DOUGLAS MURRAY | The Price Of Thinking Out Loud | Modern Wisdom Podcast 109

[@ChrisWillx]

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[@rolandraphael9087]

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[@rafaelismael7928]

@Roland Raphael instablaster =)

[@rolandraphael9087]

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[@rolandraphael9087]

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[@rafaelismael7928]

@Roland Raphael Happy to help xD

[@nickthomas7844]

Thomas Sowell pretty much nailed it with "Nobody is equal to anybody, even the same man is not even equal to himself on different days"

[@NikhileshSurve]

@Nick Thomas Absolutely! He's very smart. I too have believed for years now that no 2 individuals are equal. When feminists talk about man & woman needing to be equal I wonder if there are even 2 women who are equal to each other. Of course, the only real equality that can exist is legal equality i.e. making laws that are applicable to every individual regardless of the categories they may belong to.

[@xxdrleek10]

@@NikhileshSurve you do NOT understand feminism. Feminists do NOT want to be equal to men (except legally have equal rights) that bar is much too low. Male propensity for violence is nothing to aspire to.

[@NikhileshSurve]

@@xxdrleek10 Sure whatever you say.

[@TheTrevelyansway]

You don't want the higher suicide rates and forced military service part either?

[@louisoost121]

@@xxdrleek10 except when they are to be dedended or need to go to war?

[@gauguin007]

One of the most lucid public intellectuals we have at the moment.

[@ChrisWillx]

He’s the real deal

[@johnhudson5414]

Strange, I just hear well elecutioned fascism

[@johnhudson5414]

@Boaty McBoatface no buddy, all I hear is an emboldened far right intellectual class feeling safe lifting the veil on their xenophobic ideology

[@ingridbarth2773]

True, he got nothing to do with old dusty nationalists from the far right, and I can suppose a book from Martin Sellner, Alain de Benoiste as well, and Sellner grounded his ideas on Gandhi and Hannah Arendt. We call them all the new rightwings. You can be a patriot as well without being a chauvinist nationalist, he grounded the idea of ethnopluralism. Unfortunately he and others get persecuated by our regime of Merkel, as these are forbidden informations.(mainly bc he found out they let IS-fighters in and they do nothing at all and want to force Austria to open all borders again. It´s dangerous now in Germany to be an opponent of the regime, no critics! Or to critisize the mad gender mainstream-politics (it´s a show, Kindergarten. As a next big political deed Kramp-Karrenbauer, the leader of our military troops engages Conchita Wurst as being the general. ) I´m envious you got the brexit ! Open free speech is dangerous here now.(yu can lose your job,money)

[@talloolahmoon]

john hudson 🙄

[@ashthebash66]

Could we have a podcast where Douglas walks us through his bookshelf, then I don't have to keep straining my eyes to see the titles.

[@territmoderitmo9190]

Aaaaaaaahahahahahahaha

[@territmoderitmo9190]

Can we make this comment top comment? Please 😂👌

[@frenchenstein]

I do that a lot; well did, my eyes are fucked now 😂🤣😂

[@joaniem3817]

Yes! 😂

[@susanminer9692]

😂 I was doing the same thing, even turning my phone sideways to try and see the titles.

[@ajjames8691]

I’ve just finished the book today and couldn’t get enough so searched for interviews. It’s so encouraging in these dementing times that there’s voices like Murray’s

[@ChrisWillx]

Agreed. Thanks for dropping by AJ

[@honestjohn6418]

Been a big fan of Murray for years now and watched all of his recent interviews. You are an excellent interviewer because you asked questions and directed him in ways I haven’t heard before. Good work 👍

[@ChrisWillx]

Thank you John. That’s really lovely to hear. Douglas is very easy to speak to though, honestly he’s a pleasure to podcast with!

[@honestjohn6418]

Modern Wisdom You have a new subscriber 🍺

[@maulwurfchenfischerartists]

Ha, now I'm embarrassed, because I wrote almost the same shortly after you. Great minds...

[@lostinsweden5039]

...and made him laugh.

[@mikej8382]

"The moment your integeated is when you put up with the same shit the rest of us deal with" Well said Douglas

[@ChrisWillx]

So good eyh

[@clovermark39]

Yes that was so right.

[@PavlovsDawg79]

When I think of Douglas Murray I often think about what Sam Harris said about Hitchens. "The man had more wit, style and substance than a few civilizations I could name."

[@ChrisWillx]

He’s the real deal eyh

[@miketomlin6040]

Sam - the cognoscenti took me seriously, until I said I liked Douggie - Harris.

@Isa I took Sam Harris seriously until he came up with this type of nonsense:)

[@freedomfire2004]

What a wonderful conversation!! Just to give some feedback to the value of this , 57 yr. old nurse mother grandmother from the u.s.. i am so greatfull to you both for examining these things!! I so agree !! These are the concerns and utter absurd stupid agendas that are present today..and as an adult i am responsible to educate myself , listening and learning is an action, i do not want this utter crap affecting my granchilderen. Gives me hope!!

[@jonathandnicholson]

I totally agree with the Greta Thomburg point. I mentioned to someone that some of the things Thomburg has said is factually not so, but then I was told "She's such a nice person, though." Well, sure, but I had a problem with what she was saying and not her existence.

[@dannowell269]

People find this hard to grasp I swear. You can criticize someones ideas and actions without it being personal, making it personal or taking it personally just creates a barrier between the exchange of ideas

[@melanieeccles9602]

Melanie Eccles here from Kelowna, British Columbia, Canada. I'm feeling pretty intelligent right now because I listen to this very intelligent man - Douglas Murray, who has obviously read many books and written some too, and I agree with everything he says! Good on you to hit the many nails on the head. You conversation about Nicki Minaj. I am a straight white female who waited till I was 54 to get married. I struggled a lot growing up and into my 20's and 30's with my relationships. I came to the realization that what I was going through was a result of my influences and experiences up to that point and I started to understand that if I wanted the outcomes of my relationships to change then I had to change to course I was on, even if that course had been set by extraneous circumstances set forth by the environment I grew up in. Now, it was up to me to change that course and I did. When I see women flaunting their "stuff" in ways similar to Nicki Minaj, I think to myself, "what message are you sending and why are you doing this?" I learned that, in most cases, you reap what you sow. Having said that doesn't mean that men get to do whatever they want but the woman has to take her fair share of the responsibility for the outcome of the interaction.

[@pajownik]

Every time I hear Douglas Murray speak about some controversial issues, I allow myself a little more faith in humanity's future. There are brilliant people out there.

[@ademcfade]

I've watched lots of Douglas's interviews about the new book, he looks far more relaxed than the rest and you really got a great interview from him in this podcast. He really is a very funny guy when he goes off topic. Great work I've subscribed I look forward to watching more.

[@ChrisWillx]

Ahhh Adrian thank you very much. Honestly I’m a massive fan of Douglas too so my agenda for this interview going in was simply to ask him stuff I was interested to learn. Turns out it’s made a pretty good episode because of that. There’s one with Andrew Doyle you definitely should check out

[@noah6825]

Try the 'london real' interview - you have to watch most of it on their stupid website after giving them an email address for it, but it's two hours and he's highly relaxed and forthcoming, I'm covering all of his post-Madness interviews and that's been the best one.

[@lemonpudding2010]

@@ChrisWillx It worked. (Referring to Adrian Wilson's comment and your answer) It was so entertaining and insightful to hear a well articulated young man hold his own in a very interesting discussion and ask such great questions which made me want to hear much more from both of you. I am a woman and have often thought just like Douglas how ridiculous and dangerous a path we are going down. I SO related to so much of what he said and had a good laugh along with you both. Keep asking those great questions and you were a pleasure to listen to. I could actually understand every word you both said lol and NOBODY interrupted anyone which was an absolute pleasure in of itself.

[@maulwurfchenfischerartists]

I've been a Douglas Murray fan since he wrote "Neoconservatism, and why we need it" and having binge-watched him these days because of his new book, I find this the most satisfying recent conversation, since the (gorgeous) interviewer explores with him new paths which others haven't. Must look into his channel.

[@ChrisWillx]

Thank you very much. Douglas is honestly such a pleasure to speak with it made it incredibly easy.

[@normandylander]

"..we cannot accept to live in a society this stupid.." ~ Douglas Murray

[@marcopolo9146]

Isa you didn’t listen, did you.

[@crowley144]

@Giles Baron He might be literate and intelligent but that is by far an overstatement. From his own words "He's not gay is he?" insinuating there's something wrong with being gay. I do think he has some great points such as putting less focus on our differences, but I do also think he can verge on the side of narcissistic bigot from time to time.

[@crowley144]

Fair 😂

@@crowley144 Your comment unironically highlights the merits of eloquence and literacy. How did you manage to fit so much sloppy grammar into a brief paragraph...

[@crowley144]

@ Damn autocorrect

[@leighdavison3258]

First time here, great guest. Watched about 10 of his recent podcasts promoting his book. I think he’s on par with Hitch. You got more out of him as he was relaxed and at ease. Ordered the book following this.

[@ChrisWillx]

Thank you Leigh. That’s some very kind words. I’m looking forward to getting more conversations out like this very soon!

[@graememorrison333]

I can listen to DM all day and must have watched a good ten hours already of him talking about his new book. Each time too he manages to come across as fresh (and not remotely peed off at regurgitating the same stuff!) but I'm so glad he brought up the mental health thing near the beginning of the talk. There's a holy trinity of mh disorders at the moment (aspergers, bipolar, and adhd) which many seem to be almost proud to be diagnosed with, because (i think) it marks them out as quirky, interesting, more sensitive - or that their suffering from the everyday slings and arrows of outrageous fortune, life etc, is somehow worse than that of the everyday person's. I do hope that Douglas takes this one further. Enjoyed the webchat!

[@M11969]

In my opinion, the worst thing that could have happened is including aspergers into the autism spectrum. Classic autism is so far away from aspergers it is damaging the ability of those with classic autism to get the attention and services they desperately need. It puts an unrealistic expectation on their ability to move through life.

[@ChrisWillx]

Thanks Graeme, I loved this episode.

[@ChrisWillx]

Lana - I don’t understand the distinction, can you enlighten me?

[@M11969]

@@ChrisWillx Here's a good video describing servers and high functioning autism. I'll find another describing severe autism.

[@M11969]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/fZ-pgYOaiJmji9k

[@chrisruss9861]

The fresh and breezy approach of the interviewer set a different pace. Enjoyable discussion.

[@divergentsenior]

Excellent interviewer. Informed himself so he could ask really good questions. Murray able to be both brave enough to speak truth and confident enough to be relaxed when challenged.

[@ChrisWillx]

Very kind words, thank you. Lots more episodes incoming soon

[@OliverWoodphotography]

Loved it. Douglas Murray is the man!

[@ChrisWillx]

He’s the real deal eyh!

[@OriginalLHB]

I watched a lot of Doug Murray videos today and this young interviewer is perhaps the most insightful and ingenious among his better known KZbin peers, some of whom were clearly out of their depth when conversing with him. Great job putting Murray off of his basic script and navigating through some unexplored territory with a great relaxed wit. Well done!

[@ChrisWillx]

So many compliments here where to start. Young is my favourite I think! Really appreciate the kind words, I admire DM’s ability to speak so assisting him in deploying that wisdom in a novel way makes me feel great. Hit subscribe - there’s lots more coming soon

[@ddemaine]

Wow. Chris Williamson and Douglas Murray, on one KZbin video together. Life doesn't get any better than this.

[@ChrisWillx]

Too kind. Douglas is the lead singer here, I’m simply the backing dancer

[@ddemaine]

@@ChrisWillx Well you do have the physique for it :-D Seriously though, you are a great interviewer.

[@ChrisWillx]

Great point. Me and DM would be a fantastic duo

[@ddemaine]

@@ChrisWillx Definitely

[@ddemaine]

@@ChrisWillx PS: I realised in an earlier video that said you had a lovely Geordie accent. I gather you're actually from Middlesbrough? I apologise for misindentifying your accent. I hope I'm not cancelled.

[@Saral_Lekhi]

Oh Douglas! You are right! I have been saying it to so many friends because it's freakin neurotic..today every other "friend" of mine claims to be - " Bi-polar, OCD, Schizophrenic, clinically depressed, clinically suffering with anxiety, I am dyslexic, I have ADHD, and Migraine..(coz it cannot be low class headache or non clinical migraine anymore) and blah blah"...and I so often tap my friends and say "why is everyone in a race to have the latest in trend diagnosis as soon as Hollywood/Bollywood celeb makes it trendy" and they nod in agreement not realizing they are doing it themselves! I keep asking..."Can you not be depressed, just as a normal human being without getting a clinical certificate anymore?". Today as soon as you say to anyone, I am not feeling good..or I feel low, suddenly everyone frantically, automatically asks "Have you been clinically diagnosed? I have been you know"....and its as if its a competition and stage to act dramatic a bit. It is ridiculous! Glad a rational celebrity saw this and called it out!

[@daveshongkongchinachannel]

Love the choice of guests, the way you seem to build a rapport with them, the knowing when to listen and when to ask intelligent questions and of course the sense of humour with which you cover some of these difficult topics. So glad I found this channel - a real breath of fresh air that I think so many lost people must be looking for right now.

[@HADARALEVIN]

Been following Douglas Murray's intellectual courage, grace, eloquence and nuanced insights for years and his new book has brought me landing here. I really enjoyed this one. Glad to discover Modern Wisdom. Will follow.

[@ChrisWillx]

What wonderful words, thank you Hadara

[@WhiteRabbitAnne]

Just subbed. Douglas is so relaxed with you, which let's him be his absolute funniest. Brilliant interview, kudos!

[@ChrisWillx]

Thanks Anne. We really vibed well on this one!

[@WhiteRabbitAnne]

@@ChrisWillx Can't wait to watch more of your stuff. So rare for KZbin to promote independents these days. I'm quite shocked and pleasantly surprised you showed up in my feed. Cheers from Canada 🍁

[@ChrisWillx]

Thankfully KZbin is quite generous on channels with high watch times. Because most of the videos are 60 minutes+ it means we have an insanely high watch time. Hoping the KZbin gods continue to shine down on us

[@D4n1t0o]

Best Murray conversation since his latest release! Subbed!

[@ChrisWillx]

Thank you Danito. Douglas is honestly a joy to speak to so it wasn’t hard!

[@MarkieMX]

Douglas Murray is a genius and gave me hope in society when I felt like quitting. He makes too much sense.

[@markncl100]

What a great interview. Douglas really is the thinking mans crumpet!

[@ChrisWillx]

He’s a dude. What a great guest

[@GraemetheGuiriLordHaHa]

Has Joan Bakewell left us?

[@markncl100]

@@GraemetheGuiriLordHaHa Totally different demographic mate.

[@barneyrubble8590]

1AdoptedGeordie or the thinking woman’s crumpet😆 I adore him!

[@Penelopepitstop50]

Thank you Douglas for speaking out loud!!!! I appreciate your bravery!

[@abigailslade3824]

Douglas Murray is always worth a like and this interviewer is a pretty good guy he actually lets his guests talk.

[@seanfahy-spada980]

The ending though really resonated, we need to be thinking big with what we as a species want to achieve, and beyond that we still have a load of problems that are more important like poverty, famine disease, everyone not in a first world country, people who are under actual dictators ect

[@Jide-bq9yf]

Fantastic read and I’m firmly left of the spectrum . His insight is uncanny, the wry sense of humour just my cup of tea and his courage is self evident through out this gourmet feast of a book .

[@thesisypheanjournal1271]

My Dad said it well about correcting wrongs versus Affirmative Action: "If a Black man applied for the same job I applied for 20 years ago and was denied the job because he was Black, they should hire him and give him the same seniority I have and the same pay I have because he was denied the chance to accumulate them. But that doesn't mean that the next ten Black applicants have to be hired just because that other man got shafted 20 years ago."

[@maghrebforever2012]

Did he though? The concession your father made is pure thoughtless sympathy and god knows what else. Has he no concept of history? Give a man 'owed' seniority along that criteria and you must for every man in the world! It's life - it fucks you and has fucked your grandfathers! Give all Armenians seniority immediately!

[@CemeterySunshine]

How in the actual fuck does a channel with this quality of conversation not have more than 70k subs? This is criminal.

[@nickchalmers3558]

You asked the best question I have heard asked of Murray so far. " What other categories could you have included? " it solicited a very insightful and novel answer.

[@ChrisWillx]

Thanks Nick. It’s one I genuinely wanted to know. I honestly thought “Fat” was going to be in there

[@annapachaclarke2392]

Another brilliant conversation and love the humour 😂

[@jeffcrist2977]

Towards the end here ( 50:00) the only thing I could think was there are subtle gradations between predation, aggression, and "making the first move". Those things can be emphasized before we release a bunch of confused adolescents into, not onto society, into the waiting arms of left leaning extremists in the university industry. Then the left espouses one strike and your out, apology not accepted. Glad I'm too old to give a crap now-a-days. Great conversation. I enjoy following you both.

[@susankendall4031]

I appreciate the straight talk. I couldn’t agree more with Douglass. We are confusing children with all the p.c. talk and teachings and especially with transgender issues. When I was kid I hated dolls, thought they were stupid and preferred making things and thought toys marketed to boys were much better - I’m glad my parents didn’t interpret that as something else.

[@i-am-alxdz]

This was a really, REALLY, interesting conversation

[@gretashapiro4118]

He had a very casual and enjoyable dialogue with Douglas Murray. It was nice interview

[@ChrisWillx]

Thanks terry!

[@RogerSnowOnline]

It's a shame there are so few public intellectuals who are as articulate and as well researched as Douglas Murray. In spite of the Madness of Crowds book, governments and corporations are still blindly walking into the abyss of I.D. politics as if nothing was ever written to counter it. Murray can't get enough air time on his own to make a real impact.

[@saidsadly2400]

I really hope Douglas Murray does write about the mental health issue eventually. I was diagnosed with a mental illness 14 years ago in my teens (there is a long history of it in my family) and it has been fascinating over recent years to watch people take on being mentally ill for oppression points. The same thing with autism, OCD, and anorexia. I’ve seen morbidity obese women discuss how they are anorexic. We live in really weird times.

[@ChrisWillx]

I think “Fat” is a potential other chapter for him too

[@Jonnie-Falafel]

Can't wait for Douglas's book on 'Green'!

[@Mark_Dyer1]

DOUGLAS: Brilliant, as usual. (Spoiler-alert: Identity Political statement!) As a 67 year-old Christian man, who has shared life with another (atheist) man for 36 years, we were once interviewed by EDDIE MAIR as to why I was so hostile to 'gay weddings'. I was unsure; but you have provided me with the answer. Whilst I was fighting just for my Human Right to live with another man, back in the 1970s, without fear of violence, that was ALL I wanted. I didn't want 'marriage'; because Heterosexuals need to sort out what THEY mean by 'marriage', to start with. For most of them it is certainly not ONE MAN AND ONE WOMAN FOR LIFE! I see those who pursue 'gay weddings' as being just as shallow as many heterosexuals are: people who want a 'fuss' to be made of them.

[@ChrisWillx]

I don’t even see gay rights as a concern any more, which is a testament to what your movement in the 70’s achieved I suppose. “You are fully integrated when you have to deal with the same shit as the rest of us”

[@Mark_Dyer1]

@@ChrisWillx I agree with you entirely. Of course, as a Christian I should lament the virtual total collapse of the Church which has come about owing to its various sexual hypocrisies: but I don't! The Church of England stopped being of any use to God decades ago!

[@thesisypheanjournal1271]

"Blaming the victim." "You can reduce your risk of being mugged by avoiding using an ATM in a bad neighborhood. Don't walk alone in a bad neighborhood -- especially an unfamiliar neighborhood -- late at night. Don't flash large amounts of cash." Oh! Thank you for that good advice! "You can reduce your risk of becoming a victim of burglary if you install an alarm system on your house. Keep your doors locked. Don't plant shrubs near windows. Install outdoor lighting. Don't leave the box for that brand new big-screen TV out by the curb." Oh! Thank you for that good advice! "You can reduce your risk of rape if --" HOW DARE YOU BLAME THE VICTIM!!!!!!!

[@tzilingchew1888]

You don't think there's the difference between these crimes and their intent?

[@waztaz123]

tzi ling chew the point is that they are all crimes and they are all bad and they should be severely punished by law. But we have found ways to be reasonable and civil over how to reduce the risk on the first two but on the third one somehow half of the world’s population are the culprit (except the tiny minority of male feminists) and not a small percentage of people. That’s the equivalent of lumping the good neighborhoods with the bad ones for a theft that only happens in a bad neighborhood. I see all of them as bad crimes so not sure what the significant difference between them is.

[@joefromzohra]

At the root of these problems is a philosophical one: what constitutes moral conduct? What is morally good? And who decides? What exacerbates this situation we are in is that it is coupled with the demise of the teaching of philosophy in academic programs. And so we have people on the Right and people on the Left making moral standings that are devoid of introspection, and based on a lack of philosophical foundation, riddled with misconceptions, contradictions and obfuscation.

[@MFYouTube683]

Douglas is one of very few public persons, that- I personally feel, truly represent gay men, inspire politically and whom I look up to. He’s a great thinker writer and speaker. An intellectual mind behind the fresh and informed perspective, clearly. Much appreciated 🙏🏻

[@ChrisWillx]

Thanks Malo!

[@jacksonblaze423]

During the time I worked in the government upper management changed from men to women. It would seem that women would be more caring about the employees they managed but they were not. In fact they seemed less understanding of any personal issues that might show up in a workplace, more didactic, and in fact annoyed by turning to them to resolve any work issues. They mainly seemed to be concerned with their own career and could be quite brutal in taking over projects proposed and run by employess that seemed to serve their career goals. This might be a generalization, but it applied to the three women managers I had to work with.

[@meirionowen5979]

I was a university lecturer until I was made redundant to make way for women. But while I was there 50% of the women working alongside me were vile machiavellian vipers. Never experienced anything quite like it before or since. Even though my career has gone, I'm still glad to be out of that cesspool of an environment

[@jacksonblaze423]

@@meirionowen5979 We seem to have forgotten some old well known facts about people in general and replaced them with ideals. If you watch old Perry Mason shows from the sixties you will see a completely different picture - both sides, the good and the bad, but somehow more informed about the things that move people to act and complexity of the motivations. People seem to have gotten a lot more stupid about these things since those days.

[@dianegoymer7601]

Fab interview with Douglas Murray, his new book is on my wish list!

[@marting6037]

Intelligent, articulate and balanced. So many of the qualities seemingly unavailable in mainstream politics and i have to ask why Douglas has never expressed a desire to enter that arena? He would get my vote and those of many others i'm certain of it. Imagine if he were your PM - what a different UK we would see.

[@EsmeeB]

Usually just a listener through the podcast app but after watching and listening its definitely a game changer! Perfect break away from final year university work :)

[@ChrisWillx]

Thank you Esmee! Please don’t blame me if you fail your degree

[@itskieranmoran9095]

Amazing guest to get on Chris! And yet again another great episode on a meaty topic, good to see you getting on people of varying views and opinions especially strong ones like this on such a contentious issue. Love it, keep them coming!

[@ChrisWillx]

Thanks Kieran! Really enjoyed this one

[@overcoercion590]

To Douglas's point about over correction, I have heard it put: We used to treat unequal people equally under the law. Now with the social justice ideology, we treat unequal people unequally to make them equal.

[@ChrisWillx]

Lovely synopsis.

[@overcoercion590]

@@ChrisWillx thanks, that was from an interview with Frederick Hayek. Great interview, with thanks, from your next subscriber!

[@polymathpark]

@ 59:00 Douglas talks about where Jordan Peterson is lacking in his assessment of humanity, but Jordan consistently talks about the conscientious qualities he's referring to.

[@TheJoshuamooney]

Best interview with Murray I've yet heard--and he's a good interviewee. Fact is, you guided the conversation, then you let the man talk--and he's well up to that task. If only more people understood the subtle art of the interview. In the States we have (or HAD!) Charlie Rose--poor bastard was banished due to boorish behavior in our MeTOO zeitgeist but damn, that man was the most intrusive, egotistical self-involved interviewers I've ever seen. You, my brother, are not.

[@ChrisWillx]

Thank you Joshua, I really enjoy this craft.

[@zevbleuler6998]

I’m a psychiatrist and in my experience it’s PTSD at the top of the Mental Health list. Anyone who’s ever had to tolerate anything uncomfortable or distressing seems to claim “trauma”.

[@alexanderschmoldt2982]

which has deluted the word completely and has made us unable to say that some discomfort is okay, has to be endured or might even be good for building resilience and stuff.

[@carolyncolinhogarth8732]

Interesting....In countries such as Canada, we don't tell people how to think. We let them think for themselves and then we sit back and listen. So interesting Douglas. I am indeed grateful for your shares and interviews. Keep moving step by step through this mess that has been made. New ideology is certainly needed, but a lot of tradition isn't so bad...Thank you...Like Family, friends, and sharing stories so we get to know one another. Biology characteristics are interesting, but not everyone understands biology. The talks have been great about what you know...Thank you so much...Carolyn D Hogarth

[@tomsmith6045]

Given what just happened to Jordan Peterson, do you still believe that in Canada, people are not told what to think?

[@jezt42]

Just watched this: informative and entertaining, thank you! In a lot of his interviews, Douglas comes across as quite serious (not surprising, given the subject matter), so it’s lovely to see his sense of humour shine through here. 👍

[@ladypoppy6117]

I am already reaching my 9yo daughter exactly that, being aware of how you present yourself to the world. The thing I'm focusing on now is how you don't need to show your flesh to look beautiful. Dress classy, it's far more attractive & gives off a completely different impression. It's hard bringing up both boys & girls but I'm 49 now & they're not going down any rabbit holes, I've learnt a lot over my time. Knowledge is power, teach your kids yourself, arm them with knowledge & the tools to think critically ✌🏻

[@peacemaker6662]

If you don't mind a 60 something male give you some advice I'll tell you what I've told my 4 adult daughters. 1. Don't be a victim. Even if bad thing's happen to you. 2. Take responsibility. Not only for yourself but as much as you can bare for those you care about. There are no better lessons to teach the young :-)

[@ladypoppy6117]

@@peacemaker6662 that's good advice, thank u. I respect your own experience & have taken your words on board. 👍😊

[@fleacydarko]

Crazy seeing young Chris, this is a gem

[@randr302]

♥️Chris Williamson Modern Wisdom BEST PODCAST ONLINE!♥️

[@VictrolaJazz]

At 5:20 Doug talks about the diseases that confer status vs. those that don't. That reminds me another thing that could almost make a book of its own and that is the ubiquity of syndromes or disabilities among virtually every school age student. I don't think there exists one young person who isn't at a minimum ADHD or autistic--I think either of those come as standard equipment with every child. That leads to the booming industry of special education. I can see in the future schools that, if they have an enrollment of 1,000 students, then it will have to accommodate 1,000 tiny cubicle like rooms for the one teacher that can adequately meet the ever expanding and specialized needs of every student or face litigation if heaven forbid that students in spite of all the accommodations that are made. When I was in high school 60 years ago, there was a special education class of maybe 20 youngsters who were so minimally capable of any kind of edification through no fault of their own, that the classes were just more or less baby sitting. Today, I don't believe a normal person could tell a special needs student from a highly functioning A+ student.

[@philliphayden2727]

Great conversation you had with Douglas, wish you had been in the room together and just let it run on for a bit longer. Cheers from Texas, mate.

[@ChrisWillx]

Thanks Philip. I’m actually going to catch up with Douglas in London soon, so hopefully I’ll have a chance to speak to him for a little longer! Appreciate you stopping by - check out some of the other episodes

[@shp8597]

"Nobody thinks it's cool to be a schizophrenic"😂

[@ericjohnson9468]

Wow…I’m watching this in April 2020, & realizing there’s hope for the future! Keep up the GOOD WORK: the World’s SANITY desperately needs it…!

[@Surfer7901]

Get the book! Genius Murray does it again. Douglas's favourite impossible demand: "Women are allowed to be as sexy as they want, but must not be sexualized" - presumably by men.

[@daraharvey4519]

I could listen to Douglas talk all day long.

[@ChrisWillx]

Me too

[@adi-ik7fx]

You can buy the audio version of the book and play it on repet

[@edenbreckhouse]

Excellent. I'd love to hear Douglas's examination of the MGTOW phenomenon that was briefly mentioned in the discussion where the young man was staying away from girls.

[@gareththompson-irwin7419]

First one I’ve watch, looking forward to more!

[@ChrisWillx]

Thanks for dropping by Gareth, hit subscribe - there’s lots more incoming!

[@vera7861]

Yes, I've noticed over-correction and non worthy news which is partly why I don't choose watch/read about it.

[@ankavoskuilen1725]

Powerful analysis of society!!! I am going to read this book. I hope it will be translated in my language!

[@jchsixstring]

The term in volleyball is the *setter*

[@ChrisWillx]

Look at how much we’re learning. What’s the striker called?

[@danielcraig9666]

Modern Wisdom Bump, set, spike.

[@stevendurham9996]

Best line My Dad, ever gave me: "Asshole's an Asshole: I don't care what color he is."😊

[@davidharrington1133]

Reading the book at the moment, a real eye opener, well worth checking out

[@ChrisWillx]

It’s the real deal eyh David

[@lostinsweden5039]

Just went to the rap version of Douglas doing Anaconda. AWESOME.

[@ChrisWillx]

Xmas #1

[@martipw]

This was so good I had to listen to it twice.

[@NiceLoki]

Laughing at Chris saying "2019 really nailed it" at the hour mark as I watch this for the first time in October 2020. 2019 Chris was clueless about what was about to happen. Happier times.

[@ChrisWillx]

Then we all got fully ass blasted by 2020. ‘Twas an easier time.

[@lazslorichter2764]

Wonderful discussion. Thank you both

[@ChrisWillx]

Thanks Lazslo. Did any points in particular stand out?

[@lazslorichter2764]

@@ChrisWillx honestly, just hearing articulate and thoughtful discussion keeps my sanity. Your mention re: the double standard applied to club behavior, and the impossible ideas that we are forced to accept resonated. As well as the " hands off" MGTOW approach that more men are embracing rather than wrestle with the social justice threshing machine.

[@ChrisWillx]

I didn’t even draw the connection with MGTOW. You’re totally right there. Wow

[@lazslorichter2764]

@@ChrisWillx it's as if the social contract between the sexes has been voided, and men are acting like they are in a minefield. Because we are. False accusations on the job, or at school now carry lifelong consequences regardless of what due process finds.

[@warmflash]

Douglas Murray is the best thing yet!

[@pennylane333]

Great podcast, as per usual! You always pick super interesting guests/topics. Been wanting that 6 min diary for a while now tho 👀

[@ChrisWillx]

Hahaha thanks Gail! Douglas is the real deal. Hold tight!

[@robertmarkwell4215]

Great podcast think you and Douglas get along very well made the interview that much better

[@alexanderkelly7819]

On a douglas binge. Smart and intelligent but witty and hilarious

[@foodieontour]

Watching a second time and still amazing. Full of truth and reality.

[@ChrisWillx]

One of my favourites ever

[@hiddenwoodsben]

19:24 *me, looking up from stroping sak and whittling knives*

[@goodshiplollipop]

You both nailed it. Utterly hilarious xxx

[@ChrisWillx]

Thank you!

[@raywelsh5335]

At the end when you and Douglas were discussing statues the image of Rodin's "The Thinker" popped into my head. Except, instead of him sitting with head in hands he was bent double staring at his navel. That would so readily describe the era we are in. Great interview.

[@sankeesyuck951]

The 'overcorrection' point is an accurate description of many social issues, often the progress made on an issue isn't met with a relaxation of the lobby, only a larger cry for justice, inverse of the lone person shouting for justice to start a movement.

[@agschool708]

An amazing interview and the ending....fantastic. Bookmarking this to listen again.

[@ChrisWillx]

Thank you!

[@ChrisWillx]

Ps - hit subscribe, lots more coming soon

[@normandylander]

"Why do we need to accept other people's views when different from our own?" - It makes the difference between thinking in 3D, or 2D Flatness.

[@ChrisWillx]

Good analogy

[@normandylander]

@@ChrisWillx Thanks.

[@MissOJAY]

So glad i found this channel and more specifically Douglas

[@robertoneill9636]

One of the best podcasts about, up there with Mr Joe Rogan’s in my opinion. Keep bringing this wisdom to the masses Chris 🙌🏻 🔥

[@ChrisWillx]

Thank you Robert!

[@carolyncolinhogarth8732]

You had a show saying you pay a price if you speak out loud....Yes you do! The price I am paying is people don't like the Truth. They will use it against you, instead of listening. Now I don't know what happened but this means that you and I think way above ourselves and go beyond duty and make an effort for human kind. Not ourselves. So I need you to do me a favor. People are not able to understand a lot of this Truth I am talking about. But I need confirmation of something. My government is too young to understand. But what happens if you find some Truth that is not being dealt with no matter where you look? I want to reassure you I got your message on bi-polar. I have sat in many doctor's offices and have never been diagnosed with bi polar, and I have two sisters who have it. So if I have a predisposition to it, I am not diagnosed at this time. My husband is sick with PTSD if that is what your message was....But thank you. I am aware. Dissed by Judas. If you have any pull in England at all, go to Richard Dawkins and ask him for me, and get back to me, (is Evolution faster if chemistry supports that in our environment, because I have a huge belief that is what is happening in Evolutionary Biology). But tell him you have to think the whole picture for this_ Thank you....Please get back to me on my site....with just a yes or no! It so important because I have to talk to someone about this...It is the Health of the World at stake. Just tell me yes or NO! Carolyn D Hogarth @carolynhogarth

[@brianscoffield584]

There are so many song lyrics in here. Fab stuff. Thanks.

[@jamesc8356]

Loving your content from out in Tokyo. Hit me with one of the 6MDs! They are impossible to get out here...

[@ChrisWillx]

Thanks James! Leave it with me

[@mc.8391]

enjoyed every minute thank you...

[@ChrisWillx]

Thank you!

[@TessaTickle]

re: Anaconda and the dementing contradiction, let it play itself out. Let women who want to play that game play it. It is detrimental only to themselves. Men should simply learn to steer around that trap and let women who engage in that game fall into it themselves. Not a single woman who plays that game will *ever* be happy or if they eventually come out on the other side of it, they will have suffered a lot in the meantime.

[@luketownsend391]

great interview!!

[@DK-jt6be]

Love it!

[@jeanne8395]

I found this so fascinating, I love it. I will be reading his book. Great Job Chris