Red Meat & Cholesterol: Separating Fact from Fiction | Dr Kevin Maki

[@dennisskey9546]

Love this interview. Taught me how to talk to educated people. I am 68, I've become a carnivore. For 90 days now. Red Meat/ Lamb /Salt / Water / Electrolyte. I do adaptive resistance training using "Body By Science". This all done to produce a metabolism to, restore brain function, bone density, reduce blood pressure. I haven't used alcohol in a decade. Results are just amazing. Weightloss, clarity, went from XXL to L in clothes. I appreciate this interview because I want to be able to understand the changes. I socialize with executives in pharm and they are skeptical, predicting long term effects. But the reality is doctors and the medical industry are not experts in nutrition. You need to advocate for yourself. And understand "food is medication". I would be a great candidate to reach out to, as someone who has gone off grid from pharma/medical solutions.

[@seattlegrrlie]

I've always told my friends that there is a big difference between having a quality steak with a side of broccoli vs. a fast food cheeseburger with high sugar bread dripping with sauce. It's not the red meat, it's what you eat along side it

[@polibm6510]

And quality steak without broccoli is even better.

[@stealthswimmer]

​@polibm6510 no it's not. Studies all push in the direction that you're healthier and live longer with the addition of fresh fruits and vegetables. And any downsides of meat seem to mitigated by simply adding those fresh fruits and vegetables.

[@semacaa]

@@polibm6510 😅

[@nikitaw1982]

Don’t forget the 600ml coke or 2.

[@nikitaw1982]

@@stealthswimmermitigated? Nice try

[@Zaaxun]

I Eat 2-3 lbs of beef a day, 6 eggs for breakfast, carnivore diet for 6 months never felt better in my life.

[@RibeyeRob]

Finally, a decent comment 😃 I endorse this message. Eat lot's of red meat, salt to taste and water to thirst. Throw in pasture raised eggs too, everyone.

[@semacaa]

​@@RibeyeRobMe too!

[@stx7389]

You will feel great now but later you will regret it hard

[@semacaa]

@stx7389 You still regretting all you life and you still not healthy. Follow all the bs doctors who told you to eat cheerios with milk for breakfast and a big salad at lunch

[@Zaaxun]

@stx7389 how do you figure that. That's complete ignorance.

[@markiemark911]

My father-in-law 68 year old was diagnosed with Type-2 diabetes 6-to-8 months ago. His youngest brother 56 year old died a horrible death as a result of Type-2 diabetes a year ago. Amputation of toes and feet and finally congestive heart failure. *** You can’t change anyone but you can inspire others.*** My father-in-law finally took my advice to go LOW CARB, reduce/cut out sugar and seed oils and processed food products. As of today, his doctor informed him that his next follow up is in a year. He’s no longer diabetic. He just eats meat, chicken, fish, eggs and vegetables, some fruits and minimally processed nuts. And cook them in only olive oil and butter. We just had coffee with honey and Oikos yogurt with berries.

[@jimmystewart2814]

I would be willing to bet, this gentleman is at least pre-diabetic. I don't take financial advise from poor people.

[@Pechanni]

As a so-called "lean mass hyper-responder", I'm looking forward to hearing what he has to say on cholesterol! Dividing the video into chapters would be nice.

[@semacaa]

Everyone on this chat get couples of pounds of steak and 6 to 8 eggs and let eat and watch this

[@timnestor3005]

Remember, there are no essential carbohydrates!

[@stanefferding]

There is no essential cholesterol either. Your body makes all it needs.

[@hansvanderwaal4684]

But high cholestrol doesn't make you sick. High carb intake does.​@@stanefferding

[@timnestor3005]

@@stanefferding your body makes cholesterol because it is essential.

[@cullin-ellman]

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[@ikaikalaniparsley]

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[@sedgewickglantz]

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[@salimadevaugh]

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[@michaelwelch9415]

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[@peggyfinnell7332]

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[@gingebrien2408]

I don’t feel dr. Keven Maki added anything to my understanding of nutrition. Zip zero. Disappointed with respect to the title of the lecture and what actually was presented. Dr. Ginge.

[@alz.7716]

This man does not look like the picture of health.

[@RudyMettia]

We can’t all be gym bros we need nerdy book worms too.

[@alz.7716]

@RudyMettia are those two mutually exclusive?

[@MagicButtersClass]

Surely no one thinks in such a simple way?

[@alz.7716]

@@MagicButtersClass surely you're wrong and my lying eyes have failed to deceive me.

[@Aquapumpkin]

Neither does she. If you subtract all the cosmetic attempts, her real age would be much more visible. More proof that high protein intake ages you. She might be strong, but she could have achieved the same with less than 2/3 of her protein intake, while minimising the accrual of the aging effects from the rest of the excess.

[@peterbedford2610]

Saturated fat? Track your ldl, hdl and triglycerides and ApoB. Get a CAC and CIMT test. These data points will tell you, very accurately, about your cardiovascular health. Why guess?!?

[@allegro4060]

Meh, Bart Kay would destroy him xD

[@kippie80]

Checking out at 1:40 … all the smoke blowing tells me all I need to know.

[@PeterDMayr]

I doubt saturated fats is the problem. I think it is mostly the industrial chemicals, pesticides, pollutants that are stored into the fats too that are the issue. Eat grass fed products without the antibiotics as much as possible too. Reduce ultra-processed foods & oils, sugars, alcohol & smoking too.

[@stealthswimmer]

Well, the studies and people's actual blood work show that saturated fat is a problem by raising LDL and Apo b particles. There is a genetic component so some people respond a lot even to small increases while other people are not as sensitive. So some people can have more than others. Also, if you're maintaining a healthy bodyweight that is a big factor too.

[@Primitivemycology]

Want to say that I mean no offense, and please let me know what you have learned about this, this is just a thought of mine based on conversation I have with a few local farmers in my area that work small scale in order to have free range beef and goats. I have a feeling the "grass fed" and "organic" foods are a scam. No livestock is only fed fresh grass in the pasture, it would not sustain them alone. All livestock, even free range pastured graized is supplemented with hay and small amounts of grain. Maybe far less and they are not confined in giant buildings like mainstream livestock. Also "organic" isn't pesticide free or antibiotic free, there is a list of "approved" pesticides and antibiotics that are allowed to still be considered organic. does anyone actually know what livestock farming of any kind truly entails? This is all just a selling point that allows big business to charge more. Yes it is great that the animals are not confined and sick, but none of the claims and certifications are actually what most of us think. I just started learning about this in depth last year by having friends and family in this industry. Yes I would much rather buy local because I know the health of the livestock is good but the main reason is the price. My neighbor barters with me from time to time for goat meat and the farm down the road will sell whole butchered cows at a much better price per pound than I could ever dream of in the store. Please let me know your experience in your local area

[@stealthswimmer]

@Primitivemycology hay counts as grass. All cattle are grass fed....but most are *grain finished* because it's easier to fatten them up that way grass finished means they were only fed hay/grass the entire time

[@PeterDMayr]

I try to eat lamb, which I believe cannot be grain or hay fed. I live near New Zealand.

[@lilliangoertzel5609]

l😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊

[@gingebrien2408]

The other holes is adding meat to vegetables, fruits & grains that are deemed healthy , is essential adding contouring factors to the evaluate. He researcher start talking about the Hill criteria and causation but failed to give information that cholesterol is in fact the cause of heart disease. LDL is poorly correlated to coronary heart disease. This gentleman lives in the echo chamber that cholesterol is bad. Please stop and explain the cholesterol paradox. Dr. Ginge

[@kaynethrift9690]

I wish, rather than state, unreservedly, that saturated fat and and salt is bad for health there would be some proof offered. It seems this is always assumed as true and everyone knows the science. For example, is saturated fat or salt bad in the context of highly processed food, but has been shown to be equally bad in a diet devoid of processed food? Is all saturated fat and salt the same? Or, is it just expeditious, or of known little difference they are considered equal regardless of context?

[@hansvanderwaal4684]

Depends on you metabolic state. He seemed to take a carb burner as default. In that case he is on the right track. However if you are on a very low carb diet your metabolic state switches to fat burning. No issues with high saturated fat and salt. Especially on the carnivore diet.

[@gingebrien2408]

There is so many holes in this discussion. First it always bites me when a researcher speakers of the Mediterranean diet. There is zero consensus of what is allowed & what is forbidden in Mediterranean diet. It’s like saying there is weather outside. Really what hell did they eat.? Dr. Ginge

[@dietfreelife]

Here’s why this matters: The Problem Isn’t Omega-6s Themselves, But Excessive Intake Omega-6 fatty acids are not inherently bad; they are essential fats that the body needs. The problem lies in their overabundance in modern diets, often from processed foods and seed oils like soybean, corn, and safflower oil. This leads to skewed omega-6 to omega-3 ratios, which historically were around 1:1 but now are often as high as 20:1 or more. Such an imbalance can promote chronic inflammation, which is linked to various diseases, including heart disease, obesity, diabetes, and autoimmune disorders. Dr. Maki doesn't speak to this. Failure to Address the Root Cause of Imbalance By emphasizing the benefits of omega-6s without acknowledging the potential harm of excessive intake, experts like Dr. Maki may appear to sidestep the central issue: our omega-3 intake is too low, and omega-6 intake is excessively high. This imbalance may negate some of the benefits of omega-6s and worsen inflammation-related conditions. Lack of Holistic Nutritional Perspective Speaking only about the benefits of omega-6s can feel like a narrow focus. A more comprehensive approach would advocate for reducing the intake of omega-6-heavy seed oils while increasing omega-3-rich foods like fatty fish, pasture-raised eggs, and high-quality supplements to restore balance.

[@dietfreelife]

Listen to how he speaks about omega-6s. He chooses his words carefully. I wish you would have asked him about omega-6 to omega-3 ratios. Next time, ask him about consuming an abundance of omega-6s and not just omega-6s.

[@tomnohmy1273]

She's not a cardiologist, lipidologist or nutrition specialist. When it comes to anything carnivore related, I'll listen to the actual experts.

[@sirvikalcrusader3668]

Ahhhh the call to Authority. Tony Robbins..hold my beer.

[@rickguymon7702]

LOL whole grains, Fruit and veggies, nuts and beans. I wonder if he follows his own advice. He does not look healthy on that diet. I doubt there is really a study that says lower than 40 percent carbs lowers your life span.

[@polibm6510]

Because he doesn't look healthy, he probably follows his own advice.

[@jays7318]

Very well studied etc. But his physical shape is very poor. Does he practice based on what he learned?

[@connerhill2615]

This guy is so far off track and behind the times.

[@rickguymon7702]

Around 48 min mark he claims statins reduce risk by 22 percent. Is the that the old relative risk vs absolute risk scam? Sounds like the same old BS take statins early and forever.

[@richardpaschal2218]

I wonder how many food industry and/or pharma grants either direct or indirect through which he has benefitted financially over his career.

[@bigpicturegains]

Salt always gets thrown out there as one of the boogeymen, though I’ve yet to hear any convincing arguments for limiting salt intake in healthy active individuals.

[@stealthswimmer]

Point is most people are not active and healthy. Sodium is one of those things where you need enough for your activity and how much you're excreting through sweat, etc. Similar to carbohydrates should be adjusted based on what you're burning

[@bigpicturegains]

@ It would be nice if the experts speaking on it could provide some nuance and context rather than blanket statements that make it sound like something inherently bad

[@stealthswimmer]

@bigpicturegains the experts do. Social media i fluencers typically don't discuss nuance. The government also makes public policy recommendations which are all blanket statements since that's how public policy works. Unfortunately, health and medical statements are not well suited for making blanket statements. There are guiding principles that should ultimate be used to make tailored decisions for the individual 🙏

[@djones2857]

How much red meat and saturated fat can one safely eat to avoid heart CVD? Simply track your lab work - hs-CRP, APOB, LDL/HDL, trigs, BP, CIMT, CAC. The values needed to reduce CVD risk are lower than the "normal" ranges listed on lab results.

[@champ-x7k]

Happy Christmas gabrielle

[@stevelanghorn1407]

What Dr Maki says (1:08:40) about "charismatic, influential influencers" is worryingly plausible. Am I yet another sucker for their charms?!?

[@mosesng1109]

all titles means nothing if one can't help himself 🤣🤣🤣

[@adamr3922]

Merry Christmas!!

[@joshthomas9327]

Merry CHRISTmas!

[@VolkyHaus]

Please no grains, our molars say don't eat them

[@MagicButtersClass]

What 😂

[@tsebosei1285]

The best interview you did was with Dr Layne Norton this one on yhe other hand i am struggling to follow unfortunately i cant watch further Merry Christmas to the host. Please invite Mike O'Hearn and Greg Doucette to your podcasts. Thanks bye 12:58 12:59

[@nico3641]

@32:50. Unless you’re a hyper-absorber of cholesterol

[@paulfsweatt4948]

Wow, considering the fact, i.e. up to 2 pounds if not more of beef a day I’m really throwing off those statistics

[@heping07]

They can't do all these studies without funding from food industries and big pharmaceutical. Conflict of interest? You decide.

[@stealthswimmer]

Meat and dairy are also heavily subsidized. People just single out sugar and grain because they have a pro meat agenda. Fact of the matter is that meat, fruits, and vegetables all have unique health benefits. Also true that over consuming calories will lead to health problems regardless of the source of those calories (the source of calories will just shift which health problems you get)

[@rwh4114]

I would have like to heard the effects of red meat on all cause mortality rather than just CVD.

[@carinaekstrom1]

People who don't get dietary cholesterol will normally hyper respond when they do. So it depends on how much you already have in your system, doesn't it? People normally have a lot already so that's why they don't respond much. They are already far above what healthy levels are.

[@eutectoid1]

I fail to see where the separation of the fact and fiction is occurring - couldn't watch

[@MagicButtersClass]

Probably best you get back to the short’s buddy

[@DrTomMD]

Excellent guest. Thank you.

[@mikefreeman6799]

Red meat consumption in 🇺🇸 is 3.7 ounces a day! Dang!

[@carinaekstrom1]

Plus all the other meat with saturated fats.

[@tonycollyweston6182]

Looks like his BMI is elevated and he has not disclosed his conflict of interest. I would guess most his papers were funded by Big Beef?

[@PeterDMayr]

Good interview & guest, but the intros are repeated 3 x.

[@iDeist]

Great talk. Thanks and Merry Christmas.

[@RibeyeRob]

I didn't listen but Merry Christmas anyway 😀

[@aquahero]

Great video.

[@joerockhead7246]

thank you.

[@TheVafa95]

I lowered my cholesterol by switching to an all-plant diet. However, after I started drinking coffee, my cholesterol levels went over the limit. As a physician, it is better to give patients a choice.

[@aufsesserpremium]

There are 2 risk factors connected to meat consumption that are widely overlooked, lying in the cooking method (only).... 1.) AGE`s (advanced glycation endproducts) "AGEs have been implicated in Alzheimer's Disease, cardiovascular disease, and stroke. The mechanism by which AGEs induce damage is through a process called cross-linking that causes intracellular damage and apoptosis. " "Advanced glycation end products (AGEs) are a family of compounds that are the products of nonenzymatic reactions between reducing sugars and proteins, lipids, or nucleic acids. Roasting and broiling food at high temperatures is a common practice in cooking. These high temperatures facilitate chemical reactions between primary and secondary amino groups of amino acids in proteins and carbonyl groups of reducing sugars, resulting in formation of AGEs" "Beef and cheese were found to have the highest levels of AGEs followed by poultry, pork, fish, and eggs....." "Some modern foods contain relatively high amounts of AGEs." "This is mostly due to popular methods of cooking that expose food to dry heat. These include barbecuing, grilling, roasting, baking, frying, sautéing, broiling, searing, and toasting." "In fact, dry heat may increase the amount of AGEs by 10-100 times the levels of uncooked foods. Certain foods, such as animal foods that are high in fat and protein, are more susceptible to AGE formation during cooking ." www.healthline.com/nutrition/advanced-glycation-end-products#diet-and-ag-es pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC3704564/ = just cook your stuff in water...... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ 2.) frying (what is a bad idea in the first place) your stuff in linolenic acid rich oils, like sunflower, soy oil etc...cause linoleic acid ist not heat stable and is oxidyzing into 4- HNE (Hydroxynonenal) "The researchers found the compound 4-hydroxyl-trans-2-nonenal (HNE) in soybean oil that they heated to 185 degrees Celsius. The compound is formed primarily during the oxidation of linolenic acid and damages cellular proteins and DNA, the researchers reported at a congress in Salt Lake City in the USA." www.aerztezeitung.de/Medizin/Toxin-in-erhitztem-Speise-Oel-334526.html "4-hydroxy 2-nonenal (HNE), a highly toxic and most abundant stable end product of lipid peroxidation, has been implicated in the tissue damage, dysfunction, injury associated with aging and other pathological states such as cancer, Alzheimer, diabetes, cardiovascular and inflammatory complications." "HNE is a tremendously reactive and is considered to be the most toxic aldehyde ." > pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC3964795/

[@jmw-q4u]

i grill beef several times a day and have for years and years

[@PeterDMayr]

But, is it the insecticides, pesticides, pollutants, unfresh food (oxidation), plastics,... that are the cause of this? These get stored in fats of animals too. The body has mechanism to filter some of these out. Smoking & drinking alcohol are weakening bodies' defenses as was some or all the mRNA shots given. Stress & poor sleep don't help too. Exercise helps to eliminate toxic elements, but prevention is always best. What are the effects of chlorine water & antibiotic foods? And, finally, there are the added sugars & ultra-processed foods.

[@aufsesserpremium]

@@PeterDMayr AGE`s are made naturally in all bodies and the accumulation over time is the main reason for the aging process, the longterm bloodsugar marker your doctor is checking, HBA1C...is the percent your red bloodcells are glycated over the last 3 month, a good number is 5%...the sugars in our system are glycating proteins everywhere. There are pathways to get rid off, but that does work just to a degreee and some AGE`s need years and decades to get rid off, exercise is way to help...maintain a low blood sugar, no spikes....the health risks of diabetics are coming mainly from higher AGE`s... The main part of AGE`s are made internally, but eating food with high AGE content does play a role too. Most foods are highly heated nowadays, that mean cereals, crackers, stuff, babyfood has a high AGE content for the body weight, cause the heating for "foodsafety"....and here, meat with a higher AGE content from start, is a very high source when heated dry and hot, the more brown the more... That`s a modern problem, primitive peoples don`t heat anything to dead... In animal studies a low AGE diet had the same effect for longevity and health as a calorie restriction.

[@bobafet5363]

Good!

[@DobyDuke]

Eat more beef!!,

[@davidpaul3821]

Yes we do save our bacon grease to cook with, we also use beef tallow, this guy is out to lunch. 🥩🍖🥓🍳

[@clairai]

this is a massive episode. he is in a top position to speak on this confounding topic and bring us clarity. thank you dr lyon

[@carinaekstrom1]

The reason (besides familial hypercholesterolemia) some people don't get their cholesterol down with diet is because they don't do the diet right. It should be whole food vegan and long term for best results. Supplemented with vit. D, B12 and algae oil. Obviously people "can't" do it if they're not told what they actually need to do.

[@bonnieschmidt5882]

And you might want to add C-15 as well. Hmm… I wonder why such a “healthy” diet needs so much supplementation?

[@carinaekstrom1]

@@bonnieschmidt5882 There's no diet that can't be safer and more effective with supplementation. Especially in the colder climates and as people age.

[@RibeyeRob]

@@carinaekstrom1 If your diet needs supplementation then you're eating the wrong diet. The carnivore diet is the future so either jump on board or fall by the wayside. The cat is out of the bag now and there's no stopping this carnivore train.

[@carinaekstrom1]

@@RibeyeRob You are deluding yourself if you think the carnivore diet does not need supplementation. On top of that it's risky for many other health reasons, not to mention environmentally unsustainable and cruel.

[@williamh5103]

Is he saying that meat eaters are thick, smokers and unhealthy life style, does that include me?!

[@carinaekstrom1]

LDL of 100 mg/dl might be normal, but it's too high to be considered healthy.

[@bobmorgan5636]

It also depends on which type of moleculed make up that LDL... small, high density from eating all the crap stuff, or large low density LDL from no high processed, high sugar, bad cooking oils, etc.

[@carinaekstrom1]

@@bobmorgan5636 Yes, I agree, but less is still better, because too much of large, low density is still able to get in where it shouldn't be, even though less often. When it does get in it carries a large load.

[@jmw-q4u]

lolwut

[@RibeyeRob]

My LDL is 355, HDL 83 and Trigs 30. That is awesome! If my ldl ever drops below 300 I'll start to worry.

[@RibeyeRob]

You vegans never seem to understand that every cell in your body is made from saturated fat and cholesterol. Those things are the essence of life... and you starve yourself of them. That alone explains why vegans have all the health issues they have... such as losing their periods and countless more.

[@daysoftheboo]

Most people who eat red meat to eat it because they like eating that stuff I don't understand how people like eating meat it's so gross and disgusting to me it doesn't matter how you cook it or what you do to it it still gross boring horrible texture meat But I've been wondering about the mental aspects of someone who hates eating meat but forces themselves to eat it because everyone says you have to, I saw KZbin video I can't remember from who but it said if you're eating foods you don't enjoy it can affect you physically and you're less likely to absorb all the nutrients vs eating foods you do enjoy, back in 2018 I forced myself to eat a low-carb diet I was eating lots and lots and lots of meat and animal fat, I hated eating this diet but I thought I had to because I fell for all the nonsense about this is the best diet blah blah blah and I was desperate for relief, eventually I got really really sick, I quit eating that diet I was so happy when I quit because I felt like I'm Allowed to eat other foods but I became afraid of carbs it took a while to get over that fear, Looking back I wonder if part of the reason why I got so sick was because I hated what I was eating and how miserable I was eating that crap the whole time so I wonder if there is some slight connection between emotional effects of eating foods you hate

[@mikefreeman6799]

Deep message. I simply experimented with meatless diet in 2016 for few months and never went back to eating meat again. My recovery from daily hard MMA/weightlifting sessions was exactly the same but my digestive system was functioning way better. So it was no brainer for me to adopt vegetarian lifestyle. For some people it may work for others it won’t. But 3.7oz daily red meat consumption per average American is mad.

[@daysoftheboo]

@mikefreeman6799 speaking of digestive system, besides eating the meat itself I also Hated my poops on a low-carb high meat diet Sorry for the TMI but it's important because having a healthy digestion and healthy bowel movements is so important I Hated pushing out marbles and rocks it was miserable!! So meat is not only disgusting going down But it's annoying and difficult going out, I now enjoy healthy bowel movements on a plant-based diet So people on a carnivore diet who "brag" about pooping once every 2 weeks , or pooping like a deer If that's what they enjoy good for them but that is hell no not for me!!!

[@RibeyeRob]

Sounds like a troll comment to me. Meat and Fat is our species specific diet. It's what we evolved eating over 4.5 million years. The idea that if you eat this way it will make you sick is simply nuts. So you're either trolling or there's something else seriously wrong with you.

[@daysoftheboo]

@RibeyeRob you're a troll!! Go eat your meat and be happy with it, people are allowed to not like foods that you enjoy! It's not the end of the world if I hate eating meat

[@daysoftheboo]

@RibeyeRob something is wrong with you if you think something is wrong with me because I don't like eating meat,, go back and read what you just said because it's so R word