Does Porsche Have a Big Problem? Why Their Iconic Status Is at Risk

[@OVB_NL]

I'm a long term Tesla Model S driver which is now 9 years old. I've been on the fence for about a year thinking about a 2nd hand Taycan but just can't bring myself to risk it given the amount of issues I keep reading about on the forums and FB groups - despite the high depreciation making 2nd hand prices quite attractive. An out-of-warranty Taycan just feels too scary a jump..the labour rates alone are quite frightening. You can say what you want but my 2015 Model S has been brilliant and whenever I've needed Tesla, they've been good and reasonably priced...even out of warranty. It's a shame they don't make the Model S in RHD anymore...

[@findtom1]

You’d miss the tech in the Tesla as well. Porsche’s apps, PCM, etc are so far behind.

[@TABonTV]

I would never run one out of warranty!

[@RBcymru]

How many issues have you had with your Tesla ? I was about to buy a used Taycan but walked away when I saw values in free fall and the number of cars failing. Tesla model S battery much easier to repair compared to Taycan pouch cells.

[@OVB_NL]

@@RBcymru My car has done nearly 100k miles and it's still on the original battery and drive unit. I've had no issues with either but given mine was an early Tesla Model S (2015), I have done some preventative maintenance on it by replacing the main high voltage fuse which can rust and let water in. It was about £500 by a 3rd party and shoudl prevent a known potential issue with my model type. I've had the usual door handles that needed replacement...mostly under warranty but I've had 1 out of warranty at £250 which was still one of the originals. I've had the boot lock fail 3x (they are known for it and Tesla fix them at about £250. I should mention that most work has been done by the Tesla Rangers that come to your house too. The only things that have been done at a service centre was voluntarity upgrading the MCU (in-car screens + 4G LTE) and upgrade to CCS (again a voluntary upgrade). Other than that, nothing. If I keep it, I'll consider getting the Large Drive Unit (LDU) coolant delete as a preventative measure which avoids coolant potentially entering the drive unit...similar to the battery work i had done, it would be preventative maintenance. For the rest, i've gone through 3 sets of tyres in total and the discs and pads have loads of life left. Hope that helps.

[@RBcymru]

@@OVB_NL Awesome info and after Tesla fixed the early model issues I think they got the model S right. What is the range now ?

[@SISTIC1]

Yep, I’ve owned a Taycan for a year and it been in & out of the garage multiple times. Luckily it’s still under warranty. I’ve had issues with the rear door not closing, the electric folding exterior side mirror making a clonk sound every time it closes-which is every time I lock the vehicle, the paint on one of the alloy wheels pealing off, and some other minor issues. It’s a fantastic car but plagued with niggles.

[@paulgaida2601]

I think Porsche needs more independence in terms of software. It’s engineering has been for decades too draw, but the software is 2nd or possibly 3rd rate. Plus the EV architecture is too compromised and over complicated to be efficient and reliable. I’m optimistic that this super brand can do it, just worried that the VW group will both stifle its ability to compete and possibly cause a weakening of the brand by association as that group struggles. Another great video!

[@TABonTV]

As you say - exactly the same thoughts, I'm sure they'll get there. They just need to do it with a big eye on the competition!

[@TakahiroYamada-n3s]

I have a Porsche Taycan 2022 and it has experienced numerous quality issues and has been in service for over 1 month now.

[@TABonTV]

Sorry to hear that - hope they get on top of it

[@Tinyzkid]

What model year is your Taycan? How long have you had it? How many miles did it have?

[@TABonTV]

2022, since new, not far over 10k

[@DanielFrench]

I’ve had a Tesla model 3 performance for five years. Decided to jump ship for a Macan Turbo which was ordered in June of this year. I’m due to collect it next month, and having read forum posts, watched videos (like this one), and seeing 40 for sale on auto trader already! I’m genuinely worried the car will be a riddled with issues, load of hassle, and rubbish etc

[@SISTIC1]

Porsche gave me a 2024 curtsy cayenne s last Friday with less than 300 miles on the clock. I had it for a day. Within that day 5 fault warning light illuminated on the dash. Not a good start to that vehicles life and definitely not a good impression left on me. Didn’t mean to scare you, your Meccan could be bulletproof; if not you’ll be covered under warranty for three years anyway, so that’s slight peace of mind.

[@piotrn6780]

Macan’s on autotrader are predominantly dealers cars for sale, also registered to dealers, hens many there.

[@DanielFrench]

@@piotrn6780 Jeeze - that's alot of dealers cars... Seems the turbo's aren't selling - same 10 have been listed for almost a month already.

[@FrancescoBorsotti]

I’ve got my Macan 4 ev a couple of weeks ago. So far… it is a great car! No,problems at all

[@TABonTV]

I would just enjoy it, hopefully it'll be kind to you! 🤞🏻

[@T-Sav]

Collecting Turbo S tomorrow, delayed by a two days was supposed to be Monday! Hoping no too many issues :D

[@TABonTV]

Enjoy it, you will love it!

[@GTI_CHHA]

Excellent analysis. Painful to see such a great brand struggling, but Porsche has to up their game to compete again with the EV industry (mostly China). Any updates about the failure analysis on your Taycan? If you keep driving the iX for prolonged time, you might not want to give it back anymore... ;-)

[@TABonTV]

Thanks for the comment! I'm sure they'll get there, just need to do it quickly! Competition will be fierce! Updates on the Taycan in a week or so 👍🏻

[@jase298hkhk]

I thought about this car, but the Porsche sales won't sell me one because he knows how many problem this car has. The US dealers don't even want them back for trade ins. Porsche has recalled almost every Taycan from 2020-2024 just last month I think.

[@TABonTV]

They've had their recalls for sure!

[@MrSergeiK]

Maybe someone will also be interested, we have a craftsman in Georgia in the post-Soviet space, he himself has a Taycan and he repairs all VAGs. He says in terms of design, these are very simple machines. And watching him repair them, I'm just shocked. Here they remove the battery and reflash the cell. I think it will be clear with the translation, the guy has golden hands. If someone needs advice, you can ask him, he answers. kzbin.info/www/bejne/ZpW9qHamlJmkj8k

[@paulcadman6051]

Good video tabon. The chinese are good and good value in my opinion pnly tesla near them for that. The rest are done for as they dont know value and have bedn soaking us for years. Unfortunately tariff situation may save them from an early bath. If it was a free trade market the legacy makers would no t exist very mych linger . Electric viking channel quite good . Thanks again. Always watch your channel sorry to hear about the taycan

[@TABonTV]

Thanks for the comments, exactly that, the threat from the completion is real!

[@hughmann1908]

I think they’ve worked out the Engineering issues on the more recent years, but the software is still an issue. Not to mention the underside is a huge weak spot. Add on that the bloom is off the rose for EV’s, people don’t want to spend $100-200k on an EV no matter how good it is. The last pile on is the secondary market, they aren’t selling. I’ll jump on an original one when they hit $60k CDN. They’ve already backtracked on the Macan.

[@TABonTV]

That's the thing, at that high initial price point the value conversation becomes much harder to justify

[@hcjpbluesky9916]

Suddenly, buying your daily driver on its 'Ring time stopped making sense in the EV era.

[@360trev]

An EV is radically different to an ICE car in terms of engineering. Not just engine but car dynamics, weight, longevity. Software becomes much more important and most brands have gotten too comfortable outsourcing major components then doing final assembly, so it's hardly surprising that software companies originating from Silicon Valley skills are better at producing EVs than traditional automotive industry. EVs are really just bigger more complex mobile phones with drive motors. The first few generations will suck before they get to maturity so unsurprisingly residuals will tank because next year's model is X2 better than this year's. Also the battery will commonly require replacement after 10 years and at that age won't be economically viable so that also hurts residuals. Who is still using an iPhone 1 in 2024? Exactly..

[@ianrothon5465]

all Porsche's have lots of issues. I have to be careful as my 911 is back in for the third time this year. It has done more miles going in for repair then I have done enjoying it

[@dingbell5498]

10yr old Macan, 2 ABS sensors failed, Transfer box failed, seems they all did, part warranty after 9 years. That was all until a week ago when air suspension went. Nothing serious, a corroded levelling link, so changed both. Still no rattles so it’s a keeper.

[@TABonTV]

Sorry to hear about that, never good when a car is in for surgery!

[@SISTIC1]

Let’s not forget about the high voltage battery recall on the horizon!

[@TABonTV]

Yep, still not UK news yet

[@darrens7603]

What do you mean by collaboration with Google Volkswagen group has already collaborated with rivian as a joint venture

[@TABonTV]

Yes, not long after I'd put this one together. There's two things. There's the interface software, and the intention is to go Google based, and then the driving systems software which is what (I think) this partnership is all about.

[@RBcymru]

I think Porsche made a mistake using LG battery pouch cells. Tesla model S used individual cells that can easily be removed or isolated fixing the battery. A lot to be said for "keep it simple stupid". I almost bought a used Taycan but didn't based on trade in values in free fall and reliability issues plus delays in repairing them. Does Audi have the same problems ? Xiaomi SU7 looks very nice and could be my choice when released in the UK. I do worry about Chinese build and parts quality as well as software security.

[@TABonTV]

The e-tron GT is exactly the same platform as the Taycan, I would imagine the same issues. I think there's less of them about though, so you may hear less about them.

[@RBcymru]

@@TABonTV Hope your car gets fixed soon.

[@MagnificoCAChannel]

Porsche’s problem (and that of all the western automakers outside of Tesla) is not just software but they have little to no support when it comes to the repairability of their EVs. It’s not that we don’t want them, but it’s absurd they don’t have a better system in place so that we can fix it if something goes wrong without practically having to buy a new one?! Tesla’s benefit is they have everything in house, and the Chinese makers sell at such an affordable price it’s not the end of the world even if you had to buy another one in the event of an issue. Add these problems on top of the fact that the public charging infrastructure in most places is nowhere near that of gases, charging is a long endeavor, AND the price of EVs is more expensive than its ICE counterparts practically across the board, we can’t simply say people don’t like EVs. These are some “real” hurdles you can’t expect to just leave the average consumer to figure out on their own

[@TABonTV]

Some valid points there, other EVs are very much repairable, it's just the process / parts could be a bit better.

[@hcjpbluesky9916]

To be fair, Tesla service centers can't fix batteries, either, and need to ship back to the mother ship. Tesla just have fewer problems with theirs and can usually swap packs out from inventory.

[@conner.9262]

German car industry are falling rapidly not just regarding tech issues but energy cost on production, cheap energy direct from Russia have all been stopped…… all self inflicting…..

[@BC-rt3yo]

I’ve found Porsche’s are not reliable at all. My 992 911 was constantly in for warranty work for the 4 years I had it. It was so disappointing as I thought a 911 was going to be bulletproof.

[@TABonTV]

You'd think so right?

[@pjroberts2010]

Personally, if I were in your position, I would ask for a free Taycan courtesy car since you've been waiting for four weeks.

[@TABonTV]

I'm going to have a 'goodwill' discussion with them when it's done....

[@johnvoght230]

Sorry for your Taycan After 3 years with a Taycan CT 4, only problem a charger out of order, otherwise the best car I have ever had. A Macan 4 since 1.5 months and 3500 km later, very satisfied. On the other hand, i suspect that their engineers do not test their car for everyday use. Example: armrest too short, the buttons of the door key remote control reversed, the buckle of the passenger seat belt knocks the car, no more regen button but a "next song"" button !! For electronics: the charge setting process for a programmed departure time does not work !!! I always ask Siri to play me a radio station, because always so complicated with the pcm No physical user manual, ok, but the one internal to the pcm does not exist for me, we can find one online, thanks to the Macan Forum, incomplete and poorly translated ... I don't know how Chinese cars are delivered, but for more than 100,000 euros, Porsche will have to do better

[@TABonTV]

Thanks for the comment! Interesting you mention about the next song button. One of the big feedback items on the Taycan was that there was no easy way to control the music from the steering wheel. They must have listened to that for the Macan! Hope you have some good motoring, with it!

[@kengormley4530]

The Chinese market is gonna tank once the EU & US put the tariffs in place.....maybe not in the UK due to Brexit

[@TABonTV]

Wonder what stance the UK will take...

[@joevandura9625]

Hi. Porsche don't have any other choice than to make EVs! After the Cariad fail in the Taycan they descided to create a own software engineer center they finished in October 2023! There they tested different software systems and decided to use Google #Automotive! The first car on this platform is the E Macan! And yessss, they used the same UI which is not really intuitive or smooth to the customer! But they have to change it for the next cars... Maybe the 718 is the one. Let's wait a bit... Hope your Taycan is coming back soon, can't believe that it's totally down.... 🤷🏼‍♂️ Have a nice day! 👍 👍 👍 ❤

[@joevandura9625]

And think about that the E Macan only have 3 control devices instead of 178 before!

[@TABonTV]

Thanks as always Joe, it will be interesting to see what they have for the new boxster. I hope they're able to get something which really changes things up for that! Take care! 👍🏻

[@LesDenwey]

Cars breaking down, really? Never had a single issue with my 981 Boxster GTS 😂

[@cbotten106]

Yeah, that's not an EV. Porsche Taycan now is rated among the most reliable EVs currently in Consumer Reports. EV reliability, thus far, has not been commensurable with the supposed simplicity of the drivetrain.

[@ghostridertom]

That BMW is hideous :-)

[@TABonTV]

I like them! (I must be weird! 😆)

[@PEACEOUTXX1]

Dude get real. The taycan gen 1 was porsche FIRST EVER EV. U know how many problems tesla had at first? I bet not becuase no one bought them then. Now if their all new gen 2 2025 taycan models have issues ill agree. But seriously do some critical thinking before u buy or post something this dumb. No one is going to perfect their first attempt.

[@cbotten106]

Yep, for the first bite of the EV apple, Porsche is ahead of the curve.

[@Tinyzkid]

Never seen anyone suck a corporations D so hard. Defending bricked cars and acting like Porsche is a new car company. You know what R&D is? Well Porsche should have spent more on it

[@davidkeenan5989]

He said that.

[@TABonTV]

@@davidkeenan5989 I believe I did 😆

[@nigelbradley5961]

I bet you are so happy you did not speck a new GT Taycan

[@Greg-SD-ElecEng]

I did. Non Weissach version. Loads of extras. Ive had it for a few months now and no issues whatsoever apart form neck ache from the outrageous acceleration.

[@TABonTV]

If I had a lot more cash than I do, I would've definitely added one to the collection!