Does the College Student Killer in Idaho Share Traits with Ted Bundy? | Idaho Murders Case Analysis

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[@barbarabarnett9600]

My grandchildren in college took this to heart and shut down their party house, put new locks on the doors, etc. Terrifying reality for too many of us. 😭 I guess we lost the lottery when my goddaughter and her husband were murdered outside Spartanburg, SC. Meagan Coxie and her husband JJ. By a serial killer in 2016. Found the bodies a year later.

[@the_review_lady_channel]

Tell them to get Simpli Safe alarm system (No contract) Video monitoring $20 month Calls police wirelessly.

[@barbarabarnett9600]

@@the_review_lady_channel ty! I'll take care of it. The two girls are sleeping with Louisville sluggers

[@shitmandood]

It’s kinda rare. Especially a sandman killer.

[@lauranorwar]

Good for them!! I hope they still have lots of fun in college, but it’s so wise of them to arrange things so that they control who has access to their homes.

[@lauranorwar]

And just to add…hopefully as time passes, they won’t get complacent. It’s so easy to do! They won’t always have to be on “high alert”, but it will always be important that they be aware of their surroundings, and the unfortunate fact that evil walks among us. And that evil rarely LOOKS like evil.

[@jessicalatorraca8507]

Dr. Grande, you are performing a public service for any who may have encountered the murderer. What to look for: wounds, items of clothing missing, agitation in the hours after the murder. You also offered a possible personality-type. Thank you.

[@NudePostingConspiracyTheories]

I think so too. Exactly what I thought.

[@maxalberts2003]

When I look back on my sleeping arrangements in college, I shudder. My bed once bounced across my room--with me in it--during an earthquake. Yes, I'd been warned to evacuate.

[@gregevans6044]

Completely agree. Thanks, Doc

[@ishtarlopez6203]

The police can't share too much or they blow the case.i know from a semi personal experience. They have to be able to know something only they n the killer know.

[@maxalberts2003]

@@ishtarlopez6203 While that is certainly true for most sophisticated police departments, the fact that they had to call in bigger guns and the FBI indicates that whoever committed this ghastly crime is and will probably remain one step ahead of the law.

[@johnathanadams6378]

Hey Dr. Grande, just to provide a counterpoint to your speculation: I lived at a “party house” for a couple years when I was in college. My roommates repeatedly left a back door unlocked so that friends could come in any time, grab drinks, and hang out. It didn’t matter that I argued why this was a bad idea; they did it anyway. So I put a deadbolt on my bedroom door and locked my door every night when I went to bed. It’s very possible the killer went from room to room and found a couple bedrooms locked- and rather than risk a call to 911 as he was breaking down the door, chose to let it go and went into unlocked rooms as targets of opportunity.

[@lightningbug276]

Smart decision!

[@chigggg]

But why would the killer target that entire house?

[@sarahb4484]

@ᑕᗩGᑎEY ᗯᗩᒪKEᖇ I felt the same way, but also could be that someone was already in the house and not invaded the house as they are trying to say.

[@nomadscavenger]

@@chigggg he didn't, just the middle and top one, strange, no? The ground floor looks like it's much closer to parking, but probably easier to get in and out. The ones you mentioned lived there. The murderer entered the "front?" entrance on the other side of the house, I'm guessing.

[@chigggg]

@@nomadscavenger you’re so right. The house is basically in two sections, and he only targeted the section in the back which had a separate entrance and backed up to the woods. I think he had to be hiding in the woods and watching them before making his move to the back door

[@Mad24680]

Dr. Grande your videos are always amazing. It is so sad to reflect on the ted incident and think about how one roommate had survivors guilt over this. The saddest part is we see people on social media saying “the surviving roommates should’ve heard this!” “I think they’re guilty” and it makes me think of how cruel those statements can be! Especially as the police have announced they are not people of interest. Thanks for the insightful video.

[@tammy5926]

I predict it will end up being someone or someone's who the police initially ruled out.

[@ericmckinney4607]

@@tammy5926 I completely agree. The Moscow cops remind me of Keystone cops unless they are intentionally lying in an attempt to trick the killer.

[@NickvonZ]

You provided WAY MORE info than ANY news agency!

[@Cherrrystax]

Where do you think the information came from 🤔

[@BackyardButcher]

@@Cherrrystax 🤫🤫

[@ReturnOfTheJ.D.]

This is one of the few times I'm appreciative of the MSM - by not revealing many details, they can often catch the killer easier. The reason is that in any murder, there's a whole lot of ways to make mistakes and betray your identity, through evidence you've never even thought of and possibly didn't even know existed. I've noticed that American True Crime shows are a lot more forthcoming with these kinds of details than ones in the UK and former British Colonies. There's almost no doubt that there's evidence on the killer right now that he or she isn't aware of, which could legally tie him to the crime and get a conviction. Too much discussion about it in the media leads to the killer destroying that evidence. Incidentally, I graduated at the age of 20 (had just turned that age the month before the ceremony). I noticed that there's a higher degree of autonomy given you at that age as compared with the last few years of your teens. Parents are less likely to give advice and the 20-year-olds are still not thinking like an adult. It's a window for things to happen like this. If they were 27 they'd have better security and if they were 18 there'd be more eyes watching over them. Looking back it was the most dangerous part of my life in terms of things that could happen. There was a couple of close shaves also.

[@krisl6661]

So true!

[@raksrulesaks]

@@Cherrrystax I think Nick’s point is that Dr Grande has contextualized the information into one package best- most of the reporting fills in parts of the story but nothing is this complete (like puzzle pieces being assembled)

[@javelin60]

I find it hard to wrap my brain around this one. It is beyond evil. I hope they catch whoever did it fast.

[@mopnem]

Sucks but logically if yr going to kill might as well go all out so at least that makes sense

[@dws84]

Nah, one thing we don’t need is more dizzy blondes. This killer is doing society a favour.

[@mp1201]

@@j.z.j.1559 I am also having a hard time with the idea it was one killer. I am sure there is much more the police are not say, but (there is no polite way to say this) when someone is being stabbed they are going to yell. Either way, it’s very sad.

[@evonne315]

@@j.z.j.1559 they were probably drunk/wasted, could all have taken sleep meds or smoked some weed to come down, when I was like that (I been sober 3 years) nothing could have woke me. Nothing.

[@doriangray5750]

@@mp1201 They reckon the killings took place between 3-4, which is around a full hour from the time they were ringing Jack (possibly in bed by this time). I should imagine they were out for the count by the time the pyscho crept upstairs. Each victim had a fatal stab wound to the chest, which was likely what he did 1st to stun them. This person needs to be caught

[@DanielMulloy-bg6gw]

So if the killer went from room to room looking for his intended target that in its self would suggest he DIDNT know these kids or their house very well. Had he known them well he would probably know exactly what room to go to. This looks more and more like serial killer as it drags on.

[@chanellover2143]

Kaylee had actually moved out and was only visiting for the weekend. She had a new job lined up in TX. So as she was only visiting she could have been hanging out/passed out in any of her friends room, and also her bed was gonna so she had to share a bed with her friend. I believe this is the reason the killer went to multiple rooms. I believe the killer is associated with kaylees ex, Jack.

[@tchallabp446]

What if it was jack

[@DanielMulloy-bg6gw]

@@tchallabp446 no way :) I would fall over if I t was jack....

[@catherinelw9365]

@@chanellover2143 Based on what evidence? Your feelings? 🤦‍♀

[@RedHeadThriller10]

so kaylee wasnt the original target then if it was a serial killer then

[@blackicex1622]

When I was a college student, me and some friends rented a house and threw a few parties here and there but we always locked the front/back doors and our bedroom doors. We also never invited unknowns especially other guys. I think it’s absolutely crazy and not very smart for people to think it’s okay to leave doors unlocked. Best case scenario would be burglary, worst case scenario is what we sadly have here.

[@-._.-KRiS-._.-]

@@alexf3251 Why would a man go into a fit of rage and attack a sorority after being rejected by a fraternity?

[@expensivepink7]

We don’t know the door was unlocked he could have known the code or gone through a window

[@It-is-me...Melsie]

Right now I'm in my bed with coffee on a Sunday morning with coffee and listening to this. While my front door is locked my sliding door is open and my back door is open. I feel perfectly safe. There is more chance of something happening to me when I go out in my car later, as way of an accident. Or my own body turning on me, such as cancers. I don't think it's healthy to live in a state of fear and keep oneself entombed in. I understand it does depend on what kind of area you may live as to how much freedom you have.

[@jeffrey501green]

​@It-is-me...Melsie whatever trips your trigger....

[@madmarlowe1422]

My son goes to this college and lives on campus. This crime has broken our hearts and instilled fear in our community.

[@barneyronnie]

I think the perp was driven by a sexual motive, and didn't know that a male would be there. I'm sure that your son could whip the killer's ass!

[@lisasarn8239]

🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏

[@charliechurch5004]

Crimes like this really pissed me off senseless rage full attacks just because somebody can't control themselves evil disgusting person

[@Gypsy_Soul7]

@@sharonmorine5407 This is so reminiscent of many of the 70s & 80s serial killings 😰😪

[@missiris1234]

I am so sorry. College should be a wonderful experience

[@HeatherHolt]

When I was in college, my roommates and I never locked our doors. People would come and go as they pleased. even if I wasn’t home, friends would drop by and be there when I arrived home from school or work. Looking back, we were lucky something truly bad never happened. This is just awful. Those kids were so young. They had no clue the world was capable of this at that age.

[@5boysandamom]

@heather holt when my son was in college he lived in a house with other students and they never locked doors 😳. I would ask why and he said this is a nice neighborhood! I always felt uneasy and was glad when he graduated....

[@tje5553]

Different times now it seems

[@LizNeptune]

What a beautiful way to live.. we should all be able to live like this and it’s fkn sad we can’t!! When I was in barbados, it was a bit like this. Your friends chilling on the porch waiting for you to come home or pulling up and walking in. And when I was living in Delaware, I had this relationship with my neighbors.. just open the door and walk in. My door was unlocked like 80% of the time. This is SAD.

[@recuerdos2457]

We never lock our entrance door but we lock our bedroom doors when we go to sleep

[@dgarzaart2000]

I grew up in a policeman's house. My father made us learn to be careful and be aware of our surroundings, trust our gut instincts and for goodness sake lock your doors. My friends made fun of me for locking my doors, I didn't give a s***!

[@mommyharris1111]

Dr.Grande I have felt since the beginning that this was committed by a active serial killer. It may never be solved. So sad.

[@paddymcp90]

Serial killers don’t exist anymore. Technology everywhere. The perpetuators will be caught soon imo

[@sophg685]

Don’t exist anymore? We wish!

[@james_t_kirk]

@@paddymcp90 *The "West Mesa Bone Collector" is still at large, along with a number of others.*

[@SpitefulAZ]

Can't wait to see what name the news gives him and see the news when they are apprehended!

[@SpitefulAZ]

@@paddymcp90 there are too many unsolved murders for that to be a true statement.

[@kgs2280]

I was in my 20s and living in Florida at the time of the Ted Bundy murders. It was horrific. The moment I heard of the Idaho murders I immediately thought of the similarities to the Ted Bundy murders, and I think your analysis is pretty spot on. I agree that this killer was someone who had an attraction to at least one of the girls, so, because of that, I don’t know if he will turn out to be a serial killer like Bundy, but I certainly wouldn’t rule out the possibility.

[@craigblack7076]

going in circles

[@kgs2280]

@@craigblack7076 Who? Or what?

[@stevewhitener4903]

Maybe he / perp was attracted to Ethan 🤔😮🤷🏻‍♂️🙄.

[@bibbedyboo3532]

Major difference is nobody was sexually assaulted, i doubt attraction of any amateur level was at play. I definately think this is a serial killer and the motive was revenge or it was a lone wolf start up.

[@DragonByte95]

I attended university in Pullman, WA just across the border from Moscow. Both communities are small, tightly knit and largely considered safe. It's baffling and immensely saddening to comprehend what happened. As a Coug, my heart goes out to the families and the Vandals. Thanks for covering this, Dr. Grande.

[@ashyboo74]

I'm still living in Pullman (graduated from WSU too) and it's been so shocking to have something so horrible happen in a community that we a consider to be very safe. Everyone is very on-edge and a lot of University of Idaho students left for Thanksgiving break early out of fear. I certainly don't blame them

[@betterbee1304]

@@ashyboo74 yeah, I'm living in Moscow and the tense feeling is there no matter where you go. Even if it's broad daylight. Scary times.

[@jackidosen1791]

🐨🦘🇦🇺😊.Hi This is another BIZARRE case, I don't understand why the Le haven't got any idea 😕. They seem to be on the back foot in this case. Prayers for the families, friends 🙏 ❤. I hope there is a break 🙏 soon. Take 👍 care everyone. 🙏💚💛.

[@MadGunny]

I live right next to where this happened, about 10 houses over. It’s been an absolutely surreal and scary week. Makes me grateful I always walked my female friends home at night and how we’d joke that I was “keeping them safe.” Gonna be on edge until the person is caught.

[@Littlebabyandersen]

@@jackidosen1791​what about it makes it seem especially bizarre? I don’t think it’s necessarily accurate. to say law enforcement has no idea- we just don’t know what they know…

[@gg3596]

Your logic about the killer murdering until he found his target is brilliant. I had read that Kaylee was supposedly being stalked.

[@wulfsorenson8859]

Yes I heard this too. Apparently she’d become increasingly paranoid the last few weeks too as if she intuitively knew she was being watched.

[@Rose-oh4mc]

Kaylee or Madison were most likely the main target. After he killed them he might have come across Ethan who got out of bed because he heard something, he killed him, and then went for Xana who was most likely awake by that point, which would explain her having more defensive wounds than the other victims.

[@evonne315]

Agree that was on point. I think the stalker is the main concern.

[@evonne315]

@@cht2162 Its so wierd to think of passion that way but its accurate. Passion has an element of attachment, and were learning more about attachment wounds and how its so often confused with love but is more attuned to obsession. Perhaps the killer had attachment triggers and felt compelled to act on them.

[@macnchessplz]

Discovering the identity of who was stalking Kaylee would be a good idea. It can escalate, over time and the longer it continues the bolder they get (especially if they are getting away with it). It could lead to something like this. Anyone have any idea who Kaylee felt was watching her?

[@sarawilliams9025]

Rumor has it one of the roommates came upstairs that next morning, and found the sliding glass door into the kitchen open, and when she looked past the kitchen, she saw Ethan on the floor, and lots of blood. She called 911, ran out the open kitchen door screaming and crying, and drew attention from two people walking by. She then fainted, and one of the two passers by picked up her phone and told 911 she was unconscious, resulting in the unconscious person call going out to ems. I don’t have sources to verify this information, but it made sense to me, so thought I’d share. Take it with a grain of salt, though.

[@donaldvonglitchenberger4108]

Yeah that was debunked

[@sarawilliams9025]

@@donaldvonglitchenberger4108 was it? I can’t keep up. I try, though.

[@patrickmba7638]

Sounds plausible.

[@Crippin412]

@@donaldvonglitchenberger4108 do you have any links to this debunk.. I believe you just looking for more info on this case the surviving roommate 911 calls aspect makes them seem somewhat suspicious even though I don’t think they’d be personally capable of carrying out the murders unless all 4 victims were truly asleep and the “defensive wounds” were just an indication of someone’s reflex to being murdered in their sleep by raising their hands up to the area they were being attacked….

[@hothotheat3000]

The detail of the second floor being level with the ground was good to hear. I kept wondering what kind of killer would risk detection by entering on the bottom floor and going up to the second. In apartment buildings, break-ins tend to happen on lower floors because it’s easier to escape the scene. So they entered at ground level. Another thing: if they’d been stabbed multiple times, why would the 911 caller say that the person they found was unconscious? They didn’t see any blood or wounds? If you’re trying to wake someone up who is in bed, you wouldn’t whip off the covers to shake them? Once the covers come off, you’d see the blood. That detail is making me nuts.

[@christianhuertas329]

From one of the comments: Rumor has it one of the roommates came upstairs that next morning, and found the sliding glass door into the kitchen open, and when she looked past the kitchen, she saw Ethan on the floor, and lots of blood. She called 911, ran out the open kitchen door screaming and crying, and drew attention from two people walking by. She then fainted, and one of the two passers by picked up her phone and told 911 she was unconscious, resulting in the unconscious person call going out to ems. I don’t have sources to verify this information, but it made sense to me, so thought I’d share. Take it with a grain of salt, though.

[@RedHeadThriller10]

@@christianhuertas329 she was probably in shock and passed out as intended.

[@treasuretrovel3816]

All the floors had entrances and easy access to the entrances. Killer could have specifically been stalking the upper level, spying on the two blond victims through the windows that faced the woods (either for some time or just that night) and entered the top floor through unlocked sliding door to that unit or entered unlocked sliding door on floor below. Ethan's body was presumably found outside the bathroom on the second floor outside the room he was sleeping in with his girlfriend Xana. If true, it suggests that the killer encountered him by accident and killed him and then fought and killed Xana (she had the defensive wounds presumably) before leaving through the sliding door. In other words, although rumor and leaks at this point as to these details, there may be crime scene evidence that reveals that one or both roommates on the top floor were targeted and Ethan and Xana were at the wrong place at the wrong time. The targeted theory is what the police stated initially, without details, to calm the public. Although most people are speculating that the police have nothing and are bumbling the case, I think it is much more likely that they have everything and a definitive suspect under surveillance since week one. Taking their time to process the crime scene evidence and not letting the suspect know they have him IDed is clever strategy and letting him lay down a trail of coverup in the last couple of weeks will help the case. Unless it is a very clever and cunning murderer who has been planning for some time, there will be an obvious digital and physical trail of evidence that even an inexperienced police department can follow easily.

[@waynejohnson1786]

@@christianhuertas329 I remember hearing about the 911 call being placed from one of the roommates cellphones by someone who wasn’t one of the roommates. Which confused me but I think your comment clears up any confusion around the unconscious person and why the caller was using the roommates phone. I think that rumour must be true if what I heard about the call is also true.

[@betterbee1304]

Because of your videos, I knew about the chi Omega murders, thank you for bringing the issue to light. It's been a scary time in the town and the campus is a ghost town. Thanks Dr. Grande. I really, really appreciate you doing this for Moscow, since the information has been slow to come out. I hope we get answers for the families soon. 💔

[@Gypsy_Soul7]

Yes, I was “glad” to see that the Chi Omega murders were addressed here, as this case has some similarities & explains a lot of the “what ifs.”

[@erockromulan9329]

I just moved from there. I lived just blocks away from where the murders happened. It's weird seeing my old dog walking routes on the news. My heart goes out to the families of these kids. They had so much ahead of them.

[@benjamindover4337]

So you admit you were in the area of the crime?

[@Gabriellakittywitch]

@@benjamindover4337 lol

[@benjamindover4337]

@@sharonmorine5407 ah, so you probably knew that area really well. Maybe well enough to find your way to the sorority house in the dark? Hypothetically speaking of course.

[@Chilakkuma]

Someone I follow said he goes to the same college and lives very close by. No one is daring to really leave their homes because they're all so frightened. 🥲

[@benjamindover4337]

@@Chilakkuma Interesting. And can anyone verify his whereabouts at the time of the murders?

[@geniebeanie6988]

My ex and good friend lived in this house during their time at U of I. This story hits home for so many reasons and has all of us Idahoans on edge.

[@solomonstello]

Oomf. 😳

[@franniebear777]

Oh geez, that definitely has to hit in an extra strange way :(

[@valleygirl2530]

I think the murders have the entire country’s attention, maybe Canada’s too. The only upside might be the addition of increased security and safety measures for young people (especially females) and college students not living at home.

[@samantha03d92]

Dr Grande, I went to college for psych undergrad and grad school. You actually remind me of my advisor. You are so professional, so insightful, intelligent, and informative. I really hope they catch this person and consult with doctors like you. There are just no words. Really none, I’m at a loss… Young beautiful lives that deserved to live 60-80 more years! Pray for these parents. 🙏🏼

[@Angie...795]

I'm in Spokane Washington this is to close to home I can't imagine the fear of everyone in Idaho, the parents and friends. The fact that the killer is still out there is scary. How does 1 person do this to 4 ppl that is crazy. Thank you for covering this!

[@Thatsswell-hr9ev]

Xana put up a fight with her attacker. I'm thinking that the 2 blonde girls were asleep when the stabbing started so not much noise was made from them. Those 2 likely slept in separate bedrooms. It was a 6 bedroom house. If Xana put up a strong defense (she had a lot of defense wounds) then she probably witnessed her sleeping boyfriend get attacked. The killer was suddenly afraid of getting caught and took off leaving the last 2 roommates unharmed. That's how it looks to me.

[@coleytoons]

I am from Spokane but lived in the "country" (Garden Spring's area) and we hardly ever locked our doors, it was actually weird when anyone who lived in that stretch of road that I lived on did lock their doors. I don't necessarily miss Spokane but I do miss going to the Garland theater and the bottomless popcorn, I miss "Dick's Hamburgers", I miss the Bloomsday Run. I moved from there back in 1993. It was just...different.

[@wiseauserious8750]

Waking up into someone stabbing you is the most frightening thing I've ever heard

[@HeatMiserr]

I’m a student at u of i. Met Ethan at a few parties he seemed like a cool guy. They lived in the same building as me last year. Incredibly disturbing, the whole community is shook. More disturbing is the reaction from some students, not to go into to much detail.

[@KatMartin-si4pl]

It has happened alot. Richard Speck killed several women at a nursing school.....it is not impossible for 1 person to kill several people.

[@tflan90]

Literally just told my wife last night after the press conference, sounds eerily similar to who? You guessed it, Ted Bundy. Fantastic analysis, look forward to your thoughts in the future. Excellent video!!

[@purplefiggs]

Ted Bundy and Danny Rollins 😓

[@recuerdos2457]

Who is Ted bundy, what did he do??

[@tflan90]

@@recuerdos2457 Serial Killer who took the lives of 20-30+ back in the 70s, a group of which were living in a multi level sorority house.

[@tofu8688]

@@tflan90 Bundy was apprehended and convicted in 79'

[@diamondwchamp]

More of Danny Rolling!

[@monickalynn4365]

It's very much like the Gainesville Florida UF students who were slaughtered and mutilated in 1990.Went to school with one victim. Many similarities. These crimes are beyond horrific,can't imagine their pain,fear

[@softli]

love the background setup dr. grande 🥰 thank you always for such an in depth analysis

[@Erica-wz8yv]

I can’t stop thinking about this case. Very scary that the person that did it is still out there.

[@dawapfactor5882]

The culprit of these crimes would have been apprehended by now if they didn’t Easily blind into their surrounding and social environment.

[@netaZzz]

Still out there, maybe watching and reading this...

[@rigelb9025]

It may even have been one among those at the house. Just speculating.

[@BetaBuxDelux]

@@netaZzz Well that is a frightening thought.

[@aliajaz625]

@@rigelb9025 horrible speculation bruh the other people there were the two girls you’d think they’d be covered in blood? Pl us needing a ton of strength to kill 4 ppl including a guy. Did u even watch the video??

[@SamEsss]

Did you hear about the dog that was literally filleted alive 3 miles down the road 2 weeks before this happened? An older couple adopted a rescue miniature Australian shepherd who was 12, and spent 7 years of his poor life in a puppy mill before being rescued and adopted by this older couple. They let him out to pee on their very remote 10 acre property at night and later found he had been skinned alive, his entire pelt was removed and gone leaving only the fur on his face and paws. 2 weeks prior to the the same couple found a mutilated rabbit near their home, and it was mutilated in a similar fashion and I know this sounds gruesome but the owner of the home and dog said “it was cut open and you could see it’s brain. This was not done by some animal, this was deliberate.”. I absolutely believe these two events are linked.

[@evonne315]

What the literal F!!!!

[@Bzzzzzzzz535]

Agreed

[@ilovebigtrees4016]

You should call that into the tip hotline. Murderers also have been linked to animal cruelty.

[@bingonamo7520]

Yes, Jeffrey Dahmer started out mutilating animals, which is common with serial killers and other psychopaths. I assume the cops know about this story re the mutiliated dog?

[@mrdad-zl9zl]

@@ilovebigtrees4016 the police already know about this and released a statement about it

[@jayenaaliyah3128]

I hope justice is served soon! You see, there is a fundamental problem in how oblivious some individuals on recognizing how dangerous and unhealthy our society is becoming. No matter what your age, you need to always be diligent of everything you do in your daily life.

[@SpitefulAZ]

What if the killer was just a random guy passing thru and he's already in some random state 2000 miles away.

[@angelarich8455]

Good time to revise your home security

[@SpitefulAZ]

@@angelarich8455 we have no home security. 🤦‍♀️

[@nerd26373]

Seems like Dr Grande went all in this one. Whoever committed the crime deserves a hefty punishment.

[@dread1262]

I think they deserve doughnuts

[@stephanea5364]

Ya think?

[@Hellenicheavymetal]

2 years probation.

[@barneyronnie]

They deserve a hard dick weighing. Ex-cons will know what I mean!

[@tomjacobson7623]

Yes, he did. It will be interesting to see how accurate he was if the murders get solved.

[@amya6902]

If the calls are even related to the murders, I was thinking maybe someone they let in started acting creepy so she thought "I'll get my bf to handle this" before realizing it was actually a 911 situation.

[@t_nels]

There is word that within weeks there was animal skinnings. I am wondering if Kaylas dog was with Jack at the time. This has been very unclear and only hearsay this far.

[@animula6908]

It sounded like it was before the murderer arrived from what he says, like they were trying to pester their recluse friend into coming out to hang out with them, and they took turns calling hoping he would answer for one or the other. It’s so easy for me to imagine times I’ve done this with friends or had friends do this to me that it’s easy for me to imagine, and drives home how completely normal and fun things were going before someone came in and ended their lives. However I’m speculating as we all are at this point. It’s human nature to need answers at a time like this, but I don’t want any of our unfounded theories to affect the families or thwart justice later. I know mine is just me identifying with the victims, which is shockingly easy to do. ❤

[@Katie-vy5rd]

It'll be interesting to know if she left any messages...and betting ex is regretting not having been awake to take the call.

[@l-train7876]

@@Katie-vy5rd that’s assuming the attacker wasn’t the ex.

[@Katie-vy5rd]

@@l-train7876 yes

[@danscruz7353]

What creeps me out is that the killer could have entered the house before the residents got home and simply waited on the 3rd floor balcony until the time was right.

[@helpyourcattodrive]

What a horrible situation! Thank you for your analysis and point of view on this story, Grande. I get a lot from your videos every day. Much appreciation.

[@wulfsorenson8859]

There was a strangely similar case on August 13 2021 in Oregon, Maddison County. A man broke into the home of Travis Juetten and his wife and brutally stabbed them, killing Travis. The MO is identical and the perp was never discovered. Like the Idaho case the murders took place on the 13th around 3am. His wife said the killer wore a mask. Kaylee previousy said she’d been stalked and was paranoid someone had been watching her.

[@Bzzzzzzzz535]

That is so odd about the 13th Watts murders were Aug 13 Delphi murders were February 13 Evansville murders were the 13th as well but I can’t remember which month.

[@misterdinkly]

People forget that criminals can drive. This seems more random than people think

[@dextermoore278]

It sounds like a SATANIC killing. The murder happened on the 13th at 3 a.m.. the Witching Hour.

[@dextermoore278]

@@Bzzzzzzzz535 That's because 13 is a SATANIC number. Lots of murders are actually SATANIC rituals.

[@Aspect8_5_2]

@@misterdinkly disagree.... to go into a house that big would be at least 3 bedrooms... random? Then they would have to consider going into a house of 3 young men... that wouldn't be an easy match up if they were all awake ... the dude knew who was there to some extent and knew the house to some extent... the timing... OK...late at night must be alsep right! Right!? Well.... then they would have had some knowledge or were watching the house ...somebody was talking about a other person axtually there with the victims... in the house.. talking with them. And then everyone went to bed... and then said dude just went all out in the people that knew he was there... the other two downstairs were none the wiser... and so it wasn't a bother for him to go downstairs.... I dont know what to believe...but whoever it was had some knowledge of the house, who was inside, and what they were going to do.... it takes planning to do that and then just carry on going.... I'm guess he was injured during the 2 on 1 with the bloke and the girl.... then left as he may have been hurt.... I've also heard that the two girls downstairs did in fact hear something and (maybe even went to the same room together) and locked the door after hearing rummaging outside.... so.... its weird alright... but I don't think it was random...

[@cookieprof]

My first thought when I read the news of the crime was: Bundy. I read that the FBI is helping with the investigation.

[@betterbee1304]

I'm glad I'm not the only one to think that.

[@tppdc1495]

That just elevates the incompetence

[@vickiesnyder1568]

Love watching your analysis of crimes. Also, I’m about halfway through your new book and loving it. ❤️😊

[@Bronnybronny]

The killer was experienced in some way. Skilled in some way. Knew the layout of the house. Knew when they fell asleep. And was skilled and experienced enough to leave the house without leaving tracks. This was planned. And this person definitely took their time preparing for it….. I just have a feeling. Its is a crazy strike of luck to get out completely clean unless this was planned out for a long time. I believe this person is a serial-killer-TYPE of person. Insane.

[@treasuretrovel3816]

who said there were no tracks?

[@littlethuggie]

How many homicide cases have you worked?

[@nadiacusan3799]

speculation here, if the person was a party guy in the party house, he probably knew the layout of the house, it could be a friend of theirs too, I think the police know more and maybe do have a suspect, remember the delphi case no suspect until the end, and maybe they know who the person is but don't have enough evidence to get a warrant to arrest him

[@mwloos1]

The guy next door Inan Harsh is suspect. He said he’s been to the house before (he brought them a half opened bottle of wine in the past which is odd) he’s also a souse chef at a local restaurant so he probably has a chefs knife kit. They said he’s cleared but seems like too many clues to give up on him so quick. He’s also a loner and doesn’t socialize much. Has a criminal record as well.

[@musiccityfishing6712]

Nope

[@minkyfran8307]

I don’t think the murderer will turn out to be a random stranger , Just a hunch

[@synthiaofulster8388]

Yah. No s.a. so probably not a Rolling or Bundy type situation.

[@mr.kilroy6818]

Agreed' i bet they knew this creep!

[@BenState]

@@mr.kilroy6818 Very often they don't even know who's stalking them. Crazied individuals and flambount young people cross paths endly badly.

[@rockyevans1584]

@@BenState fiambount? What does that mean

[@BurroGirl]

Thank you for covering this right away Dr. G. Love when you get on current true crime and additionally this case is just so darn alarming.

[@kristinegloria]

Thank you for your level headed and well thought out explanation and analysis. I think you’re awesome ❤ Also the new background looks nice :)

[@sistagyal1]

1.23M followers?! Gon’ ahead, Dr. Grande! I don’t miss it videos. I’ve been following you since before 300K ☺️ Kudos from another mental health professional and teacher.

[@someoneout-there2165]

What has intrigued me about this case is the police saying no one else is at risk even though the killer is still out there. Like.. huh???

[@tracymarquez6875]

Exactly, unless the police believe or have evidence that it’s a crime of passion or violent scorned ex killer, why would they say that?

[@Nancy-nc4sw]

They have back tracked on that statement.

[@laurasutcliffe723]

Thank you Dr. Grande, for once again being a calm and rational source of information/opinions on this case. We are lucky to have you on KZbin. I live in Seattle, so I thought about Bundy and the sorority house murderers as well. 😞 My heart goes out to the victims, their families and friends. Praying that LE gets the person or people who did this.

[@velvetbees]

Dr. Grande, please do a video about the effect on individuals of living in towns with active serial killers. I feel sorry for the people in Moscow, Idaho and the surrounding area. This must be difficult for them. I experienced a brief time of living where a serial killer was active, and thankfully was caught. It is unnerving for the whole community, and I think it can have a lasting effect on people.

[@MissWitchiepoo]

You really hit the nail with what kind of person he is, what you said is what is said of him. Well done!!

[@gailkelly4651]

Hello Dr. Grande.... always nice to see you...❤️ This was so sad to see these young happy students get their lives ripped out from under them. So much potential to become successful people. I just see over the years how much violence has escalated. It so scary. Thank you Dr Grande for your analysis. I love watching you and listening to all your input. 🇺🇲🌹✨

[@charlieintheclouds]

How has violence escalated? Maybe reporting on violent crime has escalated, but the general trend for the US seems to be a decline in violent crime since the 1990s.

[@mopnem]

@@charlieintheclouds Always the straight male killing tho..take whatever from that you will.

[@grogsmashrock7240]

@@charlieintheclouds mass shootings have more than doubled since 2010

[@mwilson7842]

I lived through the serial killer Danny Rolling 's rampage over several days in Gainesville, Fl over 30 years ago. We lost five beautiful souls then. The Idaho case seemed similar to the Rolling case and I suspected a serial killer may be on the loose . I pray this is not the case.

[@jrzygurl]

I remember that...I can't believe tho that this day and age a serial killer could be on lose... I mean I lived in northern New Jersey during the Son of Sam and the blackout summer and I can't imagine if that was happening today he would have been caught immediately...u don't really hear bout serial killers nowadays ...this case is definitely weird

[@taramiller3236]

Two reasons there are less serial murders, DNA, security cameras!

[@louisal7185]

Bonjour, Docteur! With every new case , mostly tragic and horrifying, you analise and " speculate" i admire you personally as a exceptional psychologist, and your channel as one of the best on youTube. Bravo et bonne chance! 👍👏👏👏

[@physics4290]

I think the killer entered when the house was completely empty. I think Xana and Ethan got home first and were already dead, behind a locked bedroom door, when Dylan and Jordyn returned at 1am. That is why they didn't hear the attack. The killer then waited for more than an hour, likely on the third floor, for Madison and Kaylee to come home. That is why police believe one of them is the target. Xana's dad said they heard from her at midnight, and that she and Ethan were just hanging out at home. Police are being intentionally vague about Xana's and Ethan's movements after the frat party. I'm not convinced that Kaylee and Madison placed those calls to the ex-boyfriend.

[@victoriawalker5057]

They have to look into all their friends , brothers . Families . More than often it's someone close to home . So sad 😥

[@nataliesue2485]

Very frightening... I hope the survivors receive good trauma treatment. 😞

[@timewa851]

what trauma? they slept through it all.

[@michelleklotz2245]

@Joan In Floridathese two girls woke up and one calls 911 and then had friends come over come on these aren’t children I understand they might of panicked but you don’t call over friends when you have four people stabbed multiple times in your house. Wait for police to get there.

[@evonne315]

@@timewa851 what? Waking to that isnt potentially even more traumatic. Sometimes I forget how little people know or want to know about trauma.

[@mrdad-zl9zl]

@@michelleklotz2245 has this been proven? What is the source? Or is it a speculation?

[@misterdinkly]

When people see murdered people in the house, they stay in the house..as if the bad guy isnt still in the house. Gtfo of the house

[@katherineschriever2892]

Excellent commentary by Dr Grande. Best theories of the killer's motivation are along the lines of the rage filled doings of Bundy and also Dan Rollings in FL. A "nut with a Knife" did it, and will not be easy to catch.

[@brendamagic2223]

thank you Dr.Grande for this video and stay safe!🌲🌲🎅

[@korie4198]

As a native if Idaho, I remember how we used to never lock our doors, even at night. The last few years have been tragic with the Vallow/Daybell case and a few murders a year. The state has definitely changed with the population increase, which isn't unexpected, yet still disappointing.

[@misterdinkly]

Lock your door maybe? A properly secured house couldve prevented this nightmare. Silly to have locks and not use them. Takes a second to lock and unlock..are idaho residents lazier than national average?

[@korie4198]

@@misterdinkly We do now, but as a 80s kid, it wasn't a problem then. Everyone knew their neighbors and even if you moved you would still know people in that neighborhood too.

[@korie4198]

@@misterdinkly I saved a friend's house from burning down in Jr. I knocked and went in, no one was home but I smelled the smoke, took their cat to our house and called 911. Turned out to be an electric fire in the wall.

[@andrealmoseley6575]

@@misterdinkly no but it's so unusual you don't think to. My kids think I'm over the top for locking doors. But I'm from a big city.

[@ceinwenmoon8934]

On the contrary, Idahoans are some of the hardest workers around. Just look at ag crop production stats. People who have never lived somewhere with a true sense of community would never understand the inherent trust factor that comes with it. Like Korie I have watched our state change with the influx of people over the years and I can't say as I have seen much benefit come from it. There used to be a pickup truck with a sticker "Don't Californicate up Idaho"' and I couldn't agree more.

[@sayhello5377]

How awful for their families, especially right at the start of the holidays. 😫

[@scorch4299]

I feel bad for all the socially awkward guys on campus. Only 1 of the did it, but ya know theyre gonna ALL be treated like theyre the killer. =(

[@mariarey7534]

@@scorch4299What?🙄 I disagree with your comment,students won't treat badly any socially awkward students because they don't know yet who is the killer. Probably the killer is not a student but an older weirdo living close to the girls . I feel bad especially for the victim's families and friends,those are the ones who are really suffering,not the socially awkward students.

[@basswars7060]

I really appreciate Dr. Grande's video on this. Finally someone discussed it rationally without sensationalizing it.

[@MusgraveRitual]

Absolutely terrifying. You are probably spot on with both killer's profile and comparison to Florida crime. This was someone who was watching and seething for a long time and wanted to do maximum damage. I hope he is caught soon. Thanks for covering this; I haven't heard about it anywhere in the news. Poor families and that whole community. Madness and insanity.

[@Army4life82]

Such a heinous, deviant, & sadistic act of violences towards 4 college students! I hope whoever did this is catch soon!!!! 💔💔💔💔

[@automatoncollectives7237]

But not sexual. So the Ted Bundy reference is nonsense.

[@Army4life82]

@@automatoncollectives7237 I think it was a rage killing & Leo are way over there heads. Plus the crime scene was beyond contaminated because multiple friends showed up before the cops did .An you're right nothing to do with Ted Bundy don't know why he compare the two. Totally different cases

[@automatoncollectives7237]

@@Army4life82 I agree completely with you. This incident seemed too violent to not be personal.

[@Army4life82]

@@automatoncollectives7237 Exactly!! This was personal IMO

[@Army4life82]

@@automatoncollectives7237 Also what's up with the constant press conferences? An the medical examiner doing media interviews. That is so bizzare 2 me. Very weird

[@hmmmmm64]

When I was a student at university, sharing a house, I made sure I fitted double locks on all rooms!

[@dawnjohnston7024]

You are a Saint! Spreading the word of the crazy world we live in is saving lives! As a victim, I cannot thank you enough for protecting others. Crimes hurt whole communities, society for generations. Together we can help slow down evil. Stay safe ppl- support one another, be kind! Sending love to lovers and may the haters meet their maker sooner rather than later. Amen

[@michelekutner4229]

Thank Dr. Granda always love your channel

[@lisabenson]

Your profile of the Idaho perpetrator is quite good-- very detailed, especially his behavior during and shortly after the crime. Great analysis., as usual. Thank you.

[@katieejeann2139]

Thank you, Dr. Grande! I was waiting for your take on this. I have been following this case like crazy. It is always nice to have your expertise. Much love always! 💖

[@catherineberry6971]

Excellent analysis. Thank you.

[@scottsommers2068]

This is really good forensic analysis. It's the kind of thinking that makes clear how useful psychology can be.

[@1ofSevensisters]

This guy had to have left some DNA at the scene. There are experts in DNA analysis who have been working to solve old homicide cases using this method. It's almost impossible that the killer didn't leave behind some DNA evidence. This case will be solved using this method, it just takes a little more time. I do believe it will be solved. Such a tragic loss for their families. RIP

[@HeatherHolt]

Yeah especially with stabbing. You almost always Nick yourself when stabbing someone especially multiple people. Not to mention when someone’s fighting back. They can also do that dna regression or backwards dna thing where they go down the family tree and find potential suspects, like with the golden state killer I believe?

[@blazaybla22]

There is insane press attention on this case there’s zero chance they’re not looking at DNA lol

[@basketcase297]

The DNA (if any was left) may only be useful once they have the right suspect. Unless the perpetrators DNA is already on the system, so to speak, it’s in no way going to help “catch him”.

[@browniehendricks3726]

If it is somebody they know it might not be helpful

[@scottricci5063]

Unless the killer was supernatural.

[@andreasrau2161]

Happy Monday, Dr. Grande! More information came out about the murders in Moscow. The two surviving roommates were actually present in the house during the course of the murders, although sleeping in the basement while they occurred. Moreover, when they walk up, they thought one of the deceased roommates was "passed out" and couldn't be revived, which suggests that whoever killed the four covered up the bodies so that these two couldn't see that they had been stabbed. They also called other friends to come over and "help" before they called 911. This explains why the police found the door unlocked, because a number of other people had been there before they came, thanks to the surviving roommates. You yourself described their dwelling as a "party house," meaning it was always full of people coming and going and the FBI believes that the killer was "comfortable" with the layout, while the sister of one of the murdered girls stated on camera that the victim's boyfriend had been totally exonerated. I concur with your analysis that the killer was looking for someone specific and killing anyone else he found there, and this incident will whet his appetite for further bloodshed. And yes, it does resemble Bundy's Chi Omega murders in that the victims were asleep or going to sleep, unlike Richard Speck's murders of the eight student nurses some fifty years ago. As for the sex of the murderer, while it is a good presumption that it was a man, one shouldn't rule out a jealous female either. More information will undoubtedly be coming forth, especially since the FBI is working on the case.

[@reedriter2]

The fact that so many people were in that house, that could make any prosecution more difficult based on them leaving DNA behind at the scene.

[@clemintide]

Wait what if there was blood literally soaking through the exterior outside of their house, how would the surviving roommates not have been able to tell what happened to the “unconscious” person. I don’t understand this part

[@KatMartin-si4pl]

@@clemintide I think it was determined that the substance on the outside of the house was NOT blood, but heating oil leaking. It is dyed red. It looks like blood, but was not.

[@Flamsterette]

Paragraphs and better English are both good ideas here. "Walk up"? Do you know English? Hahahaha.

[@evelynwaugh4053]

Supposedly the house was on Zillow at the time of the murders, with information on the layout and photos.

[@brigittebowman9113]

Excellent analysis as usual, Dr Grande. Cheers. ✌

[@Lion_ofJudah]

It is pretty impossible to murder 4 poeple in a house with 6 people with a knife and not alarm the others, death by stabbing is long and extremely painfull and takes multiple stabs, the victims must scream alot before death, how can you kill 4 people one by one like this in a house of 6 and not alarm the others....it seems extremely strange...not to mention that after almost 3 weeks police have no suspect.... P.S. - in the house there was also a dog that belonged to one of the victims (the one who called her ex multiple times at 3 AM, the dog was found unharmed, maybe he knew the attacker if he didnt bark...

[@buttercatpaws9674]

Doc, this is an ancient demon. Even in this day and age, technology moving forward, there is evil working. Thanks for profiling with no fear. Love ya, as always 🐈🐾❤️

[@TheCherylish1]

as human beings we have the ability to make choices..Accountability

[@brittanysmith3716]

Thank you Dr. Grande for giving a profile and sharing your thoughts 🙏 I live in the Moscow area and I can confirm most of us are on edge. A lot of the students have left so it’s pretty empty here. If these crimes were planned, he picked the right time to do it. Because it normally does get somewhat empty around the holidays. So it wouldn’t look suspicious if he had left the state after his crimes. He would be smart to do that because the town is hot right now. Police are everywhere. I can’t believe this happened…our town has always been known for being a safe place. I hope they find him. Quick.

[@naynayntn990]

Everyone is in my prayers!

[@Jerz228]

Yeah he’s probably getting ready to have a thanksgiving dinner so the socially awkward feeling could be picked up by a parent! He will tell someone one day!

[@StianNorwaylive]

U are in danger...

[@dinogirrl1]

Thank you for including the comment that the police may be not be providing truthful information. I applaud your thoroughness and integrity.

[@Gypsy_Soul7]

Apart from the obvious of this being incredibly heartbreaking, tragic, and devastating, it’s also so disturbing, sickening & chilling. When I started reading about this crime the first thing that came to my mind was Ted Bundy & the Chi Omega sorority house murders, there are so many similarities. It also reminds me of the “Gainesville Ripper” murders at FSU back in 1990 😓. This being said…Dr. Grande, do you think that this could possibly be the “start” of a serial killer? I’m sure some of the residents of Moscow are wondering the same thing 😰. Praying for all of the family and friends affected by this horrific tragedy 🙏🏼🙏🏼

[@behaviorhandwritingrevealt3949]

No. This is not "baby serial killer" behavior. Serial killers have a history of Macdonald Triad, often have a history of being a peeping Tom, and murdering individuals one at a time before taking on several victims at once. While I am not involved in this case and have not reviewed any information or pictures from the crime scene, I can say that in all of my forensic psychology education and 35 years of studying psychopathology, I have not come across a serial killer that began their "career" killing multiple people within minutes of each other.

[@leannejordan4326]

It reminds me of the Gainesville Ripper. My husband was a college student living in Gainesville when the murders occurred, he remarked that the Idaho murders feel similar to Gainesville murders sans the SA.

[@davidmenke7552]

Has anyone else heard about the story about the dog that was found skinned, gutted and killed? Apparently happened 3 weeks prior to these murders, just a few miles away from Idaho University. I've seen the story and pics of dog/owners in several media outlets like Daily Mail and NY Post- not necessarily mainstream news. So I am not sure how reliable this story is. But it gives me shivers. FYI, the pics of the dog I'm referencing are when s/he was alive; no gruesome pics or anything.

[@jessicalatorraca8507]

That’s a hot lead. I hope they investigate it

[@Lisa_5591]

Yes!! I would tend to believe it is the same person in my opinion.

[@IgikoPop]

I feel it’s connected. Moscow normally doesn’t deal with stuff like that but now I’m convinced the public isn’t safe and a maniac is on the loose

[@AnneBoleyn-qg5pj]

I think that creep that killed them probably did that to that poor dog.

[@Shatara]

I think the same person is responsible. I also believe the killer has hunting skills and probably still has the knife. If so , I strongly question whether he was injured in the attacks.

[@cn1800]

Man this makes me think about how care free and vulnerable we all were back in college. I went to a college town a little larger than this. I’m sure no one there could have imagined this.

[@selmazopinion]

Thanks, Dr. G, I was waiting for your insights!

[@flyoverkid55]

I largely agree with your analysis, I was also considering some similarities with Bundy and others just yesterday. I will disagree with one point, that being most don't murder due to consequences. I believe that most of us don't murder due to many factors, and that those who do have no concern for consequences. Your assessment that the killer/s had no expectation of escaping is solid, the time spent and number of residents made his escape very unlikely. More murders go unsolved than any of us care to admit.

[@gailnovak2593]

Or he was so familiar with the house that he was prepared not to get caught

[@flyoverkid55]

@@gailnovak2593 True enough, but given that the killing was done with a knife, and that 6 people live in the house, I'm not convinced that the suspect/s crafted a detailed plan.

[@kaitlin6737]

I have been so invested in this ever since I heard about it. Probably because I grew up in a similar town with similar people that went to these big Universities living college life. Just so scary and sad.

[@ashalomelynne3534]

I too have been in deep thought and prayer regarding this event. I along with my family live in Idaho and that is in part while this has deeply effected. Many threads to weave together before a sense of safety can be recalibrated. God bless

[@DottieMinerva]

Me too and so many others as well. There’s nonstop discussions about it on twitter. Some people take it too far though and start publicly accusing people.

[@Alexa-nt6rr]

I haven’t been this horrified of a crime since the Shannan Watts case. What’s so surprising is that Ethan was murdered. These women killers are usually too afraid to kill men. I’m still baffled that the surviving roommates didn’t try and check on all the victims and called a friend over immediately instead of going to their rooms. This whole case is crazy. I think the fact both girls called the ex shows they might of been scared that night and wanted Jack to come over so they felt safer but he never answered. The amount of guilt he feels is probably enough to traumatize him for life. Prayers for all of them.

[@Vanessa-sv4ub]

So both girls had the same ex, shared the same guy one time or another. Yikes, but then again I guess thats common for the youth these days. I cant really be sure to believe that they were scared because both of their doors werent locked, probably just a drunk or tipsy call to the ex..

[@leanneswift2445]

Ain't that normal 😞 a friend of a friend ,or ex it's not abnormal that some friends have been out with the same person 😔😔 especially in rural areas as most know one another. Anyway what I'm trying to say is it ain't anything to write about as it's nothing big really 😊

[@leni0210]

@@Vanessa-sv4ub They didn't share one ex, Jack was Kaylee's ex. Police said she was calling him from her cell multiple times and after he didn't pick up she asked Maddie to call him from her phone so he wouldn't recognize Kaylee's number and maybe pick up this time. Please inform yourself before slut-shaming the victims next time, their families have been through enough.

[@ElleKBee]

I appreciate the video, well done Dr. Grande.

[@Zzyzzyx]

Moscow, Idaho is the nicest town. The people there are so kind, and it's a beautuful place. This is so sad.

[@misterdinkly]

Can criminals not drive in and out of the town?

[@nika-pt2pl]

I think they confirmed that Kaylee and Maddie were sleeping in the same bedroom that night. As for the lack of screaming or making any noise it's worth remembering that they were a little bit intoxicated and sleeping at that time so you would think they will be in state of shock by being brutally attacked like that. I'm not even sure some of them realised what is happening before passing away.

[@Lisa_5591]

I did not see that. Can you post a source?

[@othellewis8931]

I saw that too but i really think Kaylee and Maddie relationship might have been evolving. Probably why she broke up with the boyfriend. I really don't think those girls could have successfully went their different ways after graduation. They might have been pretending for their families.

[@lesmorris10]

Probably did the columbian neck tie on them..they couldn't holler..but still to disable 4 peeps..that's incredible..it doesn't add up..and two roommates a floor below? Crazy

[@blazaybla22]

@@othellewis8931 There’s reaches and then there’s this

[@erkaderka3571]

@@blazaybla22 A regular Stretch Armstrong

[@ameliaearhart666]

Have not even watched this yet, but the title jumped out at me because I immediately thought of Bundy when I heard this story and have been patiently waiting and observing to see when someone else would mention the parallels, if any. You’re the first I’ve seen.

[@jeanholmes7976]

Dr. Grande, thank you for your analysis and calm. May the victims Rest In Peace, and their families somehow have peace although nothing will ever be the same for them. This is too sad. ❤ from Jean

[@rejaneoliveira5019]

What a chilling case! This crime must have shook this community to the core. This is an utterly sad case and every parent worst nightmare. My heart goes out to the families. Thank you for the review, Dr. Grande.❤

[@critters16]

Appreciate your analysis, of this disturbing crime. Hope the perpetrator is caught soon. Prayers for the families and friends.

[@snk3017]

I keep coming back to this analysis and wondered how much dr grande is on point about so many things , even before his arrest , really brilliant

[@jbird4754]

It’s my first time back in a long time 🤷‍♀️😊 Nice crib Dr. Grande!

[@jdanisse]

This case is so sad and just strange. ETA: My heart goes out to the 2 surviving roommates.

[@MauiMauiMe]

Yes, survivor’s grief is unbearable.

[@jhazzronq8346]

They are the killers.

[@DottieMinerva]

@@jhazzronq8346 grow up and stop spreading misinformation and lies.

[@johnhawthorn5393]

They're probably the ones who did it. Or at very least allowed the attacker to gain entry i.e are involved

[@mariarey7534]

@@jhazzronq8346 They aren't,they have been cleared by the police. Stop ruining these girl's lives!😡👎

[@sayhello5377]

I remember hearing on one of those crime TV shows years ago (I think Criminal Minds) that some people get sexual gratification out of stabbing because it symbolizes penetration… So even if these poor girls were not actually sexually assaulted, their murderer very well could have gotten the same type of sexual gratification from stabbing them. That’s just absolutely horrifying to think about. 😫 And if this person is not caught, he will escalate. He’ll do it again but maybe next time he will sexually assault the person first. It’s just so awful!

[@malovina]

I heard the same thing with serial killer in Russia. He killed a lot of people. At times these ppl do it coz they have problems sexually as well.

[@Jilli8310]

Agreed! This was more than likely a sexually motivated crime like Dr. Grande explained. Just because there were no signs of sexual assault, it does not mean that was not the intention or that he did not try. I don't think he planned to find Ethan there, as he was only spending the night with his girlfriend. I think when he encountered the male in the home, that interfered with his fantasy. Just think about it. This is a home of 5 females. The two other roommates were darn lucky their rooms were on the bottom level sectioned off from the others. If their rooms were up on the 2nd and 3rd levels, they would not have been so lucky. Either one girl or multiple girls were the targets. I think this person knew only females lived there. They brought the murder weapon with them. This was a planned, targeted attack. I don't think it was a crime of passion or personal. The mayor and ME should not have made such comments, as they don't know, there is no way to tell this early in the investigation, especially if you are without a suspect and are not an investigator with key details. This was a sex crime and this perpetrator will commit another crime if not caught. Edit: spelling I also wanted to add that some people do not understand what "targeted" means in terms of an investigation. It does not necessarily mean the victims personally knew their killer. It doesn't even have to mean that the killer personally knew and interacted with the victims prior to the night of the murders. It could mean that the killer knew of them or watched them peripherally. It could mean that the house itself was the target for some reason. Targeted killing does not always equate to personal or passion. This is how people are coming up with rumors and fantastical speculations. I have been following the case due to my own background in Criminal Law and I am shocked at how the media and armchair detectives with zero experience are trying to push certain narratives while simultaneously criticizing LE. If you have zero criminal profiling experience or education, why on God's green earth are you doing a profile of a killer? Not to mention a crime scene you have not seen? Get real people! Asinine!🤣 Rant over.

[@nathanr4633]

The thing that really freaked me out about this is how many people I know that know them. I remember when the bodies were found, someone came into the room with a startled look on his face freaking out about how xana was on of the victims

[@helpyourcattodrive]

I’m relistening for the fourth time or so. Grande’s videos are very informative and calming.

[@brianmorger2174]

Dr. Grande once again " scoops " all leading news outlets for information. Great work, great analysis, Much appreciated.

[@eadweard.]

Can't imagine where he got the information from if not the news.

[@10191927]

Considering that there was basically an “open-door” policy with this party house, I would wager the killer was likely already inside the house while everyone was gone. It explains no forced entry, someone was lying in wait on the third floor, they knew the layout of the house and where each room was, that’s why the killings were so efficient. I’d also wager it’s someone they knew.

[@10191927]

@@sharonmorine5407 - There’s lots we still don’t know, but based on what happened, it seems a likely explanation.

[@Faristol7]

Marth: l would wager it was Kaylee's 'stalker' - whoever that was.

[@Faristol7]

@@sharonmorine5407 But WHO at the frat house? Another student?

[@Faristol7]

@@sharonmorine5407 You could be right, but l have a hard time believing that another STUDENT or one of the girls' friends could have done this....Mainly because it's so vicious and required a certain amount of physical strength and also 'trained' expertise in the handling of a professional-type knife. It seems to me that a friend of theirs would lack those skills and the amount of hatred it takes to summons up that kind of stamina... I think it was someone from the community there, but not a friend, a student or an ex. I have a mental picture of an older man - suppressed and alienated, with asn overriding sexual fantasy about pretty young girls. IDK 🤷

[@papercityvlogs4325]

They waited in the house or outside. They targeted the group - jealousy or perceived insult.

[@michelekurlan2580]

Dr. Grande Your analysis is BRILLIANT. Crime and law enforcement agencies need YOU as one of their "who done it" consultants...or,are you already involved... This was great. Bravo

[@sarahmckinneyrobinson]

Hey, Dr. Grande! Still avidly viewing your videos.💯 I had this exact thought when I saw these victims. Thank you for this video topic. It’s such a tragedy. 😔 On a lighter note, I love your new background! Not sure if you’re familiar with the show, but I got the old Nickelodeon show “Hey, Dude” theme song in my head when I first saw it. 😅🌵 Anyway, I hope the victims’ families can find some peace in time.

[@AnneBoleyn-qg5pj]

Excellent analysis as usual. I have been following this very closely and I was somewhat perplexed by the fact that there was no SA took place. Parts of this crime reminded me somewhat of the Gainesville Ripper and his MO. The other thing I thought was interesting is that the dog didn't bark causing me to wonder if it was someone he knew.

[@smashy_smasherton]

Someone was jilted or refused a phone number or something like that at the bar. An incel type, former student, knowledge of the party house. They had been drinking so maybe were sleeping soundly. A house like this, you might think a noise in the bedroom next to you was just noise/ sex after the bar.

[@HeatherHolt]

Very good points!

[@lawrencefrost9063]

Yeah and if someone is asleep and gets stabbed to the throat or heart or lungs, there might not be any sound. Just death..

[@misterdinkly]

Not just refused a number or rejected. This guy was more likely to have been humiliated or led on for a time.

[@lawrencefrost9063]

@@misterdinkly What makes you think that? You do realize there are people out there who do this sort of thing for FUN? They don't need a reason, let alone a good one.

[@misterdinkly]

Dummy, I am aware. Are you one of those types?

[@jkhtravelrn]

Ted Bundy attended college at the University of Idaho Law School in Moscow, The same one my mother worked in for 33 years. The same college these beautiful young people attended.

[@tonyrame7548]

The one big mistake the killer made is if they are caught, Idaho has the DEATH PENALTY which should be the sentence in this case with no appeals if the evidence is rock solid of guilt.