Does Vibration Therapy Improve Osteoporosis?

Clinton Rubin, Ph.D., Distinguished Professor at State University of New York and Margaret Martin, Physical Therapist discuss how low impact vibration can benefit your bone health, treat your osteoporosis and improve bone density and bone quality.
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00:00 How Does Low Impact Vibration At the Cell Level Improve Bone Density, Quality and Health?
31:20 How Do Low Impact Vibration Signals Transmit Through the Body?
39:30 What Exercise Creates 30 Hertz (Like Low Impact Vibration Platform)?
43:23 Should You Use Low Impact Vibration with Osteoporosis Medications?
44:48 Does Low Impact Vibration Help Patients with Fractures, Joint Replacements and Spinal Fusion?
49:36 Margaret's Comments and Thanks
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ABOUT CLINTON RUBIN
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Clinton T. Rubin, Ph.D., is a SUNY Distinguished Professor of Biomedical Engineering, and Director of the Center for Biotechnology at Stony Brook University in Stony Brook, New York. Rubin’s research is targeted towards understanding the cellular mechanisms responsible for the growth, healing, and homeostasis of bone, and how mechanical stimuli mediate these responses through the control of mesenchymal and hematopoietic stem cell differentiation and proliferation, to establish non-drug treatment strategies for osteoporosis, obesity and diabetes.
Dr. Rubin holds ~30 patents in the area of wound repair, stem cell regulation, and treatment of metabolic disease, and is a founder of Exogen, Juvent, Marodyne Medical, and Lahara Bio, which use physical signals to regulate biologic processes. He has published over 300 articles, has been cited ~33,000 times, with an H-index of 93. He is a fellow of AAAS, NAI, ASBMR, BMES and AIMBE. Dr. Rubin received his AB degree from Harvard, and his PhD from Bristol University, U.K.
Dr. Rubin is a world authority on vibration therapy and whole body vibration platforms and their affect on health.
Medical Disclaimer
All the information, content, and material presented in this video is for informational purposes only. It is not intended to serve as a substitute for the consultation, diagnosis, and/or medical treatment of a qualified physician or healthcare provider.

[@Thehungrytravelers]

Also interesting that vibration is good for muscles and bone, humming is good for the vagus nerve, and rebounding is good for the lymphatic system. Our bodies NEED this kind of movement!

[@garykos]

What is "rebounding" ?

[@Thehungrytravelers]

@@garykos Imagine the movement you make when bouncing on a small trampoline. In fact, many people use small indoor trampolines to rebound on.

[@generallee1967]

this is the video i saw your comment @BriJammin

[@generallee1967]

am the one with nerve damage that talked to you may God Bless you

[@Thehungrytravelers]

@@generallee1967 best of luck my friend

[@birsenulupinar7967]

I have been using low intensity vibrations last 2 years, my dexa numbers improved🙏🙏 it really works i moved from osteoporosis to osteopenia without using chemicals.

[@rockforester7908]

My brother & I have an aggressive form of arthritis that includes Osteo. He noticed many years ago after he ride his motorcycle he got some pain relief and just sort of felt better. Shortly after.he told me I found a notice about independent trials being run with a vibration macine improving people with arthritis. At that time about 25 yrs ago the machine used was nearly $4,000. - way out of our reach. I had always noticed that after I rode on the back with my dad or brother I felt better but thought I was imagining it maybe. Same result riding our large scooter. A reg sized larger type motorcycle is one huge vibration platform. The more we rode the better we felt. This is the first I’ve heard about this in 25 yrs. Thank you.

[@ChristinaHolly]

Wow!! That’s awesome

[@roadstar499]

Yes,i have a large v twin motorcycle feels great to ride...

[@kathypaaaina3953]

Aloha hugs 🤗 will they let me try out a Harley

[@karenwilliams978]

Does this mean sitting on the washing machine when we wash clothes would help?

[@radar5464]

I would just try a vibrating massage mat (like shiatsu) that you can lay on. Much cheaper 😃 15min 3x/week

[@gretchenhowspiritworks]

I've had horses most of my life and often would ride in the horse trailer with babies or others who needed comfort in transport, it was there I realized how good it felt to be vibrated!

[@gretchenhowspiritworks]

I use a vibrating machine each day, it is nice to hear why it makes me feel so much better! I'm age 71 with RA but still very active thank you

[@rundogrun297]

whta kind of machine is it?

[@hiddenpuzzles9925]

@@rundogrun297 I have a Vibra Fit machine. Only paid $150.00. Great investment.

[@bigestfan7]

What kind of vibration machine?

[@gretchenhowspiritworks]

@@bigestfan7 It is a Body Vibe International by V power- I've had it for at least 15 years and use it intermittently but this was an inspiration and it really helps my RA- so thank you for the effort to encourage me to use it routinely

[@sheilazippel]

Recently diagnosed with Osteoporosis. This information has been more helpful than anything two doctors have given me!! Thank you so very much!

[@lana6854]

Good information! Can I get this is it for sale?

[@brendakemp9060]

@@lana6854 what do you get?

[@alanathompson542]

I watched Margaret's interviews with Dr. Rubin so many times before buying mine. I was convinced it would work, the logic seemed so clear. But during the two years I used it daily I lost a significant amount of bone. Please pay attention to Margaret's caution that the LIV machine is a supplement only. I plan to give mine away.

[@jewelbrown1403]

I use the vibration machine everyday for 10 minutes. It works! I feel like I prep my body for the day.

[@LilliLamour]

I just purchased myself a machine, it will be here on Tuesday. I can't wait to give it a go.

[@karenoun8156]

You said it works, does it mean it improves your bone density? Thank you for sharing.

[@boostmobile9249]

Thanks SO MUCH FOR YOUR KNOWLEDGE 👍

[@lolaandriese9194]

WAUW VERY CLEARLY EXPLAINED THANK YOU MR. RUBIN

[@chrisruss9861]

Thanks for the useful information.

[@olinayoung6287]

Thank you, excellent video.

[@margaretmartinpt]

Glad it was helpful!

[@user-qj2wt5cs6p]

Nice topic And beautifully expressed by Respected Sir, Clinton Rubin!!! Loved/ Liked it!!!🌿

[@sherris.2402]

Thanks..this was very helpful

[@margaretmartinpt]

Glad it was helpful!

[@traciglasgow1878]

Wonderful interview- I learned so much about my power plate

[@margaretmartinpt]

You are welcome

[@JTamilio]

Thank you for an incredibly informative dialog - excellent format and well done!

[@HollySmith-wo3rb]

That was so informative just the information that I was looking for. Many thanks

[@margaretmartinpt]

Glad it was helpful!

[@marlygordon9697]

Thank you so much..I'm glad came a cross your Video.I was diagnosed with Osteopenia also I have a vibration machine now I can use it.Thank you🙏🙏🙏⚘️

[@hclauranovelo6228]

Excelent. Thanks!!!

[@margaretmartinpt]

Thank you

[@PatB415]

Great interview! Thanks!

[@SonjaShindler]

Fantastic information. I’m dealing with osteoporosis and most interested in this.

[@Chitownhomestead]

This was absolutely wonderful.. wish all my teachers taught in this manner ❤

[@jstratten5326]

I often can’t listen to most videos if folks speak slowly. I stayed with every moment and every word, and very much appreciated his expertise, and to my surprise his concise cadence.

[@gunnarannaburling437]

Thank you very much for sharing this outstanding video. I am appreciative and have shared this with others. Thank you!

[@margaretmartinpt]

You're very welcome!

[@MS-to1st]

Thank you for your informative video, I have a vibration plate which has been lying idle after Covid, will definitely start using 🙏

[@urszulab8397]

Interesting will watch it later, Thank you so much 🙏👍

[@margaretmartinpt]

Hope you like it!

[@Chitownhomestead]

​@@margaretmartinpt I loved it!! I love my vibration plate

[@susankovacs8678]

This is very valuable information on so many levels. Thank you for saving my life.

[@bonniepoole1095]

Great vid! Thanks!

[@tobes911]

Great info! Thank you.

[@tobes911]

An ad at the beginning, one in the middle, and one at the end is sufficient! Otherwise, it's over kill.

[@denisf.1744]

I have to say this is a video of great importance that can be of great help to many with powerful pertinent information and wonderful breakthrough to amazing discovery Thank You For This Important Video 😇

[@elsagrace3893]

Wow! Professor, everything is clear. You’ve made it easy to understand.

[@margaretmartinpt]

Glad it was helpful!

[@missionimprobable5962]

Oh my gosh i wondered about something like this. When I was young and first learned about piezoelectricty if pressure on the bone deposited more bone.

[@rustybolts8953]

I think this also makes sense from the quantum mechanical view. Waves are always vibrating and every apparent thing is made of quantum waves. Apparent or perceived spin is also an effect of wave vibrations. So we all need to get our vibes right. Its much like music and often even is music. Merry Christmas its the 25rh of march and that's a good vibe to import.

[@genyoutube3828]

Thank you . Very interesting

[@margaretmartinpt]

Very welcome

[@cindysilver3988]

This was so interesting. Professor Rubin was so clear in his discussion of a complicated subject. He was very engaging.

[@margaretmartinpt]

I agree! Thank you.

[@candaceallender3555]

I have a vibration plate. I am a RN. I love mine. Very good information. Thank you!

[@margaretmartinpt]

You are so welcome!

[@californiadreaming567]

Which brand do you have. On Amazon the plates look like they are to high iny

[@egav2133]

What kind do you have?

[@lauralclinton6158]

I absolutely love my vibration plate. I found it at our local Sam's club. I let my cousin, he recently had knee replacement surgery. I asked him to give a try, he absolutely loves it and feels like he's had some better recovery since using it. Thank you for this video, it helped me give him enough information to even give it a try.

[@su....]

this was fascinating. thank you! just got diagnosed, surprisingly, with osteoporosis/osteopenia and doing my research. wish osteoporosis had been on my radar 20 years ago, besides it being an 'old woman's who doesn't exercise or eat right' condition!

[@florencekuribaija2969]

Iam thrilled for this form of therapy

[@helencook5414]

Fascinating, very well explained. Exciting information. Why is it not "out there " as a treatment. Older people often alone, do not want to or out walking, not into going to gym, unsure about executing exercises. This seems so much safer. 😮

[@colleenmorgan-hobbs1029]

I have Osteopenia and have been using a vibration platform since last August. I’m looking forward to my next Dexascan

[@TheRealThornRosa]

Dexascan only measures your bone's capacity to absorb xray as compared to a 35 y/o woman. It's meaningless in determining bone HEALTH.

[@andredarin8966]

Truly, Dr. Rubin is a distinguished man. What knowledge!

[@margaretmartinpt]

I agree. Thank you

[@andredarin8966]

@@margaretmartinpt I subscribed. I have a deep respect for the work physical therapists do--and you teach Tai Chi as well! That's a rare skill set. I have a question to ask you about the platform you review in another video. How can I get in touch with you? For what it's worth, I wonder if you realize the far-reaching implications of this video. It can save lives since women with osteoporosis, as someone put it, are one bad step away from a catastrophe.

[@teresabowers6275]

Interesting comment on tennis players' arms. It really shows how activity improves the body.

[@robyn3349]

So interesting. I am wondering if vibration has been studied in relation to dental implants or periodontal health.

[@ursularudman7008]

Thank you 😊 💓

[@margaretmartinpt]

Welcome!

[@patriciawai4791]

Hi Margaret, does it mean a vibration platform that is less than 30hz, the one I have is 14hz, would not be effective at all?

[@carolinesmercantile4290]

The ending bit reminded me that when my Dad had surgery on his neck to remove arthritis and enforce it with a metal plate, he did have a special rigid neck brace that would 'zap' that area daily for many months, before he went to a soft brace for a few more months. I never asked him what type of zap it transmitted, tho.

[@shelliemoore6422]

Very helpful info on being Straight Legged on the plates. Many sources have one exercizing in different variations- but it sounds like this is not good for osteoporosis remediation. Hopefully Yours, Shellie

[@gloriayoga]

Hi I had a detached retina a few years ago. Would this device increase my risk of another?

[@mitzi605]

Excellent

[@shereeherring874]

I'm 62, i am using on bought off Amazon. On day 10. I can say my leg, lower back pain is less. I went on utube and they do have some exercises on the vibration plate. I have made up my own route . Stretching on it to help also with balance. I have notice besides less pain. My energy is increasing and not as hungry as 8 was. I start two day's first week, 3 da6s next weeks on low no longer than 10 mins. My muscles did hurt the first week.

[@andelaiki]

Thank you, great information, my question is whether this would affect a pacemaker?

[@trudyd.4169]

I think I read that you shouldn't use it with a pacemaker. Google it and check with your cardiologist.

[@mariannebeaton4223]

Thank you for this great information.

[@margaretmartinpt]

It was my pleasure. Glad you found it helpful.

[@JnTmarie]

I found this today before going to an Osteostrong appointment intro to vibration plate therapy. Wonder if the plate at home is as effective as the O’Neill see today.

[@Thehungrytravelers]

This is interesting. I hope I can get a response. I work in the ICU as a nurse… we have a lot of patients who are bed bound. Either they have been for a long time and most likely will never walk again or they are recovering from an illness or procedure and can’t walk for a while. I’m aware the longer they are bed bound, for whatever reason, the quicker there is muscle and bone atrophy. After listening to this interview regarding vibration therapy for osteoporosis, I’m curious about something the respiratory therapists do called CPT. This setting on our ICU beds allows the bed to vibrate for 5 - 10 minutes to help with secretion/mucous mobilization. Is it possible this vibration of the bed could help repair bone density? If so, this is something very easy we could do for all of our patients.

[@kathygann7632]

Great idea

[@andrewquin5365]

Thanks very interesting

[@shelliemoore6422]

Bri, Just a thought in reply about the bed CPT... as I understand it, for osteoporosis bone repair, gravity is important so to stand firmly on your feet is best...but I am sure anything is better than nothing- YES? bless you as you care for those in need.

[@Thehungrytravelers]

@@shelliemoore6422 ahh yes that’s true didn’t think about that piece!

[@noraluzcalugas2731]

Doctor Margaret Martin😊

[@andreaserna1]

Very informative video. I have been suffering from spinal stenosis and sciatica. After one week on the vibration platform I am greatly improved and now I understand why. I only have one question. Dr. Rubin sites comparative studies but he doesn't mention the length of the study. Months? Years?

[@simonedupre7169]

Great video! Thanks!!!! Toooooo many ads😢😢

[@marikacartwright2548]

Dear Dr & Mary ,is this safe with artificial joints ? MARIKA B from Sydney Australia am a fitness professional ,hormones play a huge role for women over the 50's plus 60's & beyond , Thank you for a gr3at description .

[@kathywillson7491]

Thank you so much for all this wonderful information. I have a vibrating machine and don't use it. I've just been on it for 10 minutes and feel so much better now I will definitely use it every day. 👍

[@margaretmartinpt]

Glad it was helpful!

[@SandraA535]

I use a vibration platform and it brought my body age back 15 years. I recommend it to anyone who wants to hear it.

[@dellfinniam324]

@@SandraA535 Mark, what do you mean by your statement, exactly ('...brought my body age back 15 years.')?

[@cybernurse2020]

@@SandraA535 Hi Mark. I'd love to hear more. (Assuming you don't work for one of these companies.) I suffer from chronic pain and have difficulty w weight bearing and exercise. Wondering if this might help me get a jump start on building some strength, as I've had a lot of wasting from inactivity. Anything you can share would be appreciated. Thanks.

[@1rocknroy]

@@cybernurse2020 Some gyms and spas have vibration plates you can rent for 30 minutes to see how it works for you.

[@karenl5861]

This is a very informative interview. I need some recommendations on specific platforms that performs at 30 hz.

[@rolandjacques649]

I don't see any yet that go that high. 30hz seems high to me. I wonder if he miss spoke?

[@jaynepower4330]

Read through the comments. Margaret posted a link to a device called Marodyne. I haven’t checked it out yet but plan to!

[@maryturner5872]

Thank you for this information. Am I right that you are doing another video on low intensity vibration and osteoporosis? If so please can you say when so that I make a note to watch it.

[@margaretmartinpt]

It will be released on February 6. Thanks.

[@carmenross1077]

So where do you do this low density vibration? Is this kinda like one of those electrical massager that vibrates,wondering. Is this also use for osteopenia?

[@mandybeddoes9112]

would you consider hypervibe G1O MINI A good consideration with 25 hz range for bones help very costly this machine sterling stands about £ 1200- upwards . your thought please

[@audreypistor4610]

Where would I get one of these impact vibration machines? Thank you so much for your good information.

[@margaretmartinpt]

Hello. Thank you. Please look at my video review of the Marodyne platform. melioguide.com/osteoporosis-exercise-equipment/marodyne-liv-review/

[@lynettamurdoch5443]

How about a vibrating bed?? I have the vibration plate also, but with both, I’m wondering what all the jiggling might be doing to my brain.

[@margaretmartinpt]

In this comprehensive video post, I interview Clinton Rubin, Ph.D., Distinguished Professor at State University of New York and discuss how low impact vibration can benefit your bone health, treat your osteoporosis, and improve bone density and bone quality.

[@ashapadil]

Which equipment is gud one

[@margaretmartinpt]

@@ashapadil Marodyne

[@cvaillancourt4803]

That was an excellent interview. Thank you sharing this information!!

[@cybernurse2020]

Thanks for this information and interview. I have osteoporosis and sarcopenia. Can you comment on impact on muscle as well? I'm unable to exercise much due to chronic pain, and struggle with weight loss and esp difficulty regaining lost lean muscle mass. Would like to know about any benefits on muscle as well. Thank you.

[@peggydid]

Can the Life Pro be turned to the lower vibrating frequency for the low frequency vibration?

[@ranjithpanangala7886]

Hi Margaret, can you find out whether the mechanical hip joints will wareout quicker on vibration plates?

[@lizziebordenaudio]

This is excellent information. Life changing in the same way I found out about dried prunes are to our bone mass. Thank you for sharing.

[@margaretmartinpt]

Glad it was helpful!

[@avrilf4252]

Hi I had read about prunes, when you say dried prunes do you mean just the regular ones you buy at the supermarket? thanks

[@lizziebordenaudio]

@@avrilf4252 Yes, regular prunes!

[@lizziebordenaudio]

@@avrilf4252 Google bone mass and prunes. There are medical studies that prove they increase bone mass.

[@elsagrace3893]

Anything with soluble fiber not just prunes.

[@hugomarquez3189]

Is it safe for disc degeneration/bulging discs? I know that WBV is bad for it, so how would this be safe, since it is a type of WBV?

[@mic374]

Best video!

[@unfoldinghere]

For max use of Marodyne- How many times pr day would you recommend?

[@etyodada]

Great information that applies to all. How/where can one get one of these low-frequency vibration devices? I have seen some "exercising platforms" yet none indicates their vibration frequencies. Thanks

[@margaretmartinpt]

Good question! You can contact Marodyne here: my-marodyne-liv.btt-health.com/

[@LindaRae.]

@@margaretmartinpt Since I jumped the gun on purchasing a vibration plate which I later learned has a 17hz max, before receiving and viewing this excellent video, can you answer whether or not there will be any benefits to using it?

[@deannewise3320]

I have a vibration plate. What is the optimum speed to use it at?. Are the variable speed programs better?

[@rosemarie9956]

Wow, loved this - gave me the feeling of being at a conference or in class back in the day. Great innovative information. I will have to look into getting a device that will deliver the output that Dr Rubin discusses. It is so true we need to somehow make a habit of exercising/moving as we age. So after checking it is difficult to find info on machines that indicate the Hertz that can be delivered as I want to make sure I am getting the 30 Hertz. Often they are only referring to speed levels. Any suggestions?

[@rundogrun297]

The only one I have found is a lady (PT) on BOb & Brad who has a machine for 5000.00

[@LadyBug1967]

At .y gym they have a Red Light machine that includes vibration. I've not used the vibration but I will now. Not sure of the level. Check it out😊

[@petercherepanov8967]

Hertz is speed = vibrations per second.

[@mercedesalvarez9270]

I would like to know if that low vibration could damage my eyes, my retines were detached some years ago and doctors told me to avoid impact exercises. If the vibration is felt on teeth, it means that eyes tissues are also being moved...

[@conniechan3280]

Thanks

[@margaretmartinpt]

Welcome

[@exit281]

which plate do you recommend ???

[@doraray9964]

Wow very interesting

[@sandrahottot4577]

Thank you Dr.Rubin and Margaret for this informative and fascinating discussion!! Do you have a recommendation for a quality machine to try for vibration therapy?

[@utubeiqbal]

I too like to know the answer to this inquiry. Please advise. Thank you

[@margaretmartinpt]

Hello. Yes. I suggest the Marodyne: melioguide.com/osteoporosis-exercise-equipment/marodyne-liv-review/

[@HEARTANDSOULOFMINE]

@@margaretmartinpt Cra-zee amount of money for a Marodyne! You have to be independently wealthy to afford to buy one. Only for the rich and famous.

[@betzib8021]

Great information...but how do you buy the correct vibration device?

[@margaretmartinpt]

Hello. Thank you. Please look at my video review of the Marodyne platform. melioguide.com/osteoporosis-exercise-equipment/marodyne-liv-review/

[@mineralwildlife8930]

Can you still do this vibration practice if your cushions between the spine bones have collapsed?

[@albertmarble]

Wish they’d talk about consumer available devices under £1,000! The device they talk about is way above that!

[@ciaomuffet]

Is there anything that can be done about cartilage? is there any way, apart from surgery (joint replacement) to restore it?

[@wildyarns1894]

Why is the Marodyne device so expensive? Really enjoyed this Webinar, great information!!!

[@phammond8155]

@wild yarns - I thought the same thing. $3k is way too expensive for something so basic. Yet it seems to be the only one that works according to Dr. Rubin who also is involved in the company that makes it according to Margaret.

[@wildyarns1894]

@@phammond8155 yes you are right, but here in Australia it costs over $5,000.00. Bad luck for us Aussies. :(

[@phammond8155]

@@wildyarns1894 I think there are other options. I'm looking for a vibration plate with 30hz capability. I watched a Power Plate youtube and she is "dialed" it to 30 hz and did exercises on it. The Marodyne is not the only cookie on the shelf and at 5K, it is waaaay out of reach for the vast majority of folks. Leave it to "academia" to be unrealistic. I didn't like the Dr. Rubin in an investor is this plate either.

[@florencekuribaija2969]

What is the alternative of the vibration plate especially those who cannot afford it from the least developing countries and would like to benefit from the therapy??

[@worshiparise]

Any indication that WBV plates can cause breast cancer metastasis?

[@lisannesmith65]

Can you use the LIV device if you have a metatarsal stress fracture?

[@curiousobserver97]

Would the vibration from a massager be OK for bone vibration?

[@sharonhaughee1277]

They have a machine at my gym (Planet Fitness), which they call Total Body Fitness, which has this exact item! I use it at least daily. Am so excited this is something I'm doing that can help. Thank you so much!

[@margaretmartinpt]

The only commercially available vibration platform that meets the specifications stated by Dr. Rubin is the Marodyne.

[@phammond8155]

@@margaretmartinpt A $3000 vibrating plate doesn't help a lot of people. Just a few folks have that kind of extra $$. Does Dr. Rubin own Marodyne??

[@magsterz123]

Of course, that doesn’t mean that the medical statements he is making about the range of frequencies that are effective are not accurate. But if in the course of this entire presentation it’s not acknowledged that he works for that company, that’s a bit concerning. I admit I have not watched the whole presentation yet to see whether the disclosure was made.

[@LB-sw2km]

I go there and use it too !!

[@ladybugwest909]

I have lifepro rumblex 4d. They say set it on pulsating motor at speed 15 and that is the 30hz.

[@lindaseibert3435]

how do the vibration plates affect the kidneys?

[@sueparker1412]

Just come across this on KZbin, Great information. I have a device that is 50/60 hz. Is that too high?

[@margaretmartinpt]

Yes, it is. Please read my article on vibration therapy: melioguide.com/osteoporosis-exercise-equipment/whole-body-vibration-therapy/

[@irenep811]

I just purchased a Lifepro Waver vibration device. Is this the right machine to use?

[@AllSectorsHearThis]

Can you sit on the vibration plate to stimulate the spine?

[@momofmanda]

Would a rebounder offer similar benefits?

[@candacekerr4139]

What machine is recommended?

[@lisagreenspan4996]

Can you please provide links for the peer reviewed articles?

[@margaretmartinpt]

I wrote an extensive post on this topic that includes references to the studies. melioguide.com/osteoporosis-exercise-equipment/whole-body-vibration-therapy/

[@user-px3kh6yx1k]

I have a total hip replacement. One dr. interviewed, Dr. Stuart Silverman, noted not to use the vibration machines with joint replacements?

[@margaretmartinpt]

In 2015 Dr. Rubin did a clinical trial with Dr. Doug Keil at Harvard University examining the effects of low magnitude mechanical stimulation to improve bone density in persons of advanced age (8). The research team recruited a group of frail elderly people between 75 and 95. The majority of the study candidates had rods, and a mixture of total knee and total hip replacements. The team found that there were no adverse events or loosening of rods during the use of the low intensity vibration platform. It is always a good idea to have a conversation with your physician or your orthopeadic surgeon if you have had a joint replacement or have plates or screws before engaging in LiV treatment. melioguide.com/osteoporosis-treatment/whole-body-vibration-therapy/

[@dianebakermason5535]

I am energized and excited. I am concerned that when i take this to my group (we already have the video) many people will respond by saying they won't need to exercise because all they have to do is stand on the plate. This SUPPLEMENTS exercise, correct? It does not REPLACE it. Correct? I spend a LOT of time convincing the members of my group to exercise daily "in a serious way" for reasons beyond the bone health issue. I want them to reduce fracture risk by increasing body strength (muscle) and balance - reduce falls etc., have better recovery. Also - very important! - most of the members are gravely depressed and frightened by their medical practitioners who tell them that they are "going to break a hip and die" and tell them that "exercise won't help" and insist only pharmaceutical intervention (which is problematic for many). From my experience, going from a sedentary lifestyle to an active one involving multiple workouts every day (yoga, then a walk, then later online dance, etc. etc.) takes one from feeling like a weak and damaged creature that is so frail that they could "break your leg just walking around" (as an ill-informed doctor once told me) to someone who feels strong, capable, and sturdy on one's feet. SO. The last thing I want to do is encourage people to "just stand on this thing and you don't have to exercise." Our members are generally older post-menopausal women with a multiplicity of medical factors affecting their bone health and a panoply of fracture histories. How can I give them this encouraging and extremely helpful information without having them think that they don't have to exercise after all? How can I make it clear that - if this is in fact the case - that low-intensity vibration therapy does NOT supplant daily exercise? By the way if you are curious, and want to "lurk" on the group (you are welcome to contribute as long as there's no promotion or advice-giving - we have other PTs as members, as well as other professionals) and it's an endless source of information, case histories, support, etc. here is the address. It's called Prolia Side Effects and Complaints and is an international discussion group that discusses FAR more than just issues with denosumab. Vibration therapy is one of them! facebook.com/groups/988541067970186.

[@margaretmartinpt]

Hi Diane. Thanks for your detailed comments. LiV does not (and cannot) replace exercise. It is a supplement to a well designed program, for those that are best suited to vibration therapy. For example, it has some effect on improving your balance but it cannot compete with balance exercises. It does not make you stronger and thereby give you the strength to catch yourself in case of a fall. It does not improve your posture. It does boost your cell activity (especially older folks) for building of bone. Next week's video (yes, there is one more) gets into this in more detail.

[@dianebakermason5535]

@@margaretmartinpt Fabulous. Exactly the answer I was looking for. I must thank you and Dr. Rubin very much for saving me from buying a product that could have done harm. Now I have to buy one that meets Dr. Rubin's parameters! I take it he has a platform - are you able to give me the product name? I understand you would NOT be promoting it. I am merely having trouble identifying on the internet which product is the one developed by Dr. Rubin. It's fine if you can't tell me.

[@sarahr2498]

@@margaretmartinpt MargRet, I’m walking like I’m on fire, eating a lot better, and reading your books! I’m currently having some mid thoracic back pain, along with my old injury L3/4 pain. I just omit what causes me discomfort, and do what I can? I also have a Dexa scan scheduled for this Tuesday. It is at a new facility, so I am told, I cannot compare this to all of my old ones. I am expecting bad news, as I can feel the changes in especially my back. I really don’t want to know the numbers, as I will not take Prolia or the bisphos. drugs. I want to have them on file to compare in a year, to see how I do with exercise and diet. Do you think the scans are just a waste if you have no intention to try the meds? Just wondering. I have learned so much from your YT channel and your books. Thank you.

[@margaretmartinpt]

@@sarahr2498 You should get the DEXA scan and review the data with your physician.

[@sarahr2498]

@@margaretmartinpt was done yesterday. She wasn’t shocked or alarmed by the numbers. Which we didn’t discuss. Seeing my internist Feb 5. This is a new machine for me, so I guess previous scans aren’t comparable? Regardless, I’d like PT in person for a few sessions if I can get it. I’ll see what he says. Thank you again

[@dianefield4656]

We're do I/ we acquire one of the. Machines that vibrate or buzz as you say???