Dremora, Xivilai, Xivkyn & Skaafin, the Clans of Lesser Daedra | The Elder Scrolls Podcast #25

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[@daniellehetzer7828]

I was worried there wouldn't be a new podcast this weekend because of the holidays. Thanks for all your hard work!

[@jaymac3569]

No kidding!! You guys are the best!! (Don't feel pressured to always post though!)

[@rhett5058]

College of Winterhold doesn’t give holidays off

[@jacksmith4530]

@@rhett5058 of course not! We're not in the bards' college here

[@fatgirl92876]

I feel like the only reason people still play these elder scrolls games is because they get into the lore by watching KZbinrs like you guys thanks for keeping these wonderful games relevant

[@evelynrobinson3573]

Straight up, I borderline hate Skyrim cause Bethesda has been failing in the creative sense since it came out but these guys keep me on the elder Scrolls train way more than any of the games ever have

[@coito5307]

Modders as well

[@thegreatshamalamadingdong9788]

I love skyrim still. Think most of the reason comes from being super careful about what i watch on YT. So each time i go bck to skyrim i find something i havent seen or heard before.

[@coito5307]

@@thegreatshamalamadingdong9788 Have you played Morrowind? Genuine question as Morrowind kind of ruined Skyrim for me, i can't really explain it but after i came back to Skyrim from playing Morrowind it just felt bland, but it's probably just me

[@thegreatshamalamadingdong9788]

@@coito5307 ah bugger , only one i ain't played :/ . Arena, daggerfall, oblivion, skyrim. Stayed away from online as broke a lot of lore :( But no never got to play morrowind :( though i know i really should.

[@keebmack]

This is the highlight of my Sundays. You guys are awesome, thanks for everything you do!

[@miniman475]

I'm glad y'all feel more comfortable with loosely structured podcasts, even when the conversation drops the casual and fun tone makes it feel more authentic, like your speaking with friends. Keep it up!

[@Porple101]

This is going to be my favourite podcast since Im trying to make a skaafin build in vanilla trying to make my character look as close to a skaafin as possible. Was gonna use clavicus viles mask for the skaafin look and then nightingale armor.

[@ciaranmck4469]

I mean ngl but I doubt the ppl of skyrim(or others) are gonna appreciate a daedra looking for quests in their city

[@Porple101]

@@ciaranmck4469 Aha you think I communicate with puny mortals I shall kill them all! Iv already made a Dremora and Xivilai build. Iv also made armies of dremora through summoning them with the atronach forge then killing them using the ritual stone and finally walking to each city to kill everyone its fun but its hard to get them all there, it kinda feels like your a daedric lord and I have maxed out destruction skill on my dremora.

[@azuk4727]

@@Porple101 it’s 3:45 am where aim at and this was a little scarier to read this late but also made my day haha

[@Porple101]

@@azuk4727 aha happy I made your day I mean night.

[@chacepassmore6474]

@@Porple101 Idk if you play with mods, but you can get more summons mod and then get apocalypse magic mod to get a ton of dremora summons and have diversity. Then brink Kynereeve along and obliterate all the holds haha

[@crandleberrysadie]

"... Some random snot nosed magician..." well, we know whose side Drew is on. 😂

[@Wired_User]

Daedrologists suffer the possibility of going nuts and siding with the Daedra xD

[@GenericUsername-qp1ww]

Drew-mora

[@rishikeshnath]

The lore masters are here.

[@txrwauy]

I am an older (50.....) player of Skyrim - came to it because of lockdown over here in the UK and the Spiffing Brit breaking the game in amusing ways. As I played the game I came to appreciate the background lore (I love good world-building). Your videos are very informative and your enthusiasm for the Elder Scrolls universe always shows in your work. I have taken inspiration from you chaps to make several builds now and had a lot of fun with the game. Thanks and have a merry christmas.

[@jyggalagthedaedricprinceof8459]

Great title. It really shows where the lesser daedra belong. Basically, Every single daedra apart from me.

[@cinnabunz1532]

We need a daedrologist build named drew

[@chacepassmore6474]

Please frfr

[@chacepassmore6474]

Tbh...I think I could do it. Dark Elf (Duh) Worship Hermaus Morrah (if that's how you spell it) Specialize in conjuration (because naturally he would know a lil sumsum 'bout that. Also use Speech, sneak, 1-handed, alchemy, and alteration. Wear some kinda gear that let's you have beaks dangling on you amd scrolls with pouches and bandoliers. Focus on attaining knowledge for roleplay. Especially when concerning deadra. In combat you can summon Kynereeve and other dremora, then buff up with alteration and slash away. (I didn't picture the character as much of a fighter and more of an adventurer.) Boom. Build done haha

[@Himmyjewett]

@@chacepassmore6474 Daedric Armor of course all the Daedric quests and gear. Lives in one of the three manners has the trophy room Alchemy room or enchantment room. Vampire maybe because of immortality.

[@chacepassmore6474]

@@Himmyjewett and if you have mods: Get Kynereeve and some Oblivion pocket plane home

[@Himmyjewett]

@@chacepassmore6474 on ps4

[@christophermiller1227]

In eso there is a banekin who is sent to rescue your character from a jail cell who talks quite well. Explaining that his master sent him to get you.

[@JjayNC8L]

Ah yeah the ebonheart pact dark elf mages Academy in Deshaan's questline

[@chuckchuckerson5364]

"Hells Kitchen" LMFAO. I'm at work, and actually burst out laughing at my desk.

[@jesaishall7453]

We appreciate the team's dedication. Merry Christmas and happy Holidays

[@TylerSane5]

Wow the Dremora are my favorite characters in the Elder Scrolls thank you for covering them bro! They don get enough love..

[@chacepassmore6474]

I kinda wish the Aedra and the spirits who fled Nirn after everything was created (forgot their names) had lesser beings that were of their same blood too. Thatd be cool

[@vizari9570]

@@chacepassmore6474 The closest thing we have are some half aedra like morihaus

[@rick7424]

This is why Battlesire was such an interesting game lore-wise

[@wanderingdoc5229]

Damn two videos put out in one day you boys are on top of it even with the holidays

[@andrusman100]

Been on the lookout all morning, you guys make graveyards entertaining. Love all of you!

[@Etticos.]

Are you a bored necromancer?!

[@Wired_User]

“Doctor Dre + wood” Wouldn’t that be the Chronic? XD As for Molag Bal translation, I thought it meant “fire stone” in Dunmeris. It might too, though. It would not be surprised is Dunmeris was so related to Daedric that they have similar meanings.

[@Lcgx]

Always a magnificent morning when I can wake up to a FudgeMuppet TES Podcast

[@johncasler7848]

you gotta keep it lore friendly it would be "oblivion's kitchen" not "hell's kitchen" lol just had to pull your leg with that one keep up the good work and happy holidays

[@TeenageMutantZuckerTurtle]

Ah, Xivilai... a lesson that many a naive child learned when playing Oblivion on PC back in the day. Naively used the cheat console to raise the player level without thinking to raise all the attributes. Suddenly new enemies are spawning, and a ten foot tall grey Daedra hops out of the nearby portal, smacks you to the ground in one hit from his mace, and then proceeds to kill you with melee and magic in the span of a few seconds. Reload a save but foolishly don’t set the player level back, transform your warrior character into a stealth character by snarking around all the enemies, shit your pants every time a Xivilai shows up. Oblivion on PC was fun as a kid.

[@dis90rich73]

Thx you guys. Ain't nothing like driving around on a Sunday listening to your podcast.😋

[@ryanrizzo4869]

I can't help but smile everytime you guys begin your podcasts! Great stuff, guys! Keep up the amazing content!

[@bobakett5613]

Learned a ton this episode. Thank you for all your hard work!

[@c_d0g392]

Love you guys! just wanted to say I enjoy listening to this stuff and thank you

[@mmyr8ado.360]

Makes sense Hermaeus Mora was named the Woodland Man: those materials for those books within Apocrypha might as well came from forests, not including parchment and hide.

[@adamthompson6669]

Have a shot every time Scotty says “yeah” 😜 😈 Lol maybe not 🙃 🥴 😵 🥴 👌

[@jakubczubinski3536]

Or when Michael says "for Shor"🤔

[@adamfreeman9493]

ESO has a Dremora NPC in Craglorn that acts as a furnishing merchant. And I think there’s also one in Coldhorbor.

[@bronzecobra8556]

The Spider Kith are an intelligent type of humanoid daedra that serve Mephala. They look like dark elves covered in webbed skin and have the ability to summon spiders and spit poison at their enemies.

[@ikistaer]

Gents I hope it been a good holiday for ya. As always it's a pleasure to hear about the inner workings I've missed or just reestablish my own understandings. Here's to a new year!

[@Jadechamberrr]

IM READY TO HAVE A 4-WAY WITH THESE LADS!!!

[@j0nnyb33]

It's been a few years since I read them, but wasn't there a kind of hell's kitchen thing going on in The Infernal City/Lord of Souls? From what I remember didn't each lord have a kitchen run by 'daedra' that would compete to have the best meals, but the kitchens/chefs could invade each other? I thought it was pretty cool. Also, ashamed to say I laughed at "see you next year haw haw haw!" quite a bit.

[@soyboydivision]

ahh yes, a brand new fudgemuppet podcast, perfect to listen to on my commute to work

[@davidleroth8644]

You must have a long commute lol

[@The_butler_did_it1194]

Looking forward to this subject!

[@Just_Another_Gravemind]

Anyone else want to be a daedric landlord in Es6? Or a quest where u have to aid a dremora in gaining land so he can become a Duke lol

[@TealWolf26]

Oblivion yeah, I would!

[@shalimarfox9441]

I hope you had a great Christmas, you trio of wonderful people! Thanks for the podcast. :)

[@Dman68516]

This is exactly what I wanted, I literally was going to comment on this video if it wast about the lesser daedra races. Thank you guys!

[@Spike2276]

Btw people, idk how long this has been the case but you can now get Morrowind on the Xbox One/Series X/S store through the retrocompatibility with the original Xbox So if you have an Xbox and never played Morrowind or if you want to play it again, go nuts

[@ciaranmck4469]

Its littlerly been a thing since backwards comp has been out besides its really shit on console you can tell that this game was a pc game at heart besides you can't mod it etc I wouldn't waste the money when you can get it on pc

[@Spike2276]

@@ciaranmck4469 i'm pretty sure it hasn't been a thing before because i literally searched for it earlier this year and could not find it for the life of me Also, lotta people don't have a PC or are just not interested in gaming on their shitty work laptop

[@ciaranmck4469]

@@Spike2276 well its still not worth it I've seen screenshot etc and it just looks bad and I'd imagine the ui would be a constant annoyance that would ware on you the entire playthrough

[@Spike2276]

@@ciaranmck4469 it looks as bad as unmodded morrowind on PC, the control scheme is fucking absurd but not more so than most games of it's era so if you can stomach playing other older console games then you can probably play Morrowind just fine, UI management is bad but the only really shitty part about it is the spell list with just how long it can get Other than that it's actually not super different from PC, like yeah equipping lockpicks is annoying af but that's annoying on PC too, the only potential deal breaker i see is mods, but i happen to have always enjoyed vanilla Morrowind, except graphics of course, but i can live with bad graphics and horrible draw distance which are things that i would have to deal with anyway on my shitty laptop, because graphics mods would probably fry the damn thing

[@scottnunnemaker5209]

I bet the Dremora and all the things named Mora have something to do with the hist trees. Like the Dremora and the Argonians could be the same. Both could just be vessels. The Dremora are vessels of some Daedric soul, while the Argonians are vessels for the hist.

[@scottnunnemaker5209]

Idk, but Argonians are fucking awesome! Did you know they can breath underwater?!?! Whaaaaaaaaa?!?! That’s insane! I can’t wait for there to be more to do underwater...

[@jackccurbs]

"WHERE'S THE TROLL SAAAAUCE?!?" --Gorton Ramshei, Oblivion's Kitchen

[@7snake7]

Omg omg it’s 6 am and the last time I came this early the lusty argonian maid was disappointed!!! That’s what she said!!!! Hahaha yes! Omg I’m tired.

[@drewwilson8756]

My takeaway: even the most chaotic entities need some order to get things done.

[@sassy8480]

dont stop doing these podcasts. ever

[@travisterry5855]

Love your videos!

[@macole4958]

Nice discussion. My favorite companion is a Daedra Seducer who abandoned her former Prince and pledged her honor to my character. You can’t get a more loyal companion than a Daedra that pledges their honor to you.

[@freakofnature664]

I've always wished Dremora were playable, even though it doesn't make sense

[@TheeCambion]

Mods

[@McNasty7100]

Drew has the best microphone

[@YagrumBagarn69]

I felt the other clans were rather underused in ES Oblivion. The one Xivilai we all remember is literally the one that is a random event that can happen at any lvl so it can either be easy or you're larfin at this big demon fuck trying to beat you to death with an iron great hammer. I honestly hope they do start involving more daedra in a more detailed way and they all are supposed to have personalities it's just we haven't really given them much. Maybe that could be worked on in the next one. Either way I can't wait to mod it to hell like all the rest.

[@IduNaVi2023]

A good lore explanation to get a Dremora to to honour his binding to the summons, would be to only summon them for a feat worthy of bragging rights on their return to Oblivion... For instance; "(Dremora) I was summoned to Mundus to slay a hundred mortals!" Rather than; _"(Dremora) I was spam summoned to Mundus by a pathetic mortal to lvl his Conjuration skill!"_

[@CareraDrift]

I miss this so much pls collaborate again

[@jyggalagthedaedricprinceof8459]

1:27 They don't have "organisation" because they are not me or my Knights of Order who can paralyse anyone for 24 Hours just using their awesomeness. They all don't know that that claim is wrong...

[@giantmonkee1199]

I think a good example of Dremora in Elder Scrolls Online is Lyranth. The player can potentially come in contact and interact with her/her/it several times.

[@thecomedygamingnetwork261]

Merry Christmas belatedly Also you guys made me proud

[@nordamoddev1038]

SHOT IN THE DARK - Dre-mora = (something like) Dead-woods? We know daedric princes can't create, only manipulate. Maybe the dremora where in some way made from the old hist trees from the last calpe. Would also explain the connection between hist and daedric realms & the (now it's been pointed out) weird mora in their name?

[@ciaranmck4469]

I mean dremora is the name that people of nirn have given them so your argument kinda falls apart straight away They call themselves kyn and kynaz ('the people' and 'of the kyn') And the dremora are in service to dagon not the hist

[@headphoneshq6032]

In ESO, there's a book written BY A DREMORA. Forgot the name, but it showed how he HATED to be summoned, and almost even killed his master, but couldn't because as soon as the binding spell wore off, the conjuration spell also did

[@sarwelhlaalu3926]

It's "I was summoned by a mortal" by Kynval Zzedenkathik of Clan Deathbringer. You can find it in Coldharbour.

[@DemonMaluMintus]

I remember reading about xivkyn having an obsession to collect soul gems and souls. I remember writing a xivkyn char for a tabletop game, that was basically obsessed over vampirism, and known it's inner workings. Because they thought it was the most efficient way to collect souls x'D given vampires when they die are doomed to find themselves in Coldharbour.

[@erikm2236]

A question that I would love to hear you guys talk about. “What do Daedric princes want?” As in, when famous wizards and world leaders made deals with daedra, what sort of things would they even consider to be a fair trade for their services?

[@srs4530]

Souls and influence on tamriel

[@erikm2236]

@@srs4530 I guess you’re right. That and favors would probably be the big three.

[@Zerix3Dragonkin]

Would be interesting to see deep conjuration knowledge go more in the direction of sending a missive to a Varlet or Churl, and through this communication, get invited through to their plane of Oblivion, and asked to prove yourself in combat to prove yourself worthy of making a pact. Later, you help your Dremora rise through the ranks faster than normal, and earning his true loyalty.

[@Exille28]

Nice a new podcast

[@adamthompson6669]

Oh yes 👍 podcast time 😁

[@zerik_media]

I love these podcasts guys keep up the great work!

[@NeillWylie]

Loving it!

[@neezduts69420]

Love this please make more

[@20starcombomaker]

I came up with a new Skyrim build I call the prototype Xivkyn: Basically use a mod or role play as a dremora that when molag bal was experimenting with trying to combine the dremora and Xivilai, you were what was originally made. You are xivkyn in the sense that you are a dremora that can transform into a xivilai (which is your vampire lord form), this technically both. It works even better as vampires and especially vampire lords are directly of molag bal's creation as well as the vampire lord form looks very similar to xivilai and the clothe they wear

[@Tmack82596]

Would love to see a video featuring both hircine and y'ffre

[@sycorhyno1190]

A tribe cursed for the greatest of failures to be cast out to the void and never to return with a lone survivor who escaped to nirn unbound where they found help by a powerful witch who gave him mortality through a great ritual no longer bound to the void or oblivion and forced to walk nirn with their own ambitions… Dremora Story Arc

[@Strellok100]

You can still summon a Dremora lord even as a novice conjurer if you have enough magicka to cast the spell, and keep them under your control. Imagine how that feels for a Dremora that's being summoned.

[@ferristhered1401]

A literal Hell's Kitchen in ES6 would actually be pretty great. Merry Christmas guys, see you in a better year!

[@fatgirl92876]

When are we getting a new Skyrim build

[@wreath626]

Hope everyone is having a lit ass holiday season ❤☃️

[@PxNxWxGxW]

I love Lyranth in ESO

[@lucastanaway4623]

AHHHH!! Sun bro!

[@PrinceRahorakhty]

I enjoy watching these podcasts I hope you guys make some more vids together In the future.

[@evelynrobinson3573]

I had a dream last night where I met Scott in Tesco, but he had Drew's voice and Michaels hair, is this amouranth? Is it because I started reading koda?

[@hedgehog7498]

Anyone here ever find the 1 female dremora through that 1 Oblivion gate in ES4?

[@Mary_Beth_Reimer]

Thank you! Stay safe guys! 😄

[@slimretro2659]

I would love a game in Oblivion, imagine seeing all the realms and how their civilisation works and seeing that they just might not be so different to mortals.

[@excommunicatedpriest8984]

Im a little late and im just starting the video but I'm excited to learn about this.

[@YagrumBagarn69]

I remember finding and then destroying a whole royalty of Dremora down under in Morrowind, with distinct names, really interesting tbh.

[@chacepassmore6474]

Woah really?! Was it a quest??? I've never had the privilege of playing it. I've watched tons of playthroughs though. I've only played Oblivion and skyrim.

[@YagrumBagarn69]

@@chacepassmore6474 Well tbh I was just constantly exploring the underground.

[@chacepassmore6474]

@@YagrumBagarn69 hell yeah

[@o80y1]

Saul Goodman’s a Dremora confirmed

[@networknomad5600]

How ESO doesn’t have Dremora as a playable race yet is beyond me.

[@JjayNC8L]

While i love more depth and detail, Molag Bal being the moustache twirling bad guy of elder scrolls isnt a bad thing in my opinion, we have prince on prince, as well as aedra, unaligned powerful daedric creatures full of complexity, and detail, sometimes its nice to have just a bad guy. You know? And of all of the princes, Molag Bal has always felt like that to me. I mean, his whole stint with lamia, his deals with harkun, his previous quests usually being about bringing good people low. Corruption, scheming, and just plain evil literally has been his thing in all appearances consistently, and I personally feel that makes him interesting, because unlike other princes, sometimes his schemes or actions serve literally no purpose beyond plain malice, and thats part of the point of Molag Bal, and why hes so despised even amongst his own kind, to where hes actively opposed, and quite frankly, has to be, because real evil, real malice is self serving and unexplainable more often than not. Not all evil needs a justification, and with all the justifying lately with everything im a little burnt out from overthinking things, and can genuinely appreciate the bad guy thats there to be, the bad guy. I dont need to question or even think about why i oppose him, the evidence is all around where he is, its nice, once in a while.

[@weirdreportt]

Daedrologist Drew 👁️

[@Im-Not-a-Dog]

I thought "Mora" means "wood" in Elven, not Daedric. Could just be that the syllables for "Mora" appear in both languages without meaning the same thing.

[@sbydri]

amazing as always. Tbh these podcasts and your videos in general are really nice to listen to while drawing and i even learn something, thanks

[@AmygdalanArm]

Your smiles are incredibly infectious.

[@chacepassmore6474]

I kind of wonder if the twilights, scamps, and other "non-sentient" deadra are all more like vessels and a hive-mind controlled by powerful lesser deadra like the dremora

[@20starcombomaker]

Which is typically stronger lore wise? Xivilai or Xivkyn? The Xivilai look down on the Dremora but does anyone know how the Xivilai view the Xivikyn and vice versa?

[@seanstacks3436]

Have you guys heard of the new Werewolf: The Apocalypse game, it looks like it could be really good.

[@maxwheatley4497]

Why is sanguine depicted standing on a skull in both daggerfall and oblivion?

[@inevaundastand]

Hey guys! Could you do a video on the architectural styles of the different races?

[@sebastianprimomija8375]

14:12 Duke doesn’t necessarily mean that you own Land, the word Duke comes from latin Dux/Greek Doux which means a high level military officer and Count comes from Comite which means a person within an Assembly, like a Committee

[@ciaranmck4469]

That's the ancient definition however even the byzantines called their Dukes doux which kinda contradicts that so they're definitely correct on saying that a Duke is a person who holds a duchy

[@sebastianprimomija8375]

@@ciaranmck4469 Doux in the Byzantine empire was used for Admirals (Megadoukas) and also a Honorary title for Family members of the Emperor, it rarely conferred an estate. People who actually “owned” land and can be compared to the Dukes of Western Europe where Strategoi (Military Commanders of a Themata) and Katepans (Military Commanders of a Province not connected to Greece or Asia Minor) I was making the case that maybe when using Duke they are using the Antiquated meaning of Duke as a Military title as opposed to the Modern notion of Duke being that of a Landed Aristocrat, because Dremora are such Martial creatures and it doesn’t seem right that they would be some sedentary beings taking care of an estate like a Western European aristocrat.

[@ciaranmck4469]

@@sebastianprimomija8375 is that why nikephoros III was made doux of Thessalonica which was a duchy in the middle 11th century in the byzantine empire It seems past the 9th century doux and thus Duke took a new definition from its ancient definition Obviously your point still stands but still it's a very *old* saying and they're probably right in the definition they use

[@maxwheatley4497]

Why would spirits fall into races? Do they choose to?

[@danoliver8989]

Podcast on the vampire clans ?

[@DuskyPredator]

Correct me if I am wrong, but aren't true daedra weapons and armor usually actually Daedra themselves, just forced into the form of a weapon or armor? That is why you can summon such things with conjuration. My take has been that the weapons and armor of dremora are actually such daedra, that is why they are weaker than Daedric weapons made through smithing with obsidian. And why the armor of demora cannot usually be removed, because they are a lesser daedra bonded to the body of the daedra, or maybe even their own form altered.

[@zSchreckensszene]

And for that matter, why didn't Dagon intervene on his own when he wouldn't even have needed the invitation to do so?

[@teacherjohn_stoic-dreamven7373]

Ladies, Gentlemen, Scholars... I always thought of the word "Chevalier" when reading "Xivilai", not in terms of being a horseman, but their names and relationship with other Dremora. Google Chevalier, just a suggestion, and give it a quick read. This just might answer a question or two.

[@Cyrathil]

There are plausible pronunciations for x as more Sh-/Ch- so Shivalai/Chivalai.

[@thelegendofoldworld2716]

So were there ever a group of mortals who dedicated their lives to fighting dremora ?

[@chacepassmore6474]

Technically all of Tamriel during the oblivion crisis lol, but also the Vigilants of Stendar have always hunted deadra

[@Haggysack2k8]

3:32 I like how Drew just enters fascinating-storytelling-voice-mode

[@kohuta4242]

Someone always has to throw in "See you next year"

[@endyayala9386]

The accident freeing of a dremora by receiving a free gift makes sense as a reason why you need to summon and unbound dremora to get a sigil stone in the conjuration ritual spell.