Does DOCTOR STRANGE 2 Live Up to the Hype? | SPOILER REVIEW for MULTIVERSE OF MADNESS

Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness is finally here, and fan expectations are through the roof. Some fans were expecting this movie to feature cameos from every Marvel character ever. Others were hoping for a more toned-down Sam Raimi feature, or some hint about what the next Big Marvel Crossover will be. In this Spoiler Review we talk about what worked, what didn't work, and the most magical moment form any movie in the Marvel Cinematic Universe.
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Matt Singer: ( / mattsinger )
Adam Lance Garcia ( / adamlancegarcia )
Written and Hosted by Ryan Arey ( / ryanarey )
Edited by Sean Martin and Randolf Nombrado
Number one, I was in awe of how the movie was able to still be about Stephen Strange and exhibit his character growth. In the first movie, Stephen had to overcome his ego and learn [it’s not about you]. But in this movie we see why he has that massive ego. He was unable to save his sister from drowning. So for the rest of his life, he believes that it should always be on him to hel[ people. As Christine puts it, you always had to be the one holding the knife. The death of tephen’s sister was a core memory for him, that defines him across the multiverse.
So introducing variant stranges could have just been a fun gag. Like in spider-verse, where seeing all these different genres of spider-man was half the fun [clip].
But in Multiverse of Madness, each version of Strange serves to move his character forward. In the first scene, we see Defender Strange making the decision to kill America and steal her powers. Later we find out that illuminati strange used the darkhold to kill thanos, which threatened reality. And finally sinister strange has turned full on evil. [clip].
All of these Stephens show him in various stages of falling to the dark side. Add in what we saw in What If, and we know that there’s a real danger of Strange letting the darkhold take control of him.
And we know that an MCU hero can break bad, because that’s what Wanda does in this episode. Now I do think that the movie could have done a better job spelling out how she turned so evil. Because wandaVision ends with her having an emotional catharsis and accepting her grief. But then we had that tease that she was studying the darkhold, and that it was tempting her like the one ring [clip].
That ending made it seem like Wanda’s boys were trapped in the multiverse somewhere, not that she was going to run off and kidnap them from another mom. But Wanda sees this as acceptable because the dark hold has taken her. That’s not really that apparent in the movie though.
But I’ll talk about that later with Matt and Adam. Another thing I loved about this movie is how just damn Sam raimi it is. A lot of people who watch this channel may only know Raimi’s work from blockbusters like the Sopider-Man trilogy and Oz the Great and Powerful [uh, what?]
But Raimi’s roots are in low budget horror movies. The Evil Dead trilogy is a masterpiece of horror comedy. And when Wanda is gleefully slaying the illuminati, you can practically hear Raimi laughing from behind the camera.
The movie did another important thing, in regards to the whole MCU. It was able to set up the next movies, but in a way that wasn;t immediately pressing. Here’s what I mean by that. The film sets up Clea, and multiversal crises, and Secret wars-which we talked about in our ending explained video.
But, these aren’t questions that need answered right away. Whereas, say, Captain America Civil war and Winter Soldier IMMEDIATELY changed the landscape of these movies. They changed elements that needed to be addressed in the next MCU movie. But you could skip this movie and go straight into Love and thunder or wakanda forever, and it wouldn’t matter.
So the Multiverse of madness managed to set up a few dominoes without stealing the spotlight from other movies. That’s a very delicate balancing act to pull off.
Here’s my nitpick on the movie. The original ending, where strange screams, and he has a third eye and they cut to credits, was awesome. Should have ended there. I like Clea, I like that tease for more stuff, but it cheapens the end of this movie, which was a brilliant cliffhanger.

[@ScreenCrush]

What did you think of the movie?

[@sotorc1448]

I thought it was refreshing to finally get something a little different in the mcu and they made it even a little more mature which we have been asking for since the beginning

[@ZombieZebra3]

It was good. I liked it a lot.

[@swervezki]

It was really fucking good, definitely deserves a spot on my personal favorite MCU films

[@swervezki]

@@sotorc1448 yea definitely, this film was really mature and realistic rather than goofy jokes and cliche motives

[@austinyoung9035]

Very clearly a 3hr movie that was cut to 2hrs… throw away Illuminati was tragic.

[@davidemanuelrosini5791]

The destruction of the Illuminati so quickly was shocking. Made Wanda’s statement about taking it easy earlier make sense.

[@danielhughes5932]

I honestly laughed when she attacked khmer taj like an apache, she couldve just lifted the entire mountainside beneath them. Though i LOVED what she did so to break through

[@dr.stephenstrange8471]

I think the destruction of the illuminati doesn’t matter to the mcu story, so I think it’s cool.

[@jeanmuyuela8112]

@@danielhughes5932 if she did that she might accedentaly kill America.. It make sense that she did not just nuke the place.

[@richardpawl1664]

She already has the capability to destroy the Illuminati and the Darkhold amps up her power as it corrupts her mind.

[@nativetexangaming9338]

Facts

[@davidemanuelrosini5791]

I feel like this was one of the few Marvel movies that actually displayed the wide range of powers that heroes possess. We finally got to see what Doctor Strange/Wanda’s powers are really like on a wide scale

[@sagarvishe3463]

Not dr stranges wide variety of powers he was running most of the time, dr strange peaked in terms of showing powers in IW. wanda got to explore almost all of them though

[@to3sted248]

It was more like Wanda that was showcased more. In IW the thanos vs strange was probably the best on dr strange part

[@thenumberonebeaner2211]

What I really liked about their powers was how they displayed how each magic is different. Strange's magic is geometric, calculated, you can see how it gets from point 1 to point 2 to point 3, while Wanda's is completely random and creepy. You don't know what her magic is going to do, point 1 is completely random from point 2 which is way off tangent from point 3. You could almost say her magic was chaotic.

[@Batman1998-]

I’m sorry but in what world was stranges power widely scaled or shown. Marvel did nothing with his growth in his own film

[@justjoey3801]

@@Batman1998- He had a ton of new spells. From breaking the invisiblity over conjuring some demons to the stuff with the music. He did definetly show more new abilities then in IW (because there was way more time). And it logically wouldn´t have made tooo much sense, if he had learned to many new things, because he would have to be the one discovering them, since he is the strongest sorcerer on earth. If he would have had tons over tons of new shit, the other sorcerers (like Ancient One) would seem incompetent, because they didn´t discover them earlier

[@davescrams]

Adam's comment on the Illuminati resonates with me. By introducing them all together and almost immediately eliminating them, they lose individuality and impact in my opinion. I also agree that Krasinski felt flat and didn't exude strong Reed Richards vibes, but I chalk that up to the circumstances more than to Krasinski's appropriateness for the role. I'd give him another shot.

[@LoveStallion]

Krasinski's acting was so wooden, and they gave him pretty bad dialogue. When he was talking to Strange, it looked like he was staring blankly at a wall.

[@Nu-En-Jin77]

Yeah, after the hype of him being cast as Reed Richards I was expecting something really special. But instead he looked goofy to me and it doesn't get me excited for a 3rd reboot of the Fantastic 4.

[@NigelLam375]

That had 2 minutes of screen time and theyre variants. Different reed, different personality.

[@aliwantizu]

I was really bummed that the "things just got out of hand" line was not delivered in the movie by Steven (as shown in the trailer and several times in this video,) but instead was noted by one of the members of The illuminati. I would've liked to have seen how it was used in context. I always took it as Sinister Strange telling MSU Strange that is how he ended up like he is and in a broken universe. Others thought he was saying it as a warning of impending doom, like he was about to fight Strange. Ah well.

[@seismixx]

Man. I thought I was the only one that got bothered by that.

[@andreavillani8993]

I totally agree with you. In fact when The Illuminati delivered it the first time my thought was that this was going to be a sort of catchphrase for the various Stephen, to show how they can not control everything

[@aahhacoloraayittundallo8639]

@anna pear they won't post deleted scenes...As they said previous movie NWH they didn't even posted any deleted scenes

[@flipyapd2321]

They made it seem like evil Strange was gonna be a major villain only to get killed in 5 minutes

[@IceCold_Carter]

@@flipyapd2321 that’s the point of trailers, to not give away the plot but to get you hype up about watching the movie. It isn’t their fault, everyone expected him to be the villain or say “things got out of hand”…trailers are made to make you go to the movies and BUY

[@trekgreenwood6743]

The problem is that people put so much expectation and built up so much hype for it, and then were let down when they built these stories of what would happen in their head. Which is why I think people should start going into movies more blind, and keep expectations to zero. I personally only watched one trailer for this movie and steered away from all analysis and theory videos. And having recently watched the movie, I think that was a great choice on my part.

[@bimankalita2960]

Same here.

[@angee7024]

Nah, it's not always the case, I honestly had zero expectation couse I trusted that with this characters and actors I'll have some fun in cinema, wasn't hyped up for this and I was still very dissapointed couse I didnt like the style of editing, music and the way story went 👐 so yeah, people can dislike this movie even without the problems you pointed out

[@MesjaszCyckow]

I think the same, people just getting too much hype on everything right now. That why I like this video, however I put dislike. And I think the Adam from the video - is just super fan of marvel, which analyzes everything and comparing it biased on his own expectations how mcu/story should go further. But let me tell you the secret - its NOT YOUR MOVIE, NOT YOUR VISION and NOT YOUR STORU. You are hyping yourself with your own expectation and getting disappointed, because YOUR VISION did not went the way you like. Sorry. Welcome to reality

[@xandercorvin1947]

@@MesjaszCyckow Amen!!! The perfect explanation…..loved it (will watch again in cinema, and later on Disney+) while looking forward the next fun ride. Ms Marvel (D+) & then Thor:L&T

[@logo315]

I’m upset because they ruined Wanda’s arc from Wanda vision. She did all that gave up her family for that whole town just to then go on a mass murder spree to get it back? Darkhold corrupts blah blah I’m a huge fan of the darkhold in the comics and they didn’t even do that part good. Like it. “Corrupts” I’m the movie but how? Why? They mention Cthon but just hardly so essentially Wanda is just suddenly evil and alllll of the growth she goes through in Wandavision was just pointless.

[@tux75]

I can’t believe that Superman showed up and fought Ash Ketchum outside of Hogwarts, truly expanding the multiverse to its maximum potential

[@MuskiewisAskiew69420]

I loved master splinter showing up in the end credits… gonna be MADNESS

[@sometimesfunny681]

But that other other post-credit scene explained everything, it's why Constantine could kick John wick even though they're they're played by the same person

[@danwolverine]

Don't comment after doing drugs...

[@sometimesfunny681]

When Batman had to sacrifice himself on the asteroid to allow younger Batman to smash his daughter I almost cried, I didn't but I akmost

[@remmrek]

Just not enough bro, I grew up watching Sliders. I'm bummed (

[@BrokeredHeart]

What didn't sit right with me was the way they erased any sympathy the viewers previously had for Wanda. Don't get me wrong, her as a homicidal multiversal menace was spectacular, but it seemed like too much of a leap to go from her confronting her grief, promising to make amends for her mistakes in Westview at the end of Wandavision, to suddenly sending interdimensional monsters to track down America Chavez and steal her powers (aka kill her!) so that she could get her children in another alternate universe. The way they set up the trailers, I had hoped that her corruption by the Darkhold would be shown throughout the movie instead of in the first act, so that her decision to murder anyone who stood in her way seemed to be more of a rash decision in a moment of weakness, than some grand scheme that happened prior to America arriving in Earth 616. Imagine those interdimensional beasts weren't sent by her but they were drawn to America's power, and that Dr. Strange did seek out Wanda's help when Chavez came to their universe because of her knowledge of spells and witchcraft. They could have explored the Darkhold as a sort of tool to try and keep the monsters at bay, while attempting to reunite America with her parents and send them home. In this instance they could have really emphasized the main protagonists as individuals who had lost their families (Strange, America, and Wanda), and who could empathize with one another in their desire to find their families. But once Wanda starts using the book too frequently for this altruistic purpose, and then discovers her perfect alternate universe in their pursuit of getting America home, one where she has Billy and Tommy in her happy dream home, she realizes America could be harnessed for her own purposes, and THAT's when she switches from being Wanda to becoming the Scarlett Witch, her most fearsome form that brutally murders some of the most powerful superheroes known across the multiverse in order to hang onto the version of her perfect life. That's where it becomes the power struggle for "who holds the knife" and pits her against Strange and the Earth 838 Illuminati. It would be far more satisfying to see someone who had believed they had put their past behind them and was trying to make amends for the damage they'd done, only to face their temptation a second time and fail to overcome their true desires. Far more relatable and heartbreaking instead of making her outright evil and duplicitous.

[@anerdwithaswitch9686]

I definitely agree. What we got for the explanation is alright (Darkhold corrupts and in the year and a half since Wandavision she's lost herself), but the situation you described would've been a lot better. The movie would've had to be quite a bit longer, though, if Wanda going after America in 616 happens later. Probably two and a half to three hours.

[@cakecrumb095]

@@anerdwithaswitch9686 I’d take a 2.5 hour movie if they did it right

[@theclayishone]

I think the movie would have benefited from at least 5-10 minutes of Wanda actually being corrupted by the Darkhold instead of just starting her off pure evil.

[@ShimmySchimeon]

I so agree with this, they really saw Wandavision and tossed out the sympathy that we all had for her, and now she's dead, for no good reason whatsoever.

[@xxPenjoxx]

That is really well said, I would've much preferred this arc. It makes me wonder how much this film was changed, given what they said about reshoots and edits.

[@Vixin24]

I agree that Zombie Strange was such a standout moment. It was cool that he used those spirits as a cloak and then when he was giving that emotional speech to America with this big Zombie face, omg my friends and I couldn't stop laughing. It was such a weird moment but I loved it.

[@JoeMama-yq5oj]

Yah I definitely thought the “now I’m bad Wanda” was too sudden and needed to be addressed more. I think that a perfect opportunity would have been when Xavier was rooting around in her head. He could have accessed a quick montage of memories of the Darkhold tormenting her into a breaking point, at which point the intrusion would have triggered her Illuminati homicide rampage. Then her murder of those guys would have had a more direct trigger, and we would really have gotten to see her get broken so her heel turn would feel less like a plot device.

[@janminglee3004]

Have u watched Wandavision?

[@luckyducky9669]

yea your right as someone that didn't watch wandavision it was confusing i get it kinda makes sense but a 1 minute flash back could have helped a ton

[@JoeMama-yq5oj]

@@janminglee3004 Yes, I watched WV and saw that she was messing with the darkhold at the end. I thought regardless of that info her character journey was so jarringly reversed that it deserved a bit more treatment.

[@BangTanPrettiNikki]

Wanda leave Westview giving a half ass apology and then goes to study the dark hold which is the book of the damned! Did you watch the same show we did??

[@missash96]

This idea makes so much sense that I don't think it's too far fetched that something like this was planned but didn't make the final cut.

[@michaelfermin5963]

Imagine if there was a part where strange and Wanda would be fighting through multiple universes, comic, paint, etc, that would of been dope while trying to escape from her

[@megamikethemovieman]

Do you think they will use multiverses like that in the future?

[@justinromero8859]

It's so weird how Wandavision is required viewing for this, yet also was a bad setup for this Wanda because they didn't show her break bad enough. Sure, she trapped Agatha in Agnes, and she started using the Darkhold for like a few seconds of screen time. But she also showed remorse for her actions to the townsfolk, she made up with the fact that Vision died, and she just generally understood that she was dangerous. Honestly, just one more episode as an epilogue would have paid dividends for showing the fallout in Westview, how SHIELD is handling it and the various associated characters with them, Vision's coming to grips with his current state, and most importantly, how the Darkhold starts to really manipulate Wanda. Such a shame, because MoM Wanda is so terrifying and such a good villain that I wouldn't change anything about her in this movie. Really, it's the setup prior to this movie that should have changed.

[@danielphillipsterling4830]

You just said it! She’s a MOM! She’s at peace with Vision but not with losing her kids. She gave birth to them! That changes you. Sunday was Mother’s Day. Go ask your mom what she would do if you died and she was more powerful than the sorcerer supreme.

[@justinromero8859]

@@danielphillipsterling4830 You realize that my criticism wasn't directed at DS: MoM, but was directed at Wandavision, right? Also, Wanda didn't go nuts simply because she was a mother. She went bad because of the Darkhold's effect on her. If Wandavision had done the setup properly, nobody would be questioning her motivation in this movie. That's why I put the fault on Wandavision and not on DS: MoM, bc Wanda works perfectly in this movie.

[@lillrice27]

@@justinromero8859 yeah wandavision really needed one more episode for the aftermath of westview

[@lasthopelost9090]

Cause people either want to be told what’s going on or want to figure out on there own so you get these problems

[@WhiteLightnin38]

I don't think you can really fault WandaVision though because it came out first. It's the job of the writers/directors for future content (aka MoM) to be up to date on previous material, and to build from it. Also if they want to take a different direction from previous material that is fine, but they need to find a way to explain it that makes sense. The idea of the Darkhold corrupting Wanda could work, but they needed to pay attention to how it was doing so at the end of WandaVision. The final scene leaves the impression that Wanda's kids are literally in need of her help, but in MoM that is not reflected in her mentality at all. It doesn't make sense to blame WandaVision for that though because of what I mentioned above.

[@JakeTaaylor]

A lot of times when Ryan does these chats with guests, at some point I end up being put-off by a guest and I tune out(Matt on last weeks video). But I liked this one. Matt kind of laid out why the Illuminati sequence worked, while Adam explained why it didn’t. They both had solid, valid points and opinions here. Matt thought it worked as a short packed sequence because it’s a one and done fan-service thing that didn’t take up too much of the story. While Adam felt the exact opposite. He didn’t like the fact that the characters weren’t really embedded in the story or have any kind of importance or character arc. Like Tobey and Andrew in NWH, they came in and really drove the story and characters to new places. The Illuminati didn’t. Overall, good talk boys! A+

[@richCmain]

I mostly disagree with Adam regarding How Multiverse-y this got. I do feel that if they had spent more time in too many more multiverses, it would’ve lessened the impact of Strange’s revelatory “you sent us exactly where we needed to go” line to America in the final encounter. “Welp, you got us there eventually!” doesn’t have the same narrative weight to it.

[@newtiger007]

I get your point, but 2-3mins seeing a little into another universe or 2 wouldn’t have hurt.

[@agafigna9117]

I thought it was going to be about Wanda messing with multiverse or sth not America Chavez, who was not even that interesting, who couldn't control her powers her whole life while she was travelling through the multiverse, but one sentence from almost a stranger and suddenly she can... like WTF. I am dissapointed and for me the movie did not live up to the hype at all.

[@doc_s1krr751]

@@agafigna9117 it was more than just one sentence. He "believed" in her multiple times and connected with her several times throughout the movie

[@agafigna9117]

@@doc_s1krr751 Maybe so but for me it was not enough, it was lazy writing, but it is just my opinion.

[@ispeakfacts3538]

This emovie has soo many plot holes and it was rushed on and a whole bunch of random nonsense that didn’t make any sense only to get a quick pay day but only the uneducated/delusional marvel fans will defend garbage🤣🤣🤣

[@matthewthomas5657]

I think the biggest issue with the 'hype' was the amount they revealed in their trailer. It sets the expectation to be beyond what we've seen before... also I'm intrigued to see if theres a Rami cut, or at least the deleted scenes. From all the actor's interviews it seems some cameo's where removed entirly / reworked and some story beats pivoted massively.

[@megamikethemovieman]

Do you think the longer cut would have worked better?

[@bombsthatdieparty7435]

@@megamikethemovieman I kinda wanna see more so yeh

[@megamikethemovieman]

@@bombsthatdieparty7435 me too! I’m all for awesome director cuts, I could see that going to physical media. I reviewed the movie as well and cover lots of other movie content on my channel, feel free to stop by to enjoy some videos and so we can talk more movies my friend.

[@Mr_Cinematic]

Yooooo if you liked this you should also check out my review for Multiverse of madness BRAH

[@pr0fess0rbadass]

The critiques I hear about this movie sound exactly like I did after I saw Age of Ultron. That's why I stopped watching trailers after Avengers 2. And it has made my time in the movies much much better. Hype ruins movies. It's the marshmallow test. Stop watching trailers. The payoff is delayed but worth it.

[@colonelsanders1617]

I do agree that it would have been cool to save John Krasinski until a bit later. Let Professor X do all the exposition because Patrick Stewart is great at that and then let John Krasinski be the “oh heck yeah” moment that Ryan mentioned in one of his other videos. He could have shown up when Wanda is just about to kill Dr Strange at some point later in the movie and then he saves Strange and then puts up a good fight against Wanda and THEN gets turned into string cheese. Like that cameo in that context would’ve been enough to cover the oh heck yeah moment and also give Krasinski a more useful role to fill other than cannon fodder number 2

[@Dizzykitty817]

I wish the end of WandaVision was much more somber and hinted towards the outcome of Multiverse of Madness. I also wish Multiverse of Madness was a miniseries that leaned more into the horror inspired aspects of the film. We really needed more time to see Wanda descend into madness and thus be more terrifying.

[@AsterDreamweaver]

I feel like the movie needed more time to let some of the characters breath and show more depth. We never really have enough time to truly be introduced to America Chavez, to connect with her character, and become invested. We needed more time devoted to showing Wanda's decent into madness from the cathartic realization she had at the end of WandaVision to slipping into corruption. The suddenness of her heel turn and almost immediate reveal of her being the villain chasing America felt to just undo her previous arc and instead of showing us the writers just chose to tell us it happened. It had some good moments and ultimately I think we got to see some character development of Dr. Strange it was ultimately at the expense of destroying the previous character arc of Wanda.

[@namegoeshere5220]

"What are you talking about we had plenty of time to introduce Wanda as evil now. Didn't you see the five second clip at the end of Wandavision?!" - an actual excuse I've seen on countless forums.

[@kaylapeacocke5297]

I would agree with this, I think they could have made Americas character really good. However, it was kind of a let down because I feel that I didn’t get to know her. It would have been good to see her origin story. It also felt rushed with her suddenly controlling her power because it wasn’t even like she was close to controlling it until the very end. On another note, I understand they had to show how powerful Wanda was completely obliterating every character but it felt like they brought these new characters in and built them up in the trailer just to die.

[@Mr_Cinematic]

Yoooooo if you liked this you should also check out my review for Multiverse of madness BRAH

[@dreadmarcelo3656]

Lmao just go read the book. Cuz asking them to do all this is asking for a 5hrs movie. And you'll still complain about that. Viewers are supposed to be old enough to fill in the blanks without someone constantly helping them. We don't have time to waste. There's a Phase 4 to go on with.

[@hightolerance8728]

@@namegoeshere5220 lol good one

[@monty6491]

I watched both MoM and No Way Home without watching a single trailer and it makes watching *dramatically* better. I thoroughly enjoyed this film and would recommend dodging trailers if you can

[@fxbeliever123]

Man, I wish I had your patience.

[@StetchnikU]

I agree. I avoided all but one trailer. It definitely helped me enjoy the movie. I was completely unspoiled about the last Spider-Man as well :)

[@ritwiksingh71]

I'll definitely dodge thor love and thunder's trailer. Their teasers are actually the best.

[@holmescope]

Was underwhelmed after this one… and it was the first marvel movie I’ve ever spoiled for myself and can’t help but feel like that’s what ruined it for me. Made a vow that this is now my approach for every marvel project moving forward 🫡

[@TheMichaelJordanofGambling]

Same. I avoided almost all teasers and spoilers, and loved it. I feel this is a movie will be remembered more fondly after people come to grips with their expectations.

[@Daniel.Emmanuel10]

I actually liked the way they approached the multiverse. I like that all the stranges actually served to push our strange’s character forward - each of them are at different stages of becoming darker as a result of Stephen’s desire to be the one who saves/helps people, stemming from his tragic loss of his sister, or as he would pu tit, his failure to save her. It’s good that they didn’t focus more on shits and giggles like in “into the spider verse” in the scene where him and America are flying through different universes was trippy asf and really fun but i’m glad they left it at that and actually focused on the characters

[@trevorthai1685]

My takeaway from the film is similar to Adam’s, I feel they overly hyped the multiverse stuff and what Marvel could offer, but didn’t explore enough of the multiverse or make it run more parallel to Strange’s journey in this film. I also agree the casting of the Illuminati was great but I wanted to see more of them and how their presence and role assisted or influenced Strange more throughout his journey, as he tried to fight Wanda (as compared to just a gang up 1 by 1 fight against her and losing epically). Still it was a great movie and it leaves me just wanting for more which they probably are leaving for future installations.

[@bperez8656]

Adams take is awful He wanted more madness more death More irredeemable effects of strange and Wanda.

[@dooozy720s]

i would say it does, doctor strange and chavez had a good dynamic, wong was wong, wanda had good development, and showed how powerful she was

[@R3BEL-1]

Not enough to destroy Thanos, apparently.

[@horriblebadwolf]

@@R3BEL-1 yea kinda weird but makes sense since there’s only one Wanda powerful enough to be considered a multiverse threat unlike tony or captain America

[@SuperSparrow45]

@@R3BEL-1 Wanda untaps a huge amount of her power when she becomes the Scarlet Witch, but on top of that, she was bodying Thanos in EG prior to him deciding to just go scorched earth on the battlefield.

[@R3BEL-1]

@@SuperSparrow45 I get it what you're trying to say and I appreciate your explanation, but how does an identity change make her more or less powerful: Wanda v Scarlet Witch? Wanda IS the Scarlet Witch. This is also admitting that she's weak as a do-gooder and more powerful as a villain? How does Thanos going scorched earth negate that Wanda can alter and shift realities at will?

[@alizaidi2743]

@@R3BEL-1 she had not tapped her reality altering powers before the events of Wandavision, that was the first time it happened.

[@jared627]

Mordo got screwed by this film! Considering the first Dr. Strange’s ending it would have been cool to revisit that rivalry in a meaningful way. Could have easily swapped out the music fight with a more epic Mordo fight. Strange vs Mordo could be a rivalry almost on par with Cap and Winter soldier if done right!

[@namegoeshere5220]

There's proof the movie was edited to remove certain things. For instance an entire plot synopsis leaked detailing pretty much 98% of the released movie. The differences were: No Reed or Blackbolt, instead was Bruce Campbell as Baldur. (Bruce's comment about how he felt his "role may be cut" from the movie rings interesting when you consider he was, and was only brought back for a small joke role because Raimi and him are so close.) And, at the start of the movie our main universe Mordo was going to approach Wanda and she was gonna decapitate him. Meaning Mordo would have been screwed over worse. I do think it's funny that two magical villains with body counts may have had the right decision on what to do with Wanda: smoke her.

[@dannyhodorowski5847]

Yeah, the guy with magic jumping boots was undone by a 8-foot moat. Odd choice.

[@Mr_Cinematic]

Yoooooo if you liked this you should also check out my review for Multiverse of madness BRAH

[@jared627]

@@namegoeshere5220 Wow, that’s interesting! But yeah, still undercuts the relationship they built up between Mordo and Strange in the first film, which sucks.

[@jared627]

@@dannyhodorowski5847 Damn, great freaking point

[@jmattos]

I absolutely love the back and forth discussion you guys have on this stuff. My only criticism is that I want to be in this discussion lol. Great stuff folks. I also loved the reference to Sliders. I LOVED that show.. SO MUCH (until I didn't when it got silly, but whatever)

[@Jumpoable]

I agree with Adam. Massive Strange & Wanda fan, but I was just underwhelmed at this movie's safeness. I enjoyed the film, but I didn't really have any moment where I was truly like OMGAAAA & gripping the edge of my seat like I was during No Way Home (or any MCU film before). Perhaps I just knew it was action action horror lite. Couldn't emotional latch on to any character at all.

[@XboxNightmare_NM]

I cheered in No Way Home when Andrew and Tobey showed onscreen. With Krasinski and Stewart, I felt they were just there for fan service and served no other purpose

[@jame7093]

Yeah I feel the same way. I feel like they could've fixed this at least in part by having a more intense finale where strange and wanda directly fight through different universes or something crazy like that. It felt like this ending was a bit tame compared to what we've seen before. In terms of emotional attachment, I wish strange had a bit more personality. He seemed a bit low energy at times, and I think that might've contributed to it. Also I think it was really important for them to show wanda's direct descent into madness, and I don't think they did that well enough. Overall I actually really liked the movie though!

[@Vakyrus]

I wasn't exposed to any spoilers so my expectations with this movie were high, but logically, I knew there was still tons of time and opportunities ahead if it turned out to be underwhelming. The only trailer I watched was the one after 'No Way Home', but I know a lot of people heard about some crazy cameos and actors, and maybe these rumors raised the bar for this movie's outcome, which was definitely fair. In terms of plot holes, the only thing I am still trying to figure out was how Tommy and Billy existed in other Universes and also why Vision was not present at all in any dream/reality. I think they made Wanda kill the Illuminati so quickly because of everyone's expectations; most of our heroes have had the same mentality when handling minor and major threats. Thanos was a perfect example and there was not many options left once he was at everyone's doorstep. With Wanda being OP, I think it was more to solidify what Mordo was explaining to Strange about the dangers of Dream Walking and Wanda certainly left a lot of consequences for Universe 838. She killed basically the head of the X-men, a member of the Fantastic 4, the Inhuman King, and that Universe's Captain Marvel and Captain Carter. X-men and the Inhumans are definitely gonna want answers and maybe even revenge. As for Captain Carter, this Universe no longer has one to defend it, in addition to no longer having a Captain Marvel to monitor/protect the other planets in that universe. On top of all that, Reed Richard's death is a lot more than just the Fantastic 4 losing their leader. We saw that this universe had developed and utilized Ultron bots, which I am assuming was by him. If the bots ever malfunction or show signs of Ultron, Reed is no longer there to fix it. Additionally, Reed is also the son of Nathaniel Richards who is a Kang variant. All in all, with Wanda removing all these major heroes from Universe 838, she has 100% set this universe up to be ripe for the taking. There is no one there to defend it from a Kang invasion.

[@TekkLuthor]

This is why I stopped watching these theory videos. Unless I watched the movie there are no rumors, no news, or theory videos about it

[@FaceFamous]

@@TekkLuthor I've watch alot of these "theory " channels and man they were so wrong on alot of stuff breaking down every little thing they saw and not come to fruition.. It's cool they found clues and what they meant but it wasn't put to use so 🤷 the movie was good but not like they hyped It up to be

[@stevenwest1494]

That's overthinking things to the extreme. So what this universe has no hero's in it we saw getting killed? Plenty of others have lost their hero's too. No Biggie.

[@thenumberonebeaner2211]

I came with the opposite, having evaded all videos/news not provided directly their Marvel's official site/channel. With all the upcoming movies, I'm looking at them like the first Iron Man and the first Captain America. I don't want another Infinity War or Endgame for a while, I just want to go in to the theater, enjoy a self contained story and enjoy my 2-3 hours of brainless enjoyment from a superhero movie. My expectations will remain low until the next avengers

[@ikeeditz2012]

Well say there was a Tommy and billy, what if Wanda had a husband and broke with her and the kids wanted to stay with there mom, the dad doesn’t need to be vision

[@mctown972]

Morbius fighting Wanda has to be one of the greatest fight scene in cinema history..... 10/10 movie

[@Fahad-pr7qu]

“It’s Morbin time”

[@mihailgeceski4945]

Morbius is the most movie ever made!

[@ispeakfacts3538]

This movie has too many plot holes and it was rushed on and a whole bunch of random nonsense that didn’t make any sense only to get a quick pay day but only the uneducated/delusional marvel fans will defend garbage🤣🤣🤣

[@bwtrader]

The sex scene was great!

[@Mr_Cinematic]

Yoooooo if you liked this you should also check out my review for Multiverse of madness BRAH

[@richardthemagician8991]

I agree with Adam. Loved the movie. But my first comment after the movie to my wife after we left the theater was that I was hoping to see more of the multiverse. I guess I expected something more along the lines of Loki with the multiverse and variants.

[@YourfaveNPC]

This is exactly what I was thinking

[@the1bmc1]

I really like these discussion video, keep 'em commin' :P

[@mikebassett9054]

The fact that a real vision is running around in the mcu & there was not a trace or a word of him mentioned was kinda weird. That’s her strongest emotional connection in the mcu , her kids are only a week old , her & vis have a 7 year relationship

[@sarthakpawar2191]

im so sorry to be that guy but it was probably just 2 years and 2-3 weeks coz wanda got dusted and vision well...

[@matthewguess6971]

And she also say's "Viz had his theories" when asked about what she knew about the multiverse. That's 'a' mention.

[@vinyl1372]

she did mention him actually

[@spacecadet9852]

She got closure with Vision. Her kids that she barely just met and started to raise had to be deleted. By her.

[@auntteefa4911]

She mentioned Vision at least twice.

[@newtiger007]

Sadly I was underwhelmed too. A few of the issues which bothered me were no 616 Mordo, other Mordo being defeated by a 10ft hole in the ground, smartest man in world telling Wanda how to defeat BlackBolt, Peggy/Maria being military trained yet standing there as 2 of peers are killed, Captain freakin Marvel being killed by a statue, not a single reference to Vision, why is America named America, and no reference to Loki or Spider-Man time and reality missteps.

[@adamgiovanelli]

I agree with almost everything you said but there was actually a decent vision reference from Wanda. She said something like “I had to blow a hole through my husbands head and it meant nothing”

[@michaelc1626]

I really appreciate the more balanced views you have on this channel. It seems like on youtube you either get "this is the best thing ever" or "this is trash" and nothing in between. I liked the movie but I agree a lot with how undercooked it felt at times, I did want more multiverse, more crazy...the horror elements were definitely there thanks to Raimi but I would have loved them to go full wild psychedelic crazy with the multiverse. Instead we get...in this universe, you go on red lights.

[@BuffaloBorn78]

"The movie does end with an undead version of the main character who has a cape made out of, like, ghosts, defeating wild monsters on top of Wundagore Mountain. So I don't think it's not that weird." Made me chuckle.

[@Daddysports79]

Completely agree with the “underwhelming “ piece, it was a fun movie visually and had its moments but the story felt rather basic and left me wanting a lot more out of this “multiVerse” adventure

[@LittleMan27]

That’s what you get when you overhype something. They never promised that we would deep dive into the multiverse, only bits

[@mojojo8349]

Has nothing to do with overhyping the movie. The story was ridiculous and all over the place. Wanda's whole ark didn't aline with end of wandavision. America Chavez was awful. A babysitting movie. She just needed a pep talk and then she contolled her powers no problem. Wong falling off a cliff on his back and then climbs back up. Makes Blackwidows death look like a joke. Illuminati was such a let down. Why even include any of it? Wanda uses reality warping to change an entire landscape, but then shoots red farts for the rest of the film except when the illuminati was in front of her and made them look like weaklings....OH BUT DR STRANGE AND AMERICA CAN RUN AWAY IN A TUNNEL... Where's her reality warping abilities now??! Having unlimited realities to goto but no Vision, and just kept going back the same one with Wanda home and the kids in the other room. Horrible execution through and through. Felt like an unreal "Scarlett Witch kills the Marvel Universe" Acting was great, visuals good, storyline was complete trash. Other than Eternals, this was the worst MCU film

[@jeanmuyuela8112]

@@mojojo8349 you know this is a "SCIFI" right? you can easily think of a made up science to why... Like she cannot use reality warping against strange because he can see through it or dispell it or has runes/talisman that blocks such magic. Also she might be holding back since she dont want to accedentally kill chavez and so on.. My own complain is that there is not enough time for wanda to shift from good to an evil witch. i wish they have atleast put 10mins of her transitioning.

[@ispeakfacts3538]

This movie has too many plot holes and it was rushed on and a whole bunch of random nonsense that didn’t make any sense only to get a quick pay day but only the uneducated/delusional marvel fans will defend garbage🤣🤣🤣

[@tulip5210]

@@mojojo8349 watch rockstars Easter eggs it will make more sense

[@rosshauler7688]

Considering this movie was market as the culmination of Wandavsion, where the most powerful witch was actively rewriting reality, Loki, where characters explored countless strange alternate worlds meeting unique variants along the way and ending with a multiverseal war, and No way home where they brought back every Spider-Man villain from previous universes and Maquire and Garfield’s Spider-Man as well, to then Market Multiverse of Madness as being the Crazier movie with supposing needing 3 projects to build up to it. I think people rightfully expected more than strange exploring one altered world and Wanda just repeating a worse version of her Wandavision ark

[@logandoove5265]

I agree. I thought this movie was gonna be about the barrier between universes collapsing and having evil variants from other universes fighting each other kinda like how Kang described. In this movie it didn’t really seem like the multiverse was at stake. And I don’t feel bad about universes dying since the TVA pruned them all the time anyways lol

[@logandoove5265]

I mean I don’t feel bad about other Dr. Strange destroying a universe with the darkhold and potentially Wanda destroying more. There wasnt supposed to be a multiverse anyways. We need another multiverse of madness but with some badass Kang variants fckin sh!t up!

[@logandoove5265]

Another note, maybe have it so different leaders of different universes (Avengers, Illuminati) fight each other to try to make their universe the only one left standing, how Kang did. Maybe have it so they end with an agreement to allow the multiverse to exist, as fighting each other might destroy all the universes and leave nothing left. The TVA can help keep an eye on multiverse hopping, not allowing it, but allowing the multiverse to exist parallel to each other. And it’ll set up a multiverse of madness 2 where the Kang variants become multiversal terrorists in a way and try to destroy each other’s universe, knowing that the other Kang wants to destroy their universe. That’ll be MADNESS!!

[@justinhoward3579]

I enjoyed it but I'm an old school evil dead kid so feeling that Raimi DNA in the camera work and backgrounds made my day. I loved that they softballed all the elements to have a decent revenge incursion storyline with Franklin Richards being named in a universe with mutants and a Wanda that knows how to get to the book of Vishanti.

[@kieferfulsom4432]

I would’ve loved to see a bit more with the Illuminati, specifically their personalities, and give them moments during the fight with Wanda where we see why they are who they are (or at least Black Bolt & Reed).

[@nyanity]

I‘m glad with the way they did it. We‘ve seen 25 movies of new superheros being introduced, but we‘ve never seen them being introduced as a team and killed off immediately. That moment where wanda said "what mouth?" was truly captivating

[@markbrowning4334]

@@nyanity I laughed out loud and all by myself in a crowded theater when Black Bolt?? had his head explode. And as far as smug black Captain Marvel goes? When she told Strange, "we'll handle your little witch.", I wanted nothing more than to see Wanda end her easily and quickly. And then it happened. Maybe these clowns in the illuminati are in the comics, I don't know. I had no use for them though. This movie did a major diservice to Wanda's character build up until now.

[@ChrisSmith-tu9bu]

I have to agree with Adam, ultimately this movie's material would make you think it would seem large and infinite, something Loki was successful at achieving, YET HOWEVER, somehow it seemed very small and isolated despite going to multiple universes and introducing multiple characters...maybe that's the Raimi influence as well

[@thejmeister]

I think the problem with the MCU now is that they're always holding back, saving the something special for somewhere down the line. I think they need to just act like they may never get the next, next movie, and aim to just make the best movie they can with what they're currently doing.

[@lex_rodriguez]

That is a horrible idea. You need structure, or else you get a Zack Snyder movie, blowing throwing 5 movies worth of material in on bloated one. The priority should be telling a focused story that doesn't do more than it should - that way the larger stories down the line have a larger impact.

[@TheCompyshop]

@@lex_rodriguez I 100% agree. The Snyder cut honestly wasn’t great for me because it felt so rushed. The whole time I was thinking to myself (man a solo Cyborg Movie would’ve been great)

[@HadesFist]

Yes. I also hate fanboys who defend a bad movie by stating it’ll will make sense or get better with the next one. You just can’t base judge a movie’s quality based on what may happen in the uncertain future, it has to be on what’s present.

[@jordanbomb32]

That is stupid

[@publicaccess7417]

What makes is no way home so beautiful was that from an acting standpoint, Tobey and Andrew, were playing themselves and that adds more realism to the movie. I felt like Tobey Maguire was just being himself and it made the film feel more real. Andrew was Andrew as usual just eye candy for the ladies, but Tobey stole the show on comic relief.

[@Covnam]

Nice to see another Sliders fan. I agree as well that I would have loved to see more realities. They played it pretty safe on that front

[@Thespeedrap]

The movie took too many cues from past movies.I still have never read Dr Strange comics before.

[@19_OldSChool_70]

While still dealing with Trauma due to watching The Evil Dead at night, alone and only 13 years old I almost had to shut my eyes to prevent more trauma in Dr Strange 2 during the scenes when two doors slammed shut as the camera was spinning into a close up of the doors as they shut. Those 2 scenes totally reminded me of the Evil Dead and gave me a rare super-clench / goosebump combo

[@davidemanuelrosini5791]

John as Reed Richards is the best thing. I can’t believe they did it. I just hope we see John return as him.

[@dannyhodorowski5847]

Hopefully his performance is better in the next installation. So wooden and awkward.

[@katakana5646]

Kang is gonna be one of the big bads so I’m sure John will come back as reed

[@briankulesz9410]

I'm one of the few that's not feeling JK as Reed. I can't explain exactly why. Marvel does a good job of casting though.

[@dannyhodorowski5847]

@@briankulesz9410 Neither am I. I think it’s just people who rewatch The Office everyday who want to see “Jim” in more things instead of the actor himself, who isn’t all that talented.

[@briankulesz9410]

@@dannyhodorowski5847 If I had one actor to choose from to play Reed, maybe Jason Sudeikis.

[@How2HateYT]

This was a top 5 mcu movie for me, loved the darkness, the gore, the action. People complain that the MCU doesn’t do anything different then they do something different and they complain that it’s different.

[@thatomanaka323]

Same ❤️

[@lfa5684]

You are exactly right, Kevin feige and Marvel know what the f*** they're doing, these jackasses making the videos just like to complain

[@Batman1998-]

Top 5 😂😂

[@beautifulstrange7057]

I want to say that I agree with this but I don't want recency bias to sway that. I can confidently say it is Top 10 though.

[@How2HateYT]

@@Batman1998- Guess you missed the part where it said "for me"

[@ezekielchin7476]

Transition from "which is fine" to "I enjoy marvel, I love marvel" rose several octave higher like "I am fine" "I enjoy my job, I love my job" hoping to convince oneself.

[@bowlochili]

I was more excited to see Black Bolt and to see Anson Mount play him was even better. Then to see him use his voice to erase Strange was awesome.

[@Ethanherringg]

I feel like what Adam was trying to say about the movie not being "weird" enough is that it was not confusing enough. The first time I watched Doctor Strange I was very confused and enjoyed having to figure things out about the movie, but this movie didn't have that aspect. It was a good movie but was definitely underwhelming considering the hype around it.

[@dante6985]

Well, I think he was just saying that he was hoping it would capitalize on the subtitle "Multiverse of Madness": that they could do anything! There could be a seen where they're all dinosaurs! And really all we got was one 1-minute montage that. In hindsight they should have just called it Dr. Strange 2. There were only 3 other 'universes' where scenes took place (beginning scene, red is go world, evil strange world).

[@celondelon351]

I agree it felt like Dr Strange travelled through different visual formats rather than universes i.e. cartoon, black and white film.

[@seanisabel]

I really liked the movie and i loved Sam's horror look and feel of this movie. I will say we shuld have atleast seen Vision once or twice in these different universes.

[@megamikethemovieman]

Are you a big horror fan?

[@FieldofWings24]

Strange’s fight scenes were underwhelming. Yea the music notes fight was creative but a bit lame compared to his multitude of eye catching crazy powers. And he grabbed the Darkhold with no hesitation after being told he’s reckless & the truest threat to the multiverse.

[@MichaelH416]

Adam is spot on! There was a chance here to make things creative. This really could have been two movies. Part 1 showing the breakdown of Wanda and more of an explanation of the Multiverse. Part 2 Strange meets brings in the ending of this one. Allows some more time with the Illuminati and so on. It very much felt like the last season of Game of Thrones in that the ending felt rushed with a lot of details lost to casual fan.

[@oddjob914]

The movie was creative as shit. What are you smoking?

[@MichaelH416]

@@oddjob914 I found it rather predictable. But hey, you can be wowed by it if you want.

[@MylezNevison]

I 100% agree with Adam... I didn't see the "madness" advertised in the title. It felt more like a Wanda movie than a Dr Strange movie.

[@plinyelder8156]

Think about the simplicity of Iron Man 1. Now compare it to this movie. It’s mad. Any other thinking you need me to do for you? I charge by the minute.

[@renew6405]

@@plinyelder8156 awful logic

[@plinyelder8156]

@@renew6405 you lack reason

[@ispeakfacts3538]

This movie has too many plot holes and it was rushed on and a whole bunch of random nonsense that didn’t make any sense only to get a quick pay day but only the uneducated/delusional marvel fans will defend garbage🤣🤣🤣

[@gabrielgarello8820]

I think that the madness of the multiverse is Wanda, she is mad that she cannot get to here kids. Her madness is what makes her the villain

[@davidemanuelrosini5791]

Seeing Charles yellow hover chair and hearing the 90s xmen theme blew me away and brought back memories. My personal favourite part of the movie.

[@ispeakfacts3538]

This movie has too many plot holes and it was rushed on and a whole bunch of random nonsense that didn’t make any sense only to get a quick pay day but only the uneducated/delusional marvel fans will defend garbage🤣🤣🤣

[@flarestriker2005]

Same and I got chills as I was watching the OG X-Men series a week before seeing it to. Sucks on how he had to go though but hey, this is a multiverse so we can see Professor X again somehow.

[@houstonpromotion]

Professor X was too weak in this movie he was literally just a regular handicap senior citizen

[@Mr_Cinematic]

Yooooo if you liked this you should also check out my review for Multiverse of madness BRAH

[@lasthopelost9090]

@@ispeakfacts3538 cause these movies were suppose to come out earlier and in different order I say they did pretty good all things considered

[@MFSHARTY]

I love your intro so much

[@itskimik]

I had many friends saying "what did they do to my wanda" but they underestimate the power that the darkhold had on her. Of course she had a lot of trauma but they fail to realize that this is a direct result of the darkhold, not specifically just her trauma. After all she didn't realize until the end how much damage she was doing to other people, she doesn't want to be a monster and never wanted to hurt others, she just desperately wanted her children and the darkhold corrupted her mind.

[@mpourdelo1245]

She has been studying that book for over a year now it fucked her up, that wasn't Wanda, yet still when we see her again she will have to live with the death se caused much like bucky does

[@MrJayateabug]

I get what the one guy was saying about it needing to be a bit more "Mad" than what we got. A fight scene that took place across a dozen different universes with the same/different versions of characters in wildly different physics and sceneries that all served the purpose of letting you know "This is a different universe from the one that Dr. Strange was just punched out of." The travelling scene with Strange and America Chavez was perfect but so brief that you could have blinked and missed it. We really needed to see more universe hopping so that you really felt the "Madness" of the title.

[@dzd2371]

I took it as the madness in Wanda, and some of the other variants of Strange/etc.

[@danielphillipsterling4830]

I feel like you guys completely miss how well the movie did with Wanda’s multiverse-spanning unconditional mother’s love. The ice cream song the kids sang was so adorable! It became real- if you were the most powerful being in your universe and your kids died, how would you react? I know my wife would do the same. Perhaps if you’re not a parent, you wouldn’t get it, which is pretty bold for Marvel to do.

[@kamichan127]

I'm not a parent but I totally love that aspect , it makes her so human yet she's such a monster in this film

[@_itsmunah]

I’m a parent. I think id either help america control her powers and search for a universe where my kid was orphaned due to me dying and bring him back to my universe.. And if I couldn’t I’d go visit an alternate version of myself, become friends, and hang out with my kid from that universe.

[@ilamh5078]

what you just said is contrary to any morality, and the fact that you admire her as a parent scares me very much.

[@lex_rodriguez]

@@_itsmunah She mentions this in the movie - she tells Wong that she needs her power for herself so she can better protect her children.

[@kamichan127]

@@ilamh5078 it's a movie :)

[@SwagMikeOut]

Guy with the glasses is on point 👍

[@ChrisValera]

You know what I just realized. Strange was wrong. Out of the 14 million possibilities, that wasn’t the only one where they won. We saw in Earth 838 they defeated Thanos with the cost of Doctor Strange eventually being killed by the Illuminati because of his use of the Darkhold. So did 616 Strange pick the one we saw in Endgame just because he survived? Is Strange still only thinking about himself even after the Ancient One told him it’s not about him? Out of the 14 million, did he miss the 838 timeline? It really gave Dr. West’s scene at the wedding more meaning when he asked was that REALLY the only way? Or am I just confusing Multiverses with Timelines? Are they separate things? Jesus.

[@caitlynblair2077]

I thought about this too! I was watching the movie thinking that strange could’ve sacrificed himself to defeat Thanos, BUT as I was reading your comment I realized his team would not have sacrificed him. Tony, captain America, Thor, none of the avengers would’ve sacrificed him. Just like they told Vision “we don’t trade lives.” The Illuminati was more brutal, willing to sacrifice Strange.

[@xoxocamilla]

Also maybe they didn't have enough time to look for/use the dark hold given that Thanos was underway. But what if Strange just destroyed the time stone? Then problem solved, no?

[@ChrisValera]

@@caitlynblair2077 Good point. Strange also said he would not hesitate to let Spidey or Tony Stark die if he had to choose between them or the stone. The man always wanted complete control.

[@rosshauler7688]

“Multiverse of madness” and it only “explores” one other universe lol, also I went into this believing the official marketing that this was the culmination of WandaVision, Loki, and No way home, so you can imagine I was expecting something to drastically change the status quo of the mcu forever since everything they said was leading up to this had been crazy. So to not only get Ralph Bohnered again expecting something big to happen but this movie didn’t answer or give me any satisfaction to any of the loose threads from WandaVision, Loki, and no way home which it was marketed to do so. Ralph Bohner, Kang, Multiversal war, Variants being from actual other marvel franchises, none of those things were explored or answered and I just feel weird knowing that some of those might never be answered. Not to mention them just redoing Wanda’s entire ark and emotional beats all over again. And strangers entire emotional ark being about a bland character from the first movie. At least the editing was fun

[@pelua_7903]

This is definitely how I feel

[@bperez8656]

It’s called short term sacrifice for the next decade of multi verse movies Relax!!

[@bperez8656]

But aren’t you happy that this means we get to explore it more over the next decade!!??

[@srenlarsen4531]

This

[@thealdwin]

Thank you for putting my exact feelings into words.

[@kennethshawnanthony5613]

I actually agree with Adam. I think it was okay and was expecting more. I guess what I thought was going to be a better battle was Professor X against Wanda when they were in her mind. I wanted the Professor to be shown as Onslaught or just put up a better fight against Wanda. I'm okay with how fast she killed the other members of the Illuminati but they could have given us a 60 second fight of her battling the Professor. How could he be in her mind and not have any defenses? For heavens sake he blocked out parts of Jean Grey's mind and memories.

[@jarnold420ja]

Totally agree

[@ispeakfacts3538]

This movie has too many plot holes and it was rushed on and a whole bunch of random nonsense that didn’t make any sense only to get a quick pay day but only the uneducated/delusional marvel fans will defend garbage🤣🤣🤣

[@Mr_Cinematic]

Yooooo if you liked this you should also check out my review for Multiverse of madness BRAH

[@jeffreywilkinson9821]

Right, exactly. I imagine Jean Grey is slightly more powerful than Wanda. Or, even if Wanda is more powerful, it can't be by that much. So it makes no sense that he died this quickly considering his long extended psychological battles with Jean Grey.

[@danilochavarria7348]

Also they mentioned how reid richards was the smartest man alive on their planet and as soon as he and the rest of the illuminati he goes on to say how vox's ability works and wanda immediately shuts his mouth. For the smartest man alive thats probably the most dumb and cliche move.

[@amethysthea]

MoM is a great film, not my go-to mcu film but it served Strange's pov right after NWH events. The film is kinda fast in pacing but it is good enough to tell us the "consequence" of doing wrong. The first scene where Chavez opened a portal gave me goosebumps right away, Gomez did an amazing job. Cumberbatch is a satisfying actor, but Olsen, she is something else, she's made to be Scarlet Witch! The whole Illuminati is cool, kinda surprised they didn't stayed that long but just right for the purpose as they said, but Capt. Carter is the one I've been waiting to see on screen the most, ofc Professor X is an exemption, I grew up watching non-mcu filsm nonstop. I also could not wait for Fantastic 4. Can't wait to see more of Black Bolt, he's cool. The team did amazing! I love how horror touch was added to the film, making it one of the most unusual mcu style. Kudos to Raimi, I actually felt it wasn't a mcu film bc of camera works and creative ideas, it's damn cool. Oh, and the post-credits scene is unexpected but exciting.

[@MJ-tb4sx]

Loved thus film I thought it captured th3 essence of the weirdness and unpredictability of a character like Doctor strange aswell as capturing the fun and madness that exists within comic books at their best I thought the fast pace was great and landed a hand to expressing the frantic nature of multiverse as tge whole film is literally like a crazy trip with many gun and shocking moments I like that they went for more classical horror elements rather than full on exorcist style horror as this allowed the mild horror tone to blend well with the other heroic and universe expanding themes in the film id give this a 4 and a half out of five stars: not 5 stars because their were three moments I remember in the film that were slightly skimmed over whereby although they just about worked as explanations gor those moments were a slight stretch and although I thought the pacing was great: fast pace but with smooth transitions overall i feel like for those three moments 7 minutes each so 20 minutes of extra screen time would have added abit of extra flesh yo make those moments work perfectly however if their was an extra 20 minutes it may have interfered with the fast pace of the film which I believed helped lend an a hand to the fun and adventure of the film as it felt like the film had the perfect run time, my only other gripe was the way one of the illuminati was killed as I felt one of them should've survived that moment however it was highly effective in displaying wonders power and that she was underestimated by them also I love how we are given an unhinged and unstable version of he illuminati in the timeliness who have killed one of their freinds "dr strange", lied to the world and basically weren't able to stop their univers being trashed, Black bolts smirk seemed unchariterustically cock of him in that particular moment, reed Richards gave away black bolts power and morro had some how managed to infiltrate the illuminati although he was obviously evil in that timeliness aswell I picked up on all of that and r4alised that these characters were unstable versions of themselves as displayed by their poor decision making in the moments in the scene aswell as their previous actions I also loved the magic music notes scene as it was a great embodiment of dr strange being "strange" it was a weird moment but was epic and they're were many moments like that even the joke about spiderman and weather he shoots website from his behind like a spider didn't have me rolling my eyes because its a viable question you may ask if you heard someone could do everything a spider could overall I loved the film because firstly it was great fun and visually exciting secondly the acting was great great performances all around especially Wanda and dr strange thirdly I understood all the little nuances in the film that were utilised to establish the strange world of distance and why things that people complained about ( most complaints I've seen aren't detailed jus their wasn't enough multiverse, they killed the illuminati so quickly, wasn't emotional enough) their were emotional moments from beginning to end , it's called multiverse of madness and the film delivered on that as thus was the biggest exploration of the multiverse so far and indeed their were many mad moments honestly I don't understand what more people wanted from this film those who wanted more multiverse; why explore more whole of the multiverse in one film when they explored enough their are plenty of films in the future to explore further no pint jumping from place to place just for a thousand cameos with no plot reason + it would have made the film cluttered furthermore their was more than enough multivers also multiverse of madness doesn't insinuate a thousand jumps through the multiverse so I don't understand where people grasped that expectation from people complaining about wonder all of a sudden being evil when it was explained that she was corrupted by the dark hold; what more explanation do you need I didn't even watch all of wondervision and the things explained int the film were very clear to me, people saying dr strange was outshines when cumberbatch gave a great performance wands performance was however undoubtedly the best but then again she's the villain; villains are supposed to be given free reigns instead of praising the film for having a great villain people are complaining, despite the great villain thist still definately was and felt like a dr strange film with Wanda as a big side character however the question posed was about dr strange morality from the beginning; I could go on forever but I'll conclude by saying I loved this film

[@jakem72]

I agree it could have been weirder: seeing this shortly after "Everything Everwhere All At Once" did have the effect of a bit of a shrug. That said, I've always wanted Marvel to lean into Horror-Wanda and I really got what I wanted there and loved her witchyness. Raimi used her well for his movie.

[@ispeakfacts3538]

This emovie has soo many plot holes and it was rushed on and a whole bunch of random nonsense that didn’t make any sense only to get a quick pay day but only the uneducated/delusional marvel fans will defend garbage🤣🤣🤣

[@MaVrik426]

@@ispeakfacts3538 If the movie was too confusing for you just say that..😂

[@colorcommentary5987]

@@MaVrik426 got him.

[@colorcommentary5987]

The movie literally ended with Dr. Strange being in a dying Universe after fighting and defeating himself with music notes, piloting a another Dead version of himself equipped with a cloak of levitation created by the bodies of demons while fighting a former Avenger that had turned murderously evil. What exactly were you looking for?

[@jakem72]

@@colorcommentary5987 some heart

[@bball90]

….it’s called a twist. When a trailer or scene makes you think one thing and then the actually movie shows you it was completely another and that’s great. I’ve seen so many people say “the trailer led me to believe Wanda was gonna be good and work with Strange but she was evil instead.” Who really thought that?? I feel like we all knew Wanda was gonna be bad and Strange was gonna have to handle her. The expectations that this movie somehow was gonna be Secret Wars with all these cameos people dreamed up and since they weren’t in it their disappointed, it’s ridiculous. OVER expectations are the problem, less so the movies themselves IMO. Is it a perfect movie? No. Is it a really good movie? Yes.

[@immanuela209]

Wait that was what people thought? I thought the trailers made it clear she’d be the villain (or at least an antagonist).

[@bball90]

@@immanuela209 broooo the amount of posts I’ve seen saying they were disappointed she was evil…. Smh

[@immanuela209]

@@bball90 What the hell lol? Heck I thought it was obvious at the end of WandaVision when she hears her kids. I swear some people just don’t be paying attention frfr 😂

[@immanuela209]

@Zer0Fukz OR, and hear me out here, they just have a different opinion than you.

[@ispeakfacts3538]

This movie has too many plot holes and it was rushed on and a whole bunch of random nonsense that didn’t make any sense only to get a quick pay day but only the uneducated/delusional marvel fans will defend garbage🤣🤣🤣

[@erwingvargas2272]

I loved it.( except the ice cream song 😬) In fact Dr. Strange and Wanda now have their own arc trough out different shows/films. You can now enjoy the Strange/Wanda arc (clone wars style) starting with Dr. Strange, What if episode 4, Spiderman no way home, WandaVision and Multiverse of Madness.

[@logandoove5265]

Another note, maybe have it so different leaders of different universes (Avengers, Illuminati) fight each other to try to make their universe the only one left standing, how Kang did. Maybe have it so they end with an agreement to allow the multiverse to exist, as fighting each other might destroy all the universes and leave nothing left. The TVA can help keep an eye on multiverse hopping, not allowing it, but allowing the multiverse to exist parallel to each other. And it’ll set up a multiverse of madness 2 where the Kang variants become multiversal terrorists in a way and try to destroy each other’s universe, knowing that the other Kang wants to destroy their universe. That’ll be MADNESS!!

[@iwouldliketoorderanumber1b79]

What I don’t understand is people saying I wanted more multi verse. I think it did an awesome job of exploring it and the madness of the different stranges we saw being killed. You can’t just go super crazy with the multiverse because you want to save that for secret wars. Also why are we looking for a cameo fest again saved that for secret wars. This film did an awesome job being the door to all of this down the line. It was a multiverse film and I definitely felt the madness. Maybe people got to caught up in plot leaks and cameo appearance videos before going to see these, your exceptions was to high. The problem is that people didn’t know what the MCU was doing in it infancy and people patiently waiting for Thanos for 10yrs. Now that we got that pay off and know how the MCU operates people don’t have the patiences for the slow burn like they did the first time. It’s just give me give me more right now or I’m not satisfied. Dang be patient, think of Shang chi as the first ironman film and the 10 yrs is starting over again for another big build up. Dr strange gets an 8.5 from me.

[@IDC500pro2]

Wanda's sudden shift in character made this movie 1000% more shocking/exciting in a way that a clear transition would've flooped on

[@megamikethemovieman]

Was Wanda your favorite character in the movie?

[@mattnic001]

Did you forget the entire history around Wanda? What's so "sudden" about her character in this? Everything she went through from civil war all the way til wandavision all leads to that point and it was not sudden whatsoever

[@Kelgrim]

Krasinski was one of my favorite parts of this. And overall I thought the movie was well structured and balanced considering what it was playing around with. Also you can’t have hugely fleshed out side characters with lots of screen time AND a movie that focuses on it’s main character(s) and their arc. At least not in a 2ish hour runtime

[@learningenglishwithtom]

The shot of zombie strange giving the talk to Chavez reminded me of Billy from Hocus Pocus.

[@Aquamarine333]

For me I was underwhelmed by it. They already gave away much of the cameos that where going to be in the movie, so when you saw them it was like: “Yeah, I already knew it.” I wish there would’ve been more mystery. And the movie as a whole, for me, did not live up to the hype.

[@murk4552]

They should have 2 trailers and not 20 plus giving us half the damn movie in stills and shot from commercials lmao. They need to fire their promo team for ruining the actual movie.

[@shape8198]

@@murk4552 Don't watch the trailers. Nobody forced you to.

[@Mr_Cinematic]

Yoooooo if you liked this you should also check out my review for Multiverse of madness BRAH

[@xd0895]

@@shape8198 people will watch trailers, it should be marvel’s responsibility to not give away half the movie in trailers and tv spots

[@wraith7298]

I mean... you're watching an MCU movie. We're 14 years into the MCU and I think expecting something to not look like an MCU movie you're going to be disappointed. There's a look and feel that they go for in these movies. When I see an MCU movie I want it to feel like an MCU movie. I get where he was going as far as seeing all these different universes that they passed through. You see that, and you think, "what's going on there? Ooh! What's going on there?! OOH! What's going on THERE?!" But I think any one of those would potentially derail the story, because it would have been all focus on a world that we probably would only spend a few moments in, or it would have been TOO different where it didn't fit in the overall story. As for the cameos, I liked how they handled it. I did audibly gasp when I was John Krasinski. Like everyone, I have seen the fan casting and I was like "They did it... those crazy sons of bitches, they did it." I also have seen some concerns about it being too scary for younger kids. I was a bit worried because my kids really like the MCU movies and it's one of those things we look forward to seeing is the next MCU movie. My girls are 10 and almost 6, so when I heard about it, I asked both of my daughters if they still wanted to see the movie. They both said yes, and my youngest said, "Dad, just sit next to me so if it's too scary I'll turn into you." She didn't flinch once, and I didn't feel like the concern was warranted. It felt overly dramatic warning. My youngest, as we were driving home said, "there was nothing in there that was too scary for me." But then again, one of her favorite shows is Stranger Things, so..... bottom line is, you know your kids. If they're okay with the MCU they'll more than likely be okay here, but if some scary imagery bothers them, then maybe reconsider.

[@xandercorvin1947]

If Adam would have got what he had wanted to each multiverse become weirder & weirder….easily we could have end up with movie just as long as the extended cut of the LOTR:The Return of the King…

[@wraith7298]

@@xandercorvin1947 I'd probably still be sitting in the theater at this very moment! :-D

[@ispeakfacts3538]

This movie has too many plot holes and it was rushed on and a whole bunch of random nonsense that didn’t make any sense only to get a quick pay day but only the uneducated/delusional marvel fans will defend garbage🤣🤣🤣

[@Mr_Cinematic]

Yooooo if you liked this you should also check out my review for Multiverse of madness BRAH

[@pendaflux]

I agree with you. All of the choices they made were satisfying and practical to me. But your post reminded me of something that I had an issue with, which was how easily Wong gave in to Wanda’s demands. I think they must have toned down the depravity that he witnessed and the puppet wizards must have been much creepier than what we got.

[@zeuswill1056]

I couldn't take my eye off the guys broken door (closer?l) that he highlighted by hanging a star from it... ahaha..is that a reference to star/doors?!?!

[@MJ-tb4sx]

Loved this film I thought it captured the essence of the weirdness and unpredictability of a character like Doctor strange aswell as capturing the fun and madness that exists within comic books at their best I thought the fast pace was great and landed a hand to expressing the frantic nature of multiverse as tge whole film is literally like a crazy trip with many gun and shocking moments I like that they went for more classical horror elements rather than full on exorcist style horror as this allowed the mild horror tone to blend well with the other heroic and universe expanding themes in the film id give this a 4 and a half out of five stars: not 5 stars because their were three moments I remember in the film that were slightly skimmed over whereby although they just about worked as explanations gor those moments were a slight stretch and although I thought the pacing was great: fast pace but with smooth transitions overall i feel like for those three moments 7 minutes each so 20 minutes of extra screen time would have added abit of extra flesh yo make those moments work perfectly however if their was an extra 20 minutes it may have interfered with the fast pace of the film which I believed helped lend an a hand to the fun and adventure of the film as it felt like the film had the perfect run time, my only other gripe was the way one of the illuminati was killed as I felt one of them should've survived that moment however it was highly effective in displaying wonders power and that she was underestimated by them also I love how we are given an unhinged and unstable version of he illuminati in the timeliness who have killed one of their freinds "dr strange", lied to the world and basically weren't able to stop their univers being trashed, Black bolts smirk seemed unchariterustically cock of him in that particular moment, reed Richards gave away black bolts power and morro had some how managed to infiltrate the illuminati although he was obviously evil in that timeliness aswell I picked up on all of that and r4alised that these characters were unstable versions of themselves as displayed by their poor decision making in the moments in the scene aswell as their previous actions I also loved the magic music notes scene as it was a great embodiment of dr strange being "strange" it was a weird moment but was epic and they're were many moments like that even the joke about spiderman and weather he shoots website from his behind like a spider didn't have me rolling my eyes because its a viable question you may ask if you heard someone could do everything a spider could overall I loved the film because firstly it was great fun and visually exciting secondly the acting was great great performances all around especially Wanda and dr strange thirdly I understood all the little nuances in the film that were utilised to establish the strange world of distance and why things that people complained about ( most complaints I've seen aren't detailed jus their wasn't enough multiverse, they killed the illuminati so quickly, wasn't emotional enough) their were emotional moments from beginning to end , it's called multiverse of madness and the film delivered on that as thus was the biggest exploration of the multiverse so far and indeed their were many mad moments honestly I don't understand what more people wanted from this film those who wanted more multiverse; why explore more whole of the multiverse in one film when they explored enough their are plenty of films in the future to explore further no pint jumping from place to place just for a thousand cameos with no plot reason + it would have made the film cluttered furthermore their was more than enough multivers also multiverse of madness doesn't insinuate a thousand jumps through the multiverse so I don't understand where people grasped that expectation from people complaining about wonder all of a sudden being evil when it was explained that she was corrupted by the dark hold; what more explanation do you need I didn't even watch all of wondervision and the things explained int the film were very clear to me, people saying dr strange was outshines when cumberbatch gave a great performance wands performance was however undoubtedly the best but then again she's the villain; villains are supposed to be given free reigns instead of praising the film for having a great villain people are complaining, despite the great villain thist still definately was and felt like a dr strange film with Wanda as a big side character however the question posed was about dr strange morality from the beginning; I could go on forever but I'll conclude by saying I loved this film

[@barracuda0405]

I absolutely loved this movie! Especially Raimi's influence with adding some horror elements together with Elfman's composing, the whole movie felt super refreshing and new compared to the last movies

[@megamikethemovieman]

What’s your favorite horror movie of all time?

[@barracuda0405]

@@megamikethemovieman probably midsommar

[@ronrockstarr]

I think that they carefully gave us a taste/ introduction of what to expect in this multiverse. I felt like they didn't want to give too much but just enough to know that this can go anywhere and deliver a vast of possibilities.

[@EyedNine]

the problem is is that we've been getting "tastes" of the multiverse ever since Endgame. Spiderman 2&3 included it, Loki included it a LOT, and what if? was even about the multiverse, but when this movie's main selling point was the multiverse, they touched very little about it

[@ronrockstarr]

@@EyedNine I think that the miniseries "WhatIf?"served it purpose for that should have in theory. Yes, they dabbled with it in previous movies but to actually go explore it is different from what we seen. Could they have possibly given more in the multiverse of madness... sure.. but I'm sure that they will give more and more of this in movies to come and tie it all together.

[@vanillawafer1182]

What do you expect? In the grand scheme of things. I'm not sure what people are expecting honestly, in respect to the fact that there are multiple universes (multiverse). They've already as you said have used this concept to tell various stories already (Endgame, What If, No Way Home, Multiverse of Madness, Loki)

[@ronrockstarr]

@@vanillawafer1182 I think calling it the MoM throws people because they expect more Multiverse and more madness from it. I just think it was a strategic move to not put too much in it and save it for later in other movies

[@vanillawafer1182]

@@ronrockstarr Alt universe Doctor Strange dies, Garganta wreaking having in the middle of New York (gets eyeball impaled), Wanda literally killing hundreds of sorcerers and terrorizing the main characters in the process, Illuminati all get gruesomely killed by Wanda, alt universe Doctor Strange gets possesed and zombiefied and gets a bad ass cape made of demon souls, Wanda eerily travels through mirrors and such, we get a brief glimps of The Living Tribunal, Red is green in some universes, Professor X literally gets his neck snapped in the astral plane and she literally makes him snap his neck in the physical world and we see him immediately go dead eyed, we get an unambiguously evil Doctor Strange who has taken pleasure in killing other Stranges and he has a literal musical battle with 616 Doctor Strange, we just casually see DEAD Thanos in the corner of the screen on his home planet (impaled at that)... I mean the list goes on, is all of this not madness???? Seriously, is all of this not madness? Again, tell me exactly what you expected in a cohesive and coherent movie?

[@totemwolfie2]

Wow, I remember reading Wizard back in the day, and absolutely loved it when they did fancasting. Wizard magazine was so much fun.

[@anojejanathanan8226]

Two things that would have been the movie 10x better (Movie flow was great already, but these two aspects would have made it perfect). 1.) TV spots should have never shown Captain Carter at all and Professor X a second time. They should have left the trailer hint appearence for Professor X ONLY so it would not give too much away. 2.) Deadpool would have have been perfect to appear in the scene where Strange is in a holding cell before meeting the Illuminati, he ends up being put in a cell with Deadpool where they meet and discuss and multiverse understanding (Comedic scene as both Strange and Deadpool have similar experiences). Deadpool/Colossus will then reappear near the end of the movie to help Wong and Strange save America Chavez from Maximoff. During a Wanda-Deadpool fight scene, Deadpool will get a flashback caused by Wanda of Vanessa's death which continues to further establish Deadpool's pain and overall dark tone of Dr Strange 2. Overall, the cameos should have ONLY been the Illuminati along with Deadpool and Colossus would have been the icing on the cake. Too many cameos is not necessary. Only Illuminati and surprise Deadpool-Colossus contribution to the storyline would have made this movie ranked WAY higher than it already is. There was a definitely chance to blend Deadpool into the storyline without ruining the tone and keeping the tone of the movie as dark and sad. This will also set up hints and desires for future MCU movies such as New X Men, Secret Wars, etc.

[@celestemarin7010]

I agree with Adam. Wandavision blew my mind for its winding story telling and emotional honesty and power. This film didn’t hit either of those notes, and the plot is surprisingly linear for a “multiverse of Madness” title/promise. It’s also emotionally flat and that was the most disappointing, since strong emotional needs were supposedly what drove each of the characters.

[@howdydutt1e]

It’s a tv show vs a movie

[@zachbarry1992]

Agreed

[@getreal4real169]

I totally agree

[@Mr_Cinematic]

Yooooo if you liked this you should also check out my review for Multiverse of madness BRAH

[@bperez8656]

Adam sounds toxic and impossible to please

[@grierg5038]

It wasn't bad just people expected more. This was was a Doctor strange 2 movie through and through. This is the first movie that is slowly introducing us to the Multiverse and the idea that Mcu fans will need to be watching Disney plus as well to understand things going forward. The movie was not supposed to be an extreme wide scope of the multiverse they have years to do that and cant drop an Avengers style multiverse movie right away they are just getting everyone onto the idea that they can do anything and that any characters and actors can appear playing these characters they opened to door for whats to come with this movie well keeping it some what grounded in a way that felt like a Doctor Strange 2 not and Endgame type epic build up. Disney wants us to know how everything is so pivotal going forward. The film wasnt amazing but was fun to watch and strings us along for massive Characters like The FF4 and Mephisto, Doctor Doom, Annihilus and the negative zone and hopefully King Thanos and Knull. If Thanos was a massive threat across the multiverse and almost every universe knew of him you can expect him to be back.Would amazing to have Thanos back either as King Thanos or another version so we can have the famous Thanos and Adam Warlock dialogue that we get in the comics. Surfer and the Magus to follow would be amazing and the Universal Church of Truth. The movie was a 7 out of 10 for me

[@_itsmunah]

This was a Wanda movie tho.. and the multiverse stuff in dr strange and spiderman having nothing to do with the Loki series which literally sets up the multiverse for the mcu. Marvel just seems all over the place now.

[@koanlover]

Comparing this movie to Everything Everywhere All At Once, the pacing of Multiverse of Madness felt super jerky. The pacing kept getting interrupted every time Dr. Strange got pulled away from Wanda into another universe. Time seems to stop whenever he leaves, and thus it feels like the immediacy of a problem ceases. Additionally, multiverse of madness had super campy lines and deliveries. It also didn't help that America Chavez's actor is super young and her performance felt very stiff. Overall the movie was fine, but it wasn't amazing. There were too many things that broke immersion for me.

[@jazzyjaz0105]

Agreed 💯💯

[@doggiehowzer]

I think if they were going through different multiverses randomly, it wouldn't have tied into the ending where Strange saw that America was actually directing their destinations to where they needed to go. And even What If established that there are certain anchor points which don't seem to change much between universes. I would have thought Sinister Strange was pretty strange/different from the other two universes.

[@HaleysTusk]

I'm not sure if it was because of the spoilers I was exposed to, but I left the movie feeling underwhelmed. It was basically a by the numbers 'video game' plot line dressed in Sam Raimi directing. After 2 movies and several guest appearances, I still don't have a grasp of "Dr Strange". Cumberbatch 'looks' like him, but he's written inconsistently as Strange, too quippy and maybe not 'serious' enough....

[@ZeronikHaDa]

I didn't get spoiled at all and I had the same feeling. It was okay but not amazing. The effects and cgi were, story wise.... What they did to Wanda infuriates me the most tho

[@TheFreshSoundsFlorida]

I agree with Dr Strange being written inconsistently.

[@lw8099]

Strange has always been weirdly presented. Because it's like he's a Tony Surrogate. Most interactions i've seen of Strange in shows, showed him as a confident but also guru like person. Not a snarky quippy person like Stark or most of the other cast. I still like that Sam Raimi got to show off his Raimi style...which since Ragnarok the directors seem to have a lot more freedom to be less MCU formula like. But yes I agree with you. I feel that I have no reason to really see this film again in it's entirety. It is a film that basically rewards dedicated people seeing all the MCU films and shows but it did not put the effort to make it a nice stand alone film...or sequel. If anything it's not Dr. Strange 2. It's Wandavision Season 1.5/Spiderman No Way Home Sidestory/Marvel Multiverse Chapter 3.

[@iwouldliketoorderanumber1b79]

He’s evolving he is still making stupid mistakes like ironman did for a long time. But that’s why I didn’t pay attention to all the plot leaks, I didn’t go into it looking for cameos either. I just wanted to see how it moved strange and Wanda story forward.

[@dustinfocus]

Kevin Feige was correct - there were way too many trailers. I think I would have been emotionally bonked if I would have seen zombie strange or Wanda touching Wanda for the first time in the theatre. Trailers game got us on this one, broh

[@josephmach4602]

Have to agree that this movie didn't advance anything and set up future movies. With scenes that weren't included, this could have been released on Disney+ as a 5 - 6 episode series. Wasn't bad, but wasn't great either.

[@lazysod3]

Didn’t advance anything?! Just a little thing called Secret Wars, the collapse of the entire multiverse. Yeah, not much.

[@justingoers]

It advanced the character of Doctor Strange. It introduced America Chavez. It wrapped a major personal arc for he Scarlet Witch. The post credit scene set up a potential new companion for Doctor Strange. It gave us our first glimpse of Inhumans, FF and just the tip of X-men in the MCU. It did a lot and I don’t think every movie needs to full commit to advance the universe-wide plot. That gets a little predictable.

[@Mr_Cinematic]

Yoooooo if you liked this you should also check out my review for Multiverse of madness BRAH

[@davemcg77]

While not totally contextually relevant, I believe that the music fight in this movie was one of the coolest and most unique fight scenes in the entire MCU! ❤️

[@vsopx9410]

I felt like when john was talking strange it sounded like a parent talking to a child. the tone. also captian marvel seemed super aggressive in just conversation compared to the others. that seemed STRANGE

[@BeardofBeesPool]

Whole movie felt like an extended episode of Wanda Vision. The part when Wanda was chasing after them in the tunnels similarly to Terminator 1, that was the best horror thing Sam Raimi could think of?

[@HowdyDuty4]

Wanda escaping mirror verse, prof x’s death, the zombie Strange. All these are hallmark Raimi horror. What I don’t understand is why people think it should be scary, horror isn’t just scary and Raimi never excelled at scary horror

[@BeardofBeesPool]

@@HowdyDuty4 Zombie Strange didn't really feel like horror.. I like the part when he took control of those ghost demons.. That looked cool. As for Professor X, it felt like a cheap death getting his neck snapped like it was nothing.

[@murk4552]

@@BeardofBeesPool they're variants moron and in the comics the Illuminati are overconfident idiots who believe they can handle anything after defeating someone like Thanos. You guys act like they didn't spell it out for you. They never dealt with beings mastering dark magic, just Strange who was out of his literal depth as a sorcerer.

[@FireJach]

because it's directly connected

[@AJGraham83]

The whole tunnel scene was confusing to me. Why is she slowly limp chasing people when 1) she can fly and 2) that she could literally make them stop. Towards the end the chase the camera angle even showed how close she was. Did she suddenly need to physically capture them? Then they just stand there wondering if THIS door was going to stop her? So much senselessness to create a “scary” chase? Blackbolt harmed internally by his own power… Prof X one hit KO’d for a “scared moment”. The contortions to inject far from horrific horror moments.

[@CassiusGregori]

I had a few key issues with this movie that really downgrade it for me. 1. Something about the visuals, especially in the first act, felt off in a way that reminded me of the Spy Kids films more than anything else. I can't put my finger on exactly what causes this, but it really prevented me from getting into the story early on. 2. Wanda's heel turn does not feel earned or justified, especially after how WandaVision resolves. Having her be seduced or corrupted by the Darkhold is fine, but the way that that is connected to her kids just doesn't work for me. 3.The movie comes dangerously close to being an idiot plot. If Wanda had managed to get America's powers in the first scene or two, or just sent by America to one of these dimensions, she most likely would have eventually been confronted with her children seeing her as a monster. This may very well have had a much lower body count. 4. The sub-plot of the Scarlett Witch being a prophesied destroyer/conqueror of the multiverse added nothing to the plot at all, and generally just cluttered up an already packed film. 5. The mage battle between the two Dr. Stranges using musical notes made basically zero sense in the context of their known abilities, and was just so unnecessarily weird that it launched me all the way out of immersion in the film, which I never really recovered from. That all being said. Elizabeth Olsen's acting in this was some of the best I've seen. Her control over her fine facial muscles in some of these scenes blew my mind, and undead Strange and his spirit cloak was one of the coolest things I've seen in an Marvel film in years.

[@leolow2057]

Yep agree with the music note shit. We could have 2 epic magic battle BUT NO LET'S HAVE SOME BEETHOVEN SHIT.

[@Lilfairyxo]

Am I the only one that loved the music note fight? I thought it was pretty clever

[@publicaccess7417]

@@Lilfairyxo I thought it was kinda cool too. But to much showing of the cheap looking demons and demonic stuff it was way overdone and too repetitive

[@theclayishone]

Right? They want some weird shit. Having a music battle is pretty f’n weird.

[@Intothesunset89]

Haha parts of it reminded me of Scooby Doo. There were so many shots where it literally hurt to look at with how it was shot.

[@dertoning]

First time commenter, long time viewer. You do a great job btw. Question: Was not Wanda supposed to be a nexus being?

[@kroanosm617]

Great discussion on the movie. Everyone provided valid points to back their opinions. Sometimes I read reviews by so called film critics and it's just nonsense. It's more difficult to break down a movie like this because while the movie is a fun watch it's not the greatest so there's a lot of good and bad but nothing too extreme in either direction. Nothing really terrible but nothing really great.

[@TimSedai]

The story was MUCH more grounded than I expected but I think they pulled it off. Wanda's arc seems... Off after Wandavision's end but handwaving tye Darkhold worked for that. The cameos were solid and I like how they've further setup Young Avengers AND Secret Wars. I could wish an actual Marvel baddie was string-pulling all along but overall it was solid. The body horror was well done but not over the top and the score fit the mood well. Looking forward to Clea helping Strange continue to get over Christine while opening his eyes to all new magicks. Good stuff.

[@TimSedai]

@Zer0Fukz how so?

[@ispeakfacts3538]

This movie has too many plot holes and it was rushed on and a whole bunch of random nonsense that didn’t make any sense only to get a quick pay day but only the uneducated/delusional marvel fans will defend garbage🤣🤣🤣

[@Mr_Cinematic]

Yooooo if you liked this you should also check out my review for Multiverse of madness BRAH

[@TimSedai]

@@ispeakfacts3538 you internet edgelords are adorable. It's ok for people to like things you don't

[@ispeakfacts3538]

@@TimSedai Gonna whine and try to defend these facts snowflake? I’ll have a bottle and pacifier waiting for ya 😘🤣. This movie was rushed on and a whole bunch of random nonsense that didn’t make any sense only to get a quick pay day but only the uneducated/delusional marvel fans will defend garbage🤣🤣🤣

[@joewyatt2269]

They could have remedied the third eye thing by just having it appear on his head in the post credit scene without explanation. I agree it did seem disjointed from last scene to post credit. And a little weird that he's just walking down the street in both.

[@namegoeshere5220]

Or combine the scenes. Clea shows up and tells Strange to help her as things have gotten bad and are about to get worse. Cut the tired "unless you're scared" bit. Have Strange start to question it before his head starts to hurt. Show a surprised and worried Clea, to imply she isn't responsible. Then the eye forms and he does the screaming gag. Movie ends. End credits just be the Bruce joke. Maybe have a Thor thing as the second credit thing, if we have to have two.

[@juanify9707]

I think the main problem is the title. They shouldn't be naming the movie Multiverse of Madness when it isn't entirely about Multiverse. It's just like Wanda chasing Strange and America for the entire movie and it didn't showcase the Multiverse element. That's the main reason why people are disappointed because they are expecting a Multiverse adventure rather than just 3 total universes in the whole movie.

[@NNUSonria]

I agree that the cliffhanger ending should be The Ending scene. It got me so confused when one moment Strange was screaming 👁 and afterwards he's fine.

[@ladydiana2905]

It was such a waste! It had ended with a creepy foreboding and then “ok nvm”

[@godlikemonolith]

The Illuminati should have been seen in action before Wanda…..seeing them fight Thanos would have worked and then it would have been more shocking Wanda beating them so easily.

[@dr.stephenstrange8471]

I feel many people were underwhelmed because they were expecting so much, i think more time was needed on this movie, they needed to explain why Wanda was doing what she was doing better, 20 more minutes was have been perfect to explain more. They were many good part however, I like the use of dead defender strange. I love how brutal and relentless Wanda was in full strength, Wanda will kill and chase anyone no matter what. This movie plot is very different and I for the first multiverse movie it’s very good, I think they will 100% expand on this. Edit: What I mean by motivations is Wandas character development during both WandaVision Conpared to Dr Strange 2. I have watched WandaVision, its my bad that I didn't make it clear on what I was trying to say.

[@TheUltimateWriterNZ]

You didn’t understand Wanda’s motivation?

[@ispeakfacts3538]

This emovie has soo many plot holes and it was rushed on and a whole bunch of random nonsense that didn’t make any sense only to get a quick pay day but only the uneducated/delusional marvel fans will defend garbage🤣🤣🤣

[@tulip5210]

Did you watch Wanda vision?

[@tulip5210]

@@ispeakfacts3538 they literally had years of delays due to Covid they had time 😭

[@AmeerahMuhammad]

Wanda had nine episodes of WandaVision to explain her motivation. At this point if people haven’t taken the time to watch the MCU properties that’s a personal problem lol. I knew EXACTLY what her motivation was because I’d seen WandaVision. We are over a decade into this franchise. We have moved past hand holding for every bit of character development.

[@dpreetam]

I loved this movie. It was the perfect combination of philosophy, tragedy, useful fan service and horror.

[@megamikethemovieman]

What was your favorite part?

[@N0VEMBYR]

@@megamikethemovieman My favorite part was when they introduced America’s lesbian moms! It added a lot to the story and was the most meaningful 15 seconds of the film honestly. I really appreciate how they took the time and put their hearts and hard work in to add the subtle details that make everyone feel included!! Not to mention they even went out of their way to make sure the Latinx community was included by hiring Xochitl Gomez!!! I’m so pleased that disney has been going so above and beyond lately, and I love that they also make sure there is enough representation for People Of Color. I personally loved the kissing scene in Lightyear as well, which was another fantastic film. It was such a great way to introduce homosexuality to my non-binary 6 year old. They were a little confused but we/us had the opportunity to talk about it on the ride home after!!!! I hope that the government can legalize R rated movies for everyone so I can bring they with my husband and birthing person to the cinema for films that will sneak in some scenes that will be a great topics of discussion for my child. For example, I would love to see more non-binary and transgender characters explore their genders, sexualities and kinks! It will add a lot to the plot so everyone is included and it will also help me introduce them to superhero role models who are also trans or non-binary!!!!!! I can’t wait to see Valkyrie explore her queerness in Love and Thunder, trust me I will be seeing it at least twice! Thank you disney, take my money! And thank you Latoya Braveneau for your secret gay agenda! Trans, non-binary, genderqueer, genderfluid, non-conforming, pansexual, demi-gender, POC, Latinx, Indianx, and everyone but white straight cis persons UNITE!!!!!!!!!!! BLM ANTIFA CHURCH OF SATAN 4EVER ✊🏿 🏳️‍🌈🏳️‍⚧️🏳️‍🌈✊🏿🏳️‍⚧️🏳️‍🌈🏳️‍⚧️✊🏿🏳️‍🌈🏳️‍⚧️🏳️‍🌈✊🏿🏳️‍⚧️🏳️‍🌈🏳️‍⚧️✊🏿

[@dartheternal4078]

1.) America Chavez was a living/breathing mcuffing for Strange and buddies to have a way to mpve through the Multiverse and she was never created nor used in any media (escpecially in this one) as she never was created as a good character to begin with. 2) Hyping up the most powerful artifact/relic/magical item in all of the Kamar-Taj sorcerers inventory and then just showing it for under a minute before burning it away and forgetting it for the rest of the movie, even tho in the start of the movie it seemed important. As my fellow comic fans know, The Book of the Vishanti is THE opposite thriving force against the Darkhold and literally one the most important things Strange & buddies have in their inventory. 3) Strange in the credits scene, where Clea appears to him, talking him about the incursion and fixing it, not bad BUT the thing that bothers me a lot is that our modern Strange was still connected to the raw chaos magic and power of Chthon, even tho he is supposed to be the exact opposite to Wanda. To be more clear, Wanda is the champion/chosen one of Chthon, whereas Strange is the Vishanti's. Wanda holds the book of Chthon a.k.a the Darkhold, whereas Strange wields it's polar opposite the Book of the Vishanti and of course Oshtur united with her son, Agamotto and her alien-god friend Hoggoth to form the Vishanti against Chthon. 4) Chavez being the only 'her' one in the Multiverse doesn't make sense regarding with SO MANY things in the MCU and the comics. 5) The absolute garbage thing is to hear the writers talk about the MCU as the universe 616 disgusts. The MCU is not the 616 and it never will/shall be. The last point also should be enough to concern you, that if America is the only 'her' in the Multiverse, then how tf she didn't have any original connection to the main cast/events happened in the mcu etc, etc. 6) They never explained what's the thing with the Eye of Agamotto for now. Most likely as we saw it was used like an actual Eye of Agamotto, it still contained the power that Agamotto has made it to have. 7) In the end of the first Strange movie we see Mordo doing the "now I know what's wrong with the world, too many sorcerers" but never see "our" mcu Mordo to begin with after that but all we hear is that he had clashed one or two times with Strange after the first movie. Problem being they told us about it and not showed the action. Overall, even though how hardcore Strange I am and have been for the longest time, this movie had A LOT of big and too overwhelming mistakes that just cannot be overlooked. But as I have witnessed, there are too much blind ppl watching this and forgetting the lore, history, pasing and overall flaws and just calling it clean and perfect from the start. This movie was about a Wanda's story after WandaVision and Multiversal Taxi made manifest taking Strange and buddies through WaCkY aDvEnTuReS through the Multiverse and not a true Strange sequel.

[@danforward3913]

People seem to have a very measured reaction to this, but I absolutely loved it. Perhaps my favorite MCU film, but certainly near the top. Heroes fighting heroes are always the best. Strange harnessing the power of the damned to fight the Scarlet Witch. Black Bolt's head exploding once he lost his mouth. Absolutely incredible.

[@ispeakfacts3538]

This movie has too many plot holes and it was rushed on and a whole bunch of random nonsense that didn’t make any sense only to get a quick pay day but only the uneducated/delusional marvel fans will defend garbage🤣🤣🤣

[@danforward3913]

@@ispeakfacts3538 it's ok to like different things 😀

[@ispeakfacts3538]

@@danforward3913 Gonna whine and try to defend these facts snowflake? I’ll have a bottle and pacifier waiting for ya 😘🤣. movie has too many plot holes and it was rushed on and a whole bunch of random nonsense that didn’t make any sense only to get a quick pay day but only the uneducated/delusional marvel fans will defend garbage🤣🤣🤣

[@Mr_Cinematic]

Yooooo if you liked this you should also check out my review for Multiverse of madness BRAH

[@greatloverofkrishna]

@@ispeakfacts3538 dc batman is the real hot garbage

[@FireJach]

Wanda was literally a monste from a horror movie who said what she wants Dr. Strange has learnt his choices are even more imporant than he thought. Thanks to his variants he is smarter. It's cool they teased Dr Strange has the third eye (darkhold affects on him) what might add more depth to his character in the future.

[@megamikethemovieman]

Do you think we get a Doctor Strange 3 movie?

[@joshuaroman6479]

I actually really loved John Krasinski as Reed Richards, and I think it's a good thing to point out that they probably didn't get to do a lot of that stuff together as actors. But I thought he had the dignity and yet the kindness that I would expect from Mr. Fantastic. I hope he comes back for more stuff!