Does Infant Baptism Go Against The Bible?!

In this video, I respond to Cliffe Knechtle on the George Janko podcast discussing his view on infant baptism.
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[@Luisyz_]

Let’s make it happen, Get Alex (voice of reason) on a podcast with George Janko

[@ndidnmdks]

I agree

[@1nOnlyKong]

I think him and cliffe would be way more interesting

[@MrKnowitall934]

I give a lot of props to some protestant pastors because they did strengthen my foundation of Jesus, and now, I'm looking into the Catholic Church.

[@dameaswolf7804]

Same here, I feel like the faith in a lot of protestants preachers is great, but when it comes to questions on theology is where Catholics and Orthodox excel in my experience.

[@ehernan286]

​@@dameaswolf7804 welcome home friends we've been waiting !!!!

[@dameaswolf7804]

@@ehernan286 Thanks, will be starting RCIA soon.

[@Halloweendm]

Stay strong and do not give in to your curiosity about Catholicism. They will lead you astray and into doctrines and traditions that are unbiblical and even antibiblical! As an example, they do not believe in salvation by faith alone in Jesus Christ; even to the point of insult. These same people welcoming you would have considerably less welcoming things to say if you declared you’d never convert! One of the best examples of the truth of faith alone is directly from the mouth of Jesus Christ himself: John 3:16 Christ says, “For God so loved the world…whoever believes in Him should not perish but have eternal life.” More to the point, at one of their councils some centuries back (Trent, I believe), the Catholics declared anyone who believes in salvation by faith alone to be anathema! That word means cursed; if you were Catholic, they would kick you out of the church, and according to them, you would be damned to Hell when you die! And they are wrong about that (Christ decides who gets in, not any man or church) and so many more things. And to this day, no pope or any Catholic has reversed that decree.

[@rightinthedome9973]

Completely nonsense. Protestants helped bring me to Christ. But they're lacking in so many ways only the Catholic church has the fullness of faith. They latch on to one piece of Scripture and throw out anything that contradicts it. Their faith is to shallow ​@@Halloweendm

[@robertvilain1920]

I’m not Catholic, but I do enjoy listening to Catholics. Appreciate the videos brother.

[@Neekohlass]

You never know how God will work things out. I was raised Catholic, was nominal, had a big conversion in high school, then left with a crash after struggling with homosexuality. I embraced atheism, rationalized away my faith to make things easier, and lived that life for 15 years. I was miserable and had trained myself to take atheism for granted. I went from not being sorry for being attracted to men, to still not being sorry for the attraction, but realizing the actions were making me miserable. I was death scrolling and came across Cliffe. He reignited my intellectual interest in Christianity. However I am certain it was my baptism in the Trinity that led me there and brought me in WEEKS back to full communion with the Catholic Church. Cliffe was a part of that. I fervently hope he realizes the one Catholic and Apostolic Church is the clear visible Church founded by Christ on earth.

[@bluecomb5376]

Beautiful testimony! Have you heard of the channel "catholic recon"? You should offer to be a guest. He is looking for conversion guests!

[@brandonedwards1181]

God bless you brother, we all struggle with sin of every kind, life on earth isn't easy for those who were chosen from the earth

[@Ziiphyr]

Amen 🙏 I was born and raised Catholic and was Baptized as an infant. Got my first holy communion but opted out of confirmation. Was Atheist for a number of years and hated the world and even cursed at God that I didn’t truly believe existed at the time. Till one day I had a personal revelation and I had a vision of Christ on the Cross and I felt someone inside me pushing the tears out of my body and my tears perfectly imitated Christs tears on his face. That’s when I felt this Almighty presence come down above me from up above. After i had this urge to find my old Cross I had as a child that would hang over my doorway to my bedroom. Guess what I found it AND the rosary and bib that was given to me on my Baptism. I truly believe now if I wasn’t baptized as an infant I would have been hell bound.

[@AveChristusRex789]

Praise God

[@benedictrandall9589]

Amen brother

[@sergiosargi7304]

Bro missed the point. Peter is saying “repent” first. Babies can’t repent they’re unaware of what’s happening. He just said this “promise” which is salvation is for all of us.

[@gregorybarrett4998]

No, I don't think Alex (video producer) missed the point. Indeed, he gave props to Cliffe right at the beginning of the video for reading Scripture as he did. It's not that Alex missed the point. That is what Protestants tend to assume when encountering Catholic doctrine on baptism, but what's really happening is that Alex here and Catholics generally are filling in what several branches of Protestantism generally and Cliffe here miss when reading Scripture without the benefit either of revelation being lived out or of authoritative teaching about what the revelation means. Cliffe is right that an adult pagan, being responsible for his actions, would hear and embrace the gospel before being baptised. What Cliffe misses is that when he does, the grace of salvation which accompanies baptism is not doled out stingily, so that only the hearer receives the grace; but rather is poured out bountifully, so that all those who belong to the hearer and all those for whom the hearer is responsible also receive the benefit of this overflowing grace. This is foreshadowed in Jesus forgiving the sins of the paralytic on the strength of the faith of his keepers and caregivers. In exactly similar fashion, the children thereafter born to the newly converted benefit from the faith of the newly converted by having the grace of salvation through baptism available to them, in the same way, but now perfected and enlarged, that the children of Israel became members of the covenant household of God in infant circumcision under the old covenant.

[@kellytisdale7322]

@@gregorybarrett4998 I find it funny that even though the Bible says directly that one is to believe and be baptized to be saved, they can think that a child has the ability to do so. And by believing a child has a necessity t be baptized to wash away sins, that a child would have sins on them. If, as the Bible says, baptism is the fore remission, or removal, or forgiveness of sins, then baptism before belief is not "reason"able. You don't wash yourself in preparation of getting dirty, or thinking that washing before getting dirty suitable to wash off what you get on you later. For this to be called "Voice of Reason", this has no reason to it whatsoever. Moreover, you bring up Jesus forgiving the sins of the paralytic. Jesus could do that while on earth. Jesus told the pharisees that the Son of man has the power(authority) on earth to forgive sins. Jesus is not here on earth anymore. This is why He gives the command to believe and be baptized.

[@gregorybarrett4998]

@@kellytisdale7322 Hi, Kelly. Thanks for your reply. It represents fairly well the typical understanding of those who oppose infant baptism. There are, of course however, replies which Catholicism is ready to make. Since Catholicism understands the Bible to be a Catholic book, and not a Protestant book, Catholicism understands that everything in Scripture is perfectly consistent with Catholic doctrine. Catholicism therefore has no fear that the content of Scripture can successfully be used to invalidate Catholic doctrine. -You are correct, Kelly, that Scripture says that one is to believe and be baptised. Further, it is not unreasonable to understand this as a sequence and progression: first, one responds to his natural disposition to seek and know and respond to truth, beauty, and goodness; then one hears the message of the one who is sent; then one believes that the message corresponds with truth, beauty, and goodness; then one responds to the message; then one acts in obedience to the One from whom the message came, including in baptism. What you're missing is both that Scripture does not say that this sequence is necessary and inescapable; and that Scripture does not say that baptism is to be withheld from those who belong to such a convert. What Scripture does identify is that faith and baptism go together, with the opposite of faith being not unbelief but disobedience. Whether there is a necessary sequence, and whether one is the cause of another or both result from something else is not specified. These matters bear on the question of baptism of the members of the household of the convert at the time of his conversion, as well as those born into his household thereafter. As Alex pointed out in the video, this was intimated in the proclamation of the gospel and practised with those who responded. Since the Scripture is ambiguous about whether the members of the household included infants or those not (yet) possessed of the faculty of reason, nothing more than indications pro and con can be deduced from Scripture. This is why we need a referee to sort out ambiguous cases. This is lived out in the ruling authority of the Church and explained in the teaching authority of the Church, the pillar and ground of truth. These teachings and practises were operative in the Church throughout the period in which the Church was discerning the canon of Scripture. The same Church which ruled and taught about infant baptism discerned and ruled and taught on the canon of Scripture, and during the same time period. Actually, baptism was settled (codifying ancient practice in 253) long before the canon (ruling on persistent disputes in 382). -It's not that a child already has the ability to entertain, weigh, and assent to a set of propositions concerning the content of the doctrine of the faith. But the issue at hand is not whether one has sufficient intellectual capacity. In this sense, even the demons believe, and shudder. Rather, unless you become like a little child, you shall not enter the kingdom of God. What a little child does have is the implicit faith of one who needs, who knows he needs, who knows that the supply of his need is available, and seeks the supply of his need. This is true in every dimension of an infant's life. -With respect to sin, there is a distinction to be drawn. You are right, Kelly, that an infant, and more generally someone not possessed of a properly functioning faculty of reason, cannot consciously and intentionally reject the good and choose the evil. In that sense, baptism would be superfluous. There are, however, further considerations. In the first place, Adam and Eve's transgression cost them the supernatural gifts, including that of sanctifying grace. Since this was a supernatural gift, this did not cause them to cease to be human, but it did mean that such grace was no longer in their possession, and they therefore did not have it to pass on to their children. Since supernatural grace is indispensable for friendship with God and eternal life in heaven, they and their children stood in need of a means by which to become possessed of such grace in order to attain the supernatural ends for which they were created. Baptism is God's supply to meet this need. This is independent of any personal actual sin for which the individual may be responsible. As a side note, as for sequence with respect to actual personal sin, the Church recognises you to be correct. Just as you don't get baptised in virtue of sins in prospect, in the sense in which you mention, so baptism does not wash away sins committed after baptism. For this, Christ instituted the sacrament of reconciliation, so that even sins committed after baptism have their remedy. -You're right, Kelly, that Jesus could forgive sins while on earth. The gospel records men wondering that such power could be operative at the hands of men, rather than by God alone. What is striking is that Jesus remains on earth throughout time. This is referenced in the great commission, in Jesus' apparition to Saul of Tarsus, and in Jesus' conferral of this power on His apostles when He explicitly commissioned them to judge men, and provide forgiveness of sins to those they found worthy.

[@kellytisdale7322]

@@gregorybarrett4998 I'm sorry but the totality of scripture does not support infant baptism even working at all. Colossians 2:11-12 tells us that baptism, being a working of God, is done through faith. A child has no faith. They don't know faith because they don't know what faith is. Much what or who God is. A child has no sin to wash off or have forgiven. A child can't repent from sin much less have it removed.

[@gregorybarrett4998]

@@kellytisdale7322 Hi, Kelly. Thanks for your reply. In it you have again represented fairly well the typical understanding of those who oppose infant baptism. I'm wondering, though, whether you have considered any of the matters I proposed for your consideration. It seems to me that reflection on these matters would give occasion for you to pause and reconsider. -When you speak of the totality of Scripture, that includes those passages which can be used to support a different, or fuller, or more nuanced understanding. The natural inclination is to pit one set of passages against another, and end up saying something like one or both of, "I have more Scriptures, so I win!", or, "I have the more important Scriptures, so I win!" What the Church does instead is say, " 'All of Scripture is inspired of God, and is useful....', so we need to understand the whole of revelation in ways which give full weight to each element, while recognising that they operate each in their own domain(s) with such overlap as they have." -As I pointed out, Colossians 2:11-12 does not say that infants may not be baptised. It does indicate that baptism in the new covenant lines up with circumcision in the old covenant. Circumcision in the old covenant was explicitly prescribed for adult converts, but it was most often discussed in reference to the infant children of members of the household of existing members of the covenant. The natural expectation, therefore, was that baptism would be applied to infant children of members of the household of existing members of the new covenant. The practice of the Church bore this out, and the authority of the Church ruled on this. Like all of Scripture, Colossians 2:11-12 is addressed to adult converts and their adult believing children, not to infants, and discusses the situation meaningful to those believing adults, not to other categories of people. Accordingly, as far as the understanding of Scripture goes, what is meaningful for other categories of people is to be inferred from passing remarks rather than from the thrust of the argument. But even this is meaningful primarily in the context of dealing with Protestants who have nothing more than Scripture. In the Church, the household of God, the fullness of revelation resides, and we see from the whole of the life of the Church, including Scripture but not limited to it, what God has provided, including infant baptism. -You're correct, Kelly, that Colossians 2:12 refers to faith being operative in the context of baptism. It is helpful to remember that faith is not superstition. Faith is not magic. Faith is not a meaningless term which is used only in and applies only to the new testament Scriptures or the theological meditations of Christians. Faith is the willingness to stake your outcome on the kind of trust in someone else which makes decisions, not on the basis of immanently generated knowledge but rather on confidence of the trustworthiness of the one who gives directions. This is why we speak of marriage partners being faithful, to give one example. Another would be military personnel obeying their commander, knowing that they are staking their lives on his commands providing the greatest likelihood of success and survival. This behavioural trust is possible even when the faculty of reason is not (yet) (sufficiently) developed, as is the case with infants. This is called interpretive faith, and is distinguished from such intellectual assent as is found in demons. While it is right and good to know the content of the doctrine of the faith, such knowledge is distinct from the willingness to stake one's outcome. Beyond this, the basis for infant baptism is rooted in authority. Scripture generally has far greater respect both for authority and for relationship than does modern western society. The teaching of Scripture and the Church holds that members of the household are sanctified in virtue of the believing responsible member of the household. -One of the weaknesses of Protestant theology is that baptism must necessarily express repentance for personal sin. This is a hindrance for evangelisation, because the Protestant evangelist must necessarily spend his effort trying to convince his interlocutor that his interlocutor is personally guilty of such sin as needs forgiveness. This is disordered on several levels. It is the business of the Holy Spirit to convict anyone of personal sin, not the evangelist, who thereby inescapably becomes rude, invasive, and demeaning. Correct evangelisation instead focuses on the need and supply of the necessarily supernatural nature of grace required for regeneration, friendship with God, and eternal life with Him in heaven. In the process, the interlocutor will with God's help discover for himself and in the privacy of his own soul any sins which are incompatible with perfect love and holiness. Infants indeed have no personal sin, but they do have need of supernatural grace, therefore they are suitable candidates for baptism.

[@InevitableAlex1]

The Didache is so precise on all things baptism. If children were not to partake, I am positive that would be included with the instructions.

[@bibleman8010]

argument from silence is stupid😢😢

[@edward1412]

BABIES were not mentioned because they knew that they can’t confess and repent prior to baptism.

[@bibleman8010]

@@edward1412 Gen. 17:12, Lev. 12:3 - these texts show the circumcision of eight-day old babies as the way of entering into the Old Covenant - Col 2:11-12 - however, baptism is the new "circumcision" for all people of the New Covenant. Therefore, baptism is for babies as well as adults. God did not make His new Covenant narrower than the old Covenant. To the contrary, He made it wider, for both Jews and Gentiles, infants and adults.🤣🤣 Job 14:1-4 - man that is born of woman is full of trouble and unclean. Baptism is required for all human beings because of our sinful human nature. Psalm 51:5 - we are conceived in the iniquity of sin. This shows the necessity of baptism from conception. Matt. 18:2-5 - Jesus says unless we become like children, we cannot enter into heaven. So why would children be excluded from baptism? Matt 19:14 - Jesus clearly says the kingdom of heaven also belongs to children. There is no age limit on entering the kingdom, and no age limit for being eligible for baptism. Mark 10:14 - Jesus says to let the children come to Him for the kingdom of God also belongs to them. Jesus says nothing about being too young to come into the kingdom of God. Mark 16:16 - Jesus says to the crowd, "He who believes and is baptized will be saved." But in reference to the same people, Jesus immediately follows with "He who does not believe will be condemned." This demonstrates that one can be baptized and still not be a believer. This disproves the Protestant argument that one must be a believer to be baptized. There is nothing in the Bible about a "believer's baptism." Luke 18:15 - Jesus says, “Let the children come to me.” The people brought infants to Jesus that he might touch them. This demonstrates that the receipt of grace is not dependent upon the age of reason. Acts 2:38 - Peter says to the multitude, "Repent and be baptized.." Protestants use this verse to prove one must be a believer (not an infant) to be baptized. But the Greek translation literally says, "If you repent, then each one who is a part of you and yours must each be baptized” (“Metanoesate kai bapistheto hekastos hymon.”) This, contrary to what Protestants argue, actually proves that babies are baptized based on their parents’ faith. This is confirmed in the next verse. Acts 2:39 - Peter then says baptism is specifically given to children as well as adults. “Those far off” refers to those who were at their “homes” (primarily infants and children). God's covenant family includes children. The word "children" that Peter used comes from the Greek word "teknon" which also includes infants. Luke 1:59 - this proves that "teknon" includes infants. Here, John as a "teknon" (infant) was circumcised. See also Acts 21:21 which uses “teknon” for eight-day old babies. So baptism is for infants as well as adults. Acts 10:47-48 - Peter baptized the entire house of Cornelius, which generally included infants and young children. There is not one word in Scripture about baptism being limited to adults. Acts 16:15 - Paul baptized Lydia and her entire household. The word "household" comes from the Greek word "oikos" which is a household that includes infants and children. Acts 16:15 - further, Paul baptizes the household based on Lydia's faith, not the faith of the members of the household. This demonstrates that parents can present their children for baptism based on the parents' faith, not the children's faith. Acts 16:30-33 - it was only the adults who were candidates for baptism that had to profess a belief in Jesus. This is consistent with the Church's practice of instructing catechumens before baptism. But this verse does not support a "believer's baptism" requirement for everyone. See Acts 16:15,33. The earlier one comes to baptism, the better. For those who come to baptism as adults, the Church has always required them to profess their belief in Christ. For babies who come to baptism, the Church has always required the parents to profess the belief in Christ on behalf of the baby. But there is nothing in the Scriptures about a requirement for ALL baptism candidates to profess their own belief in Christ (because the Church has baptized babies for 2,000 years). Acts 16:33 - Paul baptized the jailer (an adult) and his entire household (which had to include children). Baptism is never limited to adults and those of the age of reason. See also Luke 19:9; John 4:53; Acts 11:14; 1 Cor. 1:16; and 1 Tim. 3:12; Gen. 31:41; 36:6; 41:51; Joshua 24:15; 2 Sam. 7:11, 1 Chron. 10:6 which shows “oikos” generally includes children. Rom. 5:12 - sin came through Adam and death through sin. Babies' souls are affected by Adam's sin and need baptism just like adult souls. Rom. 5:15 - the grace of Jesus Christ surpasses that of the Old Covenant. So children can also enter the new Covenant in baptism. From a Jewish perspective, it would have been unthinkable to exclude infants and children from God's Covenant kingdom. 1 Cor. 1:16 - Paul baptized the household ("oikos") of Stephanus. Baptism is not limited to adults. Eph. 1:1; Col. 1:2 - Paul addresses the "saints" of the Church, and these include the children he addresses in Eph. 6:1 and Col. 3:20. Children become saints of the Church only through baptism. Eph. 2:3 - we are all by nature children of wrath, in sin, like all mankind. Infants are no exception. See also Psalm 51:5 and Job 14:1-4 which teach us we are conceived in sin and born unclean. 2 Thess. 3:10 - if anyone does not work let him not eat. But this implies that those who are unable to work should still be able to eat. Babies should not starve because they are unable to work, and should also not be denied baptism because they are unable to make a declaration of faith. Matt. 9:2; Mark 2:3-5 - the faith of those who brought in the paralytic cured the paralytic's sins. This is an example of the forgiveness of sins based on another's faith, just like infant baptism. The infant child is forgiven of sin based on the parents' faith. Matt. 8:5-13 - the servant is healed based upon the centurion's faith. This is another example of healing based on another's faith. If Jesus can heal us based on someone else’s faith, then He can baptize us based on someone else’s faith as well. Mark 9:22-25 - Jesus exercises the child's unclean spirit based on the father's faith. This healing is again based on another's faith. 1 Cor. 7:14 - Paul says that children are sanctified by God through the belief of only one of their parents. Exodus 12:24-28 - the Passover was based on the parent's faith. If they did not kill and eat the lamb, their first-born child died. Joshua 5:2-7 - God punished Israel because the people had not circumcised their children. This was based on the parent's faith. The parents play a critical role in their child's salvation. By the way, infant baptism is also practiced by the Eastern Orthodox, Oriental Orthodox, Assyrian Church of the East, Anglicans, Lutherans, Methodists, Church of the Nazarene, Reformed Church in America, Episcopalians, United Church of Christ (UCC), Presbyterians, Continental Reformed, and others. Together, these constitute over 80% of all those who call themselves Christians. Peter explained what happens at baptism when he said, "Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit" (Acts 2:38). But he did not restrict this teaching to adults. He added, "For the promise is to you and to your children and to all that are far off, every one whom the Lord our God calls to him" (2:39). We also read: "Rise and be baptized, and wash away your sins, calling on his name" (Acts 22:16). These commands are universal, not restricted to adults. Further, these commands make clear the necessary connection between baptism and salvation, a connection explicitly stated in 1 Peter 3:21: "Baptism . . . now saves you, not as a removal of dirt from the body but as an appeal to God for a clear conscience, through the resurrection of Jesus Christ." By the way, infant baptism is also practiced by the Eastern Orthodox, Oriental Orthodox, Assyrian Church of the East, Anglicans, Lutherans, Methodists, Church of the Nazarene, Reformed Church in America, Episcopalians, United Church of Christ (UCC), Presbyterians, Continental Reformed, and others. Together, these constitute over 80% of all those who call themselves Christians

[@mertonhirsch4734]

Ireneaus, Hyppolytus, Origen and Cyprian all write that infant baptism was the practice of the church. These men would range from 190-250 AD predating any imperial influence.

[@henryc7548]

@@edward1412 In Acts whole families are baptised because their head of household converted, I dont recall any mention of "his whole family was baptized except his infant children" or "except his daughter because she was unconvinced".

[@sabrinawithlove]

Yes, infants can be baptized. Baptism is a free gift to all. Babies, and even disabled people who cannot speak or think for themselves. There’s no where in scripture where it excludes them. And the order of receiving the gift of baptism doesn’t matter. You can be baptized and grow up in faith, or be firm in your faith then be baptized if you were not baptized before in the name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. Because baptism washes away our sins.

[@edward1412]

Babies should NOT be baptised because they don’t even have the ability to REPENT and CONFESS their faith before baptism. Acts 2:38 “Peter replied, “Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.”

[@edward1412]

It’s the BLOOD of Jesus that washes aways sins. Baptism symbolises us dying and being resurrected with Jesus Christ into a new life.

[@henryc7548]

@@edward1412 In acts whole families are baptized after the head of household is converted, there is no mention of having to convince everyone or make sure each is of the age of reason or older. Also it makes sense to say "Repent and be baptized, every one of you" any babies in the crowd would obviously not be who peter was communicating too, since babies famously don't understand speech well enough.

[@sabrinawithlove]

@@edward1412 While infants cannot personally express faith, the faith of the parents and the faith community plays a significant role. Parents and godparents make a commitment to raise the child in the Christian faith, nurturing their spiritual growth until they can make their own profession of faith. Remember the paralyzed man who was healed because of his friends’ faith? When Jesus saw their faith, he said to the paralyzed man, "Son, your sins are forgiven." Jesus also taught that being born of water and the Spirit is necessary for entering the kingdom of God. Jesus emphasized water baptism as an essential act of faith, symbolizing repentance, forgiveness, and the initiation into the life of a disciple. It is a public declaration of faith and obedience to His teachings.

[@johnmccaughey36]

@@edward1412 Amen

[@Cathtradgroyper]

The One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic CHURCH

[@Gunthusiest]

A creed created 300 years after Christ by a group of people who never knew him or the apostles. That creed is not biblical. If you think about Jesus's character, and every time he said "woe to you pharisees!" What do you think he would truly say to people who follow this creed instead of Him alone? His stance on this exclusive hierarchy mindset of "only our church does it correctly"

[@KeeperPlus]

​@Gunthusiest so your 1 to 500 yesterday old protestant belief trumps 2000 years of one church created by God himself. Thata called pride my friend and you're littered with it

[@TheKingofBunga2912]

It's ruined now.

[@Jimmy_Chichis]

Catholic is another way to say modern heathen.

[@darrellperez1029]

@Gunthusiest if I thought of Christ and what He said. It think of Luther, Calvin and King James. Oh! And king Henry too.

[@EricAlHarb]

I’m Orthodox. The simplest argument for infants coming to faith is St John the Baptist leaping in his mothers womb when the Theotokos visited her: Luke Chapter 1

[@TheLutheranZoomer]

I also affirm Infant Baptism, but St. John the Baptist was the second greatest human to ever live. I think if we dont think that we as infants can necessarily have faith of our own, we need our parents for that. God Bless ❤️

[@Cklert]

@@TheLutheranZoomer Well, 3rd/4th depending on which tradition you follow. Jesus is 1st Mary Second and then St. Joseph/ John the Baptist for either 3rd or 4th.

[@TheLutheranZoomer]

@@Cklert I was really just referencing Mathew 11:11

[@EricAlHarb]

@@TheLutheranZoomer my point is simply that St John the Baptist was gifted faith by God, we know that infants can be gifted faith.

[@TheLutheranZoomer]

@@EricAlHarb all i was saying is that faith is gifted as infants because of the faith of our parents

[@PPSNonFin]

Im a Lutheran and we believe in infant baptism as well

[@reedrichards1820]

That’s a scary looking rabbit…

[@tippiergnome8471]

Lutherans are essentially Catholic lite

[@brandonedwards1181]

Lucitheran

[@user-un9tf5fj5h]

​@@brandonedwards1181 and your papist, Lutheran is the true Catholic Church

[@dylandoyle2287]

Can you or your producer put the verses you are reading from up on the screen so we can read along during your videos?

[@paulmualdeave5063]

Google infant baptism catholic answers and the verses will be in them.

[@channeljan8529]

The Church is the bride of Christ.

[@JayRedding12_12]

ST. IRENAEUS OF LYONS- For he came to save all through himself-all, I say, who through him are born again to God-infants, and children, and boys, and youths, and old men [Against Heresies 2:22:4 (c. A.D. 189)].

[@DSYOOOO]

Love that he’s tackling this question,I’m a Pentecostal Protestant that’s looking into converting to the Catholic Church I love this.Also cliffe isn’t exactly a good teacher he’s a good speaker but not rlly all that well when confronted

[@pdub69triniboy]

Catholic Calture is a good channel 👍ways of the fathers

[@GamingxKnight]

That's something that I noticed as well. I'm a Catholic, was born into a Catholic family, baptized as an infant, and allowed myself to choose to either leave or stay in the Church when I was just leaving high school (thank God the Holy Spirit moved me to stay) but I do like listening to Cliffe because he does have some interesting views and rebuttals to objections to Christianity. However I have noticed that when he's challenged with actual intellect he tends to just circle around the question and just preaches rather than address the question.

[@edward_19]

Prayers for you 🙏🏻 so you may find your way to the one church 🇻🇦✝️

[@EasternChristian333]

The one true church is the Orthodox Church that rome once belonged to before she departed down the path of papal protestantism.

[@Ziiphyr]

@@GamingxKnightyeah I’m starting to see that too. Great defender of the Faith but not too knowledgeable in the more doctrinal/dogmatic issues

[@aubliz1292]

one holy catholic church

[@EliaMiliteChristi]

You forgot apostolic. God bless 🇻🇦

[@13me5]

cliff is good when debating atheists, but when it comes to christian theology this non denominational doctrine lacks

[@iconicfiles_amazingscenes]

This is what we call fight our own fellow christians,we are correcting and expanding our knowledge about Concepts Cliffe is bringing alot of souls to one true God He was talking according to his experience that worked for him

[@Nomorehero07]

When I first read acts and when it says household I use common sense that a household includes children and even infants which lead me to the conclusion that infant baptism is valid. Though I love the way how you explain it throughout the entire video, especially with the connection of the old testament to the new testament.

[@nelsonjuarezcaldas6378]

Im so proud of following your youtube channel!

[@TheCatholicPrayerWarrior]

Proud of what, all he does is criticize others teachings. He's not on here to teach or spread God's word. This show like many others is about I'm right they are wrong, like my videos. I respect those who are here to spread the word of God for the purpose of spreading God's word.

[@JBxxx86]

@@TheCatholicPrayerWarrior this is the correct intent, operate out of love, not the pride of religion.

[@cinelli07]

Catholic= universal. CHRIST is universal. Catholic 💯

[@thebulwer2278]

Sin = universal. Chatolic = universal. Chatolic.

[@GamingxKnight]

Love this video and all that you do. I pray that the Lord Jesus Christ continues to bless you and that you continue to spread His message and the correct teachings of the Church.

[@will10005]

My boy is grabbing scriptures and digging for justification for infant baptism 😂😂. Those verses in Acts have nothing to do with infant baptism lol stop the cap 🧢

[@renitapura2325]

That's a reach for sure.

[@EldenLord00]

Disprove it then?

[@eliezerlemus5632]

No fr not even using context js using his own interpretation fr.

[@ronaldarchuleta4058]

@@EldenLord00From what I’ve seen of Cliffs standpoint is that him and his son when asked to do baptisms on the baby don’t do the usual ritual of dipping the baby in the water BECAUSE it’s more about the meaning of what’s happening rather than the ritual itself. Not word for word but Cliff said they’d rather have the parents and the church as a community all take up responsibility to raise that baby to follow Christ and to do right by the child.

[@ronaldarchuleta4058]

Also when the child grows older and understands what being saved means they then can choose for themselves

[@killianmiller6107]

Important question, is there even one example of rebaptism in scripture?

[@user-ug7zo7uk1w]

Re baptism absurd..

[@ChillyMilly908]

yes, in Acts 19 a group of disciples who were previously baptized by John the Baptist, were baptized for a second time by Paul

[@killianmiller6107]

Is John’s baptism the same as Jesus’s baptism? They had to be rebaptized because they didn’t receive the trinitarian post-resurrection sacrament.

[@bigtobacco1098]

​@@ChillyMilly908johns baptism was under the old covenant... it was also "for the forgiveness sin"

[@theSpaghettimeister]

The only time something like this is said to happen is when John's disciples, who had recieved the baptism of John, were given Baptism in the form prescribed by Jesus. They were different baptisms, as St John the Forerunner himself confesses, and is the only thing that could even be twisted to create a doctrine permitting rebaptism.

[@donaldbandy7051]

Great video … Amen and Amen! Hallelujah! Glory be to God!!!

[@EliaMiliteChristi]

Cliff is a good preacher, it's a shame that he isn't catholic, and knowing how he knows the Bible so well I can't get why he isn't. God bless 🇻🇦

[@boi__7898]

While some Protestants are aware of their pride in thinking they know everything about Christianity , some are unaware

[@datboiron2549]

Jesus doesn’t want us to follow a church he wants us to love and follow him

[@gameslikezone2046]

​@@boi__7898it's about Jesus. There are lukewarm Catholics, there are lukewarm Christians. Focus on Jesus. Jesus is the saving grace, not how 'perfect' a believer you are.

[@brittoncain5090]

@@datboiron2549Jesus does want us to follow His Church, why else would He create one?

[@HabtamuAbebe-on5hl]

but church is the body of Jesus and Jesus is the head of church Col 1:18 so who are you to separate church ​from Jesus@@datboiron2549

[@Roqu3Quinc0t]

This man follows the heresy "don't follow religion, follow Jesus". Actually Jesus founded a Church over the apostles with a defined hierarchy 🇻🇦, He taught prayers, rituals, instituted the Sacraments, He ordered his followers to fast, taught a moral code, and behaviour rules... He also followed the traditions of His nation and He ordered to share the Good News with all mankind. Definitely Jesus founded a religion. A lot of protestants follow the same error of this man. Jesus wants religion because religion is relationship.

[@Danielbannie]

Bless you for your wisdom, thank you

[@johnmccaughey36]

It's the Catholic Church that follows religion, you are saved by grace through faith not of yourself, it's a gift of God not of works [ Ephesians 2 v 8-9] No one is saved by baptism as it's obedience after getting saved. Mass going or attending Church or doing rituals or sacrements will not save you. To be a Christian you have to put your trust fully on what Christ done on the cross for us [ 1 corinthians 15 v 3-4] If we confess with our mouth and believe in our heart we will be saved. [ Romans 10 v 9-10] Jesus said you must be born again to have eternal life [ John 3 v 3-7] By the deeds of the law threre is no one Justified]

[@Roqu3Quinc0t]

@@johnmccaughey36 so many heresies together in a very short space. Be careful.

[@johnmccaughey36]

Just shows that you are not a believer if you call what I said heresy. He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.( John 3 v 36) It sounds like it’s you that has to be careful.

[@Roqu3Quinc0t]

@@johnmccaughey36 if someone doesn't eat the Flesh of the Lord and doesn't drink His Blood, this person is spirtually dead. If you don't participate in the Holy Eucharist there is no life in you. Be careful with the heresies you follow.

[@maryblanc2289]

Many Protestants forget that Jesus left us his church not the Bible (Catholic book).

[@isaacakinz2930]

Maybe that’s just a catholic claim

[@bobizzle1605]

@@isaacakinz2930It’s not a mere Catholic claim. Jesus established his Church the moment he declared Peter to be the rock and Shepard that would lead his Church, giving him the keys to the Kingdom, as well as when he breathed the Holy Spirit into the apostles giving them the authority to forgive and retain sins. Christ did not leave us the Bible New Testament. His apostles did, sure. But the Church came first and scripture even confirms this. Also the Catholic Church is who agreed upon the canon of the Old and New Testament books so technically speaking the Bible is from Catholics in a sense. The Catholic Church was also the Church to translate the Old and New Testaments into Latin which later paved the way for the vernacular translations.

[@cinelli07]

​@@bobizzle1605 Catholic 💯. Amen

[@paulmualdeave5063]

@@isaacakinz2930Show us the Bible table of contents chapter and verse please. Someone chose the books in the Bible. History shows that happened in the 4th century. There is not one 66 book Bible prior to the Reformation.

[@jemtadeo5784]

The problem with this is you represent religion and Catholicism unlike protestants they're on the streets preaching the gospel. I never seen protestants who says "I am proud to be a Protestant".

[@jacobmiller7826]

Alex, I thank God for bringing you into my life. I want to express the faith with love and understanding and got delivered it to me through you and Michael Lofton. May God bless you both and I pray the both of you are strengthened through the years God wills for us. I thank you and love you both! Keep it up 👍🏻

[@21AnEvangelist]

“Do not get involved in foolish discussions about spiritual pedigrees or in quarrels and fights about obedience to Jewish laws. These things are useless and a waste of time.” ‭‭Titus‬ ‭3‬:‭9‬ ‭NLT‬‬

[@mustangfuego]

It depends what it is your true intentions are. ‭‭II Timothy 2:23-26 [23] But avoid foolish and ignorant disputes, knowing that they generate strife. [24] And a servant of the Lord must not quarrel but be gentle to all, able to teach, patient, [25] in humility correcting those who are in opposition, if God perhaps will grant them repentance, so that they may know the truth, [26] and that they may come to their senses and escape the snare of the devil, having been taken captive by him to do his will. We have to teach people the truth through God's Word.

[@StalloneSiciliano]

Let's get alex tondo an interview with cliffe and John McArthur!

[@Cris-xj8nm]

Very good explanation

[@romznkalakatha4571]

you are indeed a voice of reason.. Thank you for your channel man

[@StandOnTruth2010]

I am a Protestant who disagrees with several of these points (for which I feel there are valid reasons obviously), but I REALLY appreciated this because I love learning the beliefs of other branches of Christianity and this video brought lots of sources and anticipated responses which I really appreciate. Great work!

[@Tyr1345]

So if a father becomes a Catholic and gets baptized even his unrepentant adult children will be saved? You even read out the next verse where the jailer's household heard Paul's preaching for themselves Likewise Lydia's household heard his preaching and were not just saved by Lydia's conversion

[@user-un9tf5fj5h]

As Presbyterian, I agree you with here and I disagree with cliff in this

[@wordofgod6225]

salvation is base on personal decision, I cant decide for my family but if a repent and baptize it will open a door that I might also share to them the gospel that's what it means

[@Templar_Infinite_Infidel]

You cant take protestants serious. They choose to follow their own beliefs instead of the apostles that received the actual instructions from christ himself...why would anyone not want to be part of the apostolic church...

[@johnmccaughey36]

@user-ho6vh3sf9s It’s catholics you can’t take seriously although it doesn’t matter. Are you saved from your sin and have eternal life or are you trying to do some religious rituals or good works to get there. But we are all as an unclean thing, and all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags; and we all do fade as a leaf, and our iniquities, like the wind, have taken us away ( Isaiah 64 v 6, Romans 3 v 20)

[@JayRedding12_12]

ST. HIPPOLYTUS OF ROME- The children shall be baptized first. All the children who can answer for themselves, let them answer. If there are any children who cannot answer for themselves, let their parents answer for them, or someone else from their family [Apostolic Tradition 21 (c. A.D. 215)].

[@hilaryfrank]

You have always made very interesting points. But the argument could be made, going by your logic, that since females were not circumcised, would that mean they are not to be baptised? Can this be clarified?

[@ChillyMilly908]

Galatians 3:26-29 For you are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus. For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ. There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, *there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus.* And if you are Christ’s, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.

[@levrai944]

The women weren’t circumcised for obvious reasons that I don’t need to detail. But baptism now because of its nature is easy to perform on both males and females, so now they can truly partake in the new circumcision that they couldn’t in the old law.

[@dynamic9016]

Thanks much for this video.

[@trocha419]

To your first point that Peter said children. He didn’t specifically say baptize children. He said it in a way that says you and your lineage will do this. That’s how I understand it.

[@tellthetruth6430]

When Joshua said, "As for me and my house, we will serve the Lord," did he say instead as for my and adults in my house, we shall serve the Lod? Or me and my generations after me...? Why is it that 'protestants' often try to say that the clear words of scriptures meant something else than what it's saying in clear/plian language? Beware of this trick of the enemy that subverts the truths of scripture. When Jesus says do this.... do it. Simple

[@ReapeR1793]

​@@tellthetruth6430 We do keep it simple. It says in the scripture that them and their household will be saved, and that them and their household got baptized, that's it. It doesn't say anywhere that children were baptized, a household my compromise of adults only and can posible, you know. You have to add to it, to say that there where children in the household. Furthermore, on Act 18:8 it talk about someone getting baptized, him and his household, but it clearly states that he and his household believed, it implies that every was of enough maturity to hear, understand and believe (And Crispus, the chief ruler of the synagogue, believed on the Lord with all his house; and many of the Corinthians hearing believed, and were baptized. Acts 18 : 8) Another point, if is obvious that children/babies can get baptized, then why doesn't the bible simply state so? Especially since the bible doesn't talk much about children after the Gospels. It would've been stated that children where also baptized if that were the case since it previously was stated that the prerequisite for getting baptized is to believe in Christ and repent for your sins (let your old self died and reborn in Christ), none of this is possible if you are child. All in all, we do keep it simple. Our believe is simple and consistent with what we our told by the scripture. To believe otherwise is to insert and/or make assumptions that are contrary to the meaning of baptism. God bless.

[@tellthetruth6430]

@ReapeR1793 Your response I'd a typical example of 'tell me you are single/without child without saying it.' Even this saying does not justify your assumption at all because you were once a child in a household! Where in scripture does it say that a household excludes children? In that culture, when the head of a family "believes" the whole family believes. They weren't like you guys today scattering in multiple direction in disobedience to the head of your household. Examples of households in scripture: Joshua "me and my household will serve the Lord" - doesn't include children? Abrahams' household of 318 men excludes women and children? The household of David excluded children? Etc. Please stop excluding those who Hod includes. Jesus said, "Let children come to me because the kingdom of heaven is like those...." Above all, Jesus said baptism is essential, and he himself, though without sin, insisted on getting baptised in His case "to fulfil all righteousness." As baptism is the new circumcision, and circumcision is largely for babies, except if you're converting as an adult, go out and baptise your babies ASAP. Simple!

[@ReapeR1793]

@tellthetruth6430 First of all, I have kids, also I was making a case of why we believe different and why we don't share your believes, no need to be condescending and if I was condescending to you, I apologize. I can also make the same case that by saying, "Where in scripture does it say that the household had kids," say what you will, but you are still assuming. And even if it did it doesn't specify that the kids were also baptized, and if thee indeed where baptized then the bible would specify it since one the previously stated prerequisites for baptism is to believe in Jesús and his sacrifice. It would be of great importance to specify it since children cannot fully comprehend that. I can also make the case that verse "Let the children come to me because the Kingdom of Heavens is like those..." further proves our point by saying that the children are innovent therefore they dont need to be baptized to get to the Kingdom of Heavens, therefore meaning that we need to be like children; innocent, sinless, not abide by the old law, etc. to able to get to heaven, but clearly as more mature and knowing right from wrong we choose sin therefore not worthy of heaven, and only by believing and trusting in Christ can we be redeemed and cleans from our sins. Case in point by Jesus, saying the previous verse means that kids are innocent and sinless since He stated that the "Kingdom of Heavens is like those" and no person carrying sin will ever reach heaven, by default it means kids are innocent and pure and dont need to be baptized. Also baptism is super important but is not essential for salvation, it stated throughout the New Testament that only Jesus is way, and He purify us from sins and take our place, baptism is a way to solidify our believe and trust in him (being reborn), for example, the thief on the cross was saved and he wasn't baptized, and may say that "well he didn't had time" but in Act 10:34 Peter said that "God is no respecter of persons" meaning that he doesn't value someone's life over others, He treats us and measure us the same, He is a just God. So, that being said, it's clear that baptism is not a requirement for salvation (I'm not saying it is not important). God bless.

[@tellthetruth6430]

@ReapeR1793 Thanks for your responses and respect. I didn't mean to be less respectful. It is common knowledge that households/ houses /families have children, especially households of the ancient Middle East. As a matter of fact, there's nowhere in scripture that households excluded children. Non. As a parent, I don't see how anyone can, without bias, assume otherwise. Go to Exodus 12. The passover lamb was for each household of Isreal. Please tell me how there were no children in all of their households. You clearly, in good faith, CANNOT make that argument. House/households can also mean a whole tribe or nation. Therefore, this argument from silence really does not help. You have to answer the following questions to yourself: 1) Was Jesus Christ pure and innocent? 2) Did Jesus Christ get baptised? 3) Why did Jesus insist on being baptised against John's protest? 5) If children are without original sin, why were they circumcised on the 8th day of their lives? 6) Is baptism not the new circumcision? Lastly, 7) What do you understand from Acts of the apostles 2:38 - 39? My take as a follower of Christ is to do whatever Jesus says and does, which is the example of Jesus - He does what He sees His father do. There are somany things that aren't explicitly written in scripture, and we defer to the Holy Universal Church authority for interpreted and guidance. Baptism washes away original sin, makes us children of God, members of His church. Baptism is not a public symbol. You do not need the public for baptism. Those households were baptised in their homes, not in public. As you have children, go baptise them ASAP, please. I'm sure you aren't waiting for them to grow up to choose their schools, language, clothes, vaccines, medications, bed to sleep in, etc. You make those vital decisions for them as their parent. Like Joshua, choose the God you'll serve, and your children follow suit. That's how it should be. I'll soon start going live so we can have proper conversation as this texting thing isn't effective communication. Be blessed.

[@mgician23]

If salvation is a free gift why do you even need to be baptized to receive it? If a parent baptizes their entire family but they are the only ones in that household that accept and believe in Jesus are they all going to be saved? The only argument that makes sense for a baby to be baptized is to cleanse them of the original sin, the rest of these arguments don’t make much sense to me.

[@-D-I-V-A-]

Where in the Bible does it say, to Baptize babies to get rid of this Original Sin? I do believe that any baby who dies without being Baptized is automatically goin to Heaven! Do you really think in sprinkling a little water on a baby is what will SAVE them from going to Hell if they died as an infant? *STOP FOLLOWING WACK* *MAN-MADE TRADITIONS!*

[@texasrangersluv]

This video on baptism is far from accurate. Salvation is a gift- & just as any gift is given or offered, it must be received. But when we receive, we ought to have an understanding of the gift we receive & value it. In this case, valuing God’s Word by obeying it. To receive the gift, understand it, cherish it. Jesus says it best “if you love me, keep my commandments. And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another advocate to help you and be with you forever- the Spirit of truth. The world cannot accept him, because it neither sees him nor knows him. But you know him, for he lives with you and will be in you.” ‭‭John‬ ‭14‬:‭15-‭17‬ ‭NIV‬‬

[@FlakoBarrios]

How do you know his house hold included infents what if there children were all over 14 years old

[@singlegoaltv3720]

Exactly

[@Christiandurazzo2024]

You are wrong he said repent and BE baptized NOT GO AND GET BAPTIZED. He's talking about spiritually not water baptism

[@kylethebarber9636]

I may not agree but I do really appreciate the very well thought out perspective.

[@justmebroC134]

It says “repent AND be baptized” do baby’s hav anyway of knowing what repentance is😂do they know of anything you’re talking about😂be foreal. Catholicism is a bunch of nonsense. U really think you can convince people baby’s can repent and turn away from their sins😂children are not necessary baby’s, my child can be 20. This is ridiculous. Repentance is consciously changing ur actions

[@killianmiller6107]

How are we to treat the severely mentally handicapped? Can they be baptized if they cannot consciously repent and believe? Catholics understand that the church is not just a bunch of atomized individuals, but a communal body. Never dare we say one part has no need of another part. For those who cannot repent and believe on their own like infants, the parents and the church as a whole believe on their behalf, given the child will be raised in the faith, and this is valid for the sacrament of baptism. Why should we withhold the most necessary grace of being born again?

[@justmebroC134]

@@killianmiller6107 it’s a conscious decision. What’s the point if they don’t understand? There isn’t one. And I’m pretty sure forcing a severely handicapped individual underwater is abuse lol. Catholics do a bunch of useless nonsense like saying hail Marrys, she’s is no one to be hailed, having secret confessions, Jesus said the vail is torn, having a priest called “father” , Jesus said don’t call anyone father because you already have one in God, having a hierarchy, when Jesus said leaders should not exercise authority over people, the Catholic Church is the opposite of what Jesus had in mind. And I’m 100% sure why it’s riddled with pedophilia when Jesus said you’re better off tying a milestone around ur neck and throwing yourself into the ocean rather than causing his children to sin. Baby’s and those who can’t understand will be with God. You can’t save some else😂 Ur saying God is so unjust he’s gunna look at them and go hmm here it says ur parents didn’t baptize you be gone🤣🤣get a clue buddy

[@Garategv]

I agree with you. My personal belief is that any baby who passes away automatically is saved by the just God of Heaven who judges fairly. Or is God going to say to this baby: “Sorry, your family didnt baptize you before you passed, you are not allowed in heaven.” This video is a bunch of nonsense but I believe it is well intended. Anyway, make sure to support his patreon😅 I hate it when people do religious things for money.

[@mustangfuego]

​@killianmiller6107 where is your biblical defense? Do you seriously think that your opinion can defend God's word better than God's word itself? I see so many opinions on this video yet none that provide real biblical proof that a Baby should be baptized without its own free will to make the choice. ‭Mark 7:8-9 [8] For laying aside the commandment of God, you hold the tradition of men -the washing of pitchers and cups, and many other such things you do.” [9] He said to them, “All too well you reject the commandment of God, that you may keep your tradition.

[@killianmiller6107]

Credobaptists deny infants and the mentally handicapped the necessary grace of salvation because of the novel man made doctrine they hold to, it was nowhere found in the early church. For one, circumcision was how men were initiated into the old covenant, as it says in Genesis “You are to undergo circumcision, and it will be the sign of the covenant between me and you. For the generations to come every male among you who is eight days old must be circumcised, including those born in your household or bought with money from a foreigner-those who are not your offspring.” And baptism is how we’re initiated into the new covenant, as it says in Galatians “all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ. There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. If you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.” We know there’s a connection because of what Paul says in Colossians “In him you were also circumcised with a circumcision not performed by human hands. Your whole self ruled by the flesh was put off when you were circumcised by Christ, having been buried with him in baptism, in which you were also raised with him through your faith in the working of God, who raised him from the dead.” Infants in the old covenant didn’t have the free will to be circumcised or not. But because they would be raised by their parents, they were initiated as children to be part of the covenant. There is nothing stopping the new covenant from being the same way, not one verse says “do not baptize infants, wait until they’re older to make their own profession of faith”, because Jesus came to fulfill the law not abolish it and not one jot or tittle of the law will pass away. But on the contrary we see just as Genesis mentions, all in the household are to be initiated from the master to the infant to the slave, and as such the baptizing of whole households in the NT reflects this. If the Bible is silent about it (since all explicit examples are from adult Jews and pagans converting), then we can look to apostolic tradition, and indeed we see wherever there was debate about baptizing infants, it was a question of HOW SOON If you have the false view of baptism (and ecclesiology by extension), then of course you won’t understand why we baptize infants. Baptism is the ordinary way Christ instituted for us to enter his covenant; it cleans us of original sin and all personal sin, as Acts says “Repent and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins.” When the Bible speaks of baptism, nowhere does it lay out the idea that you are saved simply by faith and baptism is just a sign, because on the contrary 1Peter says “baptism now saves you.” Feel free to turn yourself into pretzels telling me that baptism actually does not save you. If baptism is such a powerful thing, we would be fools to withhold such a necessary grace for our children. If baptism is merely a sign of already being saved by faith, then you fail 1 Peter because you literally treat it as just getting wet, and the question remains “why baptize at all?” Indeed faith leads to baptism, but it’s not the faith that forgives your sins but your baptism. Furthermore, you must assume the church is merely an invisible body of private believers, when the fact is it is also very visible and public. You must consider the church to be a bunch of atomized individuals, where we genuinely believe it’s a body, and one part helps the other parts. The faith of the church makes the requisite of faith for baptism valid for those who can’t choose for themselves.

[@Spider-yq1ez]

baptism is the new circumcision. When do you perform circumcision on a child? on the 8th day right? That means we should baptize infants that are 8 days old. CASE CLOSED.

[@Ocapela215]

You should look up what most those people that were circumcised did in the Bible.

[@moviespirit9067]

That’s under the old covenant. God was very explicit when stating when to be circumcised. Don’t you think Jesus would be with Baptism then too, based on your logic?? Don’t add or take away from His word!

[@geraldmurphy321]

Actually I think chrysostom says don't even wait till the eighth day since the new covenant is better than the old it can happen quicker

[@moviespirit9067]

@geraldmurphy321 Yeah even tho I don't agree still. His logic means 7-day-old babies or younger are hellbound lol

[@isrberlinerin4063]

Water baptism is the new circumcision it is religious fiction no biblical evidence is found . You catholics make up things while you go !

[@truejoe25]

Great explanation, I understand now . I’ve always thought I needed to be baptized again

[@jovanarosic3606]

As two years old I knew. I was aware. Some kids are aware of so much things. My soul is in actual pain when parents don't know their kids.

[@joetookmyvideo]

Baptism of infants shows the faith of the adults, this is simple, why would anyone deny the holy spirit to their child?

[@paulmualdeave5063]

Good point

[@Tyr1345]

@joetookmyvideo 8 hours ago Baptism of infants shows the faith of the adults, this is simple, why would anyone deny the holy spirit to their child? So you can prevent the Holy Spirit from descending on your child by not baptizing them?

[@joetookmyvideo]

@@Tyr1345 could you prevent that child from getting measles by not vaccinating them?

[@tyeteemo]

how can infant repent??

[@grandsonofman]

Like corpses, they just parrot what they have been told. Real life zombies IMHO.

[@catholicguy1073]

An infant doesn’t repent. For someone who is of the age of reason repents. However through Gods unmerited grace all children if the parents are called to this grace by God should baptize their children. It is the parents who are then leading their child to Christ. And as Jesus said do not keep the children from me. People who have severe mental handicaps can’t repent. Are you suggesting they can’t be baptized? If you hold that view that’s not biblical at all.

[@tyeteemo]

@@catholicguy1073 your answer is out of context. the answer to this is simple, first you have to believe and then repent, thats it. infant cant do neither; you cant go around with your answer

[@catholicguy1073]

@@tyeteemo again you’re cherry picking. Secondly we all carry original sin from the fall. When someone is baptized it forgives you of your sins. One of them being original sin. Secondly it is necessary for salvation. You don’t understand the totality of Scripture. All the Early Church fathers and Apostles had baptism open to everyone regardless of age. But some people like you who don’t know scripture give baseless arguments It is by Gods unmerited Grace that brings you to baptism whether it is it to you directly or your parents to bring you to the faith. This is why St. Paul said that baptism REPLACES circumcision. And how old a baby when they were circumcised? 8 days old. Not 8 months or 8 years etc.

[@tyeteemo]

@@catholicguy1073 There are plenty of verses that states that you have to be conscious (Mark 16:16,Acts 22:16 and so on), how is that cherry-picking?? You said, ''When someone is baptized it forgives you of your sins'' so you are agreeing with me now that you have to be conscious… you are contradicting yourself now.. your last paragraph is man made theory.. nothing about that in the bible. and Paul said baptism replaces circumcision because it is a new covenant. When you baptize you enter the new covenant, it doesnt mean that you have to do it on the 8th day. I know that catholics tend to listen to what church father said, but always look it up in the bible for youself

[@alexs.5107]

Is this your natural voice or have you tempered with it to male it heavy?

[@KingdomHarvestCinema]

Genuine question, what happens to all the infants that never had faith as adults. Does the sacrament override a nonbeliever? Or is the the same as mortal sin to where they are separate due to unbelief but their one baptism was valid? Because scripture indicates also baptism is for the remission of sins - so is the child’s future sins forgiven?

[@Carryyourcrosss]

i think he qouted that you have to be baptised and believe

[@KingdomHarvestCinema]

@@Carryyourcrosss yeah that’s fine my questions were separate and just in general. I got baptized as an adult so I’m trying to wrap my head around how faith relates to infant baptism

[@killianmiller6107]

Doesn’t seem to me that there is any such thing as forgiveness for future sins. Baptism is how we ordinarily first come into a state of grace, and it remits all stain of past sin, including original sin and all personal sins. If you were brought up Christian having been baptized, then fall away from the faith and live in sin, you can be cut off from the life of grace, and if you don’t repent you will go to hell; this assuming they are knowing and consenting to their sins, sometimes your culpability can be lessened if you genuinely didn’t know the grace you were rejecting. However, you always retain your baptismal character (which is why we never re-baptize). Parents who baptize their children have a responsibility to raise them in the faith, sometimes I wonder if some parents don’t take this seriously; but plenty of kids turn away even with an ideal Christian upbringing. For all of us, we can initially come to Christ and then turn away from him, and we need to repent and confess our sins to be brought back into right relationship.

[@edwardyanez9696]

Can an infant repent ? 😂

[@theevolutionslayer1772]

Exactly and in the Book of John only adults were being baptized.

[@leonardonifinluri4416]

Let me ask you a question, if a baby died, would he/she go to heaven? Sin is inherited right, so a baby is not pure too.

[@user-ug7zo7uk1w]

There is no "only" .. children are not sinners..though they are born with original sin's taint. Baptism confers grace by removing the original sin. Besides children have a right to inherit their parents ' faith. They run the risk.of not dying in grace if they die early in infancy..infant baptism is perfectly in place.

[@theevolutionslayer1772]

​@@leonardonifinluri4416What sins do babies commit as infants that don't speak nor walk???

[@levrai944]

@@theevolutionslayer1772I think you should re read the reply above.

[@aidanvalencia2619]

What if one from your household is against god but one fully believes? Will the whole family be saved?

[@menelikrusso3218]

I dont see how the book of acts says children should be baptised. It says the promise (referring to the gift of the Holy Spirit) is to you and your children, meaning that if the parent decides to get baptised the Holy Spirit can be poured out over their descendents as well.

[@DanielMorales-kd3bc]

I agree. I don't see that in the book of acts at all. This guy can mislead millions of souls.

[@R.C.A.T]

Where does the Bible ever say not to baptize or give an age limit? The Bible does say that Jesus gave authority to the Apostles. What you bind in earth is bound in heaven.. The Catholic Church is the only Church with authority. It produced the very Bible that you read. So you can't trust the Bible without trusting the Church. If the Church says we baptize infants.. that's FINAL .

[@Llumbet]

I agree let’s tell everyone the truth and bring people closer to Christ

[@tlove9831]

Presumptuous conclusion is always the greatest obstacle to see the real deeper truth!!!!!! VofR👍👍👍

[@carlospalacios3486]

Bro I have to ask is it your real voice or are you faking it? I love you brother i just had to ask . Peace be upon you

[@jesusporras9370]

Why not both? Infant baptism is a beautiful tradition. Adult baptism is a beautiful decision. Brothers in Christ nowhere in the bible does it say it has to be one or the other. While it does talk about the importance of baptism there's no longer a "perfect" time, an "eighth" day. Christ will always welcome us with open arms. Amen

[@jeffroman7413]

Let’s get you with George Janko!

[@AngelGonzalez-ng9ve]

Great Video my kind Sr. Hve your producer send it to good old Cliffe. God bless. And God bless the HOLY CATHOLIC APOSTOLIC CHURCH. ⛪️ 🍞🍷✝️📿📖🕊🔑📝

[@invisiblepodcast.]

bro u really made me rethink everything wow ure great men

[@danielaquino5855]

Read scripture man don’t rely on men. And don’t try to interpret yourself.

[@alexmrs12]

i very apreciate that you didnt call him A FALSE TEACHER like others would have done

[@JayRedding12_12]

It's a free gift. And it's the greatest gift of all gifts we can give our children.

[@mgraysonhay]

Salvation is a free gift…but it is a free gift *OF GOD.* Not of ourselves or our own doing, as Ephesians 2:8-9 says. Therefore, our parents cannot merit us salvation, only Christ and His Work can. Infant baptism is effacious for nothing, and will not save. Only faith in Jesus Christ will save based on His grace alone…and unless a child places their faith and trust for the forgiveness of their sins, they will not inherit the Kingdom of God.

[@leviwilliams9601]

As a reformed Presbyterian, I would like to say that the bible does say baptism in salvivic and regenerative. God gives faith to infants. Baptism is something God does and not what we do. Just like infants including all humans are completely unable to accept God without him acting on our account. The sacraments are a part of this unmerited favor of God. All the reformers, (Luther/Calvin would agree). They all believed in the salvivic and regenerative effect of baptism. Your comment shows an incredibly new and unbiblical idea.

[@leviwilliams9601]

​@@mgraysonhayGod bless you and hope this comment finds you well

[@JayRedding12_12]

@@leviwilliams9601 , I was trying to think of a better way to word this when I left the comment. Baptism is a gift frome God.

[@daniellehartley1088]

So they did baptize as adults believed, So then you can do it that way, Where does it say baptize all nations As infants? I was born and raised in the Catholic Church. And I can tell you what I learned was that the Catholic Church does not want to lose power will do whatever it takes to remain a God for people, And Jesus says I am the way the truth and the life, not the catholic church, So picture a Catholic who is baptized And receives the sacraments But Only goes to church on sunday and then lives life the way they want Monday through saturday, And they get to go to heaven but Protestant who is baptized and takes communion, Who does God's work, Reads their bible, Tell us people about Jesus, feeds the poor God's gonna send them to hell Because they didn't take a host and baptism from a catholic church? Doesn't make God sound like a very loving, appealing. God, does it?.. Is that why I know so many former Catholics who are now atheists?

[@giosolano6383]

A baby to repent? How can a baby repent if they are innocent.

[@georgepierson4920]

Romans 3:23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God.

[@DavidTheZealot]

I watched and was disappointed how George's girlfriend seemed to be the most theologically sound with her Catholic upbringing and cliff helped George make her doubt her true beliefs it was brutal to witness

[@drizzle452]

Catholic sanity highlights the “absence of condemnation” of infant Baptism in Scripture too-which I find the most convincing argument. The very idea that the Apostles and their disciples didn’t directly address infant Baptism indicates that it was ordinarily practiced/accepted. The majority of early Christians were rooted in the Jewish tradition and the more appropriate question is actually: “show me where Scripture condemns infant Baptism?” The Apostles would have absolutely had to explicitly prohibit the practice when you consider that infants were admitted into the Mosaic Covenant at 8 days.

[@jakechambers1739]

Would love to see you and Cliffe talk

[@isaacakinz2930]

I am Christian I do no follow a particular sect or denomination but I love learning about the the churches and denominations

[@paulmualdeave5063]

If you like history, check out Hippolytus of Rome. He was an antipope that repented and became a pope. He and the actual pope were arrested by the Emperor and they were in prison together. He died a martyr and the pope confirmed his repentance and was later made a saint.

[@CatholicPerson-ld6vq]

Of course u do u are Evangelical tho but the thing is I hope Islam will shrink Islam teaches how to beat yourself at the Day of Ashura (Muharram)

[@I_-_O._.O_-_P_-_Y]

Yeah, he also stated on one occasion that the King James Bible was an accurate translation without 'ahem' alterations. 😅

[@mulipolatuuumataafatiufeaa4964]

Thank Alex for hhe clear explanation of the Catholic stance on the infant baptism.

[@rewindseventyseven-en6iv]

There are more evidence in the bible that infant baptism is allowed than it is prohibited. In fact, there is no verse in the bible that prohibits infant baptism.

[@darrellperez1029]

Colossians 2:11-13. Even Paul said infant baptism was necessary This is a great preacher. Just not complete.

[@bluecomb5376]

I hope you do a response video to Allen Parr!

[@csuero]

“Repent” and be baptized? What is repentance and how does it happen ? Can a baby even understand what repentance is? “Believe” ? Can a baby believe? When the jailer and his family (household) are baptized, it doesn’t mention any children. The household could have all been adults who believed and were subsequently baptized.

[@georgepierson4920]

Romans 3:23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God.

[@JBxxx86]

@@georgepierson4920 baptize an infant and as soon as he talks and walks cheats and lies, what's next? He doesn't know repentance yet

[@grandsonofman]

1:52 the way he looks when Cliff says he was rebaptized is friggin telling seeing how Catholics "rebaptized" by drowing.

[@Cross_Guard]

So we do agree then that baptism doesn't give a person salvation right? A good example is that my friend is agnostic/atheist. He was baptized when he was little. But he could care less about Jesus when I evangelize to him 🫤

[@geefryherrera3261]

I'm curious though, so how can someone be saved? Because from what I understand is that Baptism is a covenant or an agreement or marriage. Where your old you (your flesh) dies and you're reborn in Christ as you accept his gift of salvation. And obviosuly faith without works is dead, because if you don't have the desire to live like Christ and show compassion/love and forgiveness to others then you never really believed in the first place in baptism. So what is baptism? and how do you get saved? Am I automatically saved from infant years if i got baptized.

[@lonniestoute8762]

Well done

[@Brillo_4]

so what would happen if you change your life (get saved i mean) and before you are able to get baptized?

[@danielaquino5855]

Are you asking, if you were to pass away and weren’t able to get baptized ?

[@youngspecial64]

Remember... Catholicism, Orthodox, Christian, whatever sucka. What matters most is that we put our very own eyes onto Jesus Christ and that we build a close relationship with Him as we fallow Him. Catholicism isn't the way. Orthodox isn't the way. Christianity isn't the way. *JESUS* is the way. Let's not stray away from that fact

[@llhcdv7452]

Household doesn’t exactly mean “Family” like children or even infants. Household also means people living with you who are not necessarily family (They just live under the same room) There’s no way you can prove that it meant children and infants got baptized with Lydia.

[@juanzendejas490]

Makes sense that one could be saved by the faith of another. Since you mentioned the new circumcision, does it also tie in to the new baptism where John says Jesus will baptize in spirit?

[@antoinjohnson4146]

Are you talking about Jesus baptism?

[@juanzendejas490]

@@antoinjohnson4146 yes

[@antoinjohnson4146]

@@juanzendejas490 oh Jesus baptism was different, since he did not have any sins to wipe away, it was symbolically showing us Jesus receiving the Holy Spirit from the Father to begin his missionary work. That’s all Jesus’ baptism represents.

[@kenisaac3851]

Bro is the epitome of “ SAY IT WITH YOUR CHEST” 😭

[@davidvanriper60]

sigh....good grief. Not a WORD in the NT that infants are to be baptized. You all read into the text what you have been taught to believe,

[@fillup901]

“He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.” ‭‭Mark‬ ‭16‬:‭16‬ ‭KJV‬‬ this verse can go both ways. It doesn’t necessarily prove or disprove either side . Regarding the households. We have to ASSUME that infants were a part of the households. Although it’s very possible, we have no definitive statements in the Bible that say so. The only thing we know for certain is that believing in Jesus is a requirement for baptism. And if some households were baptized together, then all the members were old enough to express their faith. Lastly, if the man of the house gets saved there’s over a 90% chance his household will too.

[@csongorarpad4670]

Godspeed!

[@ForzaSongs1991]

These are good points, but one thing I can’t get behind is why would you accept the writings of Paul or Peter more authoritative than Jesus’ words? Can someone please explain this?

[@Caposenpai]

I want to see a video between you and Cliff

[@kiljonlenin]

I haven’t finished the video yet but I wanna add on in case I forget. You could argue that the sacrament of confirmation fulfills the “confirming” of your baptism as an infant.

[@UnngoyTMTayo]

@4:05 ‭* where in this verse says infant got baptized? Acts 16:14-15 ESV‬ [14] One who heard us was a woman named Lydia, from the city of Thyatira, a seller of purple goods, who was a worshiper of God. The Lord opened her heart to pay attention to what was said by Paul. [15] And after she was baptized, and her household as well, she urged us, saying, “If you have judged me to be faithful to the Lord, come to my house and stay.” And she prevailed upon us.

[@Luis-vn4ue]

It says households, it includes everyone inc infants. It doesn't say household but not your babies

[@UnngoyTMTayo]

@@Luis-vn4ue * what does it prove then? That there may be an infant (assumption) in that household? If that is the case what if there is a dog (which is also an assumption) in that household? Was the dog saved? If we take that assumption, does that prove infant baptism? Where in scripture mentioned about infant baptism? And where in scripture says dog baptism? There are so many problems and conflicts with these assumptions. BTW Catholic here, just seeking truth. Lastly can an infant have a clear conscience and willingness to pledge to God?: 1 Peter‬ ‭3:21 ‭NIV‬‬ [21] and this WATER SYMBOLIZES BAPTISM that now saves you also-not the removal of dirt from the body but the PLEDGE OF A CLEAR CONSCIENCE TOWARD GOD. It saves you by the resurrection of Jesus Christ,

[@Luis-vn4ue]

​@UnngoyTMTayo there's no point being ridiculous about it with the dog. Did you bother to watch the video with the questions answered?. Because babies are born with original sin, they need baptism to cleanse them, so that they may become adopted sons and daughters of God and receive the grace of the Holy Spirit. Jesus said that the kingdom of God also belongs to children (see Mt 18:4; Mk 10:14). Same as adults with disabilities that mean they can't choose, they still deserve baptism

[@UnngoyTMTayo]

@@Luis-vn4ue * well if the presumption is there may be infant, can't we say there may be a dog? Anyway where in the Bible can you find that "babies are born with original sin"?

[@Luis-vn4ue]

@UnngoyTMTayo dude, are you for real...we are all born with original sin other than Jesus and Mary. Go and educate yourself, Adam and Eve ring a bell?.

[@Nothing00987]

You should debate or have a discussion about Protestants and Roman Catholics with Jeff Durbin or Dr. James White from Apologia

[@duncanwashburn]

3:30ish - Voice uses Act 2:38,39 to prove infant baptism. Let's take a closer look. Answering the question, "what shall we do?" Peter said, "repent and be baptized in the Name of Jesus Christ." Then he said, "for this promise is for you and your children." What promise? If you repent and are baptized then you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. Therefore, Cliff's response was correct without reading into Scripture a needed doctrine that infants can't repent.

[@martinez9479]

If the child comes to the understanding (this part is very important) of God's saving grace and believe and placing his or her full trust in Jesus.

[@Mortyrian]

Perhaps they were implying that the jailer's family would be convinced to believe, the jailer was also the husband and spiritual head of his family, perhaps if your father is saved you reap the same benefits, but if your father isn't saved what then?

[@noskcaj3127]

I feel like there’s a lot of people misleading themselves because they’re taking what someone else said as the only way to understand scripture instead of going and looking into God’s word themselves. You can easily run into trouble if this is your mindset, as you’re relying on secondhand faith and not your own. That’s a part of why I would agree with Cliffe’s stance here. Baptism is not something a child can understand or be changed by. I believe that child baptism is simply flashy nonsense that does not have biblical roots.

[@user-oc3or2ow6x]

The word "children" means people who were born from their parents. I am 20 years old, and I am a child of my parents. This word does not always have to refer to infants.

[@christian.editz1]

I'm Coptic Orthodox from Egypt 🇪🇬☦️

[@engineer15learsi17]

Im a Filipino … catholics in our country practices infant baptism but sad to say even the parents have no idea that Jesus has already saved us…, and that’s why baptism is for those who really understand the Gospel.., and baptism of infant has nothing to do with it and doesn’t make sense