Seasoned divorce e lawyer here. I am so happy that modern technology exists so people like Dr. Ramani have a platform to explain narcissistic personality disorder. Get educated. Vet very carefully. Do NOT marry or get into a long term relationship with a narcissist. Stay safe out there!
@eileencaudillo27972 жыл бұрын
Yes her info is very knowledgeable, the abuse I went through was inberabl, I self-esteem is much better, take care 🙂
@TinaLouise732 жыл бұрын
I attract nasty narcs like a magnet! N not the repellent ones either! :(
@kaitlinjensen2 жыл бұрын
@@TinaLouise73 seems like I do too, so now I have a dog instead.
@judithparris18182 жыл бұрын
Wish my poor mother knew this 60 years ago! Too late now🤷🏾♀️
@xyaeiounn2 жыл бұрын
I'm no fool and I wasn't when I met my covert narcissist wife. It took years for the act to slip and then it completely fell away.
@themontrealyankee2 жыл бұрын
My narcissistic mother recently discovered this channel, and now sees narcissists everywhere, except in the mirror
@melanieroe24102 жыл бұрын
Woops :(
@studyjunkie25462 жыл бұрын
😂 😂 😂 😂
@tanyat48542 жыл бұрын
😂👌
@bundydryandlime2 жыл бұрын
The scary thing is, i think I might have fallen into this category. Learned so much lately and I don't like what I see around me or of myself...... Change is hard but is sometimes needed
@tanyat48542 жыл бұрын
@@bundydryandlime It's just a maybe. As far as I know, a person has to go through a lot of tests with a psychiatrist to be marked in that category. Every person in the world is a bit narcissistic. Even empaths. It is not the same as NPD.
@JOEYNOSEBEATS2 жыл бұрын
This part: "We live in a world where narcissism is incentivized and rewarded..." Preach!
@lisamartinez68992 жыл бұрын
Yes they do and they even have their “Squads” of flying monkeys that help destroy you !
@cc1k4352 жыл бұрын
@@learningenglishthroughtran8540 "Preach!" just means "I agree, keep talking this way!" Kind of like shouting, "Amen!" at a church sermon.
@justmichael66282 жыл бұрын
This is very true . Especially when you see all the advertisements they make with Adults speaking with children's voices . Such as the pizza and gummy commercials . Their trying to normalize Narcissism behavior . It's bad enough that we have adult children in places of power and authority with out honor or integrity showing only self-entitlement .
@semperfiarcher2 жыл бұрын
@@cc1k435 Agreed. "Preach!" is an American saying, so it makes as much sense to non-Americans as "Oath" means to non-Australians.
@j.lauren85182 жыл бұрын
So sad.
@lonnieljones2 жыл бұрын
"Do narcissists know they are narcissists?" They don't use that term as a rule, they simply know they're the only one who knows anything and they're always RIGHT!
@shirleyann19012 жыл бұрын
You are absolutely right.
@vtcook19302 жыл бұрын
Lol…damnit
@buddhacook10872 жыл бұрын
Yep, u got that right.
@artistelaine10612 жыл бұрын
The one in my life was very incensed when I mentioned that he was obviously a narcissist (frankly a covert narcissist)! Apparently he doesn't like that honest description-maybe even really doesn't realize that it fits perfectly!
@Lonnie_Jones_Photography2 жыл бұрын
@@artistelaine1061 The Coverts are the WORST in my experience. The overt ones are so obvious it's easy to spot and avoid them. The covert ones take awhile to detect and by the time you catch on, they've already begun to abuse you.
@freedombug112 жыл бұрын
I remember once having an epiphany that my mother MUST know that her behavior is wrong because of the way she hides/misrepresents it around other people. If they didn't know it was wrong, they would behave the same way around everyone.
@janeemkay74842 жыл бұрын
Good point.
@lauraswann55432 жыл бұрын
🎯 Thank you!
@stevenk-brooks68522 жыл бұрын
Wow! A great example of something which becomes obvious after someone points it out, yet somehow might not have been noticed even though it was right in front of you. Thank you, Privacy Freedom.
@freedombug11 Жыл бұрын
@@stevenk-brooks6852 I'm glad that was helpful!
@klaythoring1326 Жыл бұрын
That paired well with my discovery that my secrecy to protect the abusive people in my life was hamstringing my getting acceptance and health. So what if they are upset that I’ve said true things? They care more about that than the damage done to me…it’s my story to tell as much as anyone else’s.
@nyxdanvers74802 жыл бұрын
I believe they know that their behavior is wrong, which is why most of them preach about privacy and how “what happens in the home stays in the home”, because they don’t want people to know their tricks or for others to point out the abuse and support us to leave and thus they lose their supply. So regardless if they know they’re a narcissist or not, they do know their behavior is self-serving regardless of how it affects others and don’t care.
@JS-co3eo2 жыл бұрын
Agree
@brimstone332 жыл бұрын
Not that simple. They may know their behavior is self-serving regardless of how it affects others and don’t care. And they may not think there is anything wrong with that at all. Think of it like this. For the longest time in human history some people kept other people as slaves. They knew they were exploiting those slaves, they knew those slaves suffered physically and emotionally. And the slave owners were perfectly OK with that, they even saw it as their (sometimes God-given) right to own other people. Even non-slave owners thought slavery was peachy-keen. This only changed when there was a huge global shift in morality after enough people realized the immorality of slave ownership and laws against it were enacted. In fact if those laws did not exist, there are still plenty of people around today who would be perfectly OK owning slaves. Narcissist need hard boundries, like laws and other measures, to fence in their toxic behaviors exactly because they DON'T see exploiting others as wrong.
@nyxdanvers74802 жыл бұрын
@@brimstone33 I agree. What I’m saying is just because they personally don’t feel like it’s wrong they know others will think so and thus try to isolate and keep their supply quiet so that others don’t learn the truth of the situation and teach their supply that they’re being manipulated and abused, in turn risking the supply from leaving and they lose their supply.
@aloysiusdevanderabercrombi4702 жыл бұрын
They do not change.
@johnpaulsawan19902 жыл бұрын
This was my dads mantra after he abandoned us and left the country. He knew my mom was abusing me physically, emotionally, and more. He eventually came back due to pressure from his family but he aggressively gaslights us.
@all-hands2 жыл бұрын
The best advice I ever got was "if someone tells you they are toxic or hurt people, believe them". These people will often tell you what others have said about them, hoping you will disagree. Pay close attention, their past partners probably knew more than you do now.
@grayhalf18542 жыл бұрын
I asked my ex what her ex-husband would likely say about her. She answered that he would say that she's an angry gold-digging bitch. In fairness to her I didn't see the gold digging (I didn't let things get that far) but the anger, wow, never seen anything like it in my life. It's weird that she was actually quite candid about certain things that didn't exactly paint her in the best light (for example that all her friends told her that she should never have kids, and when she did get pregnant that she should have an abortion)... I wonder whether she felt compelled to self-disclose somehow, for reasons that were opaque even to her. Once I'd worked out she likely had a cluster B personality disorder a lot of what she'd told me made a lot more sense. I would have thought that she would do everything to avoid giving herself away but looking back she definitely gave me clues, almost from day one. Weird.
@queengoblin2 жыл бұрын
"I fuck everything up" 🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩
@jettstap2 жыл бұрын
That is so true narcissistic people drop hints very early to test how far they can push or what others will tolerate in their search for victims - it might be done in a comical away like laughing while admitting they are selfish
@amojak2 жыл бұрын
@@grayhalf1854 interesting, i had similar and i assume it is because their position of being right means they cannot see anything wrong with their behaviours and as they have zero concern in reality for your feelings, they have no reason not to tell you.
@leonab5452 жыл бұрын
I noticed that a narc that my friend has to deal with tells him “I don’t care” quiet often. And it’s when he states his feelings or how exhausted he is before she wants him to do one more chore. I said, wow, she’s actually honest here, she doesn’t just care about how you are feeling, your health, etc And it’s true, he had a healthy crisis and she blamed him for ruining the holidays, didn’t do one caring thing, actually ended up leaving him to enjoy her holidays as planned, except now he wasn’t available for extra chores as per usual. And upon her return, she just went back to giving him tasks to do, not a single word about how he is doing and if he needs anything, not a single offer of maybe you need a day off to recover more? Nope, they are such users and they tell you as much of you pay attention.
@246trixie2 жыл бұрын
I think they know they are being cruel to someone, but they truly believe the person deserves it
@Lisa-s7xАй бұрын
❤thank u for your comment. The thing is my malignant husband insists he gets groceries, and comes back home with half of what’s on the list, and says I do not Deserve it. This goes on and on and makes me physically sick 😢 One example of his cruelty. I’m 😅 happy now cuz I see who he is and working on recovery and breaking free. I’m so grateful for Dr Ramani 🎉🎉🎉
@TheColbles20092 жыл бұрын
I’ve had some strong narcissistic tendencies in my life that has changed over the years. Going from the grandiose overt narcissist to slipping into depression and going the covert route. It was a long process over around a decade. The whole time I saw myself as the “good guy” in every scenario. Like I always felt that my opinion was the final authority and I took it as a threat when somebody’s opinion differed. It’s a terrible feeling realizing all of the pain you caused other people when reality hits you. I can’t undo my actions and words from the past, I just try to do better every day. So yeah I belong to group 2. And I thank God above for allowing me to sober up a little mentally.
@jasoncheshire6153 Жыл бұрын
This is my wife. Can you please let me know if you changed enough to consider yourself healthy enough to have a healthy relationship? I’m strongly considering divorce. I can’t do this anymore it’s been 10 years.
@lukekiefer5964 Жыл бұрын
@@jasoncheshire6153People are variable. That guy’s experience likely won’t be the same as your wife
@leticiakabz5635 Жыл бұрын
How did you find out that you had a problem? The person in my life seems not to know that there is something very wrong.
@TheColbles2009 Жыл бұрын
@@jasoncheshire6153I’m sorry to hear that. I’m not sure if I’ll ever be 100% normal compared to a healthy person. I just gave my life up one day to the lord Jesus Christ and he saved me. I didn’t become perfect, but almost instantly I could recognize when I was being a jerk,, subtly or openly. Still do. I pray that you find peace with your wife and that y’all can work it out.
@TheColbles2009 Жыл бұрын
@@leticiakabz5635 ironically I’d been watching surviving narcissisms channel and dr ramani’s as well. I was watching them to justify my unwarranted negative feelings about someone else lol. I was also on a spiritual journey which eventually led to me giving my life to the Lord Jesus Christ. He opened my eyes to a lot of what I truly was, and it didn’t feel good. I’ve been leaning on him for healing from my own self inflicted damage, and it’s a battle some days but it’s definitely much better than the past life I was living.
@lacy04092 жыл бұрын
I was an only child surrounded by adult narcissists, histrionics, and enablers. I see now how much my self-trust and decision-making abilities were affected by their abuse. Today I get dismissed or berated for calling them out, but I know my feelings are valid and true. It's a breath of fresh air to hear Dr. Ramani articulate so many things that were weird when I grew up.
@daver17872 жыл бұрын
Good for you!
@RawOlympia2 жыл бұрын
Shout out, another only child here who went thru it with only monsters about - so glad you made it, these chans are so deeply edifying. It makes it hard to protect oneself, because I was not allowed to. Just realized that I could have used this advice and wisdom 30 years ago.
@solobano5702 жыл бұрын
Same here. It left me insecure for life and the worst to hear is when someone nastily says “you are just like them!” My biggest fear is to be like them. I have lots of genuine empathy, but life presents you with lots of challenges and sometimes I overreact, true. However, I find it really painful when relative in anger says ‘you are just like your father!’ So, the society or family makes the recovery impossible; any moment in behavior that they don’t like, they would easily dismiss by you are just like the narcissist so and so…Even when the fault is on their side. I find it easier to withdraw into my work.
@lacy04092 жыл бұрын
@@solobano570 This is too accurate! Toxic families almost want you to turn out crappy so they can blame you for their issues. Work is appealing because people have to act right and treat you professionally. As I type this, I'm getting ready for my commute super early so I can get out of here. I moved back to my childhood home to help my widowed stepmom, and my histrionic mom in the next town over -- but now it's all become so clear. The perfectionism, enabling, bullying, etc. Looking forward to work, and getting away from the toxicity. Insecurity can be healed with nutrition, rest, and caring for your physical body. If you wouldn't put a child in the line of fire with those people, then don't be around them either. You don't have to associate with toxic "family."
@crystalbluewire33392 жыл бұрын
@Lacy Holmes, Yes they want you to turn out crappy. They need a scapegoat to fortify their interiority. Usually they are obsessed with your life , what you do for a living and what your home LOOKS like on Google Earth. MNPD only want compliance , admiration, and servitude. They hate to be uncomfortable. Their betrayal to you , about you, is part of their game and set up for you to do what they did to you. They have no humanity or accountability .But they sure feel their own pain. Aww. . .
@wumologia2 жыл бұрын
I once asked one of those Group 4 people: "Would you rather be always right or would you rather have friends?" They answered angrily: "I want to have friends who understand that I'm right!" I realised that this relationship had no future.
@karishort18912 жыл бұрын
Wow...lol holy crap
@allisonbaxter64392 жыл бұрын
Asked my narcissist ex, "would you rather be right or happy?" He said, "I'd rather be happily right."
@sweetluvgurl2 жыл бұрын
It’s kinda mind blowing to me that anyone can assume they are always right. We all have issues that limit us in different ways. Also, I feel like being “right” is often subjective anyway. Many people have different views on many aspects. Who is to say who is really “right”? I think on very few aspects can people definitely agree something is “right” or “wrong.” Otherwise, it’s simply just their view.
@mikimiki62022 жыл бұрын
The response I received...was being right
@blakec8549 Жыл бұрын
Huh, my ex asked me this one once. The right or happy varient. I told her I don't know how to be happy. I wonder if she was testing to see if I was a narcissist?
@kalpanasinha80452 жыл бұрын
I was with someone who was in group 3 and I was the only one who ever held him accountable for anything but after a while it was easier to look the other way rather than deal with his wrath. When we finally went to couples therapy he accused the therapist of taking my side and after a while stopped going. I continued to go to therapy to help me deal with him and one day he thanked me to continue going to therapy because he said I really needed it. He had no idea why I was still going. In the end when I called him out on something he did, he stormed out of my life. A week later begged me to take him back but I really couldn’t allow it. It’s the best thing that happened to me.
@Renee19192 жыл бұрын
I was with a group 2 and when I brought up therapy he would get so furious. He said there was nothing therapy could improve for him because he didn't think it worked. He said therapy was for people who actually needed it and he can work out his problems on his own. I have personally been I therapy for many years and he would also say to me "I know you need to have your therapy appointments" and things like that. Lol like kind of in a way saying I had issues I needed help with and that was something that was below him. It's so toxic. Therapy is a beautiful thing and narcissistic people seem to have such a problem with it. Probably the not wanting to be held responsible for their ways has something big to do with that.
@pbandjedi50062 жыл бұрын
I was with a group 3 too. Tried therapy 2 different times, both times he just lied to the therapist and made me look crazy, unstable and controlling. He would never admit to anything, sensitive narc. Everyone else was always the AH. I doubt he would ever do self reflection - living with him was very much like living with a young spoiled teenager.
@jugg91402 жыл бұрын
he he he he, so many girls dont know narcissist. There are more female narcissist than a male narcissist.
@marysullivan18152 жыл бұрын
Not reacting to their gaslighting is for the best .Then they realise you don't get affected
@katarina99832 жыл бұрын
@em p My mother says exactly the same thing about her doing it on her own. I tried demystifying therapy saying that you might get an idea about the situation from the therapist that you wouldn't even think of (because you're stuck in your self righteous patterns, but I didn't say that part). She got mad saying she didn't need people's ideas. If she was going to get a new idea it would be from god putting it in there. She's even threatened by someone having an idea. Her self identity is so fragile. I understand it, growing up with her mother, but come on. She's gotten so self righteous and religious lately it's barely possible to have a conversation about the weather.
@1LyriSis2 жыл бұрын
If they do or they don't know they are narcissists, they know exactly what they do to others!
@deebrown16882 жыл бұрын
I agree
@yasminenasser-rafi36962 жыл бұрын
They don't care at all about hurting others or the affect of what their words and obnoxious behavior does to others.
@waynenorris57112 жыл бұрын
I think mine knew what she was doing but in her mind that's what everyone does so it makes it okay for her to do unto others before they do unto her. I hope this might help in your healing. It's been a hard and confusing road for me.
@p.w.3522 жыл бұрын
Exactly, which is why we are always on our guard around them.
@jlesliebark86102 жыл бұрын
I disagree. Prior to realizing I was narcissistic, I had no idea the effect I had on other people. I was so self absorbed I would manipulate to get my way. I had no empathy and never even thought about what I was saying and how it affected people. I only thought about myself and how I felt and if I got what I wanted. I know now that I have done some serious damage and I have such great remorse for it. I still slip into the rage and embarrassment cycle that Dr. Ramani spoke of, but I have grown and for that I am thankful.
@effortlesssuccess2585 Жыл бұрын
I call Narcs out all the time. It’s healing and therapeutic. It also stops the Narc with their antagonistic, abusive and destructive behaviour. They won’t want to feel and shame and humiliation. So they stop the Narc behaviour in my presence. Whether they stop it altogether is another matter. But I know when they are dealing with me, they don’t care to showcase those traits I have called them out on. Because I will beat their ego to a pulp and they will not have a leg to stand on once I am done with them.
@juliesnuffin980711 күн бұрын
Wish I could do that.
@paulcoffman98412 жыл бұрын
Living with narcissist is like living in the Twilight Zone.
@empressaissatou62504 ай бұрын
😂 spot on! 🤦🏾♀️
@drazicmilosovic10652 жыл бұрын
The narcs I’ve encountered seem to regard the approach as just “taking care of business”. If they get what they want; the end justifies the means. If they fail; well…..it’s your fault.
@pulidobl2 жыл бұрын
This!!
@RevTox2 жыл бұрын
LOL! Yeah, with my ex, I never would have found such a wonderful house, if it wasn't for her and her family, but whenever anything would go wrong or need repair with the house, it was all my fault and she told me not to buy that house. If anything ever went wrong, it was my fault, even if I did whatever she said or suggested, and especially if I didn't. Of course, she told me I was the manipulative one. How dare I try to suggest she treat me right now and then?
@deborahlindsay36702 жыл бұрын
I once went in a date with a guy who told me his wife’s therapist said he was a narcissist. His attitude in saying it was , “Can you believe it - how crazy is that? What, me?” I did not go out with him again!!
@oscarwilliamson61632 жыл бұрын
Deborah Lindsay,You are beautiful,You don't need a narcissist in your life.....
@patfilippelli21912 жыл бұрын
smart move!
@denny4142 жыл бұрын
Good girl
@LoveBeliefTruth Жыл бұрын
Haha, some people never talk about what they themselves did in critical manner in therapy
@kimberlyhovis5864 Жыл бұрын
It sounds like you dodged a bullet there. Good for you!
@TheKadeRose2 жыл бұрын
They are more concerned about what they want than what others want or need.
@randomsasquatchwithwifi40902 жыл бұрын
My now ex used to say "Im just telling the truth", when it was entirely something he conjured up in his mind to fit his narrative. Once you are away from the narcissist for some time, you see very clearly many of the manipulations and gaslighting that had previously made you question yourself. Thank you, Dr. Ramani! I still say you are a treasure!
@RevTox2 жыл бұрын
Sounds like my ex, who I believe was a type 3.
@randomsasquatchwithwifi40902 жыл бұрын
@@RevTox which one is type 3?
@diannebrett40742 жыл бұрын
My mother would say the exact same thing
@SweetUniverse2 жыл бұрын
Thank you, Random Sasquatch 👍👍
@ct68522 жыл бұрын
Yeah they're just soooo concerned with The Truth...unless it's something about their feelings, or why they did what they did, or why they're attacking someone in the first place.
@grufaldior Жыл бұрын
I think I'm group 2. Or at least I want to be. I'm in a 7 year relationship with an empath and last week she said she wanted to end it. She is the one who found the narcissist definition and brought it it me. Initially, I tried to disprove it because its very hard to admit that I am narcissistic. I offered to go to therapy now that my eyes were opened, but im afraid it's too late. I want to thank you Dr. Ramani for this video and the one about narcissistic fatigue. My wife has been complaining for years about being tired and foggy as you described. I finally understand what I was doing to her all this time. I am deeply regretful of my behavior and pray that we can work it out for our kids sake.
@thedudeabides3138 Жыл бұрын
Wow. Good on you. Well done for recognising your own behaviour and how it impacts others, this is a truly remarkable breakthrough for a narcissist. I genuinely hope things work out for your family unit and that you get to enjoy the rest of your life (in particular) being a better person as a result of your epiphany.
@marcirobins51442 жыл бұрын
Do they know isn’t the question. Do they care? That’s the question. And they don’t care. Since they don’t care, what they know never comes into play.
@KeshiaK392 жыл бұрын
No they don't care, unfortunately
@jeffyou63402 жыл бұрын
They feel quite entitled to talk down to people or treat them less than dirt sporadically. After a while, you just GET IT, and move on from the their treatment
@tomerbauer2 жыл бұрын
Some care that they are hurting others but are incapable to be different.
@SamanthaParker-ir2gq6 ай бұрын
They probably do care but their illness distorts their lens. Step away if you're being hurt by all means but having the belief they don't care is likely inaccurate and causes everyone more pain. They are sick. They need help and compassion, sometimes they are not willing to help themselves and that's sad. But taking it personally is akin to being upset when a two year old smacks you. They are stuck in a developmentally delayed state. They are probably not all treatable and I am not advocating putting yourself In harms way, however we need to see it for what it is, a sickness. Holding on to the pain as if they could have treated you better or that they acted in malice only adds to the pain and trauma to everyone.
@waithakahrukuh62214 ай бұрын
That’s so true . My ex told me he doesn’t care about truth or honesty and that really clicked well
@j-ak85452 жыл бұрын
Yes. And being a narcissist is part of their insecurity/shame. To point out they’re a narcissist is like shining a light on every insecurity they have! Be prepared if you do call ‘em out
@onlyonekiney2 жыл бұрын
My Narcs husband for over 30 years was clueless to his disjunction! I’m out running for my life. He told me that no one can stop him! Get house. I left my home, but guess what friends, IT SAVED MY LIFE! I’m out at 60 and will start all over, I’m happy, I’m joyful and able to worship my God the way I’m supposed to. I’m soo excited about my new love of my journey and the future of my business. YEAH Run for your life, I DID! There life after this relationship! I’m in therapy I hike, I travel I love people, I’m living for the first time in a very very long time. I would shrink so he’s comfortable, I was an enabler! Stepping on me all the way! Shame on me! Life is a beautiful journey and I’m all for it.
@srm472 жыл бұрын
I had a parent like this and even when I directly confronted her she would not accept it. She never did, never apologised. If you are looking for ownership from them or remorse, forget it.
@summydots2 жыл бұрын
You can approach them with solid evidence for all you like, they will still deny it. It's basically their mantra, "deny deny deny I take it to the grave with me"
@markusfreund69612 жыл бұрын
Thank you, now I understand why the label "narcissist" never quite seemed 100% fitting for my mother. A spoiled, sheltered, privileged, yet also emotionally deprived and traumatized, upper class princess, histrionic to boot with a possible side helping of bipolar, both her parents being heavily traumatized from WW2, emotionally inept and as hopelessly stuck in their 19th century ways as was the norm for that generation. I understand why she put me on a pedestal while, at the same time, constantly devaluating me and doing her brutal best to keep me insecure, dependent, and disenfranchised. She could switch gears between furious hysterics and dramatic self-pity at the drop of a hat. My father, who'd been raised like a leashed dog by his alsatian-breeding stepfather, was not only way too weak to reign her in but actually believed that mother must be obeyed, no matter what, end of story. To quote the late, great Terry Pratchett, my parents were so out of their depth that the fish had lights on their heads. They were emotionally crippled, mentally stunted, and stuck in a nightmarish "more of the same" vicious cycle with no way to help themselves. In hindsight, I realize they really did the best they could. Given their intellectual and emotional equipment, it's a miracle they didn't both die in an argument with a traffic sign or a lamp pole. Luckily, their behaviour was so outrageously stupid, irrational, nonsensical and incoherent that, even as a child, I realized that they were the ones not functioning properly, not me. So I guess after decades of battling them and the demons they put into me, I've finally come full circle. Sorry for the rant, I trust you'll recognize it as self-therapy.
@TheNicoliyah2 жыл бұрын
Bless you for your insight, Im glad you made it through
@2bouha2 жыл бұрын
@lyndaslocs2 жыл бұрын
I'm glad you thrived in spite of this.
@markusfreund69612 жыл бұрын
Thank you for your kind replies. :-)
@LoveBeliefTruth2 жыл бұрын
Sounds similar in that I also always knew my parents were crazy, not normal, since very early age. Their thought processes were so nutty that there was never no doubt for me about that.
@theretrohippie91172 жыл бұрын
They might know, but they will never admit to it…in my experience they deflect it onto whoever is telling them they are narcissistic.
@gregorsamsa13642 жыл бұрын
Some of them have no problem admitting it at all
@kylaren63379 ай бұрын
Absolute facts. They’ll deny deny deny!
@ardent94222 жыл бұрын
I like that you broke it down into groups because you often hear that narcissism is a spectrum and by making these categories you defined the points on that spectrum. Some sort of graph or chart would really put this into visual perspective. The better you know who and what you're dealing with the easier its to prepare yourself, but still these relationships will never truly be easy.
@purvamandlik46962 жыл бұрын
So right! I need a visual too. Maybe descriptive names to these groups would also help.
@purvamandlik46962 жыл бұрын
Short summary of the groups based on insight level and behaviour range. Group 1: some insight, proud of their behaviour, rigid, grandiose. Never call out. Group 2: some insight, shame and anger cycle. May try to change, may slip back. Most difficult to leave due to the cognitive dissonance they cause. Group 3: no insight, angry, sociopathy, more risky, dangerous to call out, no hope for change. Group 4: no insight, not angry, but don't get why people reject them. Emotional famine, don't care, not likely to change.
@brimstone332 жыл бұрын
@@purvamandlik4696 OK Group 1 - Aware/apathetic Group 2 - Aware/conscientious Group 3 - Unaware/oppositional Group 4 - Unaware/apathetic Did I get that right?
@matthewatwood2072 жыл бұрын
I imagine, like most spectrums, it's a little more dynamic than that. A spectrum is closer to reality than a binary, but it's still oversimplifying. I.e. the autism "spectrum" and the political "spectrum." Spectrums allow people to continue the good/bad binary, just in a matter of degrees. So, the right wing can say that the left wing is all bad and vice verse, when the right is mostly narcissists and their enablers and the left's politicians calls the national guard on peaceful left wing protesters and continues most of the right wing's policies such as the patriot act, making democratic politicians the kind of narcissists that do performative "good," just so they look good. I.e, AOC doing a shift at a soup kitchen instead of confronting Texas Energy, Bernie Sanders doing his thing with a known race-baiter writing his speaches, Obama calling for hope and change and then filling his cabinet with bankers, and a whole bunch of dems appropriating an african scarf instead of confronting the white supremacy within the police force. In this way, the political "spectrum" actually helps hide the fact that narcissists are always clawing their way to power and obscures the fact that there are policies that both wings of this bird are ignoring for the sake of their campaign donors and lobbyists.
@janewild91502 жыл бұрын
So agree! I am always watching out..it’s fight or flight 24/7….
@delicate.mascara2 жыл бұрын
In my own observation of a group 3 and group 4, I'd say those types tend to do lots of projecting - calling other people narcissistic or selfish or lacking of empathy, so they understand those behaviors but totally can't recognize they are the ones doing them.
@5Demona52 жыл бұрын
My aunt is like this. She seems to be group 3, while I am a people pleaser. I'd be doing everything to keep her happy and she'd always say "You never do anything for me, never try to please me." Which of course was making my anxiety and suicidal thoughts skyrocket... till I moved out
@peterpan1482 жыл бұрын
I see that too
@agspeekz2 жыл бұрын
I'm a Group 2 narcissistic whose burnt-out by my behavior. Thank you Dr. Ramani for all that you do!!!!
@herbertsiegl77622 жыл бұрын
Good luck my friend
@a.s.h.a1182 жыл бұрын
Good luck on your journey
@YourTrademarkLawyer2 жыл бұрын
How did you find out? If you don’t mind me asking. What do you do to control yourself.
@charlyb72312 жыл бұрын
Well done and good for you. I can respect a person that realises the error of their ways and tries to do something about it. I feel like you guys in this group maybe didn't say or do those certain horrible things on purpose? Like you just didn't realise what you were causing. I feel like you still maybe had an element of empathy and awareness and shame- that's why you were able to recognise your behaviour and know that it's wrong? Am I right, or am I far off? Lol.
@MrXaihnz2 жыл бұрын
I thought I might be in the second category as well, but I worry I may have been closer to the third category with how ignorant I was to the problems and pain I caused. I hope you're doing better, and I hope all of us narcissists who realize can continue to do better.
@devonseamoor2 жыл бұрын
Without suggesting any form of condoning, I do believe, based on experience, that narcissistic people are at war with themselves on a deep hidden level, deeply traumatised, and in pain. It's impossible to live with all that, and, like people who create a 2nd personality within, to escape pain, narcissists create an attitude that gives them the sensation and experience of grandiosity As soon as what's underlying is triggered, all hell breaks lose, for the pain is felt. That's something that needs to be covered up at all costs, even at the cost of abuse of others. They're never happy, the power game is all they have and invest in, plus material gain, often.
@waithakahrukuh62214 ай бұрын
You out this up so beautifully and well explained.
@seventhchild72702 жыл бұрын
Narcissist or Not...I do Not let Anyone that is abusive, toxic, manipulating, negative, dark, callous, in my space, or my Life!.. There are so many of these wicked, dark people among us...I am an empath, somewhat introverted, peaceful...and spiritual not religious!...I meditate, pray, exercise moderately, eat a flexible vegetarian way of eating...maintain good mental, physical, emotional health... after my divorce years ago, I made the conscious decision to not marry again!...Having great, married, hardworking, grown children..I enjoy living a single, healthy, debt free, spiritual, simple, peaceful Life!
@MellowJelly2 жыл бұрын
its so much better to be solitary and just have a few trusted friends
@Mea_DS2 жыл бұрын
A good question that I've been asking for a while. It's always being projected back on me and causes me to question my own reality when I KNOW what I've heard, seen, felt, and treatment received. This is an exhausting battle that I've given up trying to figure out, but rather have finally been able to focus on my own healing and what I can control....which is my own actions and reactions.
@kmanderson2662 жыл бұрын
Anytime you are questioning your own reality as a result of a narcissists words or actions towards you, you are experiencing gaslighting. It is a form of emotional abuse. Good for you for choosing to care for yourself and work on healing.
@brimstone332 жыл бұрын
Sometimes the only winning move is to not play the game.
@Mea_DS2 жыл бұрын
@@brimstone33 Exactly 💯
@Mea_DS2 жыл бұрын
@@kmanderson266 Very true. Thank you for your response. It's truly exhausting. After 5 years of marriage I finally filed for divorce (almost 8 years together).
@Mea_DS2 жыл бұрын
@Tino thank you so much!
@kmanderson2662 жыл бұрын
Saved this one! What a great resource! It’s hard to believe and admit that your loved one is a narcissist when they do not present as a flaming, mean, malignant, grandiose narcissist. I am divorcing my “group 4” covert /vulnerable narcissist as I write this. It’s the hardest thing I’ve ever done. I know the narcissism has its origins in attachment trauma and childhood neglect. I am a counselor-In-training myself. I have a lot of compassion and understanding for my husband. And, he can’t or won’t see that there is anything wrong with his behavior so it never changes. The back and forth from seemingly kind and self aware to entitled and blaming is exhausting. It is toxic and it is abusive-whether he is aware of what he is doing or not. After trying radical acceptance and managing my expectations for 2 years I’ve discovered the emotional, mental and spiritual energy that requires is more than I am willing to spend. I’m grieving and I’m moving on. Thank you Dr. R. 💕 Your books, videos and webinars have been catalytic in my recovery and I’m so very grateful that you put out so much content for free!
@shnooklefritzer2 жыл бұрын
Wishing you all the best. I am am planning my path to freedom. My son is 16 and the decision to leave is so difficult to act upon. I am in trauma therapy and have regained my body and soul. Still working on getting hold of my confidence and sense of self. I was nearly eaten alive in this marriage.
@lizp54492 жыл бұрын
You have complete compassion from me and I'm sure from all of us,who have tried to understand and make the relationship work
@kmanderson2662 жыл бұрын
@@lizp5449 thanks. I filed for divorce on Friday. Good Friday, as it turns out. I didn’t plan it that way but as a person of faith it turns out to be a very meaningful “accident.” 💕
@mystrength56402 жыл бұрын
@@kmanderson266 I so miss my our Christian Friends/ Who we used to socialize with regularly! We only see his Flying monkeys now.. I have little in common with them…and I don’t give them personal information….! My Narc/ Has turned his Back on God about 5 years ago… ! Obviously COVID also had a big impact on this.. I pray you are happy in your Future! Jenny 🙏🏻💕🌸
@RobNiser5 ай бұрын
The more I learn about narcissism the better I can protect myself against it, thank you very much👍👍
@unusualviolin67616 ай бұрын
I need a small space to vent here, but first I would like to say that’s probably the best video I’ve ever heard on this topic. I’ve come to realize that I’m in a narcissistic relationship, and upon realizing that I actually feel better but still unfortunately I’m trapped in the relationship due “ My Reason “, I got into the relationship to begin with, which was as a coping mechanism for my inability or less than adequate ability to attract the type of females that I’m attracted to. This is due to my upbringing and social rejection that I encountered growing up so I attracted, a fake person. And I fully realize that it’s a fake person now and probably did back then too, but simply allowed it due to my insecurities in the area of dating. Lastly, I would like to add for any that may be reading this post as potential help for them, I’ve come to realize that it’s better to focus on yourself and improving every aspect of your life in hopes to attract a person that has similar interests, as opposed to reversing that order and seeking a person before you work on yourself.
@jfdc84322 жыл бұрын
I was originally going to say ‘no they don’t know and can’t admit it cuz that would mean there’s something wrong with them”. After watching this I see that there’s so much more to it! Thank you
@goshi1322 жыл бұрын
😒😎😁😜😢 The ones who are at the receiving end.
@cc1k4352 жыл бұрын
They know, and don't ever seem to want to do anything about it.
@jfdc84322 жыл бұрын
@@cc1k435 apparently you didn't watch the video - it's not as simple as that
@Yung_Pirlo2 жыл бұрын
I called out my narcissistic sadistic father, and from that moment on I was dead to the family. for me it wasn't about saving the relation but about justice and self preservation. Staying in my family would have driven me to suicide. If we keep on turning our heads things will never change.
@hissyfitz78902 жыл бұрын
7 suicides in my narcissistic family of origin. Thankful for my self preservation instincts.
@FlyingBirdSs2 жыл бұрын
I´m sorry to hear that... Good that you stood up for yourself, and for all the injustices that have happened, and what is still going on. I hope you are on a safe place now with some loving people around you. What was your role in the narcissistic family dynamic may i ask? Do you also have brothers and sisters? My family has also turned against me after I started confronting my narcissistic father. I have stood up for all the injustices that have happened within our family, and are still happening, but I have not received any support from anyone in the family. The abuse still continues everyday towards my mother... and family members don't do anything about it. Take care of yourself and put yourself first now.
@ChristopherMHeaps2 жыл бұрын
Same.
@noraabdulla24862 жыл бұрын
How do wvoid want around tu all time
@Myob082 жыл бұрын
Kudos to you for standing your ground. Shame on the others who turned the other cheek 🫂
@RyanOlsen2 жыл бұрын
Dr. Ramani, In case you somehow don't realize this, you're saving lives with these videos you make. Your knowledge and insight just flow from you, and it's simply amazing that you can be so in touch with this subject. Thank you so much for sharing your gift!
@BlinkinFirefly2 жыл бұрын
I enthusiastically second this!!
@lauralynboccuzzi43742 жыл бұрын
I was married to a Group 1 narcissist and finally “escaped” after 29 years! It was a hugely disfunctional marriage! I didn’t even know what narcissism was; I just used to tell friends he was a JOY SUCKER!
@alannapryce20122 жыл бұрын
Yes, yes, yes, they do. I have no problem calling them out.
@bangkokstevie2 жыл бұрын
My ex wife would have occasional moments of clarity where she would realise that her behaviour was abusive and causing problems not only to those around her but to her own life too and the way people viewed her but those moments wouldn't last long she'd soon be back to her regular traits. I've been no contact with her for over 20 years now, I hear she hasn't changed.
@MrNikhilgherwar2 жыл бұрын
Occasionally moments ..
@Jess-kn8vl2 жыл бұрын
Sometimes I get lonesome for the narcs and I ask myself a couple questions and then Im like nope nope nope I dont miss that! No thank you!
@Nancy-yw1rr2 жыл бұрын
My ex had moments of clarity about himself, but he would always later deny that he had admitted it to me. Gaslighting!
@BonnieCreoleSpirit2 жыл бұрын
No contact is really the only way to go and I hope most people can do it. These narcs are dangerous...it is heartbreaking the harm that they do. I am not contact with my mom and she still scares the hell out of me. The gaslighting alone literally makes me ill.
@Nancy-yw1rr2 жыл бұрын
@Brian G Narcissists avoid vulnerability like the plague. I'm guessing she recognized that confessing her true thoughts to you would make her vulnerable. I know my ex viewed vulnerability as weakness. I think they believe others will pounce on them and try to gain power over them (as they themselves would do) if they show any real humanity. That's why they'd rather leave a relationship than open up. It's so pathetic that they see others this way.
@Hasna2562 жыл бұрын
Nodding my head through the whole description of group four. I've seen what damage a person of that group can do. Their lack of understanding of what they do wrong is what can get them sympathy and endless new chances because people around them think they should just try harder in explaining things to them. But luckily I've also seen how people who know more about toxic behaviors can come to a point where they stop giving chances.
@MorganFrancophile2 жыл бұрын
Fear of exposure and playing victim is proof they know there is something to cover up.
@latsnojokelee64342 жыл бұрын
Yep, when I got into a texting fight with a narcissist, I literally made bullet points of all the really nasty behavior on their part. They had no come back because I’ve never treated them badly. Their response was the victimization talk about how I had made them feel bad. That seems to be the pattern with our Narcissists-- Put other people down, being nasty, but then when you get called out for it, start crying about how you’re just trying to “help” the other person, or you’ve made me feel bad.
@tooakki2 жыл бұрын
absolutely
@jenniferphan27562 жыл бұрын
I called the police when my Narc threw an aluminium whiteboard at me. While they were on their way she said "You've made it worse for yourself by calling the police." I have it secretly recorded, but she will 100% deny saying it. When the police placed a restraining order on her, she wrote on the Order "Let this be a reminder of how much hurt you've caused." These people are well aware of their abusive behaviour, it just benefits them to play victim. For a long time I wondered if she truly had that little self awareness, but the the saddest thing is is that they DO know what they're doing. They just don't care. When I discovered that the abuse was deliberate, it just shook me that someone could be so heinous on purpose.
@Freetown009 ай бұрын
@@latsnojokelee6434When I called out my narc brother he looked so shocked he actually paused and stopped talking for a second (FOR ONCE!) and after that he just screamed and yapped insults like a 5 year old. The same way he bullied me my whole life, except he’s like 26 years old now 🤦🏻♀️it’s crazy how time goes by yet a narc doesn’t mature emotionally at all. They basically act like Disney villains, so shameful and childish.
@eileenshannon18612 жыл бұрын
I love how passionate but at the same time irritated dr. Ramani is when talking about a Narcissist.. the facial expressions say it all! I really look up to her, I enjoy and learn from her videos.. excellent work!
@donnaedwards51152 жыл бұрын
And if they are older, they will never change.
@Blinkgirlsareperfect2 жыл бұрын
My mother is a narcissist and my mom raised me so her way of parenting was all I knew. The part that is hell is I’ve learned and mirrored her ways and I absolutely hate that part of me. After I realized she was a narcissist I then realized I had to seek help( therapy) I moved away from her and went no contact and thought I was saved. It was then that I saw then that I finally Experienced my own narcissistic symptoms because now I had time to focus on who I was as a person without her narcissist chaos so basically me moving opened up the after math of the abuse. I have to relearn haw to parent my kids the right way. I’m so angry because they are older now( 4 boys ages 16,14,12,5)…..I struggle everyday with this because she taught me how to talk down to my children, degrade them, judge them ex…. Basically all the bad parenting strategists that narcissist use to raise children. I absolutely despise her for this. If anyone reads this, Know that you are not alone. Know that healing will take time. Don’t let them steal anymore precious time from your kids, husband and non narcissistic family members. TAKE YOUR POWER BACK BY BREAKING THIS CURSE AND LEAVE WITHOUT LOOKING BACK!!!!!
@EmpressMenen2 жыл бұрын
I am so sorry angel. She took your innocence and purity if heart. Please never give up on your goodness. You are not the bad things you were taught. ❤
@Blinkgirlsareperfect2 жыл бұрын
@Esther Wow!!!! Thank you so much for your response. Reading this gives me more strength to know you have so many people who have gone through what we went through with narcissistic family members. This issue is more dangerous then people realize. I mean im talking committing suicide. These people will have you thinking of ending your life and unfortunately many have because they just gave up. This support and words of wisdom is so powerful to fellow victims and could save many from giving up. Thank you for giving me your time and for caring. I don't know if you are a mother but if so, HAPPY MOTHERS DAY AND GOD BLESS YOU AND YOUR KIND HEART.... THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU!!!!
@jeffyou63402 жыл бұрын
This sounds great that you're breaking the generational curse and cycle of mistreatment. Very non-narcissistic of you to admit that you're having to put effort into overcome some bad habits. Good for you, and your four boys are lucky to have someone fighting to break the mold
@stephaniepittaluga50572 жыл бұрын
♥️
@alexisrush912 жыл бұрын
I have a similar background...I'm so angry...I feel like my life was taken away from me...I just want to take my kids and run far far away from my whole family...start fresh...clean...leave all this darkness in the past...it was never mine to carry in the first place
@Wildevis2 жыл бұрын
MY late husband was a group 4. He would stare at me when I called him out, totally stunned that I could have a problem with him, as he was such a great guy, or he would have this smirk as if he thought I was over reacting, emotional and irrational and then one starts to doubt yourself. As I started to withdraw from him, he was constantly trying new things to draw me back but if it worked, it only worked once and then I was clued up and would not fall for it again. It got more extreme until he committed suicide, leaving me a super spiteful letter and probably very sure I would pine and blame myself for the rest of my life. But ti did and do not and just walked away without shedding a tear, sounds heartless but he played this threatening suiced game with all his family, they were not surprised and I refused to feel responsible for his decisions
@Ann-qh3kb2 жыл бұрын
Your NOT responsible for their actions! God bless you!
@douglaswilliams42742 жыл бұрын
That smirk shows that they are enjoying what they are doing.
@drewbabydrew77422 жыл бұрын
Great good on you my daughter is going thru hell at the moment ,I'm glad you shed no tear .Pat on the back for you
@KaliKali-hv9bt2 жыл бұрын
Good for you!!!! He played himself.
@timmywitty14325 ай бұрын
@@douglaswilliams4274duper’s delight.
@marieborchardt29102 жыл бұрын
I've known a few narcissists, some know and some don't, but they all share unacceptable and cruel personality traits. I believe in the spectrum and I like the way you've broken down these 4 groups Dr. Ramini. It really helps to understand narcissists better and to avoid them!
@Alaska_Gal2 жыл бұрын
My 23 year old son has told me several times he thinks he is a narcissist & all he cares about is being right. He gaslights me & I feel like I have to walk on eggshells around him. We haven’t spoken in a few weeks. It’s very sad, because all I’ve ever wanted was to have a positive relationship with my son.
@adelai3795 Жыл бұрын
Hi ma’am. If I might recommend “how does someone become a narssisct by Dr. Ramini. It helped me both understand my own tendencies and relate to my mother in a more nuanced way.
@TheMilwaukeeProtocol2 жыл бұрын
I am deeply grateful you made this video. I was so confused about my ex, and I now realize it's because he's in category four. I can feel the confusion and self-doubt slowly melting away and my confidence coming back.
@tiniestpotato2 жыл бұрын
I think they know and that is why they choose to gaslight and lie all the time. Cause if they flat out told you what they know to be true, you would be out the door in less than a minute.
@ChildrenofthelivingGod2 жыл бұрын
My ex was group 3. It’s ridiculous how he didn’t see that his behaviour was wrong. At first I thought we see life differently and he was just raised without basic morals. Only to realise he is narcissistic. No time for self reflection or empathy.
@littleclay18382 жыл бұрын
That's what I thought, until I noticed the deliberate anger, the deliberate petty battles he would start.
@tamayeceannaideach50112 жыл бұрын
I think they know they are broken, think they are still better than others and that creates crisises in their heads making them dive deeper into narcissism. For my own self interest, I just stay away from them.
@deebrown16882 жыл бұрын
I can agree with that too
@ChrisCox-xl1fm7 ай бұрын
Smart
@ChrisCox-xl1fm7 ай бұрын
There is no fixing them, and even if you could its not your job to do so. I think personally they choose to be the way they are. I'm not fixing to stick around and tolerate abuse at the expense of my health to make them feel they are more than what they actually are.
@jannlewandowski5540 Жыл бұрын
Hi Dr Ramani,. YES, they know they are narcissists. I totally believe that!
@honeysmith6446 Жыл бұрын
It’s either an inability to think introspectively or that they lack the capacity to care whether they are causing pain to others
@quinnm.31272 жыл бұрын
Ramani, you spoke to 50,000 people in one day. Thank you for all of your good hard work. 💕💕💕💕✨🌈
@maywoodward72692 жыл бұрын
Yes. My Dad does and I’m trying to learn to not be like them. I knew I grew up with no self esteem and thought I deserved abuse, I have been trying to unlearn it.I became avoidant . I had no idea “ get over yourself” is a narcissistic statement. I haven’t said it but all mine have said it to mine. I hide but find I go into control sometimes when I’m unaware that I don’t have to control everything. I know my Dad won’t change. The cognitive dissonance is so hard, I just need to unlearn everything as I want respect and to be respectful. People have never called me a narcissist, I go suicidal very quickly or go into psychosis and am afraid to leave the house. I won’t be in a relationship until I’m sure I can maintain respect towards others and myself. I have to unlearn the bad behavior and I’m not sure sometimes what is bad and what is okay. Especially socially. I found a letter from 4th grade where I was asking a teacher how to interact with the other kids. I have insight and am actually okay until I get triggered. My Dad only lies to his therapist and is terrifying to me. Can’t leave until I’ve unlearned and have people so I can do reality checks with them. The self sabotage is my hardest battle as Ihave to remind myself Iam not a monster for being human. I truly care about people when I’m not in fight/flight/ freeze or fawning mode. I found myself acting so strange when I tried to go back to school, then my friend gave me a list of what to look for to see if a child is reacting to abuse. I have a good soul, I know that it is only when I disassociate that I go into the terror and feel like I’m age 4. I believe the unaware ones really are in psychosis. I am the one who struggles with “ I don’t understand why that is wrong” Im glad to get learning to stop it as I had two malignant parents. Mom knew as she laughed and said it was amazing I was not a psychopath from the treatment. I have been the child on my hand and knees begging my Dad to please but now Iunderstand he has no understanding of cruelty. I am upwrsonalizing it, I told people not to get close to me as I was terrified of hurting others or getting hurt again. I keep telling myself there is hope as I’ve been trying to get help since age 4 and truly wanted to understand healthy human interaction.
@fetijajasari95222 жыл бұрын
Don't wait too long to leave, it eats you. Every interaction with your parents causes you to fall back into patterns you don't like or are not good for you at all. This costs too much energy you could better put into your own healing. If you can find a place of your own, minimize the contact to your parents or go no contact, find therapy to heal, to sort out what is really yours and what is your parent's and to stabilize your. As you become more and more you friends will come. It is a developing process, on the go, and you need your energy for you! Do you have positive contacts with aunts/uncles /other family members/friends/teachers...... ? Don't hesitate to ask for help, you are worth it now! Praying for you! 🙌🏾🙏🙌🏾🙏
@artskiwendy2 жыл бұрын
THAT is where I was.."strange roommate" and servant. I accepted this position in life for most of my life that it almost killed me. Starting with my father and family, i have always been the whipping post for THEIR NARCISSISM.
@beverlytaylor17452 жыл бұрын
Hi Wendy! Did you ever get free? I'm 64 and this has been lifelong. I'm still 'in' but looking for escape conditions. What a stage of life to have to start over! I believe I owe it to myself to take my life back for whatever time I have left. Disabled and broke, I'm going for it! I certainly hope the best for you.🥧☕
@Linabuzz2 жыл бұрын
Im married to #3! Took me 20+ years to realize he was a narcissist….. im 90% healed and am not feeding into his bs anymore. He hates it but Im standing my ground and it feeeelssss sooooooo good! Thank you Dr Ramani! ❤
@candice-c-w2 жыл бұрын
I'm also married to #3. Please share what has helped you. Thank you.
@IvanGorokhov802 жыл бұрын
Do you still live with him? Why?
@candice-c-w2 жыл бұрын
@@IvanGorokhov80 I do. I am in therapy and have reached out for support from a domestic violence agency. I am finally getting the support I need. It is hard to sum up "why", because there are so many layers. It is a multi faceted answer.
@TYLER-jz6uv Жыл бұрын
Wow !! Your lucky !!
@lewilbur2 жыл бұрын
I really needed this. My older sister is in the category where it feels like she's a middle aged teenager, more like a tween in her case. I am currently in no contact. I am going to work on letting go of the idea that she will come to her senses and change. I am so greatful for your content. Thank you!
@CodyPendent2 жыл бұрын
#2 is my EXACT situation. It's like you are a fly on the wall. Thanks for all of these wonderful videos and thanks for not shaming those who stay in the relationship. Everyone has their reasons and 'no contact' isn't the best solution for every situation.
@jlesliebark86102 жыл бұрын
I’m a #2 and my boyfriend stays. Know that you are doing tremendous work because I know how hard it is on him and I thank him everyday for sticking around. Have faith in your partner and just keep trying to understand them ❤️
@ty_19272 жыл бұрын
Hi my boyfriend is #2 too, but he's a cheater, even though i know it's not about love. Part of me want to still be with him to get him out of this mental disorder. But part of me just don't think his self awareness of being a narc and that he needs to change can last long.... What would you do in this situation?
@zerpblerd59662 жыл бұрын
@@ty_1927 you must be aware of your own health first, if you are able to maintain good mental health and genuinely care, take courage and go into your caring with pure desire to help, and ask if he wants to get better if you feel a genuine yes, ask if he's willing to do work and realize that trying and wanting are NOT doing the work, and it will take work
@Zenmom-kz5yl2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for this topic today! As I was getting ready for the day, my mind wandered to past relationships (and likely present one). I was trying to figure out which "type " of narcissists I was entangled with. Finishing my morning routine, I wondered what you have to teach us today. And here is the answer to my question! You've educated and empowered me, as well as many others. Your mission matters and DOES make a difference. With gratitude.......
@Marie-xt2hy2 жыл бұрын
Thank you Dr. Ramani for this puzzle piece. I married a #4. Raised by a malignant Covert narcissist mother. At age 73 I Started my learning about these crimes against me via internet. The first 6 months I documented 300 hours of learning. That was 3 years ago. I continue to learn and heal. It is as though they took explicit joy in my suffering and loss of my children, my health, housing, money, friends and possesions.
@paulapereira1362 жыл бұрын
My ex-narc thought he was the most loving, kind and generous person in the world.
@emilym.28302 жыл бұрын
Minute 12 describes my entire relationship in my 20s. It made me feel crazy. It didn't just break my heart, it broke my soul.
@Amywazwaz062 жыл бұрын
Your channel has helped me understand a lot. Many things I can not change and so at least understanding them helps me feel like I am no longer crazy. Just finding videos that explained many things I was thinking but could not grasp.
@meditativ_ely2 жыл бұрын
Dr. Ramani is doing Gods' work
@rodandousa39632 жыл бұрын
All the credit goes to Dr. RAMANI. DEDICATION, HARDWORK, CARE FOR OTHERS AND PASSION. GOD HAS ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS.
@SarahSillarsKane2 жыл бұрын
Oh good Lord. Four minutes in to the video and I'm laughing and crying simultaneously in utter disbelief and total resonence and recognition about your words. 1.5 years into a divorce 'It' asked for, £60k worse off from legal bills It dragged me into spending by constantly summoning me to court (the last court case I self litigated and the magistrates agreed with the case I presented over the one It presented... I've never seen such hatred, contempt, malevolence and pure dark Death as when It looked at me in court), and this is the first video I've watched on narcissism that completely describes It, and how It thinks/acts, so succinctly, in four minutes. I'm flabbergasted that you know, Dr R. And overwhelmed with gratitude that you DO know, and are educating others in the most dangerous, horrendous, hostile, malignant, menacing, damaging form of narcissism. I would never have got out from the marriage with It had It not discarded me in dramatic fashion. The process has been and is extremely challenging and exhausting, but it's also given me freedom and a chance to rediscover who I might once have been, before the 15 years of Marriage to It chiseled away my personality from the psychological abuse. I'm having therapy (police recommended) for PTSD, and ongoing weekly psychotherapy too, and know I'll be ok because by HECK it's made me grow resilience and robustness in swathes. I'm rubbish at recognising goodness in myself as I honestly thought I was a pointless waste of space, but now I'm starting to believe that by standing up to the bully in court, by setting extremely strict boundaries with It, by refusing to engage in Its pathetic warped manipulative games, by doing grey rock treatment and ignoring It as much as possible (we have two children aged 15 and 13 so I can't go no contact unfortunately), and by waiting patiently for It to be the master of It's own destiny and destroy Itself slowly (think the parable of the snake and the saw), I'll get through this and actually be OK. I'm not sure whether It is Group 1, 3 or 4 as It fits all 3 profiles... but hey ho. I suppose it doesn't matter as It has less hold on me now and I'll build on recovering from trauma bonding regardless of whether and in spite of It being 1, 3 or 4 😀 Your videos and advice and insights are tremendously incredibly helpful and confidence boosting and comforting. Thank you for your time and care and generosity and practical, wholesome guidance 🙏 ❤ 💕
@Rasna15062 жыл бұрын
I was with a Group 2 Narcissist. Hence it took me 6years to finally come out of it. He used to apologize and pretend to realize and change but fell back again and again. This back and forth behavior was so exhausting and also the reason why it confused me. Always tried to convince myself that he was nice since he did this and that for me whenever he raged on me! I kept on debating in my head if he was a kind apologetic person or the monster who abused me! Even now after break-up, I keep getting these flashbacks of his "nice" behaviors and then question myself why he becomes the aggressive monster next moment. Thank you Dr.Ramani for clearing the doubt in me. Today I survived that ugly, depressing relationship (or prison) only because of your videos!! I'm so much in peace without that piece of #@&t in my life! I'm trying my best to heal from it now and taking care of myself 🙏🏽
@suzannejones26792 жыл бұрын
My ex husband is in the middle group. He's been getting help for four months now. He says he finally understands what characteristic deficits means. He says his are resentment, addiction, judgemental/gossiping, projection, deflection, not taking responsibility for his mistakes. He's beginning to learn how it feels to give instead of taking from people. He says by giving his time to others etc it makes him feel good because it's the right thing to do. He's trying to find his belief system as well. He realises that this is the very beginning of a life long process.
@BlinkinFirefly2 жыл бұрын
I'm guessing he's your ex because of the narcissism? But glad he's finally learning and growing form his ways. It's such a rare thing to happen with a narc.
@suzannejones26792 жыл бұрын
@@BlinkinFirefly yeah it didn't last. Back to the same old patterns, broken promises drama, boundary violations etc.
@bundydryandlime2 жыл бұрын
It could be karma, but being very giving of time and energy etc may lead to a trap of other narcissists taking advantage
@daniellestaley94322 жыл бұрын
@@suzannejones2679 oh wow, I’m sorry to hear, but sadly, not surprised. It’s like a cake; you can put more frosting on it to make it look better but ultimately, you can’t undo the ingredients, they’re all baked in there. Same with a narc; they’ve been operating the same way for so long, their disorder will always win. It’s so so sad.
@lawlade2 жыл бұрын
I asked my brother if he knew he was a chronic narcissist and he said with the biggest grin saying he knew he is and very proud of it! He's caused so much chaos, discord and wrecked the lives of!our family, ex wives and most unfortunately his children. From that moment, I knew I had to completely severe our relationship with him including his children for the sake of my sanity and my family's. Had to realize he couldn't love me more than his children yet he is perfectly ok with ruining his children's lives. They know exactly what they are doing and what they are. They honestly are demons in human form
@SamanthaParker-ir2gq6 ай бұрын
Could have psychopathy as well. This is not necessarily indicative of all people with narcissism or NPD.
@annikamin16372 жыл бұрын
I really appreciate how this video illuminates another of the reasons people may feel stuck in one of these relationships or may choose to stay. It’s always much more complex than society would have us believe.
@jaimeparker38042 жыл бұрын
They definitely know, many won’t admit it. I’ve seen my toxic father act correctly with people he respected, even with complete strangers. He chooses to behave horribly with me.
@joanferguson41942 жыл бұрын
Had the same experience with a malignant narcissist. Realized too late what he was as he had several excellent people as friends and these were the only people I met. He acted like a saint around them and they thought he was a great guy. They never saw the actual side of him that we lived with, the bizarre temper tantrums, the smirking insults, the psychotic rage reactions. When I left him other people told me they actually knew him for what he was, a sick and dangerous man.
@ElliMz Жыл бұрын
Thanks Dr Ramani for another eye opening video. To my experience, group 4 can be the most confusing group, you said it very well: they seem so clueless that one could just miss them as socially or emotionally underdeveloped. But to me, the differentiating factor is their self-centre ness, self-praise, self-defensiveness, and lack of responsibility even when they are repeatedly being told about their wrong behaviour.
@scorpiolove6742 жыл бұрын
I've had narcs brag to me about how manipulative they are or enjoying making others cry . They know.
@AnaSor2 жыл бұрын
That's one of my main questions :)) ! I think they refuse to accept it ! my soon to be ex is in grup 3 . he is also a known artist , an international painter so he feels he knows it all ! thanks again , dr Ramani ❤️🌸! I realised after 18 years of knowing him .. almost died .. me being an empath and destroying my inner self just for him to be ok ..but I will be free soon . ! #freedomfromnarcabuse
@RoseThePhoenix2 жыл бұрын
The vulnerable narc I was with for a long time acknowledged he was "a bad person" at times (though this may have been an emotional manipulation to get me to disagree with that) but I don't think he realized he was a narcissist. (He did see a physiatrist for depression, and some of the meds thrown at him indicated the doc might have known there was a huge problem, but I don't know for sure because no Dx was ever shared with me.) There were times I was sobbing and begging him to stop belittling and arguing with me for awhile and he coldly said I was being pouty and should just go to my mom's until I could calm down. Ugh. Anyway, difficult to know if he was aware of the depths of it. I certainly wasn't until I got out of it and started researching these behavior patterns.
@greentooth30972 жыл бұрын
@@learningenglishthroughtran8540 Yes exactly. 'Vulnerable' narcs should be called 'victim' narcissists
@RoseThePhoenix2 жыл бұрын
I'm just... using Dr Ramani's term for them. Not really interested in quibbling about the terminology.
@katieandnick41132 жыл бұрын
He doesn’t sound like a narcissist. Sounds dismissive avoidant, which is an insecure attachment style, and can be easily confused with vulnerable narcissism. Narcissists, however, have anxious attachment styles, and the only time they end relationships is when they are with a borderline. A dismissive avoidant will end relationships with great women very easily, usually within 3 months. And a narcissist would not see a psychiatrist unless their psychopathic female partner made them go. Dismissive avoidants may see a psychiatrist on their own, especially if they have a supportive parent or partner. Another key difference between a DA and a VN is that the DA will not call you mean names(I don’t consider “pouty” to be a slur), but a VN absolutely will. A DA will point out your flaws in the kindest way possible, but a VN will intentionally make you feel terrible about yourself. Perspective taking is super important in relationships. My husband used to be a DA, and over the course of our 14 year relationship, he’s become totally secure. I used to have a more anxious attachment style, which is very off putting to DAs, as they pride themselves on being independent, and they also do not want others depending on them emotionally. I think that a DA is far more likely to stay in relationships with a psychopath because she is typically very independent, so he won’t get scared off. She’s also super manipulative, and the DA will easily fall for it. But ultimately, he’s looking for someone who is caring, loving, and empathic, so he’d be destroyed by a psychopath. If he were to find himself in a relationship with a borderline, that would end almost before it even begins. The thing about DAs is that they are actually incredibly empathic, intelligent, intuitive men, and they can make amazing partners if their partner has the patience(and possibly, low enough self esteem at the time) to keep trying with them. Oh, and they’re grumpy too. I think this comes from their empathy, and the fact that most people nowadays are not happy, and that really has a huge impact on the DA.
@RoseThePhoenix2 жыл бұрын
@@katieandnick4113 thanks for your analysis, but we were together for nearly a decade and he panicked every time I tried to end it. Also, like I said, he was in treatment for depression, and his only goal was to get her to cough up the meds he wanted. Maybe I know what I went through better than you do?
@tonybrown9875 Жыл бұрын
Good clear answer. Unfortunately I know a family like this, they really are quite unaware of their behaviour, have money, destroy cars, have a history of drugs and alcohol abuse, instil similar behaviour in the now grown children, need constant validation from an audience of employees and fans, have bad reputations, and in older age end up alone and destroy themselves. Distance yourself people. I have few friends but the ones I have are caring and enjoyable to be around thank goodness.
@revoakes89842 жыл бұрын
Years ago I had a dear friend who tested extremely high on a vocational narcissism scale, which he shared with me, so he knew. Yet he wanted and worked very hard not to be harmful in any way to others; in fact he bestowed (note the word choice) kindness, generosity, sympathy, appreciation, and a great deal of charm, to all around, having learned by rote (like some autistics) how to "read" other people and mostly please them, though not always successfully, which would then confuse him. He was very well liked, highly respected, and even loved by many, despite his inability to actually empathize. He responded well when I would suggest to him that he "turn around" his perceptions, to picture himself in another's position, in order to comprehend to some degree the other's feelings, and so with difficulty he did learn some empathy, little by little over many years. He would often do very inconsiderate things without realizing that he was being inconsiderate, and was startled when they were pointed out to him, however gently. It seemed to be rooted simply in that for him he was the center of all things. There was never any rage or hostility. He did need a great deal of validation, which he won pretty naturally, and was very competitive, not liking to feel that he was found lacking in any way. He's the only narcissist I ever knew I would ever have wasted my time on, let alone my feelings.
@brainboosterrva23202 жыл бұрын
Group 3 is exactly where the x sits. I only understood after over three decades of misery. I left him with the full support and assistance from all the children. His lack of self awareness is staggering. The judge ordered him to get into a program for abusive men before he could file for reunification with our youngest daughter, but he refused to comply: prime example of him believing EVERYONE is wrong (judge, GAL, therapist, witnesses) except him. Three years have passed and she's no longer a minor. He has no chance now. All the children are adults now and want nothing to do with him. He will die alone.
@jordanmartinez8232 жыл бұрын
Hi Dr. Ramani. My ex boyfriend and I are 16, but he was abusive emotionally and sexually. He’d gaslight me, manipulate me, and try to isolate me. His tantrums were scary and I was afraid he’d get violent. But on the outside, everybody thinks he’s so wonderful. He also has a history of trauma from two narcissistic parents, and now I have trauma from the relationship. We’re young, but I’m pretty sure he’s a malignant narcissist. You said once that teens can be difficult to their parents but I don’t think that’s how normal teenagers, or people in general, should act with someone they claim to love. Is it narcissism? Edit: for example, I wouldn’t trust that in 15 years, he wouldn’t do it again because in most cases, people don’t change. I think there are many warning signs from earlier ages, and we have to stop making generalizations about young people because few people I know are like this.
@korab.232 жыл бұрын
My husband and I met in high school. I'm now getting out of our 12 year marriage. We were together off and on 4 years, then apart for 8 years and got back together and married. "When someone shows you who they are, believe them." It just gets worse as time goes on. Take time on your own and heal so you don't get into a cycle of bad relationships. You deserve so much better than he's giving you. 💝
@christinalesher57552 жыл бұрын
I am proud of you for getting out of this relationship. Consider getting therapy to address the trauma you experienced. Be kind to yourself.
@matthewrizzzo2 жыл бұрын
I completely agree and went through the same thing for a year and a half, though one time, I was actually smacked during one of her (17yo) tantrums. That tantrum was because a job application was denied. This isn’t normal, and adults don’t just magically become abusers. I really think this needs to be talked about, but for that to happen, the “every teen is narcissistic” stereotype needs to be dropped, or at least specified to the parent-son/daughter relationship. The majority of people I’m friends with are empaths. Abuse isn’t normal at any age. I’m only 17, turning 18 in a few days. It especially doesn’t help when the two narcissistic parents just enable the young neglectful-covert narcissist, because that’s what happened in my case. If we can expand the conversation, we can save people before they get trapped. You’re absolutely right, there are warning signs.
@Hasna2562 жыл бұрын
Whatever it is, it's not ok and good for you that he is now your ex. It's good to see young people in the comments here with so much understanding of narcissism. You are right about warning signs; everyone I knew in my teenage years who had a mean or condescending attitude when they were 16, still have the same traits now in their thirties. If you see a pattern: remember it and keep those people out your life as much as possible.
@cassiebrown97862 жыл бұрын
Advice: RUN! NEVER LOOK BACK!
@klarapletl53972 жыл бұрын
My narcissistic ex would often refer to himself as “difficult” (but in a way, that we all just have to deal with it as if it was his prerogative). But only after he discarded me, in one of the most diabolical ways you could imagine, I realized he had zero self-awareness; He saw nothing wrong with his actions and the fact that he crashed down my life seemed like no big deal, at all.
@tinajones55482 жыл бұрын
Same with me, unbelievable behaviour post discard. Temper tantrum X 1000. Hope you're doing well....
@spacegirl2262 жыл бұрын
My ex husband too. Exactly. Bless your heart. I hope you are healing well.
@truthsocialmedia2 жыл бұрын
If you are an attractive woman, you chose that guy. you have no one to blame but yourself. unless children are involved, hearing women complain about narcissism is like the pot calling the kettle black. women initiate 80% of divorces, which alienates fathers from there children. that is a narc move in and of itself. Also true narcissists seem to lack self awareness, if someone is aware they are difficult, that shows some self-awareness.
@lorettanericcio-bohlman5672 жыл бұрын
Powerful springs, “if you are an attractive woman”, WHAT?? Your lack of knowledge on this subject is painful
@truthsocialmedia2 жыл бұрын
@@lorettanericcio-bohlman567 women decide sexual access. men determine who he will have relationships with. attractive women have many men who will want to be sexual with her, she chooses what man she will have. I think you don't understand how gender dynamics works. if this is unflattering to you, my appologies. maybe you should re-watch sex and the city. give me an alternate theory on gener dynamics and social media, i will be waiting.
@mariasammy86432 жыл бұрын
Hi Dr Ramani. My best friend since childhood was a narcissist . Long story short after 20 years of friendship I couldnt take her you know what and had to cut her out of my life for good. Sixteen years later she calls me out of the blue and we go to lunch. I thought she would have changed by now. But no she was exactly the same person even worse. Your right these people do not change .
@RickP-y2wАй бұрын
Beginning the relationship with my wife, she told me I know there's something wrong with me. I take Prozac now. But, when I brought up her negative behavior towards me later, she denied any issues about herself. Accusing every relationship problem on me. I spent the entire relationship trying to simply have a mutually loving marriage. The more I tried the further she rejected and neglected me. No matter what I did, said, gave her or how much I loved her. I was constantly unappreciated. Then they discard you because you were the problem in their confused mind.
@lyndiamims8982 жыл бұрын
Amazing video Thank you again for all you do on your platform greatly appreciated... I don't beat myself up as much now...experienced 1 and 3 ...Healed by grace AMEN
@mj-rg9kp2 жыл бұрын
My narcissistic father was difficult to understand. He’s rageful, verbally and emotionally abusive, occasionally physically abusive, indifferent to other’s feelings, seemed proud of how ruthless he was towards my sister and I, yet would put on this nice guy persona when there were others around us and thought of himself as a humble and kind hearted guy. When I confronted him about how much he’s hurt us over the years, he never admitted and said he doesn’t remember and won’t acknowledge it. And then started attacking me for something else. I believe he knows what a jerk he is/was at his core but his ego won’t allow him to be accountable.
@fashionandluxury1012 жыл бұрын
My dad was the same; run 🏃♀️ and be never look back
@kev24k2 жыл бұрын
I think people want to know the answer to the question because they want to know if the way they're being treated is intentional and done consciously or if the narc cannot control themselves. The person experiencing the narc is still looking for an out for the narc. Because if they cannot help it, then its not their fault. If its conscious then the victim can help them through this because that's how a normal person that can experience selfless love would think. The answer is probably it just doesn't matter because the narc is going to continue to abuse and the only healthy response to abuse is to end it.
@itisfinishednowtimetoclean27232 жыл бұрын
It helped me to define me, and be honest with myself. They are them, they ill effect me, and I don’t want to be ill from a “loving”, relationship. That’s an oxymoron to me. I was self aware and self reflective towards growth. They are not. That is a recipe I don’t like.
@dorothy7922 жыл бұрын
Very true.
@IThink2Much2 жыл бұрын
I've had more than my fair share of narcissists in my life. And I've either gotten them out of my life or learned to shut them down and minimize their impact if I can't cut them out completely because I refuse to live with that chaos any longer. But I'm still interested in why people do the things they do and if they are aware of what they're doing. It helps me process it and see things through their eyes. It also helps me understand them better so I know how to deal with them better.
@nawrasbalkan69112 жыл бұрын
Oh regardless of the type...they know what are they doing, always...coz they change thier attitude n behaviour if they know they are watched or can be caught and punished, or there is a deal to close....having control on their selves when there is someone stronger thsn them or a higher narc than them it all shows that they know what are they doing...so bottom line they hurt u on purpose coz they can n know will get away with it..to exert control....and that u will take thier shit..they know
@whitneystreethouse2 жыл бұрын
My narcissistic ex was willing to entertain the idea that he might have a problem just because discussing it made him the guaranteed center of attention. Im convinced he loved couples therapy for the same reason. It didn't hurt his feelings that our therapists were concerned about his bad behavior toward me. Attention, no matter how negative, thrilled him.
@ResearchThis2 жыл бұрын
Thank you Dr. Ramani for continuing to educate us which gives us the tools to believe in our own worth, and value our own emotions. Understanding what's happening is the best defense ❤️
@joycetwilson38972 жыл бұрын
Thank u doctor were can i find a good narc. Divorce lawyer at live i califorina
@razzrazzly60782 жыл бұрын
Some people just can't leave other people alone. They're that desperate for attention.
@AnneLien19872 жыл бұрын
One of my close friends got the diagnose years ago. She knows she’s narcissistic but she doesn’t want to be. She has full insight but when she’s in stress/severely emotional the traits come up.
@maximumvalues2 жыл бұрын
My Narcissist wife told me I had this and other psychological problems. I got counselling. I was told I have mild depression from abuse. Then I sought information. Then I sent videos to my kids about covert narcissism. They said, you aren't like that Dad. Mom is. So some, Narcissists think they are victims. My wife does for sure.
@GMAAndy3332 жыл бұрын
You have given me hope that it is possible for some to change.
@oscarwilliamson61632 жыл бұрын
Andy,You look cute,Hope you are not with a narcissist..,
@grandmajane25932 жыл бұрын
My husband believed everything he did was ok. He never, ever said he was sorry. He did not seem to understand why I was upset all the time. He maintained the "nice guy" facade all the time while he was doing sneaky things behind everyone's back. Long after the divorce and he moved away, he called and actually thought I would allow him to occupy my extra room in my house. He was old and sick, but I couldn't risk getting sucked in again.
@Krakikoko2 жыл бұрын
Dr Ramani, thanks a lot for separating them in groups by awareness; you made it very clear that my family might be full of narcissists, including myself. You may never see this but I hope you feel the gratitude I try to send. 🛐💙
@garamnarum2 жыл бұрын
oh my god, I was always confused about whether my mother and grandmother were sociopaths or narcissistic, and the Group 3 here explains it so well. thank you so much, the amount of clarity and mental liberty I got from this video is life-changing 🥺
@davidhalldurham2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for another excellent video, Dr. Ramani. I suspect "my" narc knew there was something wrong but she would never cop to it. Every time I suggested therapy, she'd fly into a rage: "THERAPY? I don't need therapy. YOU are the one who needs therapy. I know what I'm talking about. I have a degree in psychology! " She also occasionally said her mother had been an NPD. It might have been true, but sometimes I wonder if it was just another lie in an attempt to explain away her mental issues.
@karinisvetcool2 жыл бұрын
Holy shit if that isn't exactly my mother. Sends my dad off to see 5 types of pshychologists/therapists, but when asked to PLEASE go to one for the sake of her kids, she refuses.
@susan30372 жыл бұрын
Sounds like my narc. She’s a THERAPIST!
@cairosilver29322 жыл бұрын
@@susan3037 Ouch. It's kind of frightening how easily narcissists get into the therapy industry
@d.blairganung44572 жыл бұрын
May have been a long answer but I am one of those people who believe life is in the details. Bravo, you're an excellent speaker as well.
@LeoOliver-s5m5 ай бұрын
My narc ex is a combo of these types. They do have some internalised shame about mistreating others but at the same time they can fully deceive themselves and justify their actions. Sometimes they seem to have some insight, whike other times they're completely delusional.
@MelancholyRequiem Жыл бұрын
I'm a female diagnosed in my late twenties with autism, and it's decently common knowledge in our circles that female autists are extremely likely to be misdiagnosed with Borderline Personality Disorder, which is one of the most damaging thing that can be done to us. I'm starting to notice a very worrying and troubling pattern of male autists being misdiagnosed as Narcissists, albeit unofficially as it's usually just their peers saying such. The more recent research coming suggests autism is caused by the pregnant woman being "under distress" during her pregnancy, which suggests many autistic children have narcissistic parents. I think this topic is extremely important and I hope one day more is discussed.