Do We Need More "Beef" In The FGC?

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Күн бұрын

IS IT "SOFT" TO WANT TO WELCOME MORE PEOPLE INTO THE FGC?
The topic of wanting more FGC beef came up on Social Media, saying it was better in the "old days" and that the FGC has gotten too soft these days. But is that really true? Is the FGC soft? Was what happened in the past really the glory days? Or was it... like... not cool at all? James talks about it from his viewpoint!
== TIME STAMPS ==
0:00:00 Intro
0:01:38 Is The FGC Too Soft Now?
0:05:05 We Already Have Heels
0:08:23 Legit Good Rivalries
0:11:07 Caring About People's Well-Being
0:15:27 Fighting Games Are Emotional
0:18:05 The Scope Has Changed
0:26:45 It Is Different Nowadays
0:29:51 Do We Want More Heels?
0:33:00 Stop Glorifying OG "Beef"
0:37:50 "I Survived The OG FGC"
0:40:28 We Want People To Enjoy Fighting Games!
0:42:56 Closing Thoughts
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@uberculex Ай бұрын

I've always hated this argument. The problem with heels is real people get caught in the crossfire who just want to play the game.

@AngrySonMetaphist Ай бұрын

What crossfire? How does a beef prevent anyone else from doing their things?

@uberculex Ай бұрын

@@AngrySonMetaphist When people start beef, it's not a sign that both parties are in a healthy place and no one else will be affected. Actual real beef does not stay only between two people.

@MOONWOLF7395 Ай бұрын

We need sportsmanship, not beef.

@thepuppetmaster9284 Ай бұрын

Answering the title: NO, i'm personally don't need more 'beef' right now. I mean, rivalry is cool and all but there's no need to get more personal over a video games. 20 years ago it's funny to see grown up man like *Viscant* and *LTG* trash talked to each other to the point they almost throw hands. But what's the point of that if they don't show high level play? Heck, even Viscant himself doesn't want people to remind him of that timeline again. So I personally prefer the FGC put more effort on labbing and give us high level play over some beef and drama. Beside, we want more people to join FGC and plays fighting games. But how on earth we can achieved that if we wants more beef and drama which only draw away people from FGC and fighting games.

@hugejackedman3447 Ай бұрын

I prefer chicken and pork but what do I know? Seriously, the issue with "FGC beef" is that it's too convenient a way for people to disguise their bad attitudes. Some people are arrogant, narcissistic, both or worse and have over inflated egos. There is a difference between friendly rivalries and actual animosity, both of which can be called a beef depending on context. Friendly rivalries are fine but when people actually get too serious over a loss or the thing I hate most is when people berate someone for the way they play, that stuff needs to end. So what if dude is spamming shots all day! You can either find a solution since you are sooooo good at the game anyway, or you need to try a different activity that isn't so bad for your mental like violin or weightlifting.

@mikejonesnoreally Күн бұрын

YOU, quite obviously, have never heard *some* people play the violin! o.o

@hugejackedman3447 Күн бұрын

@@mikejonesnoreally Not so obviously, I was being sarcastic! lol But I have not only heard many, I used to play back in school some decades ago.

@azizkash286 Ай бұрын

beef is childish. Just play the game and enjoy it idk why people want to stir up controversies. Also beef in the FGC is the easiest ways for good players to get banned because of some verbal altercations on social media.

@666slateran666 Ай бұрын

You aren't BBLdrizzy pilled

@AceBadguy Ай бұрын

Getting news on Twitter and reporting it out is toxic. I'd rather talk about and hear more about positivity than childish arguments on Twitter.

@MG_Gambino Ай бұрын

I get where people are coming from with "beef" but when I hear and think of beef, I automatically go straight to rap & hood mentality. That's a me thing, don't harp on it too much lol. Here in the FGC, I don't think beef is needed. I think we're done with the days of K-Brad vs Wolfkrone. They legit didn't like each other. And as long as people keep complaining about Punk, we'll never go back to those days. I also think the FGC is relatively young these days, or rather modern FGC is young. Most of your old heads are still playing the game they hold dear. Sure you have some that try out these newer games, but not many of the old heads are really sticking with them. Grudge matches are always going to happen. Be it on or off camera. Money matches and dream match scenarios on the other hand need to come back. We're too tournament focused imo. That's a topic for another day. I don't think the FGC is soft. I just think the FGC is young. Ain't Paladin 16? You don't need beef when kids are involved anyway. If you're trying to get back to grassroots, let Punk be Punk and stop whining. You want him to stop talkin shit, beat him. 😅

@ForestTekkenVideos Ай бұрын

Just wanted to chime in on your flight delays going to Dallas. The amount of plane crashes around the world in developing countries is much higher than in developed countries because of those delays. No joke those delays probably saved your life that weekend. Really enjoying your podcasts! I just watch them on twitch. 👍

@spookydonkey42 Ай бұрын

40:20 perfectly said in 30 seconds

@jpVari Ай бұрын

'people are so soft now. In my day, Iif you insulted someone once they never forgot about it and you had to have a beef set to settle the issue' sounds backwards to me. Idk, maybe because this isn't anywhere in my history to make my nostalgic but I see nothing good in any of this personally.

@blueorange31 Ай бұрын

16:58 is such a hilarious story lol.

@barkon34 14 күн бұрын

I do miss the wild shit talk from back in the day, but at the same time, most of the people in the FGC in the MVC2 days we teenagers and college students. Now we've all grown up, and we are mentoring the new folks coming in so i get why its not as imature as it was back then. But man i do miss when you could have an entire room full of people singing "somebody's getting fucked" to one guy that is playing because he comes from a rival area.

@UltraChenTV 12 күн бұрын

The CORN classic. LOLOL! That song was so good. Haha!

@watchmesquatch 10 күн бұрын

Sounds dumb and toxic.

@hugejackedman3447 Күн бұрын

@@watchmesquatch Sounds like any other sport with rival fans talking trash to the oter team. It wasn't dumb and toxic for us back then because unlike today the majority of us knew how to take it on the chin and give one back. Some people didn't get along that way but most did. Today's gen is the total opposite. Most crack and fold because they seek the opinions and feelings of others for personal validation. That's why anything "negative" is called "toxic" nowadays whereas back in our time it was "don't take that shit personally".

@eliholland1365 Ай бұрын

Kbbq pork belly is so good. Bulgogi is good, but getting that pork belly super crispy.... As part as the beef/soft part, they are two sides of the same coin. You can't have beef without people being soft. If you go to the channel Secret Base and watch the Beef History episodes on Shaq, for example, the reason why he beefs with everyone is that he is so soft that he takes any slight at him as the ultimate disrespect and carries that grudge with him forever. Thin-skinned pitchers that don't like their opponent's celebration if they hit a homer will throw a 90 mph projectile at them for 'showing them up' and 'disrepcting the unwritten rules of the game.' That is being soft 💯. Rivalries are great, relationships are great. Mena and AngryBird are so good because they are friends, and that friendship and rspect was borne out of the other person standing in their way. That is a amazing, it drives their play to new heights, which is what we want to see. Internet toxicity, sneak disses... that is petty stuff that children do.

@malcovich_games Ай бұрын

I think we need more events in general. It doesn't have to be beef. It can just be two high profile players doing a money match. With charity on the side.

@Demon_Curse Ай бұрын

Speaking of holding people accountable, when is James Butler going to he held accountable for his crimes against women.

@akasajian Ай бұрын

Around when did companies first start interacting with the community, and did people go insane?

@hugejackedman3447 Күн бұрын

First, yes people have gone insane. Social media has screwed up almost *EVERYTHING* today. Companies have been interacting with the commnity for a very long time. It's just today its more open due to having such large platforms. Decades ago there were books that had the phone numbers and mailing addresses of various game companies in the US or their US offices and you could actually write to them and sometimes get a response. Nintendo specifically did this through "Nintendo Power" as well as their 800 hotline.

@hugejackedman3447 Күн бұрын

"Social media made y'all way too comfortable with disrespecting people and not getting punched in the face for it" ~Prof. Michael Gerard Tyson circa 2021

@adamhart2020 Ай бұрын

What they want is drama not beef! I agree with some of the comment that say we are more civilized now compare to them, we are not monkeys who get excited every time some pro players bickering over just a video game! If you want some drama just go watch Kim Kardashian show, stop normalizing beef for your entertainment!

@sillyskeleton Ай бұрын

I always found FGC beef to be immature and embarrassing. Settle your differences in the game, then shake hands and move on. You can have good rivalries without all the name calling, posturing, Twitter wars and controversy.

@LostMystics Ай бұрын

goated thumbnail 🤣🤣🤣🤣

@danv233 Ай бұрын

Do we need beef in the fgc? Grow up smh

@killahteck402 Ай бұрын

It’s all fun and games until it ain’t you know what I mean

@cptncutleg Ай бұрын

I like when people hate on eachother, when they actually have fundamental disagreements, but settle it in-game.

@watchmesquatch 10 күн бұрын

Yikes. Bro said he likes hate. Gross.

@Athrex84 Ай бұрын

I miss East v west. And regional team events.

@_MGPz Ай бұрын

Is this just an USA thing or there has been that much beef in the past in the Japanese and USA community?

@hugejackedman3447 Ай бұрын

Also really "What's beef??? Beef is when you need two gats to go to sleep. Beef is when your moms ain't safe up in the streets. Beef is when I see you, guaranteed to be in ICU"

@blueorange31 Ай бұрын

Clackwerk

@chimpmasterflex Ай бұрын

This is usually kind of a thin line, because we don't need stuff faked, but I do think a little "beef" or even just rivalries are needed. I follow games a lot less atm besides sf6, but there just doesn't seem to be many if at all. I was someone who didn't like mena at all in sf5 (from what I had seen), but he's also shown to have grown so much, but there is that added layer too of "backing it up" so well that you just have to respect it. The fchamp KBR thing was overboard, but him vs infrit was significantly more "acceptable", because champ didn't make such a scene over it, just played, beat ass, then called him a scrub lol. SF4 didn't really have "thuggery", but it felt like there was rivalries all over the place. Most notably, ones like Daigo vs infiltration, pr rog infiltration (even though they didn't fight thaaaat much), snake eyez xian, fuudo bonchan, and maybe earlier in the game's life Justin and fuudo. Even if some definitely mattered more than others, it was just that slight elevation of "drama" that made the matches more interesting. Also when people actually popped off, it was usually pretty chill all things considered lol, and never really felt fake or put on, because you could just tell how much it meant to the players to win their stressful match. A lot of hands in the face kind of stuff, fist pumps, or I think of tokido's rare popoff when he beat fuudo at canada cup. Comparatively, I think of mvc2 days, and a lot of those had people screaming and roasting each other nonstop. I often thing of that one of Justin winning then getting on the mic and saying "any amount of money I'll body you"(I think he cussed him out too) or that megaman steve vs fantatiq one where they get all up in each others faces. Oh and can't forget, was it noel brown? who lunged at a guy and punched him? Early in mvc3's life I believe. We don't need that side. And hell, even from what I've seen from strive, it is suuuuuper respectful stuff when people play. Hugs and all that, in interviews people are just bigging each other up instead of themselves. Even that kind of thing increases interest in a set. Its like those wrestling feuds where people are "fighting" just to see who the better person is, and leaving it at that. Kind of cool in a way.

@ardidsonriente2223 Ай бұрын

Modern people IS really soft. Missing beef IS really stupid.

@HalcyonEX Ай бұрын

We need more beef just to have some fun man beef sets are so hype but everyone too sensitive and get butthurt these days

@Umahn Ай бұрын

I like real rivalries. I don't want people to get "hurt" or cars ruined from sugar. However I am 100% sick and tired of all of this "hugging" each other crap that just makes me sick and tired of it. I don't mind if you shake hands afterwards or don't even, however it's gotten way too soft and I despise the fact that players can't be themselves and are restrained. I feel that we have a potential goldmine with fighting games because this could be UFC like (not saying that it needs to get to that level of intensity) or boxing like with personalities, with characters, with different people. However we're all conditioned to now be like "Daigos" or whatever. What I want is more naturalness to the game, which was way more prevalent back in the days when it didn't get full corporation. I miss the Money Matches like Sanford vs Duc, or Clockwork vs Neo...those were absolutely AMAZING matches which allowed players to be who they were, real beef, but not to the point of violence. Real feelings and emotions, and the pursuit of wanting to be absolutely #1. I loved the West Coast vs East Coast of the MvC2, those were fun, and it drove competition and the the players to heights that is hard to reach. Now a days, you look at someone wrong, and their is some hit to that player...it's like the Modern NBA. We want things like the early 90s NBA, with the Bulls vs Knicks rivalries, their are reasons why viewerships for the NBA go off in the playoffs, because players are really allowed to play. I agree that their should never EVER be violence or something that could financially cripple someone. However giving people the ability to be themselves is something that has been handicapped severely with the current rules and regulations that have now been enforced. That's why things like F.Champ vs KBR Money Match was so sweet, because it led to the Grand Finals in which KBR redeemed the loss over Champ after being mocked by him. Definitely wouldn't even be allowed today though. Things like what happened to F. Champ being blacklisted are things that I will never agree with (I know others disagree, however we lost a Top-Tier player with this), even to Infiltrations case, which was severely greyed, especially when the evidence came out. I just feel like we have a lot of untapped potential if we allow people to just be who they are, barring the violence, or "sugar."

@poepertist Ай бұрын

probably not imo

@Yunglex313 Ай бұрын

What I will say is that the moments and stories don't have as much of the energy. I was not deep in following FGC goings on back in the MvC3 days as I was just a Blazblue guy, but I remember seeing a video of the Filipino Champ v KaneBlueRiver feud because someone cared enough about it to document it, and it was great viewing. FChamp was being an absolute asshole yes, but KBR kept with him, and when he came out on top, FChamp shut up, and held that L. See that is what should happen and what we are usually use to getting. People may talk the craziest amount shit, but it's all settled with the sticks and not hands, not with any real threats of violence. Does it possibly push people away? Maybe, but I feel like that comes with circles of competition, and people will always have disagreements. It always comes back to handling business in the game.

@tekkenaddict1 Ай бұрын

My favourite old school FGC beef: Mike Ross vs Throwryuken

@destinationskyline07 Ай бұрын

But as a spectator, beefs are fun and pull in more numbers. I barely pay attention to sf6 because there isn't the "poverty" feel anymore

@watchmesquatch 10 күн бұрын

You need therapy

@derricks237 Ай бұрын

Money got to do with a lot of it now . I mean do you wanna have beef and lose sponsorships and lose a big bag once companies see you’re not brand friendly good bye 💰

@June-mi9th Ай бұрын

Bring back Fchamp ang Infiltration.

@vandagylon2885 Ай бұрын

Chen laughing his ass off because he knows that he's misrepresenting the argument that was presented to him intentionally.

@NotBer Ай бұрын

real beef? sure. manufactured, kayfabe bs? nah. I think we're too old for that

@JoseAntonio-qe5hy Ай бұрын

"Mental harm" is the dumbest thing iv heard , this is why the fgc is soft af cuz anything and everything is considered "Mental harm" now n days smh

@UltraChenTV Ай бұрын

You’ll often find that mental harm has the most lasting impact. You have to understand that when you attack someone personally, it may just seem like an isolated incident to a bystander, but if it’s attacking something such as gender identity, it’s NOT an isolated incident and it builds up over time. Brushing that aspect off as “soft” is exactly one of the biggest problems we have today. People are not being cared for enough psychologically. Even a lot of the physical harm we experience have harsher long-term psychological effects than lingering physical issues. So it may be the “dumbest thing” you’ve ever heard now, but I really do hope you take it into serious consideration. You can really help a loved one one of these days with a reformed outlook on this.

@JoseAntonio-qe5hy Ай бұрын

@UltraChenTV sticks and stones may break my bones but words will never hurt me... so yes thos ppl are soft , I would understand if a child got hurt by words but these are adults we talking about here , having thick skin is part of being a grown up.