Dr Bart Ehrman on ...the Qur'an?

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[@logicaltruth_]

Jawad is not a scholar. He only may have read about Islam. But he has no authorities over islam, as he is not a Scholar. What a shame

[@chrislittman]

Up at 04:30 in the UK listening to this.

[@erichwebb8312]

Thanks for the share ….. appreciate both of you for your work ….. take care ✝️

[@BlueOceanBelow]

Great to see Dr. Ehrman on again! Been subscribed to you both for some time and have learned more about evolution and Christianity than I ever did in school or in church.

[@ErikInPortland]

Dr. Ehrman’s glasses are on point. Love the style! (And I’m looking forward to the seminar!)

[@koraggknightwolf8454]

Bart Ehrman's expertise in linguistics and the Bible makes him such a treasure to have for this community. Whether you agree with him or not about Jesus existing or his opinion on the poetic beauty of it... I feel we owe him a great debt in his work in the reliability of the New testament linguistically and historically. Same with Dr Josh

[@whiteegretx]

I used to be a Jesus sceptic but now my opinion is... Maybe he existed lol. I still find Ehrman's arguments for Jesus's existence lacking. But he also supports Jesus's existence because it's literally his career. If he said that Jesus didn't exist, then his career would be studying a non existent figure and that would be silly. So I don't think we can take his word for it, but that doesn't mean Jesus didn't exist either.

[@MB-nx9tq]

@@whiteegretx A. I am an atheist and I am convinced Jesus and Paul existed, but of course the life of Jesus is distorted in the gospel accounts as they were written a few decades after his life and B. I sincerely think that Dr Ehrman agrees that Jesus and Paul existed not based on that he wants it to be but because the evidence points in that direction. There are many people who devote their lives to the study of Socrates, but Socrates has less evidence of him actually existing than Jesus. It’s not the person, but the ideas that they or their followers have brought that have so influenced the world. Dr Ehrman is also a scholar of Greek, even if Jesus did not exist his followers changed the world and their ideas are worthy to be studied.

[@celiand2618]

Am much more of the opinion JesusSES existed and got compiled into one. We have that very thing with Merlin and we found some.

[@kaloarepo288]

@@whiteegretx To paraphrase and alter Voltaire "If Jesus didn't exist it would be necessary to invent him" The ethics of the New Testament are excellent!

[@whiteegretx]

@@kaloarepo288 - If you're not being sarcastic, I must say that I disagree with you and your altered Voltaire quote (though I'm not sure I disagree with his original quote.) I don't find the ethics of the new testament novel or even good. There are common sense things, sure. But beyond that, there are things in the new testament that are atrocious and must be disregarded.

[@TheNutteloos]

Thanks a lot, i pre-ordered the lecture, hoping to see the live lecture, gonna be great

[@hamobu]

Bart Erman could probably make the phone book sound interesting.

[@kaloarepo288]

He actually uses the phonebook analogy in responding to the claim that the Koran is true because it has no mistakes in it -"the phonebook has no mistakes in it too -so what!"

[@uriituw]

Hello, kitties and puppies.

[@olgakim4848]

Meow.

[@backpackmatt]

Meow? 😻

[@brandonhill1096]

Woof!

[@katinapac-baez5083]

Honestly makes me smile every time I hear it, especially since I'm usually listening to videos at work and don't necessarily know what's next.

[@laurajarrell6187]

Aron, good talk!👍💙💙💙✌🥰

[@Where_is_Waldo]

I love this idea!

[@AbdulHannanAbdulMatheen]

👏🙂 Great video

[@latstar3538]

You want a discussion on the Quran and invite Bart Ehrman? He knows next to nothing regarding that book, and he understands their Neoplatonic theology even less. There are many knowledgeable Quran scholars out there who don't attempt to lie about Islam to protect its shortcomings like many Dawah guys do, they will shoot from the hip and tell you what they really think. Try reaching out to Shady Nasser, or Dan Brubaker for a good honest discussion regarding the Quran. Dr Khalil Andani would be an interesting guest if you're interested in Quranic metaphysics and philosophy (which as I said above is deeply rooted in Neoplatonism). Albeit the Quran is generally heavily influenced by Hellenistic knowledge (some of which is plainly wrong)

[@dyslexictroll8708]

This discussion reminded me of the way I used to dungeon master in which I would create a skeleton of an adventure and then with the help of the players we would make it up we went along.

[@kdemetter]

Now I'm trying to imagine what it would look like if people believed in D&D like a religion, and that the DM is god lol

[@aukemebel4263]

@@kdemetter Going from my experience as a DM, it would go kinda like in the bible. The characters in your story always make wrong decisions, plans you made are thrown out of the window, a lot of people blaspheme you as they think their bad decisions are yours. But the thing is: I acknowledge I am a fallible human being, an actual god wouldn't make those mistakes.

[@faridaali8758]

One word in the AlQuran 'dukhan' has been translated as 'smoke' by the 8th century translators.Actually people around the time have no idea what the word means.It is a foreignword they never use it on 6th century.Now we know the meaning of the word.It is some kind of mist a liquid(dukhan)

[@fouedfoued5692]

Definitely the Quran is not the bible since every word has more than one meaning but still they all flows in the same direction...this is without mentioning the hidden codes in the letters each one with its numerical value..etc..it is an amazing book ..

[@rickc2102]

nice to be able to learn new things

[@grapeshot]

Yeah the Japanese Christians believe there was a switch up and the real Jebus ended up in Japan as a rice farmer😂

[@antondovydaitis2261]

Isekai Jesus?

[@nakenmil]

Japanese Mormonism, lol.

[@arkdark5554]

Wait a second. Do not Mormons think Jesus sailed to America?😅😅😅😅 Even Jesus can’t be at the two locations at the same time. So America, or Japan?

[@RichardMNixonOfficial]

@@arkdark5554i think mormons believe jewish people before jesus sailed to america and then jesus just showed up one day to tell them what happened to him in the middle east😭

[@kellydalstok8900]

Being able to walk on water comes in handy when you’re working in a rice field.

[@metalhead0274]

That was just too short... I was really hoping to hear more and get more in depth into these areas. Hopefully you will have Bart on again to discuss these things

[@theonlyway5298]

No - I doubt it very much! Bart is not interested in critiquing or analysing Islam in public because firstly he isn't a ,backslidden Muslim or someone brought up in Islam,......and secondly, to publicly apply the same critical methods towards Islam and the Quran, would cost him dearly in every way, including his public reputation! ...so to summarise: *- Ehrman is not motivated to critically analyse any other religion except the faith of the New Testament* - ie Christianity, because in critically analysing it, and producing his theories about it, he is seeking to justify his own departure from it. Whereas, he has no such motive for any other religious text or religion as he is not trying to justify his position in regards to any other religious scripture. *- Ehrman knows perfectly well and is extremely careful to avoid any criticism of Islam and the Quran.* He totally avoids the subject like the plague! Even if he is asked, he very carefully and diplomatically skirts around it with the art of a politician and never honestly answers any questions about his academic views on the Quran or Islam. If pressed, he will say that it isn't his subject or area of knowledge...while this may be true, it is obvious that with his analytical deconstructionist approach, that in applying this to the Quran, he could not possibly accept it as written and presented! It would not take very much consideration from him to show that the Quran is a historical fabrication derived from previous religious texts that have been modified to form a new narrative by the author....but out fear, Ehrman avoids this subject because he knows that he would become a pariah in the minds of every Muslim and the masses of left leaning society who currently applaud him!

[@jonsebastian4672]

Awesome vid

[@1ApeinSpace]

Two of my favorite people. Thank you.

[@Mr.PhatsVarietyVibesShow]

good & interesting Topic

[@abubakarmohammed2613]

This is the Book (the Qur’ân), whereof there is no doubt, a guidance to those who are Al-Muttaqûn [the pious believers of Islamic Monotheism who fear Allâh much (abstain from all kinds of sins and evil deeds which He has forbidden) and love Allâh much (perform all kinds of good deeds which He has ordained)]. TMQ 2:2

[@petepottieski6673]

No doubt of the amount of bs. Muslim scholar lmfao... Oxymoron... Or just a moron

[@joygibbons5482]

“This is the Book, whereof there is no doubt” Well I’ve doubts, as have millions, so that’s nonsense for a start

[@nakeebissadeen1606]

Good exercise. Qur'an challenges these scholars to find contradictions in it. Then do they not reflect upon the Qur’ān? If it had been from [any] other than Allāh, they would have found within it much contradiction. (4:82)

[@arkdark5554]

These two are very knowledgeable, and open minded, cool guys. Religious dudes can learn loads from them.

[@user-wc7ku7ud3e]

اتوقع انهما لايعرفان القران مثلهما لايمكن ان يعرف القران

[@taufiqatiq6563]

Aron is as big of a fool as can be.

[@joman388]

Yes as a Christian my best Bible studies are from those who misrepresent Christianity or hate it. thanks

[@joefilter2923]

These two bring so much baggage that they can’t get out of their sandbox

[@joman388]

@@taufiqatiq6563 That would be what the God of the bible tells us.All men know there is a God by the creation ,but the fool in His heart says there is no God. thanks

[@ravindraju1]

AronRa got more guts to comment about Quran. Bart is quick to run to Bible to make his comments.

[@MossyMozart]

@ravindraju1 - One goes with their strengths.

[@abdar-rahman6965]

Because Bart is not a Scholar of Quran nor has he ever read whole Quran, so he was supposed not to comment on Quran, and that what he has done

[@user-lj9zq4dr5t]

​@@abdar-rahman6965Bart is timid about commenting on Islam for a good reason, Islamic terrorists are quick to kiII people who are against Islam.

[@easybandzofficial6456]

Aronra: tell us about the quran Bart erhman: well the bible............

[@arefinkamal7654]

Who gave the atheists the right to criticize religion AND to lecture the believers on how they should respond to criticism?

[@theonlyway5298]

@@arefinkamal7654 How dare you criticize atheists!! Who do you think you are to question them let alone criticise them??? That is absolute blasphemy and they should never be questioned or critiqued as their ideas are sacred!

[@taufiqatiq6563]

Bert is honest that's why he is not giving his opinion regarding Quran, as he is not a scholar in quran. But stupid Aron think himself as islamic scholar,

[@DDDSSDDDSSDDDSS]

Erhman doesn't know about quran and hadeeths except for a passing knowledge

[@joerdim]

@@arefinkamal7654 Well, in my country it's the constitution that gives me that right.

[@markbouvierjr.7446]

When nsrt releases this series, can you please share a link? This sounds really interesting.

[@andrewbryce2707]

Aron has got his islamic teachings of Jesus from the ahmadiyya cult who are not even considered to be Muslims.

[@LanceHall]

I like Bart he seems genuine.

[@joman388]

Yes genuinely wrong is Ehrman,as well as Aron. thanks

[@CatrinaDaimonLee]

"this is pure blasphemy!" ..ok that is good news, there are so few things in life these days that are pure anything...

[@CatrinaDaimonLee]

blasphemy is a town north of jerusalem, or a kind of kosher meat :/

[@CatrinaDaimonLee]

steve blasphemy...reservoir dogs...?

[@kellydalstok8900]

Blasphemy, the victimless crime.

[@joerdim]

And "Gehenna" (in islamic tradition "Jahannam" = hell) is actually a valley with an important ancient necropolis southwest of Jerusalem.

[@Skiipper1]

The only thing pure in this world is Aron ra’s BULLSHIT 😂😂😂😂😂

[@theinnerlight8016]

Two of my favorite people I only know from the internet together! 🎉 Thanks for all you do. 🖖

[@FentonMulley-cz8pv]

What a great idea

[@IgorTryp]

The stories in the Quran are what we would expect from someone who had heard the stories but couldn't remember the details.

[@willsimp1273]

you dont even make sense. what details does the Quran say it forgot ? you need to learn that not every book has to give you specific details, especially books that are constructed as poetry. you are someone who expects every book to read like telephone book or cook book. if you want specifics there are other Islamic books about history, and biographies. and hadith books also have many specific details

[@exceptionallyaverage3075]

​@@willsimp1273Where in the muslim superstitionist fairy-tale book does it explain how to make lasagna? Or change a flat tire? That thing is no better than the christian fairy-tale book.

[@sub7se7en]

Except the Quran gets historical details right that the Bible gets wrong.

[@exceptionallyaverage3075]

@@sub7se7en Fantastic 4 comics get historical details right, so they must be true.

[@user-wc7ku7ud3e]

هل قرأت القران؟ القران لم يقل ان زوجه ادم هي من أغوته بالاكل من شجره تفاح الكتاب المقدس قال ذلك القران لم يقل ان ثعبان تكلم وخدع سيده ليأكل ادم الكتاب المقدس قال ذلك القران قال ان الشيطان هو من خدع ادم (الشيطان ليس كاءن خرافي الشيطان هو التفكير الخاطيء التفكير الغير علمي الشيطان هو الوهم الشيطان = الانحراف عن الطريق المستقيم) الكتاب المقدس قال ان طوفان نوح اغرق العالم القران قال ان طوفان نوح اغرق قريه نوح فقط الكتاب المقدس قال ان موسي خرج من مصر هاربا ومعه مليون انسان القران قال ان موسي خرج من قريه صغيره في اليمن مع عدد محدود جدا لايزيد عن 1000انسان الكتاب المقدس قال اقتلوا الاطفال والنساء والبقر والحمير واحرقوا المدن وابقروا بطون الحوامل لقتل الأجنه وخذوا الشابات سبايا وعبيد لكن القران لم يقل ذلك ابدا فكيف تجرؤ ان تقول القران اخذ قصص الكتاب المقدس ونسي الباقي؟ القران كتاب نبيل يعلمنا تعاليم راقيه وليس كالكتاب المقدس

[@GuerrillaSauce]

Another collaboration between Aron-Ra & Dr. Bart Ehrman - 'tis always a good day!

[@lt4376]

8:54 not that it is true but I found a “scholar” Sam Shamounian who debates Muslims and shows them that their Quran does indicate Christ was crucified (and died) and that Muslims are confused about their own Quran

[@joefilter2923]

Don’t follow that guy he’ll lead you away from the water and you’ll die of thirst in a desert of the real.

[@Jennz777]

Nope. Keep trying

[@lt4376]

@@Jennz777 you’re saying nope the Quran doesn’t indicate Christ was crucified? Maybe - it was an interpretation

[@Jennz777]

@@lt4376 Yes Quran does not say that

[@lt4376]

@@Jennz777 IDK I have to recheck

[@hammedkhalil1302]

Why not a muslim scholar who answers these questions?: ❓

[@youtubestudiosucks978]

Why dont you?

[@joshridinger3407]

same reason we don't look to christian fundamentalists for the truth about the bible

[@petepottieski6673]

No such thing as a Muslim scholar. You can only be a Muslim scholar if you are pointing out the bs like Mr. Ra..... Mr. Ra is a true Muslim scholar! He clearly pointed out the nonsense. That's a scholar!

[@FahadAyaz]

Love the video! 13:50 Just a small clarification. Expanding upon the Quran and words of Muhammad aren't called hadiths (which are the sayings of Muhammad), they're called tafsir (commentary) and aren't considered as authoritative as the first two and can have a wide range of opinions.

[@joman388]

Very good apparently all the tasfirs for over 400 years believed the sun sat in a puddle.What does that tell you? thanks

[@joefilter2923]

@@joman388🫠

[@deenforce1142]

@@joman388 Let me guess, you are referring to the “good old” distortion of Quranic text Sarah 18:86 right? Well let’s look at the actual Arabic Quran!!! حَتَّىٰٓ إِذَا بَلَغَ مَغْرِبَ ٱلشَّمْسِ وَجَدَهَا تَغْرُبُ فِى عَيْنٍ حَمِئَةٍۢ وَوَجَدَ عِندَهَا قَوْمًۭا ۗ قُلْنَا يَـٰذَا ٱلْقَرْنَيْنِ إِمَّآ أَن تُعَذِّبَ وَإِمَّآ أَن تَتَّخِذَ فِيهِمْ حُسْنًۭا ٨٦ “until he reached the setting (point)of the sun, which appeared to him to be setting in a spring of murky water, where he found some people. We said, “O Ⱬul-Qarnain! Either punish them or treat them kindly.” Surah 18, verse 86) This is what all the Christian apologist use against Islam, I saw if from Ibn Warraq, Jay Smith, David Wood, Sam Sharon, Apostate Prophet, etc. Why not take a step further; are you going to claim that “people exist in murky water” too? Mr. Tafsir will straiten you out: (Until, when he reached the setting place of the sun,) means, he followed a route until he reached the furthest point that could be reached in the direction of the sun's setting, which is the west of the earth. -ibn Kathir. Problem solved.

[@xshiro83]

​​​@@joman388where is that verse saying sunset in puddle? I am assuming i know the verse but i am just asking you give the specific verse number just to confirm

[@joman388]

@@xshiro83 Koran 18 verse 86 until when he reached the point of sunset, he found it setting into a miry spring, and found a people near it. We said, “O Dhul-Qarnain, either punish them or adopt good behavior with them.” A few verses in Hadiths also further explain that the sun sets in a puddle as well, thanks

[@apakansaja8505]

*Aaron, if you got a problem with your car, go to the car mechanic. If you got problem with your fridge you go to the technician. If you got problem with your electric system, go to the electrician. And if you are sick, go to the doctor. Dont try to cure yourself. These people have given their lives to study their favourite subject matter. They the expert. We laymen best to listen to the expert. Unlike us, they know what they are talking about.*

[@greenshirtiv4n211]

Anthony Rogers makes some good points on the trinity.

[@mf2015]

Thanks lots for your years of work of debunking bullshit Aron 💙

[@kaloarepo288]

Dawkins has just lamented that his debunking of Christianity over the years has led to the propagation of a cult far far worse -Aron Ra has done the same debunking and he will regret too when he finds himself surrounded by shariah law!

[@averagebodybuilder]

Got to hand it to Dr. Bart. He several times showed he does not much about Islam and admitted so many times in different forms, "I don't know"

[@joman388]

Likely because he wishes to live without a Solomon Ruskie fatwa on His head. I[[[m is that wicked. thanks

[@asmaelitemiz2039]

Why does he giggle so much? It's a serious discussion.

[@ridhuan2335]

I like dr bart but i dont think he have ever compared a 1990 phone book to the latest that still exist. Thats why he said "Even phonebook have no contradiction"

[@knkn5049]

If another scholar is muslim, it is waste of time, if it is planned to be published on KZbin, i will wait for reaction of famous polemics, i do not want to fact check his every word about book. I know how it would look like: "very interesting topic, indeed bible is corrupted, but on another hand we do not have such issues in a quran due to names in chains of transition..." They just want some bright boy to admit problems of bible and to show that quran superior. Bart Erman's interview about jesus is one of the most popular videos in muslim propaganda.

[@abdar-rahman6965]

well said

[@clemstevenson]

Sherlock Holmes is currently investigating the case of people believing in things that cannot be demonstrated to be true. He says that it is probably due to public gullibility...no shit, Sherlock.

[@annodomini7250]

Can you demonstrate it is not true?

[@seismicwhale5371]

​@annodomini7250 you mean prove a negative? Literally not possible except for having the same probability as the most ridiculous inference you could possibly imagine...rendering it near absolute zero.

[@annodomini7250]

@@seismicwhale5371 I see so you should be able to prove a positive prove that God is true. When you can or cannot you have proved your position.

[@mhamedkhattabi5863]

Bart said if you are not christian and you dont believe in jesus resurrection it make sense to claim that he never got crucified . The problem is neither koran nor prophet Muhamed said anything about resurrection of jesus

[@soyevquirsefron990]

Megan Lewis is unrecognizable with that beard. I hope she does another bright dye job on the whole thing if she’s going to keep it

[@canusapak7535]

I'm not so sure Javad Hashmi will be truly critical of the Quran since he is still an ardent believer in the Quran as a divine book. He will probably make Islam sound great at the end of it all. 😅

[@trixiepup3079]

exactly!

[@j.mtherandomguy8701]

It is a Dawah session in disguise. DO NOT ATTEND IT.

[@sub7se7en]

Pretty sure that guy is a heretic. But there are plenty of Western Quranic scholars who vouch for it's reliability. non-Muslim scholars.

[@MossyMozart]

Oh - a group of mind-readers here!

[@trixiepup3079]

@@MossyMozart Based on his previous conduct we can infer that it is his objective this time as well. Not mind readers. Using our brain to make logical conclusions.

[@Photo-Jay]

This is going to be really interesting because typical critical analysis of the Qur'an has only recently started in the past few years. There's a long history of scholarship but it starts with accepting the traditional origin stories, thus disqualified from being a similar standard to modern Biblical scholarship (thus they're something like 50-70 year delay between the type of analysis that Qur'an has been subjected to). Historicity is an extreme sore point for many fundamentalist scholars, and is why you rarely see any worthwhile debate on the topic, on top of Western scholars simply being nowhere near acquainted with the Qur'an as they might be with the Bible.

[@kellydalstok8900]

Islam is at least three centuries behind christianity, as it hasn’t had its Age of Enlightenment yet. It’s basically the Middle Ages with smartphones.

[@abdar-rahman6965]

Quran is verbatim word of God, this is why, one Jewish Professor of Comparative Religion in Hawaii State of USA converted to Islam after reading Quran. No error no contradiction in Quran. I have been reading Quran for decades. *A person who claims that he has found any error or contradiction in Quran, has either not understood WHOLE Quran or he is a liar. It is must to understand whole Quran because over 6000 verses of Quran are interconnected like brain neurons, and in that way: verses explain each other in multifaceted forms*

[@theonlyway5298]

Bart is not interested in critiquing or analysing Islam in public because firstly he isn't a ,backslidden Muslim or someone brought up in Islam,......and secondly, to publicly apply the same critical methods towards Islam and the Quran, would cost him dearly in every way, including his public reputation! ...so to summarise: - Ehrman is not motivated to critically analyse any other religion except the faith of the New Testament - ie Christianity, because in critically analysing it, and producing his theories about it, he is seeking to justify his own departure from it. Whereas, he has no such motive for any other religious text or religion as he is not trying to justify his position in regards to any other religious scripture. - Ehrman knows perfectly well and is extremely careful to avoid any criticism of Islam and the Quran. He totally avoids the subject like the plague! Even if he is asked, he very carefully and diplomatically skirts around it with the art of a politician and never honestly answers any questions about his academic views on the Quran or Islam. If pressed, he will say that it isn't his subject or area of knowledge...while this may be true, it is obvious that with his analytical deconstructionist approach, that in applying this to the Quran, he could not possibly accept it as written and presented! It would not take very much consideration from him to show that the Quran is a historical fabrication derived from previous religious texts that have been modified to form a new narrative by the author....but out fear, Ehrman avoids this subject because he knows that he would become a pariah in the minds of every Muslim and the masses of left leaning society who currently applaud him!

[@abdar-rahman6965]

@@theonlyway5298 You were not in need of posting your long nonsensical tale. It is simple: Bart is not Scholar of Quran. So he does not know how to talk about Quran. FULL STOP.

[@taufiqatiq6563]

Better not comment on something that is beyond your wisdom.

[@kmdickison]

Why so short? Love it though

[@QuranicIslam]

Hey! Long time since I've gotten a notification from this channel ... and i see why i got this one. Grear stuff

[@theguyver4934]

One question don't you think that it's hypocritical of muslims using bart ehrman to belittle or discredit the bible and christianity but don't apply the same critical analysis when it comes to their faith and i'm asking as a muslim

[@QuranicIslam]

@@theguyver4934 I think some Muslims do. And it would depend which individual or group of Muslims you are talking about & what they have said. I think that Aron here should have had Islamic/Qur'anic studies academics on when he was doing that 2 year long reading of the Qur'an, just he has had Christian academics and historians on about the Bible. But he never did ... he mostly had exMuslims on and gave a lot of weight to what they said. Was that hypocritical? Not necessarily. If you want to focus on critiquing one text, that doesn't mean you have to critique another. You decide where you put your effort and your research. It is only hypocritical if you get in the way or disparage the critical analysis of your own text while engaging in that for the text of others.

[@vivianpop7917]

I can see the frustration on the face of AronRa at minute 15:00 when asked Bart Ehrman about the Quran, but he reverted talking about Jewish traditions and the New Testament, I think Mr Ehrman will be a soft guest when talking about Islam in future shows.

[@yallam2570]

Your absolutely right. It seems he has more hate when it comes to the Bible, If not why he ask him about onions and started talking about beans

[@dhutch4129]

Dr. Ehrman has been very clear in other videos and talks, and AronRa would be very aware of this, that he doesn't speak on topics he is not an expert in, which is why for these upcoming talks he is partnering with someone else who is an expert of the Quaran.

[@yallam2570]

@@dhutch4129 Bart ehrman is not a fool, he knows exactly what he was saying, thats why he compared the problem in the hadiths with the Bible and say we have the same problem

[@j.mtherandomguy8701]

@@dhutch4129 Dr Hashimi isn’t really an expert. He merely follows other scholars in the field and I highly doubt he would even be critical of the Quran given that he is still an adherent. Dr Ehrman should see this upcoming session as Dawah in disguise.

[@willsimp1273]

@@j.mtherandomguy8701 so you also reject all Christian and jewfish scholars for not being critical, or do you only doubt Muslim scholars?

[@easybandzofficial6456]

Bart's answer to all the questions about islam is Christianity/the bible. 😂

[@averagebodybuilder]

Because he stated he does not know enough about Islam

[@abdar-rahman6965]

Because he is not a Scholar of Islam or Quran

[@anthonycraig274]

Both of my favourite people on religion.

[@Scandimania]

Aron I'm currently listening to your lengthy debate with Kent Hovind. Having left fundamentalism (hovinds baptist branch) I am perplexed as to how I could previously appreciate such an immature charlatan. If you have time, would you please recommend some basic book on science and evolution for someone with very little knowledge and education in the subject? Thanks and keep up the good work sir!

[@christophersoutherlin2631]

It should be "OK" to scrutinize all religions publicly.

[@theonlyway5298]

.....including atheism, humanism and secularism.

[@Mark13091961]

@@theonlyway5298 perhaps look up the meaning of those and you'll realise how they dont fall into the category of being a religion

[@shafiqrehman8128]

@@Mark13091961 so convenient

[@theonlyway5298]

@@Mark13091961 You are right, but then again I didn't say they are a religion. I simply point out that as ideologies they are also to be questioned, critiqued and deconstructed with the same methodology that is currently being used towards religions and religious books. Unless that is done, then no change of human behaviour has been accomplished. All that will have happened is a repetition of previous human social and religious behaviour, transitioning from one ideology to another!

[@Mark13091961]

@@theonlyway5298I agree in principle with you, but taking atheism as an example, it’s not an ideology. Most atheists make no positive claim so have nothing to defend. I don’t believe in any god just the same as I don’t believe in the Flying Spaghetti Monster. The evidence for both is about the same, but as I can’t prove that something doesn’t exist I make no absolute claim. It’s only that ideology that makes the positive claim that needs to defend it

[@j.mtherandomguy8701]

I seriously doubt Dr Hashimi will actually be honest about the Quran, given that he is still ultimately a Muslim who believes in the divine origins of that book. This combined lecture may very well be a Dawah session in disguise, where Dr Hashimi will praise the Quran without end and take advantage of Dr Ehrman’s critical position on the Bible to gain converts to his sect of Islam.

[@tar-elenionmaranwe1275]

Javad Hashmi is a less than honest person. He used to write under the pseudonym 'Danios' for the smear site 'LoonWatch'.

[@trixiepup3079]

THIS!!!!🔝you are 100% spot on. I watched some videos of Mr. Hashimi, he is a very dishonest interlocutor. that is his objective.

[@j.mtherandomguy8701]

@@trixiepup3079 It is unfortunate but that is what they do. Never trust a Muslim when it comes to core theological claims regarding the Quran.

[@trixiepup3079]

@@j.mtherandomguy8701 You are absolutely right!

[@abdar-rahman6965]

Right. It depends, what kind of Scholar is he. True honest or Pseudo Scholar

[@AJones-dv3bi]

An honest Muslim scholar? You have a better chances of seeing Yeti!

[@Simon.the.Likeable]

@ 12:40 - "...Jewish exposition of some of these stories." Salman al Farsi = Solomon the Pharisee. (Yes, I know the Pharisees in Jerusalem were long gone by that stage but traditions remained far removed from Byzantine influence.) There were many more Jews who advised Muhammad than appear in the biographies and hadiths. The purpose of Islam was to turn the pagans into end-times Noachides rather than into trinitarian Christians or, even worse, Jewish converts. So many inconsistencies can be easily explained by understanding this concept.

[@abdar-rahman6965]

All stories of Hadiths are Concocted tales. Prophet Mohammad and his companions left behind Only written Quran; nothing else

[@Naveed_Ali_Apollo]

Aron listening to you from Pakistan, I cannot thank you enough for talking about Islam. Things are not good down here.

[@gotsm9959]

My dog is a god.

[@jacksonsneed7689]

Underrated comment.

[@joman388]

Quite a backwards God ,wouldn't you say,thus no God at all. thanks

[@gotsm9959]

@joman388 Well it said God right on the collar when I adopted him.

[@joman388]

@@gotsm9959 You need to quit reading your dogs collar through the mirror or the collar is backwards.Either way your dog is a creation of God not God,as that would be a huge insult to the real God. thanks

[@joefilter2923]

It’s childish to expect that a translation be exact. This just reveals the bias. The part about the Hadith even now being added and authoritative is just embarrassing!

[@aiya5777]

to understand something that other people understand you have to come out of your mind, jump and swim into the same wavelength as those people

[@Napoleonic_S]

the difference that relevant in today world is that the bible doesn't say "this is the unchanged literal word for word god's word" while the quran explicitly said that, that's why islam is much more violent and resistant to change.

[@johnburn8031]

No, it literal says the opposite in the Bible: Matthew 24:35 ESV Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will not pass away. Psalm 119:89 ESV Forever, O Lord, your word is firmly fixed in the heavens. Isaiah 40:8 ESV The grass withers, the flower fades, but the word of our God will stand forever Psalm 19:7-9 ESV The law of the LORD is perfect, reviving the soul; the testimony of the LORD is sure, making wise the simple; the precepts of the LORD are right, rejoicing the heart; the commandment of the LORD is pure, enlightening the eyes; the fear of the LORD is clean, enduring forever; the rules of the LORD are true, and righteous altogether

[@Napoleonic_S]

@@johnburn8031 That's Judaism and even then the wording is so different and then how the books compiled and canonized also very different Christianity almost did away with Judaism had Marcion won the popularity contest.

[@johnburn8031]

@@Napoleonic_S but Marcion lost and: Matthew 24:35 (NIV): "Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will never pass away." James 1:17 (NIV): "Every good and perfect gift is from above, coming down from the Father of the heavenly lights, who does not change like shifting shadows." Hebrews 13:8 (NIV): "Jesus Christ is the same yesterday and today and forever."

[@joygibbons5482]

@@johnburn8031 Technically Marcion lost, but many Christians pretty much view the Hebrew Scriptures as he did and quietly drop the unappealing bits or reinterpret them fully through the NT, so they slip Marcionism in through the back door while publicly rejecting it.

[@johnburn8031]

@@joygibbons5482 that maybe true, and for the sake of discussion, I'll provisionally accept it as true. However, that doesn't invalidate my objections to the original poster's point. I also cited the New Testament.

[@Gxlto]

This is very odd. I wonder if bart knows about the punctuation marks missing from manuscripts and being added years later according to recitation. I wonder if he knows about the hypothesis regarding words in the quran originating from aramaic and being mistranslated. I wonder if he knows about the lost verses and abrogation. If, indeed, the quranic scholar refers to these (potential) problems, then this will surely be a sign of objectivity and knowledge, in my humble opinion.

[@abdar-rahman6965]

Most of Top Islamic Professors/Scholars of today are agreed that Quran never abrogates its own verses but abrogates some outdated laws of previous scriptures. False Doctrine of Abrogation was invented by Oldi Sunni Imams in order to validate their millions of forged hadiths which they concocted 250 years after the death of Prophet Mohammad

[@0786AHA]

So glad these topics are being discussed. We will get an understanding that the prophet of Islam and the writers of Quran are smarter then Einstein or the knowledge of the Quran is indeed divine. I am going to be following with keen interest. 😂☑️☑️

[@mahmoudsbeih8614]

The only name for women in the Holy Qur’an is Mary. In the Qur’an, there is a unit named Mary. What did Muhammad benefit from these texts?

[@aemiliadelroba4022]

I think we should apply the same “ analytical , textual analysis “ of Quran as well . Why not ! Contradictions , altered words, wrong prophecy , … Quran is based on Torah and Gospels ( as it claims ) yet it diverges away in several main issues , like resurrection of Jesus , Moses story, Jesus stories , Abraham life , … We need to b critical and ask questions to discover the truth .

[@atl.4044]

"Quran is based on Torah and Gospels ( as it claims )". No it does not.

[@BornToBeGoated]

Quran is not based on anything, it is the word of God and has nothing of basis on previous texts.

[@Gxlto]

@@atl.4044 Quran 3:3 _"He has revealed to you ˹O Prophet˺ the Book in truth, confirming what came before it, as He revealed the Torah and the Gospel"_

[@Gxlto]

@@BornToBeGoated Quran 3:3 _"He has revealed to you ˹O Prophet˺ the Book in truth, confirming what came before it, as He revealed the Torah and the Gospel"_

[@cemreomerayna463]

​@@GxltoRead the surah you shared again. It does not say that quran is based on torah/gospels, it says that it reveals the same thing that as was done with these books. In islam, quran and the other three books are its own thing; not sequels of each other. They are supposed to carry the same message, but not be a continuation of the previous one. Whether islam's claims about quran and other books in the bible coincide with the reality or not is another discussion.

[@sulk7080]

The stories about Jesus that come from non-Canonical gospels really interest me! Especially if we see them in a source like Islam! 7:36

[@abdar-rahman6965]

Quran tells: Jesus was on Cross but was not Crucified=Not Died on Cross 4:157. He lived over 100 years 5:110 and died naturally and dead never come back. Independent historical Research also fully supports claim of Quran

[@joerdim]

"Source". Lol.

[@joerdim]

@@abdar-rahman6965 What historical research is that?

[@joygibbons5482]

@@abdar-rahman6965 The Quran is channeling docetism there and again drawing on a late Gnostic Gospel where Jesus only “appears” to be crucified because some other person is made to look like him. The reason that late gospel suggests this is because they thought Jesus was entirely divine, and in no way human. They despised material existence so Jesus as a purely spiritual being couldn’t die. The Quran repeats the claim you’ve described because it doesn’t understand the implications. The historical research into the development of these ideas can demonstrate the link and it makes perfect sense. It also contradicts the rest of the Quran.

[@Rico-Suave_]

Great video, thank you very much, note to self (nts) watched all of it ,

[@amanpalestina9664]

I think I observe about the Atheist and Agnostic : *THEY WERE HONEST WITH THEIR QUESTION AND ENQUIRY* Of course at times they got overboard in their quest to find the truth. The Agree or NOT is a second matter.

[@jreuing4043]

I think Richard Carrier is way more on point than Ehrman

[@ravindraju1]

Bart is very careful not to talk too much about Quran. He is very confortable when commenting Bible. Maybe he thinking that when he rejects Bible & Jesus then automatically Judaism & Islam collapses.

[@polesouth-ey5qq]

He also does not want his head cut off

[@abdar-rahman6965]

In fact, years ago he talked about Quran in bad words, and then I wrote him a open letter: Mr. Ehrman: being a professional; do not comment on any Book which you have neither read nor understood. So he has become now a Wise

[@danielconroy6695]

​@abdar-rahman6965 your capacity to know what another person has read and understood is incredible. Can you do this for all people discussing all subjects or is it only when people point out nonsense in your interpretarion of your preferred religious text? Also, why would a god need you to defend his work rather than just making something that could easily be understood by all?

[@abdar-rahman6965]

@@danielconroy6695 Your cacophonical rant does not not carry any rational content. You have talked in vain

[@danielconroy6695]

@abdar-rahman6965 cacophonical relates to sound so unless you had you carer read it out for you, it is your comment that makes no sense. Please learn how to find definitions before embarrasing yourself further by trying (and failing) to look clever 🤣

[@brunozeigerts6379]

Had a commenter tell me I had to read the Quran to see 'the beauty of the words.' Read it... still can't see the beauty. Lots of repetition, but no beauty,

[@chromechrome-hb1gx]

Look at your heart, not your brain

[@exceptionallyaverage3075]

​@@chromechrome-hb1gxDon't use the brain? That says a lot about all religious superstitionism.

[@brunozeigerts6379]

@@chromechrome-hb1gx So... don't think? My heart found it to be rather reprehensible and intolerant.

[@BenM61]

There appears to be repetition only to the unlearned. Each time a topic is discussed only to add what is pertinent to the subject or another side of the account. And so there is no repetition. And that’s especially obvious when one knows the intricacy of the Arabic language which you have no knowledge of. Every word and every letter is in its right place. It is more like mathematics and its rules.

[@johnbrzykcy3076]

​@@brunozeigerts6379 I'm trying to learn about Islam but I tend to agree that much of the Quran comes across as very repetitive. I'm a Christian believer and I see "beauty" in many of Jesus' words and parables, especially the parables of The Good Samaritan and The Prodigal Son. I'm not trying to be disrespectful to Muslims. I appreciate the discipline of many Muslims. Respectfully from Florida USA

[@yusufshaibu418]

The problem with these people is that they don't believe in God and therefore don't think that God can reveal knowledge of the past to the latter Prophets. They believe the last scripture must necessarily come from oral traditions of the former scripture.

[@petepottieski6673]

You have no evidence of God. You can't believe in something without evidence. Try to look up the word delusional.... Yep that's you...

[@AndersMPettersson]

I just saw Aron Ra vs Kyle Adams an I drank three times as fast as Aron Ra to cope.

[@stevenbyers8747]

It seems like AronRa knows more about Islam than Bart.

[@Contagious93812]

bart doesn't want to talk about islam, he said "i'll start criticizing the quran when i stop valuing my life"

[@averagebodybuilder]

@@Contagious93812 reference?

[@MossyMozart]

@@Contagious93812 - When and where did he say that?

[@abdar-rahman6965]

@@Contagious93812 Me, you, or Bart has no right to comment on a Book which we have neither read fully nor understood Fully. Bart knows nothing about Quran

[@averagebodybuilder]

@@Contagious93812 hey DOG... can you answer the question?

[@aemiliadelroba4022]

The Jewish influences in Quran stories are undeniable , Early infancy gospel of Jesus is similar to Jesus in Quran , Obviously Muhammad had lots of influence from these sources , and more added extra folklore . So .. I think Quran is a work of a man or group of men and not divine source . 😊

[@jcs184]

If the stories in Jewish scriptures are true, do you want them to be different in Quran? If there’s just one God, why the stories of His books should be different?

[@BornToBeGoated]

@@jcs184stop responding to these morons. The Quran is astoundingly unique and does not copy from any of the corrupted books that are filled with errors.

[@aemiliadelroba4022]

@@jcs184 They are man made stories from men who invented their own tribal Gods .

[@abdar-rahman6965]

You are telling lies and only lies. You neither know Quran nor Comparative Religion. You have no any even basic idea on this subject, so better to shut

[@hoopoe3093]

If you think Muhammad forged the Quran, produce a chapter like it, 10 chapters or the whole book. It's a challenge Allah made since 1400 years ago, yet none is able to do it until now❗😮

[@BigZebraCom]

Behind Dr Bart Erhman there appears to be a painting of Barbara Bush and someone else...?

[@dancahill9585]

I'd love to hear a Quran for dummies lecture sometime. I'd like to know the basics of the story in the same way everyone in the west has a basic understanding of the Bible.

[@backpackmatt]

Forget about religion and start talking about CIRCUMCISION!!! 😢❤😮

[@ahassen1236]

It's absolutely no doubt to me that if the Quran was written by man, not only would there be errors, no memorisations right down to a single letter for over 14 centuries, no mass pilgrimages to Mecca, no rigorous devotion to God that we see clearly throughout history! It is very much the word of God and the truth. How you see that is perhaps your own lens in which you choose to see look into or how sincere you wish to be.

[@user-lj9zq4dr5t]

The Quran was 100% written by men. Uthman's men!

[@user-lj9zq4dr5t]

Whose words are these in sura al-jinn, 72:2 "It leads to Right Guidance so we believed in it, and we will never associate anyone with our Lord 'in worship'. 'Now, we believe that our Lord-Exalted is His Majesty-has neither taken a mate nor offspring,"

[@0786AHA]

​@@user-lj9zq4dr5t Utmans men way smarter then entirety of the society until Columbus sailed to the new world?

[@assyriannahrin]

UNBELIEVABLE ‼️ Ancient religions lasted for 1000 of years too ,did it make them right ? I believe NOT

[@0786AHA]

@@assyriannahrin Islam is divine. It came to correct all the miss guided religions for thousands of years. Is Islam wrong? You need to read Quran. 💯☑️☑️☑️

[@keepingup2952]

I couldn't be a Muslim because my tuberosities extend out further than my patella, and it hurts really bad to be on my knees.

[@ME-yp7fn]

Sick people and who has a special condition that prevent them to stand up while praying and be on their knees when prostrating are allowed to pray on chair or even on bed if the condition is so severe, you need to read more about Islam and you will found it easy. May Allah guide you to his straight path.

[@keepingup2952]

@@ME-yp7fn But the World is Satan's Domain, which means that there are no holy places on it. Why must we pray towards Mecca and the Kaaba. That would be idolatry, which scripture strictly forbids.

[@FHD80057]

You don’t have to be on your knees if it’s painful. I often see older people in the mosque stand and replace the other positions with just sitting on a chair and bowing while seated

[@Christisking11126]

The difference is he’s been studying Christianity for 30 years to the core he hasn’t studied Islam so his sayings are invalid and backed with no evidence. However he’s studied Christianity for 30+ years and was devoted to Christianity all his life. This is a problem for you guys 👋😂

[@venenareligioest410]

Prof. Ehrman, please ask the Quranic expert about this single fact that exposes Islam. How did Jibril جبريل (Gabriel) re-reveal the Quran to Mohammed, show him heaven and hell, and tell Mary that she would give birth to Jesus when The Book of Daniel, in which Gabriel first appeared, has been shown conclusively to be a forgery!! The Book of Daniel had several authors over centuries, and the Angel called Gabriel first appears towards the end of the book of Daniel in the expanded (forged) Hebrew section, the original text was written in Aramaic! Gabriel was created simply as a cynical device to facilitate the ‘reinterpretation’ of the failed prophesy of Jeremiah and as a piece of Jewish propaganda to support the Maccabees! It claims to be written at the end of the sixth century or early in the fifth century but independent scholars have shown it was in fact written centuries later around the summer of 165BCE and was intended to deceive! PLEASE fact check from independent academic sources, not from the people who lied to you!

[@AronRa]

I predict Islamic scholars would say that Daniel was a forgery, and that the only truth found therein was also revealed in the Qur'an.

[@rogerhales9966]

​@AronRa Aron ,,this is the numbskull you choose to prove what ? He's an idiot

[@venenareligioest410]

@@AronRa Yes, but they have a problem and so does Judaism and Christianity, in as much as every mention of Gabriel and his activities (3 in Quran, 2 in the Bible, 2 in the Old Testament) can now be seen to be false, invalidating the story concerned. The Book of Daniel is neither authentic as a book of history, nor authentic as a book of prophecy, because it is a work of fiction. This one fact destroys the very basis of Islam, the re-revelation of the Quran by Gabriel, if that did not happen then everything that followed is academic, lies and more lies based on a founding lie.

[@abdar-rahman6965]

You are talking from millions of Fabricated hadiths; not from Quran which Mohammad and his companions ONLY left behind. Quran tells, that it was downloaded on the heart of Prophet and those people who understand Arabic at expert level, know that Arabic of Quran cannot be Arabic of any Human. 1400 years ago, God challenged Arab Pagans and Poets in verse 17:88 to produce even one para like a para of Quran, and no one accepted that Challenge. God is verbatim in Quran. Just see following example: Quran 50:16 (God says) NOW, VERILY, *it is We* who have created human, and *We know* what his innermost self whispers within him: for We are closer to him than his neck-vein. (Asad) (NOTE: "We" is Majestic Plural) Have you noticed, who is speaking in this verse? Quran 50:43 (God says) Verily, *it is We* who grant life and deal death; and *with Us* will be all journeys’ end (asad) Have you noticed, who is speaking in this verse? That story of Flying Horse Buraq on which Mohammad was shown hell and Paradise come from a fabricated hadith. It never exists in Quran. Your reference from extra-Quranic Previous books cannot be accepted because even Top Professors of New and Old testament say that Bible , Torah and Injeel is corrupted. *John Burton PhD was Professor on Islam. He was non-Muslim. He wrote a Book "the collection of the Quran". After heavy argumentation, he concluded that Quran which we have today is same Quran which was with Mohammad 1400 years ago.* Being the Final Book, God has taken responsibility to protect Quran. Quran was preserved in double mode. Revelations were written down instantly, and at the same time whole Quran was memorized. Today, there are about 50 millions Hafiz who memorize whole Quran and recite in the same one way. Is it not a miracle? If you throw all books and computer archives in Ocean; Quran will be right back. Bring one Hafiz and print whole Quran again. For 1400 years, continuously (without any break), Hafiz (now 50 million) are indeed a CHECK on Quranic Text. Will you change even one word of Quran; you will be challenged by 50 million Hafiz God says in 15:9 *We have sent down the Quran Ourself, and We Ourself will guard it* Quran 17:88 *Say: 'If all mankind and all invisible beings would come together with a view to producing the like of this Qur'an, they could not produce its like even though they were to exert all their strength in aiding one another!* Quran 41:42 *No falsehood can approach it (Quran) from before or behind it: *It is sent down by One Full of Wisdom, Worthy of all Praise.* Most of Top professor of Islam of today agreed that Quran never abrogates its own verses but abrogates some outdated laws of previous Scripture. Oldi Sunni Imams invented lie of Abrogation in order to validate their some forged Hadiths which contradicted Quran. When their any forged hadith contradicted any verse of Quran; Sunni Imam said: that Quranic verse is abrogated.

[@venenareligioest410]

@@abdar-rahman6965 Are you a Quranists? Islam has a different, more hypocritical logic to normal, sane, people. It goes something like this; 1. ‘Ah yes, it says THAT that but it means THIS….’ 2. ‘You quoted from the Hadith but they aren’t the word of god!’ (but we rely on them to provide the five pillars of Islam, plus meaning and structure to our lives which GOD couldn’t be bothered to give us in the quran)’. 3. ‘The translations of the Quran lose the meaning of the original’ (unless we want to make a point by quoting from the translations, then they are ok’.) The implication being that every non Arab speaking Muslims in the world is reading an inaccurate and corrupted translated copy of the Quran which has lost its meaning from the original Quran in Arabic! 4. ‘The Bible is corrupted’. (Unless we want to plagiarise the history, stories and characters from it or quote from it to our own ends - then it’s fine.) As regards this Surah challenge nonsense, some people may think that the Classical Arabic of the Qur’an is the most beautiful thing they have ever heard. Other people may respond in an entirely different way and may think that a recital of, for example, The Iliad of Homer is much more ‘divine’ than the Qur’an, personally I find the eloquence and beauty in parts of the Bhagavad Gita far surpass the Quran. This is a very subjective challenge! Who will be the impartial judges on whether the challenge has been met or not? Will Muslims actually acknowledge that the Qur’an is defeated when the challenge is met? This is highly unlikely. You can almost imagine many ‘Suras like it’ being produced, and devoted Muslims acting as judge and jury to reject all contenders as a matter of course! You need to remember that without the 25% of the Quran which is incomprehensible, even to Muslim scholars, and the 25-35% which is plagiarised, the Quran would be a pamphlet - not a very impressive effort from ‘Allah’.

[@0ptimusbibIe]

This is kinda sad Dr Bart Ehrman isnt an islamic scholars and yet Aronra keeps baiting Dr Bart Ehrman to say something negative. props to Dr Ehrman for staying professional. total click bait.

[@kinanshmahell8065]

no real scholar disagrees on the very human origin of the quran

[@WaqasAli-ct7ly]

​@@kinanshmahell8065thats objectively untrue lol

[@kinanshmahell8065]

@WaqasAli-ct7ly the quran is plagiarized from the Talmud and non Canon new testament 🤣🤣

[@j.mtherandomguy8701]

@@WaqasAli-ct7ly When you rely on blind faith, then it is objectively untrue.

[@taufiqatiq6563]

He should not mention jawad hashmi as a reference as that man is a complete joke. Hasmi is more inclined in pleasing his white employer just to make a living, his character is a sellout character.

[@emranba-abbad8335]

I wish you also listen to traditional Muslim view and see for your own self how it fits together. There are many points to comment on this video, three of them are: 1) Quran preservation: Quran is equally a written revelation and oral one. All Muslims are encouraged to memorize it all and be exact about reciting it. It is recited aloud in the prayers. In prayer if someone makes a mistake, he will be immediately be corrected by others. Thus All Muslims continue to recite the same thing since the beginning and today this is demonstrated and anyone can check it for himself. 2) Quran is only in Arabic. The translations are the interpretation by the translator and is influenced by his/her understanding. Quran states it is preserved and will never change, however translations are NOT. I myself when I quote something of the Quran translated, I look up several translations and make my own linguistic translation which is closer to the Arabic meaning. I did not dedicate my life to making such translation because no one seems to be interested in knowing what the text exactly say. 3) The biblical stories are narrated in the Quran with modifications. The assumption is they all came from the same author (The One God) except that "people of the book" had changed some to fit their own deviated views; however, the same author (The One God) is correcting their understanding and preserving the final message He is sending to all HUMANS and all the JINN. I hope you continue your research and find what you are looking for.

[@whootoo1117]

Hashmi is not a quran schlar. He is a guy that is looking for fame. Muslims had 1400 had a lot of books about it. The problems you want to impose does not exist.

[@evecruz0167]

❤

[@cafeespresso99]

A surprisingly lightweight discussion 😞

[@johnbrzykcy3076]

"It's not clear to me". I appreciate the honesty because I'm trying to understand some of the verses in the Quran. So far I'm confused. I'm a simple Christian believer. And I do respect Muslims. Respectfully from Florida USA.

[@abdar-rahman6965]

When some one does not Understand whole Quran; he has no right to comment on Quran

[@zak992]

we too have immense respect for our christain friends, we have more that unites us than divides us, for we are both trying to please our Creator God/Allah most High but in different ways, as to your comment if you look at quranic verses in isolation they may be unclear/confusing, as a born muslim I have the advantage of knowing the context of the more " controversial " verses as well as having a holistic view of what the quran is trying to achieve, you and people like Aaron will not have this and so will have to rely more on other peoples interpretations, in my experience whenever people get involved in God`s word one has to be very careful it can take you in a direction not intended

[@andrewbryce2707]

Totally opposite to me. The Quran answered all the doubts I had about Christianity when growing up. I always questioned the trinity doctrine and could never get clear answers from Christians to why it makes no sense. Reading the Qur'an made it so clear to me and completely logical regarding Jesus just being a prophet of god. By the way before I read the Qur'an I knew nothing about islamic doctrine. Reading the Qur'an felt like these are the words of the creator. I never once got that feeling when I ever read the bible.

[@user-lj9zq4dr5t]

​@@andrewbryce2707If they are the words from the creator why are there holes in the narrative according to Yasir Qadhi?

[@andrewbryce2707]

@@user-lj9zq4dr5t do you think Yasir Qadhi is the only scholar in Islam. Scholars refuted his claims with ease. Maybe hard to believe but Yasir is not the sole authority of islamic texts.

[@stephenwedderburn9307]

Hi Aron . As someone who doesn't believe in deities or religion I find it odd that it's not the deity that tries to convince me it's real, it's other humans! And getting these people to get their deity to do the simplest of things that would convince me, they can't, and come up with all sorts of excuses as to why their deity won't do or can't do the convincing. I don't purport to have this wonderful life, but I know one thing, believing in an invisible, powerless being won't make my life better. In fact, less violence, corruption, greed, and bigotry would make my life much better than any deity could!

[@drewharrison6433]

Totally off the subject and I'm sorry for that but Ive noticed that so many people over 60 are wearing circular horn rim glasses. What is this about? Are they trying to look like Harry Potter? Maybe it's just selection bias on my part. Anyone else notice this?

[@davidmcnaughty4889]

Put the pipe down.

[@korymangum3836]

It’s all projection and signaling. Noticeable glasses highlight the visual/“optics” of life. He’s signaling that that is important to him. The roundness signals symmetry in all directions with their thinking. Ask yourself, where exactly are you seeing a lot of over 60 people doing this? Is it done by people that are into image and balanced thinking? All of this can be mapped on a toroidal Cartesian coordinate system which would tell you more. Including if part of the reason is to hide their eyes.

[@johnburn8031]

You've put the cart before the horse. It's from Boomer style that Harry Potter's style of glasses come from. It's to indicate that the Wizarding world is stuck in the past. There are other possible reasons. Thar style of glasses were in fashion in the 90s when the books were written. The films used the imagery from the book covers.

[@Reewnat]

Also one easy clarification that I failed to mention is that there are about 50,000 hadith but with all of the transmissions (since these were multiply transmitted in many cases), there are several hundred thousand hadith. My sincere advice is to invite someone who is a traditional scholar of Islam (or whatever religion is the topic) to avoid the guesswork and conjecture, and this will allow you to ask the hard questions and have that substantive discussion whether you both end up agreeing or not.

[@NordinPumbaya]

Makes you wonder why ask Bible experts on issues about the Quran? Honestly.

[@thenun1846]

As an ex Muslim, I find the topic fascinating. Whilst the bible has problems, the Quran is dependant on it. It plagiarized it's stories and even worse, claims that it CONFIRMS it. They are absolutely right in that the Qur'an is far from clear

[@joygibbons5482]

Good points. The Quran also seems to be repeating ideas from gnostic later writings e.g The Gospel of Basilidies where Jesus in substituted on the cross because he’s a divine/cosmic figure who cannot die, which directly contradicts the view that Jesus is purely a human prophet. It reads like a mash-up of ideas circulating at the time.

[@user-rk5iv5ew2d]

Hadeeth is strictly narrated to the sayings of the prophet Mohammad.. the hadeeth chain of narrators is extremely scrutinized and filtered to sort a strong authenticity of the hadeeth from a weak one.

[@petepottieski6673]

If you read the Quran then you know Mohammed was Satans beeotch. Child grooming, beating your wife, and lying... Yep GOOD book 😂

[@Stardust475]

Just because you have a stable rasm doesnt mean that there arent hundreds of differences in variants and qiraat - these aren't dialects as traditional narrative states

[@mahmoudsbeih8614]

Science does not flatter anyone. Bee chromosome 16 Arrangement of the bee unit in the Holy Qur’an 16 Ant chromosome 27 Arrangement of the ant unit in the Holy Qur’an 27 Spider chromosome 29 Arrangement of the spider unit 29 in the Qur’an. Name isa (Gesus) 25. Name Adam 25 Once

[@petepottieski6673]

Thanks for keeping us away from Islam. Go Mo..... Best comments are the Mo's. Thank you for your display of pure ignorance. Good to see you watching but you should actually listen.

[@rizwanrafeek3811]

Quran has got built-in checksum, one cannot add or remove words in the Quran. In the Quran God speaks in first-person narrative, whereas in the NT men were speaking, so men's words vs God's words comparison, whose words will you trust ?