DON'T CRASH | How To Pedal Through Corners Like A Pro | Chris Horner's Corner

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Chris Horner

Chris Horner

2 жыл бұрын

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@seniorcycling5352
@seniorcycling5352 2 жыл бұрын
This is a Horner’s Corner where we actually get to see Horner corner. 😄 great stuff
@ChrisHornerCycling
@ChrisHornerCycling 2 жыл бұрын
😂👍
@rockhopper01
@rockhopper01 2 жыл бұрын
I’ll probably never race a bike, but I still love this Horner’s Corner series. Awesome to see how pros get it done, and helpful to see what’s going on while watching a race.
@ChrisHornerCycling
@ChrisHornerCycling 2 жыл бұрын
👊👍 Happy to help.
@aldunne2001
@aldunne2001 2 жыл бұрын
i would like to see more of these technique oriented videos to help out us weekend warriors.
@GuitarguyRichard56
@GuitarguyRichard56 2 жыл бұрын
Agreed!
@ChrisHornerCycling
@ChrisHornerCycling 2 жыл бұрын
👊👍 coming
@01FozzyS
@01FozzyS 2 жыл бұрын
Love the instructionals,Chris. Hope you do more!
@ChrisHornerCycling
@ChrisHornerCycling 2 жыл бұрын
👊 More coming
@WNRoss
@WNRoss 2 жыл бұрын
Chris is a great commentator for all the races, and he's also a great teacher on these finer points on road racing. Excellent work!
@ChrisHornerCycling
@ChrisHornerCycling 2 жыл бұрын
👊👍
@benbarker95
@benbarker95 2 жыл бұрын
Love that RadioShack kit. Looking forward to your breakdown of the World Championships!
@ChrisHornerCycling
@ChrisHornerCycling 2 жыл бұрын
It’s coming. 👊👊
@thomashartmann5849
@thomashartmann5849 2 жыл бұрын
Horner's Corner is dope! in between the other formats exactly what we need and dont get in that combo. Great stuff
@ChrisHornerCycling
@ChrisHornerCycling 2 жыл бұрын
👊👍
@AdamJStoryDC
@AdamJStoryDC 2 жыл бұрын
Great information. I've just decided to "chill on the downhill" and go around corners at max 90% of what I think I can do. I would imagine that at the top level of the sport, if you're not first...you're last...so you must risk your skin and take each corner at 100%. Thank you for a great video Chris.
@williampringle1790
@williampringle1790 2 жыл бұрын
But, don’t forget - life is like a Grand Tour: to finish 1st, first you must finish! Right Chris? 😊
@ChrisHornerCycling
@ChrisHornerCycling 2 жыл бұрын
100% sound advise 👍
@mamilx6607
@mamilx6607 2 жыл бұрын
When I looked at the descending speed of pros, I’ve determined they are at about 150% max of what I want to do.
@mathewrose2951
@mathewrose2951 2 жыл бұрын
@@mamilx6607 Exactly. I live by Skyline Drive in Virginia and the whole national park area has a 30 mph speed limit. It's worth it to me to ride where there's that speed limit because I don't really enjoy going over 35 mph on a descent anyway.
@HarryFunmaker
@HarryFunmaker 2 жыл бұрын
I love these types of videos. What's better than getting tips from one of the best?
@ChrisHornerCycling
@ChrisHornerCycling 2 жыл бұрын
👍👊
@rodjonsson813
@rodjonsson813 2 жыл бұрын
When cornering hard on the road, you're maxing out the load on outside pedal + some on the seat. If you start pedaling (weighting the inside pedal), that causes the load distribution to shift and also the force distribution on the tire contact patch too, especially the rear. If you happen to be near adhesion limits, "unsmooth" changes will push to an overload and break traction. Too stiff bike and/or tire combos are a problem. A set-up that flexes some so you can feel it load/unload helps. Also, I found MTB cornering helps to get a better feel for the dynamics on road.
@ChrisHornerCycling
@ChrisHornerCycling 2 жыл бұрын
Yes. That’s why ever pedal strokes has to be smooth. Any change in the body will affect the tire contact point pressure.
@ChrisHornerCycling
@ChrisHornerCycling 2 жыл бұрын
Lots of corner practice when on the MTB. 👍
@emilioaugusto8394
@emilioaugusto8394 2 жыл бұрын
Man... this jearsy is the pretiest ever on the peloton... Nice video Chris. Info directly from the pros...
@koreystephens
@koreystephens 2 жыл бұрын
Chris: “You have to not be scared…” Me: Yeah, man. You got me there.
@ChrisHornerCycling
@ChrisHornerCycling 2 жыл бұрын
That’s helps sooooo much. 👊👍
@xander0901
@xander0901 2 жыл бұрын
Really appreciate the detailed explanations! I think this was something I knew about instinctively, but it really helps to understand why this happens.
@bakarenejayto5615
@bakarenejayto5615 2 жыл бұрын
youre a hero man! the climbing and this cornering video helped a lot! Hope you make a video about bunch skills(shoulder bumps) especially at high speeds. Love the videos!
@aleepiazza7125
@aleepiazza7125 2 жыл бұрын
Great tutorial. I love how you recall pro racers to illustrate both the mistakes and proper way. As a non racer it will help me on group rides. I look forward to your next commentary gig. Peace
@ChrisHornerCycling
@ChrisHornerCycling 2 жыл бұрын
✌️
@fcbarniessoccer8952
@fcbarniessoccer8952 2 жыл бұрын
So True! First Century ride 15 years ago I took a right hand down hill corner, too fast, too high a cadence and had to run off into the woods about 15 yards before bouncing off a blue spruce. Luckily there was no curb and it only a handful of small spruce trees. You did not mention the impact of centrifugal force that catches many new riders by surprise even on flat corners. Great video, never truly understood the clipping the pedal lifted the tire!
@ChrisHornerCycling
@ChrisHornerCycling 2 жыл бұрын
Lifts that back wheel and then things get scary. 😳
@joecardon7077
@joecardon7077 Жыл бұрын
Good content! Thanks for sharing.
@coopaloopmex
@coopaloopmex 2 жыл бұрын
Thank God we have someone here on KZbin to teach us all things. Thanks Chris, you are always so informative!
@ChrisHornerCycling
@ChrisHornerCycling 2 жыл бұрын
👊👊
@keithburt7874
@keithburt7874 2 жыл бұрын
Great detail, in the era of toeclips my big lesson was not to "early apex" , I hit the corner close but too soon and lost contact every turn O/O°
@marmotsongs
@marmotsongs 2 жыл бұрын
Would love to see the same thing but on a fixie where you can’t stop pedaling for an instant in the turn.
@sgroadie6367
@sgroadie6367 2 жыл бұрын
Love this! Thanks Chris.
@ChrisHornerCycling
@ChrisHornerCycling 2 жыл бұрын
👊👍
@openwheelracing88
@openwheelracing88 2 жыл бұрын
This type of content is just as good as racing butterfly effect. Perhaps better! Thanks Chris.
@climberevan
@climberevan 2 жыл бұрын
CH on point with the sock height. No threat from the UCI with those! Thanks for the great videos.
@ChrisHornerCycling
@ChrisHornerCycling 2 жыл бұрын
😜👊👍
@recrevs963
@recrevs963 2 жыл бұрын
first off what a nice backdrop! i think you mentioned something about pedal positioning and tire pressure in the corners back in TdF stage 14 when Rusty Woods crashed. thanks for the video really enjoyed it and will try the techniques even though i do not race. hope to get your previews/post-race summary of the worlds and the italian classics coming up.
@ChrisHornerCycling
@ChrisHornerCycling 2 жыл бұрын
Bend is super nice this time of the year. We had fires though just a week or two a go and then it wasn’t so nice. 😬 Worlds should have be super this year. 👍
@jesuscruz836
@jesuscruz836 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for the Master Class
@abbeyf411
@abbeyf411 2 жыл бұрын
Damn I appreciate your content ! Thanks Chris !
@bigwave_dave8468
@bigwave_dave8468 2 жыл бұрын
Your video reminded me that long ago, before clipless pedals, Cinelli used to sell clipped track pedals/cleats that you would lock-in by reaching down and sliding a locking mechanism. We called them "suicide pedals". Same dynamics as road motorcycle tires except motos have lots more excess torque exiting the corners and hence you tend to square the apex more as the HP of the moto increases - small motos like 125 and 250 are a lot like bicycles where you need to carry more speed through the corners.
@ChrisHornerCycling
@ChrisHornerCycling 2 жыл бұрын
Yep. Can’t afford to lose speed on a small engine bike so you have travel around the corners more continuously but those big boys can accelerate from zero to hero in no time at all, so you can cut the corners short giving up speed but traveling less distance, then twist the throttle and you are back up to speed. 👍
@zoso73
@zoso73 2 жыл бұрын
Awesome. Now i'm going to watch you drop Nibali on the Angliru.
@johnsonchan5824
@johnsonchan5824 2 жыл бұрын
Hi Chris, could you do a video on the sprint technique? Ie. position on the bike, optimal gear, rpm etc. Your videos are always so helpful. thanks
@williampringle1790
@williampringle1790 2 жыл бұрын
How about a video that explains what the best thing to do when you’ve committed to the corner and the bike starts sliding on you. This happened to me a month ago on a ride when I hit a patch of gravel. The outcome was a broken collarbone, 2 broken ribs and punctured lung. I’m sure you’ve had to deal with a few of those in your career. 🙄. Seriously, I’d like to hear your take on it. Thanks always. 👍
@ChrisHornerCycling
@ChrisHornerCycling 2 жыл бұрын
I bring that up often in The🦋E videos when I see it during any of the races I will point it out and explain what the ride did wrong and what they did right. This topic might be hard to video because the risk is high if I perform the stunt myself. But let me think on it and see if we can do it on video without to much risk. 🤔👊👍
@williampringle1790
@williampringle1790 2 жыл бұрын
Chris, please, I wasn’t suggesting you sacrifice yourself for the sake of us idiots out here. Maybe use an illustration or something?
@amandajane8227
@amandajane8227 2 жыл бұрын
Those unexpected patches of gravel are lethal. Saw a guy slide out in front of me on one and like you he ended up with broken ribs.
@paolocastellano2771
@paolocastellano2771 2 жыл бұрын
Chris, I think what you are trying to say is that the RPM must be low enough to keep the drive line loaded to maintain the correct/balanced tire contact patch distribution the rider has entering the turn. Once the gear is too short or the cadence is too high, the weight is thrown forward putting more weight on the front tire increasing the contact patch on the front tire while simultaneously decreasing the contact patch on the rear tire. Less contact patch and weight over the rear tire combined with too much weight on the front tire and front end is what causes everything you are describing. Anybody can pedal through the corned like Sagan or Aliphilippe with the correct reflexes and weight distribution. I rode BMX as a kid and race cars and have learned a lot about tire contact patch from auto racing. It easily applies to road bikes as well...
@ChrisHornerCycling
@ChrisHornerCycling 2 жыл бұрын
Yep. Every move upsets the tire contact point. Smooth is key. 👍
@shmoejoe1
@shmoejoe1 2 жыл бұрын
That’s a sweet bike set up. I’d love to see a video about the bike. 👍🏻
@ChrisHornerCycling
@ChrisHornerCycling 2 жыл бұрын
👍👊
@tonoormusic
@tonoormusic 2 жыл бұрын
What a beautiful scenery
@ChrisHornerCycling
@ChrisHornerCycling 2 жыл бұрын
Beautiful up here. 👍
@Ryz414
@Ryz414 2 жыл бұрын
Love how your rocking the RadioShack kit.
@ChrisHornerCycling
@ChrisHornerCycling 2 жыл бұрын
😜👊
@gw4550
@gw4550 2 жыл бұрын
What a master class! How do we deserve this? Cheers Chris. You are the best 👌🏽
@ChrisHornerCycling
@ChrisHornerCycling 2 жыл бұрын
👊👍
@CycoWarriorx
@CycoWarriorx 2 жыл бұрын
Great explanation!!! I tried explaining the uneven pavement in the turn part to a guy before a Crit race (being helpful) and he gave me the dumb face. First time hitting that turn he drops his chain and almost causes a crash. Someone told me afterwards that he broke his derailleur too. 🤷🏽‍♂️… 😎🤜🏽🤛🏽
@ChrisHornerCycling
@ChrisHornerCycling 2 жыл бұрын
Yep. They always do it. And alway there is a crash to follow. 😬. But you tried. 👊👍
@cribbage1686
@cribbage1686 2 жыл бұрын
Another great video.
@ChrisHornerCycling
@ChrisHornerCycling 2 жыл бұрын
👍
@expressogino3971
@expressogino3971 2 жыл бұрын
Nice video Horner. I would like to see you do more technical riding content. Tips from a Pro.
@ChrisHornerCycling
@ChrisHornerCycling 2 жыл бұрын
That’s in the works. 👍👊
@la53tj
@la53tj 2 жыл бұрын
thank you...great info
@ChrisHornerCycling
@ChrisHornerCycling 2 жыл бұрын
👍
@paolocastellano343
@paolocastellano343 2 жыл бұрын
Great video! One thing I would like to add is that you make no mention of line through the turn. Even the line that Chris Horner took was the wrong line that turned in too soon and was on a deeper lean(smaller circle) that would limit the time to be able to rotate the crank arms(pedalling). I am a road cyclist but I was also a race car driver and a figure skater ranked 4th in the world. I can tell you that the best way to be able to pedal through a corner would be to practice on a familiar ride circuit where you ride all the time and you need to experiment with trying to turn in slightly later than you think is the last possible second to be able to make it. I recommend to do this at 60% or less(safer) initially... The more you figure out the geometry of how to maintain the smooth tire contact patch with the lean on a larger circle(while still pedalling), the more naturally you will feel it. Chris Horner makes it like Sagan can do this and mere mortals just can't. This is B.S..... Anybody who practices the awareness of lean angle vs being able to pedal all the way through the turn can be as good as Sagan or somebody like that.... One more big thing that is not mentioned here is HOW to lean. Every top tier professional rider except for Van deer Poel and maybe a couple of others have 100% improper lean mechanics especially when descending at high speeds... EVERYBODY who leans their knee into the turn ends up with a double lean where their head ends up leaning OUTSIDE of the circle... ==> This is WRONG!!!!!! These are not sport bikes where they lean down and touch their knee to the ground for balance... When 99.999% of these professional riders have this double lean it causes DRASTIC shifting of weight forwards and backwards as the double lean is pitching the lean into and out of the circle. This is very dangerous... In figure skating, a person riding on an edge leaning into the circle MUST lean their body in one piece. What I mean is this: Imagine a capital letter T... Imagine the riders shoulders are the top of the T and the head is directly in line with the part of the T that goes down to the line on the piece of paper where it is drawn. Now imagine the tie contact patch is exactly the same as where the bottom of the T where it touches the line on the piece of paper where it is drawn. I am saying this: 1. The rider MUST keep their knee in touching the upper frame rail and incrementally move the head towards the direction of the turn (ie to the right for a right hand turn out to the left for a left hand turn) 2. How quickly a rider MUST lean depends on the speed and geometry of the turn(ie the size of the circle) 3. It would be nice to know if the circle is one of increasing or decreasing radius. ==> increasing radius means the circle size/inscribed path is becoming a larger circle as the turn progresses, decreasing radius means the circle size is getting smaller as you progress through the turn.... When you drive your car on highway entrance and exit ramps you will definitely notice when you seem to be going around a curve at a set stable speed and all of a sudden you need to hit the brakes and the back end of the car starts wanting to come around(not good...) This is an example of a decreasing radius curve. Any good roads should be engineered with constant or increasing radius curves. Sometimes for whatever reason, they build the decreasing radius ones that cause accidents... Riders should always be analyzing every curve to know whether it is: 1. Constant radius 2. Increasing radius 3. Decreasing radius I can guarantee you the many of the crashes you see even like the one in the video are examples of decreasing radius curves. Riders are going along just fine at the limit of the certain size curve and then it tightens up(decreases in size) and they try to react upsetting the contact patch and there you have it.... A crash. I can guarantee you that 99.99999999% of the peloton NEVER considers ANY of these things. I would venture to guess the terrible crash of Biloki was a decreasing radius curve as well. The best way to be able to pedal through a curve is to know which type it is to know if you should even try or what level of lean and speed is possible. I ride carbos fiber road bikes with my son who is 11years old and there are many turns where we ride every day that I can pedal through no problem at much greater speeds than him because I know how far I can lean, I know how to lean and in what kinds of turns I can lean. Of there was a smart team director, they would analyze all the turns in a road race and identify which ones are actually or borderline decreasing radius turns. They should take their teams there and have them practice everything I have mentioned to become better bike handlers. From what I have seen on these videos of TDF and everything else and from the riders local to me, road bike racers have great endurance and race tactics but are severely lacking in even the most basic bike handling skills. If anybody has any questions please ask away.... One more exercise I would recommend to the average/nonprofessional rider would be this: while on a flat or descending a very minimal grade, have your pedals level and knees touching or close to the top frame rail, practice leaning the head ever so slightly to the right and then to the left...DO NOT make any conscious effort to turn the handle bars at all to aid in the turn dynamics(they will turn as much as they need to do to maintain balance as long as your not indiscriminately throwing your weight all over the place....) If you do this gently and gradually with a nice rhythm, you still feel when the tire contact patch is balanced and everything is super smooth. Once you can do this, you can try to be a little more aggressive... Remember, never lean your knee in like these professional riders do, it's wrong. Once you can do this with confidence and timing, try to lean your knee into the circle and see he ow much more difficult it is to have that same smooth, consistent weight transfer like you had when you used my centralized weight distribution leaning the head/body/contact patch in one piece like leaning the letter T from side to side where the T touches the line. The "Great"riders possess these skills and feel and theta why they are considered to be "Superior " riders... Food for thought...
@ChrisHornerCycling
@ChrisHornerCycling 2 жыл бұрын
Did you say any body can be as good as Peter Sagan. No matter how much practice most of the population in the entire world has they will still/never be able to do what Sagan does. His is pure born ability and tons of practice but no one gets there without being born with it. 😜🦋
@paolocastellano343
@paolocastellano343 2 жыл бұрын
@@ChrisHornerCycling yes Chris, but people can get closer than what you are leading them to believe. Did you read my analysis of cornering, how to lean/etc... What do you think? I am not a professional rider but I guarantee I could smoke most of the peloton on a high speed descent that does not take a lot of pedaling. I did a climbing camp in Georgia and went over 60 MPH on a $125.00 aluminum Fuji bike I bought off offer up with the $5.00 brake pads. Chris, can you answer me why pros lean their leg into the turn which usually makes their head lean out of the circle? What do you think about my T-lean analogy? Are you willing to try it out and report back to me?
@jamesunger8433
@jamesunger8433 2 жыл бұрын
Excellent tutorial Chris. Very analytical and methodical. I have a question about counter balance..for example if I'm grabbing a tight corner and I set myself up for the apex.... I'm not planning on pedalling through the corner.... so my inside pedal is going to be at the 0 degree position.....when I lean the bike into the corner what's your opinion about counter leaning ie leaning my body away from the corner so that more of my body weight is vertically over the contact point of the tires. I would only do this at the apex of the corner.... I'd obviously align my body with the centre of the top tube as I exit the corner. What's your opinion on this method? Thanks for the awesome tutorial and your Butterfly effect videos.
@TheOnlySgtRock
@TheOnlySgtRock 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks Chris.
@ChrisHornerCycling
@ChrisHornerCycling 2 жыл бұрын
👊👍
@garytilley3217
@garytilley3217 2 жыл бұрын
Love the sock height - Proper old school
@dcrunicycles
@dcrunicycles 2 жыл бұрын
Ok. You did it again. Giving us wannabees the good stuff. Thank you.
@ChrisHornerCycling
@ChrisHornerCycling 2 жыл бұрын
You got it. 👊👍
@chrisallen3860
@chrisallen3860 2 жыл бұрын
Are disc wheel manufactures looking into the high-speed wobbles that ostensibly appear after a rider hits an anomaly in the road on a relatively flat road surface (specifically in turns)? I’ve watched the crashes of Chloe Daggert and Alejandro Valverde , both on disc brake bikes ,experience front and rear wheel high speed wobbles respectively .It seems that the speed wobbles are brought on by the combination of hitting a road surface anomaly, applying pressure to the disc brake (which is small and offset relative to the ream)whilst in the turn .I would think that applying forces to just one side of a rotating wheel would also bring on an unstable pulling force to one side as well, especially when forces are applied close to the axle. If this is the case than applying pressure to both sides of the wheel whilst braking and placing braking pads as far from the axle as possible (preferably pads on the rim should solve this phenomenon)
@ChrisHornerCycling
@ChrisHornerCycling 2 жыл бұрын
I don’t know if they are. 🤔
@edmondkluts7437
@edmondkluts7437 2 жыл бұрын
top video!
@jacquesdemolay5171
@jacquesdemolay5171 2 жыл бұрын
Curious to know, What's your preferred crank arm length, and how much of a difference can that make when it comes to ground clearance?
@scottmcmillan1813
@scottmcmillan1813 2 жыл бұрын
Great advice Chris, you're one of the best....Maybe you should give this advice to Geraint Thomas, it would help him stay on his bike
@drummercpa72
@drummercpa72 2 жыл бұрын
Great tips! For me, I struggle with sharp tight turns on narrow bike paths. Forget about speed, I'm just trying to not rub my shoe on the front wheel. I usually unclip, but would like to gain the control to not need to. Any tips for that?
@ChrisHornerCycling
@ChrisHornerCycling 2 жыл бұрын
That’s a supper slow turn when you are having that issue. Best thing I could advise would be to have the ability to balance the bike better at no speed. That would get you used to where the front wheel and your shoe touch each other so you can avoid it from happening or get comfortable on the bike when it does happen. Practice at home on flat pedals (w/o straps or clips) until you can balance the bike in place without moving forward.
@janiser4711
@janiser4711 2 жыл бұрын
What I learnt: Don't use jerky power. Don't (be a) jerk (on) the bike! ≈ Don't be a knucklehead! Problem solved ;-)
@ChrisHornerCycling
@ChrisHornerCycling 2 жыл бұрын
More or less. 😜👊👍
@hiphopdan
@hiphopdan 2 жыл бұрын
Have you done or would you consider doing a video about life during a tour? Tavel between stages, team dinners / celebrations, sleeping arrangements etc? Im looking forward to the Championship too 🤘
@ChrisHornerCycling
@ChrisHornerCycling 2 жыл бұрын
👍
@franciscopontesvelasco4315
@franciscopontesvelasco4315 2 жыл бұрын
Sorry beforehand for making a request, I think it would be a good idea to make a video with a ranking of the best time trialers or best climbers when you were competing or the best general contenders or even talented guys that for whatever reason they didnt succeed. It goes without saying u can do the same thing with the current cyclists if u fancy. Thanks so much and sorry for being a pain in the a..
@pablorubiopascual2269
@pablorubiopascual2269 2 жыл бұрын
Chris: Could you take a look at the debate " Rim vs Disc Brake". Currently, all pro teams are using disc!! Why? Why do you still using Rim Brakes? Happy to see you. Un saludo, CAMPEÓN!!!
@ChrisHornerCycling
@ChrisHornerCycling 2 жыл бұрын
Normal brakes do not work good in the rain. For me I personally don’t care which I have on my bike because I’m not racing anymore. If I was racing in the rain I would absolutely prefer disc. In the dry I don’t care which I have on the bike but rim brakes are so much easier to change the wheels if you flat during the race. 👍
@slicksexy1
@slicksexy1 2 жыл бұрын
"Unbumpy" 😆 Love the cycling vocabulary 👍
@ChrisHornerCycling
@ChrisHornerCycling 2 жыл бұрын
Yep. My English has always needed some help. 😂👍
@slicksexy1
@slicksexy1 2 жыл бұрын
@@ChrisHornerCycling lol it's cool buddy It's better to have a slip of the tongue than to put the inside pedal down going around a corner like homie in the vid 😁 What a "knucklehead" thing to do lol
@yendoradon7836
@yendoradon7836 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks 😊
@ChrisHornerCycling
@ChrisHornerCycling 2 жыл бұрын
You got it 👍👊
@cyclepowered8799
@cyclepowered8799 2 жыл бұрын
Coming from racing Superbikes, counter steering is also a big part of cornering. Most riders don't know that in order for you to make that fast right turn you actually steer slightly to the left. It also gives you a slight head start to save a rear slide.
@ChrisHornerCycling
@ChrisHornerCycling 2 жыл бұрын
Super bikes slid the rear tire and spin it with engine force to shorten up the turn. We don’t have that possibility. 😜👍
@cyclepowered8799
@cyclepowered8799 2 жыл бұрын
@@ChrisHornerCycling Oh, I know that. I meant when you might hit a pebble or lightly touch a pedal in a corner. I wish I had the power to spin a rear wheel. haha kzbin.info/www/bejne/op21nJlnm9OBeq8
@saracen888
@saracen888 2 жыл бұрын
Superb
@ChrisHornerCycling
@ChrisHornerCycling 2 жыл бұрын
👊
@a.sarmiento5116
@a.sarmiento5116 2 жыл бұрын
When you brake on those fast corners do you do the continuous holding those brake handles or those short burst hold and release technique like the abs effect or is there no such thing. I just thought thats what modulation means. Though instinct would say the continuous holding the brake is the answer, which might lock and later cause slipping.
@ChrisHornerCycling
@ChrisHornerCycling 2 жыл бұрын
Continuous more often
@tonylo6013
@tonylo6013 2 жыл бұрын
Do you have several bikes with matching coloured jerseys? :) Thanks for the video. I tend to take easy around corners. crashing not worth the risk unless taken out by another rider.
@LDSouthSession
@LDSouthSession 2 жыл бұрын
Nice jersey mate.
@ChrisHornerCycling
@ChrisHornerCycling 2 жыл бұрын
😜👍
@argeelearner3978
@argeelearner3978 2 жыл бұрын
What about rim vs disk? is disk brakes a disadvantage for descending hills?
@ChrisHornerCycling
@ChrisHornerCycling 2 жыл бұрын
That’s a whole another video. 😜
@richardportelance7810
@richardportelance7810 2 жыл бұрын
Another great video Chris, thanks! One minor nomenclature thing that could be regional… you kept referring to the road surface as ‘concrete’. Back east, we refer to the road surface as pavement, vs. a house foundation which would be poured concrete. Thought that was interesting. Anyone else have some different regional descriptor for hard road surface?
@ChrisHornerCycling
@ChrisHornerCycling 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks. 🤔👍
@breathestrongcycling3672
@breathestrongcycling3672 2 жыл бұрын
Not regional but I grew up in NZ and there it was tarseal or bitumen. I also heard hotmix and chipseal when I lived in OZ. Here in Asia it's always just plain old concrete....just some useless information for your next trivial pursuit game 😁👍
@bluejeansonfire6
@bluejeansonfire6 9 күн бұрын
I like 'road surface' or 'pavement'. Riding around on a bunch of obvious asphalt, referring to it as 'concrete' like kleenex for tissues yielded a fully involuntary and audible "huh" out of me.
@eberger02
@eberger02 2 жыл бұрын
Do you, consciously or subconsciously, adjust your pedal stroke when cycling round corners? I’ve found on my Fixed Wheel bike (where I have to pedal through corners) I have learnt to not point my inside toes as much on a corner and wonder if in big races where you want to apply power much earlier do you also adjust this? Edited to add: it’s a fixed/Single-speed bike frame, not a conversion, so has a higher bottom bracket. Possibly this explains why it is my toes that catch not the pedal.
@ChrisHornerCycling
@ChrisHornerCycling 2 жыл бұрын
Subconsciously now. Probably from doing some many crits during my early years of racing.
@marklohnes6313
@marklohnes6313 2 жыл бұрын
And then there is the rainy slick corners!
@ChrisHornerCycling
@ChrisHornerCycling 2 жыл бұрын
That a whole other video. 😜😬👍
@rider65
@rider65 2 жыл бұрын
Lean angle is also a contributor to pedal strikes. Radii always determines speed. 👍 #SmoothEqualsFast - Keith Code
@JB-uv4hm
@JB-uv4hm 2 жыл бұрын
One word boss: countersteering. Not mentioned once and this from a motorcyclist to boot! Watch Sagan, wether he knows the principle involved or not, he is employing countersteering and traditional lean in steering methods in mixed ratios. The more countersteering you can employ, the more upright the bike is and you can stay on the pedals whilst keeping more patch on the pavement. Practice in parking lot w cones. USCF training camps in CS a long time ago :-)
@ChrisHornerCycling
@ChrisHornerCycling 2 жыл бұрын
There’s loads of more info about getting thru the corners. This one is just about pedaling smoothly to not upset the tire contact point.
@duncanvincent9106
@duncanvincent9106 2 жыл бұрын
Interesting… your seat is far forward! Oh great video BTW!!👍
@leduch
@leduch 2 жыл бұрын
use a fix wheel ! n njoy it !
@michaeldee697
@michaeldee697 2 жыл бұрын
Interesting choice of kit....
@ChrisHornerCycling
@ChrisHornerCycling 2 жыл бұрын
😜
@ArashFallah
@ArashFallah 2 жыл бұрын
Chirs, can you do a video on riding out of the saddle too? Considering you won the Vuelta out of the saddle, it would be very informative.
@ChrisHornerCycling
@ChrisHornerCycling 2 жыл бұрын
Yes. But here the strange thing about that. I’m really the only one that I have ever seen doing it for so much of the climb. Contador climbs a lot out of the saddle but still not the amount I do. I will do a video though and explain why I like it. 👊👊
@tinmachine693
@tinmachine693 2 жыл бұрын
Nice to see someone not wearing ridiculously long socks!!
@ChrisHornerCycling
@ChrisHornerCycling 2 жыл бұрын
Never. Except when it’s cold out. And even then they are not ridiculous length. Why add the weight and that crazy tan line. 👍👊
@jasonolivier5469
@jasonolivier5469 2 жыл бұрын
Chris, If I remember correctly, when Sagan crashed in this year's TDF, one of the announcers said something like "when he falls, he doesn't let go of the handlebars so he doesn't break his collar bone". Is this a valid tactic when you are going down?
@nycticorax5653
@nycticorax5653 2 жыл бұрын
I remember that and have wondered the same thing.
@ChrisHornerCycling
@ChrisHornerCycling 2 жыл бұрын
I have never tried that. To be fair though Sagan was holding the bars even after he hit the ground while sliding for ever. Which seemed strange to me. 🤷🏼‍♂️
@eberger02
@eberger02 2 жыл бұрын
@@ChrisHornerCycling I remember when I was ?11 at school we spent most of a whole PE (physical education) lesson at school learning how to fall so we could play rugby. You would never let go of the ball or put an arm out. The physical attributes of most cyclists and rugby players aren’t terribly similar, but I bet Sagan would be really good. Don’t know much about Slovakian Rugby though. Italy though is good and Ganna most likely has played it at school. Trying to recall if he’s crashed…
@charlesriley23
@charlesriley23 2 жыл бұрын
Is there a danger of clipping pedals dropping off the center of the cobbles of Paris Roubaix?
@rikbahnemann5879
@rikbahnemann5879 2 жыл бұрын
What about the center of gravity? Do you lean your knee out on alpine descents/switch backs? Weight on handlebar or saddle?
@ChrisHornerCycling
@ChrisHornerCycling 2 жыл бұрын
Yes. But that’s another video. This video was for Pedaling thru the corners correctly not about all the other possible topics there are to explain. Those will come in later videos. 👍
@rikbahnemann5879
@rikbahnemann5879 2 жыл бұрын
Looking forward. Thanks!
@sethmichael8188
@sethmichael8188 2 жыл бұрын
When you're riding at home everyone should be a little more daring if they take cycling seriously anyone can go fast straight. However these very detailed techniques are very important to having fun and going fast.
@HellaRandomVideos
@HellaRandomVideos 2 жыл бұрын
🦋
@jcervelli
@jcervelli 2 жыл бұрын
i prefer to be on the drops in a turn like that - i feel like it gets my center of gravity lower, more grip...no?
@ChrisHornerCycling
@ChrisHornerCycling 2 жыл бұрын
Absolutely if I was going faster. At this speed I didn’t need to drop lower. 😜👍👊
@curlisdave
@curlisdave 2 жыл бұрын
Wish I'd watched this before losing skin in a crash while cornering!😖
@ChrisHornerCycling
@ChrisHornerCycling 2 жыл бұрын
Better late them never. And now hopefully you can avoid a second crash. 👍👊
@benvowles1563
@benvowles1563 2 жыл бұрын
bar tape twins
@ChrisHornerCycling
@ChrisHornerCycling 2 жыл бұрын
😜😂👊
@kevinderung8524
@kevinderung8524 2 жыл бұрын
that kit reminded me...you should do a collaboration with Lance and George
@ChrisHornerCycling
@ChrisHornerCycling 2 жыл бұрын
The Shack 😜
@WanderingSword
@WanderingSword 2 жыл бұрын
What size is that Specialized, Chris?
@ChrisHornerCycling
@ChrisHornerCycling 2 жыл бұрын
56cm
@ShawnStradamus520
@ShawnStradamus520 2 жыл бұрын
The eternal question of racing cyclists, “How fast can I go around that turn?” Eventually finds the answer to be, “Not THAT fast!”
@ChrisHornerCycling
@ChrisHornerCycling 2 жыл бұрын
True that. 😜👊
@sonynut1
@sonynut1 2 жыл бұрын
With the Mike woods butt hover almost amazing he stays mostly on his bike.
@ChrisHornerCycling
@ChrisHornerCycling 2 жыл бұрын
He falls down often. 😬👍
@scottf3456
@scottf3456 2 жыл бұрын
Lets see some training vids
@ChrisHornerCycling
@ChrisHornerCycling 2 жыл бұрын
I’m trying. 👍
@matthoffman6024
@matthoffman6024 2 жыл бұрын
👍
@ChrisHornerCycling
@ChrisHornerCycling 2 жыл бұрын
👍👊
@snafujag100
@snafujag100 2 жыл бұрын
Hey, that concrete is tarmac😂😂😂✌️
@ChrisHornerCycling
@ChrisHornerCycling 2 жыл бұрын
😂👊👊
@mvaughan3546
@mvaughan3546 2 жыл бұрын
aka asphalt…
@snafujag100
@snafujag100 2 жыл бұрын
@@mvaughan3546 😂😂😂
@koreystephens
@koreystephens 2 жыл бұрын
Damn, that Sivakov vid gives me the heebie-jeebies.
@ChrisHornerCycling
@ChrisHornerCycling 2 жыл бұрын
😬
@maddydaddy3523
@maddydaddy3523 2 жыл бұрын
LETS GOOO ( i suck at this)
@ChrisHornerCycling
@ChrisHornerCycling 2 жыл бұрын
👊👍
@ralvesco
@ralvesco 2 жыл бұрын
🤩🤩🤩🤩🤩
@ChrisHornerCycling
@ChrisHornerCycling 2 жыл бұрын
👍👍
@TheHyperspace2000
@TheHyperspace2000 2 жыл бұрын
60“ of content spread out to 11‘16…. Moreover, the tarmac where you filmed is made of asphalt, not concrete. Big difference when it comes to friction between tires and road surface.
@george.carlin
@george.carlin 2 жыл бұрын
he also hit his head. The helmet did its job.
@ThisIsANameBruh
@ThisIsANameBruh 2 жыл бұрын
WHAT ARE YOU DOING RIDING A RIM BRAKE SL6?!?! Put it behind bulletproof glass. In a few years it'll be worth more than your house. Bloody rare specimen if I've ever seen one.
@gnomevoyeur
@gnomevoyeur 2 жыл бұрын
I’m guessing from the gnarliness of your knees, you have a huge amount of hard won experience from lying on the ground before you got this exactly right.
@ChrisHornerCycling
@ChrisHornerCycling 2 жыл бұрын
They do have some scares. But the knees always take the hit in a crash. It has been a long time (decades maybe) since I actually crashed myself though. Unless we are taking about the dirt bikes, in that case it was a few days ago. 😜😬
@super9super9super
@super9super9super 2 жыл бұрын
We found the 5 people who keep clipping their pedals
@aageseljegard8730
@aageseljegard8730 2 жыл бұрын
“Greg Van Avermaet is a sprinter, right?”… actually Chris, no he’s not… 😅
@paolocastellano2771
@paolocastellano2771 2 жыл бұрын
One other comment I would like to address is that 99% of the pro peloton take the wrong line descending. They all turn in too soon and do not take the largest circle around the curve which with all other things being equal, requires the least amount of traction for a given speed to hold the line. This means greater speed for the maximum amount of traction that is available. In a car around a racetrack with plenty of grass runoff, is very easy to see and feel this. If you make a mistake, you just slide in the grass, no big deal.... On a bike that's you ass....l think that pro l riders would greatly benefit from a track day like this in a car...
@ChrisHornerCycling
@ChrisHornerCycling 2 жыл бұрын
Couldn’t hurt. 😜
@alainpryt9641
@alainpryt9641 2 жыл бұрын
👏👏👍🇫🇷🚴🏻‍♂️
@ChrisHornerCycling
@ChrisHornerCycling 2 жыл бұрын
👊👍
@guitawrizt
@guitawrizt 2 жыл бұрын
*_Reporting from God's Country._*
@ChrisHornerCycling
@ChrisHornerCycling 2 жыл бұрын
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