Herald Randoms Broodmother, Chaos ensues

[@jasonbrown680]

Lewis: "We've missed out on eight minutes of mid Broodmother Daf!" *The camera immediately cuts to Joe with his head in his hands*

[@swagg926]

Never played dota in my life but for whatever reason I LOVE scrub dota. This and pyrion's tuesday inhouses have really been helping me make it week to week.

[@tannermattingly4462]

Feels bad for Daff. Actually ended up doing well this game, but it didn't matter because the other two lanes went so terribly due to his teammates misplays. Hope he tries more Brood, seems like he enjoyed it.

[@AMeanGecko]

The problem I tend to find in dota (not exclusively it seems to affect this whole genre of games) Is that the game has very little telegraphing for what is or isn't good in a moment to moment basis. I have played Dota and League on and off over the course of about 10 years now, and neither of the are very clear about when you are doing well or when you start hitting the wrong notes. In the case of dota, pair the above with a bunch of salty teammates that are only sticking it out because the team can't tap out and concede, makes for a very rough time for everybody.

[@ReunionMana]

I mean, he repeatedly forgot he had certain items and didn't use them when he should've, costing his team many times over, but yes, he did really well mid in the beginning.

[@tannermattingly4462]

@@ReunionMana Sure he had some unforced errors late game, but Radiant had won this match 5 minutes in. The only thing keeping it close was the power of Herald throwing.

[@Isanion]

@@tannermattingly4462 I love playing Brood and Daf did make quite a lot of mistakes with her. Can't blame him as he doesn't play her, and even PFlax didn't seem to notice a lot of them. Biggest consistent issue was forgetting that Brood's single most powerful aspect is the freemovement in webs. You don't want to walk up stairs and along paths, you want to web up the space you're about to fight in and then attack from cliffs, trees, etc. Force of habit had Daf walking along paths a lot of the game. That and a lot of fighting outside of the webs: he never had any charges ready to throw down on a fight so he was fighting with a big reduction in damage and survivability.

[@Pseudonym660]

I think the most common issue for low-level players like Daff, is that they lack the gamesense to know what to do in that scenario. After he won his lane, Daff most certainly didn't help his team out in theirs, nor did he help the aggro Weaver. Weaver was an absolute psychopath, but with some investment, could've been a useful psychopath in the late game. At 10:28, Daff was the strongest in the game, being ridiculously over leveled, so he had no real business staying in his lane at that point. Alternatively, he could've looked to help Huskar carry, or if he didn't trust either of them, build a farming item to try to out-lategame the other team. Every single player on Dire probably had an opportunity like this to save the game. But they didn't.

[@zemsmacguffin9037]

After almost 7000 hours in this game, scrub dota is still best dota

[@veliustactics9133]

Part of why a lot of people Smurf. It's an entirely different game when you get into the tiers where everyone has a base level of competence that you just don't see in Scrub Dota. Some just do it to noob stomp, but others just enjoy the less sweaty environment where you don't have to worry about looking like a gibbon because EVERYONE is a gibbon there.

[@CJbrotherComedys]

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[@Jebu911]

@@veliustactics9133 Meh 99% of people smurf because they suck at their "own" rank and are big pieces of shit and want to go try and ruin other peoples balanced games for their own entertainment.

[@archer1088]

Glad to see Daf actually getting praised this game, he played pretty well and they had a solid shot at winning even in the late game if that Weaver did'nt bail

[@TheAngryTrapezoid]

Joe: "Playing as a team! We like to see it" Meanwhile, Daf: "I got a double kill, I'm a god"

[@Arksimon2k]

Great content lads. I feel bad for Daff, he played really well. He's actually giving me the confidence to try Broodmother.

[@pearcedechamplain4132]

Im an immortal player and watched this live. If your going to play brood here is my best suggestion, After you take the mid tower (or bot if you play offline), farm their jungle! not your own. That part is incredibly important. you have like 9 webs so you can only cover half the map, if you take their mid tower you have super easy access to their big jungle and if your farming it it means their mid, safelane, and pos 5 cant farm it. additionally it doesn't steal the "safe" farm in your teams jungle and allows you to pressure the t1 bot with 3 heroes very early and you can even leverage it into a t2. And best of all if they come to kill you run. if they chase you are making "space" aka time they aren't trying to kill your carry so great job! hope this helps

[@pearcedechamplain4132]

Also just had to laugh at the constant use of spiderweb

[@jakehawke8196]

Daff: "Why does the ranked match-making continually put me on a team of brainless gibbons!?" I have some bad news for you, Daff...

[@jfolz]

It's the brain lag, isn't it?

[@TarinaxTheDestroyer]

This is the biggest fault I find with the Dota community. If Daff spent half the amount of time thinking about what he could do better instead of flaming something he can't control(team mates) he would be out of the trench by now.

[@Keysler]

Look forward to this every Monday!

[@KingOfHarems]

God, I love brood. No one really understands that she can just mess you up with that lifesteal. Though I do miss the old Brood where her ult was the hunger, and she would gain like 200 damage and like 100% lifesteal, and people would always die underestimating that ult

[@FrickinLoveSteak]

Old invis brood was so much fun. Solo offlaning and just watching my spiderlings devour every support in seconds. She just ain't the same anymore. :(

[@KingOfHarems]

@@FrickinLoveSteak the good old days

[@LilyHooper]

Daff is really improving to a visible degree. Its great to see him being the one making proper calls and knowing when he messed up.

[@stanleyyelnats297]

God this has quickly become the highlight of my week, along with pyrions inhouses

[@hellomynameisjim]

The best cut of the season at 17:05, well done.

[@piegumplays9059]

sadly the biggest issue in dota really is just teammates that give up

[@loglog7]

I haaaaaaaaated monkey king when he was first released. As soon as he got phase boots all he had to do was auto something 4 times and his stick slap did 600 damage. Fucking stupid bullshit. Then again I was one of the people using Arc Warden on release and doing the Midas tp boots and rapier crap.

[@klempaj1140]

lmao love how it took them 10 minutes to realize a whole hero was missing from the game.

[@dragoonleashing3641]

The amount of editing and effort that goes into these is amazing, fantastic job lads

[@mattcarriere]

There's a lot of gaming in this video.

[@Antlover420]

The cuts between daf and joe to p flax and lewis are amazing

[@WYKlaure]

Please Pyrion get a pro to watch one of these games. I really want to see a pro weeping at the horror of herald.

[@goldcreeper7376]

Pretty sure this already happened in the old scrub dota from years back, you should really watch these matches if you haven't already

[@WYKlaure]

@@goldcreeper7376 I think I watched them all. I dont recall a pro watching them, I might be wrong, I will check them later.

[@TarinaxTheDestroyer]

If you are looking for similar content, caster and ex b team pro Jenkins also casts herald pubs. Trying to promote Dota here not other channels don't hate.

[@AndrewArmstrong]

oh god the "how many whaaat?!" at 17:00 is real comedy

[@jameseden9380]

Still enjoying, still suck at Dota. Keep the gold coming boys, it's top tier content.

[@HAXMINATOR]

That resigned Lewis at the end when he says he's bad enough to play in the Inhauses xD

[@grandpoohbah7497]

9:55 Joe proving that Meta is designed for those who believe in meta to get so scared of meta as to make it self prophesizing. META IS FOR FOOLS.

[@xOverCharge]

I think "HP for max bonus" means the HP huskar needs to be at to gain the most stats from Berserkers blood as the ability says Max attack speed and max str regen. so lvl 1 when at 10% of his hp he has +160 attack speed and +20% regen.

[@batcat4136]

I’ve never seen Broodmother before but Daff did pretty good! Not perfect, obviously, but on this occasion he’s actually somewhat valid in blaming the team. And when the Weaver gives up before the games finished I feel like I can’t really complain about anyone else

[@matsh5633]

Daf started as MVP but dissolved towards the end while the weaver was the exact opposite. Radiant team had 5 carries. Wild game.

[@Crazy21Cal]

39:55 did Daf just tp to the tower that he was standing next to?

[@gotenks5633]

35:45 that hood is a menace! she basically killed all 3 of em!

[@sproot7461]

52 minutes lads? You (Or Daff?) spoil us

[@ReunionMana]

I love Broodmother, looking forward to some more games with her potentially?

[@Madhopsss]

Absolute opposite opinion within A WEEK about hoodwink with a Gleipnir. Literally with the same two heroes as well (Legion Commander with Hoodwink).

[@Gachimon2000]

Whenever I watch these games. It brings back so much memories on how much I hated playing this game yet I played it daily for hours. So many people playing with only half their brain activated somehow.

[@TheEmptyAir]

Daf noping out at 19:48 is the funniest shit to me.

[@natgordon442]

Every dota player blames their team mates, while their team mates are blaming them. The way it's always been.

[@kazzar831]

Daf did so well as Brood. Great job Daf!

[@ChrisTay229]

Happy Daf gives me hope for the world

[@alecolson8360]

Lol I love seeing Joe and Daf in the sweaty pit

[@adasdadd.252]

11:28 sanity's eclipse does damage based on max mana, not current

[@Killercoldice22]

i laughed so hard when lewis asked do they not know if MK is there? Pyrion MK doesn't even know hes tthere!

[@biandel977]

Love to see Daff doing well, hate to see Daff being toxic

[@mehiskortel6435]

the amount of times pyrion says BKB is insane

[@VeggeMight]

"The lack of awareness on these lads" 2 casters don't see the carry afk for like 5min.

[@Frequenterable]

Go Daf! What a heartening end to the video.

[@snookergaming6295]

Good first 15mins from daff, the rest of the game he fed, and got no farm.

[@xamv2344]

I feel like Daf really needs to learn how to split push, seems to be the only way to win a 1v9 at this level :D

[@sommer4570]

What terrain is that

[@toxic_cowZ]

weaver afk would have made me internally scream my brains out lol

[@McKillaboy]

I have no idea what's going on, but I love this.

[@C0wb0ybetting]

WE’RE GAMING!!!

[@bibsp3556]

I played broodmother as my second game, and I have some cool stuff for it. Its a pretty cool hero, i had a lot of fun with it on the odd games I use it.

[@iLOVEJDD]

YEAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH I LOVE SCRUB DOTA WHOOOO!!!!! YEAH!

[@aethernaut1899]

WE'RE GAAAAAAAAAAAAMIN

[@johnwea8670]

I love siding with Pyrion on all of his insights despite never having played the game and definetly being worse than one of these guys myself

[@AW-zu4kk]

Daff calling people brainless when he try to 1v3 on enemy's high ground, not using his active items and has his ultimate on cd. Sounds legit

[@gee3161]

Cheers Bois and Joe

[@crownoswriting898]

That music at the end XD it ain’t right

[@MrTroves]

I feel like it's a bit short sighted to say that Daf wasn't a factor later in the game. I'm pretty sure a lot of why Dire did so well was because of him. Sort of like how the other team rallied around Legion, the parts of Dire that were worth a damn rallied around Daf's Broodmother.

[@krumpits]

Ive not played Dota 2, went from OG dota to league when it came out so my memory is a bit off. But in OG Dota i remember bounty hunter just getting extra gold on kill, was it always steal player gold on hit or is that new in Dota 2? Cause jesus that feels like such a bullshit mechanic lol

[@Arksimon2k]

Its relatively new even for Dota 2. It's annoying but it's not a massive drain of gold you'd think it is. He's very vulnerable while he does it so it's mostly pot shots.

[@gunnar1746]

It's a low cooldown single strike at max level. And it is less gold than it seems. But yeah thats pretty new like the other reply says.

[@krumpits]

Ah okay I thought it was every attack, still a pretty annoying mechanic but less insane that I thought! Thanks for the info lads

[@FiaraGC]

Love these. I would love to try and play but I cannot for the life of me understand how to shop and move items from courier to me etc. I just don't get it. SO PFLAX if you wanted to make a 'noob guide to basics of DOTA' we'd appreciate it.

[@willdazey7368]

No real idea what I'm watching here... but I though Huskar was a fighter who wants to be low on health. Yet every single time I saw Huskar, they were running away at 20% health. Shouldnt they turn and fight? I hardly ever saw Huskar attack anything. Doesn't he have some sort of built in lifesteal?

[@alecolson8360]

Great edits

[@FlyingJustToFall]

Surprised no one mentioned OD's name. I thought it was quite funny xD

[@VeggeMight]

I think Lewis is right ,its a lift.

[@WealthBeyondMeasure]

> gets broodmother > doesn't skill web until level 4 > spams webs onto the same spot on the map > "why do I keep getting matched with brainless teammates?!" Never change Daff

[@TheZombiemofo]

You don't need to have a full mana pool for OD's Sanity's Eclipse. The damage goes off your max mana pool, not how much mana you have at the time. It's a badly worded tool-tip, which Dota is unfortunately full of.

[@Torcalie]

I loved watching noobs play dota! It was the only game I played from closed beta to 2017. Funny stuff to see what newer players do

[@andyglen]

My lasses back doors are gonna get hammered while watching this

[@Deniecu]

Daff = Gibbon

[@SnowflakeVee]

It's absolutely a lift

[@Robertus__]

is daff just sending them replays where he reckons he played amazing and his teams awful or is joe chosing the replays?

[@JoeHickson]

We just find some of the fun games to watch. We actually don't cast games where daf stomps as they're kind boring haha

[@ricohard1986]

Buy Dust. If I could offer you only one tip for the future, Dust would be it. The long term benefits of Dust have been proved by scientists whereas the rest of my advice has no basis more reliable than my own meandering experience. I will dispense this advice now

[@TheSurrealWolf]

Chi Pu, everyone get adding and spamming

[@sind4953]

what happened? why's daf suddenly actually farming

[@sind4953]

nvm proceeded to throw everything and calls team brainless pogU

[@mtgrabbitwizard1679]

how many waaa!

[@jackawaka]

I enjoyed the casting for the first half and almost would reccomend this for new players, but halfway through it just sort of devolves into yelling at the players

[@MrKevecool]

Where is Sips?

[@Deunstephe]

On twitch, on the Triforce Podcast, doing what he does.

[@henrykirby9972]

pyrion how do you justify hating ogre magi's that go first item aether lens? It's literally the top item build done by pro players in pubs on dota2protracker, what on earth do you know that makes you think it is bad?

[@piegumplays9059]

i mean they usualy have a good plan or set up went they get it this game ogre stunded for a farder range and legion just purged them off

[@leetri]

Just because pros do it doesn't mean it's automatically good all the time. You can't apply high level strategies and builds to low skill players, it's simply a completely different game that requires a different approach.

[@TarinaxTheDestroyer]

Don't remember Pyrions exact comment but it is hard to hate on a first item aether lens for any support. Cast range keeps supports alive. I'd much rather see that than what most pub Ogre normally does, buy hand of Midas and take safe farm/ not build other support items.

[@henrykirby9972]

@@leetri If you can't apply the strategies that have been demonstrated to most consistently and reliably win games more often than lose them then pray tell what strategy are you going to apply?

[@leetri]

@@henrykirby9972 Again, you're talking about a completely different game. What works for pros have absolutely no bearing on what works for these bottom of the barrel ranks. Pyrion wants the supports to buy items to help their team instead of rushing greedy items and then just do nothing all game because they keep dying. It doesn't matter if you're 0/30/0, if you have a Force Staff you can still help your team and save your carry. Having a slightly longer range doesn't matter if the enemy keeps jumping you. There's so, so, so many moments in these scrub casts where they've lost fights because no one had any saving items and just kept getting picked off.