Response to Adam Conover’s Tweet | Hospitals & Mammograms | Wednesday Checkup

[@VinaELee]

Not only did Doctor Mike clarify his points to avoid misunderstandings, he also teaches us how to handle criticism and teaches us the benefits of accepting criticism, etc.

[@kraven4444]

He shouldn't have to defend himself against such a person like Adam.

[@fanOmry]

@@kraven4444 Agreed. Adam is beneath him. I should be trolling saying this, and of course not being litteral. But Yeah. Dr. Mike has proven himself very often. Adam has so much politics in his videos. With Ideas that.. yeah. I have little intellect based respect for the guy. Not to mention. He's a serious Educator or Entertainer completely by what is convenient at the moment.

[@Stargazer3147]

yet Adam still managed to misunderstand some of Dr Mike's points. Or possibly simply lied about them to win the argument. I wouldn't have the patience not to simply point it out. Hell, even in the initial video Dr Mike was extra understanding of Adam's.

[@andpark1566]

​@Balto the Wolf , yep to be honest.

[@tonyoso1391]

He still messed up saying that the focus should not be on profits. He himself said administration fees are to high and to many accountants are staff. The only reason you have that is to make sure you are making profits! I love his channel but he sounded really dumb arguing that.

[@TheTrueLDS]

Damn bro I’ve got serious respect for someone who can calmly and intelligently refute an argument - especially considering Adam’s response seemed quite defensive and in my opinion slightly arrogant. You laid your points out clearly, concisely, and understandably, and still maintained the level of charisma you always have. Mad respect

[@catzbestfriend]

N3ptune - totally gonna look at this when do debates in college

[@hummingbirdcity]

Arrogant is Adam's maiden name.

[@audih0e]

honestly i think from both sides they dealt with it pretty well

[@maxw__t__6538]

I wouldn't say defensive but rather he tried answer critisism so that there is a broader understanding of how the cideo was made and what their point of view was. On top of that i think the way Adam anwered was pretty calm to as he wrote multiple tweets explaining. Lastly it may seem arrogant but thats is mostlikely because it was based on dr. mike's video ,which only gave limited explainaitions (due to it's length and way of editing) on some comments.

[@EsotericTherapy]

Adam acts like a smug little bitch.

[@Mysticmanaged]

Dude I just wanna say, I have so much respect for you. You're a genuine role model for an aspiring person interested in healthcare.

[@rachelrachel4922]

He actually increased my respect for doctors 100 times over tbh

[@Mysticmanaged]

Rachel Rachel Yeah he does wonders for the public image of healthcare. When you’re in hospitals it feels like you’re in a system and its hard to find doctors like Mike!

[@DodderingOldMan]

He's a genuine role model for anyone aspiring to be a decent human being, too.

[@chelsennn]

You kinda look like him lol

[@Mfari444]

Yes! Very inspirational!

[@wxtherplays3184]

This guy takes criticism so well. He doesn't sound defensive, yet he defends his opinions well. I think that Dr. Mike is very correct in his rebuttal, and if I was Adam, I would either apologize, or... well, at least acknowledge that his statements are correct.

[@darksungate]

He kinda did, he didn’t specifically specify this but he did do an Adam ruins himself were he did acknowledge that he makes mistakes and that he is biased

[@Gamerad360]

@@darksungate He makes a ton more mistakes then he addresses, like Christopher Columbus.

[@mihailmilev9909]

@@Gamerad360 what was the mistake?

[@publiclydeceased7630]

@@mihailmilev9909 kzbin.info/www/bejne/kHbaaZZsidKtfck&vl=en If you have time I would watch this video. It does a pretty good job digging into some of Adam's mistakes and the mistakes of others who have talked about Christopher Columbus before.

[@martinessentials162]

Tbh Doctors do need to be a little chill

[@AdmiringObserverR]

Key point: “How the average person will interpret the way the information is presented”

[@tjslam26]

Conover can't hear those words. All he hears is "disagree" and gets triggered and defensive.

[@carolinecc8888]

omg he said it right when I read this

[@yourloyalfollower6667]

Caroline Dodge MEEE TOOO

[@Canadian_Zac]

I think what you need to do is go in knowing 'It's a comedy show'. The bit in the middle has a bit of exaggerating. you really only need the beginning where he has the point and the end where he goes more in depth about it. And with that it's Mammograms aren't as good as you think. You should only use them if you have a lump you're worried about. Or when you get into your 40's and the risks are higher. The middle has a lot of facts, but nothing that's really required to know, and is mostly the entertainment part to make sure people watch and help them to remember the show.

[@themalakorein396]

@@Canadian_Zac right but what mike said is correct, if someone is already afraid of the idea of a certain procedure, and then you go on a 5 minute rant about how bad they are and everything that went wrong, they arent going to pay attention to the 30 seconds of good you say at the very end. and even if its a comedy show, presenting information out of context, even though it may be factual, can cause misleading ideas. I will use myself as an example, growing up I loved to watch history channel, and one of the episodes i watched was about Ireland, and it had to do with the IRA. At the time, due to the way the information had been provided in the episode, I though the IRA were just freedom fighters for Ireland to escape British control. They are war profiteering terrorists... nothing more. Not giving full context cant greatly change the perspective of the information.

[@B_B_Wes]

Kudos to Dr. Mike for properly handling internet beef the same way he would handle a misinformed patient. 😂

[@soratruekid]

Patronizingly?

[@copbphoenix]

@@soratruekid It's a fine line between "educating" and "patronizing". Here? I think he fell right on the line, unfortunately.

[@IngeniousIgneous]

Sar'ras Fae'lynn I would disagree? As a medical professional I’d say he has an established right(?) to his tone when speaking to a layperson I think he spoke with authority without being condescending. Furthermore, he invited and applauded reasonable public discussion 9/10 response imo Edit: when I say “established right to his tone”: He has both the medical knowledge as well as real world experience to inform his points (though admittedly less so on the topic of cost)

[@tankofnova9022]

to call this beef may be an over statement. There isn't much disagreement to be had here.

[@dw2843]

@@soratruekid How was he patronizing? I didn't pick up on that at all.

[@ruthiemorton873]

Thank you for showing a beautiful example of how disagree and debate in a respectful way.

[@jessedelaney920]

Ruthie... respectfully and sincerely, fuck you :)

[@meggylouwho]

@@jessedelaney920 I was scrolling through the comments and yours stood out, I'm curious: why did you reply so aggressively?

[@turk1766]

@@meggylouwho he was joking

[@ninaalbrechtsen3814]

Hey Dr. Mike I hope Adam understood your point about mammograms. Mammograms and screening here in Denmark has made breastcancer cases in later stages decline. But I thought that Adam could just have included the patient/girl saying “okay so mammograms are bad and I should NOT get them” then he could correct that statement and tell all the great facts about mammograms.

[@DriscolDevil]

"Doctor DESTROYS critics by being humble and honest." There you go bud, fixed that title for you.

[@DissociatedWomenIncorporated]

Dear lord, that's only a fix if you're a total drama queen. Which to be fair, apparently 90% of people who write headlines and KZbin video titles now are.

[@DriscolDevil]

@@DissociatedWomenIncorporated kzbin.info/www/bejne/h4usg2Cbj8mpfc0

[@DriscolDevil]

@@DissociatedWomenIncorporated no offense, I feel like we agree. I was making a joke about clickbait titles, that's it.

[@martingriff101]

I am so glad he does not use titles like that because when I see titles like that then I call the person who make that title a a£$%h$%e. Realises now was a joke but my point stands of what I feel about those titles

[@NJ-wb1cz]

Eh, his position is still shifty. Saying that hospital prices aren't the problem, and then saying that hospitals employ too much unneeded staff, makes little sense. Because those prices are spent enriching unneeded staff! He merely provides an explanation to Adam's point, not contradicting him in any way. And saying that hospital prices aren't the main problem while his own examples of supposedly larger problems merely create those inflated hospital prices, is either disingenuous, or simply argument for argument's sake.

[@akua.n]

Ways to solve all your problems: CHEST COMPRESSIONS CHEST COMPRESSIONS CHEST COMPRESSIONS

[@anushiyavijayan4463]

Technically chest compressions can solve your physical problems which in turn can solve your other problems so yeah

[@akua.n]

@@anushiyavijayan4463 hehe.........yeah

[@bigweld2732]

If that doesn’t get put on a shirt it’ll be a missed opportunity.

[@amandathompson6327]

I died😂😂 ( I need chest compressions)

[@tomstaunton1804]

if anyone wants to do chest compressions on my student loans that'd be great

[@chryss.3055]

I loved all your points but the thing I loved the most is that you replied to Adam so politely and truly without trying to make "KZbin drama" as many other creators do! You explained your points in the best way possible so that no one gets offended and you stated your worries about what was implied by Adam in a very positive way. Happy that you are on KZbin!!

[@danatreisch1542]

You said everything here better than I could. So, YES. It really just shows that people can still engage thoughtfully and intelligently in a debate/conversation without drama. It's refreshing.

[@Zutraxi]

It makes so clear that people/ creators can be just in it for the fame and money, because that was their motivation for starting content creation. While others set out to start creation purely to help regardless of if it will get them famous or not. I like, no I love not even that I am starting to crave Dr. Ms pure way of doing things. I am simply fed up with this defensive posture towards facts. One example is vaccines. We should focus more on teaching children that it is okay to be wrong as long as you are willing to listen to factual critique. Instead of letting this age of social media dilute their understanding of what an argument is. Your argument is not more valid because you have twenty million followers. Unless that is what you are arguing about, how it is to have so many followers. I just wish Adams response tweet was less aggressive in tone, and used less words on defending themselves and more words on looking at the critique. One thing I do think we need to touch on is how he might have come across Dr Ms initial video. Thousands of people could have started some sort of overdramatic shitstorm that forced Adam to watch the video in a negative light. Then afterwards commenting on it to defend the show from those thousands of people creating a mob. In my opinion and experience that is how can be with many of these types of responses on the internet. So I am sincerely happy, that it was handled in this calm collected way in this video.

[@marielramirez2029]

i felt shade there for some recent youtuber. ⛱⛱⛱⛱🍵🍵🍵🍵

[@daegrun]

Dr. Mike did his honest best. That’s all I could hope for.

[@juliak5251]

With the mammogram skit: I was already scared of them, and the segment did truly make me never want to get one done. So I do think the information couldve been presented in a different light

[@wintersprite]

I took it as not getting too many done (such as getting it every year when you only need one every three years). Self exams and regular breast exams are fine for in between mammograms. For me, the part I’m not looking forward to is the pain as I’m bigger on top.

[@stevenclark1662]

I am a 31 year old man who has had 2 mammograms because I have a weird lump on my Moob, and my dr. Wants to keep an eye on it. The mammogram itself is pretty easy, no pain or anything, a machine just squeezes your boob/moob for a minute, then they may do an ultrasound. Idk if thats what you are afraid of, but the procedure itself is pretty tame.

[@KatomaFoxling]

Mammograms have come a long way, they sqish the Girls, but not so much that it hurts. Not unless your girls are super tender (which is a thing for many) apparently not for me cause on a pain scale of 1-10, 10 being omg wth, I was at a .0001 on discomfort. It was like laying on my stomach level of annoyance. Then again, my girls aren't big or heavily padded....any more...sooo maybe that's another reason why they're done later in life? Less padding=less pain=easier to find anything potentially wrong? Maybe? As someone's that's had it done I was scared too and afterwards I was like.... ummm that's it? Huh..... it's anti climactic to say the least. HUGZ

[@Raevynwing]

Honestly I get a mammogram every year because my mother died young from breast cancer (beat once but returned a few years later, metastasized to her brain and bones. Since I turned 34 I started getting screened yearly. Even being on the smaller size it is not painful, just mildly uncomfortable on the arm having I raised and laying on the machine, that's all. I was terrified at first but it's really not bad. As scared as I am of hospitals I still go yearly. It's worth it.

[@stevenclark1662]

@@Raevynwing my mom beat breast cancer when I was young, then it came back metastases to her lung. Ishe died when I was 26. I'm 31 now like I said, and I check myself at least once a month. If something like cancer runs through your family like water down a stream, GET CHECKED AT LEAST YEARLY. When it came back for my mom, she spent 2 years telling herself the shortness of breath was just because she was getting older, til she collapsed at work. Take care of yourselves.

[@danielledunn9402]

I’m not gonna lie I’m on a dr. Mike binge but I believe it’s because it is nice to see someone that is my age actually acting like a adult. This is how you have a conversation. Hats off to this the younger adults coming behind this take note.

[@xcalien]

1st reply

[@bishop51807]

All adults are unfortunately guilty of that. We put feelings before facts.

[@melindalinn6381]

It is amazing how much the skill of honorable discourse has been set aside. Society is basing many serious things on emotion and unsupported opinion, not reliable facts or defendable evidence. So, I resonate with your comment :)

[@absurdist_cackle2523]

It's both irritating and heartwarming to watch Adam be snarky and smug while Mike was being so wholesome he didn't even notice.

[@altheaunertl]

@@Obi-WanKannabis THIS. He noticed, but it doesn't matter because taking issue with another person's tone isn't really what Dr. Mike is about. It's exactly what you said.

[@DarthDionius]

@@Obi-WanKannabis Yeah, 100% this. Besides, Mike's a doctor; compared to some of the stuff that doctors go through on a daily basis, a bit of Twitter snark is honestly small time. Doctors have thick skins. The good doctors will maintain their sense of decorum, and the doctors who can't take it don't remain doctors for long.

[@coffeejelly1116]

@@DarthDionius Do you mean Mike's a doctor?

[@DarthDionius]

@@coffeejelly1116 I do, thank you. Edited that now.

[@coffeejelly1116]

@@DarthDionius np just trying to help 😁

[@tarabayke6559]

Adam's misinterpretation of some of your responses mirrors exactly what you predicted would happen when average consumers heard Adam's argument, particularly in regard to mammograms. I think he missed that fact that you were trying to word your responses in a way that would effectively communicate the right message to the consumer, rather than simply giving commentary based on your personal beliefs or feelings toward the situation. It's great that he had medical professionals review his commentary; however, the way he mentioned it insinuated that since it was reviewed by professionals, the information was finite. Doctors frequently have different opinions regarding the same topic, and all perspectives must be heard in order to make the best decisions.

[@mr.fabulousmegardev6256]

This comment deserves more upvotes

[@RinHanyouChan]

Exactly

[@senjy3097]

Adam many times has shown his political views threw his episodes. The way he sees hospitals and the people you chose to feature matter. All I am saying is one of the 2 is biased is Adam.

[@crimnugget868]

Wanna do my language hw?

[@Kougeru]

@@senjy3097 nothing political about the fact that people are dying because of greed in the health care industry

[@LudietHistoria]

I really love the way you are Dr. Mike, I swear, you're just...a really good human. You take criticism positively and use it to improve yourself! I hope one day I can do that too.

[@justinz9225]

“You’re biased” is the biggest non-argument I hear. My response is, “so what? Show me where I’m wrong.” Pointing out bias does not invalidate a claim.

[@savannam.7048]

👏 Say it louder for those in the back! 👏 My bias as part of two Native American tribes does not invalidate or make me wrong when I speak about some of the atrocities that have been inflicted upon native peoples, such as their children being taken from them and being sent to "re-education" facilities to make them be Christian and conform to white man's way of life, including being punished for using their native languages. Yeah I'm biased. It didn't NOT happen just because I pointed it out and I'm biased! Not that I typically preach about it or anything, but that's just an example of your point. 🤗

[@sborrink]

True, pointing out a bias doesn't invalidate a claim. However, having a particular bias, be it political or professional, can skew people's views on the facts of an issue.

[@justinz9225]

@@sborrink But it can't skew the facts, that's the point. And if someone is wrong, you have to show WHY they're wrong, not why they believe it. Maybe I believe the sky is blue because aliens inject blue gel into skypockets from their invisible space pods every 4 weeks. Does that make me crazy? Maybe. But it doesn't tell me whether or not the sky is blue. This is called the Genetic Fallacy.

[@rachelfondeur]

I love this! This is such a great response and I'm kind of mad that in my 20 years of life I've never heard it before

[@OnlyGetty]

Bias is brought up usually for conflict of interest reasons. There is Bias, but there's no conflict of interest where the Doctor is concerned.

[@ScathingSarcasm]

Great and very measured response. I love a media creator that can absorb that kind of vaguely insulting and aggressive slapback and give a calm, thought out and good-spirited answer. You're an amazing role model!

[@intipires3898]

I respect so much people who do this

[@holysecret2]

I would not be able to handle it in this way, a great inspiration

[@MemekingSupreme]

Wait until you see his reply to Dr Hope, shows his real attitude towards criticism. Still enjoy his videos but don't respect him after that old 'beef'

[@kansas8152]

You are one of the most honest and genuine KZbinrs I’ve come across..too bad for the people that don’t see that in you.

[@jayjayjacobs3845]

I ... Im shocked,i mean i am huge fans of both of these people but the way how adam changed dr mike's words in his tweets to make it seems as if dr mike claims hospitals are above critisism and so forth It completely blows my mind,it feels like he takes dr mike's words and twisting it to his will

[@arcticpangolin3090]

Cor VD It’s really just a strawman of mike’s actual position and just straight up intellectually dishonest. Bad Adam.

[@thebygoneking]

If you look into Adam a little bit, you’ll find that this kind of behavior is extremely common for him. Made me stop watching his content.

[@neontime8507]

The Bygone King same. I’m always baffled by unearned arrogance, not that I think anyone should be arrogant, but given his humble beginnings at collegehumor, it’s a bit odd for someone like Adam to think so highly of himself

[@alexthompson942]

Anytime someone makes legitimate criticisms of a video of his, which there are many, he gets butthurt and name drops people. He uses facts in a way to shape his narrative and advance it when he should be presenting facts and context to the relevant facts to provide non-biased info.

[@ptpumpkin4227]

adam is like my mother

[@sayaleerakh3175]

THIS is how you take criticism. Having an educated healthy discussion and try and meet in the middle. I really think Adam was quite rude instead of trying to understand what Dr. Mike was saying.

[@Brennan.P]

criticism today is mostly taking place against other people's opinion. Medicine is an objective science so it is easier to defend. Most people today get lost in figuring out what is fact and opinion.

[@nathanbueche8429]

Adam Conover's show is biased. His writers give him a narrative to push. You can find many channels that break down the points in the show, revealing the bias. Or go watch Joe Rogan's show with Adam.

[@joshuawhittick4496]

thisssss

[@clydefrosch]

@@Brennan.P objective might go a little too far. many objective truths in medicine are just thousands of people quoting the same text that no one bothered to check in a century. a lot in medicine is just peddled by big pharma too. and they make decisions based on money. and its cheaper to just add like one useless molecule to the same old painkiller with the same old sideeffects to keep a fresh patent, than exploring actual new painkillers.

[@clydefrosch]

@@nathanbueche8429 of course, everything is biased. yet they still give you all the sources to check for yourself, unlike so many others, they don't just pull stuff out of their ass.

[@ankushdas5148]

I am genuinely blown away about how you can explain such complicated stuff with such simplicity. This channel literally makes my day. Dr. Mike thank you for the amazing contents every weak. And another thing you are the least biased person I have ever seen.(in a Mobile Screen) love your videos!

[@arielle4242]

Gigantic Director Official in a fun fact video about Dr. Mike he said that one of his best skills is explaining complicated topics in a clear and simple way! He isn’t wrong

[@Meiabell]

This is integrity brah. Adulting at its finest.

[@zachsuedmeyer2526]

@Inebriatd I agree with you however the term adulting is a part of my life as well and I must say that sometimes it genuinely applies. For example. When someone gets called out by a guy who misinforms people for a living by only giving half truths and the guy getting called out handles it in a meaningful way rather than ignoring or acting salty over it.

[@Dankonen]

@Inebriatd How can you turn a sentence so short into something political? I think you need lessons in adulting man...

[@Msjjangful]

I’m a first year in medical school and very much interested in pursuing the primary care field! Thanks dr Mike for encouraging me to explore this field of medicine 😊

[@LivingInTragedy]

One main reason I subscribed to this channel is the way mike explains topics. He tries his hardest to put this information in an unbiased and simple to understand way, something that is very rare on KZbin. Absolutely love this channel and everything mike stands for ❤️

[@therambler3713]

You're too kind man. The guy was insulting you, he was essentially making you out to be shill for "evil" hospitals. But bravo! for the humble and inteligent response.

[@keegansmetanko3755]

I don't think it was necessarily an insult. I believe it was more of not commonly talking to people who can discuss things logically and only solve issues by proving points without stating opinions and comparing instead. In other words Adam usually speaks with those who have no idea how to calmly discuss a point.

[@andresmartinezramos7513]

@@keegansmetanko3755 Adam is one of those people

[@lukemarriott306]

He wasn't insulting mike,he was asked to criticize Mike's video, he did I a respectful way.

[@5-minuteconservative832]

Adam's show is a business whose product is criticism. If that product is in question, then he stands to lose consumers.

[@KKBash]

@@keegansmetanko3755 False. I would argue that Adam was the one shutting down the conversation. Assuming others won't participate in the conversation, and being harsh with the mindset that it won't go anywhere makes YOU part of the problem. Adam can easily sit there (with his much bigger viewer base) and trash Mike. If he was speakin in good faith, he wouldn't paint with such broad strokes to discredit him, and instead work from common ground.

[@DevilGeneImbued]

Adam: **Gives a lightly snarky and butthurt tweet** Mike: “Ah! He tweeted me, and I’m so happy to have this debate, yes” Me: **Puts my face into my hands** Oh my God, he’s a puppy

[@DeidarasLilStudent]

This. So much this. Everything and this. He sounded so offended that a doctor disagreed with his video because ‘they did so much fact checking!!!!’ when he never really disagreed. Mike just thought that the information coulda been explained better/differently. Fact check and review it all you want but delivery is what actually matters.

[@SidRo1113]

Bluebird Grayson I don’t think Adams reply was particularly snarky, I also felt that (when I watched doctor mikes reaction) he felt fairly defensive, which is understandable. I also think that simply taking a section out of a segment can make anything look like “normal viewers will misunderstand” and I’m sure you can do the same with Mikes videos. In the hospital video it does clarify straight after the segment about those tests to start them at 40 so the insistence from Doctor Mike sounds strange. As well as this, doctor mike is reacting to those tweets in a video format, while Adams are written. As such it’s a lot easier to misunderstand Adams tone compared to Mikes because we can see mikes reactions as he’s replying. I’d like to clarify that I’m a big Doctor Mike fan and Adam Ruins Everything Fan and love this interation, I just also think it’s a little too hasty to assume Mike is chill and Adam isn’t because of formatting

[@Tigatron1448]

HeroRodrigues Adam isn’t chill though... have you seen him outside of his show? I truly hate this phrase, but if it were to apply to anyone it would be Adam - he’s the definition of a beta male. Ugh... the cringe... anyways... Adam is pretty much a know it all asshole who isn’t interested in debate or conversation. He utilizes anecdotes when it suits him and dismisses objective data if that information goes against his belief. I enjoy the premise of Adam ruins everything and I think there are some great episodes. However... I think a lot of the episodes are ideologically driven instead of simply fact focused. I find Dr. Mike to have a kinda irritating personality which makes his videos hard to watch for me. But I think he overall does a good job in presenting his opinions and is fair to others.

[@DeidarasLilStudent]

@@Tigatron1448 Honestly when you look at videos of him trying to explain his point of view on the spot he just makes him look like a dunce "WELL I BELIEVE THIS BECAUSE!" "because....?" "uhhh....w-well because.... because- could you elaborate?" 500% beta male and everything else you said. If i could make his a top comment I would.

[@ElPayasoMalo]

"Beta males" are not a thing.

[@galacticnovastudios]

We need more people like this in the world. Logical, admitting of his own problems, actively seeking a solution rather then pointing fingers,

[@elizabethb2890]

You are one of the least biased people I follow on social media. Everything you share is explained clearly and very well! Love watching your videos.

[@9393jack]

True. When I saw Dr. Mike's previous vid, it showed some issues with Adam that I didn't notice before. But I figured they were honest mistakes. ...But seeing some of Adam's Tweets, I'm extremely disappointed with his responses. It sounds very much to me that he just can't take any criticism. I think that Adam is more concerned about his views than he is about portraying the truth of the matter.

[@peacelovecigarettes]

I'll be the devils advocate here. Dr. Mike is biased. He's a doctor. So of course he is biased.

[@9393jack]

@@peacelovecigarettes yes, of course. "he's biased!" "no, you're biased!" Fortunately, there's much more important than just saying the other side is biased. Great "devil's advocate".

[@peacelovecigarettes]

@@9393jack dude. Literally a doctor is going to be biased on issues pertaining to his profession.

[@peacelovecigarettes]

@@9393jack hes gonna make his side sound good. Just like the other side will do. You have to take everything with a grain of salt.

[@morganjones6423]

I really love the healthy commenting back and forth on this! It’s really refreshing and I wish more people and influencers would communicate like this!

[@CreativeSteve69]

I toatally agree with you there.

[@lute8999]

I wouldn't call the critique response on Adam's end "healthy." It had serious undertones of cockiness, and Adam flat out rejects criticism? Rejecting criticism means you don't believe you were wrong, which leads to the conclusion that Adam was telling Dr. Mike to buzz off for challenging his 'superior' knowledge on the subject. I wholeheartedly respect Dr. Mike, but Adam, especially through his show, has proven to me that his singular focus in his "Ruins Everything" series is to inject his political viewpoints into all controversial topics, attempting to sway public opinion. I apologize for the long winded comment, but Adam is known to be one who tries to push political agendas, so I have no trust with his evident biases.

[@wesangasweslew1658]

See this is how debate and discussion should be. Thank you for continuing to be such a great example that it can be done, and be done well.

[@asnalem4391]

Not really it was disgusting that Adam used those blatant strawmen in the early tweets

[@wesangasweslew1658]

@@asnalem4391Nah man I'm praising Dr. Mike on his conduct, not Adam on his.

[@dawnmidnightsun2521]

Intelligent debates are difficult to come by, usually because people have a Them vs. Us attitude. If there is one thing I have learned over the years, it is that text doesn't give tone of voice. You can type something one way and have it easily misconstrued as "mean", "overcritical" or "rude" without ever meaning for it to sound that way. Tone of voice, inflection and facial expression can't be shown in text alone. So people will read something from someone with their own viewpoint in mind and be unable to see how the person typing may have meant something different. I see a lot of people stating that Adam was being vicious.......but reading the tweets myself, I only see someone who is trying to explain issues from the perspective he was given by another expert in their field.

[@asnalem4391]

@@dawnmidnightsun2521 But seriously man how is boiling down most of Dr. Mike's points on the profit part to "He says we are too mean on hospitals and thinks they are above criticism" not disingenuous as hell?...

[@cooldude2251]

It's clear that one of these people watched the others show and the other didnt.

[@senza4591]

Yes, yep. You are right.

[@BreakingRPGs]

Yeah this guy obviously misunderstood Adams entire video.

[@Cthulhoop]

@@BreakingRPGs It's obvious that you're an idiot.

[@sajor6698]

@@Cthulhoop i hope you're joking...

[@AnastasiaMaliel]

Cthulhoop it’s obvious he was joking

[@GrumpCatMara]

Me: *See’s thumbnail* “Oh no not more drama.” *watches looking for drama* Mike: *has respectful debate and seems happy to talk about the alternative view* Me: “Huh. Cool.” *reads Adam’s tweet* “Oh there it is.”

[@superduperjoi6800]

Lolll

[@methowl3675]

Lmao

[@nadiashireensiddiqi]

I need to get a mammogram, At or before 35 The Brest surgeon insisted after my lumpectomy at 27 Am 33 already. Watched a Mayim Bialik video on it, she kept saying it’s expensive. So now concerned about the cost too. Facebook NadiaWriterSiddiqi

[@Freekymoho]

His tweet was super snippy

[@thisismyname1701]

What was his tweet i dont has da twitter

[@Praz55]

Dr. Mike is the kind of person I would trust to babysit Baby Yoda.

[@iCybutMelting]

Praz55 really cool how Dr. Mike looks back and likes comments he probably found funny!

[@voltagetortoiz3137]

Blender

[@0zz1k5]

That is about all I can trust him with...

[@danielfernandez675]

That's so true!

[@vengefulspirit99]

This is the way.

[@kaminsod4077]

Oh shit we got Twitter beef on the menu.

[@noisyguy12]

Let's go!

[@Kougeru]

doesn't really look like beef but rather professionally, well written responses on both sides

[@la-pantarana]

I feel like Adam tried to cover his ass for something he really didn't need to

[@sexycavetroll2788]

@@Kougeru lol you didn't see how Adam twisted what Mike said? Adam is a really shadey dude

[@krisgomez3997]

soft cream yeah I’m with you. Adam really seemed to try and make Mike sound like “one of them” and that mike was almost trying to “silence” him. Really rubbed me the wrong way.

[@jessediaz4342]

"I reject your criticism" what bro you can't do that

[@Coolsomeone234]

Lol

[@MentallyBougie]

😂 😂 😂

[@crocodileguy4687]

😆

[@freshrockpapa-e7799]

Specially when your show is all about criticising others lmao

[@neontime8507]

Never knew that was an option. “You killed my dog, you murderer!” “I reject your criticism.”

[@suchnothing]

As an average woman, I totally agree that Adam's segment on mammograms could scare women away from getting them. It came off like they were saying mammograms are useless and even harmful, and arent necessary. Then at the very end they were like "oh yeah by the way you should still get them." Like hello?

[@jleemar22]

I agree. Definitely a turn off for mammograms and I'd like to think of myself as someone who weighs up both sides

[@commentcopbadge6665]

Jennifer Marshall *weighs

[@jleemar22]

@@commentcopbadge6665 haha yeah noticed the minute I revisited the comment . My bad

[@theforeverfalling]

Inebriatd awww you’re trying so hard to pick a political fight 😂 it’s almost cute

[@suchnothing]

@Inebriatd wth was that word salad? What does any of that have to do with the discussion being had here? I'm so confused lol

[@gabrielwilliams4977]

Dr. Mike 2020 anyone??? The level of charisma and wholesomeness in this guy is amazing. I don't believe I have ever seen anyone respond to criticism that well.

[@gwnfan]

It would have to be 2028... Gotta be 35 to run for president, and Dr. Mike was born in 1989.

[@kixi8033]

He'd have my vote.

[@modernworfaremaster]

Well sadly it’ll never happen...he wasn’t born in the U.S., so without a constitutional amendment, he can’t be elected president

[@ShadeSlayer1911]

@@ElephantsRock943 Charisma and wholesomeness are both nice to have, but are also not great reasons to pick someone for president. It should be based primarily on policy, not based on whether or not you personally like the person.

[@ElephantsRock943]

@@ShadeSlayer1911 True, though if they have good morals, that would probably ultimately lead to better outcomes. Though true, policies should probably be priority number one when voting for a candidate.

[@dianar.1220]

I agree with you Doctor Mike. I enjoy watching Adam Ruins Everything but I did feel frightened about mammograms when I saw that episode months ago. I appreciated your original video where you explained more in depth how mammograms work and why they are necessary. Thank you!

[@heyamberray]

I wasn't frightened of mammograms from Adam's show (it actually made me feel like I needed one), but I was frightened of mammograms from talking to doctors and family members that HAD gotten them.

[@mirrormimi]

Same. I was already scared of them, and watching the video I felt more comfortable with the idea of putting it off a lot longer than I should. And I'm not "an average person" mind you, my career is in healthcare yet I still ate up the words in the video because it's what I wanted to hear.

[@MommahKat]

@@painoftheheart12 You weren't really listening to the reasons most people are frightened by getting mammograms. One of the main reasons is that they can be painful, even with the ultrasound version for those that are younger. I have a high risk of breast cancer in my family but because of everything I always heard of them being painful and the like I tried putting it off as long as I could. That isn't good. It made me ignore signs I honestly shouldn't have with my family history. Thankfully it turned out to be a benign cyst in the end but I should not have waited so long.

[@matthewct8167]

Is it just me or is Adam Conover purposely mischaracterizing Doctor Mike’s response, in a passive aggressive way?

[@neontime8507]

Because if he didn’t misinterpret them, then he wouldn’t be able to claim dr mike is wrong. That’s why people construct strawmen

[@jwill7998]

Adam is a complete nob.

[@that_one_person5805]

@@jwill7998 I think it's more he's a manipulative person who can't admit his mistakes

[@jwill7998]

@@that_one_person5805 Yes, he's manipulative and very intellectually dishonest (and a nob).

[@henrytawnn8694]

I don't know if it was personal, but Adam did seem defensive. I don't think he was trying to be mean in his comment, but I think he may have taken the criticism personally. They work hard on the show with the constant fact-checking, even more so with this episode, so to hear criticisms might have upset him. The fact is, they both stated facts and thier opinions and no one is wrong. Adam seemed to take it a little personal, but Dr. Mike welcomes the criticism and owned up to what Adam mentioned, all while being respectful and didn't come off as rude. I like both Adam and Dr. Mike, and I don't think either of them mean any harm, or would ever intentionally try to misinform people with their show/channel. They just had a difference of opinion, regarding stated facts, that they both agree on.

[@helenjuarez8970]

The way you give your perspective about something with someone who totally disagrees with you is very admirable. Wish people treated differing opinions like you do.

[@DoctorMike]

Leading by example and continually improving myself...we all can do better!

[@darrenskjoelsvold]

He's right about the cost of medicine. Speaking as an agent with an insurance license if you want to blame anyone for the high cost of medicine blame the administration but more over blame the insurance industry. The relationship between the insurance industry and the medical industry is adversarial and symbiotic and if that sounds contradictory then you are right. Insurance companies don't want to pay out lots of money so they hire bean counters to figure out how to deny claims and hospitals hire bean counters to figure out how to make them pay. So costs go up and insurance companies are shocked by the price and spend money to prove that they don't have to so hospitals spend money on professionals who specialize in making insurance companies pay for your care. It's not unlike nuclear proliferation and the ones harmed are the general public. Everything gets more expensive and everyone loses.

[@Rayneuki]

They also snipe all the biller / coders right out of school before hospitals can get them, meaning that most of these younger biller / coders learn bad habits from the insurance company and learn to try and get everything denied. Also, as a retired biller / coder, can you not call them bean counters? The job is actually quite difficult and often ignored by both patients and doctors.

[@darrenskjoelsvold]

@@Rayneuki Fair point but still, the strange arms race is largely responsible for the problem. The insurance industry teaches its agents a lot of bad habits and bad practices.

[@darrenskjoelsvold]

I would also add btw that if these jobs didn't exist, medical care would be a lot less expensive even if you had to pay your own way. I've traveled abroad quite a lot and in countries which denied me coverage for medical stuff while I was staying there and said I had to pay all the costs the costs were really cheap. I mean laughably cheap. I mean going in for stomach pains and being diagnosed with ulcers and given non generic prescription medication and paying about 100 bucks for the entire thing, including doctor visit and medicine. The Biller Coders are the problem if you ask me. But they only really exist because insurance companies don't want to pay. So... My industry creates yours and yours makes things expensive but only because mine is full of money grubby selfish people. Fair enough?

[@concanthandleme]

I agree I worked in billing for a while and the insurances were always so frustrating.

[@darrenskjoelsvold]

@@concanthandleme The ironic thing is I would argue that all this fighting over the bill that insurance companies do is also probably costing them a lot more money than if they actually just PAID THE BLOODY BILL. My own company has a life insurance company that it owns. They saved a lot of money and hassle because they don't have what we'll just call a war clause. If somebody dies because of the conflict between two sovereign nations then many insurance companies have a clause where they don't have to pay a death claim. The companies that decided that on 9-11 they weren't paying probably spent untold amounts of money fighting those claims and in the long run it probably lost them more money than if they had just paid the death claims. My own company had lower losses than the industry at large because they simply never added this language to their contacts. It's currently a selling point but likely the reason it's not there is because when they were writing them up originally they simply forgot they could add them. I'm a realist and I don't fool myself into thinking that my company is just morally better than everybody else. So they just paid them and didn't get mired down in court costs and so forth fighting families over death claims that most had to pay out eventually anyway and thus they saved a lot of money that then went back into shoring up reserves for paying death claims. This kind of short sighted cost saving activity is really dumb because it all ends up costing everybody more money in the long run. The insurance companies denying claims because somebody didn't cross a t and instead of the doctor amputating the foot they ampulated the foot which isn't covered in the language of the contract. Is just silly and stupid and means we're all paying for life saving services which are for the public good. OK so this is a silly example but all the fighting over medical treatment is silly too.

[@ayragon]

I went and got my first mammogram after seeing your video, and paid the extra $40 for the fancy 3D images. Good news, no issues, even better news, it was a wicked cool machine and I’m happy with the whole experience. Side note, it was uncomfortable but not painful or awkward. The technician explained everything and was amused by my obvious excited geeking out over the machine and process. Thank you for speaking about the possible misunderstanding of the episode and for responding to these tweets in such a direct and mature way. Cheers to you!

[@malindastevens1016]

I didn't find it painful either, slight discomfort but I've felt far worse in my life. As I commented though those machines are NOT made for short people though lol, it was more painful on my calves having to stand on my tiptoes through the entire process lmfao!

[@xzonia1]

@@malindastevens1016 When I had mine done last year, the technician lowered the machine to my height because I said it was uncomfortable where it was, so they can be adjusted some. I'm 5'6", though. If they adjusted it and you were still too short, then they should have gotten a step stool for you to stand on, in the least. I couldn't have done it if I'd had to stand on my tiptoes! My back is too messed up for that. Lol

[@malindastevens1016]

@@xzonia1 I'm only 4'10" lol and yea I have a bad back as well and sadly they didn't get me a stool. The lady adjusted the machine down as far as she could but it wouldn't go down quite far enough

[@hannap8052]

I'm happy everything's ok

[@malindastevens1016]

@@hannap8052 Yea everything came out alright, it was mainly a just to be safe thing because of a swollen lymph node, though I'm very near the age for regular screenings (will be 40 this August)

[@futurespec69]

A mammogram saved my life, and my doctor did not think that I had cancer. I ended up being diagnosed with breast cancer at the age of 36 years old, and my daughter will have to start getting mammograms at the age of 26 just to be sure that if she does have cancer that it is caught early.

[@cgracemo]

Same, and I was 41. There are so many of us alive today because of mammograms. Yes, it's uncomfortable but cancer is worse.

[@Raevynwing]

My mom was 39, beat it once but it returned, metastasized in her brain and bones.. Died 5 years after her second diagnosis at 47. I have been getting mammograms yearly since I turned 34

[@Remix2366]

ADAM NEVER SAID TO NEVER TAKE A MAMMOGRAM.

[@redpanda1065]

@@Remix2366 exactly

[@samanthagalarza3421]

Adam: *throws a fit about how no one is above criticism* Also Adam: *throws a twitter hissy fit over slight criticism* Dr. Mike: Teeheehee what a good convo let's talk more ttyl xoxo Dr. Mike is too pure for this world

[@jasminepardo3036]

In the tweet that Dr. Mike included Adam said it was requested by his viewers and like Dr. Mike said it a healthy debate which educates the public.

[@samanthagalarza3421]

@@jasminepardo3036 it was a hissy fit

[@Sertaine]

@@samanthagalarza3421 I agree, When I read the part "I reject Dr Mike's Critque", My mouth dropped and was turned off completely by Adam's points. It reminded me of a spoiled brat who likes to keep their head in the sand about topics, never learning, but always right.

[@robertmclaughlin5771]

Girl, you know you doing the same thing right? You are throwing a small tantrum over good points that Adam had even though some were a little off putting tone-wise, so you need to calm down hun

[@noobslayer10101]

Honestly that's why he's probably such a good doctor. Adam tried to tell him "you're wrong" basically and WITHOUT going "well I'm a doctor so I would know" Mike defended his points very clearly and logically. He is a doctor though so he would know haha anyone can do Adams job of looking up statistics and making them look sleek with a good video editor.

[@jessicamccorkle692]

Adam: combativly puffs chest Dr mike : chest bump bro! Adam: confused Great job Dr.Mike-drop. Accepting criticism, clarifying point on which you two agree and disagree, and thanking Adam for his critique of your critique. Perfect.

[@apimpnamedslickback5936]

True king other guy is lost

[@pixie89]

*Oversimplification can be dangerous sometimes* - Dr. Mike

[@mcastillo830]

Pixie basically if ur doing an essay for school Edit: also comprehensive tests

[@itssssstef]

So my reasoning is dangerous sometimes

[@goodolmeplant5809]

@@itssssstef over reasoning, there is a thing called being "over rational" y'know.

[@arirenzi-surprenant3493]

I applaud this response. It's refreshing to see someone respond to another persons critiques in a respectful way. I really like how he wasn't getting angry because that doesn't help a conversation.

[@dailynihilist]

Adam: No one is above criticism. Also Adam in the same tweet tirade: I respectfully reject this criticism. Weak.

[@clarak468]

You mean mike

[@gFamWeb]

@@clarak468 Mike is actually responding well. Adam was responding to points Mike didn't make.

[@dancepiglover]

Adam didn't act like he shouldn't be criticized. He was clarifying his point of view.

[@cherusiderea1330]

Well, one doesn't have to accept every criticism just because one thinks that no one is above criticism. Some criticism is simply not justified (not referring to Dr. Mike's criticism here) so you're not obliged to accept it.

[@leyren2606]

@@cherusiderea1330 Well, I guess it's a matter of wording. You can disagree with some criticism, of course. 'Rejecting' criticism rather implies that you don't even accept it's existence in the first place. Which is pretty much the same as thinking to be 'above criticism'. So I think Adam just worded this quite badly.

[@watsonholmes3903]

While I usually respect Adam and his starting conversations through his television show I feel that he was far too defensive in his response to Dr. Mike. I feel like in a snide way Adam went after Mike’s character which bugged me a little. That being said I am glad to see Dr. Mike not attack back and to give his honest opinion about the matter rather then get into drama

[@blackbird7781]

Yeah Adam just really pissed me off and overreacted.

[@jameson1239]

Well if he’s acting defensive that usually means that he knows he’s wrong and is trying to not only convince everyone else is right he’s trying to convince himself

[@CherryCHERRY-go6zj]

Watson Holmes no Adam is right

[@titusorelius9458]

Here's the thing, Adam is a bit arrogant. What has happened with this topics of hospitals should give you pause and make you consider that perhaps Adam is not accurate on other topics he's covered as well and you just didn't know because there wasn't an expert like Dr.Mike to point out Adam was wrong. Think about it.

[@CherryCHERRY-go6zj]

Watson Holmes what adam said is true he does the negative of stuff then does positive of it and he cut that all out to make adam look bad

[@Pelmite]

How does adam criticize things for a living but not understand any of dr mikes critiques ?

[@blackbird7781]

Bias

[@adventuresoftj3301]

Because hes a personality.

[@SethMacMillan]

Well, it's not truly him doing all of the critiquing. He likely has a few researchers that he turns to for the information and then present that information. Not to say he isn't involved in the research process, but he likely is not as involved as that team.

[@jordandeering7145]

Matthew Smith wait till you hear him on joe rogans podcast

[@kyle-silver]

The episode is on the older side, and tbh I can imagine that Adam's moved on mentally from that episode and just skimmed the initial reaction video. I'm glad that this has remained civil, though

[@JustATravelerr]

Dr Mike: "I just want people to be healthy" I love the eloquence of Dr Mike's response because Adam clearly got pretty defensive in his tweet thread, meanwhile summed up nicely in the end, Mike says how simplifying things for the general public is good, but if we over simplify them, it has the potential to do more damage than good.

[@robertamagdalena8224]

it's weird i feel the opposite. I feel that Dr Mike is defensive and that his issue with the "focus" is irrational. Isn't it Dr Mike's approach that risks to do more damage than good on a political level ?

[@江淑芳-q1d]

@@robertamagdalena8224 wait what do you mean by that? Can you explain ? In what way does it do more damage than good?

[@AliceI7764]

@@robertamagdalena8224 I got to say your reply makes no sense at all. I'm not trying to be rude I'm trying to understand.

[@robertamagdalena8224]

@@AliceI7764 the damage is legitimization Mike's speech presents as not that big a deal the fact that people have to depend on charity to get treatment

[@ANtroposo524]

Its like doctor mike is the kind of doctor we don't deserve, but clearly the one we need.

[@longtalltexan1867]

I think Adam forgets that he is just a comedian/writer/TV host and not an actual expert on the subjects he covers. His rejection of Dr. Mike's (healthy/respectful) criticism speaks volumes.

[@georgiaaallen]

This ^

[@bloodbaymare]

A person doesn't have to be an expert on a topic in order to be knowledgeable and present a decent argument. However, Adam absolutely should have deferred to Dr. Mike's expertise and used the initial critique as an opportunity to reflect and readjust his own argument. His tweets reek of drama rather than intellectual discussion. Can you imagine how much more productive the conversation could have been if Adam continued the dialogue on rising health care costs?

[@JuanGamb]

Adam is a beta Male

[@eurasianfred]

To be fair, Conover does have a strong, logical foundation, because his video was reviewed by an experienced physician and cancer researcher.

[@dustinjames1268]

Adam is long known for taking a hardline left wing stance, citing only sources that agree with him and ignoring all other evidence

[@rachelrachel4922]

"Being a primary care doctor, I have a pulse" - Doctor Mike, 2019

[@alexs5968]

Being a dead man, i don't

[@DoctorMike]

haha I'm going to run on that =]

[@darrenyeoh9000]

Someone needs to make a T-shirt of that and send it to him

[@mrgallbladder]

Well... In that case, you, sir, are fully qualified to practice medicine! Haha

[@franciscolaurean8550]

I too have a pulse :D

[@IzzyOnTheMove]

As a Canadian, hearing that a hospital is a "business" or an "industry" makes no sense and is absolutely frightening. Thankfully, where i live, it is a public essential service that everyone has access to.

[@liams6585]

I’m a Brit and feel same as you. Really weirds me out and sounds scary af

[@katherinedobias7499]

It's so expensive to get healthcare jn the US. I'm canadian too and I met expats in different countries who are working their butt off outside the US to pay for medical fees whether it's for them or for their relatives. One teacher I met has been working in Saudi for 7 years to pay off thousands of dollars worth of healthcare for her brother who's in a wheelchair in the U.S.

[@GhostHunterDipperPines]

You’re lucky my friend

[@GhostHunterDipperPines]

As an American, I envy you. Though the hospital being a business hasn’t effected me much yet, as I’m still a kid, it has effected my Grandma and Aunt. I’m gonna keep a long story short and say due to various medical bills, they’re now trying to live off of social security and disability benefits respectively.

[@leefreemanii2622]

As an American living with a hospital system that is business focused I can tell you that it is in fact terrifying and many of us avoid going to the hospital when we need it because of how bad the experience usually is(mostly on the “business” side)

[@ChillMeNow]

This is how 'drama' should br handled. Thank you Dr.Mike!

[@jessicavsbridget]

I've never trusted someone that I do not know as much as I trust Dr. Mike. He is so genuine, so transparent, and so gracious and classy. It's so obvious he truly cares about public health and sharing truthful and factual advice.

[@Bravo-gw8th]

He also thinks you are an idiot lol. Congrats!

[@lrodenlr]

Bums me out that Dr. Mike feels the need to explain himself. He’s one of the most rational, levelheaded people on KZbin. Do you, Dr. Mike! 💪🏽

[@theconvert1208]

It burns you that Mike (just some doctor, and one with, let's face it, not extensive experience) isn't absolutely above criticism? Wow. Your world terrifies me.

[@bazlinajmuddin5452]

@@theconvert1208 no it terrifies me how a man who studied medicide for years cant even be given the slightest bit of respect by being Called a doctor. i guess in your world effort means nothing, well iguess that would mean you're nothing cause i dont respect you at all.

[@angelique757]

TheConvert oh shut up why are you here if you’re a hater.

[@KivaUnderscore]

As Dr.Mike has explained in this video it is a good thing. He stresses that clarity is very important in these kind of conversations and if people don't understand or simply misunderstood some of his points and need further clarification he is happy to provide it.

[@Dude-oh8vq]

If Dr. Mike was ugly would it still bum you out that he felt the need to explain himself?

[@topster888]

Adam saying "all the facts were correct, but all he cares about is the TONE" is such a nonsense defense. As if it's not possible to mislead people just because everything you say is technically true.

[@odinfromcentr2]

Sometimes technically correct isn't the best kind of correct. If you'll pardon the Futurama reference.

[@ryeman7980]

As a nurse I definitely agree with Mike, its not so much the content but the focus that is the issue with Adam's video. Its videos like Adams that lead to the idea that hospitals are filled with greedy people trying to turn a profit and lead to mistrust. Really most of the people a patient will meet (Nurses, Doctors, Case Managers) are actively trying to make the whole process cheaper for the patient and are on the patients side. At least that is my experience with my hospital.

[@xger21]

I feel like a not insignificant reasons for this back and forth is that Adam seemed more interested in critiquing for profit hospitals generally (which is valid, even if it could have been clearly/more articulate on that) whereas Mike dealt with the reality that we have.

[@RavenMistwolf]

Jordy Diaz I’m sure there are people who don’t differentiate and thus blame the staff. I have found that most people are really bad at actually placing the blame correctly (like if their food comes out wrong at a restaurant and they blame the waiter). I think it’s largely because they seldom SEE the person/people who should be blamed and want to have a face to put with the blame. None of it is right and they definitely shouldn’t blame the staff, but I don’t doubt there are those who do.

[@nhall1270]

Woo, well now I know.

[@melsyoutube]

This is such a classy and dignified WELL EDUCATED and coherent response. So well handled. Adam was unnecessarily defensive and misunderstood your points.

[@rh4993]

Yea, I'm genuinely impressed by how well this was handled. I don't think even a PR rep would've come up with something this classy.

[@drakeshade3521]

I do think that the first video was not very clear and this second one gives a much better explanation on his points and this is why adams response shows a lack of understanding of mikes points if adam sees this video wich which in my opinion is much better at showing mikes views then I'm sure his response would be much better and more amicable and if im wrong then it shows that adam is focusing to much on defending himself and not enough on the healthy criticism mike is giving

[@franky4753]

Well Adam does know everything 😂

[@christophalexander4542]

I think (or want to think, because I want to like Adam), that this is a case so fittingly described by John Scalzi as: "The failure mode of clever is “asshole." i.e. Adam tried to be funny and jokingly dismissive, but ended up being dismissive and arrogant. (At least that's how it seems to me. As we all know, everyone's impressions are different.)

[@marmer1327]

Considering Adam likes to manipulate statistics, studies, and numbers to support his view, I am not at all surprised.

[@alliway470]

When I saw Adam's video on mammograms, I had taken away that I should never have a mammogram. I'm grateful to Mike for the full picture and a better understanding.

[@mickaylao.9744]

Alli Way Adam's video made it seem like all mammograms were useless

[@theforeverfalling]

If you make a major decision like choosing to skip routine medical screenings based off of a skit show from a guy who never set foot in med school you’ve got some major problems. That’s honestly pathetic.

[@UmarTahir]

@@theforeverfalling To be fair, Adam did have a certified medical professional, so that added credibility to his argument. So, I wouldn't blame anyone for taking what Adam said as fact

[@eggsnspam]

That's the problem with sensationalist entertainment shows that sells itself as based on facts... Hence I'd rather listen to an actual doctor and ask my questions. If I'm unsure, I get a second opinion or read the scientific literatures directly themselves instead of reading another sensationalist "journalist-wanna be's" take on it.

[@ItsThomasKeith]

@@theforeverfalling if you make people feel pathetic for making a mistake in judgement you're pathetic. 🤷‍♂️

[@robertjackson8790]

This is one of the best responses to critique that I have ever seen. He acknowledges what is true while respectfully disagreeing at the same time and also remains polite. This is a master class in conversation and response. There are also a few things to be learned here in the field of debate even though I know Dr. Mike was not debating Adam. (If it were though Dr. Mike takes the win) But again the video was well done.

[@NekoMouser]

I used to love Adam's sketches and show, but the more I watch, the more I started realizing how biased and ill-targeted it could be. Not just on this, but all topics. I think it is a good idea and often well-done, but the bias is clear. Not just some political bias, but often Adam's show over-simplifies ideas and ignores historical context. As Dr. Mike says, it's not that mammograms were over-used, per se, but that was the best research of the time and the recommendations have changed over time with new studies and information. Also, like Dr. Mike mentioned, Adam's work seems to boil things down to the lowest hanging fruit and misses larger-scale nuance and more complex factors that influence what he is discussing. I haven't written him off, but with time I've come to take Adam's show with a lot bigger grain of salt than I used to. It's a starting point for more research more than a true clarification and final word on most topics.

[@Gambit9020]

You should check out his debate with Joe Rogan on transgenders in women's sport. Part of where I figured out Adam had strong bias and ignored biological facts.

[@doms.6701]

@@Gambit9020 and where we learned he can't hold an oppinion without checking with someone first

[@savannahkat4093]

Adam also very clearly does not respond well to criticism (based on the intentional misinterpretation of Mike’s points in these tweets, imo), even when it is presented in the most genuine possible way. I’ve always felt a little leery of his show because of how dramatic and oversimplified it is, but this makes it a hard no for me.

[@6thgraderfriends]

I think what would help if the episodes were longer, a full hour rather than half an hour so the topics can really be discussed and people could really get educated on what's out there.

[@NekoMouser]

@@6thgraderfriends I agree in theory, but I think part of his shtick is fast, witty, and meme-able. A longer show would be more accurate and more informative, but probably less popular given the audience they're aiming at.

[@crystgh]

Personally, I think Adam got a bit defensive because his segment was criticized constructively by a doctor. The tone in his responses sounded like it. I like controversial topics though. Whatever gets me or the crowd thinking lol 👌🏼💙

[@jmsolano0516]

Adam gets like that whenever he's criticized

[@Drazer012]

@@jmsolano0516 Because he knows hes very often wrong lol

[@tiannalewis1167]

I was thinking the same thing! His response just felt like he watched Dr. Mike’s video to respond and not to understand. 🤷🏾‍♀️

[@rimshamustafa2094]

This guy handled the situation so gracefully we stan even harder now

[@grayonthewater]

I keep seeing “stan” all over the internet and idk what it means 😭 lol I can’t keep up with the young peoples, what does it mean?

[@emiliosalazar9962]

@@grayonthewater Look up the Emminem song.

[@goldenxoxo8413]

Gray Glider Girl it means that they support them/they’re huge fans :)

[@catharticreverie]

@@goldenxoxo8413it means they're a fanboy, who will defend their "stan" and die on a hill for them by engaging in flame wars on the internet.

[@mickeficks]

@@grayonthewater They're proudly proclaiming themselves to be mindless sycophants. Cult crap. Scientologists are L. Ron Hubbard Stans.

[@Zazabazaa]

It's my dream to become as level headed as you are, Dr Mike. I've been trying really hard to learn how to properly take criticism without reliving my traumas and lashing out but I'm still dealing with it... The day I can take criticism and properly navigate through a discussion about it without disassociating will be one of the best days of my life!

[@Ponder_Wonder]

Funny that Adam said he doesn’t care if other people get butt hurt over his criticisms.... then gets butt hurt over being criticized 😂 Edit: Oh my word! Thanks for the likes, my dudes!

[@geordieny]

Also, the line about rejecting criticism. He rejected it entirely. Not one aspect of the criticism was taken on board. Just shows he's not the type of content creator that wants to improve.

[@danagumm9215]

@@windowdoog Yeah Adam only knows what to say when he his handed a script to read off.

[@Tigatron1448]

Ryan Butler oh my goodness... that video is painful to watch. I had such a difficult time watching that “interview” because Adam was embarrassing. I’ve never heard someone say “now I’m not the expert but this is what experts have to say” then proceed to disregard experts and give nothing but anecdotes over and over again. He’s an asshole.

[@Ponder_Wonder]

@@windowdoog I finally watched it and couldn't even get 10 minutes through .... I would have died from the internal and external cringing

[@Jynxxy13ravedoll]

My favorite part is they had a whole segment on Adam ruins everything about the show owning up to it’s mistakes and when they don’t make things clear, but then we get this lovely series of tweets.

[@sdlkjdjahlkhsd]

last week: tati v james this week: dr mike v adam 🍿 🍿 🍿 🍿

[@DoctorMike]

Haha I am so not a fan of beef! But this was a healthy convo about helping everyone! We are all on the same team.

[@svpremefrank8503]

This was a sophisticated beef

[@kekelauren6251]

@@svpremefrank8503 😂😂😂 Haha yes, grown folk beef!

[@ditakp7629]

This was pork

[@kooldudematt1]

@@DoctorMike This was filet mignon!!

[@amyduong9423]

Adam kept hammering how Mammograms don't get it right so many times and are not very efficient will obviously make women like me believe that I'd rather not take a mammogram.

[@B1onde_Lady]

Imagine it being acceptable to respond with “I reject this criticism” at your review at your job. 😂

[@erikefse01]

You pretty much can do that though. You may need to update your resume and take care of stuff like that, but the choice does exist! 😅😅

[@yalldrongos7657]

Adam: criticizes hospitals Also adam: I reject your criticism

[@caman225]

MLK: criticizes white people MLK: I reject your criticism Ghandi: criticizes Britain Ghandi: I reject your criticism Trump: criticizes Mexico Trump: I reject your criticism Man this is a really easy way to not have an argument. Thanks!

[@alanig6781]

Sezen Demeestere Since you've criticized Adam, you now have to to take and accept my critique. You are a bad person... Now off course you could reject this critique, and explain why you are not a bad person, you know, like Adam did.. but hey, let's not be logical and just accept that you are a bad person.

[@gonietubenyc5741]

WATCH THE JOE ROGAN PODCAST WITH ADAM !! He embarrasses that Liberal Democrat facist brainwashed cunt Adam and his views are not based on facts and evidence but word of mouth from none experts etc !! But you’ll like the podcast he destroys Adam

[@yalldrongos7657]

@@alanig6781 I can see your point and agree in a way but first of all, Dr. Mike explained his point, he didn't just say anything out of nowhere while in your example, there's no justification. Secondly, Adam didn't take it well and took it with some sort of acrimony. Dr. Mike's criticism was pretty constructive yet he took it as if he said something indelicate. Yes Adam also explained his point, but if you can't take criticism then why criticize? Plus your example is about my personality, while in that case it's about that specific episode, not the person in it. But I do see your point.

[@yalldrongos7657]

@@gonietubenyc5741 oh hell yeah I did watch it and ya right, it was honestly quite fun to see

[@jackysbin3860]

Dr Mike: isn’t angry and is calm and wholesome while responding Adam: you weren’t supposed to do that

[@disappointed8916]

JackLostThe Y ThIs IsN’t HoW yOu’Re SuPpOsEd To PlAy ThE gAmE

[@slingshotmcoy]

Adam only sounds convincing when he’s using a format that doesn’t allow the audience to challenge him.

[@0Asterite0]

like all conspiracy theorists

[@chillenrules]

Well Adam now knows not to do interviews about important topics because of Joe Rogan 😂

[@EddyA1337]

@@chillenrules lololol hell ya I listened to that episode it was epic. Half of the shit that came out of Adam's mouth was shit like, "like, um", "well, um, like", "so like". That episode Joe and Adam talked a lot about the trans community and sports and Adam talked but had NOTHING to say. I have no issues with the trans community but someone who was born a man should not be participating in women's sports, it's unfair and like Joe said, "there's nothing wrong with men and women having different biology, it's just a fact". I really like how Joe has gotten better at challenging who he's talking to. The Jack Dorsey episode was a great example.

[@twowongs8266]

@Killer Queen - I agree. I've found Adam to be an intellectual lightweight who tries to bully any opposition by feigning sincerity, which he wears like a cheap suit.

[@simmerway]

Eddy A. But this is a weird opinion to take because the fact of the matter is that MTF trans people are not dominating sport although they’ve been allowed to compete for years in many competitions

[@kensredemption]

I’ve watched Dr. Mike for years, and he does catch himself making logical fallacies as they occur. Legit one of the most humble and level-headed dudes I’ve ever seen. Adam’s employed by a television studio and always came off as an arrogant, fear-mongering know-it-all, so naturally having his piece debunked by someone on KZbin would be a threat to his bread and butter.

[@Zumoari]

Fear-mongering Know-it-all is so spot on. Wasn't he employed by Cracked? Very representative of that website.

[@lindenrose8626]

Pretty sure him being an arrogant know it all is played as a joke in every episode.

[@Penoatle]

@@Zumoari College Humor but we know nothing is funny on that site. ​

[@Penoatle]

​@@lindenrose8626 Saying "he is just playing a character" is not an excuse to shoddiness.

[@pamhernandez4241]

I'm a fan of Adam's show but also Dr. Mike, I'm so surprised how Adam gives criticism daily on all kinds of topics but when someone questions a small point of his he gets all hurt & his comments back were shady. Great job on your reply Dr. Mike you for sure showed how great of a person you are & Adam showed how his ego was hurt by someone trying to do the best thing for the people at home watching the episodes.

[@toddgaak422]

Why? Adam is a fucking moron.

[@dex4463]

Eh... how did Adams reply show his ego was hurt? This guy posted a video where he agreed with everything Adam said except he tried to nitpick a few points. Adam pointed out that the guy agreed with him, that's all. You sound like a fanboy of this silly channel.

[@neontime8507]

Dex because Adam was constructing strawmen the entire time. He did not genuinely respond to a single criticism that dr mike suggested.

[@dex4463]

@@neontime8507 I don't know, seems like we watched different videos. Looked to me like he responded to everything Mike said. He didn't address all of the nitpicks individually because they were irrelevant. He addressed the nitpicks with a blanket statement. At the end of the day, the hospitals are in the wrong here, and nitpicking a couple minor points won't change that. The only reason people are bashing Adam is because they're fans of Dr Mike. A neutral audience that wasn't a part of his limited fandom would most likely have a different opinion.

[@bloomp9676]

A lot of social media posts are dictated by managers, so I have a hunch that Adam himself wasn’t as butthurt as the Tweet implied, as it was likely written primarily by someone else

[@lauren5455]

Just graduated from Purdue with a Health Sciences degree....all of this is what we talked about in our coding, billing, and administrative classes. I think your remakes on this subject are very accurate. You don't understand how complicated until you are in the middle of it.

[@DoctorMike]

Thanks for sharing your experience with us! It's crazy how messy our system is... sigh

[@lauren5455]

@@DoctorMike Love your content. I recommended it to a few professors and they added a few of the videos into class! Thank you so much for sharing your experiences and knowledge with the world. Knowledge is power. You are making such a positive difference!

[@KA-mk5fi]

It is absolutely admirable the way you manage to tackle these tough subjects with such clarity to a population of people who may be (understandably) unfamiliar with the behind-the-scenes of this crazy system. To express with nuance and grace your criticisms and possible disillusionment with the system while also maintaining an understanding of why things may be the way they are is no easy feat, yet you manage to do so without exhibiting condescension or personal offense. It's something I have not yet mastered and instead I flit between harsh criticism or defensiveness 😂 so good on you, doc. Keep up the good conversations!

[@MegaAgamon]

I am curious how did Adam respond to this?

[@MegaAgamon]

Wow Mike hearted a comment on a year old video :) Kudos to you man!

[@orionx79]

@@MegaAgamon Yeah i was searching thru the comments to see if he responded back.

[@jjherbas2613]

@@orionx79 I've been looking as well, was there any response?

[@mertarican5456]

He didnt :/. People usually pull the plug if it gets heated. İ dont think adam cares about wellfare of american citizens.

[@lycan10101]

@@mertarican5456 Probably just realized that criticizing the counter criticism to his criticism would've been ridiculous and really bad for his image and apologizing would make it seem like he was wrong so it would probably be best to leave the conversation there.

[@kyncr]

It seems kinda petty how Adam didnt refer to you as Dr.... Just as Mike.

[@kekelauren6251]

👀🍿

[@jasondwhaj1792]

Yea dick move

[@lostcarcosa2518]

I came to the comments to say the same. Give respect where respect is due, regardless of one's personal feelings toward the other.

[@MidnightsFirefly]

Yeah and Adam refers to the other doc as such... BIIIAAAS?

[@rr2109]

I could have understood it if he addressed him as Dr. Mike first then switched to Mike after that but he never actually referred to him as a doctor at any point which I agree is petty.

[@LesAnderson]

Dr. Mike keepin’ it classy (as usual). Seriously there’s no reason to not love this guy

[@ketmateo]

I'm a big fan of Adam's (and yours), but I've got to say that he comes across as a bit of a prick in those tweets. Your attitude and response is well measured, polite and thoughtful. Keep doing what you do so well!

[@1859ddd]

It's pretty obvious that he got his feelings hurt a bit. But Dr. Mike handled it perfectly. It just shows how good of a doctor Mike most definitely is if he can explain his thought process in the same way he would explain it to a patient that disagrees with him. I've been in the medical field for a while now and totally agree with Dr. Mike and his point of view.

[@EsotericTherapy]

@@mininabs You're blind. Adam was smug, pissy and reductive (as usual).

[@ketmateo]

@@EsotericTherapy I completely agree with you. Seemed ultra defensive as well

[@1859ddd]

@@mininabs "I reject this criticism" is not engaging in a dialogue. That is smug, rude, and extremely discredits anything he had to say.

[@epicjoyfulcreations4580]

I completely agree. I’m also a fan of Adam, but I feel like he definitely could’ve handled it better. And now I’m a little bit more skeptical of the stuff on his show. I’m not saying that I’ll stop watching his work but I’ll definitely take it with a grain of salt or two.

[@cadence4527]

I don’t even know why the KZbin algorithm figured that I would even be interested in any of your videos, but I’m glad it did. I’m hooked on watching your videos and I’ve been highly recommending your videos, especially your COVID-19 videos to people. I describe you as being very informative and that you are very good at explaining things in a way that is calming and comforting. Before watching you I never would have known what a Code Blue was. I love to learn new things, even if I may never need to apply them and I absolutely enjoy your channel.

[@thesedays99]

Always enjoy getting information from Dr. Mike. People who actually watched Dr. Mike would know he's not the type to edit deceptively and so forth. He presents from knowledge and on rare occasion when he disagrees with his peers he always states that this is his opinion. Anyway Dr. Mike love you bro. Keep doing what you're doing. Thanks for caring!

[@LEFT4BASS]

Mad respect to Dr. Mike. In the original react video and in this video, he was polite, and presented a well-informed, intelligent opinion. He never disparaged Adam. I’ve liked a lot of Adam Ruins Everything, but Adam’s reaction was a let-down. Adam struck me as as the type who would take criticism well and be happy to hear other perspectives, but his tweet came of as snarky and defensive. I hope for a better response next time. Good job Dr. Mike.

[@YunisRajab]

Watch Adam on the Joe Rogan podcast and you'll never want to see him again

[@jasonmillsom2981]

Watch Joe Rogan interview to see the real let down

[@edd542]

I followed some of the sources the show uses for information and it really ruined the show for me. The show has a really heavy left wing bias and as a result they cherry pick evidence and never offer contradictory evidence for some of the topics on the show.

[@andrewgehl5913]

This is what I like about DR Mike he explains his comments without sounding defensive unlike Adam

[@asahamlin4452]

You have 100 likes and it’s a hearted comment, yet no comments on this until now

[@ripples1072]

"unlike Adam" unnecessary dig

[@neontime8507]

dad likes because some things don’t demand responses

[@andrewgehl5913]

@dad likes I don't ever recall wanting comments or likes I just stayed my opinion and @ripples L are you Adam?

[@raymonddavis1370]

AND THAT is why he just denied all the very real points made by the Adam program and painted the American health care system and all doctors as faultless and sainted in the first reaction clip.

[@Yoshimiko951]

I really enjoyed Adam Ruins Everything for a while, 'til one of his episodes really upset me. I'm amazed at how you can stay so calm & collected through this. Good on you, man!

[@wyattwilliams2457]

Which one and if you do not want to to talk about it is fine.

[@ranelgallardo7031]

@@wyattwilliams2457 I assume it might be the hospital one

[@08fighter08]

Good job. This is how you have a conversation and discuss criticisms. Bring in your facts and compare them to further the conversation. And if need be, expand the explanation. I came across these topics during my Masters classes, and there is so much more information to be discussed about the American healthcare system.

[@gottesurteil3201]

Yeah I believe anyone who thinks the healthcare discussion is a simple one is trying to sell me something.

[@vitoriaLouise15]

Dr. Mike couldn't hold back the chuckle at the " I respectfully reject your criticism." Also, regular mammograms which lead to early detection save many lives, including my mother's, so please always speak out on them.

[@kev3d]

I'm glad your mom is okay!

[@jolenejoleeene]

I just want to thank you for caring so much. My PCP is like you, it's obvious that she cares greatly about her work and her patients. As someone with persistent MDD, caring about my own health is a difficult concept, but having a physician willing to join you in the fight helps immensely. I realize this probably has little to do with this specific video, other than your caring demeanor and openness to understanding alternative viewpoints reminded me so much of my own experience and perspective.

[@connergates9605]

Dr. Mike, I’m glad you have the platform you do. I have political aspirations, and I realize that the healthcare system in America is very expensive. I’ve always seen profits as a reason, but not the main reason, and I’ve been called heartless and cruel for not immediately jumping on proposals like price fixing or taxpayer funded universal healthcare. I’m glad that you point out the other factors that are raising costs, because it allows for more productive and less divisive solutions. It’s from watching your videos that I’ve decided if/when I enter the political sphere, I need to sit down with people within the medical field to discuss the best plans, instead of trying to solve the problems with just an outside perspective. Thank you. (I’m 16, btw)

[@TrinnyWinny]

Always amazing. Thanks, Dr. Mike. This was probably one of the nicest comebacks I’ve seen on KZbin. Ever. Such good information.

[@TheHDStation]

Doctor Mike, If a producer comes up to you and asks if you would like a daytime television show. Please say NO! You're good where you're at. Buuuut, if Netflix comes to you... maybe... I could see you with an informative and interesting show. Just don't become a hack like Dr. Oz.

[@kouseiblack8289]

Not even netflix. The second you sign on with a producer you leash yourself to demands to become bigger and more successful at any cost. The self-propelled nature of a youtube channel let's him stay focused on the entire reason the show exists. As soon as he signs on with a producer he's going to be pressed into slanted and click-baity topics. I actually think that's what happened to Adam, the kinds of nuance that Dr. Mike presents does not speak to the lowest common denominator and thus isn't efficient at drawing in large audiences.

[@sangwoohan1177]

Netflix is going to be bankrupt with Disney coming in anyway.

[@tjl102]

lols probs not netflix worked its way into our hearts, and groins (netflix and chill) disney and chill is something to do with your kids, not a lover.

[@eagle3676]

@@tjl102 actually Disney alone won't kill it. But WB, DC, HBO, Disney and everyone else having their own streaming services will make them all cable again essentially and that is what could kill Netflix. That's why Netflix is laser focused on originals. Originals will keep people on a service or bring them there. Like cobra Kai and Wayne and Mind field for KZbin premium or Doom Patrol, swamp thing, young justicem Harley Quinn, stargirl and titans for DC universe

[@Zlittlepenguin]

Kousei Black I dunno, Netflix is pretty hands off about their shows. That’s why there’s so much crazy shit on there like black mirror. You think netflix forced black mirror to be 3 episodes long for season 5? You think three episodes is going to take in the dough? Nah, that’s why shows like “norm has a show” (or whatever) we’re allowed to come off of KZbin and basically be the exact same thing on Netflix.

[@rexana_rexana]

Lol, adam kinda sounded butt hurt

[@blackbird7781]

He did sound butt hurt as hell

[@tommyellis7728]

He always is when someone smarter than him debates him and debunks his arguments.

[@KlintKaras]

He's still sore from Joe rogan verbally spanking him.

[@SwordTune]

Tends to happen, when one is butt hurt.

[@christinev5089]

His ego was definitely bruised! He missed a great opportunity for growth & learning something new

[@charlotterobinson6044]

Did he really come out here and say "I reject this criticism"

[@rimfire8217]

HaHa.

[@teraphIl1000]

Adam should know that being completely unable to accept criticism is not a good look!

[@joshuawhittick4496]

yessss

[@AnonymousUser77254]

He's a grade A moron.

[@caman225]

Gotta love an assessment of a critical conversation about the healthcare industry that’s judged on the exclusive merit of who seems less annoying. Our country has a bright future indeed.

[@yeahkeen2905]

Philippe Parle Peu didn’t he make an entire episode on handling criticism?

[@JuanGamb]

Adam is a beta Male 👍🏻

[@alexisriggs9946]

I loved this episode. No offense to Adam but I think your videos are a lot more precise at getting towards the issue. I love the Adam Ruins Everything show and its a great intro into different topics, but the average person doesn’t continue their knowledge on the topic with research and sometimes episodes can lead people to wrong conclusions. Maybe my mind works differently from others, but I have thoroughly enjoyed how you give information. Thanks Doctor Mike!

[@shinekire]

I didn't know that administration costs were so high. I am now less ignorant than I was yesterday!

[@derrickb427]

It's even scarier with pediatrics and geriatrics, where administrators and people that handle insurance often make more money than their nursing counterparts, despite many of those administrative jobs requiring less education. The worst part is that it's almost a necessary evil to ensure that people get covered if they have limited or no ability to moniter their own finances and healthcare. Insurance alone, like Dr Mike in this episode and the last, is INSANELY complex and lacks intuitiveness when coupled with modern healthcare costs.

[@SaintDaisley]

I will never get back the half second I spent trying to brush your profile picture off my monitor.

[@TheBusyJane]

Adam probably didn't know that either.

[@HavingAnother1]

I have deleted so many attempts at writing how awesome I felt your response to this video was and just decided to say it. Awesome. I wish I could channel your maturity next time my brother tells me I’m wrong about something I KNOW for a fact I’m right about. Next level! So much respect for you!