Don't Get Got Review - Mission Impossible with Mates

[@gee3161]

Is... is this video review part of the game..?

[@DoktorRossie]

it probably is! HA you got got!

[@robertdascoli949]

Arrruuggggggg

[@diegovaz1759]

Ultimate task complete

[@andrewmartin3671]

But did he look inside the hat?

[@jaxelt1]

I mean, at that point it's as simple as grinning at him and going "look inside the hat," and unless he's quick-witted enough to immediately say "is this part of the game?" and not just assume he's already been got (which he isn't, he's drunk), then you've got him.

[@NinjaWatermelon42]

I thought that was going to be the gag at the end, that he had brushed over it as if it was complete but ultimately was foiled at the last minute...

[@NahrAlma]

@@jaxelt1 The obvious thing to say would be "is this about the game?" while you remove the hat to look into it. In my mind Quinns cheated and actually failed the mission.

[@bobthesnotling8647]

@@NahrAlma you don't know that for certain as he does not mention whether he looked inside or not

[@1865Highst]

Damn. That is the question. I totally forgot about that.

[@gqsnowman]

How did you get Steve Austin to record that outro doing a bad The Rock impression? That's a good get!

[@MisterZero71]

I was thinking the same thing.

[@Electroporcupine]

If Stone Cold does a Rock impression, does that make him a Cold Rock?

[@Tasarran]

That was clearly supposed to be Andre the Giant.

[@kmc2090]

When I first heard about this game, I thought it sounded a lot like a game my old boss played at Uni in the 80's called Killer: The Game of Assassination by Steve Jackson.This one sounds like its a lot safer mind, since my boss said back at uni they had cases of of drunken students climbing drainpipes to take out there targets.

[@Da_maul]

I'd play this game but I barely leave the house, lol

[@peterclarke7240]

I was wondering about the whole asking "is this for the game?" thing. On the surface, it looks like the easiest way to break the game, but the whole point of the game is to be more cunning than your opponents. In Quinn's example, he misdirects Chris and never overtly refers to the task, so even if Chris pointed at the hat and said "is this for the game," Quinn could honestly say "no" because the hat isn't the mission. The mission is getting Chris to put the hat on. I can see this being a brilliant game to play at work (assuming you've a few colleagues who're up for it). You start on Monday and then set an end date, like a week. There's no way anyone would be able to keep their guard up long enough, and you could get completely elaborate with setting people up. And here's the best bit about that- you don't announce you've completed the task until the end of the game itself. You point to a colleague and say "remember on tuesday when you did xyz? Well, that was for the game." at which point you show them the card. Person with the most completed missions wins.

[@BrianGreigRWD]

I love those little die cast wrestlers.

[@monsieurorleans1329]

10:41 that’s the rock

[@HarryBuddhaPalm]

That's The Rock, not Stone Cold Steve Austin! You deserve a People's Elbow for that!

[@Trygman81]

Is that Dwayne 'the Rock' Johnson as a plastic figurine?

[@Trygman81]

@@Possi_ball Not for any board game I know of, but it's obviously the Rock, the tattoo is a clear giveaway.

[@sjorsfarla3767]

When i saw the title, i was wondering why i SU&SD would tell me not to get Game of Thrones

[@Reggie1408]

They already have a video about that ;)

[@dtoad48]

Omg.. documental :) love also.. why not just ask "is this part of the game" each time? Seems like a stupid rule to make you fail right away.

[@DaBoweh]

Basically, if no one tries to target you, they can complete their goals with someone else. However, if you try to make yourself appear like a target, then catch people, you can fail that goal forever. Asking if it's a game first thing is not an effective strategy because you won't be able to eliminate players that way.

[@DaBoweh]

If you're on guard enough to ask 'is this for the game' at the start of every social interaction, you're also on guard enough that no one's going to try getting you, so you're missing the point. The first goal is to get other people, yes, but the secondary goal is to prevent other players from getting ANYONE, not just yourself, and the only way to do that is by getting them to target you so you can permanently fail their goals. If no one tries to get you, because they know you always ask, then you can't prevent them from succeeding against someone else. The always ask strat only works if everyone in the room is doing it, and in that situation the game stalemates, which makes it sub-optimal. The only way to win is to risk losing.

[@DwarfyDoodad]

You could have stopped after the first sentence. If you get everyone to just ask "is this from the game" after everything then you both missed the point of the game, and shouldn't be playing it to begin with.

[@JamesEHudson]

Loved the review but at the end that is THE ROCK you are using not Stone Cold :P

[@Treetea07]

2:03 wtf

[@NoNameAtAll2]

What's in the box?

[@necogreendragon]

Gwyneth Paltrow's head.

[@drew081886]

Couldn't you just respond to every single thing someone says to you by saying "is this for the game?"

[@DaedalusZM]

I would watch a whole series of Dont Get Got reenactments with tiny wrasslin mens

[@davidblechynden5322]

We recently returned from our annual 3 day gaming weekend, and I bought this to play in the background. The undercurrent of paranoia this created was amazing. Whenever someone walked away from the table and came back, everyone was on high alert. But, over 2 hours into a game of Terraforming Mars, getting someone to play Rock, Paper, Scissors to determine where the asteroid landed and who's plants were destroyed but in reality getting a mission complete created this amazing moment where everyone cheered at the mental fortitude of being able to patiently wait and stalk his prey, and more importantly remember, to attempt his mission while still being attentive to the game in front of him. This game is all about knowing when to go for it and when to sit back and wait. It sounds ready to constantly all everyone all the time "Is this for the game?" But in reality, you get engrossed in other moments making you a prime target. And if you're like our group, you start doing strange things that aren't for the game so people get sick of asking all the time and then they get got.

[@snapperl]

If I were to play this game, I would add Poker Chips and give every player say 5. If you ask someone "Is this for the game" and you are wrong, you have to Pay a Poker chip. If someone gets X Poker chips they win. I feel like in a party situation with people I know, they will just sit there and keep saying "Is this for the game" because their is no cost involved in saying that all the time, I think its a bit of a design flaw to leave out a cost for saying "Is this for the game".

[@EjvindGEMDark]

If you lose all your chips you autofail a mission and get your chips back (minus one).

[@jackchandelier]

So then people just keep starting suspicious conversations with you and trying to get you to do weird stuff and you wouldn't be able to tell if it's a real mission or bait to get your chips. That sucks. More fun when you have to be really subtle with your missions.

[@snapperl]

@@jackchandelier Its about knowing the types of players you have. Most of my group are wargamers. So if you give them this game where they have an unlimited and incredibly powerful resource (asking is this for the game), they will use the hell out of it, its just that type of mindset, so that was what I was seeking to mitigate. I could see my group using that line in every single sentence they say lol.

[@EjvindGEMDark]

@@snapperl That's why I think my method addresses it. Not an alternate win condition, and doesn't cause a huge issue. You lose some chips and fail one mission, people are going to be failing missions anyway.

[@gamesdisk]

@@snapperl well he did address this in the video, after about an hour people tend to forget. But really, if they just want to game the system this isnt the game for them.

[@acerumble4991]

Matt's mission is, "Get a player to correct you about a professional wrestler"

[@ariellee2329]

Ace Rumble are you saying you’ve never heard of Stone Cold ‘Steven’ Austin? He’s the hottest wrestler out there right now!

[@TRONOFTHEDEAD]

@@ariellee2329 Oh he has, but Matt was holding a figure of Dwayne "The Rock" Johnston...

[@lanzelloth]

you have really muscular friends who weirdly wear very little out

[@ScherFire]

My first impression of this as Quinns was explaining it was that it sounded like an amazingly good time. ... And then I started thinking about how just one person can really undermine the fun of this by starting every single interaction they have with someone with "Is this for the game?"

[@guiltriple]

Yeah, that was my immediate thought as soon as he described the fail mechanic. I was honestly surprised that there apparently is no penalty for a wrong callout (a la many other bluffing games).

[@ScherFire]

@@guiltriple Agreed, my gut instinct is our group of friends would need to instate something like a "5 incorrect call-outs maximum" rule.

[@shutupandsitdown]

With enough persistence, all board games can be destroyed by someone trying to undermine the fun. What a world! (The trick is to hand out wallets to people who aren't jerks...)

[@ChrisM-xx6cf]

@@ScherFire I'm not sure that would work either. Otherwise you'd have someone obviously trying to get people to do something odd, just to get them to make an incorrect call-out. This seems to be a game with a particular spirit that it needs to be played in, and violating that spirit is just going to ruin it for everyone.

[@edwardlane1255]

@@shutupandsitdown or be forced to turn one of your own missions to a failed state for an incorrect challenge

[@BigPotato]

Thanks for the incredible review lads!

[@jessicaside]

Big Potato Games I have been singing the praises of this game for a few months now. Love it. Played with the family on a snow day (school was canceled) with no power at our house. My 8 year old won.

[@BigPotato]

@@jessicaside Thanks for the love

[@BigPotato]

@@BaneWilliams Sorry Bane, not at the moment, we're still looking for a distributor who will take it over there.

[@InstigationFixation]

It would be hilarious if they just randomly reviewed some generic board game like Monopoly or Chess

[@sebh2957]

They've reviewed crockinole before.

[@dan-gy4vu]

@@sebh2957 yeah, but it's crokinole

[@Drewkas0]

Just like a game my friends and I used to play we called "the curse". Write "the curse" on a small piece of paper and give it to one person. Agree that at some specified time, whoever has the curse loses. Could be a day, a week, whatever. The rule is you can only acquire the curse if you willingly accept it. It could be in a book, a hat, or in perhaps in your ravioli.

[@Drewkas0]

Should have written that you can only GET RID of the curse if another player willingly accepts it.

[@rvervuurt]

@@Drewkas0 But the other player doesn't willingly accept the curse, when he willingly accepts a book? Or is this a "DOBBY IS FREE" kind of thing?

[@BardicLiving]

@@rvervuurt I assumed the latter was the case.

[@wheeler68]

All these boring spoilsports talking about the strategy of constantly trying to call out people when all that would mean is that other players stop interacting with you entirely. The actual winning spoilsport strategy is to get a partner and have each of you agree to do whatever the other says without question. (But also, just don't? Both of these options make for very boring games, and the likely end result of the "good" strategy is that other players ignore your victory and keep playing without you.)

[@LilBoyHexley]

I don't think it's about being a spoilsport. It's just that it's a game, and people have to be hyper-willing to allow themselves to become almost completely complacent in playing the game. It definitely requires some creativity, like the social event being long, and totally unrelated to the game to work. It would also be a good thing to combine with playing other party or drinking games to create naturally atypical social interactions.

[@davidberry7115]

Scoring rules on party games should always be "when the fun's winding down and it's time to start something new"

[@bradstapleton2041]

Got this game for my News Year's Eve party and it didn't really work with my friends. They're so incredibly competitive, that every single person just machine gunned every scenario, and within 15 minutes several of the players were out and someone got 3 . One of my friends actually said, "We didn't play it correctly, did we?). No. No you didn't. And then, because it was a drunken party, half the people left without returning their wallets and now i have half a game (the current version of which, only has 8 bloody wallets!). I love the idea of the game but wow, it REALLY didn't work for us. Also super annoyed that they cheaped out even further by reducing the number of wallets. I love the idea of this game. The reality is, it makes me angry just thinking about it.

[@LPDani123]

So what if people just keep asking if this is part of the game?

[@robertdascoli949]

You ruin your evening?

[@willboy334]

No one would ever try to get them. However, they will loose thier guard and stop asking, then they will be the most vulnerable for one trick.

[@CWReace]

That's what I was wondering. Maybe there should be a penalty for asking when it's not?

[@willboy334]

@@CWReace there is a penalty? MILD SPOILERS! Don't read on if you want 0 spoilers! There is a mission to get someone to call you out. But you can house rule.

[@cantrip7]

Lotta people asking this. Seems like a penalty rule would be simple to implement and not too complicated.

[@Osborne4Life]

This reminds me of that recent movie "Tag," where the game is constantly going, whether or not you're aware of what's going on around you and who's trying to get you.

[@brianseba5098]

What stops anyone from constantly saying 'Is this from the game?' so you don't have any chance of doing anything?

[@Calcos323]

Nothing. Except refusing to play with that person, because they're a dick. Any and all board games can be ruined by being "that guy". Besides, if you do that, you won't be talked to for the rest of the evening, and everyone else will be having fun without you

[@Vantastic789]

True. I don't know if there is, but there should be some kind of rule about punishing calling someone out and being wrong. Like, you have to auto fail a random mission of yours.

[@nicholasj7388]

Exactly my thoughts. Anytime one of my friends did something odd, all I would have to do is ask if it's part of the game.

[@ashleythefish6152]

he mentions this in the review, he said that people will do this, but people relax and chill out after a while. thats when it gets good

[@DaBoweh]

Basically, if no one tries to target you, they can complete their goals with someone else. However, if you try to make yourself appear like a target, then catch people, you can fail that goal forever. Asking if it's a game first thing is not an effective strategy because you won't be able to eliminate players that way.

[@AndrewMassengale]

Are there rules that prevent you from just asking "does this have to do with the game?" all the time? Some kind of penalty?

[@stefanopaolini6117]

No. You isolate that person. Ouch, if you are asking this you probably are that person. Then... Sorry :/

[@AndrewMassengale]

@@stefanopaolini6117 No need to be a jerk about it. Just asking a simple question that I'm sure many other people have as well about a game I know nothing about.

[@CheshireCad]

@@stefanopaolini6117 - If someone is doing something that is both the optimal move, and fully within the rules of the game, and your first instinct is to belittle and ostracize them, instead of reconsider the rules of the game, then there's probably something deeply worrisome about who you are as a person.

[@pucke1bd]

I'm trying to figure out where to play this. If it's a one night event then it doesn't seem like it would work. At work would be cool (and potentially more fun to keep it from your boss(es)). I wish I had this when I was in college...

[@g8kpr3000]

Ben Puckett my exact thought. An evening with 5 or 6 friends doesn’t seem like it would work. Every time something slightly unusual happens, you would say “is this part of the game?” Larger parties like highschool or college might work, but after you are 26?

[@orathaic]

Played similar games on work training/team building weekends

[@Showsni]

It seems like the kind of thing you'd hand out to someone at the start of the day and play throughout the day whilst doing other things. Like, if the family is all coming over for Christmas, give everyone a wallet as they arrive and play throughout the day.

[@dwnvwdjvn]

Thanks for this, I purchased a copy before Christmas and had everyone deeply paranoid by time it came to carving up the Turkey... by the evening my Mother simply refused to interact with anyone... hilarious stuff

[@lellocarrello5950]

Hi folks, there is a similar game from cocktailgames.com : "Bluff Party" hilariously funny.... Cheers!!!!

[@kev_whatev]

I’m really looking forward to trying this game out...if I’m ever in a place with a bunch of other people again

[@net_spider]

Is there any penalty for asking if something is part of the game and it isn't? Just saying because otherwise there is always that prick who literally stands there and second guesses everyones actions aloud, making sure that anyone nearby fails missions if they attempt any of them.

[@CAMSLAYER13]

Lol immediately my first thought but I guess you could just do it to other people and question everything they do until they stop/lose

[@CriticalEatsJapan]

Wow, how did you manage to get the Hulkster's endorsement at the end there? Well played, guys... ;)

[@bumblingthroughdungeons]

I have an older micro-game version of this idea called Pretense, but it suffers from only having a handful of tasks.This looks like it's dialed up to 11, which is a good thing. Would love to try it at a party. Nice review!

[@kevinanados]

They should play this game while playing Blood on the Clocktower

[@Caitlin_TheGreat]

That actually... sounds fantastic and terrible at the same time. Could be the best! Could be a disaster! Won't know until you try! Having this as a background game while playing other board games is probably the best way to do it.

[@KhaoticPhoenix]

1:40 I don't know why this cracks me up so much...

[@stefanopaolini6117]

Every person asking if there is a penalty for always asking if something is for the game actually would be THAT GUY at the party. Ya boring.

[@cipherpunk7409]

7:29 is pure SU&SD gold.

[@towerguardgames]

Great work. This game feels like it has the potential to be quite fragile with the wrong crowd. What's stopping people from saying 'Is this for the game?' At the start of all conversations? I think I'd add a penalty for false guesses, like maybe they flip an objective to 'failed it', or better yet, have Beanboozled set up in the corner and when they guess falsely they have to spin and partake of the beans.

[@michaelbecker6480]

Immediately bought this game after watching the review and played at Thanksgiving. The whole family enjoyed it. You can't find a better party game for only $20. I highly suggest it.

[@KebehQuaa]

- Chris, put this hat on - Wait, is this part of the g... - It's part of the Wallfacer plan - As you wish

[@Kindlesmith70]

Sounds kinda cool, but I don't know that many people, generally don't go to parties and some of those cards I don't particularly like

[@tomlangan2300]

Thank you for introducing me to this game but also Documental! I watched the first episode straight after this review. It's hilarious!

[@Monarchyman1]

Sounds like that episode of MASH where Hawkeye and BJ have a Practical joke war.

[@bearridenour2836]

Aaaaaaand instantly purchased. This will make an AMAZING work holiday party game. Let the friendly dicketry commence!

[@AndreaForlani]

How did it go?

[@allencordell]

"Which is a movie... for old people" lol

[@luckydodo8025]

eXistenZ isn't THAT o-.... Oh...

[@littlemissevel3607]

Putting on a hat? I'd fall for that even if you told me it was part of the game. Hats are great!

[@RATZGobbler]

This has been a social game for ages. I mean how many of us actually go to parties with grown adults willing to play this thing outright. Some people are gonna wanna talk about sports, some might just flirt and others might just want to get out of the house after working from home. Im not saying it wouldn’t be fun but people don’t really gather to put up with this after a break from work and family. Im sorry for being dismissive, I’ve just been having a really bad week.

[@chrisbochman6464]

THAT'S THE ROCK, YOU JABRONI. Good review though

[@whoisbatman]

They intended for someone to say that and turns out... You got got!

[@thefollowingisatest4579]

I do like the idea for this game, I've played a similar party game before. But, I will point out things like "marker a persons skin without them knowing" veers into some pretty shitty territory.

[@merdehappens]

You could also curate the list of potential tasks beforehand, but then you would know all of the possible tasks...

[@MB-st7be]

Would fucking love to watch Derren Brown play this game

[@DomCombatVids]

Back when you could meet people...

[@lenniet]

What if, like you, I live in the UK and don't use "Dollers"... can I use Pounds to buy it?

[@davidbod]

It's a fun game but, with the need for the 8 pouches, it limits the fun to 8 people when it could potentially be a good activity for medium-sized gatherings. They should either selk extra packs of wallets or have rules for people to take a card each and maybe catch 3 people out with it?

[@TheLofren]

You can easily just give 6 other objectives to people without pouches and just have them keep track of what they do

[@seansteel328]

You could just buy two copies (you'd risk getting a couple of the same objectives, though)

[@totalvoid6234]

Given how difficult the challenges are 8 pouches is too many. If 8 people out of 12,000 are trying this they're not going to be able to score 3 points in 60 years.

[@nivlet42]

I only watched a minute and a half of this review before I ordered the game.

[@rocketfallen]

This specifically reminds me of the "X-Man" stuff they'd have in korean game shows. And so I'm totally in, because I'm not creative enough to come up with those challenges on my own and it's much easier to get friends to go along with a thing if it's a game instead of me wanting to do some weird thing.

[@MadManMcGee]

I'd put this in the same category as Sneaky Cards, except where Sneaky Cards is PvE, this is PvP, and seems absolutely amazing!

[@Dorian_sapiens]

Going to add "Don't come in, I'm doing drugs" to my repertoire. Thanks for the help!

[@xanadu1215]

Just ordered it. Cannot WAIT to run this game while we play Mice & Mystics. :)

[@sbar8595]

Anyone know where I can get the mug Quinns is using at 3:28? With the penguins on it

[@jackcannon3511]

i love this game :)

[@rbp7ooz255]

What is the music at 7:29? is it public domain? Because THAT would make a great ring tone.

[@yorkoh5880]

Oh my lord, Matt's face at the beginning was brilliant. "We have to destroy it!"

[@SKfilming]

is there a punishment to asking "is this part of the game" and it not being part of the game. otherwise what prevents one from just saying "is this part of the game" at every instance.

[@DaBoweh]

Basically, if no one tries to target you, they can complete their goals with someone else. However, if you try to make yourself appear like a target, then catch people, you can fail that goal forever. Asking if it's a game first thing is not an effective strategy because you won't be able to eliminate players that way.

[@adamwardrop]

There's a similarly themed game, with a much smaller box , called "Gameception" Great wee game to play alongside other games on a gamenight.

[@devincross2205]

If looking up fake Wikipedia articles was an objective, I just got got.

[@jumpysniper]

Wait isn't that Batista? And that's the rocks line, now idk if you're doing that on purpose or not xD

[@DurbsBT]

Your box is different to my box?! No fancy drawers for me... Got it lined up for the last week of pre-xmas party at the office.

[@Radien]

What a perfect Steve Austin impression. I swear, it's uncanny.

[@drennanenator]

So the review makes it seem like you play this game at a party some evening, and that's it. But what if you played it over the course of a month, say, at work or school?

[@ChrisM-xx6cf]

That's what I was thinking, though maybe just a week or so rather than a month.

[@guiltriple]

So like, Assassins but more varied.

[@Ummarth9]

Game looks amazing! Gonna pick it up. Also, greatly appreciated the Rock hatting Macho Man Randy Savage.

[@oz_jones]

I mean, I can totally see that as a legitimate match outcome. I have seen more bizarre stuff. Rasslin' is wild.

[@SoulSukkur]

there should be some sort of penalty for asking if its part of the game if it isn't. maybe a 3 strikes system?

[@TheSnapshotKing]

The first thing I'd like to say is the amount of cruelty in the comments section for this one really made my heart sink. It's a game. If I ever caught people in my game group bullying someone for how they play a GAME, they'd never be invited again. Ever. Anyway, for the actual human beings down here, this game is obviously extremely open to variants. I've found that instead of having a simple unlimited phrase be the defensive maneuver, the person attempting the mission MUST succeed or fail on a chosen target before trying another. Has Anjali figured you out? Is she never going to give you a thumbs-up like your mission requires? Probably better to fail this mission and try another one. This way, the only way to avoid getting got is to, well, not get got. I'm legit still recoiling from some of the garbage I've read down here. Totally spine chilling that those people are part of SU&SD's community.

[@TheSnapshotKing]

Another variant if you want to be able to back out and try again on someone else, is to require the callout phrase to be specific. "Are you trying to get me to flex my bicep" is much trickier to guess than "Is 'this' part of the game," a nebulous and all-encompassing phrase that you could shout to the whole room at a random time and likely get 1 or 2 people completely at random.

[@obsidiansiriusblackheart]

House rule 10 "is this for the game?" s, and if someone uses all 10, people just don't try get that person

[@Jimunu]

This review and Dwayne the stone cold austin rock cameo made me subscribe.

[@matthewharris-levesque5809]

Box Matches Tea-mug. AWESOME! Bye.

[@Elbiman]

A coworker just got this to play in his flat share over the course of a week. Thanks for reminding me to check in with him to see how it goes!

[@tortillus9029]

I think this could have some really fun potential for like big group trips out to places, or to a convention, you start the day giving everyone their cards and then at lunch or the end of the day count up your stuff and switch over if needed

[@icewatever]

Big up the Oatly at 2:22

[@Akco007]

This sounds like my perfect game honestly. Wonderful review too

[@57thorns]

An extremely group dependent game, by which I mean I can't see a group in my environment where this would work. Then again, I just got an idea.

[@shortbuspimp]

That's The Rock not Stone Cold Steven Austin lol

[@Oscuros]

What's 20 dollars in normal people's money?

[@rvervuurt]

So, what if the main language at a party isn't English? Won't this ruin the game? Should one just translate the tasks and the "Guess what"-card, so it fits to the language? Or should I just use some time to make up my own tasks in the language of my choosing?

[@RaNdOm3.1415]

Hey? Did you know this kettle is voice acted?

[@creationbeatsuk]

I've got this game being delivered today, only thing is, couldn't someone ask "is this part of the game to everything you say?"

[@serendal]

I think like the game Mafia you should do this on a entire day.

[@maelisvampire9208]

What stops players from asking all the time "Is this from the game"? Is there some rule that says what is and what's not "part of the game"?

[@torymiddlebrooks]

Boredom. Imagine saying that in response to everything. How dull that would be?

[@PetrVojtech]

This review was fantastic! And the game looks great :)

[@Zombiewski]

OK but where did you get those wrestler figures?

[@Table53]

Guess what!

[@marxxplaysgames]

What? OH GOD DAMNIT!

[@TheWatkinsWaycom]

What if everyone keeps asking... lol jk Can you play with like 20 people? (I understand I'd need to make extra 'wallets' ) I'm thinking Super Bowl party.

[@TheErnieforss]

What board game is the wrestler from?

[@xChikyx]

if I had friends and went to parties...