Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness - MOVIE REVIEW and DISCUSSION

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[@toastermessiah]

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[@TheRockfreak25]

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[@jhman378]

When Xavier was in Wanda's mind, it wasn't the "good side" of Wanda trapped under the rubble, it was the Wanda from that universe which was taken over by 616 Wanda. Xavier was trying to get her to take back control of her own body.

[@DinerLingo]

That's what I assumed. In her mind or the astral plane (unless they're one & the same?).

[@Kylepmoore96]

Yeah that bit got me at first too, I was sitting there thinking oh yeah this is good Wanda and scarlet witch has taken over but I think worth so much going on I genuinely forgot that she had taken over other universe wandas body for a second and realised what was happened after a quick internal process

[@Kylepmoore96]

@Jiomancy it is now, have you seen multiverse of madness yet?…

[@theflamingnord]

I liked the tv that has WandaVision episode 1 playing that was sat next to the rubble

[@ClawDomination]

@Jiomancy nooo it’s explicitly stated in MoM that MCU earth is 616, retcon potentially but it’s literally said as exposition so

[@andyjigg]

Wanda was terrifying in this movie, but I also felt so sorry for her. After Westview, I felt like she had confronted her trauma, but the Dark Hold essentially robbed her of the opportunity to heal from it, and instead dragged her down to insanity. Her life is really tragic, hopefully now she can find Shamballa and be at peace.

[@dibs98]

After that last sentence, I truly hope you win this

[@Aaron_Kuroiwa]

The introduction of a multiverse that she can actively look into would also be maddening. She seemed nihilistic on top of everything else. Really lost any sense of morality. I

[@PrincesSakura]

what is shamballa?

[@HaloPrime212]

@@PrincesSakura giveaway code word

[@Icybubba]

I highly doubt Wanda is dead

[@theflamingnord]

I loved that Wanda used the mirror dimension against Dr Strange and Wong and then when she crawled out of the Gong was just terrifying

[@chrisysk91]

Def fav scene from the movie The horror essence was great with Wanda's scenes.

[@angienoexiste]

fr, love the dark vibes of this movie + the cinematography was stunning

[@thebwoods15]

Imagine if Moon Knight was there. He's looking in a puddle of water talking to his other personality, then boom, Wanda comes out and grabs him.

[@davescrams]

Charlize Theron is playing Clea, the Sorcerer Supreme of the Dark Dimension. In comics, she is Strange's apprentice and eventual wife. She's also the current Sorcerer Supreme of Earth after Strange's death.

[@gregstephens]

Yeah, it’s a slightly deeper cut than we’ve had in other MCU entries, but totally spot-on for Doctor Strange. Very surprised to see Charlize in the MCU now, but I’m not furious about it.

[@Phanthief95]

I always thought that if they were to ever introduce Clea that she would be an alternate version of Christine who became a sorceror.

[@hbq3000]

Isn't she also the niece of Dormammu?

[@OroborusFMA]

@@hbq3000 Yep.

[@sugadaddy7050]

How did Dr. Strange die?

[@HS-mn6jc]

One of my favorite parts about this movie were all the different creative directions and decisions they went in/made. The fight scene where Strange fights Strange using LITERAL MUSIC NOTES was one of the coolest and most fun fight scenes I’ve ever seen in a Marvel film. I really hope with future sorcerer-focused films they do more creative combat like that rather than the typical energy shields and energy beams that we normally get. Also, Shamballa!

[@moxyblackfiddler]

I heard the initial motif to the Bach Toccata I'm d minor

[@alexanderthegreat5649]

Dude I've watched it twice and both times was just surprised and in awe of the creativity of that fight. I never seen anything like it before.

[@wytheli]

That music fight ... soooo effing cool!!!!!!

[@rahulahl]

I found that scene to be kinda bad. Both me and my sister were watching that scene and wanted to laugh because all we could remember was kung fu hustle. It was a serious scene but the audio just made us laugh. And if a serious scene makes you laugh, it’s a poor scene. Other people I know disliked the scene as well.

[@leonelmendoza871]

@@rahulahl I dislike that scene so much not because of the music notes but because was directed in such a weird way, the unnecessary slow motion by example

[@mike2257]

It really surprised me how unforgiving and ruthless they made Wanda, a former hero. It wasn't a "she's actually not that bad, shes still good". Instead, they went out of their way to make her perhaps one of the most tortured yet terrifying characters in the MCU to date. She really needed to meditate and find some inner peace through Shamballa.

[@biocapsule7311]

The Darkhold is dangerous for a reason. The book use to have it's own comic series where people just track down pages of the book because just the pages alone was enough to cause trouble.

[@ElOroDelTigre]

I liked the part when Strange asks "You guys charted in the 60's?", in reference to a 60's band named The Fantastic Four, which reached #6 in the Billboard chart in 1967. A few years later another good band named "Three dog night" would also get into the top ten of the Billboard chart, with a song named "Mama told me (not to come)", but I personally prefer another one of their songs, that goes like this: Wash away my troubles, wash away my pain with the rain in Shamballa. Wash away my sorrow, wash away my shame with the rain in Shamballa.

[@ctcheeserexplores7443]

I noticed that too! I think it’s really neat because in the first dr strange it was shown that he knew a lot about music (the scene where he was doing surgery and guessing release dates), and I found it really cool that that small detail continues playing into his character. Clever writing.

[@JeremiahNotABullfrog]

You want some wine my friend?

[@davidjones272]

It wasn't a beatles joke then?

[@johnclifford8233]

@@davidjones272 I'm pretty sure it was a Beatles joke

[@Frank_Ditch]

@@johnclifford8233 i don’t think it was. i think it was a literal reference to the group called fantastic 4. bruce banner however did make a beatles joke in infinity war when tony tells him the avengers broke up

[@benjw84]

I loved the fight scene between Dr strange and Dr strange, using visual musical notes as weapons and hearing the note as they hit him was just epic and perfect

[@Kai_ay_ay]

I think the idea was cool but it just fell short

[@BhBc8f8]

@@Kai_ay_ay I think what you meant was it wasn't a 10 but a respectable 7. Falling short is like a 2 or 3 which is no doubt a ridiculous thing to say in this movie

[@ohctascooby2]

Strange spoke of dream walkers living in their variant’s minds. Its possible Mysterio got the 616 reference in a dream through his variant in the Illuminati’s universe.

[@akaJXG]

I think they did really well at reinforcing the “witch” in Wanda’s Scarlet Witch. A lot of good horror moments. My favorite being when she whispered “shamballa” in that magicians ear to make him run away.

[@rowenjohnson]

I loved when Mordo said “you are lying about your basketball skills Strange, you are a sham balla”

[@MontgomeryWenis]

If only Mordo hadn't taken Pangborn's sorcery. He could teach Strange a thing or two.

[@ukpaceuk]

I hope you win

[@andremotivation6561]

I wish they'd give Mordo better, he's one Stranger's greatest enemies and I feel he's been pushed to the side..I doubt he'll be an important factor in the 3rd film seeing how this one ended

[@stevenmark4407]

@@andremotivation6561 nah he has to be the Mordo from the first hasn’t been shown again. He must appear in the third.

[@tonyabrookes9931]

Lol, well played

[@ohctascooby2]

I would assume the Darkhold has spells that don’t care about the safety and destruction of others whereas the Book of Ashanti has spells that likely do not cause pain to the innocent.

[@KurayamiNeko1026]

I personally didn’t think Wanda was gonna go evil after WandaVision, but damn if Elizabeth Olsen didn’t do a fantastic job playing a both the innocent vulnerable mom of 838 and our absolutely terrifying villain. With the things her powers are capable of she is SCARY.

[@Entxq_]

Do you mean 838 and not 383?😭

[@KurayamiNeko1026]

@@Entxq_ ye...s, thanks for the correction

[@epiphron01]

Her line at the end of Wandavision, "thanks for choosing me to be your mom", makes more sense now since the kids that she tried to take didn't choose her. Shamballa!

[@MDMD-pm9jr]

I really liked the consistency of the Darkhold from Agents of Shield to this. I was worried when it popped up in Wandavison that it was going to be completely different, however it still hinges on corrupting the reader. Seeing it corrupt in Shield, and then the corrupting being the crux of this film was very pleasing. :)

[@antwan9152]

I really loved Wanda as a villain in this movie. It was great to see how easily she was able to beat the illuminati. It shows how powerful she truly is. Maybe she could even beat Shamballa.

[@AGHally]

Anson Mount returning as BB was the highlight of the movie for me - and in comic accurate costume too. The "I'm sorry" scene gave me shivers, so close to how he killed Cyclops in Xmen vs. Inhumans.

[@nugking2021]

I was thinking a few people could be mad Xavier didn’t win the mind battle against Wanda but he knew the real Wanda in there was innocent so didn’t want to kill her, otherwise he could of probably turned her into a vegetable within a second

[@TheFiddler69]

She had the power of the Darkhold so it still kind of makes sense to overpower him

[@nugking2021]

@Azrael’s Shadow furiously you say?

[@Eleglas]

@@nugking2021 To shreds you say?

[@darelsmith6603]

@@TheFiddler69 the darkhold doesn’t amplify your power lol

[@myself_yuvraj]

Dr Strange being my favorite character this movie had everything I wanted with some extra surprises and full on Sam Raimi extravaganza. Avoiding spoilers for this movie paid off, I read somewhere in the Book of Vishanti that changing your wifi password to Shamballa casts a simple but quite unbreakable spell that repels all the possible movie spoilers.

[@Anu32148]

Dr strange is my fav character as well and so excited for his next adventure with clea

[@samanthamaclean1430]

Me too Doctor Strange definitely my favorite and I was so excited to see his wife Clea at the end I can’t wait to see them together in the next movie

[@Xionize]

Shamballa! The moment when Wanda started Dreamwalking and then stared at the audience for a few seconds was incredible. Love 4th wall breaking in horror moments, Raimi influence shined through and I loved it! 8-8.5 out of 10 for me.

[@pranjoshi]

Yo you rate movies the same way I do🤣 I can't seem to give a definitive grade. It's always a range of score for me too!

[@kalebjernigan]

Wanda is my favorite character in the MCU, and I think she was incredible in this movie! I think her villainous nature was definitely more of the Darkhold’s corruption because I think she genuinely felt sorry for the pain she caused in Wandavision. I hope she’s not dead, but I would understand if we don’t see her again.

[@Sozscimitar]

Definitely will see her again! Some rocks can’t beat our Wanda. And also there’s still the whole white Vision storyline to be wrapped

[@AscendedXSaiyan]

@@Sozscimitar Some rocks can't kill Captain Marvel either

[@nickmacias00]

@@AscendedXSaiyan maybe not our captain marvel but there’s no telling how weak the captain marvel from another universe is.

[@AscendedXSaiyan]

@@nickmacias00 It's a variant though so she would've been just as strong. Variants of Wanda were

[@nickmacias00]

@@AscendedXSaiyan Wanda Is a nexus being that the dark hold speaks of in every universe, captain marvel is not, with infinite possibility you’re going to run into weaker and stronger versions of the same character, ultron with the mind stone was able to instantly kill thanos who had the other 5 stones, it’s just one of the many possibilities that could happen.

[@EdgarDiaz-pt4qx]

Just wanted to say that the reason Doctor Strange stops when Wanda is chasing them is so he can break the river down on her to buy time. If you recall, when they are making their way down he asks Christine, “Where does this tunnel lead?” And she says “under the river”

[@jneumy566]

Doctor Strange is definitely the biggest threat to reality. One version of him has already destroyed one universe in What If, other versions of him have destroyed two or three others, and then our Strange almost destroyed ours.

[@CaptainKaz44]

I loved the movie, Sam Raimi brought a different flavor to the MCU that I personally feel was a bit needed at this point. The ending was a tad clunky for me, but the rest was an absolute blast. A lot of creative scenes, horror elements were fantastic, all the characters are awesome. I’ll be seeing it again tomorrow.

[@maverickproductions3818]

Loved this movie. I love the intensity, horror themes, and just everything. I do think that our Wanda (Scarlet Witch) at the end of WandaVision had truly found a place of SHAMBALLA, as she had felt extreme remorse for the actions that she accidentally committed, and did not want to hurt anyone, but only help people. She is truly a superhero and good person at heart. I wasn’t expecting it, but they jumped so quick into how corrupted the Darkhold really made her. It makes sense though. Even her suit was completely different than the new suit at the end of WandaVision. While Wanda was making the decisions, the Darkhold obviously had a massive influence on every action she did in this movie, up until she destroyed all of the Darkholds and sacrificed herself. I think if/when we see her again, she should be that same kind, remorseful hero we all know and love.

[@Sozscimitar]

Will definitely see her again, not only that some rocks can’t possibly kill Wanda, but we also haven’t finished her story with white Vision, who is roaming free somewhere

[@BigBlockChoc1]

Lol U definitely not winning the series x

[@TALONOFRAZGRIZ]

One other thing was I found it interesting how Wanda's arc in this movie was remarkably similar to Doc Ock in Spider-Man 2, since both movies where Sam Raimi. Both former "good guys" that get corrupted by an evil thing after losing someone they love, and they both end with realizing their villainy and crushing four pillars holding something above them to stop the bad evil from continuing and doing the whole "I will not die a monster" thing. [as Dock Ock says in Spider-Man 2.]

[@dannyversluis078]

Wanda being a villain and the introduction of Incursions where my favorite parts. It really looks like the MCU is going towards a "Secret Wars" and I'm thrilled to see if they can pull that off! Thanks for the cool video's. SHAMBALLA!

[@thesalmondean]

Wanda is my favorite MCU character, and I really loved this movie, but I also think it is very f'ed up that Wanda, a woman repeatedly traumatized her whole life by endless death and loss, was villainized in this way, with no true redemption (that end and what she did was not a redemption). I chose to believe we will see her again because I cannot fathom the MCU leaving her character like this. She needs real closure, and also there's Vision flying around somewhere. I have to think whenever Vision returns, as will Wanda. Maybe to Shamballa.

[@Anu32148]

Yeah, also I feel that vision not being in this movie is becoz of that, viz always knew the right things to say to Wanda, if he were in the movie then wanda wouldnt go as far as she did and the movie would be a different story

[@amandas2639]

Yeah, I don't think there's any way they'll let this be her last appearance. She's basically got god-like powers by now, so burying herself under some stone isn't going to take her out. I'm not sure how they're going to redeem her at this point, though. Yes, they can say the Darkhold corrupted her, and it did, but Wanda's whole thing is that she makes terrible choices that hurt other people, and while hurting them isn't her primary objective, it's a byproduct she sees as being acceptable if it means she gets what she wants. She had hints of that throughout Wandavision before finally being confronted with it head-on and ultimately choosing to do the right thing by releasing Westview, but then she still turned to the Darkhold anyway. Maybe this will finally be the wakeup call she needs to learn how to live and cope with her trauma in healthier ways, I don't know. By the same token, though, if *I'd* lived her life and then realized I could warp reality to be whatever I wanted, I'm not sure I'd do a whole lot differently. I mean, preferably with a lot less murder, but just saying.

[@RitinhaGE]

The actress recently signed a nee 7 movie deal with marvel… we’ll be seeing loads more of Wanda

[@nickmacias00]

You should know by now that a death off screen isn’t a real death

[@xenfast130]

I love how they just kind of brush off the whole Mordo subplot from the first Doctor Strange by implying he's already tried to come after Strange numerous times off screen. It's nice that they can recognize when a storyline they setup is weak and don't feel the need to actually follow through with it for the sake of it. Though, I wonder what's up with our Mordo now? Probably screwing around in Shamballa.

[@JHolland]

I questioned this too , I dunno where he is

[@TylerCharlesFisher]

Until I'm told otherwise, my headcanon is that he was so busy thinking about plan no.47 to kill Doctor Strange, that he didn't look where he was going and tripped down the stairs, nearly dying in the process. It was at this point he decided that maybe it was time to rethink his life.

[@marcw6875]

That poor basketball playing guy lost the use of his legs for nothing. lol

[@ay_azulita]

I think my favorite thing about this film is how it showed that it is possible for the MCU to assume a darker tone and still keep the things that make this movies great. I’m really excited for the future of the franchise. Also, Shamballa

[@mickeymouse7726]

I'm so happy to see Anson Mount as Black Bolt in the comic accurate show

[@TrueKoalaKnight]

The darkhold has an especially strong corrupting effect on her because she is the scarlet witch. Wanda's power comes from Cthon and the darkhold's purpose is to corrupt Wanda so Cthon can posses her.

[@Serryy]

Still not canon in the MCU

[@EM-fl5od]

@@Serryy Wong literally says “Chthon” and they show the statue of him in the Darque Hold right next to the giant statue of Scarlet Witch and Demiurge.. it’s definitely canon lmao

[@Serryy]

@@EM-fl5od Namedrop doesn't make anything more canon than Cthon existing. They love to reference comic book stuff as Easter eggs.

[@EM-fl5od]

@@Serryy sooo the MCU being changed from 199999 to 616 isn’t canon?? it’s just an easter egg name drop.. k

[@EM-fl5od]

@@Serryy practically all of MoM was dedicated to Wanda’s lore.. Wundagore Mountain, The Darque Hold, The Darkhold, The Scarlet Witch statue, Billy’s statue right beside her bc he’s destined to become more powerful than her- like???

[@embrown1442000]

Zombie Strange with the Cloak of the Damned! My favorite moment hands down. That was so pure horror that I freaked out! Also, when Wanda was moving through the corridos with the dim red light and red eyes, I was reminded of Zombie Wanda from What If. I even said out loud, "Baba Yaga!" 😄

[@mr.stuffdoer8483]

That wasn’t horror, more dark fantasy.

[@HaleysTusk]

I still haven't watched Wandavision, but being frequently on KZbin by digital osmosis, I knew enough that I understood the context of her motivation (plus I collected all x titles in the 80's-90's) I think a non comic book reader might feel overwhelmed trying to keep up w/ this shamballa

[@HaleysTusk]

If you need to ask, I didn't get Disney+ until Hawkeye, and I already knew the basics about all the previous Marvel series and haven't had any motivation to watch them, not even loki.

[@imgonnaputsomedirtinyourey6028]

@@HaleysTusk what does HBO max have to do with anything?

[@HaleysTusk]

@@imgonnaputsomedirtinyourey6028 Ooops I meant Disney plus, too many streaming networks to keep up w/ :P

[@Mitaka-Asa]

Quiet the opposite. They were bored. If you hit somebody with one info at a time, they will engage to understand it. Hit them too much and they will feel numb. I liked it but my friend and some non-comic book KZbinrs didn't care

[@Serryy]

@@Mitaka-Asa Watched it yesterday with a friend and she enjoyed it and understood everything despite only having watched Infinity War/Endgame and the first Doc Strange movie.

[@milesbenson7296]

that fight between mordo and strange with the handcuffs made from the sands of shamballa was really interesting to see how stranges skill set of hand to hand combat had developed since he was just a usual man who was a surgeon as his day job.

[@Ndizzle28]

It’s fascinating because I feel like her being the scarlet witch depends on if she has her kids. She said every other universe she has her kids, so I would assume the children are the make or break point regardless of her origin

[@joshuagiehll3737]

Well she says that every other one has kids but that's impossible from and infinite perspective.

[@Ndizzle28]

@@joshuagiehll3737 fair, but I think it’s similar to America Chavez. America is the only version of herself across everything, so I feel like it wouldn’t be bad to assume there’s only one Scarlet Witch among the infinite Wanda’s. Like a Rickest Rick type of deal lol

[@JorgeGarcia-ch1hn]

I really love how this movie felt like a comic brought to life, it made it really enjoyable even if there were some flaws. Shamballa!!!!!

[@adamabuh]

Wanda offing all of the Illuminati was easily my favorite scene. Really showcased how powerful the Scarlet Witch is. Shamballa!

[@puddingbreak3199]

Watching Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness in the cinema alone to get off my mind lately, what really strikes my heart and burst my tears out is when Dr. Strange says "I love you in every universe." to Christine knowing that in What if Ep. 4 he did everything he could just to be with her but he just can't. Hoping that Dr. Strange and me find our Shamballa at least one in the multiverse and it's all good for me. :)

[@Jack20165]

it was a beautiful moment, at least at the end when Clea appreared we know the'll end up togheter

[@KillerChickn]

This movie was so brutal and gorey as compared to other MCU films and I freaking loved it. There's actually adults complaining how brutal and bloody it was on social media, bunch of wimps lmao.

[@FunClockwork]

You should watch the boys if you haven't seen it lol

[@KillerChickn]

@@FunClockwork I have, can't wait for s3. Also Invincible.

[@FunClockwork]

@@KillerChickn nice 😎 definitely felt a taste of that from this movie

[@noamasaf2668]

Rathfor season 3 you mean

[@KillerChickn]

@@noamasaf2668 Yee. Thnx, typo.

[@Mads97415]

I definitely agree more with Aaron than Eric when it comes to Wanda in WandaVision and this. I feel like Eric didn’t take into account the power of the Darkhold when it came to her as much. I mean, I don’t think it’s too surprising she started reading it considering she was alone and apparently this book talks about what “she is” and just grabbed her and took advantage of her trauma. Also bummed to hear that this movie soured her toward him and that he hopes she stays dead… But anyway, fun spoiler review!

[@BhBc8f8]

Would you rather she be in prison, can any prison even hold her? I don't want her dead either but what's the alternative. She had to pay for her crimes somehow

[@peterlewis2178]

To be fair, the movie didn't take into account the power of the Darkhold when it came to her. That's my biggest problem. They do absolutely nothing to show that Wanda doesn't still have near complete agency, which makes it a complete 180 on her character. If they had shown the Darkhold corrupting and controlling her, it would have made sense. Instead they just showed her as an extreme villain (that doesn't even care about Vision? What's the deal with that?) willing to kill anyone, something she has never before shown in the slightest. She's never even really knowingly and willingly harmed people. Every time she's realized that she was, she stopped and felt incredibly guilty. But you don't just murder dozens of people without realizing that that's what you're doing. I just wish they had made a twist that it was a Wanda from another universe taking control of our Wanda. That would have made it infinitely better.

[@jimmyking511]

One of my favorite scenes in any MCU film happened in this movie with the musical notes fight scene. The creativity on the display and the music interwoven was amazing. Maybe Stephen can hope through the mutliverse again and come across the kingdom that is the reason behind the wi-fi password: Shamballa

[@ser132]

that was one of my favourites, as well. Probably the musician/music nerd in me, but it was just so creative, and brilliant.

[@glarntt]

I think as a comic reader I looooooved Wanda's progression into madness because I knew the Darkhold would send her into a spiral. I think people who were disappointed let themselves get too hyped about the cameos and/or thought that they were gonna get the same Wanda from WandaVision. This is EXACTLY the progression I wanted to see for Wanda and Benedict and Xochitl were amazing in their roles too. This is just the beginning of Wanda's expansive role in this multiverse. Can't wait for her to return.

[@peterlewis2178]

I was upset because it made absolutely no sense. They did absolutely nothing to show that Wanda doesn't still have near complete agency, which makes it a complete 180 on her character. If they had actually shown the Darkhold corrupting and controlling her, and that progression, it would have made sense. I could have stomached that a little bit more, even if I think it's a bit problematic as a message. But instead they just showed her as an extreme villain (that doesn't even care about Vision? What's the deal with that?) willing to kill anyone, something she has never before shown in the slightest. She's never even really knowingly and willingly harmed people. Every time she's realized that she was hurting people, she stopped and felt incredibly guilty. But you don't just murder dozens of people without realizing that that's what you're doing. I get that something like this happened in the comics. But these aren't the comics. You can't apply backstory and concepts from the comics directly to the MCU, because there are a lot of differences. And the way they portrayed her in this movie basically ignored and destroyed almost everything about her character from WandaVision and the previous MCU movies, withiout giving a logical reason as to how she became what she is. They took one of the best characters in the MCU and ran her through a meat grinder. I just wish they had made a twist that it was a Wanda from another universe taking control of our Wanda. That would have made it infinitely better, not to mention made it much more interesting.

[@PixelGamer456]

Shamballa!! Also, I absolutely loved the movie. Definitely the darkest MCU movie to date and I thought Raimi brought just the right amount of horror. I was surprisingly not disappointed at all by the lack of an insane amount of cameos, I felt like it didn’t need any more than what it had!

[@Renkencen]

I think the biggest plothole is she couldn't find a universe where her kids alive but she dieds like died from a car crash but her kids were at school??!! That should be the ultimate goal for her than to simply replace the other Wanda with herself!

[@damienjohn]

Raimi's distinct fingerprint was all over the movie and I loved that.... I think that sense of vision/style is missing from most Marvel outings which feel relatively "safe". The film for sure had some script & pacing issues but was a fun ride overall. Would love to see Raimi's original vision before Marvel ordered all the script changes & reshoots.

[@Blitz-dm3kv]

"before Marvel ordered all the script changes & reshoots" Source?

[@MellyMelon1331]

@@Blitz-dm3kv Not sure if we know it was Marvel who ordered them or if Raimi himself decided it. But Raimi did say recently, they cut around 40 mins from the film. I'll try to find you a source later if the person you replied to doesn't

[@theretrosavage]

Needed a shower scene

[@damienjohn]

@@Blitz-dm3kv its been reported by dozens of sources since last year... but since you asked - the most recent source would be the Elizabeth Olsen & Sam Raimi interviews with Collider (by Steve Weintraub). Olsen notes she wasn't needed for the reshoots and Raimi goes into detail and says the original cut was 2hrs 40 minutes (!) and then they actually did reshoots to replace whole scenes and it ended up being more than half an hour shorter. Here's an excerpt: WEINTRAUB: I know the movie's like two hours, five minutes, two, 10, I don't know the exact thing. Did you have a much longer cut that you brought to that? I'm always curious about first cuts and that kind kind of stuff. RAIMI: Well, the first cut was I actually don't remember the length of it. It was probably like two hours and 40 minutes, and it slowly came down even though *we did the reshoots*. *We took out material even though the reshoots went in.* So, it slowly got down to about two hours and five minutes is the total.

[@marcofernando9058]

@@MellyMelon1331 it was marvel execs (like Kevin fiege) who ordered them. Apparently it was mostly things being cut and then the reshoots were to replace scenes.

[@aidanlowrance1528]

my favorite part of the movie was when wanda got into Xavier's mind and told him he would never become a shamballa, he then died and fell over in his chair in embarrassment

[@gurmeharssangha]

Amazing movie, finally saw a villain that just killed people in truly brutal ways. Wanda’s shines without the movie losing focus on Dr Strange and spending too much time with the multiverse stuff till it feels like fan service. Speaking of fan service, Illuminati were all amazing cameos although only in the movie for a short time. Good luck for the Kamar Taj rebuild, hope someone changed the WiFi password from shamballa

[@JkandEtpro]

Genuinely loved this film, as someone who can't handle horror due to panic disorder, I had a blast, it was such a good time seeing it for previews, also Shamballa!!

[@kavehteimory6413]

I see what you did there!😏

[@spetterpoepje3192]

It was not a horror movie tho it had some elements maybe

[@matthewdaniels3783]

Definitely not a horror

[@barry2349]

Personally was disappointed with this film,the dialogue was so off with this film,the script was all over the place,I feel like mcu studios stopped Sam reami from fully embracing the horror elements

[@Asteroid-Destroyer-b4h]

but on the plus side they managed to show the dark side and feel of horror that previously MCU had never done. Well even so, I still feel comfortable watching this movie

[@mazju9420]

43:40 He said he was a father to Wande just before she killed him: "Is their mother still alive" "yes" "good so they will have someone to raise them"

[@TylerCharlesFisher]

Wanda: "Are you a god?" Reed: "...No?"

[@tk-zay5073]

Bro if she was alive and Franklin finds out who killed his dad SHEESH

[@BlessMyHart96]

Eric in the theatre: She has this absolute power and she chose to abuse it” My husband and I in theatre: Yasss! Slay, Queen!!!

[@thenerdsarecoming]

Loved the Raimi aspects, and I'm happy to finally see America Chavez on the big screen. SPOILERS BELOW (if you're only here for the non-spoiler part) Had a massive smile on my face when Professor X rolled up and the animated series theme song started playing. The illuminati were cool but I feel as if Captain Marvel got KO'd a little bit too quickly for my liking. Some rubble hits her and she's dead? Rightttttt. Black Bolt's death was by far the coolest one of the movies. Wanda's kill count only grows!

[@caleboles8896]

Replying to the spoiler part Don’t want to accidentally spoil anyone That would be a shambala . . . It looked like this Marvel’s power was drained after Wanda magicd her suit off of her which is the only explanation I can think of as to why that rock would have killed her.

[@yolandapaulino5952]

Professor X and Black bolt’s death were great

[@Blitzwaffen]

@@caleboles8896 spoiler gap for kindness. Across the whole Wanda v Captain Marvel fight they have this good representation where the longer the fight goes, the more the Scarlet Witch's powers start to surround Captain Marvel. As it goes on, we see less power from Captainarvel and then as the suit is ripped up FF and she's thrown through the statue, we see he actually dazed catch her breath. A hint that she is exhausted and in that moment her power hasn't been called up or as active as it was earlier, leaving her vulnerable.

[@Benji568]

Reed Richards' death was the most unpleasant one for me. It's ingrained in my brain now, it's pretty horrific, that blood curdling scream he makes before his head blew up made it tough to watch. It was like a fatality from Mortal Kombat, I mean if Netherealm ever did a Marvel fighting game that's rated M (which will be unlikely) they could do have that exact same fatality for Scarlet Witch on Reed Richards as fan service. I mean she just tore him apart like he was cheese-string.

[@aspensastrology7964]

The way a I totally love this movie. The whole time I was looking at Wanda being the scarlet witch and realized she would never find Shamballa. I completely lost it with the scene with she was with her kids in the house trying not to absolutely terrify them.

[@ZariDV]

Perhaps the reason that nothing got through to Wanda until she saw her kids' fear was because that was the only thing that could shatter the illusion created by the Darkhold. Like you said, Wanda saw that she was wrong for what she did by the the end of WandaVision but her grief, loneliness and trauma were not only still in her, but amplified after losing her family again. I think the Darkhold latched onto those feelings, thoughts and weaknesses in her psyche and used that as the vehicle to corrupt her. We heard in the WV end credits that the Darkhold kept playing the sounds of her children's voices to her as she read it. So maybe, the Darkhold pushed her to do anything to get to her kids while ignoring anything else but that drive couldn't keep going once she saw their fear. If the Darkhold's point of control says "My power can get you to a version of your children where you can be happy with a family again so use my power and I won't let anyone get in your way", then how can that control hold up in the face of her kids being too terrified of her to love her. It was similar to how Vision breaking out of the TV land illusion forced Wanda out of it too because she can't keep up the delusion when faced with reality of him being scared of what's happening.

[@sh1n582]

One of my favorite parts of the film was when Wanda appeared behind that one sorcerer in complete silence, it legit got me. Also that Avatar 2 trailer was actually beautiful. *insert Shamballa here*

[@ohctascooby2]

What’s interesting is that Marc Specter potentially split into 3 people when he was ‘broken’ by the trauma placed upon him. What formed was 3 minds. The ultra protector (Jake), the ultra pleaser (Steven) and the originator (Mark) to it all. When Stark’s bomb hit her home as a child she split, but did she split into 2 or 3?

[@Serryy]

Why do U think she split?

[@Jay-ph7ni]

Not all trauma leads to DID

[@NowlZeoPlus]

when Strange cast a spell and yell "SHAMBALLA" it gave me such a goosebumps, all of my hair strands stands up and feels like it wants to applaud the masterpiece of a script that Marvel never had done before. This morning I woke up abruptly because of the nightmare I had, but at the end of the dream i remember Strange is there comforting me and whispering the word that gave me instantaneous calming effect, "shamballa...", and then there I was, woken up by the comforting word to let me know that I'm okay

[@westgardracul]

I’m always glad to see Bruce Campbell. I also loved meeting Elden Strange near the end. That was cool. Bruce should be a random but steady character hunting for revenge against strange and all he ever says is “Shamballa your momma!!!” Or perhaps it’s a perfect ancient true word black bolt could use to destroy a universe.

[@fade9209]

look at this fake message omg they're everywhere on the comments with different numbers. dont fall for it

[@NobaraGoat]

The movie was really entertaining, it really felt refreshing to have something a bit different than the other movies with the editing, transitions, and style overall, also Shamballa seems pretty groovy Spoilers for the film : I was really happy to see the second post credit, and when Bruce’s hand attacked him, Evil dead is one of my favorite films

[@brit7317]

Finally watching this. Hearing them say the introduction of Clea to the Doctor Strange MCU was the worst after credits scene has me heartbroken.

[@lium9289]

Shamballa! Wanda was a perfect villain in this movie. I really hope to see more of her in the future. Good or evil is fine by me.

[@lewanbroski504]

What does Shamballa mean?

[@ramzes2624]

I can't wait for Wanda to finally say her iconic comics line "No more Shamballa"

[@aliwantizu]

Theories: They called their own universe 838 or whatever, as opposed to 1, and it seems as though they have been looking at and catergorizing universes, so they could have seen Mysterio's reference to 616 and just decided to call the MCU that number? There will be a Secret Wars storyline of sorts where characters from alternate universes face off and in the end many universes combine into one as what happened in the CW Flashpoint and in the original DC Comic's Crisis on Infinite Earths, so that is how we will get mutants, inhumans, and the FF all in the MCU and it'll seem to most people that they've always been there? That is also how we could get a different Wanda who is a mutant and not an experiment who got leveled up via the Darkhold.

[@jish55]

As a HUGE Wanda fan (been my favorite Marvel character since X-Men Evolution), I LOVED this movie. I love seeing Wanda basically be this unstoppable force that puts every other entity to shame, where even the Sorcerer supreme himself is like "We're screwed". To me, this is the Wanda we've been waiting for and I'm 1000% happy with how she is one of the few beings that's just too much for everyone to handle.

[@mr.stuffdoer8483]

I would’ve loved it if we hadn’t just seen her get better in WandaVision… if this is where they were taking her character, it wouldn’t make sense for her to free Westview after realizing she was hurting people. It makes for a huge character leap, even with the Darkhold justification.

[@jish55]

@@mr.stuffdoer8483 But she didn't get better in WandaVision, the final scene is literally her flipping through the Darkhold as the Scarlet Witch and hearing her kids voices, showing she was planning on getting them back 1 way or another. Add in that this is how Wanda is in the comics (House of M is her literally ripping multiple people from their universe and forcing them to live in her created world and everyone there having to try and hold her back from doing more damage, eventually leading to her wiping out mutant kind across the multiverse and her causing literal genocide, destroying multiple universes that were made up completely of mutants).

[@suneater.mp4]

I loved when Morbius popped out of a portal and said his catchphrase “it’s Morbin time. Shamballa!”

[@TrillGoated]

Wow no spoiler in the beginning

[@mammamiia08]

One thing really bothered me - when Christine asked Strange if his world was beautiful and he said yes. I- what?! Have you seen her universe?!? It looked like flowers and green energy everywhere? Our world is NOT beautiful compared to that! I wanted to live in that world! 🤨

[@ryanklip24]

Well she asked what his world was like and he said beautiful. I don't think they were comparing.

[@jam4nr]

Who's Michelle?

[@mammamiia08]

@@jam4nr my brain apparently didn't want to work properly, I meant Christine 😅 thanks for pointing it out!

[@mammamiia08]

@@ryanklip24 I just imagine her visiting our world and being like "... oh." 😂

[@Serryy]

Does altChristines world have a corpse of a space god in the ocean?

[@intothevoid7062]

Absolutely loved seeing Wanda again, she could do anything and I’d Stan. Btw Shamballa

[@Silver-rx1mh]

That was Clea man! Strange's great love from the dark dimension. Anybody who a long time Strange fan knows that character. lol I was delighted to finally see her.

[@TrueGamer22887]

Wanda coming in and cracking the Illuminati was awesome. This became my favorite mcu movie because raimi really embraced the fundamental silliness of comics and superheros and played it straight like he always does. He did it with the corniness of Spider-Man and killed it here. Strange went from my least favorite part of the mcu to my favorite. Also dc should give raimi green lantern. Strange was just magic green lantern in half his fights

[@marcusMakoT]

For a more comprehensive understanding of yoga styles, try Georg Feuerstein's book, Shamballa (Shambhala) Encyclopedia of Yoga.

[@maccyd3735]

Loved the Horror sequences of the movie, and loved when wanda casted the Shamballa spell at doctor strange and the crew! What a movie.

[@Jlukie]

This movie was so good. Wanda being a real villain making you scared of her but also knowing what she went through near the end of WV makes you fell sad for her. Just makes me want to learn spells and magic. Hmm, maybe I can whisper Shamballa and something will appear?

[@christopherslager4169]

I thought the movie was pretty great, and always love hearing your thoughts on it. I appreciated some of the development that Steven and Wong went through and am really looking forward to seeing where both of them go from here. Also, did you know that Shamballa is named after a mythical Buddhist kingdom? It also roughly translates to ‘a place of peace and tranquillity’

[@ThanatoselNyx]

*Stephen

[@Reymera153]

Kaecilius: "You don't know how to use that do you?" now we know how to use that Jar because of Cristine haha.

[@Waveskid07]

„SHAMBALLA what is that? Your Mantra?“ „No, its our Giveaway code. We are not savages.“

[@robertwest4843]

I have to say, Elizabeth Olsen was incredible, I loved everything about her performance! Also hearing the animated X-Men theme Was next level

[@thepinkrubberducky]

I'm happy that Anson Mount got a chance to redeem his character on a bigger screen and make Black Bolt real cool. I'd love to see him again, maybe in Shamballa.

[@BigBlockChoc1]

Lol he literally did nothing in the movie lol

[@thepinkrubberducky]

@@BigBlockChoc1 he did ALMOST nothing. He killed dr strange in a flashback.

[@tbksrk9954]

I thought this movie would be in "Shamballa" when it seemed Wanda would be the main villain of the movie, but it defintely exceeded my expectations in that regard.

[@michaelarcher1248]

I loved the fight scene with the musical notes, it's one of the most creative fights we've seen in marvel, and Dr strange really seems to be getting a lot more creative with his powers and its becoming less just flat disks Also Shamballa

[@barry2349]

I thought that fight scene was so out of place,that scene took me out of the film

[@204cr]

@@barry2349 and thas ur opinion

[@freedrick5206]

@@204cr yeah?

[@WedgeTheEagle]

I loved this movie. I watched it in IMAX 3D, and I felt that format only enhanced the movie. You only mentioned WandaVision as something to watch before this, but I think watching What If...? and Shamballa would also be a great idea.

[@shoelaceace7661]

It would be cool if Star Wars had a "Shamballa" like place where Jedi Masters and Padawans could go there to find peace and tranquility within themselves, and after watching Doctor Strange in the Mulitverse of Madness I think Stephen and Wanda should definitely go and receive a lecture from good ol Master Yoda on tranquillity and peacefully accepting yourself at Shamballa.

[@santiagod2443]

First of all, i guess, Shamballa. Second of all, I really liked this film, it has sam raimi all over it and I personally, could not be happier. I adore when the MCU can be a little different to what can be seen as their own formula. Overall enjoyed the horror aspects the most.

[@RedHeadKevin]

21:10 I'm still at a complete loss why any universe that discovers other universes doesn't designate itself as Universe #1.

[@Thief.Of.Dreams]

My mom said they almost named me Shamballa when I was born but my dad said he was just a bit gassy when the nurses asked my name. I'm eternally grateful. Sincerely, Hamballa Jr.

[@jayjoklkl]

This was a great film, always love seeing Strange on the big screen and Wanda was amazingly powerful, really building to her comic potential. The gore was a nice change and poor Black Bolt 😅 Shamballa

[@tantoro2453]

I felt like I was saying “WTF!” over and over again. Amazing movie. Also Shamballa

[@noughsmash]

There I was with Eric and my fellow waveriders as we stepped foot further into the depths of the ancient grounds. As the rest of the wave riders in the back caught up, Eric sees on a pedestal a sandwich the size of his head covered in melted cheese. He darts towards the sandwich and Waveriders try to hold him back but nothing comes between Eric and his sandwich. After devouring it instantaneously the pedestal moves down and out from it jumps a wild “SHAMBALLA” (Eric says with grit) As me and my fellow waveriders try and escape Eric holds back the beast. I turn back to save him but he yells “GO ON WITHOUT ME, AND DON’T LET ARRON TOUCH MY STUFF!” I run to the Wave Back (our team helicopter) and as we’re flying up I look down to see Eric throwing one last hit in as if he’s about to hit the button for the very last time. His fist building up with so much energy, you could feel it in your gut that this was something special. Eric’s fist came in contact with the beast and for 3 seconds I saw a smile on his face (1) an amazing explosion of energy and light (2) and then a mushroom cloud of ash and pain (3)

[@SuperDora150]

I love this review! Yes the Blackbolt part with "What mouth?" was gold. My jaw literally dropped at that moment 😂 also shamballa now i need to watch Inhumans!

[@washiewah748]

nah you can skip it, it's trash xD

[@Phanthief95]

Don’t do that to yourself.

[@johnhoban4435]

No, please….no.

[@ShizuruNakatsu]

Instead of watching it, watch the Caravan of Garbage video about it.

[@Kl-fw9rs]

Honestly, while I think the movie definitely felt like two different movies, I personally really enjoyed it overall. It took a surprisingly dark tone (for a marvel movie) and I really enjoyed visiting other dimensions, especially Shamballa!!

[@geoffreyely454]

Glad you mentioned the undead Dr Strange! My favorite part of the movie (just saw it today because I work overnights). The undead cape was shaballa-ing and the CGI of his face was jaw-dropping.

[@DrSmurrie]

I went on premier day and this movie might actually be my new Marvel favourite. I loved how the multiverse both ups certain stakes while removing others which made a lot of things feel unexpected and sometimes even brutal. And the villain was incredibly portrayed! Also, Shamballa!

[@lukehicks1447]

Loved the movie. It cracked my top 10 marvel movies. I loved Strange’s development with him reaching some sort of moral awareness at the end. I especially liked his journey with Chavez being sort of a way for him to “make up” for or personally handle his past guilt with his little sister’s death. We really saw him become human and care in this story. I was iffy going into it because I just don’t really connect with Wanda’s motivations. I thought her creating kids and not being able to have the awareness of the chaos she’s causing simply because of her creating them. I was pleasantly surprised with how they handled that though, making those kids actually real in other universes and having the darkhold have some of the reason for Wanda’s wild actions. It was good to see Wanda reach an inner SHAMBALLA by the end and make the right decision.

[@hirvale]

Let's be honest, Shamballa is a really weak password. Seems like the guys at Kamar-Taj need to update their network security systems as well as their physical ones seeing how easily Wanda dealt with all of them. No MCU villain has dealt with so many heroes easily since Thanos! That's one thing I've noticed in comic book stuff, it's that the heroes are always at their strongest when they become the villain and they require so many heroes who are normally their equal to band together and stop them.

[@Rens4166]

I loved the movie, but I have to say that for me Wanda stole the show. I prepared myself for her being the villain, but I thought that she would do a villain turn somewhere in the middle of the movie. Then came the reveal that she was the one sending the monsters, and I lost my mind. Now she is definently my favorite villains. I absolutely loved it when she went full SHAMBALLA on the Kamar Taj students🙊

[@danyaleh7973]

I initially wasn’t sure what to expect from this movie but I absolutely loved it. Definitely going back to rewatch! Also when John Krasinski showed up I was like what in the Shamballa is going on?!

[@teresaluz975]

I'm a Doctor Strange fan so this movie was made for me. I got everything I ever wanted in a Doctor Strange movie and more. Benedict Cumberbatch was amazing, I can't see anyone else play Doctor Strange, he's phenomenal. And Elizabeth Olsen's acting was god tier. I was happy the illuminati were killed, they were entitled and arrogant, their deaths were so satisfying. Stephen tried to warned them and they brushed him off, so good riddance. In the post credits, when Clea showed up I was the only one cheering. Clea was created in 1964 and she eventually marries Doctor Strange, their love story is so epic. I adored this movie so much. That symphony fight was awesome and zombie Strange was surprisingly endearing to me. Loved your review.

[@austinreisdorf3892]

When will we see all four of you reacting to this movie?

[@just_harry1638]

I really want to see this

[@scigirl451]

I recognized Charlize Theron's Clea and was very intrigued. Her comic book history with Doctor Strange is extensive and flows well from the themes of this film as they are very romantically linked on and off through time. And she *is* from the Dark Dimension, being strongly connected to Dormammu. I do think they could have put in a few extra clues for people not aware of her identity since it was pretty quick and she's not had any history in the movie/TV MCU to be easily recognized...

[@stephenasmithfanfan5971]

Comic accurate Dormammu would be epic

[@michaelortiz5042]

I'm not sure if anyone has already mentioned it in the comments, but the three-headed figure that we saw when Doctor Strange and America were traveling through the multiverse is the Living Tribunal.