What's Going On With Mitsubishi?

[@revelare_xvii6269]

And to think people were complaining about the Supra being a reskinned BMW. We’re lucky it even came back as a 2 door sports car.

[@btfo420]

If Supra is a 4 door compact SUV I swear I will never praise Toyota ever again, no matter how good the Mirai looks

[@phil_zupra_b5880]

Luckily the GR Supra is a great car.

[@GerWaskito]

And even the new Z is just reskinned 370z with Q50 engine. Beggars just can't be choosers in this day and age I guess 🥲

[@raijin8718]

​@GerWaskito The Q60 too but even then the engine sharing isn't a issue considering Nissan always shared the Z engines with their other cars from the VG30E/DE from the 300zxs to VQ35s from the 350Zs as do any other brand.

[@succulentravioli954]

​@phil_zupra_b5880 True. I just wish the engine and its parts weren't so expensive to service and repair. Makes me want to get a z instead

[@Crazy_Alex_7667]

Ah Mitsubishi, my favorite ac company

[@jtjoemamma]

my favorite marker company

[@Saltinator]

My favorite TV company

[@chethiyabandaranayake1759]

my favorite elevator company

[@exempli646]

My favourite pen company. Seriously Uni ball pens slap

[@DarkSession6208]

My favorite heat pump company

[@Kacpa2]

How dare you reduce 3000GT to a mere footnote? It was the crowning jewel not Lancer or Eclipse, and was closest you ever got to Skyline R34, VR-4 matched R32 on track.

[@cruisien1626]

right i have the european model that got the bigger turbos and a few other upgraded from factory. Its an absolute blast to drive and turning heads efrywhere especially with poeple in the know since these are quite rare in switzerland.

[@peterparker3668]

The Eclipse gave birth to the tuner renaissance in the US. The 3K was great in its own right but the US didn’t receive it very well it seems.

[@saberwolf1054631]

3000gt was amazing during its time but if you ever owned one you realize how quick that car goes from amazing to nightmare. Its very tight engine bay comparable to the 300zx, its weight and ultimately the lack of tuning potential ultimately killed that car from ever reaching legendary status. Supra, gtr, evo, civics all had the aftermarket and tuning support needed for them to reach those legendary status we see now not to mention f2f. Vr4 not so much

[@huh0123]

Because the 3000gt wasn’t even a Mitsubishi, it was a Chrysler dodge chassis with a Mitsubishi drivetrain. About as impressive as the Zupra.

[@saberwolf1054631]

@@huh0123 new supra is great much less money needed to build a b58 to make decent HP than the 2jz. Eclipse was also a crossover with GM and it did amazing which disproves your reasoning that the colab between GM is why it failed

[@constipatedparker5879]

Jackie Chan also promoted Mitsubishi like hell. Almost all of his movies in the 80s and 90s were seen him driving Mitsubishis.

[@treshmiranda699]

the bosozoku mitsubishi mini van from "wheels on meals" goes hard.

[@313gwar]

Police story car chases are iconic.

[@AdventureWithBM]

The Evo IV in “Who Am I?” was absolutely iconic.

[@xCalamity]

He was under contract with them to only drive there cars

[@MinhtuanDinh-k2z]

what about the evo 3 and the gto from thunderbolt? those were fire. and the pajevo from who am i.

[@johnornelas]

For those that don't know, Mitsubishi manufactured the Zero plane during WW2, one of the most iconic aircraft of all time.

[@cobaltlukather9045]

they named it Zero for the amount of times they landed back at the airport they took off from after facing an American.

[@PhilhellenicAgori]

i definitely wouldn't say of all time. that's wildly outlandish

[@whatareyoudoingyouidiot342]

Which is why their factories were destroyed. Just like America and Nazi Germany, civilian manufacturers were co-opted to build war machines. Not saying it's good or bad. Just saying it's what happened.

[@larrybethune3909]

@@PhilhellenicAgori I don't think so. It could out turn and out climb all allied fighters until the Hellcat came in 1943. And even then the only tactic was slash and dash. The Zero is a to 10 contender in many best of lists.

[@SkarryTerry]

And they got shot down by American P51 Mustangs and Boeing helped🤷🏽‍♂️😂😂 Also, VW, BMW and Skoda made the Nazi vehicles. Cool huh.

[@edagener883]

4:04 biggest L in terms of ad placement.

[@NexuJin]

The way he talks was extremely annoying.

[@raresmihasca6364]

the only bad thing about it is that man you see righte there in the ad; died. in the desert, with no water and no phone signal

[@MahadShahzad08]

Mitsubishi downfall in one of the most tragic and sad events in Automotive History. The 70s to 2000s were the Golden age of Mitsubishi. R.I.P to the Mighty Lan Evo, FTO, GTO/3000 GT, Starion, Pajero/Montero Evo, Galant VR-4, Diamente All legendary cars that sadly won't return anytime soon.

[@sumdumguy6449]

Atleast mitsubishi themselves know they're problem They said themselves we can't do anything fun were trying to pay off our debt first And that gives me hope

[@Ccristoff]

The 1940s as well

[@allentoyokawa9068]

They are better now troll

[@MahadShahzad08]

@@allentoyokawa9068 said the actual troll. New cars are basically Renaults and name plates from the the legendary original cars onto huge pieces of hot trash. What a stupid comment. Get out

[@MahadShahzad08]

@@allentoyokawa9068 Your comment clearly shows that you're the troll who thinks new Mitsubishi cars are better. But they're not and they never will be. Just lame boring SUV with name plates of legendary cars and rebadged Renaults. Mitsubishi Motors died when the evo 10 ended.

[@cornedbeef4332]

I recently went to Japan. Mitsubishi is everywhere, not just on the street. It seems like they're focusing on their appliances and public transport, but I still miss seeing what brought them to the greenlight.

[@bryanlolwtf04]

Yes I assumed that they are divesting their resources from their automotive division towards other more profitable sectors for the conglomerate (like electronics) but still I miss their sports cars from the past.

[@RicoBanani]

Yeah I had a mitsubishi vcr player. An AC unit as well

[@MODElAIRPLANE100]

They have done all kinds of work for a long time, they also do engineering and manufacturing under mitshubishi heavy equipment

[@Nobodyfromnowhere42]

mitsubishi makes everything from electronics and a/c to tanks and AA systems , they dont rly care abt cars anymore

[@EVoMVP]

@@bryanlolwtf04 It's not inherently a matter of diversifying, just like Subaru (FHI) Mitsu has always been Mistubishi Heavy Industries (MHI), they've made these things for decades (think WW2 planes along with air conditioners and other equipment) and that's what allowed them to build good cars, they have a lot of manufacturering in-house, not sure what their infrastructure is nowadays but since they're still incredible appliance manufacturers I'm sure if they cared enough to put the money in they can easily make a quality yet affordable car that has some excitement - albeit unlikely considering they seem to be focused on profits over public image

[@PainfulGout]

Mitsubishi is doing really great in South East Asia serving what the market needs and wants. Its just that producing high performance/sports and fun cars like the Eclipse, Lancer, GT doesnt sell well anymore.

[@robbalinski1606]

Exactly, profit margins are low on them at the best of times. Then the over saturated market we have in north America makes it even harder. I give toyota a big salute for bringing multiple options to the enthusiasts category.

[@warcrabcyber9908]

Mitsubishi is doing well in counties like Australia as well , the outlander phev is the best selling phev in that country. All Mitsubishi vehicles are reliable , they bad talk the eclipse cross but the 2022 model is a good crossover and is reliable.

[@rogue5360]

truee... nowadays you own a Mitsubishi like pajero or fortuner is interpreted as rich person.. Mitsubishi's trucks are also sell very well

[@misfit492]

We uhhh missed a couple years between the 30s and 45 huh?

[@andyb1653]

It's a car channel, not an airplane channel ;)

[@ajv8497]

I mean they pretty much made Zero things during the war...

[@huh0123]

@@ajv8497ahhh, I see what you did there

[@negativeindustrial]

The Mitsubishi Zero was, in many fundamental ways, the EVO of the sky in the first half of WWII. It was eventually severely outclassed by the American muscle cars of the sky in the second half.

[@andyb1653]

@@ajv8497 Yeah. They made Betty things too.

[@MiguelDsm]

Then there’s the Mitsubishi enthusiasts keeping the older legends alive 🚀

[@Icejay932]

Was looking for this comment, absolute legend

[@TheFinestEhps]

Says the legend himself, I love your line up of mitsubishi's Miguel. Hope all is well.

[@lonestarfto]

Love your eclipse man! Absolutely gorgeous!

[@nefariouscj9791]

I'm surprised they didn't point out yours has the newer 4g63t also. I loved watching Nolan try to fit in it lol

[@nefariouscj9791]

And damn I just realized your car has been on Hoonigan and Donut now lol. What's it gonna be on next?

[@mikew8880]

Been rollin a 2024 Outlander Black Edition for about a year and I absolutely love it. Stunning minimalist interior, the most attractive body styling in Outlander history, plus it’s very capable out on the trails. HIGHLY recommend 👌

[@GamGuni]

and its a rebadged nissan

[@ametatsu]

I thought about one myself, but then they're high up on the list of stolen cat converters

[@Nigel_Tberry]

😂😂😂

[@XploreDirt]

Thank you Donut for making more videos of our favorite cars. You’re really hitting your target audience with your recent videos.

[@jastindarts31]

They probably noticed their audience is leaving

[@SpeedyTheTurtle24]

I just came for donut reviews. Very disappointed

[@chimpswithcameras]

Just gonna lightly skip over Mitsubishi's history in WW2....😅

[@user-sq6nu3rv1m]

No A6M?

[@semicolon101]

@@user-sq6nu3rv1mzero a6m’s

[@PhantomTechnik131]

@@user-sq6nu3rv1mZero. (Please laugh)

[@israelvelazquez2896]

I’m glad I’m not the only one not thinking this. 😂

[@tbr2109]

Every single Japanese automaker that exists today made military equipment in WW2. The combination of Mitsubishi, Subaru, and Nissan gets you every plane used to attack Pearl Harbor.

[@laughingskulls]

My first ever Mitsu was a 1995 Evo that was louder at the intake then it was at the exhaust. I then got a Cayenne Red Pearl 1998 Eclipse. That was the most fun driving through little back roads in the mountains. My last was a Galant. It was the perfect family car that was still fun to drive. After an illness made me paralyzed in 2016 I gave it to my sister and she still drives it and looks like new.

[@jaymoor8995]

I’ll never forget my ‘91 Galant VR-4. I should have never sold it.

[@bmacster1985]

I have always wanted 1. I also would love to find a 1991 Dodge shadow R/T

[@coryartrip8142]

@jaymoor8995 A white on white Galant VR-4 changed my life.

[@Kacpa2]

Buy it back then. Dont live with regret like this

[@Nunya269]

You shouldn’t have, plenty of people would do terrible terrible things for one lmao

[@thomasschlitzer7541]

I am sorry 😔 If she was 1368, she is in good hands.

[@cooldudemcswagcooldudemcsw4697]

Driving a 92’ Mitsubishi feels like hanging out with your friend that used to be really cool

[@sly_vester]

I don't know how to explain it but I still think the 4G Eclipse is an underrated car. When it released when I was younger it was one of my favorite new cars, and I was shocked to learn that people hated on it so much as I grew up. Only real critique I have is no AWD option.

[@rustbloodeclipse]

I agree. People forget that from the factory the 4G with the 3.8 V6 and the 6 speed manual ran faster 0-60 and quarter mile times than the 2G GSX did.

[@sly_vester]

@@rustbloodeclipse for sure. That 3.8 making almost 300hp without needing a turbo is pretty nice

[@SuperSharpshot2427]

As an owner of a 97 GSX, it hurts seeing an suv eclipse

[@shutdown8947]

But it feels so good for me 👍 I ❤️ my new Mitsubishi Eclipse Cross Limited Edition

[@carsaregood911]

@@shutdown8947 Trash

[@carsaregood911]

@@shutdown8947 nope its utter garbage

[@Saltinator]

Mitsubishi absolutely shit on the Eclipse moniker by naming that abysmal cuv the same name.

[@Shidhani]

​@shutdown8947 I have both Eclipse Cross and Evo X, the Eclipse Cross is a nice daily driver while Evo X is a beast on the road!!

[@jarrodnichols8111]

Mitsubishi's middle child, the FTO, once again forgotten.

[@guidedbygreed]

Even I forgot the fto. I loved that one back in the day

[@YamsKenta]

and Mitsubishi Starion too 😥

[@AceFlights]

fr

[@АртемПрохоров-Лукин]

What about 3000gt?)

[@rightinthedome9973]

Lmao i was just playing gran turismo 3 last night b and scrolled over v my Fto and was like oh i forgot about this one lol

[@momo_san1980]

The good old 90s Japanese sports cars. But now it's the 2020 Chinese EV era

[@atishghosh]

This video has the old WheelHouse vibe to it and I love it.

[@Rook285]

Looking forward to a Nolan Wheelhouse episode is the reason i keep watching Donut!

[@zeeya.industries]

I've owned R32s, R33s and R34s, H series, B series and K series Hondas, SR20det S14, 1JZ JZX90 MK2 and 2JZ Soarer. Ive owned my Evo 8 for 4 years now and no doubt its my favourite out of the previous cars I've owned.

[@prueensgloria4743]

Spoiled rich boy

[@zeeya.industries]

@@prueensgloria4743 lol i wish, just hard work

[@Dgaf1990]

Who gives a fuck

[@ihavelowcom-prehension_skills]

​@@prueensgloria4743 No. Just because someone has multiple cars doesn't always mean they are like that lol

[@33takeover]

Says a lot about a overpriced R34 GTR. Evo 8 MR [JAP SPEC] up next!

[@questionabletaste2700]

People don't understand that Mitsubishi NEVER cared about the fans. All they care about is sales. They didn't even want to make the original EVO and when the EVO stopped bringing money in, they stopped and went with the next thing

[@AM93000]

It is a business, you fool

[@greall]

They were being real to themselves. Enthusiasts are always dreaming about the days of yore or want a car that the mass market doesn't want or can afford. Mitsubishi is a big seller everywhere else but in the US. Personally, the exterior design of their current lineup is a little too much for me.

[@danielzhang1916]

@@greall yeah the design and they should have brought over the new Pajero years ago

[@darkspartan806]

And this is why Hondas will always reign supreme. No other company still has as much passion as they do. "Honda is racing, racing is Honda."

[@ClaytonNigsby]

That’s pretty much how all businesses work. Passion doesn’t pay the bills, gotta be profitable if you want to remain in business very long

[@ClayWong]

We need the EVO again🥲🥲

[@DominikQuesnel]

I saw one the other day miss seeing them

[@ramcharger9146]

Evos were absolute garbage but they were still fun

[@DominikQuesnel]

@@ramcharger9146 agreed

[@H3aling808]

​@@ramcharger9146 lies.

[@SoilentGr33n]

@@ramcharger9146 Your crank walked?

[@antoniobarry1486]

The Montero would probably unironically bring Mitsubishi back to a competitive state here in the US, my Mom had one and she loved that car.

[@corbinvandeventer6541]

I have one and can confirm your mom is right

[@demodemo5146]

I had a Montero Sport, that thing was awesome. I gave it to my mother in law with 220K miles when the AC went out, she got it fixed and rode it for like 5 years and then traded it in.

[@Ccristoff]

The montero sport and triton/L200 are everywhere outside of America, my dads first truck was a triton, the thing was bulletproof, I’ve driven the new one as well and has a nice interior and great little 2.4 diesel engine which gave me nearly 30mpg, although i think the montero sport would sell way better than a triton in the states, the triton is too much of a work truck compared to the trucks in America, a tad too small and not refined enough

[@_S_Y_N_]

When i was learning to drive my sister had to use my family’s mazda most of the time so she could go to work/school, so i never got much time to learn until my friend eddie let me practice on his old montero, thing was an absolute beast, we had zero problems with it until around 300,000km when the trans went on strike

[@damilolaakanni]

They'll have to find a good petrol engine if they decide to bring the Montero (Sport) back to North America. Maybe the 3.8 V6 from the Frontier?

[@AdventureSeeker303]

17:20, Nolan acknowledges the 800# Donut Gorilla in the room with "falling off" viewer comment montage! Well done!

[@iamthebossmanify]

I still have my family's old Mitsubishi TV. I thought they were an electronics company before I knew they were a car company when I was little.

[@AshIsAverage]

They are an electronics company. They're an everything company

[@iamrmsd]

They even sold pencils

[@G_de_Coligny]

Typical Japanese Zaibatsu. They make the best split unit aircooling for home too,

[@AlexanderV-z5l]

They also sell robots for factory’s

[@rogerwilco1777]

They also made the planes that attacked Pearl Harbor

[@mahirshahriarhussain5756]

JImmy really shined in this video. I can see a grand tour syle donut episode and Jimmy driving a JDM in it. Looks like Donut is back too.

[@FranciscoMartinez-jh1zi]

Me hizo recordar top gear uk

[@JonnySwindle1]

Jimmy is the great value version of Donut hosts.

[@kelvtube]

@@JonnySwindle1 😂😂😂😂😂😂 ikr.

[@Kyle-kc8cw]

I think a very important, or rather a few important notes here would be: 1) Mitsubishi Motors is NOT even a part of the Mitsubishi Group's core. Mitsubishi Motors is a small part of Mitsubishi and was formerly a subsidiary under Mitsubishi Heavy Industries. 2) Mitsubishi Motor's change from "passion" cars to more practical ones have actually boosted their business revenues and is a very strong brand outside of N. America. In many places, Mitsubishi often rivals Toyota. So, downfall? Hardly. Mitsubishi is primarily a financial, heavy machinery, mining, energy, electrical, and defense industries that makes cars on the sidelines.

[@gorkipork4112]

Don't forget chemical (which includes the branch I work within)

[@Aminmotors]

Mitsubishi was once great, even building a rival to the skyline GT-R - The GTO twin turbo, a car that beat the skyline on paper. They had the eclipse, a strong rival in the entry level market. And of course, the lancer Evo, the rally bred monster machine that ate everything in it's path. But now, the eclipse is an SUV and the last time Mitsubishi made a turbocharged 2 door car was the aforementioned GTO, which lasted only 1 generation. Even the Evo X was a shadow of the previous cars.

[@twizted3k]

The GTO was 3 generations and it beat the Skyline on paper and at Pikes Peak multiple years.

[@Soviet_Kitty]

@@twizted3k 4 refreshes (90-93, 94-96, 97-98, 99-00) but no actual generations. They’re all the same chassis just with minor changes sorta like the S5 / S4 rx7 FC

[@Nitro-fu7rv]

I think the evo X is pretty badass. That 4b11 can take a beating

[@az_3kgt714]

Tbh the 4b11 is a big improvement over the 4g63 in several areas including turbo spool time, head flow and rpm. The one negative is the aluminum block with a semi-closed deck. It just cant take higher boost pressures. But you can get more out of it with lower boost pressures because the heads flow dramatically better and more consistent.

[@Aminmotors]

@@Nitro-fu7rv I don't mean to hate on that car, it's still a very impressive machine. But I think the earlier Evos were a different level.

[@doodskie999]

The thing is, Mitsubishi is making tons of money in Asia selling SUV's (Pajero sport/Montero Sport), Outlander phev and the Triton(Strada), plus small cars like the mirage and Xpander, Xforce. Plus they make a ton of industrial equipment. So I don't think they will release anything exciting very soon Maybe we can start a petition for Mitsubishi to become cool again.

[@shutdown8947]

🎉Facts 💯

[@revelare_xvii6269]

They’ve essentially given up on the US market.

[@jasonvanderloew3078]

Nah mate,unless Toyota take over Mitsubishi from shitty Nissan/Renault alliance so there's nothing we can do about it. Their recent revival of Ralliart is just sucks ass. Atleast im hoping they could do some hardcore Ralliart version for Mirage,Attrage but it seems impossible tho.

[@flywan]

Mitsubishi itself are not going anywhere, they build spaceships and missiles ffs, only the automotive division is down.

[@doodskie999]

@@flywan exactly man. They got more lucrative industries to worry about rather than building fun cars

[@silageheap795]

No FTO or Mirage Cyborg!? The 4G92 MIVEC made more horsepower per liter than any normally aspirated engine in the world at the time of its introduction. The CJ4A RS/ ZR and RX made 174HP from a 1.6 NA engine in 1995 and the CA4A in 1992!

[@frozen7624]

as an owner of 400 hp evo 7 and ck lancer (aka stripped evo 4) - this video brought lots of tears

[@marcbeebee6969]

We all family here

[@montysport94]

I was the biggest Mitsubishi fan in high school. Learned to drive with a Montero Sport, drove an Eclipse in high school, Lancer in college. Owned several DSMs afterwards. Sister drove a Galant, Ex-wife drove an Outlander Sport when we were still together. Would be driving an Evo now if they still made them. The brand moved on and so did I. For those that have the time, money, and patience to keep the older ones alive, I salute you.

[@jessquiatchon2204]

Which eclipse model did u drive?

[@montysport94]

@@jessquiatchon2204 I've owned 3 first gens, 2 second gens, one was a Talon, and one 3rd gen which is the one I had in high school. I've thought about buying a 4th gen just to say I've owned all four generations. Also I ironically I literally just bought an Evo X on Monday! Forgot I even made this comment, glad you said something.

[@ZoboomaThew]

Fun Fact, the Mitsubishi plant in Bloomington/Normal is now the Rivian plant. Growing up in the area, I give Mitsubishi the credit for my love of JDM cars. Was sad to see them leave, but I think the eclipse cross is even more depressing. Really wish they wouldn't have tainted the eclipse name like that lol. Hoping they can bounce back as well! Great Video Donut!!!

[@jhayregz]

Canadian owner the past 9 years of my Evo 5. Love it. Fiance has an Evo 6 and those will be sitting in our garage soon. With the possibility of the 2025 Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV sitting outside during the winter 😅. Been our dream to have our CP9As in the garage together. Much as I want Mitsubishi to come out with another Evo. It's best to leave things as they are now. Also nice seeing the 3,8 and Eclipse in all Silver. Our Evos and Outlander are too! 😅

[@Habibi-dj7pj]

Lucky!😮

[@AmiAuts]

Wow 2 JDM Evos in a garage owned by the husband and wife 😮. Goals!

[@meh-nd5fi]

The PHEV looks nice too actually. Has a nice sumo look lol😅

[@marcbeebee6969]

She got a sister?

[@idokwatcher2062]

She'll divorce you and take your Evo 5.

[@GrumpyWolfTech]

I know everyone hates them, but I had a 4th gen eclipse gt. I loved the thing, had it up to around 180k miles until a shop broke the engine when working on it, and it just wasn't worth fixing at that point and they denied it. I would often race and beat similar cars like mustangs and other sports cars. Then of course they killed the eclipse and brought it back as a crossover which was a slap in every eclipse owners face.

[@grunkohlaktionar7474]

@@GrumpyWolfTech the 3rd and 4th gen Eclipses are underdogs. They're not as cool as the 1G and 2G, but they're still sports cars with quite a ton of power in the 3.8 V6 models. Reliability is also good, I think they are underrated and stand in the shadow of the first eclipses

[@carsaregood911]

@@grunkohlaktionar7474 Yeah sorry they're not sports cars whatsoever

[@grunkohlaktionar7474]

@@carsaregood911 of course they are, what else?😂 They have a ton of power, 263 hp in the V6, they look like one (good looks are obviously subjective), and they perform. They are FWD, yes, but so are others.

[@carsaregood911]

@@grunkohlaktionar7474 shit chassis, V6 is from a Galant/Pajero and has no sporty characteristics

[@GrumpyWolfTech]

@@carsaregood911 4th gen cornered great, no clue what you are talking about, did you ever even drive one? And don't tell me you drove a GS, those were crap. The automatic transmission was actually really good, especially for a 2006. I bet you were one of the mustang drivers that like to pull up to me and race then lose. 🤣

[@hEXordo]

Mitsubishi is doing what donut media would do if they were a car manufacturer

[@robertsothmann8110]

No Starion? No Mirage Turbo? No 1st gen DSM? No 300GT/Stealth? C'mon kids...

[@marcbeebee6969]

3000gt

[@Mk3TTRS]

If only they dedicated a whole video to the 3000gt or something like that on the channel

[@Ethan2xm85]

Man, I miss my old 4G61t Mirage, swapped to a 4G63t 6 bolt motor from a Gen 1 Talon. That car ripped!

[@christiandulaney1638]

My friend in high school had a red 3000GT. That car was so badass!

[@OnlyDominican]

Or any of the non American market offerings

[@bofa83]

the 97-99 eclipse was my dream car asa kid. its almost 30 years old and it still looks good.

[@christians131]

They are so iconic. I had two friends that owned clapped out na versions and both were super reliable

[@LuisCastillo-tg6xw]

Big same

[@mikelopez5214]

I might’ve just missed it in their other videos lately, but hell yeah to Donut bringing back the yellow ad bar at the bottom of the screen

[@no1washerezz]

probably the same thing as every other manufacturer. all these car enthusiasts say "omg what a great car... can't wait to buy it after 10 years in the second hand market." and combine that with the fact that these sportier cars are sold far less often, you get an overall stupid financial decision for manufacturers to make "cool" cars. not to mention the ongoing trend of older people typically being the only demographic with enough money to buy cars and what's the deal with older people? they don't want a low riding, stiffer than rocks suspension, extreme NVH sports car. they want something more quiet, comfortable, easy to use so why should manufacturers cater to a minority? they go out all their way to make a car that enthusiasts like, only to find out that they complain about anything and everything, and only 10-20% of this demographic actually has money to buy the car to begin with...

[@Jumbojet776]

I mean, I'd say it's more of a socioeconomic problem that car enthusiasts in their 20s - 30s can't afford sports cars new. How many of those younger enthusiasts do you know who can justify dropping 30, 40, 50k or even more on a new car? It's just sad...

[@no1washerezz]

@@Jumbojet776 i would agree. there's a lot of financial stress on those younger generations whether it is student debt, mortgage, marriage, entry level jobs, list goes on. hence why manufacturers don't cater to this minority and rightfully so.

[@warcrabcyber9908]

Exactly they expect Mitsubishi to make costly cars that sell in low volumes , even though the company was struggling financially. It's not very realistic. Not to mention, that there are strict emissions laws now in most countries , companies get fined when their emissions exceed a certain amount The way foward now is ev because counties like Europe are pushing petrol cars out.

[@danielzhang1916]

the same demographic that wants fancy trucks then complain about everything, and don't actually buy it in the end

[@MrCheckster2000]

Mitsubishi....best cars i ever owned. Had 3 and they all got over 350k miles.

[@shutdown8947]

💯

[@DaveTheDustoff]

Great vid. Am I the only one that noticed the Starion-shaped hole in it, though? One of my favorite 80's cars.

[@OutbackBob]

Owned a 2018 Outlander with S-AWC as a family run around and it was great. Have to sell the family cars in order to eventually get back to the performace market.

[@danielzhang1916]

they're not going back to performance, their 2030 plan is all electric SUVs

[@elchoronano]

The problem is money... Is always money

[@PlatinumNath]

Aside of that Mitsubishi also doesn't care about enthusiasts' cries nor understand the importance of a halo car or a sporty car to lure people into the showroom and take interest in other models rather than to make fat profit by itself, unlike Toyota, Honda, Mazda, Nissan and even Suzuki and Subaru (this might sound strange, but look at the WRX Sedan and rumors of STI version in works, BRZ, Swift Sport and Alto Works RS) who understands.

[@semicolon101]

@@PlatinumNaththe amount of uninformed in this post.

[@Dreezie]

@@semicolon101go ahead and inform us then

[@ukrainium_92]

@@PlatinumNathwhat do you mean they don’t care about enthusiasts? They did back in the ralliart days

[@PlatinumNath]

@@ukrainium_92 I mean it as in now post-Lancer Evo X days. Sure Mitsubishi still does rallies now but Ralliart is dead with no acknowledgement at all and their rally car is a tasteless crossover, a truck, and a fat van. No fire breathing sedans, no zippy hatchbacks, no wild supercar concepts like the 90s, just alot of "Oh great it's another Outlander/Xpander inspired SUV concept". Look it up, I'm not joking. Even Suzuki and Mazda with a smaller budget than most Japanese automakers don't do that kind of low.

[@GradyMikulski]

I own a Evo 1 GSR at 16, the Evo 1-3 are my dream cars. I am a Mitsubishi Manic, I love the Eclipse, the Starion, the Galant VR4, the GTO (3000GT), etc. I loved all of their sports cars, they were a contender with high quality technology back then and all of their cars were great. It makes me so depressed to see where they headed and I loved Mitsubishi since I was 2 That Scotia White Evo II GSR that James covered in Bumper 2 Bumper along with Group A and Initial D are some of the reasons why the Evo’s 1-3 are my dream car

[@drewbeta01]

My wife drives an Outlander, and it has been a really reliable car. My last car was a 2011 Outlander, and it was honestly a really well designed SUV for practicality. The Mitsubishi dealer tried to get us in the door to look at a new Outlander when my wife brought hers in for maintenance, and they were making some pretty tempting offers. We went in to talk about it, and apparently it was a big lie to get us in the door. They couldn't do anything much on Outlanders, but they were willing to give great deals on the Eclipse Cross! We walked over to look at one, and we were both like "nah, this thing is junk". We were so pissed off that they wasted our time. Also, I was just in Aruba, and there were really cool Mitsubishis all over the place. A lot of things that I've never seen before.

[@AlpineStudiosInc]

Im glad Jimmy is getting more screen time

[@incyphe]

@15:20 if you want to skip all the history lessons and just go straight to the new Eclipse SUV.

[@Henchman_Holding_Wrench]

As a 90s kid, I grew up watching the new Evos come out. Gran Turismo, initialD, whatever rally videos I could find when internet got faster. And then they discontinued the line right before I could legally drive... now I'm sad. At least the latest Eclipse has a manual hand brake. I miss those.

[@MrOvlov02]

the kids in this video were born 2007

[@KylesMBandCC1]

17:50 they also make airconditioners

[@AutobahnVault]

The saddest thing is that Subaru is following Mitsubishi's path of mediocrity.

[@thomasschlitzer7541]

Definitely!

[@KP0719x]

Yeah the new wrx doesn’t even have an sti anymore. It’s a gt or tr. I like the look of it though.

[@DeadAir21]

You mean sell cars that make money?

[@pollux2825]

Nobody cares about subaru the same way though. It doesn’t have the richness and heritage that Mitsubishi had. Mitsubishi WAS an enthusiast brand. Subaru has never been that they’ve always been ecobox focused and apparently gay focused as well from their advertising

[@Dominosssss]

Our school has this Mitsubishi fan box thingy at the top of the wall😂😂

[@CoolStefanlol]

The Mitsubishi Lan Evo 3 was featured in Initial D! Kyoichi Sudo's qoute on qoute with that car! Kyoichi Sudo: "A blown engine counts as a loss" or "A blown engine means instant defeat".

[@spider19728]

That was my favourite car to own!!

[@CoolStefanlol]

@@spider19728 🤩

[@bryanlolwtf04]

Lan Evos on Initial D were popularized as pricks and who can forget the "misfiring system" for the infamous Evo 3

[@MahadShahzad08]

​@@bryanlolwtf04 Well the writer of the show had a silver Subaru WRX GC8 (the same car that's owned by Bunta in the anime its blue and Manga it's the accurate grey color) so that explains it.

[@MahadShahzad08]

The Evo 3 and 4 were my favourite cars from the whole anime. It's also the reason I am a Huge Mitsubishi enthusiast currently owning a 92 Galant 🤟

[@jvuch426]

My mom has a 2018 outlander sel honestly it’s a good car the only issue was the brakes wore down quickly that’s about it

[@mkrestuarant]

19:04 Nolan. One thing you need to know. In Thailand. That Mistubishi Triton is not selling well. In fact it's even worse than previous gen. With all the engine defects. The reputation is even worse. A Mirage is now an old car. An Attrage is just a back box attach to a Mirage. And an Outlander PHEV is an old one put on sale overpricely and then flop. The only strong sales is a Pajero Sport(Or Montero) which is still not a Pajero. It's just a body put on top of a Triton(Strada) Chassis.

[@the80386]

wait, if pajero sport is a rebodied Triton, how come triton doesn't sell well due to engine defects but the pajero sport has strong sales?

[@mkrestuarant]

@@the80386 Pajero Sport is still on old model platform. Triton is now all new. But new Pajero Sport could be okay.

[@ChrisRobato]

@@mkrestuarant What's the problem of the 4N16?

[@warcrabcyber9908]

You are lying through your teeth There are no engine defects with the 4n16 triton The outlander phev is the highest selling phev in countries like australia

[@rachelbrinkley3240]

I have own a couple of cars powered by Mitsubishi. The first was a 1985 Hyundai Stellar and the second was a Eagle Talon

[@Inmyprime-eu7xn]

I've owned a TON of sports cars in my 53 years and my fave by far was my Mitsubishi 3000 GT.VR4. I still think about that car even moreso than the 2 Mustang GTs, 5 Corvettes, etc

[@asmrwolfofficial]

Mitsubishi really needs to bring back the Mitsubishi Eclipse, Lancer Evolution and the 3000 GT.

[@samuelgarrod8327]

Why would they bring back cars that people don't buy?

[@PlatinumNath]

​@@samuelgarrod8327 people might've not bought them, but they could serve the right purpose as a halo car or sports car that attracts customers to their OTHER cars. However Mitsubishi doesn't manage them correctly and also only sees them as profit/loss things rather than the fishing lure of customers.

[@Saltinator]

@samuelgarrod8327 no one buys the Current model Mitsubishis, so what's your point again?

[@Burnt_clutch89]

​@@samuelgarrod8327 People aren't buying these modern SUVs, if they came out with a high end sports car to compete with the supra and GTR called a 3000gt it would sell. The last Evo generation did bad, because they thought plastic intake manifolds were good ideas. Enthusiasts could see the quality dropping

[@genuinelyspoken6611]

​. Those cars dont bring in money if so then not alot, toyota can afford to keep the supra cause theyre the biggest manufacturer in the world. They have other cars they can profit from so they dont have to worry about those cars being a flop

[@BettyFisher-gy4sk]

The edits are on point, appreciated it!

[@peternap82]

I owned 1 Lancer, 2 Galant's, 1 Colt. Absolutely amazing cars, low costs and high reliability... Sadly they didn't had new interesting models. Today the Colt is a Renault Clio The ASX is a Renault Captur And this will keep going. Mitsubishi needs their founders back that loved rally sports and building amazingly reliable styled cars 🙏🏻 Thanks for the video 💪🏻

[@MrJamesshipman]

"rub a little fender" is now a euphemism. When used in a sentence. "the 4G6 is the kind of tuning engine that makes you (rub a little fender)"

[@sergeantunicorn8641]

Mitsubishi had it rough in th e 90’s taking on Toyota, Honda, and Nissan with fwd and going against Subaru with the awd side. Then the Japanese stock market really messed them up.

[@lordcorgi6481]

Mitsubishi was one of my favorite car companies of all time. I had a 99 Eclipse and a 2001 Eclipse and they were great cars. One of the best things was the aftermarket exploded after The Fast and The Furious came out. You could get 500+ hp for super cheap and blow the doors of just about any other car on the road at the time.

[@CaptainRazvix]

At least Subaru kept 1 (one) somewhat sporty car in their lineup

[@HarrisonNguyen-ri9mb]

Is this one sporty car, the WRX or BRZ?

[@FH4Player6397]

I miss the WRX STI.

[@CaptainRazvix]

@@HarrisonNguyen-ri9mb the BRZ, the WRX became more like an SUV disguised as a sedan

[@2007ghettonissanaltima]

​@@CaptainRazvix suv?

[@CaptainRazvix]

@@2007ghettonissanaltima tall body, boring, automatic transmission, basically an XV with a trunk

[@Onewheelordeal]

If I randomly won a fortune, I'd 100% daily a 3000GT VR-4

[@marcbeebee6969]

Yeah i remember when i was a little boy. There was one in rural Germany at the dealer in the used pile. It was like that scene when broan found that damaged car they fixed. I was so drawn to it. My mom did not understand. She a benz bmw or audi person. But i know from grand tourismo. Man that car was cheap back then. Also a supra i looked at with 18. But ibgot a bmw instead. What a mistake

[@2JRaz]

in the US they're actually pretty cheap still. only around 12k for a decent one. However if you want a 1999 VR4, that will cost about 3-4x as much because there are less than 250 99 VR4's still on the road.

[@ffaorlandu]

I flew to Denver and bought a Green 99 SL, drove it back 900 miles home! It's been my dream car since Gran Turismo on the PS1.

[@jdkatz00]

I owned a royal blue 94 VR4 for 4 years when I was younger. Bought it from a doctor who had it as a weekend driver, it had 35,000 original miles on it. White leather interior. AWD, All wheel steer, active aero, Electronic controlled suspension and exhaust. It was amazing. Had to sell it to go back to school, still regret selling it though. By far the best car I ever owned. Daily drove it every summer, parked it in the winter and drove a $500 beater haha.

[@2JRaz]

@@jdkatz00 thats awesome! I have a 1999 base, but I want to swap the front clip, rear wing and sail panels with a VR4 to get myself a '99' VR4 hahaha

[@supahbowla5418]

Totally awesome that Miguel let you guys borrow his DSM for the video!!! I recognized it was his the second I seen it

[@benitoloco899]

Donut, I'm really disappointed the 3000GT was not driven in this video, let alone there wasn't much of a segment on that car. With respect to the Evo and Eclipse, the 3000GT was Mitsubishi's pride and joy during the company's prime.

[@Kozo_Hoshino_]

Absolutely that was hella disrespectful! I owned a 92 VR4 and it was amazing

[@cullum73]

As someone who daily drives an early Evo sometimes when I'm near a newer Mitsubishi I just feel embarrassed for where the company has gone. I really hope they start pumping out some cool cars again.

[@BARDOCK550]

1999 Eclipse: sport coupe 2024 Eclipse: SUV AWD 2030 Eclipse: family RV 2040 Eclipse: 18 wheeler semi truck

[@SatongiFilms]

16:28 false, it has a positive battery terminal.

[@javigamer3607]

Yall are missing the 3000gt

[@mariagus805]

What the heck happened to Mitsubishi and Subaru! Mitsubishi turned the Eclipse in to a SUV and I recently learned my new WRX is built off a SUV (global platform so Ascent chassic, engine, and entire drivetrain front to back).

[@apollo7557]

Feels like a lot of car companies are loosing their soul, not ran by actual car people but accountants and suits. Even the cool cars with “race heritage” feel like they’re just a cash grab, taking advantage of car enthusiasts.

[@jeremyjohnson2129]

Cough Cough MK5 Supra Cough Z cars Cough

[@justbuggin67]

It like all the car companies in the world have hired the same design team and that team is just phoning it in. Some cars are just blobs with wheels.

[@danielzhang1916]

they're not going to make cool cars, not with the EV market competition and tighter regulations

[@DRsx4]

all car manufacterers make cars ACCORDING to market sales . its actually you lots fault that the evo and eclipse died . if you lots actually are a car enthusiasts , you all would continue buying the evo . but the truth is , the evo died , BECAUSE IT HAD LOW SALES VALUE . NO ONE IS BUYING THEM . SUV market is RISING LIKE CRAZY , which is why all car manufacterers are switching to suv models . they only car about business , if people wants suv then suv it is .

[@danielzhang1916]

they want the evo back but 99% of them would never actually buy it, these guys are in denial

[@Fay-Hen]

@19:25 it's a small pickup.

[@ilikeboom100]

Why does everyone need an suv? Most people just use them like vans with the added negative of me not being able to see past anyone in my normal ass car.

[@PlatinumNath]

Because people dont want to look like a lame dork in a minivan or proper van, which.... In my opinion, actually makes them more lame rather than cool for avoiding the rational choice of vans to do the job its better fit to do.

[@shutdown8947]

😂

[@Saltinator]

Women buy them on the purposes of sitting up high and having lots of room for shit.

[@dameiondarthard3878]

​@@PlatinumNathI've seen some sick clapped out minivans, they can make em seem sick especially with the sleeper engines they have

[@Saltinator]

And this stigma that minivans are "dorky" is exactly why cuvs exist. Pointless ass vehicles. Suvs I'll give a pass because those you can take off road if need be.

[@riongronberg1435]

I love how useless the beep is at 15:36

[@cotacreations2009]

was gonna say lol

[@MrIStartedTheFire]

Donut, you didn't fall off. You guys are doing good. I still love your content, and I think that it is still worth my time to get caught up.

[@JamesKislingbury]

I'm still carrying the torch. You'll pry me out of my 2004 Lancer ES.

[@bryanCLXT]

2011 outlander sport. 4b11. gonna slap a turbo on it rocking 108k miles

[@UncleTony2]

Man I got a 2003 Mitsubishi eclipse with 330k miles and still dives brand new I got it detailed looks exactly like how it looked in 03

[@bryanCLXT]

@@UncleTony2 i salute you. I'm bout to clean my shit tommrw have her mint cuz uncle Tony said so!!!

[@ametatsu]

Same

[@javiervazquezz]

I miss my 97 eclipse 🥲 it’s been 12 years… Now I’m 30 and drive a Raptor but I miss my DSM…

[@Hardworkpays209]

Me too man I had a 96 2ga gsx in the Celtic blue pearl they only ran that color in 96 and made like 3k of them. Was super rare to see. Went to meets for years and never saw another one in the same color. A lot of people don’t even know that color existed. Sad day when I got tboned going to a meet.

[@TheDaReel]

Nolan - YOU Sir are the only reason I still subscribe to Donut

[@opalhensley7566]

You never fail to surprise us!

[@TeamKiller6969]

My 91 VR4 was a joy to drive while it was driving :P

[@jeremyjohnson2129]

While it was driving ... spoken like a true DSM enthusiast!

[@TeamKiller6969]

@@jeremyjohnson2129 somone who knows :D

[@thomasschlitzer7541]

Don’t get too wild with the parts. Then she is reliable. But then again... Damn you Apexi 😂

[@cruisien1626]

That pictire of a 3000gt is of the model that was produced between 1992-94 for the european market. The standard bumper looks diffrent aswell as some other diffrences in parts.

[@Little_Dog664]

I remember in the early 2000s mechanics saying they hated working on Mitsubishis. They would say give me a Subaru, Honda or Toyota any day.

[@jeremyjohnson2129]

I would curse a lot working on my 1st gen eclipse, but in hindsight no different then really any other car of that era. That car was way easier to work on then most of them today. I could replace the alternator on my eclipse in 30 minutes in the parking lot, meanwhile my wife's Hyundai v6 requires you to remove the fender well and unbolt the ac compressor!

[@rogerwilco1777]

@@jeremyjohnson2129 ..yeah on a 3rd gen prius, to replace the headlight housing theres 3 bolts to remove each one.. 2 are easily accessable from the top, but of course that 3rd bolt is hidden under the bumper, so you gotta waste an extra 30mins or more and drop the whole front for that one stupid screw.. ..And to swap the spark plugs, you gotta take off the windshield wipers/motor and the 30 bolts holding the housing its attached too.. I had a 79 Malibu that blew its water pump a block from an auto zone once, and fixed it and the belt in under 30mins.. im gettin to old for this!

[@pnw_jordan]

Mechanics complain about every case they work on. I’ll never trust a mechanic’s opinion of a car.

[@warcrabcyber9908]

Subaru is the worse car to work on for a mechanic with those boxer engines. Even the current boxer engines are not that great , they burn oil like crazy Honda was also on a decline , the last gen crv had oil dilution and failed head gaskets, Mitsubishi current engines are much more reliable than subaru and honda

[@danielzhang1916]

@@pnw_jordan yeah all engines are basically standard now, mechanics just like to complain

[@Pete_Finch]

All Mitsubishi would have to do is come out with a proper Evo or Eclipse concept car (not some crossover bullshit) with likelihood of making production and people would care again, it's not rocket science

[@dawsongranger4940]

They’d do that and then nobody would buy it because sports cars don’t make money

[@jclouw321]

@@dawsongranger4940 It doesn’t have to. If Mitsubishi created a banging Evo (and sold a coupe version called the Eclipse), had it beat out the other hot econo cars like the Civic Type R, Elantra N, WRX/STI, Golf R etc. and sold it at a reasonable price but in limited quantities at first they’d sell fast. Yes it would likely be a Loss Leader (economic term I recommend looking up), but like Toyota has done for coming on 3 decades of loss leaders in the LS400, Lexus LFA and now GR corolla, the Evo/Eclipse would easily win over the enthusiast car market that’s been left dead in the water for decades and the surrounding hype would bring up sales across the brand’s fleet. The cars they do sell are fine now, they just need to get their name known for making good cars for both the enthusiast and casual crowd again.

[@faheemabbas3965]

Subaru discontinued the STi. It’s over sadly.

[@Pete_Finch]

@@dawsongranger4940 The point of sports cars/halo cars isn't to make money and never has been, it's to get people interested in the brand. Donut even did a whole video on this. They go into it knowing they will lose money, but be able to showcase their designs and engineering. A car company only interested in bean counting is one most of us will stop caring about quickly

[@cindysue5474]

It's a wonder they are still around never see any ads but they do make good AC units for Asia.

[@VidnToya]

Bring back the GALANT, Mitsubishi!

[@the_frankc]

You think Mitsubishi sales are bad? Fiat has sold 9,000 cars over the last 5 years in the US 😂

[@the_frankc]

@xMetalxNC yeah, but they've sold about 750 Fiats so far in 2024 in the US. They have to be losing money on that

[@RaveCoaster]

I didnt even know they dell fiats here in the US😆 granted I've only been here for 6years but i visited a lot of states and i have never seen fiats. Edit: Sell**

[@RaveCoaster]

@xMetalxNC im suprised the spider didnt sell well, its a good competitor for the Miata's. found a 15k miles on carmax for only $23k. is it not a good car?

[@marcbeebee6969]

Nio sold 3 cars last month in germany

[@stefanpetersons1878]

​@xMetalxNCIt's not Fiat group any more.. it's Stellantis has been for quite a few years now. Even more brands.. and most of them rubbish .

[@HNRichard]

Here in Asia Mitsubishi is still thriving thanks to the Triton pickup truck, Pajero Sport (Montero Sport in other markets), Xpander and XForce. So I guess it's gonna be alright for the mean time.

[@vrsbrazil]

Pretty sure they'll outlive Donut Media

[@WarriorsPhoto]

No company is what it once was. Mitsubishi will hopefully make some fun cars again. 😢

[@dude4057]

I had a 4G 2008 Eclipse for over 10 years as my first car. I always told myself I was gonna turbo it like every other teenager, but instead just did maintenance throughout the years and used my money elsewhere in life. Truly a great first car even if I couldn't go all out like a true JDM nerd. I always wanted a 2G, 3Gs were meh, EVOs and 350Z were out of the price range, so when the 4G came around I was going into my freshman year in high school and I couldn't be happier when I got one used my junior year (in part thanks to my dad and a job at Coldstone). There's some truly great modded 4Gs out there and there was a turbo kit I was interested in for awhile. The wheel wells were notoriously high up so it benefited from a lowered stance. Most body kits were too gaudy, but others really made the 4G light up like you're playing a Midnight Club or N4S game. It was never as agile as a Miata or as powerful as a 350Z but it was a great cruiser. It had its niche and I was a proud to have hit the 10 year mark with many memories in that car like first kisses, friends, road trips around the US, etc.

[@wuiss__._]

In europe the colt returned, as a clio rebadged, but returned, and its a clio so its a fun light funny car to drive, i was expenting for you guys to get it but seems like not, but yeah its the begining of the return of the cool cars

[@grunkohlaktionar7474]

Funny thing is, they sell more of those rebadges in Germany than Renault does 😂 better warranty and overall brand reliability

[@christopherpotomski8463]

And the new generation ASX (which is the RVR in North America) is just a rebadged Renault Captur. At least the ASX is no longer outdated. But because it's now a rebadged Renault Captur, it's not coming to North America as a next gen RVR. I'm sure the RVR got discontinued in North America after 2021.

[@guidolauer6505]

Well shit, I own a mitsubishi Outlander and i really love it. It's nice to have something reliable next to the shit boxes.

[@shutdown8947]

💯

[@semicolon101]

It is part of the shitboxes hey. Also have an Outlander sport, what donut doesn’t get is that these are the bread and butter cars that actually male they money, if the base is sorted they can yet again start to pursue some exciting vehicles that sells 1 for every 100 appliances. Maybe im a shit box but the appeal of these crossovers are small, easy to use family cars that are uncomplicated and reliable. It doesnt come close to our A3 in terms of quality feel and ride, but why am i having sleepless nights about the audi being out of maintenance plan next year?

[@guidolauer6505]

@@semicolon101 actually, I have the 2016 outlander phev and it’s a bit boring with all its features, but it’s comfy and reliable. Far from a shitbox, now my Land Rover. Series 3 that’s a whole different story. Haha

[@wc4109]

I still remember drooling over the Eclipse GST/GSX early 90s… was the best looking sports coupe with its big rear wing, and it worked… saw quite a few on the streets during its heyday… Today the Eclipse Cross is butt ugly, and nowhere near as capable, forget sports coupe, but even as a crossover…

[@grunkohlaktionar7474]

They're really successful in Germany. Way more than Honda or Nissan

[@thomasschlitzer7541]

Not really. At least I don’t see many in NRW

[@grunkohlaktionar7474]

@@thomasschlitzer7541 they are. You just have to look at the numbers. Mitsubishi sells double or more cars than Honda

[@thomasschlitzer7541]

@@grunkohlaktionar7474 yeah, I wonder where though. I really don’t see them on the roads.

[@grunkohlaktionar7474]

@@thomasschlitzer7541 I see them all the time. Haven't seen many new Nissans or hondas yet. Eclipse Crosses are everywhere