Drinker's Chasers - Disney Star Wars Has Been Managed Into The Ground

[@rexlumontad5644]

Palpatine has won in the end because the Skywalker bloodline has been forever extinguished while his granddaughter Rey live on as his legacy and committed identity theft as a final insult.

[@Shockguey]

**ahem** _GOOD_ #EmpireDidNothingWrong

[@QuadZillaGodZillasbrother]

@@Shockguey it literally committed to Star Wars version of the holocaust. They definitely did a lot of shit wrong.

[@zeebooboo9663]

​@@Shockguey *Last Order technically. But it may as well be the Empire

[@TheTenaciousDog]

Just like how Lucas’s era is over and KK (palpatine) has taken over

[@sippinlosses]

Smh. Yup. Lucas's outline for the trilogy would've been better than this garbage

[@Sergeant_Camacho]

Sorry but the Force Awakens had a lot of RED FLAGS and fans that ignored them were just naive: 1- Rey being a mary sue (The Force Is Female) 2- Kylo Ren being an emasculated whining idiot and Rey a perfect woman. 3- Rehashing the plot of A New Hope (droid with secret plans, a forgotten jedi in a desert planet, a death star) 4- Jar Jar Abrams destroyed the New Republic for avoiding “boring politics”, so he had the perfect excuse to not explain anything. TFA was a lazy start and they blew it. Back then, people were blinded by cheap nostalgia, but the movie was terrible.

[@adriandenton6637]

I agree 100 percent.

[@LeeONardo]

I remember watching the film in the cinema and liking it but shortly after I felt a little odd with it. I actually randomly came across the WCB video review and it answered my questions on why it wasn't that good. Then I went and saw TLJ as a friends night out ... I was just baffled with it and from then on I utterly HATED it. Never saw Rise in the cinema, watched a "special" copy instead.

[@aldunlop4622]

I enjoyed it first time I saw it, because I was so hyped, but after a few hours all those things slowly dawned on me and I realised I had been duped.

[@narn3904]

@@LeeONardo I know exactly how you feel.

[@TKDBoy1889]

They had the advantage of a rehash being a "breath of fresh air" after the prequels and other recent movies. It's like Drinker said, you can look back on it and easily tell it's low-effort mediocrity but the studio had the advantage of perception when TFA came out. Ironically, I DO remember people having issue with Rey being a Mary Sue if TFA, particularly with how she just picked up a lightsaber for the first time and somehow beat an experienced force user trained by Luke. But a lot of people then just countered with "You're just sexist!"

[@DetectivePikachu37347]

The ego of Kathleen Kennedy is unreal, clearly Rey is insert character of herself. That why she getting another movie.

[@barnabusdoyle4930]

No, Rey was a female Luke Skywalker and Kennedy is wanting the fan base to love her creation like they loved Luke and Vader. They are wanting to make Rey into the master of the new Jedi order like Luke was in the expanded universe. Rey is a standin for a female Luke. Oddly, they could have just used Luke for this and the fan base would have loved it. They will use Rey and the fans will hate it

[@davidjacobs8558]

Fleebag in Inday 5 is also her self insert.

[@StrongandGrand]

@@barnabusdoyle4930 I would also say that if they didn't castrate Luke and made Rey earn her skill like Luke did, she'd have been much more liked. But... they chose another route.

[@Nier73h]

@@barnabusdoyle4930 Rey, Fleabag, Qi'ra and Jyn Erso are all brown hair white women who are mary sues not a coincidence. KK self insert characters.

[@davfree9732]

KK will be gone by the time Rey comes back. So perhaps these films could be pulled before they do more damage to the franchise.

[@fairwarning007]

At this point, I trust Disney handling Star Wars as much as I trust Alec Baldwin handling a gun.

[@Ryan-by8ui]

Much safer to go on a booze filled hunting trip with Baldwin and Cheney

[@arisaga822]

Lol. And speaking of the armourer, trust a diversity hire to mix live rounds with blanks. 😂

[@xitaris5981]

@@arisaga822 I thought that armorer was a nepotism hire. She was the daughter of a veteran Hollywood armorer, but was young (24?) and it was her first time being the head armorer

[@kevoreilly6557]

“Bang on”

[@proto-geek248]

Cuz Alec Baldwin is so deeply evil, that he loves nothing more than to shoot his friends, on set, in broad daylight.

[@Wheelie2077]

I remember watching the original trilogy as a kid. First movie desert planet, second movie ice planet, third movie jungle planet. Every movie added new scenarios, new characters, new empire weapons. Disney have no imagination or creativity.

[@harbl99]

Empire was ice planet, swamp planet, asteroid field, floating gas giant city in quick sucession. It was pure distilled golden age sword-and-planet scifi: wall-to-wall spectacle and wonder.

[@ALEXANDER1318]

It gets even better, with several new planets used for the two original trilogies: First movie: Desert planet (Tatooine) & Jungle planet (Javin IV) Second movie: Cloud planet (Bespin) & Swamp planet (Dagobah) & Snow planet (Hoth) Third movie: Forest planet (Endor) Fourth movie: City planet (Coruscant) & Venice planet (Naboo) Fifth movie: Water planet (Kamino) & Insect planet (Geonosis) Sixth movie: Lava planet (Mustafar) & Cavern planet (Utapau)

[@TI4438]

And Ben Burt gave us awesome new sound effects as well.

[@barnabusdoyle4930]

Disney’s movie had new hardware. Remember the bombers in The Last Jedi? They had to get directly over their target to drop bombs on it even though they were in space and could have just launched the bombs from far, far away. Or the speeders in RoS that had tank turrets on it even though the original speeders from RotJ flew off the ground and didn’t need any form of wheels. Disney added new stuff, just that the new stuff was far worse then the original stuff

[@MrX-zz2vk]

They're completely out of ideas, good ideas anyway, but just keep shamelessly cranking out 💩 anyway strictly for the 💰. Pure & simple.

[@shykorustotora]

Fun Fact: Daisy said in an interview that JJ for RoS was pretty much always surrounded by a minimum of 2 Disney Execs. They'd go home with him and come with him to set the next day with several new pages written. When she was asked "When did you find out Rey was Palpatine's granddaughter?" Daisy replied, "Premiere night. We had about 3 or 4 different 'movies' we shot and I didn't know which one they would end up with until premiere night." There's also an artbook that JJ had done up before he started RoS which had a French Revolution style battle on Coruscant for the final act with Fin leading an army of storm troopers who were throwing their white armor and helmets off. Actually looks pretty dope but thanks to several Disney Execs, of course none of that happened. Ever wondered why Rey and Kylo kiss at the end? Cus they did a take with them just hugging and one of the execs said "They should kiss." They filmed one take with the kiss and the exec said "Perfect, use that in the final!" and so that's what you got. Now imagine that for the entire f*cking movie

[@Sorain1]

I kind of hope JJ gets an author to interview him and write a book about the process of making RoS. Because that'd be fascinating to read. You know, like a detailed book on the mess at Fukushima Daiichi.

[@timothy790110]

that sounds cringe AF. why would they throw off their protection in the middle of a battle? to prove a point by dying?

[@shykorustotora]

@@timothy790110 You think Fin leading a French Revolution style last stand on Coruscant is more cringe than Rey and Kylo being soul sucked by Dementor Palpatine on Testicle?

[@youtubeviolatedme7123]

Considering that JJ Abrams acquiescing to Oscar Isaac's request for Poe Dameron was the main reason Poe survived through the beginning of TFA, I'm presuming that Abrams also wasn't very resistant (heh) towards the Disney executives either, though. That's why I still partially believe that Abrams is somewhat accountable for TLJ. I'm presuming that Rian Johnson asked him stuff like "hey, is it okay if I make Luke drink green alien milk?" and Abrams gave the green light for all of it. edit: I'm not sure how involved Lawrence Kasdan was involved with the making of RoS, but considering he wasn't credited, I'll presume his consultations were either insignificant or ignored.

[@danieljanecka9492]

I honestly hope they get to remake/reboot JJ's original vision back when he was a fond fan of Star Wars.

[@Shockguey]

4:00 I love Drinkers point here, and it deserves a play by play. 1. JJ Abrams makes a mystery box. 2. Rian Johnson opens said mystery box and takes a huge dump in it. 3. Rian hands it to you smiling, and as you open it, he wags his eyebrows, saying, "ehhh? What do you think? Genius, right?"

[@KingRumar]

JJ Abrams was executive producer for Last Jedi, he had a hand in how the movie went, was okay with Rian’s take and let it proceed. He saw the backlash and tried to capitalize on it. Don’t forget JJ was the guy who spent a lot of money bringing the cast out into a desert just to do green screens. Rian isn’t the only bad guy here and JJ deserves just as much hate

[@davidlacoste]

Not defending Ruin Johnson, but TBH, the mystery box handed to him was probably completely empty.

[@t3jf]

​@@KingRumarJJ created annoying Mary Sue Rey and just opened this feminist pandoras box that has just continued to infect starwars.

[@GeraltofRivia22]

JJ isn't innocent in this. He never actually puts anything in the mystery box ahead of time.

[@GeraltofRivia22]

@@t3jf exactly. Rey somehow knew how to fly a starship with zero experience, somehow knew how to fix the Millennium Falcon when Han and Chewie couldn't, somehow had huge amounts of control over the force with zero training, somehow knew how to use force mind control, somehow beat a trained force user in lightsaber combat etc. She was an insufferable Mary Sue from the very beginning.

[@michaelthomas5249]

Mark Hamill wasn't the only one who hated working on the last jedi. Tim rose who was admiral akbar actually went to his trailer and cried over how much they shit on his character and fucked up the story.

[@sophieamandaleitontoomey9343]

That’s actually really sad. ☹️

[@youtubevanced4900]

I think that story is made up. It's a copy of that story of some old actor doing a movie in front of a green screen, going to his trailer, and crying because real acting is dead.

[@therealdeal3866]

​@@youtubevanced4900 That "old actor" was Sir Ian McKellen and he was playing gandalf at the time.

[@youtubevanced4900]

@The Real Deal yeah that's the guy I'm thinking of.

[@garym6315]

Yeah true. It's sad that they are destroying iconic characters and the actors have to simply smile and promote their work. Look at Ewan when he talks about how his show was supposed to be Ben and Luke. Or Temuera when he talks about how Boba was mishandled. They sign their contracts and then get shafted when the rewrites come along.

[@robertbarga3694]

Remember The Simpson's scene where Homer tries to jump the Springfield Gorge, fails and hits every rock on the way down, has to be airlifted, all the while getting his head smashed against the cliff wall, then the ambulance he gets put into crashes and he rolls out and ends up doing it all over again? That's Disney Starwars...

[@Aristocles22]

It's that but four times (counting Solo too but not Rogue One or anything from Disney+). A MaRey Sue Palpatine spin-off would be the fifth.

[@jordandavies17]

Ain't that the truth

[@sergiogonzalesYT]

LOL yes!

[@Super_Ammo]

Exactly right

[@grantmiller6570]

hahahahahaha, it's funny coz it's true.

[@chrisgorman3917]

My understanding was Mark Hammill signed on thinking they were going to follow George's original plans and then by the time it came to make the movie everything had changed and he was trapped.

[@thatperformer3879]

That is complete bullshit. As an actor I know that scripts can change all the time, but there should very clearly be a rule in the contract: that an actor, especially a big name talent, only has to agree to stay on the project if the script remains at least 60% the same after rewrites, and I’m being generous here. To simply toss out the drafts of George Lucas and create their own dog crap, Mark should’ve been allowed to walk.

[@thatHARVguy]

The OT cast were signed on before Lucas sold Lucasfilm to Disney. George was 100% to blame for that dick move.

[@TKDBoy1889]

@@thatperformer3879 I agree, but that's not how Hollywood or most contract signings work. There ARE contractual conditions and obligations that can nullify a contract or allow a signee to go free, but one thing any big corporation is an expert at is writing the contract in a way that gives them as much power as legally possible while locking the other party under them.

[@FrankLucas-pw5hs]

Should've played the depression + mental health card

[@NathanCassidy721]

So I was building a new bookshelf and while I was going through my library I found a book called, “How Star Wars Conquered the Universe” by Chris Taylor. It was published around 2014 and let me read you a quote from it: “…future generations of fans will still be lining up outside cineplexes to see the adventures of future Solos and Skywalkers in 2115. If we’re going according to Disney’s current schedule, that’ll be Episode LXXXVII. For all we know, it will be screened as a giant IMAX hologram.” I have never laughed so hard in my life until I read the beginning of the next paragraph: “Sound ridiculous? Maybe it is.”

[@LucasBR702]

That is honestly sad

[@NathanCassidy721]

@@LucasBR702 Not really. It's more incredible if anything. Because even the most hardcore haters wouldn't believe how they screwed this up.

[@doublep1980]

Ikr? Disney could have milked the Star Wars franchise until kingdom come and make more money than Scrooge McDuck. All they had to do was: take some storylines & characters from the EU, add new stuff and voila, profit. Instead they screwed up so bad, it´s absolutely baffling.

[@NathanCassidy721]

@@doublep1980 "take some storylines & characters from the EU" You might want to eat those words considering the Asoka trailer.

[@secondsein7749]

​@@NathanCassidy721still not gonna do anything much. At this point people have noticed the pattern of bad shit, good stuff. Then when people thought they've changed and learned the lesson, they give bad shit again. Asoka might be good, but for how long? One or two episodes? One season? At this point, nothing can ever change until the higher ups at Disney and their entire woke writing team is out.

[@jarrettcranston2431]

Got asked to clean up a staff paper written by a general (my boss knew I was a history major). It was horrendous. Beyond awful. Told my boss I couldn’t do it, that the paper was fundamentally flawed and needed a major overhaul. I came with specific suggestions on how the subject could be tackled. Was told by the LCol, and I quote, “unacceptable. You never tell a general that he’s wrong.” It was in that moment I knew I was done with the military. Any leader who’s ego is so fragile they can’t broker dissent isn’t someone I’m willing to follow.

[@Spazza42]

100%. Any leader should be able to negotiate dissent and revolt, it’s the leader’s job to rally that confidence back or look at the plan again because they might have missed something. Sometimes people can be talked round by expertise but any leader should encourage being challenged, people need to voice their concerns and trust they’ll at least be listened to. The plan doesn’t always have to change, some people need to be enlightened or have things explained another way round. The whole “it’s my way or the highway” is just piss port leadership and our superiors seem to forget that’s why they exist - to lead. Not manage, supervise or boss - lead.

[@khronostheavenger8923]

What kind of paper was it that it needed a history major?

[@jarrettcranston2431]

@@khronostheavenger8923 squadron historical record from WWII to present day. Narratively it kept switching. Between a Tom Clancy/Macro presentation like his non-fiction work and Stephen Ambrose/micro narrative. When it wasn’t doing that, it was a collective circle jerk of all the squadron COs, mostly because it was a former CO writing the paper. To call it amateurish is an insult to grade school papers. My boss wanted it cleaned up so it could go on the squadron website. There was no saving it absent a major overhaul. Boss wanted me to overhaul it, but he only gave me 3 weeks to research, write and edit a brand new paper (40+ pages in length). I ran it through spell check and called it a day.

[@2012sonora]

That was what did it for you? Generals invariably come in two flavors; cool and charismatic, or complete a-holes. But they’re all politicians; even the ones who don’t natively have egos can’t afford to ever look wrong. However, the bigger issue are the O-5s who still have hope of making O-6. You put a LtCol under a general and they ALL freak out. I’ve seen multiple situations where the general was cool as hell and very understanding, but the LtCols underneath him were the ones constantly panicking, blocking, butt-kissing, and so on. I spent about a year working Command Center as a captain. At least once a month, I was on the phone with one of our bases fighting with the base commanders who always approved terrible reports from his people. He straight up told me one time “I approved this so it’s perfect.” Then maybe your people should run it through spell check and get rid of the red wavy lines. There are a lot of bad senior officers. I’ve worked for plenty. But Holdo is still in another plane of reality.

[@Gorgon9090]

The saddest thing is knowing what this franchise could have been if it was in the right hands. To be this incompetent in handling this IP is truly devasting.

[@RCLIM-yx8gv]

It's so ridiculous that it's hilarious, and that's just pathetic. Great job Disney → Calf-leen Kennedy → J.okin' J.ester Abrams (and, of course, Roundhead Johnson) Mark Hamill bless his soul, warned people.

[@gregory4154]

It feels like the story line is so ruined, there's nothing left to salvage. I don't think it can ever be brought back correctly, at least in these generations.

[@theinnerlight8016]

Not everything needs to be a franchise. A good ending goes a long way, just look at LOTR...

[@hectorzero8545]

​@@theinnerlight8016 of course but if you DID have to make a franchise, don't make a terrible one

[@kevoreilly6557]

To be this “intentional” is disgusting

[@Arthas30000]

KK, JJ, and RJ ruined SWs. -KK mismanaged it and went "girl power!" -JJ had no plan and went "mystery box!!!" Which would've been fine with a plan tbh, and answers to the questions. Especially if there was a single director in charge of running the whole trilogy. -RJ, as another comment points out, took the mystery box, shat in it, opened it up and showed it to everyone to subvert expectations. Which, again, could have been fine if they took some of their creative ideas and ran with them. Instead, in movie 2/3 you end up with legacy characters in the dumpster, a failed send off to a dead Carrie Fisher, the most illogical character ever which is commander Holdo, tons of political messages, attacks on fans, and no big bads, period.

[@youtubeviolatedme7123]

Kathleen Kennedy's biggest sin was backstabbing George Lucas. George Lucas gave his ideas to Michael Arndt, and trusted Arndt to make a fantastic script for TFA. But fantastic scripts take a lot of time, and the Disney executives wanted to rush out a movie by 2015. George Lucas put KK in charge of Lucasfilm so that she could buy more time for Arndt to put together a script. It took a team of writers, of which Michael Arndt was the head writer, SEVERAL YEARS just to put together a script for Toy Story 3, a sequel to two prior movies. If Michael Arndt is more or less working alone for TFA, and he has to create a script for a sequel to SIX prior movies, of course it's going to take him a lot of time to write that script. And it's not like Michael Arndt is a slow writer. He cranked out the first draft for Little Miss Sunshine in a weekend. The rewrites, revision, and editing is where the bulk of his time goes. Arndt just really cares about crafting a quality product, and it truly shows, because all of his scripts demonstrate an outstanding amount of effort and care. Instead, KK decided to advocate for JJ Abrams to become the director, and Abrams decided to take Michael Arndt's script and rewrite the whole thing all over in two months with Lawrence Kasdan. Michael Arndt gets a cursory a nod of respect at the end credits of TFA, despite the fact that his mark on the actual final product was negligible. Keep in mind that JJ had been approached SEVERAL TIMES to become director, and he straight up refused SEVERAL TIMES to become the director, so KK must have really been pushing for him to be the director, despite her knowing perfectly well that it was not what George Lucas wanted. George Lucas just wanted his ideas to be in the new movies, but didn't want to do the tedious part of producing everything. It all could have all worked out just fine, if KK simply didn't stab George Lucas in the back.

[@Arthas30000]

@@youtubeviolatedme7123 Yeah, very true. I can't believe how KK behaved towards Lucas. He didn't deserve it

[@staceya5149]

The problem is, was, and always will be the Lucasfilm story group. Storytelling by committee doesn't work, even if they had genuinely talented writers as opposed to the hacks and activists currently cluttering up Lucasfilm.

[@deeta000]

I thought the story group from the pre Disney days was about continuity rather than actually writing stories.

[@samblack5313]

There needs to be one driving force with a vision behind a story. It’s ok to collaborate with others about YOUR project, but if you are creating a piece of art you need ultimate control. Nobody working there even understands what an artist is. Inspiration doesn’t run on a 9-5 work day. You don’t decide to be inspired on a schedule. They’re approaching creative writing like you would write a newspaper article.

[@maniacaldude]

I once had a friend define modern Star Wars as "filmmaking by committee", so you're not far off from what he suggested.

[@GrandAdmiralFart]

They barely listen to the story group. At first they tried to keep stuff together with the release of the novels and have some synergy with the films with stuff like Catalyst (which is amazing) and Palatine's plan in Jakku, but then the higher ups told the movie directors to just do whatever they wanted ignoring (among many other things) what the story group had in mind

[@mxvega1097]

I've heard Jar Jar and Ruin talk about the sequels and they don't sound especially beholden to the story group. So what, exactly, does the story group get paid for? There's like a dozen people throwing crap at a whiteboard and marking up stories and scripts. But for what? It just seems like adult daycare for fanfic typists.

[@Nickle_King]

For claiming to want to "inspire women," KK really does fit into the Lying Harlot archetype.

[@mikeog2617]

She can't even tell the difference between a woman and a tree lol she can't even inspire a bank director on Monday morning

[@MK_ULTRA420]

The "Boss Babe" is really just the Lying Harlot who has enough money and/or status to get away with it. It can be subverted by making her a lesbian but that's been overdone too.

[@portalmanHUN]

I don't know a single woman who enjoys this shit

[@youtubeviolatedme7123]

Inspiring women to jump off a bridge, perhaps.

[@katiethemage]

What's tragic is that Star Wars had such a wealth of creative and fascinating ideas in the video games and books which were completely thrown out the window. Some of the video game storylines and characters are arguably better than anything seen in the films.

[@Nier73h]

EA Jedi Fallen Order has a better story and characters than all of Disney Star Wars sad times.

[@katiethemage]

@@Nier73h right! It's one of my favorite games of all time. I'm so excited for Survivor. More excited than I ever was about any of the Disney films or streaming shows.

[@dariuswilliams7509]

Cough Star wars cough the old republic cough cough 😂😂

[@katiethemage]

@@dariuswilliams7509 cough cough kotor 1 & 2

[@throwdown1776]

"HK-47s guide to culling magical meatbags ft. Atton the meatbag"

[@Soundtracks92]

Disney Star Wars makes the prequels look like masterpieces

[@adriandenton6637]

I used to like them..Now I treasure them with all my heart.

[@Soundtracks92]

@@adriandenton6637 Saame. The prequels are awesome

[@dcmastermindfirst9418]

The prequels were excellent

[@thatperformer3879]

Revenge of The Sith is such a good allegory for the Western tyranny our nations are experiencing right now.

[@MaxLittleBuddy]

Still a masterpiece without comparing. They have the best lightsaber fights.

[@rexlumontad5644]

Kathleen Kennedy: *announces Rey Palpatine spin off* Everyone: "Is this an out of season April Fool's joke?"

[@Lawrence_Talbot]

Not everyone. Go to Stupendous Wave or Star Wars Theory or Geetsly’s or other big Star Wars channels. The simps are eating this up. That’s who still watches this garbage, idiots just happy to have anything with *Star Wars* slapped on it

[@greatexkaiser1035]

Kathleen Kennedy: "Uh... no, it's um, a fully fledged Rey spinoff movie which everyone will get to see, and hopefully bring new fans in."

[@leenux2k]

Kathleen Kennedy: "Don't you guys like Star Wars?"

[@NikaiX2]

@@greatexkaiser1035 New fans: ...We pass.

[@christopherwebb3517]

Kathleen Kennedy: "You could film a steaming pile of crap, slap the Star Wars label on it, and it'll still make billions.... And I aim to prove it!"

[@ericchung3177]

The only version of the script where Luke didn’t overshadow all the new characters was the version where he had less than 10 seconds of screen time at the very end and no dialogue. Says a lot.

[@ForgottenHonor0]

Disney has been extraordinarily lucky in that they got their hands on not one but two golden geese in Marvel and Star Wars. And they've proceeded to slaughter them, pluck them, roast them, and serve them back to us with baked apples in their mouths. The only thing that's missing is Mickey Mouse saying, "Bon appetit! Haha!"

[@mburland]

You forgot Pixar before that.

[@leonreborn1308]

Marvel? What you're smoking dude? Excluding 1/3 movies the MCU has been a complete slam dunk, Star Wars is the one Disney didn't know how to handle, but trying to act like Marvel hasn't been in the top of the industry for more than 10 years and that Disney ruined it is retarded as fuck.

[@ForgottenHonor0]

@@mburland I keep forgetting that Pixar started out as a separate company.

[@mburland]

@@ForgottenHonor0 funnily enough, they started off as part of Lucasfilm / ILM!

[@lord6617]

What is with all this "wondering" about Mark Hamill in the sequel Trilogy? He's stated, in interviews, that he fundamentally could not reason that Luke Skywalker would act this way, so he had to think of the character as Bob Skywalker, someone completely different.

[@innosam123]

*Jake Skywalker.

[@YesTHATJohnSmith]

"Same difference." --- Gosalyn W. Mallard.

[@gbrow1604]

If you look at the big picture, Disney is basically taking what should have been Luke’s story (rebuilding the Jedi Order), tore down the character, and is giving that story to Rey.

[@anthonygoldsby87]

Maybe, George Lucas wanted it to be about Leia. Doesn't matter, the future is a dumpster fire.

[@Aristocles22]

@@anthonygoldsby87 They disrespected Leia. As far as I'm concerned, Leia wasn't in the "sequels." That was Carrie Poppins.

[@drumjedi5301]

THIS. @#$&ing THIS.

[@atomicdancer]

@@Aristocles22 It's good to know that Leia, too, was ultimately a failure in her later years - as a leader, a politician, a wife, and as a mother. Thanks, Disney Star Wars! 👍

[@Aristocles22]

@@atomicdancer She led the Resistance to near-destruction and things only improved after her death, she became estranged from her husband, her son became evil, and her entire life was spent fighting a futile battle against either the Empire or the Empire-but-it's-not-called-that. Erase the "sequels." Carrie Fisher was disrespected by her being in them. Star Wars cannot survive with them in canon. There's a growing realization that those movies are a dead end and the franchise needs to remove them to go forward. They're rubble blocking the road.

[@nickm2483]

Remember that old Simpsons episode where they introduce the character ‘Poochie’ into Itchy and Scratchy. The head of the company tells his writing team that Itchy and Scratchy needs a new character and tells the team to create something like a dog named Poochie - but something better and more imaginative than that. Then the second he leaves the room his team all just agree to use the Poochie idea. That’s how I imagine the idea to resurrect Palpatine happened with RoS.

[@LeeONardo]

Poochie is damn legendary lol

[@Pyrate_Of_Las_Vegas]

What's really sad is that Kathleen Kennedy actually thinks she is doing a good job and making Star Wars better. She's completely incapable of seeing the damage she has done.

[@TheAmbientMage]

She doesn't see it as damage. She considers the fan base to be old and not worth her time. She's trying to build a new fan base from scratch out of the wokes. The damage is intentional.

[@notbloodylikely4817]

I don't even think she's interested in any fanbase. Her politics are her priority. So long as she gets them on screen she considers it a success. I imagine she thinks of herself as a genius unappreciated in her own time and envisions her films being worshipped by some woke civilisation 50 years from now.

[@whenpigsfly8178]

She just wants accolades in her lifetime as well as her $30 million and to be taken seriously for a legacy. That's what drives people in her position, besides her barely disguised resentment of her betters.

[@Aristocles22]

Her ego will never allow her to think she's ever made so much as one error.

[@The_Rude_French_Canadian]

She does exactly what she was hired for…bring Star Wars to a generation of shallow activists…

[@eternalhalloween1]

In the words of you Mr. Critical Drinker: "I'm giving STAR WARS exactly what it deserves now. Complete f.....king indifference."

[@nerdvananorth2905]

I find solace in the fact that best girl Mara can never be ruined by these clowns, because to them she never existed in the first place. Cheers After Hours squad!

[@DeetotheDubs]

I'm also glad they can't botch the Vong invasion. They lack the talent to give any of the EU the adaptation it deserves.

[@naverthis7552]

My favourite character overall is thrawn, in the old books and the new ones...... now i just heard that he will play a more prominent role in the movies to come. I'm scared, dont ruin thrawn for me disney :(

[@superjlk_9538]

They just might after all actually. If she’s introduced, she’ll have to be killed off before Luke can marry her

[@LucasBR702]

@@naverthis7552 they already did in Rebels

[@amsro9094]

I think I spotted her in the asoka tv series trailer. I hope I'm wrong.

[@RJALEXANDER777]

Disparu was dead on about the Hollywood culture, how directors/producers need people to stand up to them in order to create good movies. A New Hope would've been a disaster if Lucas had been left to his own devices and surrounded by yes men, it was down to people like his wife and others being willing to tell him that certain things sucked and were responsible for transforming his wild ideas into something that would become a revolutionary piece of cinema.

[@MK_ULTRA420]

It's not even that. What was once art has turned into content. Disney doesn't care about making timeless classics anymore, they just want to sell merchandise and monetized entertainment.

[@GeraltofRivia22]

That's why the prequels turned out like they did. George had too much control and yes men around him.

[@theunknowncommenter725]

​​@@GeraltofRivia22 no, he had a co-operative team that was willing to do anything he wanted. There were suggestions and back-and-forth exchange between them. If you watch any the behind-the-scenes footage would have known that. Differences between the two trilogies, George Lucas was not a big name and had to fight to earn respect during the original trilogy, while George Lucas had the unquestioned respect in the prequel trilogy. Being surrounded by yes men, is not the insult you think it is. Who wants to be surrounded by a team that questions and fight your every decision at every turn?

[@ninak.5283]

Rey is KK's avatar. As long as KK holds the Mouse by its little balls and no one dares to fire her, we get Rey being the bestest evah evah.

[@thatHARVguy]

@@zogwort1522 Rey Palpatine. Jyn Erso. Qi'ra. White brunettes with British accents. Looks like a self-insert(s) to me.

[@morgant.dulaman8733]

What scares me is that a lot of people still don't get that Disney wants this agenda as much as KK. After all, we see the same wokeness seep into every property they own whether she's involved or not.

[@wumpusrat]

I remember seeing an interview with someone while they were walking through Lucasfilm, and you could see the various cubicles of the writers and such. In a few of them there were pictures of Luke Skywalker with a giant red X through his face to cross him out.

[@digenesakritas1107]

They hate Luke with a passion! Pablo Hidalgo a Lucasfilm employee made fun of SW Theory for shedding a tear over Luke Skywalker's return in the Mandalorian. Disney is an agenda driven company that doesn't respect the original characters or the fans.

[@coath514]

So they're taking Luke's story that we never got to see about him restoring the Jedi and giving it to rey because they wrote him as an utter failure

[@JonathanSirico]

Asoka is going to be the lead in Heir to the Empire now too. Luke just keeps getting the shaft.

[@drlca6601]

@The Cambot To me an amended version of JKA and hypothetical sequels to that storyline, probably with an evil Jaden Korr by Ep. II and a badass Katarn throughout would have been the ideal choice. That's some universe somewhere, where they actually got to see that come to fruition, with the Praxeum put to film and heroic Luke absolutely flexing on people. Basically Hogwarts meets Star Wars in the first film, and from there the sky is the limit. We may not be in the worst timeline, but a timeline where the Star Wars sequels were squandered is definitely a lost cause... Well maybe one day we can reboot the sequel series and retcon the 2015 film, but for now... depression.

[@Ruthless_Regg]

That was the most baffling decision. Why would you make people's childhood hero Luke a terrible teacher? Why?! What do you gain?

[@richierich8555]

@@Ruthless_Regg Rey looks better by comparison.

[@steffighter144]

Exactly. Jedi knight outcast is my canon now

[@thelaw6267]

"Darth Kennedy has just confirmed the worst... somehow MaRey Sue Palpatine has returned..."

[@perrywinkle5000]

I honestly feel bad for George Lucas. He has to be regretting his decision. The 4 billion just wasn't worth it.

[@theelder4797]

For real, like he needed that money.

[@shadowpoetrk]

Um for 4 billion KK could have but sodomized me in 4k on movie theaters and it would be worth it. 4 billion buys a lot of ice packs.

[@darthgamer9861]

does everyone always conveniently forget he didnt keep a dime of that money? he gave it all to charity

[@MrThebigcheese75]

Maybe he has some regrets but if anything these new films are making his look better, even the prequels.

[@russ254]

he could buy it back for a sandwich and a large soda

[@bozackdakilla7846]

What everyone seems to be missing is, the WRITERS think this stuff is GREAT! THEY don’t think all this garbage sucks which is why they don’t learn from their “mistakes”. They just think the FANS are wrong.

[@gregorysteimel5165]

You don't appreciate my art and my vision!

[@greenfamily342]

And for some astounding reason the Disney execs don't throw kk and co. out of the company they killed and rewrite thier wrong. They're like "fuck it, we've lost billions already. Might as well lose some more in kk's retirement tour." She clearly has major dirt on somebody extremely important who's allowing this shit show to continue. While the fans are screaming to reboot or have Tony Stark go back in time and eliminate kk's trilogy altogether and set things right this bitch gets to lay one more rotten egg before she rides off into the sunset. I can't think of any other business model that continues to lose billions and rewards failure with the opportunity to continue to lose billions like Disney does except maybe the US government. It's very telling that they've not only have done this with Star Wars but Marvel as well that it's clearly the company as a whole that's to blame for this debacle.

[@juanchopmackstack9178]

I can’t believe after everything, they decided the answer was a REY MOVIE WHAT????

[@MikeMohamed]

George Lucas gave us six films about the Rise and Fall of Anakin Skywalker, who's soul was finally saved in the end by his own son. It's a story about family, a criticism of the American republic, it's steeped in mysticism and follows a classic hero's journey. This is why those six films still mean so much to people. That's why people still watch those six films from beginning to end, or just rewatch the original trilogy. These films stand the test of time. I don't even know what Disney Star Wars is about. It doesn't seem to be some criticism of American or Western society. It doesn't seem to be about family. It doesn't seem particularly mystic either. And because I don't understand what it's really about, besides being a manufactured product, I don't desire to keep watching it. And I truly doubt any of it will stand the test of time.

[@ItsaKindOfMagic86]

the purpose is to murder the icons and myths of american culture

[@avengemybreath3084]

It’s about how straight white men are evil oppressors and never heroes, and must always be humiliated, and how women and POCs are perfect and must replace them as much as possible. Basically the ideology of the regime in the US.

[@darthportus]

The political system of Galactic Republic was more like the Germany then USA.

[@scubasteves3214]

The Star Wars prequels were a masterpiece compared to the Disney films

[@TheAmbientMage]

The worst thing about the prequels was the dialog and a few elements that didn't make sense or weren't executed well. As political dramas, they're generally good movies.

[@whenpigsfly8178]

Sadly so.

[@kingleech16]

Masterpiece may be overselling it a bit, but they sure do seem a lot more competent.

[@steffighter144]

​@@kingleech16 it was full of new ideas whereas the new star wars lacks any new ideas

[@kingleech16]

​@@steffighter144 It's the difference between getting itchy, poorly fitting socks for Christmas, versus someone burning down your house on Christmas morning.

[@freakshowfilmfestival3591]

Not to mention Mark Hamill and George Lucas had lunch together where George laid it out to Mark. Mark has told the story in interviews.

[@theshadowman1398]

Announcing a new movie with Rey can't be seen anything else as just trolling on Disney's dime.

[@zacharymcmillan2788]

"He gets a free ride on my dime!" - Robin Williams - 'Death To Smoochy'

[@NathanCassidy721]

No it isn’t. Because the people working on Disney SW cannot meme or make jokes. It’s just malicious.

[@lordadorable1140]

If they can’t have Star Wars, NO ONE CAN!!😈

[@donkeysaurusrex7881]

If the fans are smart they will judo this onto Disney by demanding “Justice for Finn” who has the benefit of being the one character that was somewhat fleshed out in those and was pushed to the side and already has an actor airing some of his grievances about how he and the character were treated.

[@hammyhamster8349]

Trolling is exactly what KK's doing now & Disney are enabling her.

[@TheFirehands150]

Dude, I am more excited seeing Tyrone in these collabs than I am for new Disney material lol

[@tremere3337]

Hope is dead. It would take a crime commited, not that I condone it, to rid us of these people.

[@Ladykyra101]

"The illusion of intelligence." 🤣 Drinker, I'm gonna use that! 😂

[@toplow9278]

Disney Star War is non-canon Edit: We keep clone wars, rogue one and mando S1 Edit 2: And Andor

[@ForgottenHonor0]

This.

[@bunberrier]

They say about movies that it is required to "suspend disbelief". I could easily ignore all of Disney Star Wars and enjoy future SW movies if another producer continued the franchise in a legit way.

[@SkintSNIPER262]

As well as the Filoni garbage pre-Disney

[@iNeedaBreakdown]

Amen.

[@sippinlosses]

Just like Boruto

[@kieraneric2549]

Mauler said, “did we end up in the worst timeline?” 😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@ItsaKindOfMagic86]

9 years late to be asking that

[@rexlumontad5644]

Critical Drinker and The Boys: "Do you seriously believe your own hype that much?" Kathleen Kennedy: *"I AM THE HYPE!!!"*

[@AngryGoats555]

DBZA reference in something that has nothing to do with it is cringe. Stop it

[@szeltovivarsydroxan9944]

@@AngryGoats555 It's a Star Wars prequel reference, you weeb.

[@joeghurt9126]

@@AngryGoats555 must be nice in that glass house of yours.

[@agustintorres4608]

​@@AngryGoats555Ohh do you need a hug, maybe some tissues for your sensitive feelings.

[@stevengreene7389]

Hisssssssss

[@metalslave199]

You guys have no clue how much I enjoy your group discussions. 💪

[@GageTrue]

Love that you got Tyrone in the chat love watching his reactions to your videos 😂

[@sneeson]

From what I've heard, Mark Hamill may have signed on before he read TFA script. Possibly he heard story pitches, I've even heard he read a different script that got thrown out, written by Michael Arndt. Before TLJ, everyone I know assumed that the return of Luke was a complete no-brainer. No one knew about "subverting expectations" yet. I have no doubt he signed on expecting to play a returning hero.

[@ProjectCambrian]

I got so pissed at today's news from Celebration that I fired off an Angry email to Trian Group and Peltz "What's the Point of you?!"

[@md_vandenberg]

Just this morning, a couple friends were talking about how they would be at the theater opening night for the new Rey movie, even after admitting they thought the Rey trilogy was subpar. What mental disorder must one suffer from to throw your money at something terrible? It's not even a guilty pleasure, they actually believe Rey to be a good character.

[@ItsaKindOfMagic86]

they are consumers bruh they are so bored or their lives are empty that they are thirsty for low standard slop that hollywoke dish out look at all the simping for Andor ffs

[@captain-brickhead8317]

Seeing the new Ahsoka trailer gave me major M-SHE-U vibes…

[@Spazza42]

Mark Hamill is an intelligent man and understands his characters on a personal level, he absolutely didn’t need to do another Star Wars. He doesn’t need the money, he came back out of joy and love for the character and clearly wasn’t happy with the finished product. Actors never know what the final piece will look like until it’s out, especially when studios record multiple scenes that never end up in the movie and several different endings.

[@Rattled76]

The reason none of it works is because you don’t have true screenwriters and directors you have activists and that’s it.

[@S2GUnit]

Yes!

[@nigelw7626]

Agreed - to prove the point look at Andor - Non Woke producer - and a masterpiece

[@S2GUnit]

@@nigelw7626 haven't watched it but I will

[@nigelw7626]

@@S2GUnit It's the best series in the Star Wars Universe by a massive margin, better than the films I would say - defo worth a watch.

[@somethingboss]

Tyrone is always a great addition to the panel. Should have him on more often 👍🏼

[@portalmanHUN]

If his every second sentence wasn't "know what I mean" that would be great.

[@eviljoshy3402]

I am convinced that KK is deliberately driving the brand into the ground. She must have some serious dirt on Disney higher ups to have kept her job this long.

[@M-S_4321]

KK is an ist•rider

[@matrix3509]

Considering how many Disney employees are arrested for child molestation yearly, its not hard to guess what kind of dirt it is.

[@bwill887]

The problem is that incompetence and hubris can look like maliciousness. I think the creative team at Disney Star Wars wanted to tell their story with the built in fan base of the franchise, using it to launch their story and franchise while never paying attention to the loyalty of those fans. In order to launch their stories, they went out of their way to get rid of the old characters. I personally blame Johnson for the treatment of Luke and that did seem malicious on the part of the director and screenwriter, who clearly did not understand their character, but the executive intent was to clearly push out the old leads to make way for the new leads and the stories they could push. I really don't think it is malicious intentionally, rather it is lazy and is malicious as a result. As for the sequel trilogy, it is on Johnson, as he intentionally broke every thread established in The Force Awakens while not really creating any of his own, while destroying franchise favorite characters.

[@TheAmbientMage]

She is deliberately driving the brand into the ground. She believed she could cast away all of what Star Wars was and recreate it in her image. That's the point of the line "Eliminate the past. Kill it if you have to." and the point of those "the force is female" shirts she likes to wear. She slaughtered the franchise on purpose and is trying to resurrect it as her golem. She's basically a necromancer. And she doesn't need dirt. She's Hollywood royalty. She's been around for decades and has amassed a great deal of power. She will be there until she decides she's done. If Lucasfilm went bankrupt I'd guarantee she'd still not get fired.

[@eviljoshy3402]

@@TheAmbientMage "Without respect, we reject" >.>

[@Lord_Yeetis]

What makes it apparent that Star Wars is a shell of its former self is that in any other timeline, I'd be through the roof for Ahsoka, but instead, I'm both tired and scared for it.

[@Lisa45423]

It breaks my heart what Disney done to this beloved franchise.

[@KingRumar]

Not just Disney, these ideologues in Hollywood allowed to run the show is where the main issue lies as well. Think of them as parasites, they will latch on to any IP with substance and drain it for all it’s worth before moving on to another or fall off dead. They already dove into Tolkien’s work and we saw they fell off squirming in agony before their precious child dies into obscurity. MTG and other tabletop is suffering a slow death by parasitic disease and has been for 15-20 years. The parasite is trying to push it toward the ledge so it can get as much as it can before it finally collapses for good. Video games are also suffering and has been for the last 10 years to greed of the corporate parasite and the ideological parasites. Call them for what they are. No more than parasites ruining a good thing. Gate keeping isn’t a bad idea when you have trash like this infiltrating each IP

[@TrueAbs0luti0n]

I said this in another video about the subject Disney spent an absurd amount of money to purchase one of the best story-world franchises in history, built a theme park for it, then proceeded to make sure no one would ever want to go to it.

[@MikesGearGarage]

Disney SW is a necrotic franchise. The next spin off Walking Dead series will just be a live stream of Disney HQ

[@nathonso_edits]

How they didn't have a plan for a whole trilogy is the thing I'll never understand, like they dropped how many billions on buying star wars, then threw out all the extended universe ideas, threw out lucas' ideas, then went right we'll get a diffrent director on each of these and just see how it goes

[@rexlumontad5644]

The old man with a red lightsaber whom Ahsoka clashed blades with must be Joruus C'baoth - an insane Dark Jedi who played an important role in Grand Admiral Thrawn's campaign in EU Legends.

[@Miller54K]

That's an orange saber, not red. Looked very out of place.

[@donkeysaurusrex7881]

It is just the EU. And sadly probably not Filoni has already put a bastardized Thrawn in his cartoons so we’re not like to ever get Heir to the Empire on screen.

[@digenesakritas1107]

He is but the decided to call him Baylon instead of Joruus C'Baoth

[@Do_not_at_me_bro]

​@@donkeysaurusrex7881 you can find a fan animation with voice acting on heir to the empire part one, it runs for about 100 minutes

[@Cornel101]

Regarding Luke essentially stealing the show in early drafts, I say this: If an old established character is taking attention away from the new characters, that means your new characters SUCK!!

[@walter_the_wobot2349]

So who’s looking forward to the further adventures of Rey Palpatine?

[@adriandenton6637]

They'll just keep going relentlessly till the OT fans just die off.

[@whenpigsfly8178]

Me. I'll gladly look at another trainwreck at a safe distance from the cinemas. I'll just watch Drinker's review on it.

[@digenesakritas1107]

Hard Pass!

[@Rtw941]

Disney's good at saying you're taking too much attention from their main character. When my uncle dressed up as goofy he used to ride around the park on a skateboard he started getting more attention than Mickey so he wasn't allowed to play on the skateboard anymore.

[@ItsaKindOfMagic86]

they also werent going to allow the film Who Framed Roger Rabbit has a cameo of Mickey if Bugs Bunny had a second more screen time than the Mouse

[@FTChomp9980]

George Lucas handed the keys to his car Star Wars to Kathleen Kennedy and Bob Igor then Kathleen Kennedy took the car destroyed it ran it into the ground the windows are broken,seats are missing patches,tires popped,headlight doesn't work,and car is wrecked then Bob Igor took the broken car took it to a garage dump and have it crushed and destroyed.

[@matthewgaudet4064]

Kathy Kennedy said its not like Harry Potter or Marvel we don't have books comics or novels to use as a basis. We have no source material. Despite the fact Lucas left them a detailed outline for 7-9, and the entire Expanded Universe of video games, comics and novels.

[@MK_ULTRA420]

@Generaal That's probably why they want the Japanese versions 🤣

[@johnlocke4715]

I love visceral Star Wars analogies. When I saw episode 7 and 8 I compared it to my childhood best friend having his throat slit by a serial killer and left in a dumpster to rot, only for them to pull his corpse out of the bin and be turned into a human puppet and everyone pretends it’s the same person.

[@thatperformer3879]

@@dougcrane8031 How would you know that when Disney trashed the drafts, never to be seen by anyone?

[@Do_not_at_me_bro]

​@@matthewgaudet4064 kk decanonises the EU and rejects 7-9 also kk : We HaVe No SoUrCe MaTeRiAl 👁️ 👄 👁️

[@cmedtheuniverseofcmed8775]

Fans: "So, these upcoming movies. What's it about?" Kathleen Kennedy: "Umm.....Rey opens a daycare for Jedi." Fans: "And?" Kathleen Kennedy: "That's it. Whole trilogy planned. It'll be exciting!" Fans: "That doesn't sound like you have anything planned at all." Kathleen Kennedy: "Fine....Rey takes on a planet-killing device that....Hey, why are you guys leaving?"

[@justinellison1215]

Dude I said it when the force awakens came out cuz my ex, her mom and I were talkin about it after we watched it on the way home and they liked it but being the Star Wars nerd that I am I was hesitant yet optimistic but my exact words were "I just hope they don't run Star Wars into the ground" dude if I was a KZbinr I'd be heralded as a sage who can see the future.

[@hulkfan97]

I've been saying this since 2014-15. I was like a Star Wars movie as year is gonna ruin the factor. And I was almost right.

[@russ254]

i felt betrayed in the first 5 minutes because after 6 films the empire still was in control

[@justinellison1215]

@@russ254 also another young hero on desert planet who has unknown hidden potential and power inside them... except one had to actually train despite being a direct decedent of The Chosen One. (who also had to train even tho he was pretty much the Force incarnate)

[@thatperformer3879]

@@russ254 As soon as the New Republic and Luke’s Jedi Order got wiped out in the blink of an eye, I was so fuckin confused and tried to act like I didn’t just experience what just happened.

[@hulkfan97]

Drinker, Tyrone, and Jeremy in one video. This feels like an event

[@hulkfan97]

Jeremy Jahns should come on here sometimes. He'll fit in

[@thatperformer3879]

@@hulkfan97 If he ever came in, he’d lose half his audience as they’re normie shills.

[@discobroccoli198]

@@thatperformer3879 Liking something that you don’t like makes someone a shill?

[@tbmike23]

When the news broke that the Rise of Skywalker was nearly wrapped in shooting, and yet they were still weighing any one of over a dozen endings, was the clearest of all signals that they had not one clue what they were doing, and the franchise would go nowhere but down. Lucas had a grand idea for the story, the setting, and the characters, Disney's grand idea was it must release on Y day, and make X amount. With a direction you can get lost along the way, and still end up there. With no direction at all you'll simply go nowhere.

[@spleefthedude7747]

The Director of Aquaman two admitted that these movies and TV shows are not for the fans. It’s for themselves to spread whatever message they want to spread to the public. And for some reason the shareholders who want to make money or letting it happen that’s the part I don’t understand. The only logical reason is, is they don’t care about making money, it’s more important to spread the message.

[@Soundtracks92]

Disney’s Star Wars sequels are so bad , that it’s an insult to the original trilogy and the prequels to even say that the Disney ones are cannon

[@turdfurgason8476]

The Extended Universe was a goldmine. And the first thing KK did was through it away. There were so many good stories to bring to the big screen. But into the trash it went.

[@Alesz15]

I remember back going into TFA with my friends. Everyone came out of that movie yelling "star wars is back!" and me and my other friend who loved the EU were mostly silent. At that point we know Disney had alrrady screwed up a lot of things with potential, and Starkiller base was a stupid idea all together, but at least we were happy finally seeing Harrison ford and Carrie fisher again. We were thinking "well maybe things will get better on episode 8 with Luke being an awesome and badass grandmaster, because maybe thinking he dissappeared and went into exile, but he is Luke Skywalker, he should have a stronger motive, maybe he discovered something bigger is coming, something more dangerous than the first order (like Abeloth for example or a freaking cosmic eldritch horror or an order of grey/dark jedi or whatever). But noo, they had the ruin arguably the best hero in story of cinema

[@mrawesome5495]

The problem is it HASN'T been managed. Truly sad that this universe may fade into oblivion.

[@ff10fire666]

It still hurts that Disney has basically grinded my favourite series into the dust. They actually followed with what they said “Let the past die. Kill it, if you have to. That’s the only way to become what you were meant to be”. At this point all I care about is the prequels, OG, Rebels, TCW, Andor, Rouge One and Vision. Outside these are either meh or awful. Kinda tempted to start collecting the legacy books to get my SW fix.

[@SkintSNIPER262]

OG and PT are the only good stuff.

[@ff10fire666]

@@SkintSNIPER262 True. Those are the only thing I'll rewatch. The clone wars series is pretty good and most of it was made before Disney take over so I still put it on par with the 6 films.

[@SkintSNIPER262]

@@ff10fire666 No. Filoni is worse than Kathleen, JJ, Rian, etc... He was bastardizing SW before Disney came along. Many talented writers including Karen Travis quit Lucasfilms because Filoni was ruining their works.

[@mattp6089]

I can't believe how often I am grateful to my brain for choosing not to subject me to Ruse of Soywoker.

[@jamesR1990]

I'd rather have seen the Yuuzhan Vong war adapted but that would require setup and intelligence beyond Disney's abilities

[@michealbounds550]

I would've rather had the Sequel Trilogy focus on the Sith-Imperial War from Legacy

[@jamesR1990]

​@@michealbounds550 that would probably take even more set up 😆 not that I'm against it You need Jacen Solo's fall, Jania's rise to the Sword of the Jedi and marrying into the Imperial royal family. The fall of the New Republic and the rise of the remnant.

[@TheNoonish]

I mean, even that was shit, but it was shit that tried.

[@alemander_01]

Weird Al was so prescient when he wrote the lyrics to Yoda and forecast poor Mark Hamill being contractually obligated to the end of time.

[@Miller54K]

I never understood the love for TFA. I really disliked it from the first (and only) time I saw it. The fact Rey could do the Jedi mind trick made absolutely ZERO sense and still doesn't. Killing Han like they did after making him a deadbeat also pissed me off. Rey was a Mary Sue from the very start. Completely unlikable, unrelatable, and just plain garbage. People were talking about how great it was and I was just looking at them in bewilderment. I just didn't get it.

[@TI4438]

Couldn't agree more.

[@adriandenton6637]

Yea I still don't get it, it's so shallow and completely murdered Hans arc. I felt so empty waiting for the taxi home after.

[@thatperformer3879]

As soon as they erased Luke’s Jedi Order offscreen and blew up the entire New Republic government and it’s fleet, I immediately thought, “so wtf was the entire point of the Original Trilogy then?”.

[@witteafval]

I felt the same way. When the credits started my first thought was, "So that's it?" Every Star Wars movie I'd seen before that (and Rogue One afterward) had me leaving the theater wanting to cheer, but not TFA. I'd been playing the soundtrack from Return of the Jedi in my car before going to see it, and listening to it afterward made me sad. It took years before I would listen to the older soundtracks again. My son was eight years old at the time. When Han died he said, "I don't ever want to see this again and we should never buy it!" You should know you've done messed up when you piss off what should have been your target audience.

[@classreductionist]

Rise of Skywalker: Somehow...the Empire managed to gather enough resources to build 10,000 of the most powerful weapons every conceived without anyone noticing.

[@russ254]

tfa: the new empire somehow builds a space station the size of a planet, with a crew of hundreds of millions, without anyone noticing

[@thatperformer3879]

@@russ254 Somehow, the ENTIRE New Republic government and its military are all stationed in ONE SINGLE STAR SYSTEM. Convenient for any outside threats to quickly move in, take them out, and throw the whole galaxy in disarray. WTF is this awful story-telling?

[@MarlonBrando414]

Incredible that a studio with unlimited resources could produce such sub par stories, I keep thinking this is the best they can come up with?

[@ProfessorSauvaje]

this discussion went really good, I like it because you guys are on the same page and same energy

[@tren380]

I watched Rise of Skywalker one time and was so pissed through the entire movie. I have re watched 1-6 so many times, however I can count on one hand the number of times I have watched 7-9 all combined.

[@davidlacoste]

14:30 I remember an interview of Christophe Lambert where he said that him and Sean Connery were fully aware that Highlander 2 was going to be bad but that even Sean Connery himself (back in the early 90s) could not afford a breach of contract lawsuit.

[@AndreNitroX]

After hearing that Rey is coming back, I realize we will never have satisfying Star Wars content for a long time

[@khutch010]

Imagine they just made movies based on the legends material, the twins, anakin solo, Mara jade, the yuzon yong…. Would’ve been amazing

[@fakshen1973]

As far as Mark H., the script was in constant rewrite. He only had the scenes he was in. Also, we don't know what was left on the cutting room floor. There are always alternate scenes and reshoots to cloud up any concrete picture of the movie. The actors are looking out of a small window compared to the audience that can see the entire building.

[@thecircleoft.e.d2121]

Kathleen: What would George do...? *SOMEHOW, GEORGE LUCAS RETURNED*

[@logicplague]

They aren't here to learn from their mistakes, they're here to "educate you on yours", and that's the problem.

[@ItsaKindOfMagic86]

ding ding!, bingo!

[@gloweye]

In every bit of his acting in the sequels, you could see that Mark Hamill didn't want to be there.

[@PatricksCrazyPlace]

I miss the days when it was just the old movies, the books, and the video games. That sweet spot in the 90s before Disney, before the prequels, and even before the Special Edition where we could just enjoy what was made and have enough fun extra material to keep the fandom alive. It has been one slow march to the grave ever since I was in middle school.

[@robbhays8077]

Yeah. Something that a lot of fans won't admit is that the death of Star Wars started with the Prequels. They cheapened the OT a lot. Clone Wars tried to save it, but it was all downhill from there.

[@toms7114]

Han shooting first makes the Original Trilogy so much better than the Special Edition where Lucas bitches out and has Greedo shoot first..

[@FuzzyNinja21]

Before the Empire, before the dark times...

[@TheyWantMeGone69]

​@@robbhays8077 Okay I know the sequels spat on the OT but I'm still trying to understand what the prequels did. Mitochlorians? Jar Jar. I'm gonna have to rewatch them and see.

[@matthewgaudet4064]

I for one was excited for George's sequels. If not sold on Maul as the big bad, and the idea of Luke training younglings, and the midicholorians reminded me of the prequel in a bad way. But rebuilding the jedi order, Luke as a Jedi master. Leia as chancellor, Han and Leia's kids being the protagonists. Han as a leader in the New Republic navy are all superior to what we got.

[@marcbraun5342]

3:52 "It created the illusion..." exactly this applies to Lost, word for word, it is the Jar Jar Abrams formula as it seems...

[@stevehirjak7824]

The new stuff makes the prequels look good.

[@rahn45]

The movie after TFA was a layup: All you had to do was show how Rey became Super Rey because when Kylo did the Vulcan Mind Meld she started to get his memories and training; those revelations would slowly drive her insane and push her towards the Dark Side. Meanwhile Kylo would be going through an untold amount of regret and rage over killing his father, which would break him free of the Dark Side and move him back on the path to the Light Side. The shakier ground of the behavior of Han and Leia not doing anything about their son could have been easily explained as a request by Luke, as he foresaw both their deaths should they try to save their son. That he asked them both to trust him to bring their son back. It could even be played with in how Luke was expecting Ben to show up, not Rey; that she was a factor he did not foresee, and how her interference in events basically wrecked his plans which would give Rey various reasons to resent Luke and put the two at odds. But instead we got "Subvert Your Expectations: The Movie."

[@miles8066]

"Wow! This is great news! Rey is the greatest heroine in the history of cinema and Star Wars has nowhere to go but up under Kethleen Kennedy's fearless leadership" said no one.

[@johnlocke4715]

If you have a Disney+ subscription and you’ve been to the cinemas to see these movies. You have zero right to complain about how bad they have been.

[@thekcsugethe_kc_suge7930]

Disney killed the concept of re-watchability.

[@sigmacademy]

The 10 000 Star Destroyer fleet thing was a reference to the Katana Fleet in the book series. The difference is, those ships were old school, heavily armed ships - it was a "lost fleet" that both the Imperial Remnant and New Republic were scrambling to get to, because it would tip the balance of power immediately in one direction or another because it would have bolstered either side's fleet size and scope to defend multiple areas IMMENSELY, essentially giving either side an automatic military and political win when combined with their own remaining fleets. Destroying the fleet was kind of stupid, since with a "Galaxy sized" defense fleet incoming, you could easily have disabled those ships and claimed them for the New Republic, IMMEDIATELY fixing the fact that they had lost a big chunk of their own fleet in TFA's super, multiple beamed Death Star attack. All you need to have done is disable their flight systems so they couldn't escape with the fleet (and allow the New Republic to confiscate said ships) and destroy their Death Star cannons (since their on-board presence would simply have made them juicy targets for hijacking and the New Republic wouldn't use weapons of mass destruction in any case). Guess the story was WAY too close to the book series, and we know they consider everything older "problematic". :/

[@Gozokukolat]

George Lucas also gave them the best edit of the 'Woke of Palpatine' supposedly... and they still went against him.

[@tacitus6384]

KK's incompetence is ALL over this. The Mandalorian Season 1 was made without her input, she didn't care, because it was just some crappy little TV show while she had the big, mega movies. But the movies go down the crapper, yet the fans get behind this scrappy little TV show and everyone loves it. It becomes a huge hit, both views and merchandise wise. KK wets her finger, sticks it in the air and sees where those winds are blowing. She slithers over to the TV series and starts to massage her tentacles across them, slowly at first, but then suddenly 12+ TV series are announced, suspiciously all featuring her themes of 'The Force is Female'. Season 2 Mando realeased and it's a noticeable step down in quality, with Bo Katan suddenly now a central figure and her scrappy and tough-as-nails female second in command. Book of Boba Fett releases and it's crap, Filoni shares his blame here, but Lucasfilm is so filled with KK ideological sycophants it's a rats next, I couldn't imagine how exhausting it would be politically fighting these people all the time. Obi wan releases, and most of it is about a black female inquisitor. KK's finger-prints are all over this. She is the reverse Midas, everything she touches turns to shit. She took a pop cultural juggernaut and turned it into a failing TV show. And what's worse is that she won't face ANY consequences for doing so.