Drinker's Chasers - Marvel's Echo Looks Terrible

[@arbhall7572]

Every single time I see this clip. All I can think of....all I can hear in my head ....is Cartman screaming "Cripple fight!!!!"

[@nonamewatchamacallit7828]

That made me laugh way too hard :)

[@pure-blood17]

lol, great comment. Well played.

[@samfisherxboxog8925]

I want someone to make that reality by memeing that into a clip

[@kentnebergall3156]

Edit it in. That actually would make Matt and Trey from South Park probably laugh their Chepekkers off.

[@lucag3052]

@@kentnebergall3156yess someone has got to do that

[@awesomehpt8938]

Marvel is just an Echo of what it once was many years ago

[@Pandaman94]

Hahaaaaaaaaaaaaaa lol

[@cannon26ify]

Bad dum dum tssssssss!

[@marshallnmoonshine]

Come on, man… 😅

[@MrFiddleedee]

Best comment here so far.

[@ProjectRedfoot]

Ah! 😊

[@Taco_God]

In the echo comics she has the ability to mimic everyone elses fighting style. In the tv show everyone else has the ability to mimic her lack of ability to make her look good.

[@herrsiemes7094]

Honestly a fun concept, a villain whose ability is to nerf the heros around him 💀

[@WarpChaos]

So she's Taskmaster.

[@herrsiemes7094]

@@WarpChaos yes she was essentially a street level copy of taskmaster but the writers- im not making this up btw- literally said that they thought it was lame so they got rid of that ability for the show. Hilariously they forgor (💀) to give her another ability in return

[@the_weed_in_your_garden9319]

​@@WarpChaosthis is exactly what I was thinking. Only she's not even that good at copying others

[@ArionNoble]

@herrsiemes7094 Apparently no one consults MEN when it comes to movies supposedly aimed at MEN.

[@AbsentMinded619]

Her secret lair had better be called the Echo Chamber

[@nl3712]

😂😂😂😂😂

[@RecluseBootsy]

Severely underrated comment. 😂

[@Inkling2B]

Nice. Also ironic

[@eyedunno8462]

Only because Kingpin paid for it

[@lordmclovin3694]

Her superpower is the ability to last one season and still be classed as a success

[@gokux75]

It's those pesky White supremacists.

[@tateharrisnerdboi4281]

Its a miniseries

[@kevinoneil5120]

This fight scene is the perfect representation of the modern strong female character trope; the man must hold back so the woman can look better. So strong, so brave.

[@osmanyousif7849]

You know, I’m still waiting for the day we get a man versus woman fight where the man doesn’t hold back, and the woman takes the hit, but you see the bruises. If you want a film that’s shows women can go against men, you have to at least show that they can take the pain as well, as men do.

[@shadowpriest2574]

Yeah, he is clearly in such a good shape like that part where he jumps over that iron fence in 2 seconds and then you look at her and her moves..... so pathetic.

[@jedininja3016]

​@osmanyousif7849 the closest I can think of is one Drinker himself brought up in one video. Emily Blunts character in the 2015 film Sicario. She punches a military dude full on in the face and he's barely fazed and then promptly drops her in like 2 seconds

[@moonknight4053]

Idk where echo ranks in the street tier of marvel, but I’m sure daredevil would kick her ass. Like yeah she’d probly give him a decent fight but daredevil would win 7/10. No one can say for sure unless they are knowledgeable on powerscaling lol. This fight scene looks bad tho, super fake

[@davidblue819]

@@osmanyousif7849 Twilight Eclipse -- Bella punches Jacob. Twilight movies are literally more realistic than Marvel.

[@thecatalyst473]

I feel sorry for Vincent D’Onofrio. To be relegated from Netflix Daredevil kingpin to this is a travesty.

[@gelchert]

And we thought that Hawaiian shirt on _Hawkeye_ was the worst thing that happened to that character…

[@Blu3-Fir3]

And I thought him getting run over by Kate Bishop's mom was bad enough.

[@xiiirob]

You should see his interview, he basically dances around saying the entire script is shite lol

[@herrsiemes7094]

Genuinely don't understand why he returned

[@F1jones]

You know, he could have said "no." It's not like the quality of this show is a mystery. Blame him for taking the job instead of feeling sorry for his own decision.

[@nont18411]

When you realize that the script is so bad Vincent D’onofrio chose to lose weight so that they won’t bring him back as Kingpin anymore.

[@md_vandenberg]

The showrunner's changed Echo's powers because they were "lame." Yes, the ability to change your fighting style on the fly is total crap compared to the done a million time before "call on the power of the wolf and my ancestors" trope. Also, Echo was originally a member of the Blackfoot tribe but they didn't like their aesthetic. They called an entire tribe's visual style ugly. And they're supposed to be the good guys.

[@zomb1elvis]

I think it was more to do with being able to find a native American actress who's also an elite level martial artist wasnt feasible so they just switched her powers

[@TheSniperGTO]

The best badass woman of color in an action movie I’ve ever seen is Vasquez in Aliens, who was played by a redheaded, light skinned, Jewish woman.

[@marychocolatefairy]

@@zomb1elvis Stunt doubles? Anyway, I'd think finding a young martial artist Native woman wouldn't be any harder than finding a young deaf Native woman, lol. Also, the director/showrunner did use the word "lame" in describing her comic powers, there's no getting around that. Said showrunner also explained the new powers were chosen specifically to link it to her Native background (which as OP says has been done to death).

[@josepetersen7112]

They probably didn't like the Blackfoot (blackfeet?) As they are one of only two economically successful tribes in the US.

[@derekbrown6161]

@@josepetersen7112 So apparently instead she is Choctaw, likely for the Trail of Tears pathos. Which should also bring up the history of slavery within NA tribes, but you know that wont happen.

[@Xumenade]

0:57 He clean smacked her leg with his sticks which he has certifiably broken bones with in seasons passed- he would have instantly became aware she had a prosthetic when it didn't instantly break. At that point he would have DOUBTLESSLY exploited that weakness and perhaps indeed ripped it off or tried to disable it if the writers and choreographers weren't hacks.

[@anorouch]

None of the hits landed. Noone was injured. They got a little tired and walked away.

[@jeremyallen5974]

Like what happened to Curtis in the Netflix Punisher

[@moonknight4053]

This daredevil looks kinda weaker then netflix daredevil lol, and Netflix version was too realistic.. cuz in the comics he can hurt guys like Spider-Man lol, can’t beat ‘em but can definitely hurt em.

[@DrMundo92]

I dont wanna be rude, but how does she generate power in that spin kick? If the prostetic goes to what it was the knee, im no doctor, but i dont believe she can put any power in that kick... Same with the other leg, how can she generate power if she can plant and twist her leg from the bottom up? I dont know if they know but even with shoes the toes help to generate power. Next level we will have a guy in a wheel chair doing brazilian kicks

[@herrsiemes7094]

@@DrMundo92additionally, how is a deaf person supposed to time a block or a counter? There is a reason why professional fighters often train with a blindfold and never with earbuds lmao

[@nont18411]

Deaf girl vs blind guy. Now I’m confused who’s more oppressed.

[@GoddessOfWhim2003]

she is cause woman, unless Matt is trans

[@shadowpriest2574]

She is a girl. Nuff said.

[@dante040]

The body shapes give it away

[@arminxvs3372]

Always the chick. Even a crippled, blind, ugly dude has it "better" than a regular chick in our "systematic patriarchy". 😂

[@daveeyes]

She's a deaf American Indian. Ching! More oppression points!

[@silverscorpio24]

The very first rule of any serious martial arts is NEVER leave yourself open to your opponent. I immediately lost count of how many times Echo flailed her arms out to her sides like she was trying to fly.

[@xipheonj]

The worst was when she lifted her leg and held it there for a second leaving her crotch as a huge target, as if to say "stab me daddy!"

[@gabrielboorom2683]

🎵I believe I can fly... Cause I believe in meeeeeeeeee🎵

[@MrShadowSmith]

She was punching the air maybe she is blind too lmao

[@EvilDoresh]

But it _looks_ cool. Right...?

[@MakeYouFeelBetterNow]

I know, terrible. Wild haymakers that are super slow...

[@starlimitz2]

"He can't see her and she can't hear what he's saying so there's no communication!" "That's why they're fighting!" LOLOLOLOLOLOL!!!!!!!! Brilliant.

[@AtlatlMan]

>constant complaints about "Magic American Indians" in fiction >gives her Magic American Indian powers What's next, she gonna shout INUKCHUK and grow really tall?

[@Werewolf.with.Internet.Access]

Disney: *frantic backspace noises* Umm…no?

[@A_NorthKorean_CoOp]

The show peaked when she signed : “It’s Echoing time”.

[@franciscor390]

They went completely wild with the checkboxes here.

[@grandmufftwerkin9037]

My favourite part of the Echo teasers was when John Redcorn showed up, and channeled the spirit of Wematanye to summon a flock of snipe, and save the day.

[@lukebrown188]

Echo had some headaches that only John Redcorn can fix with his amazing massages

[@osets2117]

Perfection lol

[@synapse913]

Wematanye, I see Daredevil’s butt, Wematanye!

[@GhostCrowBrother]

Ahhhhh this made my entire day 😂 Wematanye!

[@newwavepop]

if i had not LITERALLY watched that episode 2 days ago on HULU i would not understand this great comment. So much better than anything i have seen in years now.

[@annienunyabiz6627]

It's the super slow spin kick she does in the middle and Daredevil just standing there watching her do it that gets me. How could anyone possibly say it looks even a little bit good with that slow-ass spin and he doesn't just beat her ass right there?

[@thealgorithmluvsu3788]

She also did a leg sweep while standing like 5 feet away.

[@bowtie2232]

She almost lost her balance during that kick too

[@LastNameReese]

Well. Daredevil wasn’t watching anything considering. But I get your point.

[@stromaufwaerts-b7w]

If i was a director on that scene i would have just call cut because that moment made the whole one take a failed take so why wasting time and not restart? As editor i would suggest jump cuts when i see the whole take doesn't work, countless people of this production saw the scene and said: wow, cool shot. That's incompetence.

[@grandmufftwerkin9037]

The real Echo were the friends we made along the way.

[@jculver1674]

The real Echo were the friends we made along the way.

[@seankenneth8622]

@@jculver1674 The real Echo were the friends we made along the way.

[@brendofire2084]

The real Echo were the friends we made along the way

[@nickcharles1284]

The real echo was .... waaaayyydaminnit!

[@josepetersen7112]

lol. Does that mean all of our friends will rapidly deteriorate and go away? I feel like a serial killer.

[@fishjones4618]

There was a filmation cartoon from the late 80’s called Braveheart. It was a space western ala Firefly and its main character, Sheriff Braveheart, was Native American but the show didn’t announce it nor did it make it his one character trait. He had a special talisman which doubled as his badge that tapped into spirit world of animals and gave him the ability to channel the power of any animal he calls out (strength of the bear, speed of the puma, etc). It was basically Echo done better.

[@comedianchrisdoering4097]

I think it's Bravestar from what I remember.

[@EdgarFriendlysCivicsTeacher]

You're thinking of Bravestarr

[@EdgarFriendlysCivicsTeacher]

​@@comedianchrisdoering4097oops. Beat me to it.

[@mroctober3657]

Strength of the bear!

[@mroctober3657]

Bravestarr.

[@rankoorovic7904]

Marvel few years ago could do no wrong now they can't do anything right

[@richtes]

Question is do they want to do anything right?

[@xipheonj]

@@richtes Yes, but their definition of right changed, the people who they want to tell them they're right are different people.

[@gokux75]

Not to me. As soon as Disney bought them their quality started to go down.

[@jskrabac]

Looking season 2 was pretty great.

[@southfloridaarcheryguy114]

Why am I expected to buy into the idea that pudgy little girls can be badass superheroes..??!! It looks ridiculous.

[@trime1015]

I remember the insane prequel fighting choreographies. Prequel goofiness aside, I always loved them just because how much effort the actors poured into them.

[@R1ck_Ryder]

Ah yes because fanboys remember the original trilogy had nothing goofy at all! Grow up dude

[@trime1015]

who shit in your coffee my dude?@@R1ck_Ryder

[@R1ck_Ryder]

@trime1015 idiots like you who give half ass back handed remarks to the prequels, which are the most cohesive, passionate films that Lucas ever made because your ilk keep regurgitating lies and misinformation about them.

[@spacecore6000]

@@trime1015 He's just enjoying the smell of his own farts.

[@trime1015]

I said I actually really like the prequels, but they have some goofy parts, I don't know what he read into that or how that's wrong ^^' @@spacecore6000

[@MrSuckeragi]

Fun Fact, in the MCU, ECHO was trained by the village elder, High Chieftess Warren, known by her tribal name - Lying Bull, master of the ancient martial art of Bulshido

[@andrewpellet6971]

Some of us from the Orange Cheeto tribe also know her as Pocahontas and Goofy Elizabeth

[@spittinvenom9843]

Fun fact, you just read fun fact

[@xboxemoji4773]

@@andrewpellet6971is there a hot Cheeto tribe? 😂

[@andrewpellet6971]

@@xboxemoji4773 do you mean the Flaming Hot Cheeto tribe led by Milo and Kaitlyn Jenner, second of her name?

[@SidneyBroadshead]

Elizabeth Warren is Faux-cahontas. She's 1/1024 Native American. If she was a lobster roll with that fraction, you could sue Long John Silvers.

[@isaacwest276]

I thought this was a training scene until one of Echo's buds tackled Daredevil and I realized this was supposed to be life or death.

[@mco3884]

Fun fact: the fight scene was originally written as Daredevil taking psylocibin and quaaludes, then slowly lunging at all the imaginary white rabbits running across his visual cortex. The actress who played Echo randomly jumped in, and Sydney Freeland was filming the whole time ...

[@vee-bee-a]

Holy shit, quaaludes. Now, that takes me back to True Detective (Season 1). Do you know of Carcosa?

[@markroberts928]

Marvel today is like a memory of a town lol

[@vee-bee-a]

@@markroberts928 A bloody ghost town, really.

[@Rnyargd]

😂

[@spittinvenom9843]

Fun fact, no one says fun fact anymore

[@VolvoImpala]

"She can draw upon the power of her native American ancestors." Get the hell out!

[@I_D_I_0_T]

AND what powers would her ancestors have???

[@fromthecheapseats7126]

Dying of smallpox.

[@oskar6661]

I think what you're seeing in that fake interview show for Echo is simply this; all of the people in that "interview" are close friends of the "writers" (read: activists). That's their inner circle, their small 'Echo" chamber...if you will. That is the bizarro world, circus talent social circle of the people creating the show.

[@superfuss1984]

Would explain the Eye Watering Fashion...

[@Cybershroom]

Who needs Choreography when you have yas queen energy?

[@DeathCluntch]

For real ! Maybe that’s why John wick is definitely Not the greatest movies of all time and Echo is 😂

[@DainRiffgin89]

Talking about how her prosthetic leg and deafness don't affect her in combat reminds me of the deaf General from the Dragon Prince (which I generally liked for the first few seasons, but haven't come back to since). Like, how does someone who is deaf get far in the army, nevermind being the commander of the whole Kingdom's forces? It seems like, while she is deaf in all the normal scenes, when fighting breaks out, she is not at any disadvantage at all. Oftentimes it made me think: "Then why make her deaf in the first place?!" Seems like more of the same here...

[@abastionofbricks7575]

Yo I never thought I'd seen another person who's seen the show! Thought the first few seasons were building up great and season 3 was some of my favorite television ever, but seasons 4+ sucked major ass. I agree, it did seem weird but at least in that universe I feel I could suspend my disbelief a little more, especially cuz everything else around it held up. Like, why doesn't anyone just sneak up behind her and yeet her with a sword lmao.

[@mintdragon9548]

What?

[@thomascraiker6449]

I believe that character was mute not deaf. Your logic still wins out however. The three principles of combat are, shoot, move, *communicate*. She can not effectively communicate and thusly would be a detriment to her own side.

[@DainRiffgin89]

@@thomascraiker6449 I just checked: she is deaf. And a lesbian apparently. So that’s two boxes.

[@DuneStone6816]

@@thomascraiker6449 She is absolutely note mute. She yells at someone in season 5. I wouldn't be surprised if someone told me there's some scene I've forgotten where she seems to respond to a sound, but I'm pretty sure she's intended to be deaf.

[@1down4upworkshop61]

Quick side note, some artificial legs are held on with a locking pin system. Dare Devil could have theoretically pressed the release button and have her prosthetic leg pop off lol

[@briangraysonesq.4955]

As a guy that has both lock and vacuum, I can tell you it would likely stay on but it would not necessarily stay straight and firm as needed to fight

[@vee-bee-a]

Damn it, now I'm imagining her hopping away from Matt to get her third leg back.

[@EvilDoresh]

@@vee-bee-a They could have an Iron-Man-style scene where the replacement leg comes flying towards her

[@RecluseBootsy]

Pull a Bucky. 😮😂

[@joshuajoestar407]

Saw poster on the side of a bus. The actress looked like she didn’t want to be there.

[@DeathCluntch]

Why would anyone lol

[@forsakenquery]

Cartman's "Put a chick in it and make *lame* and gay!" takes on a whole new meaning...

[@Genethagenius]

As a martial artist & lifelong fan of Kung Fu films, fight choreography is important to me in tv & films. And this was… just like the Hayden Christianson-Rosario Dawson fight… 🤢

[@DuneStone6816]

In Hawkeye, Mayas prosthetic leg was completely covered in every scene she was in and had no bearing on the story. The little girl who played young Maya is flashbacks has both her legs, but her scenes were the only ones where she was every barefoot, so her scenes are the ones were the camera keeps zooming in on her fake foot that doesn't need to be there. They faked a disability on one actress because another actress happens to have a prosthetic that you never see.

[@dinoblacklane1640]

Oh my God, we've reached the point where disney is trying to beat disney at the oppression Olympics

[@shawndixon4536]

If this got cleared to be included in the actual series, then how terrible was Daredevil Born Again that they scrapped the filmed footage and going back to the drawing board?!?!?!

[@GLJosh]

I would rather have had a fight between Daredevil and Ecco the Dolphin.

[@theALTF4]

oww 🐬 i missed that game

[@Evom777]

Or even Daredevil vs Echo and the Bunnymen.

[@LeoJay]

Watching this scene made me want to lose my privilege as a sighted person, I envy the non-sighted privileged community for not being able to witness this atrocity.

[@ThiefOfNavarre]

Sadly you'll get no upvotes from them cause they won't have seen this comment either

[@lowlandnobleman6746]

What are you talking about blind people won’t read this comment. I’m pretty sure they can read it in braille…

[@ThiefOfNavarre]

@@lowlandnobleman6746 It was a joke. I'm aware braille displays exist.

[@BlindWarriorPoet]

They do, and screen readers are also a thing that almost every phone and computer have these days. But anyway, shows like this one do make being blind a little more bearable, lol.

[@Tinandel]

As much an afterthought as it was, that story at the end about the girls doing something new and exciting and fun and only caring about how they could put it on social media.... that hit home. When people start framing their lives around stuff like that, it is legitimately scary.

[@newwavepop]

i keep wanting to make a live reacts video where i go take a dump. but i think people would completely misunderstand the contempt and vitriol intended by doing so, and then i am that guy with the huge hilarious viral poop video and get the credit for starting the poop challenge video which is the top viral meme of 2024. and i have added to the problem.

[@ge2719]

Thats what happens when kids grow up with social media. Everyones else who posts thigs seems like they have more interesting lives and get more attention from others even if its just likes and ot real attention. And so kids are being trained to feel bad if they dont seek attention from the infinite void. Rather than just having fun with people whos company they enjoy. My neighbour has a daughter, how is 13/14, and they were over on boxing day and she was showing what one of the other kids in her class got for chistmas, because this girl posted it on her social media. The pile of presents filled the entire bloody room, it was ridiculous. New ipad,iphome, laptop, makeup, clothes on and on just an insane amount of presents. All ofthem completely impersonal and superficial as well. But kids wont recognise that. They dont see that a personal present from somone that shows they know you and care is better than thousands of pounds of just stuff off amazon. Theres so many issues kids are going to have developed growing up now with this social media influencing the way their thinking patterns are developing

[@davidanderson_surrey_bc]

@@newwavepopWorse yet, you get that Tik Tok thing where there are nested poop videos and somehow they're synchronized. The Wellerman becomes the Smellerman.

[@EvilDoresh]

This reminds me of some bizarre stuff I've read about in New York. Random eateries and bakeries would get exposure on TikTok, and suddenly they have to deal with a people willing to wait in line for _hours_ , or book a table at least a month in advance, just for the honor of being able to make a selfie proving they've been there.

[@thanatoast4389]

Who would have expected that this wasn’t the series to save D+?

[@Nevyn515]

I think they weren’t paying attention, and so they think they’re supposed to make scripts that would be graded D+ at the high school level.

[@gabrielboorom2683]

They should've thrown in She Hulk.

[@HowToChangeName]

Thats a million dollar idea right there, Im certain it just works

[@thanatoast4389]

@@gabrielboorom2683 hopefully they will.

[@Raddnedge]

"They look like influencers." Yeah, there some guys in school I suspected of being 'influencers'

[@Drosophilax]

MauLer's last sentence is 100% right!

[@benmiles00]

I think there are three distinctive possibilities here. 1. They were asked to dress flamboyantly by their agents. 2. They were dressed by the prop department or wardrobe department. 3. These clothes were the best they could find at the op shop or thrift store. Possibly all three of the above as some wardrobe departments do raid thrift stores for old clothes.

[@xipheonj]

It's cosplay, one is Matt Murdoch with the red glasses, one is Scarlet Witch (red cape). But yes, it all matches because the wardrobe department dressed them.

[@EvilDoresh]

@@xipheonj What orders did that department receive? "Dress them up like idiots"?

[@xipheonj]

@@EvilDoresh to answer the question seriously I'm guessing they were told to dress them in casual cosplay that looks like they used whatever clothes they could find. Then they got their civilian lawyer Daredevil outfit and based the rest around that style, with the trenchcoat and red glasses.

[@deathbb703]

In the comics she was the daughter of Taskmaster but Disney already ruined that character.

[@varionbrickel8709]

Fullmetal Alchemist is a good example of a character with substitute limbs. They regularly come into play throughout the series, between augmenting it into a weapon, playing off of it being heavier or lighter, issues with material and weather conditions, getting continually broken from use rendering him vulnerable. These are all good options that could be done with her leg but they're simply not creative writers.

[@kazghost]

Her name is ECHO and her ability is to MIMIC everyone's fighting style... She Echoes her opponents fighting style. and they took that ability away from her!?!?!?!?

[@guerreiroazul3230]

According to the writers that ability was "lame", which shows that they don't have a creative ounce in their bodies because the ability copy comes with the ability to predict your opponents actions and reactions, it's how Taskmaster and Echo herself are capable of keeping up with super-powered individuals in the comics, by setting traps and being very sneaky.

[@thelittlehobbit4698]

It's so clear that Daredevil can wipe the floor with Echo's face, it's ridiculous, you can see that even Charlie Cox can beat that actress if he really tried.

[@chasehedges6775]

Exactly. 👍💯

[@mitchryan257]

They had to change her powers in the MCU because she’s a female Taskmaster, but they made Taskmaster female in the MCU.

[@cejannuzi]

It's sad what they did with the Winter Soldier. Really sad. Started off really well in the second Captain America film (the spy thriller plot of which made almost no sense at all when you think about it). And they did nothing with it after that.

[@farharbor3178]

Echo is a non-meta powered, 5'8" human female who is deaf and has one leg .... and she is supposed to be a physical ass-kicker on par with Daredevil (and by association I guess ... Iron fist, electra, Kingpin, frank castle ... who else?). Is that really beyond the pale in a world with a blind lawyer who has mysterious super powers? For me.... yes. Yes it is way beyond the pale. The entire concept of this character is a bad joke.

[@thee_morpheus]

I think she held the I. Gauntlet as well

[@DuneStone6816]

They could have made her other leg out of vibranium or something, then she'd have an interested attribute and a leg-up in combat, but I already know they didn't think of that.

[@RRRRRRRRR33]

And the actress looks out of shape, just to complete the joke. But if she is channeling some kind of native american spiritual power, it means the character is magical, so that "justify" the silliness a little bit. I know comics are childish in nature, they are not supposed to be "realistic", blablabla but really, there has to be some doses of contextualization, how can you take a character like Batman seriously if he looks completely out of shape? But here we are, skinny Pattinson's Batman, that Nun in the Watchmen series, this Echo character, etc.. comics are already dumb in it's natural state, but these kind of depictions only make the media looks even more ridiculous

[@orcanimal]

It looks absolutely terrible. Worse than I thought it would

[@everworldjalil2165]

She moves so slow and he moves way faster despite having a constricting outfit.

[@propernoun1583]

I don't think Disney wants to say that despite being deaf and only having one leg that she's just as good a fighter as everyone else. I think they're going to say that being deaf makes her better than people who can hear, and being able to hear is the disadvantage. I do not agree with this, I'm just saying what I think some people believe.

[@EvilDoresh]

Down with the sound privilege.

[@clogs4956]

Being able to hear is now a privilege; grrl said it in an interview. We’re on our way to the dystopia of Harrison Bergeron…

[@propernoun1583]

@@clogs4956 I read that short story in middle school, and it's basically predicting the future. All that's left is a requirement for everyone to wear masks that make them blind and deaf.

[@william4996]

Isn't that why dare devil is a hero? His blindness makes him sense things, or something?

[@EvilDoresh]

@@william4996 He gets around his blindness by having his _remaining_ senses be enhanced to super-human levels.

[@Fulgrim2]

I know this is wildly off topic but those outfits the “superfans” were wearing…. I’d be embarrassed to be in the same room as them.

[@whoknew2273]

This makes Morphin Power Rangers look like the Raid 🤣

[@FTKLOwner]

Good point on having her prosthetic leg actually play into that fight scene. We used to have a saying when creating characters, back in the days of table top RPG games: "You don't get points for a limitation that isn't limiting." Daredevil should have known in the first few seconds of that fight that she had a prosthetic leg and used it to defeat her ... easily. He's done more with more capable fighters.

[@johnhodgdon2434]

The footage here is utter garbage, you actually watch as her knee pass right by his face and not connect. Did they even try?

[@Ravenscroft82]

What I find very sad is that at some point, there will be no one left alive that even remembers what good storytelling even is. This new methodology, that places message above basic narrative strengths, will be the "norm" and will be completely accepted. Thank heavens I'm old enough to remember, and that a few folks like Drinker keep the ideas alive. We need to appreciate them.

[@cameronparham9177]

If she can mimic all of her opponents’ powers, why can’t she mimic their ability to hear?

[@drdeesnutts48]

It's not mimicing powers it's mimicing moves, basically Taskmaster's thing.

[@robertlewis6915]

She's Taskmaster, not AMAZO.

[@HowToChangeName]

Or mimic other's ability to be expressive

[@clogs4956]

@@robertlewis6915but more AMAZING! And doesn’t suffer from Taskmaster’s short term memory problems, either.

[@kidcourage5777]

🤡

[@fyrfly8768]

When I look at this I just think of when Homelander clapped that blind kid and was like 'and now you have nothing' 😂

[@nicky611]

Me toooo! 😂😂

[@repapeti98]

Couple of thoughts: 1, I can imagine the scene from the Incredibles where Mr. Incredible is watching a video of how many of his friends the Omnidroid has killed. Except the heroes are Marvel characters and the droids are the screenwriters/directors. 2, The "fans" look like they were pulled straight from a Comic Con where they couldn't make proper costumes so they cosplayed as obscure indie characters with stuff they had in their closet.

[@bruhfvdf3145]

‘Draw upon the power of her Native American ancestors’ You can tell a white person wrote this

[@pilouuuu]

When you think they can't make any worse

[@Krysnha]

Something i learn about humans, is that you can always get worst

[@blacklivesorblackvotes2985]

That’s your fault for thinking that. Stop thinking that. It can ALWAYS get worse.

[@davidblue819]

These are Modern Audiences. I always wanted Hollywood to post official pictures of Modern Audiences online so that we could know what they are when they are not being empty theater seats, and now Hollywood has obliged.

[@TheSimpleMan454]

I kinda miss the days of Girl With the Dragon Tattoo, when Lisbeth gets knocked around in any fair fight with a man, but gets her own back with a nine iron to the back of the head. After every time she gets kicked in the mouth, she just cracks her neck and says "Try it again". Like, yeah it was brutal, but you saw the exact point where she would have the situation handled, lose control, wrestle herself back into an advantage, and come out of it bruised and battered, but victorious. And moreover, it was done sparingly. She wasn't constantly getting physical, so we see her getting smacked up an we feel it. Then she has to get out of it and we feel the stakes.

[@JiveTrkey]

They *are* using a stunt double for her, aren't they? It's why they're fighting in front of the backlit window. It's also the reason for the jump cut you call out so they can get the real actress back in for the close ups

[@I_D_I_0_T]

Yep. I'm surprised more people aren't talking about them switching out the actress with a stunt double who looks half the size of the actess.

[@stalhandske9649]

7:20-8:00 My grandfather lost his leg above knee at the age of 9 because of a knife wound (improper aftercare following a surgery) and as adult he not only took care of family farm with horses and later tractors, but also made side business as a taxi driver. My father told me that when he and his sisters were kids they used to race the distance from sauna back to house after bathing (about 120m, saunas used to be separate buildings in countryside) and grandpa, jumping with his only leg, would always win. And he was just a regular dude. So yeah, I'd say they certainly should have been able to make something out of a disability with a super hero.

[@natp8387]

Answer to Reaper: Matt has radar sense, he can 'see' physical objects and movement, as well as hear things like heart rate and so on. So if she sees something and tenses up, he can tell that instantly by hearing her heartbeat change. In the comics he is actually so good at this he can identify individuals by the sound of their heartbeat.

[@_XR40_]

1:58 "...where you have one person who's clearly way better and way faster than the other person, and they have to hold back and slow down so much..." That is one thing that has bugged me for years. First noticed it in a version of _The Man in the Iron Mask,_ where Patrick McGoohan had to pretend that Richard Chamberlain could use a sword. It was weird-looking in 1977, but has become so painfully common since....

[@vincentshadetree]

3:58 The group laughter says everything you need to know about this show lol

[@chasehedges6775]

The MCU is dead. Reduced to ashes.

[@ThirtytwoJ]

Id say Ironman did more damage than thanos.. but RDJ was prob the only real talent in the mix.

[@chasehedges6775]

@@ThirtytwoJ RDJ and Josh Brolin deserve better

[@DeathCluntch]

Yap they just burning the corpse

[@Ingel_Riday6690]

I love the chemistry you blokes all have with each other, and poor Gundam. I could feel his spirits sink as he heard about Echo's new power set. 😀 Seems to be the trend in media. "Oh, a character with American tribal ancestry? Better give 'em animal powers and/or ancestor-fueled magic. That'll work." So Prey has you communing with ancestors to enter the spirit realm and control an ethereal eagle. Assassin's Creed 3 has three DLC campaigns where you gain the power of your ancestors and use magical totem animal abilities. So on, so forth. Now this. Oi. Makes me glad I'm an Anglo-German Yankee. Every character roughly analogous to my mutt-mix isn't portrayed as pulling magical swords out of stones while slinging around mystical pretzel-rangs. "Yeehaw and huzzah, mein friends." Edit addition: oh, in case I seem totally random... ItsaGundam has Native American ancestry. Like, actual ancestry. Not "Ancestry . com tells me I'm 1/1024th Cherokee" Elizabeth Warren ancestry. I doubt he found Echo's new power set too amusing, haha.

[@tradissimuscrae2996]

I’m going to write a comic now about Johan Smith-Adams who becomes a super hero when the lady of the lake (Michigan) throws a sword at him and his battle cry is “yeehaw and huzzah, mein friends.” It’ll be brilliant.

[@cyrus2395]

​@@tradissimuscrae2996the Lady of the Lake Michigan 😂

[@marychocolatefairy]

Yeah, it's a whole TV Trope- Magical Native American in general, and Captain Ethnic for specifically superheroes, lol. In fact, Echo used to be held up as a positive example of a Native superhero whose powers had nothing to do with her ancestry. It's hilarious that they hired a Native showrunner to make her more "authentic", and yet she became more stereotypical! Also, it's not just the Native Americans, it's been noted that the MCU's been doing the ancestral power thing with a number of non-white/black superheroes- Namor, Shang Chi, and Ms Marvel.

[@GhostCrowBrother]

To be fair, I'd play the heck out of the game you just described.

[@TankHunter678]

@@tradissimuscrae2996 Is it going to be a gunblade because american lake spirit?

[@eddobh]

I've seen this fight already, so I went 3x speed at the bit to speed things a little. The fight still feels sluggish.

[@freakshowfilmfestival3591]

"CRIPPLE FIGHT!!"- Cartman

[@MrTobi013]

So...when. Marvel came up with her skillset...did they already forget about Taskmaster?

[@archmage_of_the_aether]

Her first fight was against Taskmaster, she echoed her power, it became a loop. Then their periods synchronized and everybody died

[@MrTobi013]

@@archmage_of_the_aether what?!🤨

[@archmage_of_the_aether]

@@MrTobi013 do I need to write in all caps for you to "hear" me?

[@blacklivesorblackvotes2985]

Nah they just gave her the same power set, without the short term memory loss of course. She also has Bullseye’s aim in the comics. Can make for some cool fights but can almost come off as “Mary Sue-ish” if you don’t know anything else about her.

[@vincentshadetree]

0:58 I keep wondering what happened with that leg in the air, did she pause for dramatic effect or were there some of those stunt strings tangled around her and she was trying to shake it off 😂

[@tacticalpossum7090]

Its hard for me to take a show seriously where the main charavter's weakness is "walk up behind them".

[@terranovacain284]

Reaper kills me! "How do you communicate with Matt? He can't see her sign language and she can't hear him". 😂

[@hobocaust3002]

Echo was an experience for me when I got introduced to her in the comics. She was a bad ass Ninja who you didn’t know was a women or deaf. And when you found out, it actually added more to her badass.

[@АлексейМомот-щ7о]

Don't lie, no one knows the character exists 😮 Even the writers said she was lame

[@hobocaust3002]

@@АлексейМомот-щ7о Ok…haha Well I remember it clearly when I was reading The New Avengers when it came out almost 20 years ago when this ninja who only listened to Captain America came into the scene. Secret Invasion was a very well done story but unfortunately we gotta deal with folks like you who only see the television show…so here we are, you calling me a liar for my personal experience with this character…sure buddy

[@kidcourage5777]

@@АлексейМомот-щ7оI did you fake ass comic book fan

[@RecluseBootsy]

A bad ass ninja that got stomped on by Namor, but some how "winning" the Phoenix MK rip off. 😂

[@Gunleaver]

The fight scene isn't like the tLJ throne room, or the Rosario Dawson/Hayden Christensen lightsaber duel, it's the scenes from the Obi Wan Kenobi show, where the three kidnappers are chasing Leia.

[@weARallDEVO]

What absolutely kills me is that Daredevil was the best thing Marvel ever did, and they have basically emasculated him because reasons.

[@EvilDoresh]

He might be blind, but he is still a _man_ , twisted and evil.

[@bobross1829]

When you are trying to describe a character and her powers and literally just listed them and that causes everyone to laugh harder than the actual jokes they were making? Priceless

[@ccfreakMetal]

Yay, Echo. Reshot, re tinkered and retrofitted, and also the whole character changed. 3 years too late. What could go wrong guys!? And remember in the fight scene, she is fighting a blind guy!

[@weARallDEVO]

I have been a Marvel fan since at least 1969, and Daredevil and Falcon were MY heroes. I mourn the abuse of my two ultimate heroes. Damn you Disney.

[@Theendman42]

That’s an interesting combination, what was Falcon like back then that you liked so much?

[@alexnejako777]

Echo is a really specific character who works better as part of an ensemble.

[@BernieTheBoxer]

In the Defenders' series he beat the crap out of as many men who could move and go toe-to-toe with the indestructible Luke Cage, the Immortal Iron Fist and the immortal Electra and took massive crap from Kingpin himself so a one-legged deaf person who isn't Asgardian is just two minutes from a monster ER visit followed by days in major facial reconstruction surgery

[@jrxtrc]

Why was Echo missing a leg???!!!! She never had a missing leg in the comicbook! Echo actually took up the Ronin mantle after Hawkeye gave it up and let her have it!!!

[@elperronimo]

✅ disabled

[@Сайтамен]

Because the actress is disabled. Btw, they cut the resolution between her and Hawkeye from his show...

[@jrxtrc]

@@Сайтамен That’s so dumb! Talk about diversity hiring! Leave it up to Disney have the established character fit the actor/actress instead of how it should be the other way around. What next? If Disney were going to make an Othello movie, the main actor would be wheelchair bound, Indian, and mute! Talk about a F U to fans. The comicbook version, the REAL version, was a deaf young Latin woman in her late teens early 20s who was extremely athletic and thin with the innate ability to copy anyone’s moves and fighting techniques by observation. What we got looks and acts nothing like the original version!

[@JamesBurrTV]

Double disabled! Double plus good!@@elperronimo

[@xipheonj]

One thing I'm confused that none of the guys picked up on is that the "fans" were in low budget costumes. The glaringly obvious two was one dressed as Matt Murdoch with the red glasses and the one with the red cape as Scarlet Witch. They all match the same style which means they didn't even do it themselves, the costume department dressed them.

[@АлексейМомот-щ7о]

Okay, can you name the character the green hair lady cosplays?

[@TheSchaef47]

Contrast this with Halle Berry, who at the age of 53 trained up to do her gun fu scenes in John Wick 3 while also working with the trained dogs.

[@ZeitgeistRuminator]

I'm sure I've seen a PR promo where someone states, "This show isn't about just checking boxes", then continues talking about the boxes that have been checked 😂😂😂

[@vjbd2757]

When you try to emulate Netflix Daredevil's fight scenes but you don't have any choreography skills...

[@DetroitAlan01]

I get the impression DD’s not fighting Echo so much as gauging her capabilities as a combatant. In other words, sizing her up before closing in for the kill.

[@smallcd]

Soooo...the MCU made Echo into BraveStarr...STRENGTH OF THE BEAR THE BEAR THE BEAR!!!

[@JamesBurrTV]

At this point I'm glad she's mute, otherwise these Woke racists would be making her say stuff like "This is heap big wumpum."

[@matthewrowe9903]

Hard core Henry did this bigger and better for a tiny pile of cash

[@JadeRunner]

"If her disability doesn't factor into the story in any way then why does she have it?" Hello, Fury Road...

[@juansolis4796]

She gained... a lot of weight.

[@Bones-hq2tg]

She didn't gain that much. *orchestra music with layered vocals* Right before you close your eyes, the only thing that's on your mind. You're dreaming that she feels it, too - YOU WONDER WHAT IT'S LIKE TO BE LOVED BY HER! YEEEAAAAHHH!

[@reginaphalange9417]

Jlongbone also made a video about the fight scene with pauses at every cringe moment and it's really obvious how the level of choregraphy has decreased since the original Netflix Darevevil show

[@DougVehovec]

I thought he was kidding about drawing on native ancestors LMAO

[@robocam0197]

They probably have an interpreter that can write down what Daredevil says so that Echo can read it, then can watch Echos sign language to tell Daredevil what Echo said????

[@justinrodriguez5957]

Not only does she look so much slower, she looks real out of shape for this kind of part. Why did they think this was a good idea besides the usual virtue signaling?

[@JamesBurrTV]

It shows a complete lack of regard from even the lead actress who is getting a break here. An A lister like Chris Evans gets in shape for rubbish like Thor L & T, but this unknown can't even be bothered to lay off the pies to play an action role for Disney +? If even the lead doesn't give a crap, why should we?

[@Gaiden-Shinji875]

For 17 years I've practiced martial arts, starting in my teens, practicing striking for self defense and sport, grappling with locks and restraints, breaking out of locks, throws etc. Primarily I stuck with Kickboxing and Jujutsu (not BJJ). I absolutely hate stage combat, the over the top tip-tap shit they do, constant high or jumping kicks, flailing arms when they're hit and knocked back, telegraphed hook punches that get blocked or avoided and the constant losing balance their attack misses. Not to mention that fights just keep going and going, they're constantly attacking and defending, but there's no "fear" of getting hit, no feints, no short combinations, no gradual fatigue/injuries, and for some reason everyone gets dirty rather than injured (and no swelling from an injury). To me these details just make fights look far too superficial, and actors aren't given enough martial arts training to be believable, and stunt doubles aren't being directed well enough. Giveme Scott Adkins, Cynthia Rothrock, Michael Jai White, Michelle Yeoh or Tony Jaa any day of the week. Mighty Morphin Power Rangers were better choreographed