Does Great Art Require Suffering? David Choe on The Rich Roll Podcast

Rich Roll sits down with artist David Choe to discuss his wild life story and share thoughts on addiction, sobriety, creativity, and the journey to self-love. To read more about David and peruse the full show notes, go here👉🏾bit.ly/richroll626
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00:00:00 - Introduction
00:02:31 - Struggling with Feeling Less Than
00:11:13 - David's Story About Graffiti
00:16:57 - Feeling Enough with Art
00:25:55 - Asking for Permission
00:34:33 - Understanding Trauma from Our Parents
00:35:47 - Voicing Change
00:36:46 - Back to the Podcast
00:39:34 - The Podcasting Workaholic
00:45:54 - The Mistake of Thinking that "Great Pain = Great Art"
00:50:47 - Taking a Year Off
00:54:15 - David's OCD & Stealing
00:59:08 - David's Addiction to Gambling
01:12:34 - Getting Out While You're Ahead & Friendship
01:20:59 - Deciding to Be in Recovery
01:24:13 - What David's Recovery Looks Like
01:30:25 - The Loss of a Friend to Overdose
01:37:08 - Anonymity. Protection from Shame.
01:43:32 - Training Loved Ones to Respect Boundaries
01:55:30 - The Choe Show
02:20:14 - Last Hurdle of Getting Over Being a Workaholic
02:30:47 - Last Words for the One Who Silently Struggles
02:35:57 - Closing Remarks
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[@jamesmanriquez3493]

"and beneath it all is this child who is deeply sensitive and naturally very empathetic who has trouble processing all the emotional stimuli that the world is throwing at him, compensates for that through all manor of behavior and creating all kinds of chaos. Only to return to this place where he has to heal himself so that he can embrace his natural tendency toward empathy and celebrate his sensitivity" rich roll always with the perfectly articulated wisdom

[@joshrich6814]

Beautiful

[@zymusic9346]

Sounds like a bunch of commie gobbledygook

[@kona-fl7fl]

@@zymusic9346 I find it odd that you feel it hits you that way, what about that do you think gave you that impression?

[@davidjohnson-hg4cf]

My friends name is Tyler Chris Auer. He is that sensitive empath u speak of and he still lives.

[@omaralanezi5160]

Syssysysssysssysyesusssssysssu

[@0oMag]

Every time Dave does a pod, it's a therapy session for him, and also for me.

[@craigcampbell765]

Same...somehow helps me learn more about myself

[@papichulo9282]

My name is khan and I'm not a terrorist

[@jamesday2775]

Well said hes very impactful. Im abit newer to him but woah hes great imo

[@Shtriga_34]

This is the second podcast that ive seen of his. I loved the one on joe rogan but seeing this one just made me see the reality. I dont think hes bad per say but defntly makes up alot of stuff for attention. I just read that hes a pathological liar which i kept thinking while watching the podcast as ive known someone who was one. Also hes been diagnosed with sociopathy, i think you should take wt he says with a grain of salt. Im definItely not going to watch anymore of his stuff.

[@ZickPranks]

Its by design sheep

[@uzisworld2394]

Growing up Korean-American with a super religious mom who won't respect boundaries, having unconventional addiction issues, having trouble validating childhood abuse, struggling with intrinsic shame, I thought I was alone in this struggle. Thanks David Choe, for not giving a fuck and being yourself. Not even my therapist can help me recognize and acknowledge my traumas as abuse, but hearing it from someone else who lived such a similar experience is helping me address these wounds more than therapy can.

[@sofresh37]

I love your comment. I emigrated here from SW Africa. Super religious authoritarian parents, childhood trauma, struggled with addiction… same. This was good for my soul. His voice and his authenticity. Just gold. 💛

[@Chayzification]

Same here, but Korean-Australian. You're not alone. That Tigerbelly ep.300 changed something inside of me. Watch that if you haven't already

[@forgethehype]

felt this to the mf core. you’re not alone

[@paullee5702]

Korean-American [check] Mom who won't respect boundaries [check] Abusive father [check] Unconventional addiction issues [maybe-not-so-much] Hey man, hugs from one Korean-American to another !

[@ganktuh]

im kim chi too and all this shit about his childhood is some typical korean stuff. it goes deeper than his parents. they probably went thru way worse as children.

[@lwandie260]

There's a level of radical honesty that Dave brings to the table that is unlike anything else I've ever experienced. He bears the messiness of what it's like to be human so openly. He has lived such a narly life, it's crazy. I'm grateful to him for sharing his story and to Rich for having him on.

[@jasonchristenson1]

He talks a lot. That’s all I can say about him.

[@Victor-ul4qq]

Dave ran so we can fly ❤️

[@b_i_l_l_w_i_l_l_i_a_m_s_o_n]

@@jasonchristenson1 next time just say nothing

[@jasonchristenson1]

@@b_i_l_l_w_i_l_l_i_a_m_s_o_n i think he's great but he creates problems by believing pseudo-intellectual nonsense. he's extra. like just chill dude. say less

[@b_i_l_l_w_i_l_l_i_a_m_s_o_n]

@@jasonchristenson1 I’m sure that he needs you there to tell him what or how much he should or shouldn’t say. Like I said in my original comment, you should say less

[@fujidenzo_kid4147]

I still remember David in JRE, him crying about Bourdain will forever be in my mind.

[@hughiedavies6069]

Why ? Because he showed a little emotion publicly, ? Or because he expressed something similar to what you felt? I'm not criticising you, I just wondered why it will always stay with you?... By the way I. really liked Anthony Bourdain, and I've had suicide in my family and my head, many attempts. But I just wondered why that would stay with you?( I've seen it)

[@PrettyGJulio]

I think it was a bit pitiful. They weren’t that close.

[@jamesoconnor9452]

“Every addiction is a gambling addiction.” Profound. David could also be a writer if he wanted to.

[@28gold28]

1:08:10

[@DanHunterSportsWriter]

Don't agree with that at all. Way to general. People who drink or take drugs are addicted to booze and narcotics, not the thrill of gambling. Taking resulting risks like driving drunk is not what they are addicted to. The gambler is addicted to the risk of the bet. Very different.

[@mrgrandtheftauto8992]

@@DanHunterSportsWriter who…. Asked

[@DanHunterSportsWriter]

@@mrgrandtheftauto8992 who... Asked. cryptic

[@calebhatcher5789]

@@DanHunterSportsWriterhe’s not saying it in a away that means all addicts have a drive for adrenaline and choose to do drugs or alcohol to create a sense of danger, but being an addict means you know what your addicted to has the ability to destroy you but your brain can’t stop. You can’t help to fight the risk vs reward.

[@risk19l]

I love hearing David Choe talk. Especially when he's abruptly interrupted by an interviewer while he's in the middle of telling his story. Doesn't pull me out of the scene at all.

[@CallumWarrenArt]

I could just listen to Dave talk all day. He is so genuine.

[@Jess-xl1wd]

Exactly! I've been watching so many hours of his interviews the last few days. I love his perspective. It's epic!

[@raphaelgabriel9815]

this podcast in my feed is like Christmas

[@juanpadilla3203]

David Choe makes every podcast episode he’s on, the best episode of whatever show he was on.

[@garysanders2008]

i agree 1000 percent

[@richiecuna5781]

reason i really like joe rogan is cause of this kind of person being on his show

[@TokersDomain]

@@richiecuna5781 Yea esp where he talks about raping a chick

[@CrabbyPattydelight]

​@@TokersDomainyes and Joe likes horse meat, tom green needs to get on there

[@lewis1180]

Having DAVID CHOE and GABOR MATE on the same podcast would be EPIC; the honesty of David combined with the knowledge of GABOR!

[@roypaz5331]

Wow I'd pay good money to see that

[@lewis1180]

@@roypaz5331 Me too. Some PAY PER VIEW type of thing.

[@IDontLikePplPlayinOnMyPhone]

I’ve never heard anyone else articulate the way they self sabotaged with the hopes of it causes self destruction by proxy before. I’m grateful af to hear this.

[@watermonsters1810]

"All addictions are gambling addictions," I've never thought of it that way but that's so true.

[@shotcalla187]

Came for David Choe, stayed and subscribed for a solid, well-spoken host.

[@missmyoldhandle24]

also, I've been a PTSD therapist for the last 15 years and this is one of the greatest conversations I've ever heard. I ended up sending it to many of my clients and it them benefited as well. Thank you #DavidChoe. I know you will not see this...but you are truly amazing

[@chuanjiang8797]

im looking for someone to tlak to about my issues

[@NASkeywest]

@@chuanjiang8797 there are therapist and doctors everywhere

[@CrabbyPattydelight]

​@@NASkeywestyes and expensive as hell, and they just teach you to rearrange the furniture in your prison cell, instead of healing the trauma, life got better quiting therapy, there's better solutions to whatever ails you

[@shawnwasabi]

thank you david choe

[@Jed800]

David Choe always reminds me of what a genuine person looks like

[@Origamibeats]

Woah this one is hitting

[@AVONEUS]

Choe is a top 5 podcast guest of all time.

[@eliotglas8169]

You been a goat producer for years

[@josephbastidas3561]

@@AVONEUS Fr first I saw him was his appearance on JRE and ever since, he’s been one of my favorites. I enjoy hearing his story and insight.

[@TheShubLub]

01:43:32 - Training Loved Ones to Respect Boundaries Is one of the best sections.

[@jaredgoldman939]

Wow. I am blown away. That is by far one of the most powerful podcasts in a long time. 🙏

[@jasonmarietta2101]

Listen to the Rabbi Finley one if you haven't. Dave and Rabbi Finley are an epic 1 2 punch for me.

[@joshrich6814]

I can't explain how much love I have in my heart for David choe

[@Ipoetize]

Rich, This is my first episode of this podcast and I found it to be beyond real raw and relevant. I cried 4 times not because David was paused by the whelm of his emotions, but by how that whelm allowed him to be more revealing, more open, more vulnerable, which allowed me to see myself in his inner reflection. You both have my respect, my thanks, and I salute you both.

[@Runnersronin6]

Riches meaning of why he runs reminded me of the qoute from Haruki Murakami" By physically running I can exhaust that portion of my discontent. It also makes me realize again how weak I am. How limited are my abilities are. I become aware physically of these low points. And one of the results of running that much further ~ I become a little stronger. "

[@rjc98]

Years ago, the first 2 podcasts I listened to seriously were RRP and DVDASA. Couldn’t be more different and wow, now seeing Rich and David together. My mind is blown!

[@_BASIC_INSTINCT]

exactly the same for me. could not even believe this happened. so grateful to even hear this

[@sekain15]

♾

[@roblincoln10]

Same, this is on a different level than the Rogan podcast I listened to. This chemistry is something else.

[@burningknuckle26]

people dont know how amazing DVDASA truly was. there will never be a podcast like it. i miss it and would love to listen to it again

[@ak5258]

as an indian listening to this especially how he described his relationship with his mom is cathartic to me

[@whyyynotttt]

I use to listen to Dave to hype me up like that Soundgarden song. Now he makes me tear up and look inward. Thanks for this.

[@ttenger6182]

Amazing

[@GOD999MODE]

Probably because he’s done a lot of psychedelics.

[@Beyondhumanlimits1]

Wow the idea about how every addiction is a gambling addiction is amazing

[@stendaalcartography3436]

Also Korean American here. I resonated a lot. I too stole petty things, things people wouldn't miss or notice for a while. I don't know, I also felt righteous then. I haven't stole outside teenage years either. I drank and smoked since early. I was angry boi, looking for excuses to blow up. drugs too. I too had gambling phase. I liked the feeling of losing money. Because I was poor money meant a lot, so to lose it felt good because it resonated it how I actually felt but couldn't articulate since I avoided my shadow as much as I could. I wouldn't make that association for years. I also do art, but every time I went to go sell it or someone offered to buy, I was crushed with low self worth and I refused the sales. I tried to become artist but I became art collector. I too have shame that follows me and shows up unannounced. I never been diagnosed because I prefer no windows in my spaceship as it weakens structural integrity of the ship. I've been making a comeback to the surface but with advent of AI, I wonder if it even matters anymore.

[@darianbroadhead2863]

Turned this on for my long run this morning and did not expect such an incredible episode. Didn’t know a thing about David up until this morning and am so happy I pressed play.

[@umrahsaleh2089]

This conversation reminded me so much of the 1976 movie Network. David is speaking of many of the same themes of eliminating the mediator - the tv or media and living life on his terms - So interesting to see the parallels. Great dialogue.

[@matthewclarke-venters1303]

David is right. If Rich took six months off, he wouldn't lose one fan. Not one. I've been on a Rich Roll Podcast listening hiatus for a while now, but it's so worth it to return to this conversation today. I'll always be a Rich Roll fan.

[@juanafgutierrez]

I'm an addict, I go on hiatus and then I binge on Rich Roll

[@skepticsanalysis528]

I have dreadful PTSD and anxiety. This man reminds me to stay strong…

[@Mmmmkaaay]

There's nothing more interesting than an artist in recovery who is willing to be honest. Great chat!

[@BusinessWolf1]

no, there's a shit ton of things more interesting

[@Mmmmkaaay]

@@BusinessWolf1 Like what? Xbox?🙄🤮

[@marciano3258]

I can feel the emotions in every story David tells it’s heavy

[@solegonz762]

Glad to hear David Choe is married. Heard David now has a baby. Hope this new chapter -of being a parent is blessed.

[@stephenseed5015]

I love David's art, and his show ,need more shows. I'm an artist that privately suffers.

[@DB-rb9pd]

this is the deepest, most important episode you’ve ever had.

[@rameshganesh2696]

I have been a listener of Rich for over 2 years now, and have been motivated in more ways than once to change my life for the better because of the guests you've had...but David Choe's honesty and Rich's honest perspective on David's life has genuinely changed my outlook on life. I'm not strange...I'm myself and can do better in my own way...

[@DkZeria]

What an amazing conversation! So glad to hear that Dave is still in a great place and spreading love, help, and positivity

[@dylannelson501]

You are a goddam national treasure David Choe, thank you for being David Choe. Incredible work Rich, inarguably one of your finest interviews. So much gold in here, and so different from other Choe interviews

[@_M4YD4Y]

This was absolutely amazing !!! It’s great to see the growth and change of David from the DVDASA days. Keep up the GREAT work !!! I will ALWAYS be a fan…

[@lmbranco]

Amazingly honest talk, so many emotions going around, loved it. Thank you Dave and Rich for sharing this with us.

[@chuckmoore9835]

Thank you for this conversation - refreshing!

[@nickg8998]

Amazing show! Incredible honesty from both of you. Great work

[@lynn9935]

With every podcast, my admiration for Rich grows. A phenomenal conversation. Thank you.

[@richroll]

I'm pretty excited about this one -- hope you are too. To read more, check the show notes, etc.👉🏽bit.ly/richroll626

[@lohrss]

This was powerful...

[@slowdownadventures]

This was out of this world. One of your best episodes... Just WOW.

[@nickverduyn7723]

Hi Rich, did something go wrong at 1:07:46 with the editing or did you choose to cut something out? Loving this episode, its epic..

[@philiphodgesnz]

I wouldn’t have thought you’d have David as a guest - stoked to find this - great work!

[@BountifulGardens]

Great interview. Please don't take a year off!!

[@catsteinhilb2880]

This was eye opening on so many levels, on a diverse group of topics, yet touching and impactful in all the same ways. Thank you for your honesty DC. Well done as per RR 🙏🏻❤️ He’s right Rich, we’ll be here…take some time for yourself

[@danalee606]

I finally got to listen to this episode in its entirely yesterday. It really resonated with me, especially since I’m finally dealing with my addiction issues and trying to heal from grief, loss, and past trauma in the last year. Thank you both. I really needed this.

[@kathleenkulp240]

Thank you to both of you for your amazing devotion to being raw and honest, humble and committed to truly showing up as you are. Such a wonderful and insightful discussion, and very hopeful for those of us struggling to find that balance. And I can tell you, Rich, that if you took that 6 months off, I for one would be cheering you on, and watching for your return.

[@abbiegermain8516]

This was absolutely unbelievably amazing to listen to Rich. Thank you so much for allowing us to see such a vulnerable, raw side of David Choe. Your presence is so calming and you held such a judgement-free zone for David to be in. I'm so grateful for David's brutal honesty and was also shocked at how much I could relate to him at times. I am beyond grateful for this conversation as I'm sure none of that was easy to open up about. Thank you both

[@IAMBARNABAS-777]

Amazing podcast, I appreciate the honesty and vulnerability from both of you.

[@brittanylani3009]

I really really needed this. I appreciate the radical honesty from both of you. Thank you

[@rizzomatt]

I’ve heard David interviewed many times. I learn something new every time. Great job Rich!

[@matthewjamesmiller]

This was an unexpected but welcomed conversation. I've followed David for well over a decade and to see his transformation here is wonderful. I am so glad he is in this place where he wants to connect and bare his soul and help other men do the same.

[@vikkienos8030]

Fascinating and thought provoking… thanks for sharing.

[@kelenl5033]

I just discovered David Cho and I want to be his bro. Lol. I relate to his Authenticity. I was born after Korean war, I seen what people went through to survive as a young child. What trauma my single mom had to go through. How this spill over to me. Healing is possible when there is great empathy toward our flawed parents who did their best.

[@ahernc94]

I learn something new about myself every time I hear David speak, he really is an incredible human being.

[@mia_f]

David - I’m so grateful for your voice. I’ve had similar experiences to you (a tenth of it) and you’re so honest about your shame, it really resonates with me. Thanks 🙏

[@SueBluQ]

I am totally blown away by the honesty of both these guys. The best podcast I have ever listened to.

[@anthonyfox477]

Such a timely discussion for where I'm at in my life. Thank you

[@annedanielarodgers8830]

Mother wound, there’s so much shame around it. As you cannot stand for yourself fully, it’s not appropriate, then instead you start hurting yourself. Thank you Dave for being so open about this tabu and thank you Rich for creating a safe environment for an experience to be exposed 🙏❤️🙏

[@sjanoski8878]

❤️💕

[@bradedwards5956]

I love Dave asking Rich if theres anything he's struggling with today. Always love listening to Daves openness and vulnerability. We need more of this in the world.

[@saravandenheuvel9103]

This was beautiful. Thank you 🙏🏻. And on the running. I haven't run ultras, only marathon distance. But when I'm experiencing the exhaustion, the pain, that's when I feel gratitude for being able to feel all that 🙏🏻.

[@jamesm28]

What a beautiful conversation. Thanks to the both of you for your honesty and insights, it touched and moved me very deeply.

[@bretstevens262]

Great interview! Couldn't stop listening to it!. Thank you for this amazing conversation with David Choe!

[@AnnAndNala]

Thank you for having David Choe on as your guest. His real and authentic message today resonated with me deeply. Having suffered through a mental breakdown in early 2020 (before the pandemic hit), I've started from ground zero and finally began to evaluate my life at the ripe age of 50-something, and now focus on centering my life with self-love.

[@chrisscanlan8819]

What a great conversation. Rich just has a great way to connect with his guests to not make it feel like an interview.

[@itsnate10k61]

Barely started watching your podcast my man, such good vibes and calm conversation talking about life, love the podcast

[@suzannemacpherson8267]

Thank you both for your realness..so amazing to be able to share this interview with my adult sons. You both offer a way forward and a vulnerability that they need to see...they dont have role models like these in their lives that i am aware of...thank you for being that and so much more...just thank you...much love and gratitude...🙏🙏🙏

[@cathie223]

Such a highly-informative conversation that gives us a raw real-talk lens to gain understanding. Thank you.

[@_ped_]

This was one of the best podcast interview I've ever listened to. Been a fan of David Choe for over a decade, and it's nice to see him like this.

[@SuZySueSuzyQ]

Really incredible interview here! Thank you for sharing, it's chock full of morsels of wisdom! Cheers!

[@redbull9554]

My father was never vulnerable, he was religious, domineering, always right, always got the last word. I’m glad he died 24 years ago. He fathered me through fear, shame, intimidation, etc. the stuff he put on me hurt me for years! Thank you David for being vulnerable and truthful

[@michaelfinley4440]

I totally understand this. Most people won't I think. I cant WIAt for my fucked up evil mother to die. Evil seems to get extra years tho.

[@iamkerenlouise]

deep. seriously so deep and provocative..I had to take the time to process the nuggets of wisdom from two brilliant guys.

[@mollydavis9857]

This interview made me feel so good. I am grateful for how vulnerable and authentic you both were. Attraction rather than promotion ---you nailed it. Thank you.

[@FuzzyDunlopification]

I've always heard of David but never really listened to him before. Wow... I've never FELT so much before at such a constant rate by just listening to someone. Amazing stories.

[@wowwowmatt]

I just discovered David Choe while watching old JRE then I watched wild rides podcast with him and now yours.( Your podcast is great and I subscribed) David’s honesty is inspiring, he’s fearfully fearless in a way I would like to be. I’d like to tell him, he helped me and thank you.

[@alejahdro]

After weeks of processing The Choe Show, this is just what I needed.

[@srijanagurungshrestha4660]

I keep coming back to this podcast. One of the best podcasts regarding rawness, authenticity, and understanding yourself.

[@nubialegarda7908]

Wow. Been listening to RRP for a while now. This was just beautiful and vulnerable and I am so grateful to them both for sharing this. I am going to sit with it and appreciate it and meditate on it. Thank you, Rich Roll and David Choe.

[@kateulchenko4406]

This conversation is pure gold! it's amazing 😍 Thank you ✨!

[@MichaelUnbroken]

I think people who really pay attention to this episode will understand something powerful... We all battle the voices in our heads and sometimes were succumb and sometimes we overcome

[@ElleCallanan]

David and Rich, deep respect and appreciation 🙏🏻 The world needs you both and this made me feeeeeel so much. It was really brave of you (and us listeners) to look into the darkness together and walk forward with more honest spirituality. Deepest thanks for the discomfort.

[@kona-fl7fl]

What an amazing discussion. Some people just allow you to be intrigued, entertained and self reflective simultaneously. I always learn something about myself when David talks long form. This is my first exposure to Rich and I am looking forward to following his podcast further as he offers so much introspective matter to digest in his own right.

[@XanderShiller]

Please don't censor yourself David! All your stories need every one of your words. You're inspiring and i hope u realize how awesome you are to listen to and learn from.

[@brookie_cuqui]

Your courage has got me feeling courageous. Thank you, gentlemen❤️🔥

[@PAB1068]

I loved this podcast and I loved David's show. And YES, I think there should be another season, if possible, because so many people can be helped and know they're not alone in what they're dealing with. It's my selfishness as I'd LOVE to see another season or more. So much wisdom and I love how David helps people to see things within themselves they wouldn't have seen otherwise.

[@melissal8800]

LOVE David!! Great to see him on here, bro! 🔥🔥❤️🔥🔥

[@davidmarchetti7006]

Hello Rich, First time listener. Thank you for such a profound and in-depth conversation with David Choe, which was handled care, mindfulness, and love.

[@floxendoodle942]

Absolutely loved this podcast where you were talking my language: recovery, shame, boundaries, 12-steps, etc.. It left me feeling so understood! And, Rich . . . You are an amazing interviewer! Your ability to understand and “reflect back” to your guests what they just communicated to you is off the charts! I wish that every woman on the planet had a husband who could talk to them and listen like you do! 🤔

[@starvationpool9982]

The last 2 sections (along with the rest more minorly) were so important for me to hear today. Thank you algorithm for recommending this amazing podcast. New subscriber forever

[@sethlopez8328]

I have NEVER witnessed such a deep and introspective podcast in my life. Thank you so much

[@macdre1610]

Bless up. Inspirational listening experience

[@BrotherCam]

34:06 Wow dude this hit me in my sou... I am so relieved to know that I'm not the only one who self-consciously feels like this 24/7 💔💔💔💯

[@emmyashbaugh]

Thank you both for sharing this profound conversation. I've been following both of you separately for some time, it is so fucking incredible that these to fractions of my interests have collided. Dave, I had an experience seeing one of your pieces at momofuko in LV. I was with and ex who flew me out there, we sat right in front of your panda piece and I teared up. I was blown away I got to be so close to your art. It really moved me. Silly to others I'm sure, but I was in reverence getting to take all that in. My ex was baffled, he's in the restaurant industry and took me there as he is a fan of Dave Chang. The food was great but getting to see your wall in person was my favorite part of the whole trip. Keep on keeping on Dave 💓

[@osvaldasn]

this is BOMB! You have Choe on! Thank You! Was just thinking a day ago how nice it would be if Rogan would manage to have him on again. We'll take Rich all day every day. Amazing

[@bm4680]

I hope David's mom is watching the interview. David is refreshingly honest! Kudos for setting boundaries with your mom, it takes ball.

[@MelodyProsser]

These are the kinds f conversations that connect us and the kind of conversation I crave! Thank you both!

[@ttenger6182]

Amen sister

[@abiallu1847]

So refreshing listening to David choe, such a gentle soul

[@tranquilityseeker581]

I love that you as men are opening up and talking about your pain. It's refreshing to see and witness. Great podcast.