The only way to deal with a Smurf

[@gandalfragehammer139]

I don't even play DOTA and never plan to, but listening to these two gab about it is honestly my favorite series currently

[@wzrdmgk562]

I used to play when it was a WC3 custom game, tried dota2 but felt so lost, but I also enjoy this series!

[@trevorheal1431]

Same

[@daddysempaichan]

It's fun watching people talk about something they're passionate about, even if you don't fully understand them.

[@MsArchitectschannel]

I play League every now and again so i understand most of the concepts but these videos are sooo good at secretly educating you about abilities, combos, things to watch out for. and i think 80% of that is in the editing, it's fun and exciting with some good advice but there"s corrections etc. on top of that with the in game videos over-layed on top which just puts it above so much content out there!

[@danielbroadhurst1319]

Completely agree, don't think I will ever play but absolutely love this series.

[@100Peterll]

Incredibly satisfying to see that Tinker finally get shut down, really thought Daf's team was going to lose up until that point, gg Daf, gg.

[@Jebu911]

Its truly satisfying to see a smurf tinkerer get curb stomped.

[@Deunstephe]

It's been a while since the VOD that I genuinely forgot how this game turned out - I can't believe how excited I was watching them crush that Tinker smurf. Absolutely loved to see it and see Daf grow within one game of Dota and make a huge turnaround for the team.

[@AndrewArmstrong]

Man this game was so good to watch Live. Glad Pyrion and Lewis were pretty fair on Daf this because he actually did pretty damn well

[@aethernaut1899]

That fight at 44:00 was incredibly satisfying. Well done, Daf.

[@PolarEclipse]

There is no doubt in my mind that the people who actually play tinker are using scrips/macros when they play him (not everyone but a lot). Tinker seems like the only hero where someone can press every button at once and people go "thats just tinker" instead of going "hmm, kinda sus that this player who have 5 fingers managed to press 5-6 buttons at once frame perfectly every time." The difference in my experience between a good tinker player and someone who hits everything frame perfect on repeat is enormous.

[@Kavser]

with quickcast its really not that hard

[@Ikkalyzte]

I'd believe he wasn't if it was just during fights (definitely muscle memory is possible), but he was doing it every time for no reason

[@BunzJackson]

Yeah, not using every item every time doesn't really mean anything. He could have just had a few different buttons that do different combos. If he fucked up even once or the timing was ever slightly off it would look much more legit, but it was perfect every single time.

[@Ihileath]

@@Ikkalyzte Doing it constantly does help gives you vision to make sure nobody is lurking nearby. This fuck was definitely a smurf.

[@Ihileath]

@@BunzJackson It wasn't perfect every time.

[@slimek20]

That was a beautiful game and such a good story of a team coming together, realising what they need to do to achieve victory and defeat Tinker.

[@zacmorton5103]

Pyrion with that closing comment was great, “That’s why you never give up! Never give up!” Love that.

[@golgomotas]

The naked undying walking around at 29:33 like some sort of weird cryptid made me laugh for no good reason.

[@100Peterll]

21:00 The look on Joe's face lmao

[@DeltaEntropy]

“… yep. Mmhm…”

[@stetsodon6459]

I legit burst out laughing at that and my cats looked at me like I'm a loon

[@piegumplays9059]

yeah i have to agree to the scripting(Cheating) mostly on how he uses it even if u have the mental memory to nail it every time u still dont use it randomly intro the enemies Hight ground tinker wasn't good there was 3 locations were he blinked in and found out he didn't had mana to continue no tinker smurf would go in knowing fully well u cant even kill the hero and u risk going close for it his first death is literally him jumping intro danger with out mana! like if this enemies were just a bit more brave like the bara he woulda died, multiple more times just because tinker ran him self out ammo constantly and intro bad spots

[@twickdaddy8767]

good point. Can't shift queue on CD so it's definitely a script. Not to mention, it sometimes only seemed to fire the shivas if creeps/enemies were in the aoe.

[@Kmikko91]

Tinker is most certainly scripting, has a macros for different set actions. One macro allows him to blink and use all his items and ult, another macro for blink, rocket, refresh and etc.

[@Khrayfish]

Absolutely. It's frame perfect without fail. Macros aren't even a bannable offence anyway though... Unless you're in the tournament lmao

[@ironhammer500]

@@Khrayfish They are, under overwatch things are the end it says any 3rd party programs so macros count.

[@Robertus__]

looks like hes just shift queuing or spam clicking

[@piegumplays9059]

agreed if u look closely before they pointed out the scripting u can see tinker blinking in with out mana or simply blinking intro lazering enemies that will 100% live the shots only puting him self at risk if dazzel didint save him then half of his deaths would been to blinking intro a cm ultimate and grave

[@skrrtle360]

I'm just watching all his items getting used at the exact same time lol.

[@MattyMead2006]

There are videos you put on in the background and then there are videos you watch with rapt attention in the foreground. Lewis and Pyrion Cast Scrub Dota is ABSOLUTELY a video series you watch in the foreground, giggling and whooping all the while. Please never stop this video series, my beautiful lads.

[@ivantumanov1015]

He is scripting he just misses the macro button sometimes.

[@darthseal5936]

Joe called that Tinker being an asshole. Seeing him go down was one the best moments in scrub dota.

[@happyhatebot]

Cheers lads, for doing these. I miss a good MOBA, but Pyrion and Lewis do a good job documenting the *raw* amount of unmitigated, weapons-grade faff that Dota 2 is built on and charmingly kill any desire I have to try it out myself. While still being worth watching every week BECAUSE of the way they talk about it. Also a headpat for Daf for letting himself get dragged through the mud every time. You'll get there, mate, no worries! Iterate on failures until you succeed!

[@ChaZcaTriX]

29:30 When I used to play TInker I turned on the instant cast option, it immensely simplifies rapid casting.

[@Tbos92]

This is one of the greatest games that you guys have done so far, absolute joy to watch!

[@Lvl-7-Dratini]

I really wish they made more than one episode a week, these are so entertaining to watch

[@ARCH1V3S]

What pyrion failed to realize as to why tinker keeps spamming shivas is because it gives vision, so each time he blinks not only is he dealing damage, he's also gaining vision for potential enemies.

[@Frequenterable]

SUCH an exciting game! Thought we were doomed to another distressing Daf loss this week - loved where this went!

[@10415marco]

Tinker WAS scripting, the blink shiva's combo was just too fast and you can't shift queue those items since they are mostly on cooldown when you channel rearm and you can't shift queue items that are on cooldown. He has to press it the moment rearm ends and for this it was just too fast

[@coast2coast00]

You can shift queue when they are off cooldown though.. you can queue through a few cycles in advance right?

[@10415marco]

@@coast2coast00 I guess you can shift queue cycles ahead but then you need to know in advance where you are going to blink shiva everytime I doubt he would shift queue 4 or 5 cycles just blinking in the fog of war. Pretty sure this is just scripting

[@Verklompen]

Daf: I did good! Joe: yep. (sips coffee) mm hmm.

[@dinkledan9040]

That Bot lane fight was so satisfying, Daf and Bara ganging up on Tinker while the rest of the team fight 3vs4. Great turnaround

[@Imwritingthisnotefrombeyondthe]

Oh man, such a great game to watch. From the Tinker stomping with macro to him losing the big fights, what a great feeling.

[@HAXMINATOR]

Most of Tinker's spell either doesn't have a cast point, or has a rather low one, so the Arcane Blink's cast point reduction isn't really worth it on him.

[@drewpeacock9087]

It used to be great as it worked on Rearm but hasn't for a while now as that counts as a channel now.

[@dowfreak7]

Strength also gives you more time if you do happen to get caught out and the slow from the blink helps enable all your other skills.

[@nunyabiznes7446]

Undying is way more effective against non-strength heroes. It doesn't matter that they also lose attack damage, Undying wants their strength as close to 0 as possible and that's harder against enemies with a larger pool.

[@piegumplays9059]

undying is top spectre conter for that reason spec wants to be beefy to return damage but undying just literaly tanos awey his hp with no reward for spec

[@sevenpolar3483]

why? Isn't strength reduction just flat damage?

[@piegumplays9059]

@@sevenpolar3483 nope the spell does flat damage but the life you lose is a chunk of hp if spectre reduces half the damage and sends back 10% then the enemies have to have about 15% more hp than or they will just stright up die by hurting spectre if specter hp is lowered then specter will die easy and enemies hero's will survive and kill her

[@Mo-z]

That tinker was suspicious af, and I dont know if skipping a farming item on jugg is a thing now but it drives me crazy when I see people do it. Especially against a spectre, just taking a huge risk there.

[@DarrowAran]

Love them Flax shoutouts at the end, it’s great to here comments on the unknowing plebs!

[@johnwea8670]

Fantastic game, the highs and lows made it a great watch!

[@KenshinRyuzaki]

Much more fun watching DotA with the lads instead of taking the pressure onto yourself playing the game. Side note: hard disagree with Pyrion @ 4:54 there. SB and Undying are an absolute ballache to deal with as a melee carry. Undying decays, right clicks then just spams soul rips at level 3 onwards. Spiritbreaker can contest as soon as Spectre comes up towards the creep wave with that good ol' 17%. Unfortunately, our herald player here just skilled up wrong. Don't really want to use tombstone at low levels since it's almost always just free gold for the enemy team.

[@Carter12151]

That was really awesome to watch, keep these up!

[@swagg926]

It's 1 am. I've just gotten home from work. And here's some scrub dota just in time to help me relax. Bless.

[@Whiteliger1]

21:02 might be the funniest interaction of the series.

[@bibsp3556]

Best series on youtube, and holy gamer gods, Daff is gaming. Smurfs aint nothing.

[@alexeithetakodachi9823]

what a comeback!!! WERE ABSOLUTELY GAMING!!!!

[@aripocki]

51:37 Lewis literally repeats what Pyrion says Pyrion: Jug did exactly what he needed to do. Well done. Lewis: And Jug also did exactly what he needed to do.

[@totallyathome]

Sad no shout-out at Daf at the end. Hahahaha I'll shout out to Daf! You're a gamer!!

[@stanleyyelnats297]

Daf is getting better. Keep it up lads

[@gotenks5633]

37:05 that SB broke my heart...he was nearly a hero

[@dodde216]

I played against tinker and spiritbreaker on the enemy team yesterday.. Very fun combo

[@ritenger87]

Please never stop making these vids v_v They're so fuckin' good. It's a magic recipe of Daf's gameplay, Joe's coaching and editing, and Flax/Lewis' sometimes awry but always entertaining commentary.

[@iLOVEJDD]

YAYYYY SCUB DOTA!!!!! YAYYY!!!

[@Niiiiiichhuuutee]

I hate scrub dota 😡😡😡😡

[@Naishell1]

daf tipping that goon made my day

[@aripocki]

Goddamn that win at the end was straight out of a movie

[@loglog7]

I think technically arcane blink is better but as someone who played tinker at a mid level, there is no way in hell I could keep up with that speed of casts. He is 110% smurfing though.

[@aleksiahti3307]

whenever this tinker is on screen the kira piano theme starts playing in my head

[@Lucas-gt8en]

The tale of genuine heroism we all need right now

[@aswedishvampire7293]

Daff's "Lets go barbie girl scoot scoot" got me bad

[@DrewTheTigerGamer]

was the audio just a little bit delayed from the gameplay on this one? or do lewis and pyrion just have terrible reaction times haha

[@jayphillips4167]

To answer Lewis, I always ban silencer. He counters everyone and is so strong from level 1, I have zero fun whenever there's an enemy silencer

[@VictorrineAurum]

I think the timeless relic pickup and the aghs for huskar was great for that fight. The timeless relic increased the debuff duration of the taunt from huskar's aghs and as Joe said, "He's forced to attack you now, he can't rearm" so he was FUCKED as he couldn't pull out of that fight by rearming, shielding himself and blinking out.

[@Agent86th]

28:00 When pyrion doesn't play Tinker with queue button KEKW

[@serenityindeed]

That tinker is genuinely terrifying

[@wolffang209]

That was amazing love this series my fav right now

[@gee3161]

Good job lads and Joe

[@C0wb0ybetting]

We’re gamin’. Love it Daff

[@SirDeathproof77]

when did they get rid of march on tinker?

[@Ganunbrar]

Not sure if you're reading this Joe, but could you use a dark background after the game in stead of white? It hurts my eyes as I'm dumb and watch in the middle of the night. Please take my stupidity into account!

[@JoeHickson]

Aight

[@TheOzTurkish]

The top lane tinker clip on dotacinema is legitimately terrifying

[@Fig93Jam]

Huskar can just get aghs to lock the tinker down right?

[@josephchambers4509]

never played dota, love this series!

[@dolwota2nd]

if you remember to set the skills + item in quickcast and shift + buttons, he can do it instantly KEKW

[@Siobio420]

There are probably a ton of these comments but just in case: they recently changed the pause rules, you can no longer pause until a player has died once on either team. so dazzles team could not pause when he died at the beginning.

[@TheTezmaster]

These make my day

[@whiffboy]

"Lets go barbie girl scoot scoot"........amazing.

[@SpaceDroplet]

Brilliant editing so I understand

[@cavalyn]

It's ironic that despite LoL having such a bad rep, back when I played sometimes ppl would - as a legit strat - stand still and let you hit them to pretend they were dc in the hopes you would take pity and back off - and that it actually WORKED a lot of the time. Plenty of times I would honestly dc, come back and the guy has chosen not to kill me, or an enemy dc's and I'd chose to go easy on them (no pause in lol outside tournaments, etc) and people were genuinely pretty well mannered about it all. Then there's this. xD Tbf I realise this is low-prio queue where the toxic and the abandoners go or something, so I know this isn't exactly the place to see the well mannered side of dota

[@CapOfXav]

It don't think it was low-prio.. Just a standard Herald game

[@tamhiding036]

I suspect part of this comes from the difference in the balance of the games and impact of kills and such. Dota feels like there's a lot more moving parts that make a single kill early in the game far less impactful than it can be in LoL (based on my admittedly very old memories of the game, but it seems like it's gotten faster since then so perhaps that's more true now). Since there's less of an impact on the game for being a dick, there's less of a sportsman-like desire to keep the game "fair".

[@Sunodasuto]

Lol I would do it as support in bot lane to bait their botlane into fights I knew we would win.

[@Isanion]

Am I crazy, or is the commentary out of sync with the gameplay? 11:58 it's quite noticeable that they're a couple of seconds behind whats happening.

[@christo8663]

That undying was a legend

[@toivosilvennoinen8540]

Best game yet, amazing match

[@twelvesevven4678]

Wondering what people's thoughts are on the "can't pause before 4 minutes" rule. I like it, myself.

[@Kavser]

literally every game used to start with a pause so I think its nice

[@Robertus__]

audio desynced early on but i think it gets fixed later

[@TheBugB]

Oooooh helllllooooooo welcome back!

[@SGz_Eliminated]

Tinker is an egregious hero, you already need excellent reaction time to play Dota but fighting against tinker it has to be even quicker. You have upto 1 second to find him and click your spells on him or he's just gone.

[@paulcallaghan2876]

Is there a separate channel with Jo and Daff?

[@doubledragon]

you can watch the Joe and Daf Vods on the Yogs Live Channel :)

[@mozzy207]

It's actually happened lads, I've started playing Dota. Only bot games so far though, actual people are scary 😅

[@skrattzerat5831]

as a SB spamming position 4, him not focusing Tinker was making me so mad lol.

[@AcceptTheNull]

The team with a glimmer won, nuff said.

[@darknecromancer34]

Only way? Rage quit at 5 minutes so he will not gain dopamine.

[@klempaj1140]

Is it just me or is Pflax's commentary 2-3 seconds late? Feel like they don't have their video in sync.

[@Gunandrunandgun]

Yeah, at some points the commentary felt a little delayed. Not the whole time though.

[@Arksimon2k]

Amazing! Genuinely awesome game to watch, I was popping off when Daff got the life breaks on Tinker. This was almost theraputic. Fuck smurfs.

[@Reveletur]

Fucking making my Monday morning

[@legatelaurie]

Apart from the Tinker's build and button pushing I don't think they did anything that spectacular. Often they TP'd to pretty suboptimal positions and I don't think their game sense was that good either. I don't think they were a smurf, they probably just watched a guide and followed what to build and what buttons to press closely, and at this level that's really rewarded. I don't think it's that extraordinary.

[@jimvanwesterop9320]

I mean maybe, but even just following a guide that well is beter the players at this level can do

[@legatelaurie]

@@jimvanwesterop9320 That's a good point, lol. Hell, Daf has a coach and still plays pretty awfully (although watching him without coaching is way more fun)

[@nandakumarchandrasekhar6964]

love the videos.. focus commentary a lil on support and warding and money spent and money lost due to death! good stats for noobs to work on!

[@Lpens]

I thnk with the tinker instant shivas that looks sus. THe player probably used shift click

[@gotenks5633]

wait they got rid of march of machines on tinker!? this is blowing my brain o.O

[@toxic_cowZ]

i LOVE huskar top lad.

[@ColossalDave]

Tinker is my go-to ban

[@VeepoGames]

You can’t pause if a player disconnects pre game anymore it doesn’t let you..

[@Falcons8455]

undying is the biggest counter to spectre in lane lol.

[@Valkorn367]

You can't pause before min 3 or something around that.

[@tatukahara6200]

Audio in this is a bit out of sync it seems. Just me?

[@gotenks5633]

5:12 so pyrion is full of shit here gang, Undying is top tier offlane right now just like SB. Is this an EASY offlane to win with two melee? Of course not, but offlane isnt about easy its about aggression. Undying is my main man, wont hear words against him like this

[@kazzar831]

WE'RE GAMIN!

[@hainsay]

he didn't have to be smurfing or scripting, could just be queueing.

[@AimYTYT]

undying was playing great

[@GinjaLeviathan]

PLEASE PLEASE, can we get a we're gaming t-shirt

[@sproot7461]

I used to hate mondays not anymore

[@jackreddicliffe8739]

Gotta ban Anti-mage every single time