Dr Bart Ehrman on ...the Qur'an?

[@Lightman741]

Up at 04:30 in the UK listening to this.

[@koraggknightwolf8454]

Bart Ehrman's expertise in linguistics and the Bible makes him such a treasure to have for this community. Whether you agree with him or not about Jesus existing or his opinion on the poetic beauty of it... I feel we owe him a great debt in his work in the reliability of the New testament linguistically and historically. Same with Dr Josh

[@whiteegretx]

I used to be a Jesus sceptic but now my opinion is... Maybe he existed lol. I still find Ehrman's arguments for Jesus's existence lacking. But he also supports Jesus's existence because it's literally his career. If he said that Jesus didn't exist, then his career would be studying a non existent figure and that would be silly. So I don't think we can take his word for it, but that doesn't mean Jesus didn't exist either.

[@MB-nx9tq]

@@whiteegretx A. I am an atheist and I am convinced Jesus and Paul existed, but of course the life of Jesus is distorted in the gospel accounts as they were written a few decades after his life and B. I sincerely think that Dr Ehrman agrees that Jesus and Paul existed not based on that he wants it to be but because the evidence points in that direction. There are many people who devote their lives to the study of Socrates, but Socrates has less evidence of him actually existing than Jesus. It’s not the person, but the ideas that they or their followers have brought that have so influenced the world. Dr Ehrman is also a scholar of Greek, even if Jesus did not exist his followers changed the world and their ideas are worthy to be studied.

[@celiand2618]

Am much more of the opinion JesusSES existed and got compiled into one. We have that very thing with Merlin and we found some.

[@kaloarepo288]

@@whiteegretx To paraphrase and alter Voltaire "If Jesus didn't exist it would be necessary to invent him" The ethics of the New Testament are excellent!

[@whiteegretx]

@@kaloarepo288 - If you're not being sarcastic, I must say that I disagree with you and your altered Voltaire quote (though I'm not sure I disagree with his original quote.) I don't find the ethics of the new testament novel or even good. There are common sense things, sure. But beyond that, there are things in the new testament that are atrocious and must be disregarded.

[@uriituw]

Hello, kitties and puppies.

[@olgakim4848]

Meow.

[@backpackmatt]

Meow? 😻

[@brandonhill1096]

Woof!

[@katinapac-baez5083]

Honestly makes me smile every time I hear it, especially since I'm usually listening to videos at work and don't necessarily know what's next.

[@theinnerlight8016]

Two of my favorite people I only know from the internet together! 🎉 Thanks for all you do. 🖖

[@FahadAyaz]

Love the video! 13:50 Just a small clarification. Expanding upon the Quran and words of Muhammad aren't called hadiths (which are the sayings of Muhammad), they're called tafsir (commentary) and aren't considered as authoritative as the first two and can have a wide range of opinions.

[@joman388]

Very good apparently all the tasfirs for over 400 years believed the sun sat in a puddle.What does that tell you? thanks

[@joefilter2923]

@@joman388🫠

[@deenforce1142]

@@joman388 Let me guess, you are referring to the “good old” distortion of Quranic text Sarah 18:86 right? Well let’s look at the actual Arabic Quran!!! حَتَّىٰٓ إِذَا بَلَغَ مَغْرِبَ ٱلشَّمْسِ وَجَدَهَا تَغْرُبُ فِى عَيْنٍ حَمِئَةٍۢ وَوَجَدَ عِندَهَا قَوْمًۭا ۗ قُلْنَا يَـٰذَا ٱلْقَرْنَيْنِ إِمَّآ أَن تُعَذِّبَ وَإِمَّآ أَن تَتَّخِذَ فِيهِمْ حُسْنًۭا ٨٦ “until he reached the setting (point)of the sun, which appeared to him to be setting in a spring of murky water, where he found some people. We said, “O Ⱬul-Qarnain! Either punish them or treat them kindly.” Surah 18, verse 86) This is what all the Christian apologist use against Islam, I saw if from Ibn Warraq, Jay Smith, David Wood, Sam Sharon, Apostate Prophet, etc. Why not take a step further; are you going to claim that “people exist in murky water” too? Mr. Tafsir will straiten you out: (Until, when he reached the setting place of the sun,) means, he followed a route until he reached the furthest point that could be reached in the direction of the sun's setting, which is the west of the earth. -ibn Kathir. Problem solved.

[@xshiro83]

​​​@@joman388where is that verse saying sunset in puddle? I am assuming i know the verse but i am just asking you give the specific verse number just to confirm

[@joman388]

@@xshiro83 Koran 18 verse 86 until when he reached the point of sunset, he found it setting into a miry spring, and found a people near it. We said, “O Dhul-Qarnain, either punish them or adopt good behavior with them.” A few verses in Hadiths also further explain that the sun sets in a puddle as well, thanks

[@erichwebb8312]

Thanks for the share ….. appreciate both of you for your work ….. take care ✝️

[@vivianpop7917]

I can see the frustration on the face of AronRa at minute 15:00 when asked Bart Ehrman about the Quran, but he reverted talking about Jewish traditions and the New Testament, I think Mr Ehrman will be a soft guest when talking about Islam in future shows.

[@yallam2570]

Your absolutely right. It seems he has more hate when it comes to the Bible, If not why he ask him about onions and started talking about beans

[@dhutch4129]

Dr. Ehrman has been very clear in other videos and talks, and AronRa would be very aware of this, that he doesn't speak on topics he is not an expert in, which is why for these upcoming talks he is partnering with someone else who is an expert of the Quaran.

[@yallam2570]

@@dhutch4129 Bart ehrman is not a fool, he knows exactly what he was saying, thats why he compared the problem in the hadiths with the Bible and say we have the same problem

[@j.mtherandomguy8701]

@@dhutch4129 Dr Hashimi isn’t really an expert. He merely follows other scholars in the field and I highly doubt he would even be critical of the Quran given that he is still an adherent. Dr Ehrman should see this upcoming session as Dawah in disguise.

[@homer1273]

@@j.mtherandomguy8701 so you also reject all Christian and jewfish scholars for not being critical, or do you only doubt Muslim scholars?

[@CatrinaDaimonLee]

"this is pure blasphemy!" ..ok that is good news, there are so few things in life these days that are pure anything...

[@CatrinaDaimonLee]

blasphemy is a town north of jerusalem, or a kind of kosher meat :/

[@CatrinaDaimonLee]

steve blasphemy...reservoir dogs...?

[@kellydalstok8900]

Blasphemy, the victimless crime.

[@joerdim]

And "Gehenna" (in islamic tradition "Jahannam" = hell) is actually a valley with an important ancient necropolis southwest of Jerusalem.

[@Skiipper1]

The only thing pure in this world is Aron ra’s BULLSHIT 😂😂😂😂😂

[@arkdark5554]

These two are very knowledgeable, and open minded, cool guys. Religious dudes can learn loads from them.

[@ibrahimelmasry-z3k]

اتوقع انهما لايعرفان القران مثلهما لايمكن ان يعرف القران

[@taufiqatiq6563]

Aron is as big of a fool as can be.

[@joman388]

Yes as a Christian my best Bible studies are from those who misrepresent Christianity or hate it. thanks

[@joefilter2923]

These two bring so much baggage that they can’t get out of their sandbox

[@joman388]

@@taufiqatiq6563 That would be what the God of the bible tells us.All men know there is a God by the creation ,but the fool in His heart says there is no God. thanks

[@BlueOceanBelow]

Great to see Dr. Ehrman on again! Been subscribed to you both for some time and have learned more about evolution and Christianity than I ever did in school or in church.

[@averagebodybuilder]

Got to hand it to Dr. Bart. He several times showed he does not much about Islam and admitted so many times in different forms, "I don't know"

[@joman388]

Likely because he wishes to live without a Solomon Ruskie fatwa on His head. I[[[m is that wicked. thanks

[@averagebodybuilder]

@@joman388 or he is intellectually honest. If he does not know he said so.

[@handfuloflight]

so why is he commenting on the quran lol

[@frozht17]

@@averagebodybuilder He admitted he doesn't do any work about the Quran because he doesn't want to get beheaded. It was on one of his Q&As, I believe in a debate against Dr Daniel Wallace.

[@averagebodybuilder]

@@frozht17 did he ACTUALLY say that? If so please cite the reference. You won't. You never will.

[@mf2015]

Thanks lots for your years of work of debunking bullshit Aron 💙

[@kaloarepo288]

Dawkins has just lamented that his debunking of Christianity over the years has led to the propagation of a cult far far worse -Aron Ra has done the same debunking and he will regret too when he finds himself surrounded by shariah law!

[@clemstevenson]

Sherlock Holmes is currently investigating the case of people believing in things that cannot be demonstrated to be true. He says that it is probably due to public gullibility...no shit, Sherlock.

[@annodomini7250]

Can you demonstrate it is not true?

[@seismicwhale5371]

​@annodomini7250 you mean prove a negative? Literally not possible except for having the same probability as the most ridiculous inference you could possibly imagine...rendering it near absolute zero.

[@annodomini7250]

@@seismicwhale5371 I see so you should be able to prove a positive prove that God is true. When you can or cannot you have proved your position.

[@abubakarmohammed1924]

This is the Book (the Qur’ân), whereof there is no doubt, a guidance to those who are Al-Muttaqûn [the pious believers of Islamic Monotheism who fear Allâh much (abstain from all kinds of sins and evil deeds which He has forbidden) and love Allâh much (perform all kinds of good deeds which He has ordained)]. TMQ 2:2

[@petepottieski6673]

No doubt of the amount of bs. Muslim scholar lmfao... Oxymoron... Or just a moron

[@joygibbons5482]

“This is the Book, whereof there is no doubt” Well I’ve doubts, as have millions, so that’s nonsense for a start

[@styapramana]

​@@joygibbons5482 AL QURAN,,,, IS THE REAL WORDS OF GOD,,,, ITS PRESERVED WELL,,,, ❤❤❤

[@AndromedaBARNARDINO555]

​@@styapramana😅😅😅

[@styapramana]

@@AndromedaBARNARDINO555 😂😂😂

[@grapeshot]

Yeah the Japanese Christians believe there was a switch up and the real Jebus ended up in Japan as a rice farmer😂

[@antondovydaitis2261]

Isekai Jesus?

[@nakenmil]

Japanese Mormonism, lol.

[@arkdark5554]

Wait a second. Do not Mormons think Jesus sailed to America?😅😅😅😅 Even Jesus can’t be at the two locations at the same time. So America, or Japan?

[@RFDRofficial]

@@arkdark5554i think mormons believe jewish people before jesus sailed to america and then jesus just showed up one day to tell them what happened to him in the middle east😭

[@kellydalstok8900]

Being able to walk on water comes in handy when you’re working in a rice field.

[@ErikInPortland]

Dr. Ehrman’s glasses are on point. Love the style! (And I’m looking forward to the seminar!)

[@andrewbryce2707]

Aron has got his islamic teachings of Jesus from the ahmadiyya cult who are not even considered to be Muslims.

[@myxos]

Ahmadiyyas are great friends of Christians cause they love to pass themselves off as Muslims while believing in things completely contradictory to Islam. Its like a Mormon trying to tell you they're an Orthodox Christian. Ahmadiyyas have done lots of damage spreading falsehood to morons like Aron.

[@nakeebissadeen1606]

Good exercise. Qur'an challenges these scholars to find contradictions in it. Then do they not reflect upon the Qur’ān? If it had been from [any] other than Allāh, they would have found within it much contradiction. (4:82)

[@donzabonanza]

Lmao ! Yeah because the Muslim world is full of ppl critical of the Quran. You murder anyone who raises any concerns 😂😂

[@I_Fish_In_A_TIE]

There's many contradictions in the Quran

[@nakeebissadeen1606]

@I_Fish_In_A_TIE I would be grateful if you list one of them for me, please.

[@I_Fish_In_A_TIE]

@@nakeebissadeen1606 Mary's relationship to Moses

[@nakeebissadeen1606]

@I_Fish_In_A_TIE Following are the verses of Quran that you referred to: Verse 19:27-28 Then she brought him to her people, carrying him. They said, O Mary, you have certainly done a thing unprecedented. O sister [i.e., descendant] of Aaron, your father was not a man of evil, nor was your mother unchaste. The word sister was used in this verse to indicate her lineage to the Prophet Aaron who was a pious and God fearing man. The people were accusing Mary, coming down from such a noble lineage, how could she commit such a shameful act by bringing a baby without a father. For example, in Mathew 1:1 from the New King James Version: The book of the genealogy of Jesus Christ, the Son of David, the Son of Abraham: Jesus was referred here as the son of David and son of Abraham. He was not the biological son of David or Abraham but a descendant of them. In Old days people were called son, daughter, sister or brother of their noble ancestors. Quran is the word of God. You will not find any contradiction in it but the Greek Gospels were written by anonymous human authors. You will find hundreds of contradictions in them.

[@canusapak7535]

I'm not so sure Javad Hashmi will be truly critical of the Quran since he is still an ardent believer in the Quran as a divine book. He will probably make Islam sound great at the end of it all. 😅

[@trixiepup3079]

exactly!

[@j.mtherandomguy8701]

It is a Dawah session in disguise. DO NOT ATTEND IT.

[@sub7se7en]

Pretty sure that guy is a heretic. But there are plenty of Western Quranic scholars who vouch for it's reliability. non-Muslim scholars.

[@MossyMozart]

Oh - a group of mind-readers here!

[@trixiepup3079]

@@MossyMozart Based on his previous conduct we can infer that it is his objective this time as well. Not mind readers. Using our brain to make logical conclusions.

[@SamraHussein-zz8tu]

We got it from the Quran in this verse Surah an-Nisa' 157. And for their saying, “We have killed the Messiah, Jesus, son of Mary, the Messenger of Allah.” In fact, they did not kill him, nor did they crucify him, but it appeared to them as if they did. Those who differ about him are in doubt about it. They have no knowledge of it, except the following of assumptions. They certainly did not kill him.

[@hammedkhalil1302]

Why not a muslim scholar who answers these questions?: ❓

[@youtubestudiosucks978]

Why dont you?

[@joshridinger3407]

same reason we don't look to christian fundamentalists for the truth about the bible

[@petepottieski6673]

No such thing as a Muslim scholar. You can only be a Muslim scholar if you are pointing out the bs like Mr. Ra..... Mr. Ra is a true Muslim scholar! He clearly pointed out the nonsense. That's a scholar!

[@SamOx-bf8ml]

because scholars study or hold live debates. They don't venture into the comments. it wastes their time. They prefer to learn and cultivate themselves by doing historical research. a video can reach thousands of people at once. a comment will reach 50-100 people maximum. it doesn't matter, whether it's Jews, Christians or Muslims, They simply don't have time to debate in the comments.

[@gooner2047]

So, the strory of noah in the Qur’an is well documented, and it touches on adam and Eve and the forbidden tree in many surahs. By the sounds of it you never read the Qur’an. Your bible is full of lies and fabrications about the prophets. Alhamdulillah for islam and the holly Qur’an

[@petepottieski6673]

Yo Mo.... Thanks for proof of a delusional thought. Go to a real school. To be educated you actually need to read books.... More than 1 lol.... Try a bio class... It's better to keep your mouth closed and have people believe you are ignorant than to open it and remove doubt. Good luck with a real education.

[@LanceHall]

I like Bart he seems genuine.

[@joman388]

Yes genuinely wrong is Ehrman,as well as Aron. thanks

[@aahhhhhhhhhhhhh]

​@@joman3880 explanation, 0 value to the conversation

[@joman388]

@@aahhhhhhhhhhhhh If that's the case then we are both in the same boat,wouldn't you say? thanks

[@aahhhhhhhhhhhhh]

@@joman388 No because my claim does not require an explanation to be true. You are making a claim on minutes of speech while I am on one single sentence.

[@joman388]

@@aahhhhhhhhhhhhh How do you know that my claim isn't just one single sentence?Isnt your conversation here nonsense? thanks

[@joefilter2923]

Bart is acting foolish when he tries to explain how Muslims have Jesus wrong! This is kind of embarrassing for a scholar. He might need to take a class or 10, as a start. It’s as if he doesn’t know anything about Islam.

[@gooner2047]

That's what I was thinking!! It's like he never read the Qur’an!

[@NordinPumbaya]

Here is an interesting fact. Most if not the majority of Christian theological scholars have a scarce understanding of Islam as a religion. Imagine calling yourself a doctor of divinity and not knowing what other faiths look like? On the other hand, most Muslim scholars of theology have a good understanding of Christianity and the Bible! Just watch both sides on YT.

[@joygibbons5482]

@@NordinPumbaya Really? Not that I’ve noticed.

[@NordinPumbaya]

@@joygibbons5482 yes that's true. try watching channels that host both Christian and non Christian scholars like @bloggingtheology or others...

[@apakansaja8505]

*Aaron, if you got a problem with your car, go to the car mechanic. If you got problem with your fridge you go to the technician. If you got problem with your electric system, go to the electrician. And if you are sick, go to the doctor. Dont try to cure yourself. These people have given their lives to study their favourite subject matter. They the expert. We laymen best to listen to the expert. Unlike us, they know what they are talking about.*

[@easybandzofficial6456]

Aronra: tell us about the quran Bart erhman: well the bible............

[@arefinkamal7654]

Who gave the atheists the right to criticize religion AND to lecture the believers on how they should respond to criticism?

[@theonlyway5298]

@@arefinkamal7654 How dare you criticize atheists!! Who do you think you are to question them let alone criticise them??? That is absolute blasphemy and they should never be questioned or critiqued as their ideas are sacred!

[@taufiqatiq6563]

Bert is honest that's why he is not giving his opinion regarding Quran, as he is not a scholar in quran. But stupid Aron think himself as islamic scholar,

[@DDDSSDDDSSDDDSS]

Erhman doesn't know about quran and hadeeths except for a passing knowledge

[@joerdim]

@@arefinkamal7654 Well, in my country it's the constitution that gives me that right.

[@IgorTryp]

The stories in the Quran are what we would expect from someone who had heard the stories but couldn't remember the details.

[@homer1273]

you dont even make sense. what details does the Quran say it forgot ? you need to learn that not every book has to give you specific details, especially books that are constructed as poetry. you are someone who expects every book to read like telephone book or cook book. if you want specifics there are other Islamic books about history, and biographies. and hadith books also have many specific details

[@exceptionallyaverage3075]

​@@homer1273Where in the muslim superstitionist fairy-tale book does it explain how to make lasagna? Or change a flat tire? That thing is no better than the christian fairy-tale book.

[@sub7se7en]

Except the Quran gets historical details right that the Bible gets wrong.

[@exceptionallyaverage3075]

@@sub7se7en Fantastic 4 comics get historical details right, so they must be true.

[@ibrahimelmasry-z3k]

هل قرأت القران؟ القران لم يقل ان زوجه ادم هي من أغوته بالاكل من شجره تفاح الكتاب المقدس قال ذلك القران لم يقل ان ثعبان تكلم وخدع سيده ليأكل ادم الكتاب المقدس قال ذلك القران قال ان الشيطان هو من خدع ادم (الشيطان ليس كاءن خرافي الشيطان هو التفكير الخاطيء التفكير الغير علمي الشيطان هو الوهم الشيطان = الانحراف عن الطريق المستقيم) الكتاب المقدس قال ان طوفان نوح اغرق العالم القران قال ان طوفان نوح اغرق قريه نوح فقط الكتاب المقدس قال ان موسي خرج من مصر هاربا ومعه مليون انسان القران قال ان موسي خرج من قريه صغيره في اليمن مع عدد محدود جدا لايزيد عن 1000انسان الكتاب المقدس قال اقتلوا الاطفال والنساء والبقر والحمير واحرقوا المدن وابقروا بطون الحوامل لقتل الأجنه وخذوا الشابات سبايا وعبيد لكن القران لم يقل ذلك ابدا فكيف تجرؤ ان تقول القران اخذ قصص الكتاب المقدس ونسي الباقي؟ القران كتاب نبيل يعلمنا تعاليم راقيه وليس كالكتاب المقدس

[@eazouz]

Salam alykoum Quran is the continuation of the massage to all humanity and confirm the one god ( Allah ). All the prophets came with same massage that god is one the unseen god as man grow in knowledge man needed more info as for every time in history until finally human graduated and ready to go thru life on his own with the basic principles and guidance the final and last testament Quran 😊

[@AronRa]

Final and last? Until the Book of Mormon.

[@JamalAdam455]

​@@AronRaAron I watched your debate with Daniel and I enjoyed it can you do another one

[@christophersoutherlin2631]

It should be "OK" to scrutinize all religions publicly.

[@theonlyway5298]

.....including atheism, humanism and secularism.

[@Mark13091961]

@@theonlyway5298 perhaps look up the meaning of those and you'll realise how they dont fall into the category of being a religion

[@shafiqrehman8128]

@@Mark13091961 so convenient

[@theonlyway5298]

@@Mark13091961 You are right, but then again I didn't say they are a religion. I simply point out that as ideologies they are also to be questioned, critiqued and deconstructed with the same methodology that is currently being used towards religions and religious books. Unless that is done, then no change of human behaviour has been accomplished. All that will have happened is a repetition of previous human social and religious behaviour, transitioning from one ideology to another!

[@Mark13091961]

@@theonlyway5298I agree in principle with you, but taking atheism as an example, it’s not an ideology. Most atheists make no positive claim so have nothing to defend. I don’t believe in any god just the same as I don’t believe in the Flying Spaghetti Monster. The evidence for both is about the same, but as I can’t prove that something doesn’t exist I make no absolute claim. It’s only that ideology that makes the positive claim that needs to defend it

[@Simon.the.Likeable]

@ 12:40 - "...Jewish exposition of some of these stories." Salman al Farsi = Solomon the Pharisee. (Yes, I know the Pharisees in Jerusalem were long gone by that stage but traditions remained far removed from Byzantine influence.) There were many more Jews who advised Muhammad than appear in the biographies and hadiths. The purpose of Islam was to turn the pagans into end-times Noachides rather than into trinitarian Christians or, even worse, Jewish converts. So many inconsistencies can be easily explained by understanding this concept.

[@abdar-rahman6965]

All stories of Hadiths are Concocted tales. Prophet Mohammad and his companions left behind Only written Quran; nothing else

[@hamobu]

Bart Erman could probably make the phone book sound interesting.

[@kaloarepo288]

He actually uses the phonebook analogy in responding to the claim that the Koran is true because it has no mistakes in it -"the phonebook has no mistakes in it too -so what!"

[@progressiveoverload3915]

Once he compared the Quran’s claim of having no textual variants to mein Kampf which was really good 😂

[@thenun1846]

As an ex Muslim, I find the topic fascinating. Whilst the bible has problems, the Quran is dependant on it. It plagiarized it's stories and even worse, claims that it CONFIRMS it. They are absolutely right in that the Qur'an is far from clear

[@joygibbons5482]

Good points. The Quran also seems to be repeating ideas from gnostic later writings e.g The Gospel of Basilidies where Jesus in substituted on the cross because he’s a divine/cosmic figure who cannot die, which directly contradicts the view that Jesus is purely a human prophet. It reads like a mash-up of ideas circulating at the time.

[@TheNutteloos]

Thanks a lot, i pre-ordered the lecture, hoping to see the live lecture, gonna be great

[@JayJayYUP]

This is going to be really interesting because typical critical analysis of the Qur'an has only recently started in the past few years. There's a long history of scholarship but it starts with accepting the traditional origin stories, thus disqualified from being a similar standard to modern Biblical scholarship (thus they're something like 50-70 year delay between the type of analysis that Qur'an has been subjected to). Historicity is an extreme sore point for many fundamentalist scholars, and is why you rarely see any worthwhile debate on the topic, on top of Western scholars simply being nowhere near acquainted with the Qur'an as they might be with the Bible.

[@kellydalstok8900]

Islam is at least three centuries behind christianity, as it hasn’t had its Age of Enlightenment yet. It’s basically the Middle Ages with smartphones.

[@abdar-rahman6965]

Quran is verbatim word of God, this is why, one Jewish Professor of Comparative Religion in Hawaii State of USA converted to Islam after reading Quran. No error no contradiction in Quran. I have been reading Quran for decades. *A person who claims that he has found any error or contradiction in Quran, has either not understood WHOLE Quran or he is a liar. It is must to understand whole Quran because over 6000 verses of Quran are interconnected like brain neurons, and in that way: verses explain each other in multifaceted forms*

[@theonlyway5298]

Bart is not interested in critiquing or analysing Islam in public because firstly he isn't a ,backslidden Muslim or someone brought up in Islam,......and secondly, to publicly apply the same critical methods towards Islam and the Quran, would cost him dearly in every way, including his public reputation! ...so to summarise: - Ehrman is not motivated to critically analyse any other religion except the faith of the New Testament - ie Christianity, because in critically analysing it, and producing his theories about it, he is seeking to justify his own departure from it. Whereas, he has no such motive for any other religious text or religion as he is not trying to justify his position in regards to any other religious scripture. - Ehrman knows perfectly well and is extremely careful to avoid any criticism of Islam and the Quran. He totally avoids the subject like the plague! Even if he is asked, he very carefully and diplomatically skirts around it with the art of a politician and never honestly answers any questions about his academic views on the Quran or Islam. If pressed, he will say that it isn't his subject or area of knowledge...while this may be true, it is obvious that with his analytical deconstructionist approach, that in applying this to the Quran, he could not possibly accept it as written and presented! It would not take very much consideration from him to show that the Quran is a historical fabrication derived from previous religious texts that have been modified to form a new narrative by the author....but out fear, Ehrman avoids this subject because he knows that he would become a pariah in the minds of every Muslim and the masses of left leaning society who currently applaud him!

[@abdar-rahman6965]

@@theonlyway5298 You were not in need of posting your long nonsensical tale. It is simple: Bart is not Scholar of Quran. So he does not know how to talk about Quran. FULL STOP.

[@taufiqatiq6563]

Better not comment on something that is beyond your wisdom.

[@1ApeinSpace]

Two of my favorite people. Thank you.

[@Where_is_Waldo]

I love this idea!

[@rickc2102]

nice to be able to learn new things

[@easybandzofficial6456]

Bart's answer to all the questions about islam is Christianity/the bible. 😂

[@averagebodybuilder]

Because he stated he does not know enough about Islam

[@abdar-rahman6965]

Because he is not a Scholar of Islam or Quran

[@dyslexictroll8708]

This discussion reminded me of the way I used to dungeon master in which I would create a skeleton of an adventure and then with the help of the players we would make it up we went along.

[@kdemetter]

Now I'm trying to imagine what it would look like if people believed in D&D like a religion, and that the DM is god lol

[@aukemebel4263]

@@kdemetter Going from my experience as a DM, it would go kinda like in the bible. The characters in your story always make wrong decisions, plans you made are thrown out of the window, a lot of people blaspheme you as they think their bad decisions are yours. But the thing is: I acknowledge I am a fallible human being, an actual god wouldn't make those mistakes.

[@knkn5049]

If another scholar is muslim, it is waste of time, if it is planned to be published on KZbin, i will wait for reaction of famous polemics, i do not want to fact check his every word about book. I know how it would look like: "very interesting topic, indeed bible is corrupted, but on another hand we do not have such issues in a quran due to names in chains of transition..." They just want some bright boy to admit problems of bible and to show that quran superior. Bart Erman's interview about jesus is one of the most popular videos in muslim propaganda.

[@abdar-rahman6965]

well said

[@gotsm9959]

My dog is a god.

[@JacksonPhixesPhones]

Underrated comment.

[@joman388]

Quite a backwards God ,wouldn't you say,thus no God at all. thanks

[@gotsm9959]

@joman388 Well it said God right on the collar when I adopted him.

[@joman388]

@@gotsm9959 You need to quit reading your dogs collar through the mirror or the collar is backwards.Either way your dog is a creation of God not God,as that would be a huge insult to the real God. thanks

[@adilsheikh7917]

Atheist have now become linguistic experts in a language and text they are both unaware of… Aron Ra has been destroyed by many Muslim scholars .. with all due respect Bart stick to the lane your from. When you have Muslims scholars with you suddenly you are unaware of the Quran. Today you’re the presumption king.

[@AronRa]

How could I have been "destroyed" if I'm not even aware of it and am still going strong? I remember a number of Muslims who should be embarrassed at their discussions with me, but they are shameless. If you think any Muslim "scholar" had any actual factual evidence or logically valid arguments, then give me one example, something they were actually right about. I'm betting you can't.

[@adilsheikh7917]

@@AronRa your such an expert in the Quran … but never heard of the Birmingham manuscript!!!! That just destroyed your whole bogus argument..

[@AronRa]

@@adilsheikh7917 1. I have heard of it. 2. It’s irrelevant. 3. I never said I was an expert. 4. My challenge to you was to show how some alleged Muslim scholar ever “destroyed” me. You can’t do it because that would mean showing a significant point where they were right and I was wrong. That never happened.

[@adilsheikh7917]

@@AronRa you barely know what you discussing let alone anything relevant as your argument attic is to ignore the opposition and just make straw man discussions. Your video with Mohammed hijab and br shoub is pretty clear how weak your arguments are and the points are clear for anyone to see. The Birmingham manuscript shows that your arguments are weak in this video too. To say that the concept of Jesus in the Quran was taken from small specific group of Christian’s and not the main body of Christianity shows your poor and intellectual deception.

[@AronRa]

@@adilsheikh7917 So all you can do is allude to your opinion, but you really can't present any actual argument or fact that any of them got right and I got wrong. Because that never happened.

[@AbdulHannanAbdulMatheen]

👏🙂 Great video

[@mhamedkhattabi5863]

Bart said if you are not christian and you dont believe in jesus resurrection it make sense to claim that he never got crucified . The problem is neither koran nor prophet Muhamed said anything about resurrection of jesus

[@j.mtherandomguy8701]

I seriously doubt Dr Hashimi will actually be honest about the Quran, given that he is still ultimately a Muslim who believes in the divine origins of that book. This combined lecture may very well be a Dawah session in disguise, where Dr Hashimi will praise the Quran without end and take advantage of Dr Ehrman’s critical position on the Bible to gain converts to his sect of Islam.

[@Tar-Elenion]

Javad Hashmi is a less than honest person. He used to write under the pseudonym 'Danios' for the smear site 'LoonWatch'.

[@trixiepup3079]

THIS!!!!🔝you are 100% spot on. I watched some videos of Mr. Hashimi, he is a very dishonest interlocutor. that is his objective.

[@j.mtherandomguy8701]

@@trixiepup3079 It is unfortunate but that is what they do. Never trust a Muslim when it comes to core theological claims regarding the Quran.

[@trixiepup3079]

@@j.mtherandomguy8701 You are absolutely right!

[@abdar-rahman6965]

Right. It depends, what kind of Scholar is he. True honest or Pseudo Scholar

[@ridhuan2335]

I like dr bart but i dont think he have ever compared a 1990 phone book to the latest that still exist. Thats why he said "Even phonebook have no contradiction"

[@sulk7080]

The stories about Jesus that come from non-Canonical gospels really interest me! Especially if we see them in a source like Islam! 7:36

[@abdar-rahman6965]

Quran tells: Jesus was on Cross but was not Crucified=Not Died on Cross 4:157. He lived over 100 years 5:110 and died naturally and dead never come back. Independent historical Research also fully supports claim of Quran

[@joerdim]

"Source". Lol.

[@joerdim]

@@abdar-rahman6965 What historical research is that?

[@joygibbons5482]

@@abdar-rahman6965 The Quran is channeling docetism there and again drawing on a late Gnostic Gospel where Jesus only “appears” to be crucified because some other person is made to look like him. The reason that late gospel suggests this is because they thought Jesus was entirely divine, and in no way human. They despised material existence so Jesus as a purely spiritual being couldn’t die. The Quran repeats the claim you’ve described because it doesn’t understand the implications. The historical research into the development of these ideas can demonstrate the link and it makes perfect sense. It also contradicts the rest of the Quran.

[@Reewnat]

Also one easy clarification that I failed to mention is that there are about 50,000 hadith but with all of the transmissions (since these were multiply transmitted in many cases), there are several hundred thousand hadith. My sincere advice is to invite someone who is a traditional scholar of Islam (or whatever religion is the topic) to avoid the guesswork and conjecture, and this will allow you to ask the hard questions and have that substantive discussion whether you both end up agreeing or not.

[@NordinPumbaya]

Makes you wonder why ask Bible experts on issues about the Quran? Honestly.

[@amazingislam6997]

The first time you read the Bible, you get clarity. But the more you read the Bible, you find many contradictions/errors and you'll be confused. but.. The first time you read the Quran, you'll be a little confused because it differs with your previous faith that was taught by the priests. But the more you read the Quran, it gives you clarity, all things in it make sense. And you'll understand why in the very beginning Quran says "This is the Book, there is no doubt in it".

[@AronRa]

Not at all. Who are you trying to kid?

[@amazingislam6997]

@@AronRa I'm talking globally in the context of possibilities, not literally. Even in case of a cellphone instruction book, not everyone undestrand it.

[@muzafferkara8947]

​@@AronRa Don't worry you are kidding yourself. Paganism is christianity. 😂

[@yusufshaibu418]

The problem with these people is that they don't believe in God and therefore don't think that God can reveal knowledge of the past to the latter Prophets. They believe the last scripture must necessarily come from oral traditions of the former scripture.

[@petepottieski6673]

You have no evidence of God. You can't believe in something without evidence. Try to look up the word delusional.... Yep that's you...

[@faridaali8758]

One word in the AlQuran 'dukhan' has been translated as 'smoke' by the 8th century translators.Actually people around the time have no idea what the word means.It is a foreignword they never use it on 6th century.Now we know the meaning of the word.It is some kind of mist a liquid(dukhan)

[@fouedfoued5692]

Definitely the Quran is not the bible since every word has more than one meaning but still they all flows in the same direction...this is without mentioning the hidden codes in the letters each one with its numerical value..etc..it is an amazing book ..

[@mekangochiyev6943]

This guy is just one of those who got disappointed by Christianity and denies everything…he has got to study a lot to talk abt Quran or Islam…he seems to have obtained his knowledge from wrong sources.

[@metalhead0274]

That was just too short... I was really hoping to hear more and get more in depth into these areas. Hopefully you will have Bart on again to discuss these things

[@theonlyway5298]

No - I doubt it very much! Bart is not interested in critiquing or analysing Islam in public because firstly he isn't a ,backslidden Muslim or someone brought up in Islam,......and secondly, to publicly apply the same critical methods towards Islam and the Quran, would cost him dearly in every way, including his public reputation! ...so to summarise: *- Ehrman is not motivated to critically analyse any other religion except the faith of the New Testament* - ie Christianity, because in critically analysing it, and producing his theories about it, he is seeking to justify his own departure from it. Whereas, he has no such motive for any other religious text or religion as he is not trying to justify his position in regards to any other religious scripture. *- Ehrman knows perfectly well and is extremely careful to avoid any criticism of Islam and the Quran.* He totally avoids the subject like the plague! Even if he is asked, he very carefully and diplomatically skirts around it with the art of a politician and never honestly answers any questions about his academic views on the Quran or Islam. If pressed, he will say that it isn't his subject or area of knowledge...while this may be true, it is obvious that with his analytical deconstructionist approach, that in applying this to the Quran, he could not possibly accept it as written and presented! It would not take very much consideration from him to show that the Quran is a historical fabrication derived from previous religious texts that have been modified to form a new narrative by the author....but out fear, Ehrman avoids this subject because he knows that he would become a pariah in the minds of every Muslim and the masses of left leaning society who currently applaud him!

[@LogicStandsBeforeGod]

Quran has got built-in checksum, one cannot add or remove words in the Quran. In the Quran God speaks in first-person narrative, whereas in the NT men were speaking, so men's words vs God's words comparison, whose words will you trust ?

[@busterbiloxi3833]

The Koran is nonsense.

[@LogicStandsBeforeGod]

@@busterbiloxi3833 Ur head is nonsense.

[@aemiliadelroba4022]

I think we should apply the same “ analytical , textual analysis “ of Quran as well . Why not ! Contradictions , altered words, wrong prophecy , … Quran is based on Torah and Gospels ( as it claims ) yet it diverges away in several main issues , like resurrection of Jesus , Moses story, Jesus stories , Abraham life , … We need to b critical and ask questions to discover the truth .

[@atl.4044]

"Quran is based on Torah and Gospels ( as it claims )". No it does not.

[@BornToBeGoated]

Quran is not based on anything, it is the word of God and has nothing of basis on previous texts.

[@Gxlto]

@@atl.4044 Quran 3:3 _"He has revealed to you ˹O Prophet˺ the Book in truth, confirming what came before it, as He revealed the Torah and the Gospel"_

[@Gxlto]

@@BornToBeGoated Quran 3:3 _"He has revealed to you ˹O Prophet˺ the Book in truth, confirming what came before it, as He revealed the Torah and the Gospel"_

[@cemreomerayna463]

​@@GxltoRead the surah you shared again. It does not say that quran is based on torah/gospels, it says that it reveals the same thing that as was done with these books. In islam, quran and the other three books are its own thing; not sequels of each other. They are supposed to carry the same message, but not be a continuation of the previous one. Whether islam's claims about quran and other books in the bible coincide with the reality or not is another discussion.

[@alibilal554]

No one is allowed add anything to Hadith most have a full chain you guys are making up stuff

[@NordinPumbaya]

He said he studied Islam for three years and still doesn't understand hadith... you don't need a scholar for that.

[@Napoleonic_S]

the difference that relevant in today world is that the bible doesn't say "this is the unchanged literal word for word god's word" while the quran explicitly said that, that's why islam is much more violent and resistant to change.

[@johnburn8031]

No, it literal says the opposite in the Bible: Matthew 24:35 ESV Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will not pass away. Psalm 119:89 ESV Forever, O Lord, your word is firmly fixed in the heavens. Isaiah 40:8 ESV The grass withers, the flower fades, but the word of our God will stand forever Psalm 19:7-9 ESV The law of the LORD is perfect, reviving the soul; the testimony of the LORD is sure, making wise the simple; the precepts of the LORD are right, rejoicing the heart; the commandment of the LORD is pure, enlightening the eyes; the fear of the LORD is clean, enduring forever; the rules of the LORD are true, and righteous altogether

[@Napoleonic_S]

@@johnburn8031 That's Judaism and even then the wording is so different and then how the books compiled and canonized also very different Christianity almost did away with Judaism had Marcion won the popularity contest.

[@johnburn8031]

@@Napoleonic_S but Marcion lost and: Matthew 24:35 (NIV): "Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will never pass away." James 1:17 (NIV): "Every good and perfect gift is from above, coming down from the Father of the heavenly lights, who does not change like shifting shadows." Hebrews 13:8 (NIV): "Jesus Christ is the same yesterday and today and forever."

[@joygibbons5482]

@@johnburn8031 Technically Marcion lost, but many Christians pretty much view the Hebrew Scriptures as he did and quietly drop the unappealing bits or reinterpret them fully through the NT, so they slip Marcionism in through the back door while publicly rejecting it.

[@johnburn8031]

@@joygibbons5482 that maybe true, and for the sake of discussion, I'll provisionally accept it as true. However, that doesn't invalidate my objections to the original poster's point. I also cited the New Testament.

[@AJL-dv3bi]

An honest Muslim scholar? You have a better chances of seeing Yeti!

[@Mr.PhatsVarietyVibesShow]

good & interesting Topic

[@lt4376]

8:54 not that it is true but I found a “scholar” Sam Shamounian who debates Muslims and shows them that their Quran does indicate Christ was crucified (and died) and that Muslims are confused about their own Quran

[@joefilter2923]

Don’t follow that guy he’ll lead you away from the water and you’ll die of thirst in a desert of the real.

[@Jennz777]

Nope. Keep trying

[@lt4376]

@@Jennz777 you’re saying nope the Quran doesn’t indicate Christ was crucified? Maybe - it was an interpretation

[@Jennz777]

@@lt4376 Yes Quran does not say that

[@lt4376]

@@Jennz777 IDK I have to recheck

[@krisc3371]

Islamic tradition holds that the verses of the Quran where revealed to Muhammad over a period of 23 years, from the same God who apparently created the heavens and the earth and all between them in just 6 days. A good question from an objective and critical perspective rather is; is there even a relationship between the Quran from today and the (historical) Muhammad, keeping in mind that Muhammad is surprisingly also only mentioned 4 times by name in the Quran, the least amount of all the prophets, which might explain why some muslims are eager to search for any mentioning of Muhammad in other scriptures, even outside Islam.

[@jcs184]

Your last part is not the reason at all. Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) was mentioned less because he’s not the main focus of Quran, he’s the messenger. The danger of mentioning too much had the danger of turning him into god by followers like Jesus. Other prophets were mentioned because their stories were relevant to teach Muslims not to make the mistake previous people did. Now finally, the reason Muslims search him in other scriptures is the same reason why Christians search Jesus in the old testament to prove that he’s the Messiah. Just looking for an extra validation, which I find silly. Islam has a very strong ground and it doesn’t need validation like that. But people will always search for it. It’s the human nature.

[@BenM61]

Muhammad is mentioned only four times. What a dumb comment. 112:1 Say: He is God, the One and Only 112:2 God, the Eternal, Absolute 112:3 He begets not, nor is He begotten 112:4 And there is none like unto Him. The command to ‘say’ is addressed to the prophet Muhammad. Do you see his name there? No. How about this one: 66:1 O Prophet! Why do you prohibit ˹yourself˺ from what Allah has made lawful to you, seeking to please your wives? And Allah is All-Forgiving, Most Merciful. Do you see the name Muhammad? Yet it is addressed to him. How about this one: 13:40 Whether We show you part of what We have promised them or cause you to pass away [before that], your mission is only to give warning; it is for Us to do the reckoning. Do you see Muhammad there? Yet the text is addressed to him. Most of the Quran is like that. Unbelievable you people are.

[@johnbrzykcy3076]

​@@jcs184I appreciate your comments about Muhammad. Especially when you said that Muhammad is "not the main focus of the Quran". That's interesting and thought-provoking for me. I'm a Christian believer and I do see where Jesus is indeed the "main focus" of the New Testament. But Jesus was also a "Messenger" who came to teach the truth about God the Father. No disrespect intended. I'm trying to understand Islam better. So I appreciate your helpful comments. Respectfully from Florida USA

[@DisenchantedWithSociety]

@@johnbrzykcy3076 I recommend you understanding the mindset of how Muslims view life as a test (look at Gazans as prime examples) as opposed to punishment for original sin or some new age "prosperity for piousness" . That's probably the biggest difference than linguistic analysis. We focus on individual sin and judgement where no one can intercede on our behalf. I suggest Jeffrey Lang's Purpose of Life video as well as anything by Omar Suleiman. His recent Why Me Ramadan Series is a amazing starting point, 10 minute videos series with great explanation and production quality. These are not "religious dogma" but very good, understandable explanations as well as universal life advice that anyone can take something from. Personally, I don't believe on all these "trying to debunk the other guy". It can just create sin through resentment from the heart and contempt for others. Regardless what religion you are, that's definitely a big no no.

[@abdar-rahman6965]

All Traditions (Hadiths) are fabricated stock. Mohammad and his Companions left behind only written Quran; nothing else. Length of normal day and God's day is different and it is mentioned in Quran also

[@Gxlto]

This is very odd. I wonder if bart knows about the punctuation marks missing from manuscripts and being added years later according to recitation. I wonder if he knows about the hypothesis regarding words in the quran originating from aramaic and being mistranslated. I wonder if he knows about the lost verses and abrogation. If, indeed, the quranic scholar refers to these (potential) problems, then this will surely be a sign of objectivity and knowledge, in my humble opinion.

[@abdar-rahman6965]

Most of Top Islamic Professors/Scholars of today are agreed that Quran never abrogates its own verses but abrogates some outdated laws of previous scriptures. False Doctrine of Abrogation was invented by Oldi Sunni Imams in order to validate their millions of forged hadiths which they concocted 250 years after the death of Prophet Mohammad

[@yaqubmukwambo5327]

While i appreciate your views on the bible and knowledge on it, im afraid you two say you have read the Quran yet you ask fundamental questions on basis of issues that have already been addressed in the Quran. Questions like - who is the author of Quran - this is addressed in the Quran if you have read it Second the fact that Jesus didnt die - this is addressed in the Quran. You have obviously not read the Quran. Go read it again

[@petepottieski6673]

Neither have you apparently. If you did and are still Muslim then you just can't be helped. Look up the word delusion. Yes Mo that you. Go take your meds.

[@shaidurshanu]

Jawad is not a scholar. He only may have read about Islam. But he has no authorities over islam, as he is not a Scholar. What a shame

[@user55lovesfr95]

When talking about Christianity, Bart is so excited and bold to mock Christianity, but when it comes to Islam, he sounds like a little boy learning to argue. He knows exactly that the two books are so different - not to mention the hadiths, but he is not brave enough as a scholar to state that. A pity.

[@abdar-rahman6965]

Use your commonsense. Bart have never read and understood Quran. So he has no right to comment on Quran. It is so simple

[@user55lovesfr95]

@@abdar-rahman6965 Even a lay person like me can understand something about the muslim book(s). Since he is a famous scholar studying a lot about religion, he has to have enough knowledge about the muslim book(s) - let alone he is a worldwide known scholar. Not just him, there is a number of scholars who behave in a similar way. Mocking Christianity to make a living is what they are brave to do. A shame.

[@theonlyway5298]

@@abdar-rahman6965 that is not 'commonsense' or even any sense! Anyone can comment about any book.

[@abdar-rahman6965]

@@theonlyway5298 You are rationally incorrect. Before commenting on any Book XYZ, I must read and understand that whole Book very well and then I should comment positively or negatively with proof. Again I say: Your argument is childish. You must seek any mental doctor

[@theonlyway5298]

@@abdar-rahman6965 On the contrary, it is correct by the standards of Islam. Let me give you the example of your Quran: The author who did NOT understand the Christian faith, or the Bible which prescribes and describes it, made significant errors in its writing. Yet he still commented and voiced his opinion! He said that the 'trinity' consisted of Jesus, God and Mary!...a ludicrous mistake, showing that he was not 'well read'. By your judgement then, the author of the Quran is mentally ill and childish, because of the mistakes he made!

[@Naveed_Ali_Apollo]

Aron listening to you from Pakistan, I cannot thank you enough for talking about Islam. Things are not good down here.

[@johnbrzykcy3076]

"It's not clear to me". I appreciate the honesty because I'm trying to understand some of the verses in the Quran. So far I'm confused. I'm a simple Christian believer. And I do respect Muslims. Respectfully from Florida USA.

[@abdar-rahman6965]

When some one does not Understand whole Quran; he has no right to comment on Quran

[@zak992]

we too have immense respect for our christain friends, we have more that unites us than divides us, for we are both trying to please our Creator God/Allah most High but in different ways, as to your comment if you look at quranic verses in isolation they may be unclear/confusing, as a born muslim I have the advantage of knowing the context of the more " controversial " verses as well as having a holistic view of what the quran is trying to achieve, you and people like Aaron will not have this and so will have to rely more on other peoples interpretations, in my experience whenever people get involved in God`s word one has to be very careful it can take you in a direction not intended

[@andrewbryce2707]

Totally opposite to me. The Quran answered all the doubts I had about Christianity when growing up. I always questioned the trinity doctrine and could never get clear answers from Christians to why it makes no sense. Reading the Qur'an made it so clear to me and completely logical regarding Jesus just being a prophet of god. By the way before I read the Qur'an I knew nothing about islamic doctrine. Reading the Qur'an felt like these are the words of the creator. I never once got that feeling when I ever read the bible.

[@DrazenPerkovic-p8j]

​@@andrewbryce2707If they are the words from the creator why are there holes in the narrative according to Yasir Qadhi?

[@andrewbryce2707]

@@DrazenPerkovic-p8j do you think Yasir Qadhi is the only scholar in Islam. Scholars refuted his claims with ease. Maybe hard to believe but Yasir is not the sole authority of islamic texts.

[@ravindraju1]

Bart is very careful not to talk too much about Quran. He is very confortable when commenting Bible. Maybe he thinking that when he rejects Bible & Jesus then automatically Judaism & Islam collapses.

[@polesouth-ey5qq]

He also does not want his head cut off

[@abdar-rahman6965]

In fact, years ago he talked about Quran in bad words, and then I wrote him a open letter: Mr. Ehrman: being a professional; do not comment on any Book which you have neither read nor understood. So he has become now a Wise

[@danielconroy6695]

​@abdar-rahman6965 your capacity to know what another person has read and understood is incredible. Can you do this for all people discussing all subjects or is it only when people point out nonsense in your interpretarion of your preferred religious text? Also, why would a god need you to defend his work rather than just making something that could easily be understood by all?

[@abdar-rahman6965]

@@danielconroy6695 Your cacophonical rant does not not carry any rational content. You have talked in vain

[@danielconroy6695]

@abdar-rahman6965 cacophonical relates to sound so unless you had you carer read it out for you, it is your comment that makes no sense. Please learn how to find definitions before embarrasing yourself further by trying (and failing) to look clever 🤣

[@mahmoudsbeih8614]

The only name for women in the Holy Qur’an is Mary. In the Qur’an, there is a unit named Mary. What did Muhammad benefit from these texts?

[@عبدالله-ن6ه2ص]

What many atheists around the world do not know is that the Qur’an continues to challenge all of humanity and the jinn to write a verse as eloquent as the Qur’an, and the challenge continues until the Day of Resurrection. The Qur’an is 604 pages. As for the challenge, it is in a verse, and the verse may be only 3 lines. So who will challenge? The Qur’an challenges and continues to challenge, and it contains a lot of proof of the existence of the Creator and the prophecies of the Prophet Muhammad pbuh, so it is foolish to ignore all of that from Dr. Bart Ehrman or any professor and not return to square one. Do you challenge the Qur’an or are you still helpless like other billions of people? Many atheists are atheists because they find a lot of frustration in their inability to adhere to Christianity because its root is worn out in the inability to prove its validity. Therefore, they believe that Islam is like Christianity.

[@DrazenPerkovic-p8j]

Surah corona already destroyed that. Sadly the woman who wrote surah corona was imprisoned for making a surah like in the Quran. If anyone in the arab world tried to make a surah like the Quran they will face consequences.

[@joygibbons5482]

You believe in Jinn? Well there’s your problem right there

[@24OakRaiders]

Interesting… my take on the Quran was the complete opposite. The stories of the prophets were very detailed - Joseph, Moses, Abraham, Jesus… in fact way more detailed than the Bible. Did we not read the same Quran or are you trying to deceive your viewers?

[@AronRa]

Unlike believers, I am not a deceiver. As I said, Joseph was the only detailed story from the Bible. We got some for Moses, but not as much, and the story about Jesus' birth is completely different, not from the Bible at all. We don't hear much more about Jesus either. So the Qur'an is far less detailed than the Bible.

[@24OakRaiders]

@@AronRa Your response clearly proves you are still inexperienced with Islam. No one knows whether they are believers or not, nor does anyone know whether their deeds, prayers, or fasting are accepted by Allah. That judgment is reserved for Allah, who judges everyone based on their environment, opportunities, and willingness. One can call themselves a Muslim or a follower of Islam, but whether they are true believers or not is judged by Allah.

[@AronRa]

@@24OakRaiders My response should show that I read the Qur'an and understood, albeit with help from Arabic speakers familiar with Muslim traditions. Importantly, parts of the Qur'an reveal that God decides who will believe in him and who will not. Then he will punish those who don't even though they had no choice in the matter.

[@24OakRaiders]

@@AronRa Thank you for your time and effort in responding to my messages. As we return to our discussion, it is crucial to acknowledge that everyone possesses free will and that Allah is all-knowing. Individuals who choose to ignore Allah’s signs are judged accordingly. The Quran states, “Had Allah known of any good in them, He would have made them hear. But even if He had made them hear, they would still turn away in aversion.” (Quran 8:23)

[@AronRa]

@@24OakRaiders Sūrah 67 (Al-Mulk) Control "1Exalted is He who holds all control in His hands; who has power over all things; 2who created death and life to test you [people] and reveal which of you does best--He is the Mighty, the Forgiving; 3who created the seven heavens, one above the other. You will not see any flaw in what the Lord of Mercy creates. Look again! Can you see any flaw?" Yes. According to these scriptures, every seemingly random thing that ever happens in our lives is just God orchestrating events, to test us, as if an omniscient being would need that. More like a child playing with his toys, none of which have free will. We are just playthings. Sūrah 8 (Al-Anfal) Battle Gains "27Believers, do not betray God and the Messenger, or knowingly betray [other people’s] trust in you. 28Be aware that your possessions and your children are only a test, and that there is a tremendous reward with God." The “reward” is not being skinned and burned alive for all eternity. Instead, you’ll be trapped forever in a place of constant surveillance and prohibition, where it is obvious that you are not allowed free will. Sūrah 76 (Al-Insan) Man "29This is a reminder. Let whoever wishes, take the way to his Lord. 30But you will only wish to do so if God wills- God is all knowing, all wise- 31He admits whoever He will into His Mercy and has prepared a painful torment for the disbelievers." Remember that in several of the earlier suras, the Qur’an said that God chooses who will not believe in him, and closes their ears and eyes to his “truth” and all that, just so that he can punish us later. In other places, it points out that we have no free will of our own, that everything we do is because he chose for us to do that. This verse is re-inforcing that concept from the other direction, saying that believers only believe because God makes them believe. So we really are just toys to him, and he chooses who among us will play the villain, the victim or the hero.

[@aemiliadelroba4022]

The Jewish influences in Quran stories are undeniable , Early infancy gospel of Jesus is similar to Jesus in Quran , Obviously Muhammad had lots of influence from these sources , and more added extra folklore . So .. I think Quran is a work of a man or group of men and not divine source . 😊

[@jcs184]

If the stories in Jewish scriptures are true, do you want them to be different in Quran? If there’s just one God, why the stories of His books should be different?

[@BornToBeGoated]

@@jcs184stop responding to these morons. The Quran is astoundingly unique and does not copy from any of the corrupted books that are filled with errors.

[@aemiliadelroba4022]

@@jcs184 They are man made stories from men who invented their own tribal Gods .

[@abdar-rahman6965]

You are telling lies and only lies. You neither know Quran nor Comparative Religion. You have no any even basic idea on this subject, so better to shut

[@hoopoe3093]

If you think Muhammad forged the Quran, produce a chapter like it, 10 chapters or the whole book. It's a challenge Allah made since 1400 years ago, yet none is able to do it until now❗😮

[@aiya5777]

to understand something that other people understand you have to come out of your mind, jump and swim into the same wavelength as those people

[@ravindraju1]

AronRa got more guts to comment about Quran. Bart is quick to run to Bible to make his comments.

[@MossyMozart]

@ravindraju1 - One goes with their strengths.

[@abdar-rahman6965]

Because Bart is not a Scholar of Quran nor has he ever read whole Quran, so he was supposed not to comment on Quran, and that what he has done

[@DrazenPerkovic-p8j]

​@@abdar-rahman6965Bart is timid about commenting on Islam for a good reason, Islamic terrorists are quick to kiII people who are against Islam.

[@drewharrison6433]

Totally off the subject and I'm sorry for that but Ive noticed that so many people over 60 are wearing circular horn rim glasses. What is this about? Are they trying to look like Harry Potter? Maybe it's just selection bias on my part. Anyone else notice this?

[@davidmcnaughty4889]

Put the pipe down.

[@korymangum3836]

It’s all projection and signaling. Noticeable glasses highlight the visual/“optics” of life. He’s signaling that that is important to him. The roundness signals symmetry in all directions with their thinking. Ask yourself, where exactly are you seeing a lot of over 60 people doing this? Is it done by people that are into image and balanced thinking? All of this can be mapped on a toroidal Cartesian coordinate system which would tell you more. Including if part of the reason is to hide their eyes.

[@johnburn8031]

You've put the cart before the horse. It's from Boomer style that Harry Potter's style of glasses come from. It's to indicate that the Wizarding world is stuck in the past. There are other possible reasons. Thar style of glasses were in fashion in the 90s when the books were written. The films used the imagery from the book covers.

[@stevenbyers8747]

It seems like AronRa knows more about Islam than Bart.

[@Contagious93812]

bart doesn't want to talk about islam, he said "i'll start criticizing the quran when i stop valuing my life"

[@averagebodybuilder]

@@Contagious93812 reference?

[@MossyMozart]

@@Contagious93812 - When and where did he say that?

[@abdar-rahman6965]

@@Contagious93812 Me, you, or Bart has no right to comment on a Book which we have neither read fully nor understood Fully. Bart knows nothing about Quran

[@averagebodybuilder]

@@Contagious93812 hey DOG... can you answer the question?

[@Seadalgo]

Docetists would probably qualify as believing in an immortal Jesus. There are YEC that believe a child disciple of Jesus is still alive and won't pass until the day of the second coming

[@johnburn8031]

That's not just a YEC belief, it was a common belief amongst Medieval Catholic Christians.

[@ahassen1236]

It's absolutely no doubt to me that if the Quran was written by man, not only would there be errors, no memorisations right down to a single letter for over 14 centuries, no mass pilgrimages to Mecca, no rigorous devotion to God that we see clearly throughout history! It is very much the word of God and the truth. How you see that is perhaps your own lens in which you choose to see look into or how sincere you wish to be.

[@DrazenPerkovic-p8j]

The Quran was 100% written by men. Uthman's men!

[@DrazenPerkovic-p8j]

Whose words are these in sura al-jinn, 72:2 "It leads to Right Guidance so we believed in it, and we will never associate anyone with our Lord 'in worship'. 'Now, we believe that our Lord-Exalted is His Majesty-has neither taken a mate nor offspring,"

[@0786AHA]

​@@DrazenPerkovic-p8j Utmans men way smarter then entirety of the society until Columbus sailed to the new world?

[@assyriannahrin]

UNBELIEVABLE ‼️ Ancient religions lasted for 1000 of years too ,did it make them right ? I believe NOT

[@0786AHA]

@@assyriannahrin Islam is divine. It came to correct all the miss guided religions for thousands of years. Is Islam wrong? You need to read Quran. 💯☑️☑️☑️

[@0786AHA]

So glad these topics are being discussed. We will get an understanding that the prophet of Islam and the writers of Quran are smarter then Einstein or the knowledge of the Quran is indeed divine. I am going to be following with keen interest. 😂☑️☑️

[@latstar3538]

You want a discussion on the Quran and invite Bart Ehrman? He knows next to nothing regarding that book, and he understands their Neoplatonic theology even less. There are many knowledgeable Quran scholars out there who don't attempt to lie about Islam to protect its shortcomings like many Dawah guys do, they will shoot from the hip and tell you what they really think. Try reaching out to Shady Nasser, or Dan Brubaker for a good honest discussion regarding the Quran. Dr Khalil Andani would be an interesting guest if you're interested in Quranic metaphysics and philosophy (which as I said above is deeply rooted in Neoplatonism). Albeit the Quran is generally heavily influenced by Hellenistic knowledge (some of which is plainly wrong)

[@myxos]

Bunch of baseless claims from someone who knows nothing about the Quran.

[@pohjoisenvanhus]

From what I've seen Muslims say they can't accept that Jesus died because they think God wouldn't have let such a thing happen to a prophet. Qur'an manuscripts don't have all the errors that the NT manuscripts have? Really? That's not what I've seen critical scholars who specialize in the field say so where is Ehrman coming from here? Makes me wonder.

[@I_Fish_In_A_TIE]

There's more in the Quran than NT

[@s.elh.3281]

When Aron is saying about his problem with Qur'an translations and describes how he found different English translations of the Qur'an with differences in them. Well, that's why we Muslims don't even call the translations Qur'an anymore. And whoever wants to understand the Qur'an properly has to at least engage with other scholars, who are knowledgeable in the Quranic Arabic and can explain some of the details and linguistics to him/her. On the other hand, every layman Muslim is aware that Qur'an has to be in its original language and we recite it only in Arabic. And learning Arabic is not rocket science after all. We have many examples of scholars of the past and today who were not Arab but leant and mastered Arabic. It's all a question of importance and preference. People who say it's too much to ask of a person to learn this language don't even blink with an eye if asked to learn e.g. English if aspiring to become computer scientist or learn anatomy terms in Latin if becoming a physician. On the other hand: the massage of islam is very straightforward: there is only one God, he is the Creator, we have to follow His prophets and messangers, be good to our parents, neighbours, to the weak and poor. We have to believe and do good deeds and will be judged on the day of judgement. This you can get even from reading the translation of the Qur'an in whatever language is yours....

[@AbuSaleh001]

AronRa, If you have an inquiry about the religions between Islam and Christianity, please host one Muslim scholar or Imam like Omar Suliman or Shihk Otman bin Farouq those will give what you are looking for rather than Dr. Bart Erhman, he is an atheist. What you will get from him.

[@adamlabnaki9216]

There are many differences within the quranic narrations of biblical stories. Lessons can be derived from the context in which they're told. Look at the verses before and after and contemplate on what is trying to be taught. Also the quran retells the stories in a way that it corrects the mistakes in the bible. Example: the ark of noah..the quran says that the arks final resting place is on Mount Judi.

[@joman388]

How would you know that was a correction,as well as the death of Jesus on the cross is a historical facts that everyone believed at the time of Jesus death.Doesnt sound like the Koran "corrected" that too well? thanks

[@joefilter2923]

It’s childish to expect that a translation be exact. This just reveals the bias. The part about the Hadith even now being added and authoritative is just embarrassing!

[@laurajarrell6187]

Aron, good talk!👍💙💙💙✌🥰

[@mahmoudsbeih8614]

Science does not flatter anyone. Bee chromosome 16 Arrangement of the bee unit in the Holy Qur’an 16 Ant chromosome 27 Arrangement of the ant unit in the Holy Qur’an 27 Spider chromosome 29 Arrangement of the spider unit 29 in the Qur’an. Name isa (Gesus) 25. Name Adam 25 Once

[@petepottieski6673]

Thanks for keeping us away from Islam. Go Mo..... Best comments are the Mo's. Thank you for your display of pure ignorance. Good to see you watching but you should actually listen.

[@saliksayyar9793]

Seems like Hashmi is not a real scholar . These issues were raised for a 100 years by Orientalists and each one of the question has been addressed or new scholarship dismissed it. Translation is by humans and are not the Qur’an. It has to be read in Arabic. The long haired guy needs to learn all the disciplines related to the Qur’an. The Quran was memorized and has unbroken chain of memorization in many families that trace this tradition back to the time of the Prophet Muhammad.

[@joygibbons5482]

Why should a universal god insist that his word can only be understood in one language? Is he incapable of making it clear for everyone? As a non-Arab, why should I have to join an Arabic cult?

[@styapramana]

​@@joygibbons5482 JESUS SPOKE ARAMAIC,,,, WHY CHRISTIAN BIBLE SPOKE IN GREEKS,,,, ?!? LOLLL😂😂😂

[@taufiqatiq6563]

He should not mention jawad hashmi as a reference as that man is a complete joke. Hasmi is more inclined in pleasing his white employer just to make a living, his character is a sellout character.

[@GuerrillaSauce]

Another collaboration between Aron-Ra & Dr. Bart Ehrman - 'tis always a good day!

[@paulthomas281]

@8:45 So Javed Hashmi who will be collaborating with Bart Ehrman has a different point of view on what the Qur'an is saying about Christ's crucifixion. The Qur'an does not actually deny it. This is where the Islamic tradition gets the Qur'an wrong, as it does get so many other things wrong about the Qu'ran.

[@johnbrzykcy3076]

From my understanding, most Muslims do deny the crucifixion of Jesus Christ. I think I understand their rejection according to Islamic beliefs. But as a Christian believer, I find the rejection of Christ's crucifixion as confusing. However I do respect Muslims and their discipline. Respectfully

[@abdar-rahman6965]

Vast majority of Sunni and Shia tamper Quranic translation in order to reconcile their forged hadiths with Quran. But Quran is VERY CLEAR about Jesus, which is: Word Shubbiha of Quran 4:157 confirms 100% that Jesus was on Cross, and Essene drugged him on Cross to appear as dead body but he was not dead=not Crucified. According to Definition of Crucifixion, Death on Cross lead to Crucifixion. If person is removed from Cross alive (in Coma), he is NOT CRUCIFIED =Wa Ma Salabuhu 4:157. And Gospel of John and Luke also say same as is said by Quran. Jesus was alive even after the incident of Cross. Several top Bible Scholars have also written that Essene=Hawaari>Quran 3:52 drugged Jesus on Cross through a subtle plan >> Quran 3:54 to save him dying on Cross. And they succeeded. "Enemy of Jesus made a plan and God also made a Plan. God's Plan is the Best" Quran 3:54 Quran also tells that he lived over 100 years Kahlan>>5:110 and died naturally 5:116-117, 3:55, 3:144 and dead never come back

[@brunozeigerts6379]

Had a commenter tell me I had to read the Quran to see 'the beauty of the words.' Read it... still can't see the beauty. Lots of repetition, but no beauty,

[@chromechrome-hb1gx]

Look at your heart, not your brain

[@exceptionallyaverage3075]

​@@chromechrome-hb1gxDon't use the brain? That says a lot about all religious superstitionism.

[@brunozeigerts6379]

@@chromechrome-hb1gx So... don't think? My heart found it to be rather reprehensible and intolerant.

[@BenM61]

There appears to be repetition only to the unlearned. Each time a topic is discussed only to add what is pertinent to the subject or another side of the account. And so there is no repetition. And that’s especially obvious when one knows the intricacy of the Arabic language which you have no knowledge of. Every word and every letter is in its right place. It is more like mathematics and its rules.

[@johnbrzykcy3076]

​@@brunozeigerts6379 I'm trying to learn about Islam but I tend to agree that much of the Quran comes across as very repetitive. I'm a Christian believer and I see "beauty" in many of Jesus' words and parables, especially the parables of The Good Samaritan and The Prodigal Son. I'm not trying to be disrespectful to Muslims. I appreciate the discipline of many Muslims. Respectfully from Florida USA

[@amanpalestina9664]

I think I observe about the Atheist and Agnostic : *THEY WERE HONEST WITH THEIR QUESTION AND ENQUIRY* Of course at times they got overboard in their quest to find the truth. The Agree or NOT is a second matter.

[@backpackmatt]

Forget about religion and start talking about CIRCUMCISION!!! 😢❤😮

[@user-rk5iv5ew2d]

Hadeeth is strictly narrated to the sayings of the prophet Mohammad.. the hadeeth chain of narrators is extremely scrutinized and filtered to sort a strong authenticity of the hadeeth from a weak one.

[@petepottieski6673]

If you read the Quran then you know Mohammed was Satans beeotch. Child grooming, beating your wife, and lying... Yep GOOD book 😂

[@0ptimusbibIe]

This is kinda sad Dr Bart Ehrman isnt an islamic scholars and yet Aronra keeps baiting Dr Bart Ehrman to say something negative. props to Dr Ehrman for staying professional. total click bait.

[@kinanshmahell8065]

no real scholar disagrees on the very human origin of the quran

[@WaqasAli-ct7ly]

​@@kinanshmahell8065thats objectively untrue lol

[@kinanshmahell8065]

@WaqasAli-ct7ly the quran is plagiarized from the Talmud and non Canon new testament 🤣🤣

[@j.mtherandomguy8701]

@@WaqasAli-ct7ly When you rely on blind faith, then it is objectively untrue.

[@wamimuswamimus3496]

Laughing will not prove your point unless you have a concrete evidence to back up your contentions. Otherwise, all what you are saying is just a preconceived collected informations and ideology you got from your peers, culture, environment etc.. an advice for you,, if you want to debunk an Idea you need to know the root of it.. Furthermore, asking questions is easy than answering them

[@Loki_Highlock]

Would love to listen to that seminar. Is it here on KZbin?

[@Scandimania]

Aron I'm currently listening to your lengthy debate with Kent Hovind. Having left fundamentalism (hovinds baptist branch) I am perplexed as to how I could previously appreciate such an immature charlatan. If you have time, would you please recommend some basic book on science and evolution for someone with very little knowledge and education in the subject? Thanks and keep up the good work sir!

[@stephenwedderburn9307]

Hi Aron . As someone who doesn't believe in deities or religion I find it odd that it's not the deity that tries to convince me it's real, it's other humans! And getting these people to get their deity to do the simplest of things that would convince me, they can't, and come up with all sorts of excuses as to why their deity won't do or can't do the convincing. I don't purport to have this wonderful life, but I know one thing, believing in an invisible, powerless being won't make my life better. In fact, less violence, corruption, greed, and bigotry would make my life much better than any deity could!