DOUBLE steam at Crewe, before the FIRE and BAN!!!! 16th July 2022

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Phil Clarke

Phil Clarke

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@holmesjunction
@holmesjunction 2 жыл бұрын
Well done Harry for getting that angle (your dad would never get up again if he did it)! Very busy on the platforms again and no consideration for others. That's partly why I gave up chasing locos at stations. Great shots and a lovely bit of 'controlled slip' on the Duchess - just like a diesel but visible.
@philclarke3203
@philclarke3203 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks. Haha very true, I'd still be down there. No I don't like platforms, for the few inconsiderate ones.
@pauljones401
@pauljones401 2 жыл бұрын
Some really innovative shots there Phil given the circumstances. Superb. And the reason we started talking. They are almost tribal those noises from the steam engines. Super sounds! Paul
@philclarke3203
@philclarke3203 2 жыл бұрын
Many thanks Paul. Yes, you have to pick your spot carefully, with that many people about. I usually try to stay back and use the zoom, but then there is the risk, someone will step in front.
@paulaisbitt1180
@paulaisbitt1180 2 жыл бұрын
Great footage. At 4.00-4.10 looked like we had a steam powered Thunderbird!😆
@philclarke3203
@philclarke3203 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks Paul. Haha, yes my thoughts too. 😀
@davidroberts5602
@davidroberts5602 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks phill that was amazing watching all the beautiful 🚂 coming and going David 🙏🇬🇧❤️👍🚂
@philclarke3203
@philclarke3203 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks David. Glad you enjoyed it. 😀👍👍
@tattoo1084
@tattoo1084 2 жыл бұрын
Great action Phil. Nice to see both at Crewe. A very busy day at the station.👍
@philclarke3203
@philclarke3203 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks David. Yes, as busy as expected, due to DRS open day 👍
@liamsrailwayadventures1482
@liamsrailwayadventures1482 2 жыл бұрын
I was on the Cheshireman Railtour great video pal
@philclarke3203
@philclarke3203 2 жыл бұрын
Many thanks Liam 👍
@swearingkevo
@swearingkevo 2 жыл бұрын
Nice vid , I was there also you were stood about 30 feet from me on the morning departure, vid coming soon
@philclarke3203
@philclarke3203 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks Kev. Sorry, I missed you..., again, but it was abit crowded
@richardswiderski4985
@richardswiderski4985 2 жыл бұрын
Great video Phil and Harry nice day for it .Good to see her back where she belongs.
@philclarke3203
@philclarke3203 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks Rick. A lovely day for it. Shame how it ended though, with all the trouble it caused near Stafford 😢
@richardswiderski4985
@richardswiderski4985 2 жыл бұрын
Yes no more steam for a but now.
@hellmutschneider2931
@hellmutschneider2931 2 жыл бұрын
Superb vid! Congrats Phil!
@philclarke3203
@philclarke3203 2 жыл бұрын
Many thanks Hellmut
@peterfarrington3702
@peterfarrington3702 2 жыл бұрын
A very good video compilation, what I would like to know is why the Duchess and others have to drag a stinking 47, wheel driven generators can be fitted to each of the coaches for lighting and other electrical requirements. The 12 coaches is well within the capacity of the duchess and Coronation class of loco. I personally think the skinned Spam-Can was an unnecessary distraction, it didn't belong on LMS lines.
@cwmbc
@cwmbc 2 жыл бұрын
i believe its to do with line safety. steam locos have to have a second power unit incase of breakown on the mainline track. once on heretage libes. they are no longer mandatory. ;)
@peterfarrington3702
@peterfarrington3702 2 жыл бұрын
@@cwmbc I can remember in the early days of diesel loco's steam engines had to be called out many times to rescue the diesel.
@philclarke3203
@philclarke3203 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks Peter. The Diesel is mainly for backup in case of a breakdown and to help with reversing moves at the stations.
@ianjones4116
@ianjones4116 2 жыл бұрын
@@philclarke3203 I'm glad the 47 is there,,, after all,,, Kettles are very very Fragile ,,, !! Never heard of a 47 causing a field fire 😁😂😂👍👍👍👍😎
@AndreiTupolev
@AndreiTupolev 2 жыл бұрын
I love the hardcore steam enthusiasts who've hated diesels ever since the 1960s and by golly they're going to continue to hate them. The stinky stinkbox is for shunting of the train and to provide assistance if required (as proved to be the case here)
@barrythedieselelectricstea5217
@barrythedieselelectricstea5217 2 жыл бұрын
excellent shots of duchess of Sutherland and British india line neither have we seen in Kent both always go up north never south east I missed India from Victoria last year now they've put a ban on Steam next week not a problem for Kent all we've had is the flying scotsman in March after 50 years and clanline so far
@philclarke3203
@philclarke3203 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks Barry, hope you get more there soon.
@WillJoleys
@WillJoleys 2 жыл бұрын
I was on the North Wales Coast Express when I was supposed to have British Indian Line
@philclarke3203
@philclarke3203 2 жыл бұрын
Abit of a disappointment, hope you still made the most of it?
@WillJoleys
@WillJoleys 2 жыл бұрын
@@philclarke3203 i did thanks
@stephenwilliams1269
@stephenwilliams1269 2 жыл бұрын
very enjoyable vido, great work Thank you for sharing.
@philclarke3203
@philclarke3203 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks Stephen, my pleasure
@michaelbenton4117
@michaelbenton4117 2 жыл бұрын
Nice to see the younger generation chasing steam trains. I agree with holmesjunction some people have no consideration for others. Great video all the same.
@philclarke3203
@philclarke3203 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks Michael. It is. And alot of the time it's the older generation who have no consideration?
@lescarpenter162
@lescarpenter162 2 жыл бұрын
Michael, my thoughts entirely. It warmed the cockles of my heart to see the youngsters enjoying the sight and sound of a steam locomotive. I am 76, from an age where as kids we believed (and still do) that each steam locomotive was a real living thing with hisses and grunts especially on the slight incline to my local station. They will never witness however the glory days of steam when there were so many steam locos on the rail network and thundering through the station at high speed. What a wonderful thing the early enthusiasts did and now passed onto new generations, without them there would be no steam locos for the youngsters to watch and admire, THANK YOU doesn't seem to be powerful enough words, the time and money involved so precious.
@philclarke3203
@philclarke3203 2 жыл бұрын
@@lescarpenter162 wonderful words Les, and very true. We desperately need the younger generations enthusiasm, and hard work to keep steam alive into the future.
@scottthompson7605
@scottthompson7605 2 жыл бұрын
Does anyone know where Duchess of Sutherland turns around before heading back to Crewe?
@philclarke3203
@philclarke3203 2 жыл бұрын
Turns on the triangle at Chester
@allanegleston4931
@allanegleston4931 2 жыл бұрын
good stuff. so sorry about your fires.
@philclarke3203
@philclarke3203 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks Allan 😥
@ianjones4116
@ianjones4116 2 жыл бұрын
Nice shots of The Duff 👍👍😎
@philclarke3203
@philclarke3203 2 жыл бұрын
Just for you Ian 😜😄😄
@ianjones4116
@ianjones4116 2 жыл бұрын
@@philclarke3203 cheers Phil, much appreciated. 👍😎
@howardmiao5150
@howardmiao5150 2 жыл бұрын
I managed to see the Duchess of Sutherland yesterday at Nuneaton just as they were attaching a Diesel to it.
@philclarke3203
@philclarke3203 2 жыл бұрын
Glad you saw it
@howardmiao5150
@howardmiao5150 2 жыл бұрын
@@philclarke3203 I’m not because it meant the train I was meant to be getting was cancelled!
@philclarke3203
@philclarke3203 2 жыл бұрын
@@howardmiao5150 oh yes, I heard of all the chaos, sorry to hear you were caught up in it.
@howardmiao5150
@howardmiao5150 2 жыл бұрын
@@philclarke3203 I managed to get home alright after doing the TPE Sheffield diversions, the last 317 to Liverpool Street and some big chunks of the East Coast and Midland Main Lines, but it meant an expensive taxi to Rugby. I wanted to go back via Penistone, but it got too late.
@philclarke3203
@philclarke3203 2 жыл бұрын
@@howardmiao5150 good that you got the last 317, but bad news on the taxi fare
@37418
@37418 2 жыл бұрын
Another Excellent Video mate That I managed to get on haha 😄
@philclarke3203
@philclarke3203 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks Kev. Haha, it's becoming regular. 😀👍
@37418
@37418 2 жыл бұрын
@@philclarke3203 Yeah Haha But we have a chat Next time haha
@kellyashfordtrains2642
@kellyashfordtrains2642 Жыл бұрын
There's a Santa Special video on my channel. I'm sure you and Harry would love to watch it, as the train is top and tailed by a Class 26 Diesel and a J94 saddle tank engine the other way round.
@philclarke3203
@philclarke3203 Жыл бұрын
Thanks Kelly, we'll have a look, nearly went last Sunday, but didn't feel too well. Hoping to go for a mince pie. 😊🤞
@paultaylor9652
@paultaylor9652 2 жыл бұрын
👍From me, thanks for sharing👍
@philclarke3203
@philclarke3203 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks Paul 😀👍
@steventhornton4716
@steventhornton4716 Жыл бұрын
The 47 shines up nice
@tango6nf477
@tango6nf477 2 жыл бұрын
If I had paid the small fortune to travel on one of these trains and found myself sitting at the rear of the rear coach right next to a noisy 47 I would have demanded a refund. Its a pity they cant just start up if needed as the sound of the steam engine is part of the experience.
@johnhatton1117
@johnhatton1117 2 жыл бұрын
In days past steam was barred from beneath the wires because it was believed the exhaust would damage the wires. Steam was still allowed in parts, and 'where necessary' but there was always the risk of flashovers from fireirons etc coming into contact or close to the wires - hence the small white 'electric flash' plates as reminders. .
@Palkia792
@Palkia792 2 жыл бұрын
I saw a clip earlier this year of Duchess and there was some explosion on the overhead wires when she passed under. I couldn't believe saw that.
@philclarke3203
@philclarke3203 2 жыл бұрын
@@Palkia792 yes I saw that too 😬
@philclarke3203
@philclarke3203 2 жыл бұрын
Still seems a bit risky, with all that steam close to the high voltage wires?
@bostonrailfan2427
@bostonrailfan2427 2 жыл бұрын
@@philclarke3203 not really…it’s not condensed so it shouldn’t cause issues
@philclarke3203
@philclarke3203 2 жыл бұрын
@@bostonrailfan2427 yes I understand that. Its just the thought of it near to electric lol
@vlu855
@vlu855 2 жыл бұрын
Didn't see a double of head of steam. What is the ban?
@briancjohnson
@briancjohnson 2 жыл бұрын
Fire ban due to the 40C+ heatwave. Steam locos can easily ignite lineside fires.
@johndavies1090
@johndavies1090 2 жыл бұрын
It didn't say 'double headed', just double.
@Northerner_Transport_Hub
@Northerner_Transport_Hub 2 жыл бұрын
What time did 35018 arrive??
@philclarke3203
@philclarke3203 2 жыл бұрын
About 16.30
@johndavies1090
@johndavies1090 2 жыл бұрын
I am seriously puzzled. I grew up beside the Trent Valley main line in steam days, before the wires went up. Once they did, steam was banned south of Crewe, because is was too dangerout 'under the wires'. So how is it that it isn't now? (Engines had a yellow diagonal stripe on the cabside to indicate the prohibition.) In those days, the p/way gangs would either patrol the lines watching for lineside fires, or carry out controlled burnings on the batters.
@johndavies1090
@johndavies1090 2 жыл бұрын
And to think I used to see those beautifuil racehorses every single day as a child. Take me back to 1958!
@johnnew3096
@johnnew3096 2 жыл бұрын
Locomotives have had their boiler fittings amended by cutting back the length of some of the protruding bits so that the risk of flashovers is reduced to what is considered an acceptable risk.
@philclarke3203
@philclarke3203 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks. True. As John, below says, plus, I suppose experience has probably realised it is now safe.
@AndreiTupolev
@AndreiTupolev 2 жыл бұрын
I think BR was excessively cautious or, if you want to be conspiratorial, did it so that there'd be no chance of steam replacing a failed electric, which would be embarrassing. They were still very reluctant to allow steam under the wires even in the 1970s, which was why steam wasn't permitted over the Settle & Carlisle for a long time
@johnnew3096
@johnnew3096 2 жыл бұрын
@@AndreiTupolev it was only some classes, not a total ban in the “not south of Crewe” era. Your point though probably has some grain of truth within it.
@ozmac8695
@ozmac8695 2 жыл бұрын
Nice video. Shame about the ban though. Does the diesel at the back push it along or only used in breakdown situations?
@cwmbc
@cwmbc 2 жыл бұрын
normally only used on inclines or if the main power unit looses power for any reason.
@46115al
@46115al 2 жыл бұрын
Seldom used on inclines!
@philclarke3203
@philclarke3203 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks. As below, usually only pushes, if needed. Mainly in case of breakdowns and station moves /reverses
@46115al
@46115al 2 жыл бұрын
@@philclarke3203 Then would it not be the correct thing to say in your 'leading comment' that the 47 .weighing 120 tons+ is being dragged therefore, eliminating all foolish comments
@thebrummierailenthusiasts5329
@thebrummierailenthusiasts5329 2 жыл бұрын
I believe steam are not permitted to run in temperatures of 40c because of the lineside fires
@philclarke3203
@philclarke3203 2 жыл бұрын
No, all stopped for now
@thebrummierailenthusiasts5329
@thebrummierailenthusiasts5329 2 жыл бұрын
@@philclarke3203 yeah for 2 days Monday and Tuesday and then by Wednesday it will cool down
@bostonrailfan2427
@bostonrailfan2427 2 жыл бұрын
and yet high temperature diesel and electric trains are fine?
@James_Rivett
@James_Rivett 2 жыл бұрын
I Suspect steam on the mainline has not had to operate in temperatures of 40 Celsius before. I sure as hell wouldn't want to have been on the footplate today, it was unbearable, not everyone remembers the crew. what is interesting is often Notwork rail likes to blame steam for lineside fires, but its often found later on to be another cause altogether, but currently everywhere is tinderbox dry and it don't take much to get a fire going.
@James_Rivett
@James_Rivett 2 жыл бұрын
@@bostonrailfan2427 I wouldn't ask that for some of the poor sods trying to get between Norwich and London today, you might hear a few rude words lol.
@andrewpayne9255
@andrewpayne9255 2 жыл бұрын
I was on it we had a good start from Euston but a sad end finish.
@stephenhinds4216
@stephenhinds4216 2 жыл бұрын
What happened
@philclarke3203
@philclarke3203 2 жыл бұрын
Yes, a sad end, but not surprising, due to the tinder dry conditions
@philclarke3203
@philclarke3203 2 жыл бұрын
@@stephenhinds4216 started a line side fire near Stafford. Caused chaos for following trains. The Duchess was taken off at Nuneaton, and diesel took over
@timchalk6810
@timchalk6810 2 жыл бұрын
The state of the tracks with al that vegetation it's no wonder there was a fire
@arthurgrowler5749
@arthurgrowler5749 2 жыл бұрын
Strange decisions on the platforms for the steam workings. Gather they reversed back into 12
@philclarke3203
@philclarke3203 2 жыл бұрын
Yes i heard there was a points failure holding the pendo in 12. Caught me out, when it reversed back in, but at least I saw the departure, due to our 350 being late
@arthurgrowler5749
@arthurgrowler5749 2 жыл бұрын
@@philclarke3203 nice one Phil 👍
@GWRailFan
@GWRailFan 2 жыл бұрын
looks like crewe could do with a fire, clear all the greenery on the track XD
@philclarke3203
@philclarke3203 2 жыл бұрын
Haha, certainly needs something doing with it.
@kopynd1
@kopynd1 2 жыл бұрын
amazing there almost human
@philclarke3203
@philclarke3203 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks 😀
@thebrummierailenthusiasts5329
@thebrummierailenthusiasts5329 2 жыл бұрын
That’s both of them meeting up at Crewe
@philclarke3203
@philclarke3203 2 жыл бұрын
Indeed, friends reunited
@thebrummierailenthusiasts5329
@thebrummierailenthusiasts5329 2 жыл бұрын
@@philclarke3203 yeah even though carnforth has 35018 and butterley had 6233
@WillJoleys
@WillJoleys 2 жыл бұрын
Well done Harry for getting that angle (your dad would never get up again if he did it)! Very busy on the platforms again and no consideration for others. That's partly why I gave up chasing locos at stations. Great shots and a lovely bit of 'controlled slip' on the Duchess - just like a diesel but visible.
@philclarke3203
@philclarke3203 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks. Haha, yes I'd still be down there. Yes, too busy for comfort, some just don't care as long as they get there shot
@WillJoleys
@WillJoleys 2 жыл бұрын
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