DOUBLE steam at Crewe, before the FIRE and BAN!!!! 16th July 2022

[@holmesjunction]

Well done Harry for getting that angle (your dad would never get up again if he did it)! Very busy on the platforms again and no consideration for others. That's partly why I gave up chasing locos at stations. Great shots and a lovely bit of 'controlled slip' on the Duchess - just like a diesel but visible.

[@philclarke3203]

Thanks. Haha very true, I'd still be down there. No I don't like platforms, for the few inconsiderate ones.

[@pauljones401]

Some really innovative shots there Phil given the circumstances. Superb. And the reason we started talking. They are almost tribal those noises from the steam engines. Super sounds! Paul

[@philclarke3203]

Many thanks Paul. Yes, you have to pick your spot carefully, with that many people about. I usually try to stay back and use the zoom, but then there is the risk, someone will step in front.

[@paulaisbitt1180]

Great footage. At 4.00-4.10 looked like we had a steam powered Thunderbird!😆

[@philclarke3203]

Thanks Paul. Haha, yes my thoughts too. 😀

[@davidroberts5602]

Thanks phill that was amazing watching all the beautiful 🚂 coming and going David 🙏🇬🇧❤️👍🚂

[@philclarke3203]

Thanks David. Glad you enjoyed it. 😀👍👍

[@tattoo1084]

Great action Phil. Nice to see both at Crewe. A very busy day at the station.👍

[@philclarke3203]

Thanks David. Yes, as busy as expected, due to DRS open day 👍

[@liamsrailwayadventures1482]

I was on the Cheshireman Railtour great video pal

[@philclarke3203]

Many thanks Liam 👍

[@swearingkevo]

Nice vid , I was there also you were stood about 30 feet from me on the morning departure, vid coming soon

[@philclarke3203]

Thanks Kev. Sorry, I missed you..., again, but it was abit crowded

[@richardswiderski4985]

Great video Phil and Harry nice day for it .Good to see her back where she belongs.

[@philclarke3203]

Thanks Rick. A lovely day for it. Shame how it ended though, with all the trouble it caused near Stafford 😢

[@richardswiderski4985]

Yes no more steam for a but now.

[@hellmutschneider2931]

Superb vid! Congrats Phil!

[@philclarke3203]

Many thanks Hellmut

[@peterfarrington3702]

A very good video compilation, what I would like to know is why the Duchess and others have to drag a stinking 47, wheel driven generators can be fitted to each of the coaches for lighting and other electrical requirements. The 12 coaches is well within the capacity of the duchess and Coronation class of loco. I personally think the skinned Spam-Can was an unnecessary distraction, it didn't belong on LMS lines.

[@cwmbc]

i believe its to do with line safety. steam locos have to have a second power unit incase of breakown on the mainline track. once on heretage libes. they are no longer mandatory. ;)

[@peterfarrington3702]

@@cwmbc I can remember in the early days of diesel loco's steam engines had to be called out many times to rescue the diesel.

[@philclarke3203]

Thanks Peter. The Diesel is mainly for backup in case of a breakdown and to help with reversing moves at the stations.

[@ianjones4116]

@@philclarke3203 I'm glad the 47 is there,,, after all,,, Kettles are very very Fragile ,,, !! Never heard of a 47 causing a field fire 😁😂😂👍👍👍👍😎

[@AndreiTupolev]

I love the hardcore steam enthusiasts who've hated diesels ever since the 1960s and by golly they're going to continue to hate them. The stinky stinkbox is for shunting of the train and to provide assistance if required (as proved to be the case here)

[@barrythedieselelectricstea5217]

excellent shots of duchess of Sutherland and British india line neither have we seen in Kent both always go up north never south east I missed India from Victoria last year now they've put a ban on Steam next week not a problem for Kent all we've had is the flying scotsman in March after 50 years and clanline so far

[@philclarke3203]

Thanks Barry, hope you get more there soon.

[@WillJoleys]

I was on the North Wales Coast Express when I was supposed to have British Indian Line

[@philclarke3203]

Abit of a disappointment, hope you still made the most of it?

[@WillJoleys]

@@philclarke3203 i did thanks

[@stephenwilliams1269]

very enjoyable vido, great work Thank you for sharing.

[@philclarke3203]

Thanks Stephen, my pleasure

[@michaelbenton4117]

Nice to see the younger generation chasing steam trains. I agree with holmesjunction some people have no consideration for others. Great video all the same.

[@philclarke3203]

Thanks Michael. It is. And alot of the time it's the older generation who have no consideration?

[@lescarpenter162]

Michael, my thoughts entirely. It warmed the cockles of my heart to see the youngsters enjoying the sight and sound of a steam locomotive. I am 76, from an age where as kids we believed (and still do) that each steam locomotive was a real living thing with hisses and grunts especially on the slight incline to my local station. They will never witness however the glory days of steam when there were so many steam locos on the rail network and thundering through the station at high speed. What a wonderful thing the early enthusiasts did and now passed onto new generations, without them there would be no steam locos for the youngsters to watch and admire, THANK YOU doesn't seem to be powerful enough words, the time and money involved so precious.

[@philclarke3203]

@@lescarpenter162 wonderful words Les, and very true. We desperately need the younger generations enthusiasm, and hard work to keep steam alive into the future.

[@scottthompson7605]

Does anyone know where Duchess of Sutherland turns around before heading back to Crewe?

[@philclarke3203]

Turns on the triangle at Chester

[@allanegleston4931]

good stuff. so sorry about your fires.

[@philclarke3203]

Thanks Allan 😥

[@ianjones4116]

Nice shots of The Duff 👍👍😎

[@philclarke3203]

Just for you Ian 😜😄😄

[@ianjones4116]

@@philclarke3203 cheers Phil, much appreciated. 👍😎

[@howardmiao5150]

I managed to see the Duchess of Sutherland yesterday at Nuneaton just as they were attaching a Diesel to it.

[@philclarke3203]

Glad you saw it

[@howardmiao5150]

@@philclarke3203 I’m not because it meant the train I was meant to be getting was cancelled!

[@philclarke3203]

@@howardmiao5150 oh yes, I heard of all the chaos, sorry to hear you were caught up in it.

[@howardmiao5150]

@@philclarke3203 I managed to get home alright after doing the TPE Sheffield diversions, the last 317 to Liverpool Street and some big chunks of the East Coast and Midland Main Lines, but it meant an expensive taxi to Rugby. I wanted to go back via Penistone, but it got too late.

[@philclarke3203]

@@howardmiao5150 good that you got the last 317, but bad news on the taxi fare

[@37418]

Another Excellent Video mate That I managed to get on haha 😄

[@philclarke3203]

Thanks Kev. Haha, it's becoming regular. 😀👍

[@37418]

@@philclarke3203 Yeah Haha But we have a chat Next time haha

[@kellyashfordtrains2642]

There's a Santa Special video on my channel. I'm sure you and Harry would love to watch it, as the train is top and tailed by a Class 26 Diesel and a J94 saddle tank engine the other way round.

[@philclarke3203]

Thanks Kelly, we'll have a look, nearly went last Sunday, but didn't feel too well. Hoping to go for a mince pie. 😊🤞

[@paultaylor9652]

👍From me, thanks for sharing👍

[@philclarke3203]

Thanks Paul 😀👍

[@steventhornton4716]

The 47 shines up nice

[@tango6nf477]

If I had paid the small fortune to travel on one of these trains and found myself sitting at the rear of the rear coach right next to a noisy 47 I would have demanded a refund. Its a pity they cant just start up if needed as the sound of the steam engine is part of the experience.

[@johnhatton1117]

In days past steam was barred from beneath the wires because it was believed the exhaust would damage the wires. Steam was still allowed in parts, and 'where necessary' but there was always the risk of flashovers from fireirons etc coming into contact or close to the wires - hence the small white 'electric flash' plates as reminders. .

[@Palkia792]

I saw a clip earlier this year of Duchess and there was some explosion on the overhead wires when she passed under. I couldn't believe saw that.

[@philclarke3203]

@@Palkia792 yes I saw that too 😬

[@philclarke3203]

Still seems a bit risky, with all that steam close to the high voltage wires?

[@bostonrailfan2427]

@@philclarke3203 not really…it’s not condensed so it shouldn’t cause issues

[@philclarke3203]

@@bostonrailfan2427 yes I understand that. Its just the thought of it near to electric lol

[@vlu855]

Didn't see a double of head of steam. What is the ban?

[@briancjohnson]

Fire ban due to the 40C+ heatwave. Steam locos can easily ignite lineside fires.

[@johndavies1090]

It didn't say 'double headed', just double.

[@Northerner_Transport_Hub]

What time did 35018 arrive??

[@philclarke3203]

About 16.30

[@johndavies1090]

I am seriously puzzled. I grew up beside the Trent Valley main line in steam days, before the wires went up. Once they did, steam was banned south of Crewe, because is was too dangerout 'under the wires'. So how is it that it isn't now? (Engines had a yellow diagonal stripe on the cabside to indicate the prohibition.) In those days, the p/way gangs would either patrol the lines watching for lineside fires, or carry out controlled burnings on the batters.

[@johndavies1090]

And to think I used to see those beautifuil racehorses every single day as a child. Take me back to 1958!

[@johnnew3096]

Locomotives have had their boiler fittings amended by cutting back the length of some of the protruding bits so that the risk of flashovers is reduced to what is considered an acceptable risk.

[@philclarke3203]

Thanks. True. As John, below says, plus, I suppose experience has probably realised it is now safe.

[@AndreiTupolev]

I think BR was excessively cautious or, if you want to be conspiratorial, did it so that there'd be no chance of steam replacing a failed electric, which would be embarrassing. They were still very reluctant to allow steam under the wires even in the 1970s, which was why steam wasn't permitted over the Settle & Carlisle for a long time

[@johnnew3096]

@@AndreiTupolev it was only some classes, not a total ban in the “not south of Crewe” era. Your point though probably has some grain of truth within it.

[@ozmac8695]

Nice video. Shame about the ban though. Does the diesel at the back push it along or only used in breakdown situations?

[@cwmbc]

normally only used on inclines or if the main power unit looses power for any reason.

[@46115al]

Seldom used on inclines!

[@philclarke3203]

Thanks. As below, usually only pushes, if needed. Mainly in case of breakdowns and station moves /reverses

[@46115al]

@@philclarke3203 Then would it not be the correct thing to say in your 'leading comment' that the 47 .weighing 120 tons+ is being dragged therefore, eliminating all foolish comments

[@thebrummierailenthusiasts5329]

I believe steam are not permitted to run in temperatures of 40c because of the lineside fires

[@philclarke3203]

No, all stopped for now

[@thebrummierailenthusiasts5329]

@@philclarke3203 yeah for 2 days Monday and Tuesday and then by Wednesday it will cool down

[@bostonrailfan2427]

and yet high temperature diesel and electric trains are fine?

[@James_Rivett]

I Suspect steam on the mainline has not had to operate in temperatures of 40 Celsius before. I sure as hell wouldn't want to have been on the footplate today, it was unbearable, not everyone remembers the crew. what is interesting is often Notwork rail likes to blame steam for lineside fires, but its often found later on to be another cause altogether, but currently everywhere is tinderbox dry and it don't take much to get a fire going.

[@James_Rivett]

@@bostonrailfan2427 I wouldn't ask that for some of the poor sods trying to get between Norwich and London today, you might hear a few rude words lol.

[@andrewpayne9255]

I was on it we had a good start from Euston but a sad end finish.

[@stephenhinds4216]

What happened

[@philclarke3203]

Yes, a sad end, but not surprising, due to the tinder dry conditions

[@philclarke3203]

@@stephenhinds4216 started a line side fire near Stafford. Caused chaos for following trains. The Duchess was taken off at Nuneaton, and diesel took over

[@timchalk6810]

The state of the tracks with al that vegetation it's no wonder there was a fire

[@arthurgrowler5749]

Strange decisions on the platforms for the steam workings. Gather they reversed back into 12

[@philclarke3203]

Yes i heard there was a points failure holding the pendo in 12. Caught me out, when it reversed back in, but at least I saw the departure, due to our 350 being late

[@arthurgrowler5749]

@@philclarke3203 nice one Phil 👍

[@GWRailFan]

looks like crewe could do with a fire, clear all the greenery on the track XD

[@philclarke3203]

Haha, certainly needs something doing with it.

[@kopynd1]

amazing there almost human

[@philclarke3203]

Thanks 😀

[@thebrummierailenthusiasts5329]

That’s both of them meeting up at Crewe

[@philclarke3203]

Indeed, friends reunited

[@thebrummierailenthusiasts5329]

@@philclarke3203 yeah even though carnforth has 35018 and butterley had 6233

[@WillJoleys]

Well done Harry for getting that angle (your dad would never get up again if he did it)! Very busy on the platforms again and no consideration for others. That's partly why I gave up chasing locos at stations. Great shots and a lovely bit of 'controlled slip' on the Duchess - just like a diesel but visible.

[@philclarke3203]

Thanks. Haha, yes I'd still be down there. Yes, too busy for comfort, some just don't care as long as they get there shot

[@WillJoleys]

@@philclarke3203 k