Marvel Phase 5 - The Sludge Must Flow

So the San Diego Comic Con turned out to be a real treasure trove... of generic content from Disney Marvel. Let's take a look at what they have to offer in the MCU Phase 5, shall we?
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[@ashenxenos3135]

Not that the MCU was ever "perfect" or anything, but it definitely ended with Endgame for me.

[@robbiekop7]

It's called a Comic Con.....jeez it's in the name 😩 Who attends these sad bastard gatherings.

[@mayonnaise3959]

And that was a shit movie

[@Lord_necromancer]

Same. As far as I'm concerned, the MCU story is over.

[@metazare]

Started with iron man, ended with iron man.

[@robobrain10000]

Fuck that. It ended with Infinity War for me. Thanos won and then nothing happened after that. Perfect ending.

[@TheDGBgamers]

Phase 4 felt like doing side quests after beating the game.

[@changvasejarik62]

Only less interesting, I spent 2 hours fishing in okami and I still felt more satisfied than watching any of the phase 4 movies. On a side note: okami Amaterasu > any mcu god.

[@xagain3106]

Phase 5 is "The Grind" where we grind repeatable material for some minor upgrade end goal while hating the existence of continued playing, all while waiting for something better.

[@caroline6218]

That’s so accurate lol. At least side quests are fun and enjoyable.

[@carlosreid51]

Only Spiderman and maybe Deadpool Phase 4 could fit into a good phase after Endgame and it is like playing side quest after beating a game that took 100+ hours and unlocking most costumes and all characters and playing with a crappy side boss as a hero that no one cares about in the main game.

[@danielmcgregor8803]

Lol, well said.

[@gigajerk6953]

For someone who claims to be so culturally sensitive, they sure love destroying and disrespecting Nordic Mythology to extreme extents

[@tLr1n]

Yea except they probably don’t really care cause they’re white and who cares ab white ppl am I right??

[@juanjoyaborja.3054]

It failed in its very premise. Asgard is supposed to be part of the Yggdrasil, not a floating rock in space

[@mauritshagedorn856]

Im not sure it was ever supposed to be accurate to nordic methology, i could be wrong tho. That being said i thought the new thor movie was mediocre at best and i hope phase 6 never comes. I already found phase 4 a spit in the face to every mcu fan out there and i hope this bs ends soon.

[@prasetyodwikuncorojati2434]

@@mauritshagedorn856 Greek myth too, Amazonian in Wonder Woman

[@David_Ace_Rej_Ollsan]

Can confirm. Neither me nor my group of friends and family are big fans of how they handle Asgard and the lore around it. Glad someone pointed it out

[@TheSoapontheWii360]

If RiRi Williams is IronHeart, what was the point of Tony's daughter in Endgame?

[@Sairah.Schmitz]

Just to say that Tony was able to have child maybe after all those injuries he had 🤣 ( and what the hell is Riri? That's a name really? )

[@TheSoapontheWii360]

@@Sairah.Schmitz yep. Riri is real and I am in denial. What I want is Tony's daughter or Pepper to be the New Iron Man not this race-swapped gender-swapped bland character

[@TheSoapontheWii360]

True. Although considering disneys woke agenda, Riri Ironheart is here instead of Harley as Ironlad or something. Or here's an idea: Don't replace Tony. Let his sacrifice mean something instead of new girl to please The Mouse

[@candycorn4912]

@@Sairah.Schmitz ? Racist af

[@Sairah.Schmitz]

@@candycorn4912 If you mean me who's racist then I'm from a black family and I can hate a fictional character black or white so be quite kid. Monica, Miles and Blade are my favorite character in Marvel btw and I love black well written characters. So don't put words in my mouth.

[@argosvinandi5064]

Being “better” than other people is not a character trait.

[@vincentfalcone9218]

It is in 2022

[@cheesecakeisgross4645]

but it is a Villains trait.

[@IAmJeff7]

@@cheesecakeisgross4645 that never work 😂

[@ultimateslinger9857]

@@vincentfalcone9218 Going with the crowd is overrated 😒

[@spiralinglight]

Narcissistic behavior is a trait

[@rubiconomega3492]

I love how they had built up this multi-billion dollar franchise and then reach the conclusion they did everything "wrong" and must correct "mistakes of the past". Dude, the franchise made you more money than the GDP of some nations. I think you could've stayed the course.

[@strategery101]

These cape movies are vomit inducing

[@-Ryu]

I imagine that When something Succeeds for too long, they think they can't fail. This is where the arrogance gets the best of them.

[@Kronos0999]

​@@-Ryu You people are so simple-minded. You really, *REALLY* think that conglomerates that span the globe and have access to all your data, even down to the way you think, don't know that media like this won't be received favorably? You think they're doing this to make money? News channels lose money *every day* they operate, but their parent companies still keep them afloat for some reason. Why? You think media is now considered a source of revenue or one of reprogramming and division?

[@psully212]

Holy shit man! You figured it all out! Thank God somebody with your wit and perception was here to point this out to us plebs like 15 years after the fact dude. Good job. Somebody get this guy a fucking medal.

[@ghanoushba5366]

@@Kronos0999 You're so simple minded. You REALLY believe that these conglomerates that have access to your data, even down to the way you think, can't do both? Now quit acting like a pseudo intelligent 14 year old that's just figuring out the media is propagated against certain views. We've known this for decades and there have always been people, mostly children, like you that point out the obvious and act like they're making a difference.

[@vatoloco1528]

I remember Christopher Nolan talking about his Batman films and how he said he was only going to do 3 and that was it. He said something like the stories and characters can just go on and on in the comics because it's a different kind of medium, but it just doesn't work on film. He was 💯 correct!

[@firstlast9846]

They’ll probably end up doing a “New 52” reboot at some point to make it easier for new viewers to access the stories.

[@fenixspider5776]

@@firstlast9846 : ( man, I really don't want to see Batfleck and Cavil's superman replaced if they do that new 52 as canon stories

[@pepavasata6790]

Nah, these stories don’t work because they are poorly written, not because of the medium. If you translated the MCU into comic form it wouldn’t magically become good just because it’s comics.

[@SupportTheLittleGuy]

I mean i think it’s been working for the MCU

[@-NoneOfYourBusiness]

Nolan was correct about Cinema. But for streaming services, demanding a bunch of new series every 6 months, cheap cookie cutters comic strip stories are perfect. Ultimately it destroys its own market, tho.

[@mikeuuuytffvghjjoopoiytf]

The one bitter sweet thing about the death of Stan Lee is that he saw the beauty of his creations turned into legendary movies and didn't have to watch his life's work and passion devolve into what it's become today... and what is yet to come looks even worse.

[@Xerathiel]

Maybe he was the only floodgate left.

[@truckdriver2129]

I mean to be fair most of them weren't even his creations

[@goshkakoshka2902]

Didn't he like, steal half of those characters to begin with though?

[@cristiantapia631]

Isn't it kinda weird that after stan Lee passed. The msheu started turning into what it is today 🤔

[@ReeseLeeArt]

@@goshkakoshka2902 nope. Stan is never credited as the sole creator of a character, people just say Stan created Spider-Man but everyone knows it was Stan Lee and Steve Ditko.

[@Noin007]

I don't remember the decline of previous genres, but this decline seems entirely artificial. It doesn't seem like people are actually tired of superheroes, it seems like Marvel & DC just decided not to bother trying to make good ones anymore.

[@misterwhyte]

There's definitely a superhero fatigue. You can feel it when you talk to people, it's not like it was 5-10 years ago. They're just not as excited anymore. Box office numbers confirm this. Declines are always very slow and the superhero genre won't disappear overnight, just like westerns or peplums didn't, but at this rate it won't last more than another 5-10 years.

[@4879daniel]

It's definitely fatigue kicking in - what can you do with superheroes that hasn't already been done?

[@Corrderio]

Part of it is fatigue, part of it is how convoluted the MCU has got and most of it is how Disney wants to push THE MESSAGE

[@Daxel134]

I also think Its just the way the movies are written. I'm pretty much completely burnt out on the genre with only liking the recent spiderman and sorta the new doctor strange but I recently watched The Boys and loved that take on super heroes. These movies are just so repetitive and with the same message being pushed in every single one its gets even more repetitive.

[@MisterCovek]

I've had a theory for a while that big studios make shit movies and tv shows, on purpose. I just can't come up with a logical reason why someone would, with all their money and influense and data, manage to make something they KNOW is going to be hated. Other than them doing it on purpose the first time, get money, piss off fans, and then make an apology new series or trilogy as a result. Again, making money because "they learned this time". I just think it's a tactic to make money from the same thing, twice.

[@flymacseamus3474]

Since the current superhero trend is "challenging preconceptions", I'd love to see Blade being played by a white guy

[@markhester6556]

We all know it's going to be Blade and his much better female partner. Switchblade. 😂

[@-Ryu]

Hey, If Albert Wesker has to look like Blade, maybe Blade could look like Albert Wesker.

[@flymacseamus3474]

@@markhester6556 Scissor Sista

[@roscojenkins7451]

*Queue culture warrior rage*

[@kasperdahlin6675]

Comment of the month hahhaha

[@arggyw3584]

Phase 1: the starting point of the game and it’s story Phase 2: the middle part of the game where you go through all the bosses and different story missions as you watch the story continue Phase 3: the ending part of the game where you reach the final levels and eventually the final boss, ending the story Phase 4: the extra quests you do after finishing the story Phase 5: the DLC

[@bopoasd3056]

Phase 6: The Sequel

[@tejasanand4515]

@@bopoasd3056 And most sequels are unable to meet expectations, be it video games or movies.

[@AstralJustus]

@@tejasanand4515 shrek 2

[@Pascaffa]

@@AstralJustus for every shrek 2, there are a million the last of us 2's

[@srialekhyananduri7036]

Yup!

[@anadaere6861]

The sad part of it all is how people will view future shows with woke mcs Instead of curiosity and intrigue for the show itself, the question will now be "Who wrote this" or "What was the current events when this was written" as a way to do a rough check if the show will be fun or not

[@luskira]

Unfortunately this is already happening.

[@plmokm33]

Yea it's been like this already for half a decade now.

[@christopherbravo1813]

and it's completely understandable.

[@Dante02d12]

There's nothing wrong with that though. It's called critical thinking. In the entertainment industries there's a lot of actors (not just the cinema actors, I mean people working in those fields) who are playing activists to a nauseous degree. So now I boycott if I deem their activism taints their products. Jada Smith has released a documentary with _intentional_ blackwashing: boom, I boycott. Neil Druckman destroyed the characters of TLOU in the second game ; boom, boycotted the TV series. Game Freak released a Pokemon game with literally nothing to do outside the main missions : boom, I boycott the next games. People vote with their wallets. That's common sense in a Society where money rules. So people can't be blamed for boycotting people they don't trust.

[@thomasholland5487]

Ah. Marvel. Toxic, woke, and furiously greedy for that cash.

[@mr_indie_fan]

They care about THE MESSAGE not money.

[@abdelrahman788]

@@mr_indie_fan hahahah money is everything for this dogs

[@RomaPlayer127]

@@mr_indie_fan they care about the money, not the message.

[@zacharywoloszynski4258]

How are they woke?

[@BirdsElopeWithTheSun09]

@@RomaPlayer127 Yeah, they just pretend to care about THE MESSAGE.

[@jakedizzle]

How is it possible that Captain Falcon can throw the shield like Steve and Bucky without the super soldier serum? Never made sense to me.

[@austinhowarth9287]

Because he’s a POC and it would be deemed racist if he couldn’t.

[@carpetbombjesus]

“Show me ya moves senator”

[@Eismagier]

wasnt it said, that vibranium isnt that heavy?

[@chriswilson7288]

Comics

[@4879daniel]

The shield makes no sense anyway, sometimes it bounces off things other times it gets embedded in stuff.

[@michaelmarcus509]

I wanted Bucky to have the shield, I figured it would be cool to try and become a better man with the opportunity from cap to take up the mantle as he struggles to become a beacon of light contrasted by his dark winter soldier past.

[@ind0g_nesia]

Bucky should've taken the mantle of Captain America. He fought with Steve from 1940's and also Steve's best friend.

[@williamwoolf8072]

yea and bucky had the super solider serum

[@spikespiegel1000]

Same here

[@badqualityfrog9367]

I disagree, Bucky is better when he works alone. Captain America prefers to work as a team. Falcon fits the role better since he’s also good in a team and worse alone.

[@Eternaldarkness3166]

yeah, I wanted him to have the shield too, I love Sam but Buck should have gotten it

[@TheDealMaster]

The first Blade still holds up really well. I love that movie.

[@khriskirby8986]

Can perfectly agree! First time seeing all 3 films on the SyFy Channel. He was dope as hell, and he represented actual good Black superhero without it feeling pandering.

[@StephenGillie]

It wasn't trying to be a superhero movie. It was trying to be a tough action flick about a guy with a few extra abilities. Like Rambo and Die Hard.

[@SheldonAdama17]

“I was floating face down in my local duck pond when two thoughts occurred to me: it’s been a long time since I’ve seen a new Marvel movie and I’m totally fine with that.” You said that about Phase 4… and it applies equally well to Phase 5.

[@thekiller7994]

WTF are with these bots?

[@FatherAndrew-Scarlet-Priest]

"The dog food must flow" - Marvel writing team.

[@stiiffyrabbit]

Hijack! I would totes love to watch 'Young Obediah' - it could be quite brilliant! Period drama, hank pym and howard stark. Cap Am and young magneto - superb!

[@Boomslayer19]

was for me too untill i heard about blade and that indifference turned into anger really quickly Disney's mission to molest my childhood over and over is getting rather annoying please leave cult classics like blade alone for fuck sake

[@thanos43infinity]

@@Boomslayer19 Its guaranteed Phase 5's new reboot will be The Gay Blade.

[@mrgoober6320]

So let me get this straight: a bunch of characters that couldn't sell comic books but were subsidized by the nascent comic book film industry are now being moved into the film medium so that they can not sell films. Who is that stupid? How can anyone think this is a good idea?!

[@uBpGK]

Because no on with common sense is sitting in those corporate meetings

[@stevenscott2136]

All they know is "the peasants like superheroes", so they make more of that. They don't even know what a superhero is, other than "weird powers, weird clothes".

[@harbl99]

There's no money in telling these people 'no', so the train rolls on regardless. Shame the bridge is out.

[@andreadkins7400]

At this point I'm quite convinced it's some kind of money laundering scheme

[@Grubnar]

"It's not about the money, it's about sending a message!"

[@ws3240]

Wait... so not even Tony's daughter is gonna inherit the Iron Man legacy?

[@Nemenis]

Can’t imagine a 6 year old girl taking the iron man mantle. A random black diverse girl is perfect for the replacement

[@md-vq8sp]

@@Nemenis Tbf seeing a following in the footsteps of the father i never knew would be cool. even have peter parker as a older brother figure.

[@nazneenbegum578]

She is not black, that's not good. We need DiVeRSitY

[@alnu8355]

While I do not care for RiRi (I mean she was created by Bendis, and not named 'Miles Morales' so of course she sucks) but I'm actually okay with Starks daughter not inheriting the Ironman title as if it was some kind Title of Nobilty passed on from generation to generation. I think Tony Stark would want someone who holds his ideals, mechanical and engineering genius. I'm sure his daughter is talented but that does'nt mean she inherited Stark's qualities that made him Ironman. Furthermore who would want that bullshit for their child? If it's not corrupt bussiness partners making deals with terrorist to kill you, it's cosmic alien voices in your head threatening to come down and kill all you know and love, capped off with self sacrifice at the end. No, no one should want that for their children, and I think a child NOT following in their parent's foot steps is realistic, otherwise we'd all live in a caste system. If the're REALLY going to use RiRi and she's a character created by Bendis, then it's a rare exception were I think they should get further away from the source material.

[@scientist368]

​@@Nemenisnot like there are 2 people that could take that role. One kinda does already.

[@nucleuscyborg5036]

I love this guy. 😂 He says exactly what is on my mind and I love his ending. “That’s all I’ve got for today. Go away now.” Make me laugh every time.

[@unknownvariable9239]

I think the MCU broke a very big rule they, of all people, should know well: patience. When Avengers came to an end MCU needed to do a full-stop. Fans needed time to relax, breathe (for god’s sake) and then wonder what’s next. You have to make fans wonder what’s next. Let me just say ya keep them wanting more by making them wait. Anyone else here relate to that?

[@scottkelly1685]

Absolutely. I'm old enough to remember the three-year wait between Star Wars movies, then nothing on the big screen for 16 or so years. Made anticipation a serious benefit.

[@olidiprose6433]

Exactly why I gave up. I accepted after Endgame the quick release of Spiderman: Far From Home which seemed like a nice little epilogue to Endgame. Then I stopped caring because, like you say, instead of pausing to let me digest the last 10+ years of films, they just threw out crap after crap after crap that was impossible to keep up with.

[@akmonra]

Yes, exactly. And time for them to come up with an actual plan or direction... since they don't seem to have one.

[@Dookieman1975]

It’s not just that, Disney needs to give them time to polish everything. Even though I still liked phase 4, I could tell they kept going for quality over quantity

[@h.a.edinburgh7879]

@@akmonra You hit the nail on the head. If the Disney dummies actually cared about good stories, they would take time to develop them.

[@frank.3985]

Let me just say that I love Daredevil and I'm absolutely scared they're going to ruin everything

[@joshdavis6061]

Their gonna ruin him , PG 13 , corny jokes , horrible suit

[@bigstepper4125]

He's a man. You know they're gonna make a woman the lead.

[@guybroyles48]

That's how I feel about X-Men, it was always my jam. I'm sure they're going to F it up. Now I'll never get to see the X-Men from the comics done well as a film. 😕 Some of those Fox X-Men movies were okay, Logan was great. Those weren't the characters from the comics though. To me, they were just kind of based on them. I think perhaps this whole superhero movies phenomenon thing has run its course anyway.

[@christopherantoine9657]

@@guybroyles48 oh come on. You act like fox didn’t ruin the series themselves with apocalypse and then the dumpster fire dark Phoenix

[@guybroyles48]

@@christopherantoine9657 Did you read my comment? I literally mentioned those movies. Idk what that has to do with the MCU making X-Men movies, anyway. The ones Fox made are irrelevant regarding what the MCU does with the property. If Marvel Studios were to make great X-Men films, it's not as if we would enjoy them any less due to the Fox films being bad. I thought a couple of the Fox X-Men movies were okay anyway. I think Logan is one of the best films ever based on a comic book character. It and Joker would be in my top 3 movies based on comic characters, ever. My thing is, they were never actually the characters from the comics in the first place. Batman is the best example of that. As many films that we've gotten based on that character, we've never gotten a good representation of what I consider the character to be. They range in quality from great to terrible, but they've never nailed the character from the comics, the way the MCU did in the beginning with their characters. I thought that was the perfect balance of staying true to the comics but changing the things that didn't translate from the page to the screen well. This last Batman film was okay, but far too grounded in the real world, for me. In my opinion, grounding any superhero character in the real world is totally missing the point of the characters. If you put Batman or any of them in the real world, it's utterly ridiculous and laughable. All that said, at the end of the day, it's all just disposable entertainment that isn't important, at all. All our opinions are valid and not worth being rude to each other over. It's fun to debate though. Sorry I went on a mini-rant there. 😆

[@awesomeblader45]

I can guarantee that Riri will either be just as if not smarter than Tony without any of the character flaws that made him a compelling character to begin with.

[@ForeverLaxx]

Well of course. That's how she is in the comics. She literally got mad that her teacher said she could do anything she wanted. Yes, she was pissed off that her teacher supported her and demanded that teacher tell her she "couldn't be Tony" just so she could "prove her wrong." It's really, really sad.

[@magnaknight9252]

To me, she's not the next Iron Man. She's just a replacement because Disney is spreading the message of woke agendas and more female empowerment. Peter or Morgan should have been Iron Man's successor instead of someone like Riri. Riri Williams is just a cheap knockoff and poorly written Marry Sue who should never exist and should never have given the torch in the first place because she never earned it, and it was cheap lazy writing for someone who showed up out of nowhere and claimed to be the next Iron Man when someone else has a much better shot to be his successor in the MCU, especially in the comics when you can have anyone who is the closest to Tony Stark should have been his successor instead of someone like Riri Williams.

[@mudkipfan2420]

THE MESSAGE

[@oniplus4545]

@@ForeverLaxx oh god, that sounds like what some tryhard edgy teen trying to self insert into a comic book story would write

[@magnaknight9252]

@@ForeverLaxxNo offense, she's not even close to being a genius as Tony Stark, and even in the comics, the things she makes are not even close to the things Stark has already made that are just as good or better than the other well-known geniuses in Marvel.

[@bubbles2215]

Not only is the Endgame build up with the heroes we love gone, they’ve also way over saturated the market, partially with the mediocre shows that mostly feature B-List heroes we already know, so the movies with new characters aren’t getting as much attention anymore. They could possibly kick off a fun new era with the X-men that could open the door for a couple of new, potentially interesting franchises from well established characters, but instead, they just keep teasing it with no results.

[@truckdriver2129]

Honestly, phase 4 is doing a terrible job of balancing the pre-existing characters and the new ones. You have projects like Black Widow, Black Panther WF, Thor LAT, LOKI, WandaVision, and Doctor Strange MoM that everybody was excited about. The return of beloved characters who people wanted to learn more about. Then you have projects like Shang Chi, Eternals, Ms Marvel, She Hulk, and Moonknight. Which are cool, sure, but are way too many new characters. In each previous phase, there were no more than 4 new character movies created. In phase 4, we already have 5 (and that's not even including all the side characters that got spin-off shows). And sure, it's always fun to see our favourite underrated comic book heroes come to life and get the attention they deserve, but the MCU isn't the comics. They can't afford to keep pumping out these no-name superheroes, because people will get bored. All that to say that Marvel needs to remember to develop their characters, not replace them. Give our favourite MCU characters logical character arcs and stick to them (we're looking at you Wanda, Doctor Strange and Loki) or give us what we really want: Xmen. Stop it with these mediocre, copy-paste heroes who all struggle with identity (Seriously, it's in literally 90% of the recent phase 4 projects). Thank you for listening to my ted talk

[@lorddrayvon1426]

The shows will come back to bite them in the ass. Most people watching these films aren't watching the supplementary material and so they'll be asking why Loki is alive after he died in Endgame, why there's a genderbent version of him, why Wanda is referencing this weird TV sitcom universe she created,

[@cellardweller5245]

@@lorddrayvon1426 not to worry, apparently directors of movies don't watch the supplementary shows either

[@maia3420]

Ironheart is just……….. the idea that it gets its own film over the hundreds of fan favorites ahead of it is an excellent example of Disney being more interested in its agenda rather than delivering what most fans want.

[@rogerborg]

TV series. All of the people currently in mourning over Batgirl will both love it.

[@Mr.Marsha11]

It’s a tv show.

[@SiroBenju]

Also, I NEVER understand this argument. Disney's "agenda" is, always has been, and always will be to make boatloads of money. Anyone else thinking they give two hoots about diversity, inclusiveness, minorities, women, [insert agenda here] are delusional and should be taken seriously

[@jeggsonvohees2201]

@@SiroBenju The argument stems from the fact that their focus on forcing the agenda is gradually costing them lots of money and will continue to damage their properties. One need look no further than Star Wars. That one is absolutely prioritizing agenda over story and money, has been since TFA. It makes no sense and it's costing them money, but they still keep doing it no matter what the audience says.

[@rockinHurley777]

@@jeggsonvohees2201 and hopefully they will go bankrupt for it.

[@moonwhooper]

You know, as a kid i never thought 'hey blade is black how revolutionary' i always just saw him as a badass. While representation is important, making good stuff should come first.

[@cetus835]

There's a difference between what is natural and what is forced.

[@SankofaNYC]

How do we know it won’t be good?

[@not.acommentbot]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/gaHPZINtpJ2Lj80 it's finally here 2 likes lol 😂

[@dsmyify]

Having a human skin colour has never been revolutionary.

[@mopnem]

​@@cetus835 Yr right that it's unnatural to have every character white. We know the characters came from a time in history were the culture that was actually racist, so that part makes sense, but that doesn't mean we should still follow it. I would rather argue that marvel doesn't have any charismatic pillar characters, that's hard to get but necessary. Marvel has no Robert downey jrs. or Chris Eva- ..well the character was cooler than the actor on that part but at least he had the vibe of the character.

[@callysta1414]

Hearing they were planning on continuing Daredevil's story made me so excited initially, but then I thought about how they have been slowly but surely destroying characters I used to love and now I'm just a little sad. The tonal difference between the original show and Marvel's current cartoonish humor is also too great just like with Blade. Rip Daredevil Rip Blade you will be missed

[@dcmastermindfirst9418]

Lol Daredevil has always been garbage pal. He's nothing but a C grade Batman knock off. The only reason he did well on Netflix is because it's not Disney.

[@siwap3809]

@@dcmastermindfirst9418 me when i lie

[@dcmastermindfirst9418]

@@siwap3809 Huh?

[@littlemarmoset]

The juxtaposition of a prayer meeting and a BDSM session almost made me do a spit-take. Bravo Drinker!!

[@RichWilx]

Disneys “pile it high, sell it cheap” approach to all of their IPs has been a tragedy. They rip the heart and soul out of everything they touch and leave us with derivative, vapid, and forgettable “content” that insults the makers and fans of the originals.

[@gregsmith7949]

Well said 👍

[@cslpchr]

And they bury the shows that people actually want and that are good, because they don't give the expected return. Remember what happened to the Owl House? Or Raya and the last Dragon? They just throw the one thing that they're good at under the hammer to derive the assets from those movies and shows to chug into the marvel furnace. Now people that actually like Disney's animated movies suffer just as much as Marvel fans.

[@kevinphoenix2007]

All to push “the message” over and over again. It’s a mass indoctrination on a global scale.

[@tflanagan3511]

Yup, I saw something a while back that Christopher Paolini the author for Eragon was talking to Disney about remaking the movie and instantly knew they'd probably somehow make it worse than the first try at the movie adaptation.

[@HenshinFanatic]

And the few times their TV Animation division creates something with actual heart in it, the parent company kills it for "not fitting the Disney ™ brand" or some such BS.

[@chprudhviteja]

The main aim of phase 5 is to replace costly older actors with cheap and diverse cast

[@henrygambles3652]

I feel like it’s a combination of pushing “the message” and an attempt to get cheaper actors because let’s be Honest RDJ And Chris Evans get paid a lot for even their smaller appearances in the MCU like Homecoming and Ant Man

[@Isnogood12]

Ever think how they make these movies and shows without seemingly never breaking even? They don't make these movies to make money. They have outside sources funding the movies and don't care about profits as long as they can brainwash the masses with The Message. If they make some money while doing so? A nice bonus.

[@wastelander1014]

That sounds like demographic replacement

[@SapiaNt0mata]

wrong. it's too push the far left agenda to the MCU that has big audience. some is from the comics while others are original. characters like Riri Williams that will replace Iron Man, Falcon that replaced Captain America, etc have been done in comics when the SJWs invaded and took over comics and started pushing their agenda in comics and these characters are been brought to MCU that has bigger audience than comics. what profit the Marvel comics make in 1 year they can make a few hundreds of millions of $$$$ more with 1 movie. all the monthly comics in 2021 made around $400 million. the profit that comes from Marvel comics is not even half, so with 1 movie they can make more profit while also pushing their far left agenda

[@ruffusgoodman4137]

@@henrygambles3652 Good for them, I'd charge extra for making this kind of shitty gig. "Oh, but they got millionaire out of Marvel" The stain of working for Marvel will show not that later anyway. Better get compensation upfront for that

[@gabrielmeth4844]

I reckon Drinker doesn't know that Wesley Snipes was actually supposed to be Black Panther, but since no one would fund the movie, he opted for Blade instead. The more you know.

[@macincko4616]

Woah I've never heard of that, do you have a source for that claim?

[@gabrielmeth4844]

@@macincko4616 FD Signifier and Dr. Hassan Johnson both referenced it when talking about black men and comic book representation, so I reckon if 2 different, and opposing, academicians spoke about it, it can be found if you look. I do not have a word of God source, you gotta hit Disney for that.

[@macincko4616]

@@gabrielmeth4844 I'll take your word for it, I had never heard that before, but it's quite interesting, thank you for your response Mr. Meth

[@derpypotato677]

As Bo Burnum said, "We'll stop beating this dead horse when it stops spitting out money."

[@Fluxion77]

The sad part is that the decline was avoidable. The problem with the MCU Phase 4 forward wasn't caused by fatigue with the superhero genre, it was caused by a mega-corporation choosing to hire diversity-based creators on their skin color, genitals or sexual preferences instead of great directors and writers with a history of success. Untalented creators create bad products. Also, attacking the core fan-base is bad for business. Who would've guessed?

[@Thomas.Wright]

And even the real talent they hired, like Sam Raimi, they hamstrung so they couldn't really do anything great except just churn out more garbage.

[@NathanCassidy721]

No there absolutely a fatigue going on with Superhero movies, especially around Phase 3. But what everyone is sick of is “bad fan-fiction” fatigue because that’s what this phase is. And it’s what driving Marvel, Star Wars, Star Trek and countless other franchises into the ground. Why else do you think Top Gun 2 did so fucking well?

[@pkmcburroughs]

Bunch of nonsense. It's because all these stories are basically the same. And we're being OVERSATURATED. A bit odd that people can handle characters from all sorts of planets, with every manner of back story, but what they CAN'T handle, apparently, is...gay? Or something? Or trans?? You crybabies are the only ones who care.

[@anvos658]

Also skipping years of successful comic story lines they could have used to get to the modern stuff that was financially challenged even in comic book form.

[@Thomas.Wright]

@@pkmcburroughs You fundamentally misunderstand the point. The problem isn't that there are diverse characters, but that these comic companies feel compelled to turn all their straight characters gay. It's as Rippa says, they only see real legitimacy in established white straight characters, and so they gender-, race-, and sexuality-swap existing characters in order to try to garner that legitimacy. Plus, when they make characters centered around race, gender, or sexuality these days, they tend to center the stories around those characteristics, such that those characteristics become the only thing important about those characters. In other words, it's TOKENISM, not genuine diversity. And people - even genuine LGBTQ+ people - are getting tired of it. I mean, seriously, "Snowflake and Safespace"? Who in the world thought these would be great characters to represent LGBTQ+? Probably the same people who thought that awful Miles Morales Thor was an accurate representation of African-Americal culture.

[@ihavespoken9871]

It’s ironic, really. The biggest super hero franchise ever has forgotten what made super heroes great to begin with.

[@Tethloach1]

They milked it until it has nothing left.

[@truckdriver2129]

I swear, in so many of the actor's interviews, they CONSTANTLY compliment Kevin Feige and call him a genius. I wonder how they feel now that he's allowed the writers to absolutely demolish the characters that made them famous to begin with

[@scratchy996]

"Why don't you just shut up and consume." - Disney

[@booboo4ever24]

MAKES SUPERHEROES GREAT AGAIN

[@hole-sawbear1500]

@@truckdriver2129 I'm sure a large amount of the actors don't see it that way. In their minds, it isn't the characters who made them famous, it's they who made the characters famous.

[@mattheweveland8335]

Glad someone else remembers blade. Still recall all the articles when black panther came out about 1st black helmed superhero movie. Amd all I could think was... poor Wesley Snipes. Can't even get a nod.

[@unlimitedgnar1955]

Writer: "Hey I wrote this movie while taking a dump" Disney: "Well let's see it" Writer: Holds up a piece of toilet paper covered in turd Disney: "I absolutely love it. let's film 10 movies about it!"

[@stillcantbesilencedevennow]

I feel like Chadwick kept his disease silent because he also WANTED the part. Do any of us think Disney would have kept him on, knowing he would pass sooner rather than later, hamstringing their sequel potential?

[@Paulafan5]

Wasn't it rumored they wanted to replace him as Black Panther in the sequel just before his surprising death? I think Disney would have had Shuri replace him in BP2 even if he hadn't passed away.

[@WilliamButtlicker]

You realise he must have been casted in the role around 2014-15 and he found out about it in 2016. And any sane person wouldn't want to damage his or her work opportunities as long as he can and is able to work. And iirc, it was right there in this channel's comments where i first saw comments arguing that disney should recast T'challa because the character matters more to the universe.

[@stillcantbesilencedevennow]

@@WilliamButtlicker I wasn't belittling him, I don't blame him. But do you think Disney would have kept him on? No. He chose right, and honestly I prefer it. The guy WAS B.P.

[@chriswilson7288]

Never heard that theory on wanting Chadwick boseman out. As shuri isn't really built to be a replacement in my eyes based off the factor they didn't develop her properly to possibly replace tchalla as a warrior and leader. Now if they shot and made blk panther 2 to take place during the snap and aged and warriorfied shuri in the 5 year gap. And made an adequate changes . Honestly making this have namor is the biggest problem period with or without t challa as they should have waited until DC or aquamarine isn't functioning and having hero villains limits films . As Namur in comics is kinds brutal but here he can't be that character

[@writerpatrick]

Just being diagnosed doesn't mean one will die.

[@bigroaststyrone8135]

I actually think some of the problems the MCU has are similar to something like Dragon Ball. Obviously not the pandering but the fact that they have to keep raising the stakes to a world or universe ending threat that it kinda loses meaning after a while and makes it harder for you to tell a more personal story or make a weaker hero

[@rKhael53]

Depends how it's done. I've read the Secret Wars comics by Jonathan Hickman (and the Avengers runs leading to it). Trust me, if they adapt correctly, you will have weak heroes and personnal meaning, even with a Bigger menace.

[@EvenTheDogAgrees]

That's the problem with any franchise that runs for too long. Stargate: SG1 did it back in the day. Supernatural, same thing. It's the inevitable result when your plan is "let's keep making more of this as long as it keeps making money" rather than "let's plan a story with a beginning, middle and end, and when it concludes, move on to something else entirely". It's the reason most anime (DBZ notwithstanding) is so good: in 6, 13 or 26 episodes, they tell the entire story. They don't keep milking it after they ran out of inspiration; they come up with something new, and that gets their creative juices flowing again.

[@EuroMIX2]

Serial escalation.

[@dtown313]

@@EvenTheDogAgrees So true. Shonen mainly does the milking the money thing, but you're right in that most other anime have an end in mind.

[@capybararctic9627]

Downscaling to a personal threat is the solution. JoJo's does this all the time and it really benefits the series.

[@artiv117]

Wanted to be a writer once. I don't know if I want to be one anymore, i have a feeling that companies like Disney would throw regulations like "Make Female ALWAYS strong, push as much of nostalgia as possible not trying to innovate, make some characters show sometimes unnecessary emotion". When I wanted to be a writer, I wanted actors to have fun with the role they are playing and fans of certain characters or series to also have fun. I think I may have potential to create something nice am not sure if I will. I don't know if sharing this comment has any sense? Any who cares, let me see how the people respond...

[@dragonkxk6309]

marvel is best example of "you either die a hero or live long enough to become the villian"

[@Gorger12]

There are a lot of characters that would actually sell if written to the spirit of the comic books. The decline is the fault of Disney, not the fault of the genre.

[@DeadpoolX9]

I’m still waiting for Dr Doom on the silver screen

[@Gorger12]

@@DeadpoolX9 Silver Surfer, Skaar, Guardians 3000, The Elders, Doc Samson, Blue Marvel, Ares, Beta Ray Bill, Quasar, Moondragon, Nova, Squadron Supreme, Gladiator, Man-thing, Night Thrasher, original new warriors, West Coast Avengers is a short list of options.

[@fattiger6957]

But they are being written to the spirit of the comic books. Problem is, that spirit is from the modern era of the comic books. The era where white, male heroes are either killed off to make way for a more "diverse" replacement or randomly made gay when there was no supporting evidence for the shift. And it's not just Disney. Same thing is happening over at DC.

[@rnomromro6715]

@@DeadpoolX9 I refuse to watch another Marvel film, go and give them your money over this nonsense hype of Secret Wars

[@Evolver10286]

@@Gorger12 sure but they are all men. Disney has different plans, as you can see from their current lineup.

[@nictipton1413]

What is sad is that Marvel Studios literally has decades of good stories to choose from and adapt to the big screen, but they choose the message over story.

[@ifstatementifstatement2704]

Well lately Marvel (and DC) comics have been woke. So even they are following the trend. They’ve had decreased sales because of it. Hopefully they get the message and correct their course.

[@xana7617]

@@ifstatementifstatement2704 As young man growing up I would read manga and watch dc/ marvel cartoons. Back as a teenager I find out lots of people didn't like manga/comics they would even laugh at the people who did in my school but now people in this day and age can't get enough of them not because they like the story itself but because it is the cool new thing that happened. They really don't care about the story at all or the characters the only thing that matter is the massive. Just so they can free good about themselves and act better then everyone else. I miss the old days where story was good the only thing I reading now is manga and old comics book from back in the day good time. At this point the Japanese is beating us in comics

[@jordteps1775]

I saw a post saying that ant man 3 will be a left turn in the series and I commented saying “leftist turn” and got ripped on by a bunch of sj warriors

[@crestraizn]

@@jordteps1775 madlad 🗿

[@MetalGearBronya]

Doesn't help that their minions are constantly using the argument that marvel comics has always been woke. It's just a lazy way to justify away the bad writing

[@danielhoward9729]

I still, to this day, watch the Blade movies. They're not amazing or anything, but it does remind me that black oppression just doesn't exist in modern America. Not to the degree that people claim it does. I just miss good stories, man.

[@khriskirby8986]

Me too bro..... Me too....

[@apolloisnotashirt]

One of the things I really wanna see is how humanity adjusted to all of this, like we could have a short series of it y'know? What are the laws, basic actions against super powered villains, is there some kind of counter against superpowers if or when the heroes are gone? I remember there being the Inhuman arc hope that becomes a thing.

[@smartbista463]

Marvel's focus on quantity over quality is gonna drown them seriously

[@scrappydoo7887]

Sooner rather than later hopefully

[@kylevernon]

That’s literally what the fanatics want, they clapped when Kevin Feige said “18 episodes” before they even knew what the show was. They were clapping about the quantity. Literal NPCS.

[@HARRi81_UK]

So many markets have ruined themselves throughout history by doing exactly this. You would think they'd learn from the past.

[@chasehedges6775]

Indeed.

[@chasehedges6775]

@@HARRi81_UK History always repeats itself

[@OdinAlgeron]

Ironheart is probably one of the greatest ironman villians ever created. Imagine a mentally disturbed girl that thinks she is smarter than tony stark, but because she of course is not. She ends up stealing stark tech to create a suit, only for the authorities to be so woke and afraid of beign seen as racist let her go without so much as a slap on the wrist. XD

[@FireJach]

She is gonna get all fancy stuff from her rich friend in Wakanda. Disney wont make her a thief

[@Dogen70]

The fact that its already a character in Black Panther is good enough i think but a company gon put out content if they want. Black panther yrailer looks great and I think Marvel and Feige will stay out if Cooglers eay to make a good film. I hope

[@firstlast9846]

No.. please.. if she captures a bad guy and the cops tell her to “Don’t Move” even tho she’s the good guy or something…. I don’t mind discussions of racism and police abusing power - but if you’re gonna do it - do it in a way that is nuanced and different.. like “Tokyo Vice” where a man moves to Japan and faces Anti-Semitism from his bosses and we see Japan’s treatment of foreigners - that’s nuanced.

[@margarethmichelina5146]

And people don't like Riri Williams very much but they like Miles Morales more

[@brittscott4673]

Sounds like a franchise cue the music.LOL

[@subject_changed4690]

Imagine if iron-heart had to earn that name instead of being another Mary Sue. Imagine if she came from little to nothing. With a touch of curiosity and tenacity, while going through struggles, she would make a name for herself. Eventually be approached by the avengers and be requested to be given the name of "Iron-heart" but not using Tony's tech out of respect, only using his designs as inspirations for what she can go for so she can fulfill the roll of a hero, a protector, a suit of armor for the people.

[@huntresskate1561]

"As long as one drop of oil remains, the joyous work continues."

[@shocker271435]

Phase 1-3 was the party you have when your parents aren't home. Phase 4-6 is the frantic clean up to make sure there's no sign of the fun we had.

[@austinreed7343]

What will Phases 7-9 be like?

[@tonyknighton4019]

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@lastdaysproduction8618]

Your parents finding out 😂

[@giovannigiovanni.7220]

@@austinreed7343 When your parents ground you for having the party.

[@austinreed7343]

@@giovannigiovanni.7220 Phases 10-12?

[@nerderonofficial]

Poetic, that the final shot in this video is Toby Maguire's Peter Parker walking away after throwing away his Spiderman costume, symbolic of how Marvel has thrown away nearly everything that made it magical, entertaining, fun, and inspirational.

[@Gr8whitemonster]

Yes…that was the point of making it the final shot…

[@Desecrator6]

This just explains Disney in general

[@spotttttt2843]

how do i like a comment more than once

[@savageshot3723]

@@Gr8whitemonster Yes. The OP acknowledged and further explained it. Perhaps some people didn't get it. Maybe OP felt something by it and wanted to express that. I am curious, do you like KZbin comments that typically go; *place here* : *place here* *place here* : *place here*

[@Magneticlaw]

Lack of writing talent will do that.

[@data7193]

I'm happy to say that an actual good show (arcane) has made 1 billion (netflix did), which is the same amount that star wars rise of Palpatine made, maybe good writing does pay off.

[@madmaxmedia]

I don't think having new characters take the mantle of the old ones is inherently a bad thing, as long as the new characters are established as unique individuals with their own stories. Sam Wilson is still Sam Wilson, regardless of his costume and weapons.

[@toxicturkeyy]

maybe, but he shouldn't have the shield. Captain america is dead.

[@reviewaccount469]

Even if you were talking about it in a generic sense, ie not what Disney is actually doing here, NO nobody thinks new characters taking over for old ones is a good idea. Its lazy at best as a money grab, and at worst its meant to carry a message no one wants to hear. As far as Disney is concerned its both and that is detestable.

[@christopherbravo1813]

and apparently Sam Wilson needs to fill the shoes of a white guy in order to have relevance?

[@Krazzy88]

Funny how everyone hated John Walker, a soldier who was only doing his job but never talks about Karli who murdered dozens of innocent civilians. And even defended Wanda who is literally a monster.

[@roadrage4593]

Sounds like genshin impact

[@SuperPowerCheese]

It's di(F)ferent

[@manavpreetsingh5154]

MOMMY WANDA

[@theheneral2318]

@@roadrage4593 what part

[@roadrage4593]

Wanda=raiden Shogun and puppet Soilder=childe

[@almo6359]

Sheer content can never replace well-crafted storytelling. It's a shame to see what the MCU, Star Wars and many other IPs have come to.

[@jimyoung9262]

This. Best we can do is ignore it. Pretend it doesn't exist (like every Matrix movie after the first).

[@professorbaxtercarelessdre1075]

indeed, i worry about that with Harry Potter after the Fantastic Beasts trilogy, putting the author aside, the story of the wizarding world was still enjoyable, i just hope they don't try doing too much and taint it even further

[@TheMeta141]

franchises used to be Pies. this 1 big thing made up of little things to make a beautiful and filling experience. now they're mcdonalds fries. just cram as many in there as possible and eventually the sheer number of them will hopefully fill you up

[@Dragonage2ftw]

Good thing the stories are well crafted too, then.

[@talynstarburst2l2l2l]

@@Dragonage2ftw go back to Twitter trollboy

[@Mereologist]

It would have been SO easy to 'therefore' a phase 4 after Endgame without escalating. Thanos is gone? That's great, because he was a villain, but he was ALSO keeping all the smaller villains across the galaxy in check. And now NOTHING is keeping them in check. The obvious consequence of the end of Thanos is a gang war on a galactic scale. None of them need to be a 'big bad', but on a tiny backwater like Earth they can still seem pretty big and bad. And now you've taken all the excitement from the Infinity Saga and rolled into a 'it's not over yet!'. But that would require some level of writing talent which Hollywood no longer has.

[@teresar6348]

Also just actually spending time going over the consequences of the snaps. It was touched on like twice? 5 years of absence should at LEAST have 5 years of after effects either physical or social. Then there are the ones you can fabricate. Is that stable for the universe? (Maybe use that to make sure that you can't answer any new problem with "well why don't you time travel or go through the multiverse?") Now there are 2x the people that planets were prepared to deal with, at least at that very moment so now what? Earth is now a well known place on a universe scale due to all this, how is that gonna affect earth when its clear that they still do not have space travel down? (not established anyway, the ships they left on were not their own and even if tony were alive you gotta give him at least a couple years.)

[@paulkielty8385]

No chance Disney would let Chadwick Boseman's legacy lie still when they were caught using Stan Lees twitter account to promote movies after his death. If they could they would use his body like one of those death is art exhibitions.

[@NewGuy2534]

Phases 1-3 felt like they were building up to something grand, and it did and it was awesome. - Phase 1 got us introduced to our heroes and have them United on a team, meanwhile a big bad is mustering his plans. - Phase 2, through some hiccups, had our team stripped of its strength and question if they are really the good guys, while a bigger threat grows in the stars. - Phase 3, most of the cards are played, Thanos is here and he won. It took great sacrifice on the part of the heroes to beat him and they won by the skin of their teeth. - Phase 4:. . . . THE MESSAGE!!!

[@twintyara6330]

Part 4, the milking of past success with woke messages

[@zapatron1939]

Part 4- introducing us to our new hero's and expanding upon old ones

[@flamingosoup6375]

@@zapatron1939 by new heroes you mean Mary Sues and disneyfied versions of good comic book characters

[@urbent3147]

@@flamingosoup6375 nope he means new heroes i haven't seen one Mary sue and I've watched everything (if you read comics then Wanda ain't even close to how powerful she is there, she hulk is always more agile than hulk just not physically stronger)

[@zapatron1939]

@@flamingosoup6375 who exactly is a mary sue?

[@matthewanderson3750]

Imagine if there were actually competition between Marvel & DC to see who could make the best movies & TV shows? Seems more like a competition to see who could put out the most crap and get away with it.

[@evrrrs]

real shame DC shit the bed from the start, the competition could have kept marvel sharp, oh well

[@Jennifer72591]

DC has started taking steps in the right direction, but I agree, wish there was more competition between the two

[@fattiger6957]

WB screwed up DC on film from the get-go. They never even had a chance to properly cash-in on the superhero fad since they have seen plenty of flops, underperformers and the black hole of money that was Justice League.

[@user-vr5zk9ox8d]

The DCU is awful (aside from the Snyder Cut, which I enjoyed), but pretty much all their other stuff is terrific: Injustice, Teen Titans: Judas Contract, Joker, The Batman … All A-Class.

[@kalasmournrex1470]

Doom Patrol is fairly good, though there is some woke idiocy. Peacemaker is good. But overall DC is still in a worse place than Marvel. Give it a year.

[@mrbean3470]

Now that No Way Home and Guardians 3 have been released, I can safely say that I don't plan on checking out anything from the MCU after the decline they've undergone.

[@sicsempertyrannis8731]

I bet they get half way through phase 5 before they see the pattern and cancel the remaining shows and movies. I think Iron heart will be the final straw. You can't take such a flawed character like Tony, give him an incredible character development arch, then have him die an honorable heroic death only to kick his corpse aside with a little girl and think fans will be okay with it.

[@maximus4765]

Ironheart. A name that should be a distant memory, but never quite seems to go away...

[@NeilPower]

Riri Williams is a name that will forever make my ears sad.

[@harbl99]

I will never get over Marvel using the title of an Iron Man pr0n parody film as an actual replacement character. It's beyond parody.

[@jaya5920]

did you even read the ironheart comics though

[@TheNightman.]

@@jaya5920 Retard williams is a thief, that says it all about the comics other than the fact it bombed and got taken down

[@SteveSmith-ty8ko]

@@jaya5920 No I don’t like hand me downs

[@Lochlann13]

The greatest thing about purveyors of "The Message" is that, if given time and left to their own devices, they will eventually devour each other. It's already beginning.

[@not.acommentbot]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/gaHPZINtpJ2Lj80 it's finally here Yes 1 like lol 😂

[@lilmovieperp3599]

Nah.

[@Lochlann13]

@@lilmovieperp3599 Excellent contribution buddy

[@Da__goat]

I guess they realized that Phase 4, The Message, didn't go over so well so now we get Phase 5, The Message...Lite

[@Woozy.0]

I like how you sneaked in a shot of Vigilante from Peacemaker

[@henryblake4051]

"It happened to westerns. It happened to war movies" Good point. Further, when a western is made now, there is no push to rush it. There are some quality westerns made recently (Bone Tomahawk, Ballad of Lefty Brown, Assassination of Jesse James, etc). Giving a genre time to fade can mean some chance at quality in the future.

[@user_2793]

I would really like to see an Invincible-style live action justice league

[@siebenboy]

Old Henry is another fantastic recent western.

[@pygmyhippomusic]

Bone Tomahawk is fire!

[@captainramius5047]

Rango

[@daxtertalon4]

Rust......🙃

[@badmoth242xl3]

The fact that I learned of all these new Marvel projects from you really says something.

[@tommymarco]

sane here , only finding out abt phase 5 stuff now and here . and that is where i will leave it . did not even know phase bore was done .

[@Bobby3OOO]

No it doesn’t

[@SpadeApeiron]

They titled Avengers : Endgame Movie to Perfection ~ its Literally MARVEL's ENDGAME done & dusted.. being Massive THOR fan i'm yet to see Thor Love and Thunder ~ having heard so much shit abt it i won't watch any marvel movies now.

[@dudley8933]

@@SpadeApeiron Thor’s problem was that they wayyy overdid the comedy, I don’t even think phase 4 was that bad tbh.

[@SpadeApeiron]

@@dudley8933 Its not just thor tho. Thor's God of Thunder run with Gorr was on a whole new level of Serious Threat where the whole arc of Thor is to prove to others and himself that Believing in God is worth it.. ending of that comic ( If u have not read it ) its almost full complete circle of thor's journey honestly before reading this comic.. I didn't understand why Thor is so popular with ppl. But really MCU thor = Identity crisis forever.. lol

[@Herosthroe]

Phase 4- a long walk down a windy beach to a cafe that's closed...

[@Friki_gameplays]

I feel bad for Iron Heart, not because she's a good character but because of the opposite: She's a terrible (If not the worst) marvel character, and probably lost her only chance of having a decent adaptation. Think of this, there are plenty of terrible characters in big franchises, sometimes terrible in concept or in a foundamental level, but most of the time there is at least one decent version of said character due to the franchise being big enough. Even fucking Scrappy Dooh has a decent adaptation out there. However the MCU and the whole "only one unified version of the character/story at a time" mindset would imply that we would be stuck with her being a bad character for more or less forever.

[@chuck11duck64]

The reason why, I think, superheroes from the early MCU were so enjoyed is because they all had human flaws. Iron-Man had an ego problem with father issues, Captain America won the war but lost the girl and is grieving over Bucky, Thor doesn’t fit with regular society, and Hulk is a frail man one minute but then a /hulking/ giant

[@eanderson9599]

They’re scared of making flawed/weak characters. The reason why I loved daredevil so much is because no only does Matt get his ass beat pretty often, he’s clearly a flawed human being. But new marvel products try to make every character perfect from the start, key example is captain marvel. It’s just boring

[@TheDuffman1812]

@@eanderson9599 they are definitely afraid of making a flawed female hero or even villain. They feared the backlash of Scarlet Witch going crazy because it would paint a mother in negative light. Can’t have woman looking bad even if that is literally her character.

[@yaaninja]

@@TheDuffman1812 ah heard dr strange was suppose to be in wondavision but they didn't want dr strange mansplaining. Really sad

[@erosion271]

@@yaaninja even worse. Didn't want the 'white man' coming in to the story last minute

[@howardyates4848]

Now we got heros who are mass murderers!

[@renemartinez3451]

Iron Heart’s backstory was that she wanted her teacher to say something racist/ belittling to her so that she could grow up to be successful as an excuse to spite that teacher. The teacher ends up being friendly and supportive of Riri, but that doesn’t fit in with “the message.” So when the teacher makes an off-hand remark about Tony Stark, Riri dedicated the rest of her life to obsessing over Tony, all because she wanted to prove her caring teacher “wrong.” It reads more like a supervillain origin than a hero. Suppose they want to make Iron Heart digestible to any audience. In that case, they’ll have to completely rewrite her backstory, personality, and skill sets, essentially replacing their tokenized hand-me-down with an equally unrecognizable hand-me-down. It’s the same thing they did with Kamala Kahn/ Ms. Marvel. Despite all of the advertising and fake reviews calling Kamala "the Gen Z equivalent of Spider-Man" her book was canceled 5 times within the past decade (and she hasn't come back since). Her popularity and acclaim are completely artificial. They completely changed her powers and backstory in the show just so it can be a decent story. The show is Ms. Marvel in name only. It just goes to show how little appeal this “relatable” next generation of “heroes” actually has. Edit: You can find Iron Heart's"heroic" origin in issue 8 of Invincible Iron Man. Look how disappointed she is when her teacher doesn’t discriminate against her. This is the start of her “superhero” journey. Not avenging the deaths of her best friend or stepdad; those were just unfortunate speed bumps since she was already dedicated to becoming an Iron Man clone. She tries to start a racially charged argument with a teacher in order to reinforce racist stereotypes that she can arbitrarily break again.

[@goofymuffin5264]

Agreed.

[@Undergamer12]

Wait wait wait. Thats her actual origin story? Thats the most pettiest, lame and stupidiest reason to become a hero, let alone become a succesor of a legend like Iron Man

[@scionofdorn9101]

@@Undergamer12 Yup, it is. Check Just Some Guy's video on her. He gives us the skinny on that sad excuse of a character (Ironheart, whom also, as it happens, stole Stark's tech. Think about that. They made a black woman a thief to build her into a "hero". The racism is coming from INSIDE THE HOUSE!)

[@SleepyFen]

Nah they won't have to adjust it. It's blatantly obvious at this point that the hypocrite racist community on Twitter is their target audience, because those people will hype up, advertise and defend any movie or show as long as it's diverse and projects sexism onto men and racism onto all white people. They won't watch the shows for any other reason than to see white people and men get discriminated against, so any criticism levied against the script screenplay and usage of CGI goes straight over their heads and will be met with blanket accusations of racism and sexism strawmanned on the fact that the show's cast is diverse and plot is woke.

[@King-ys8br]

Basically where we’re at the me moment......everyone wants to expose racist and end up being as racist asf as they can be Dumb society can’t just live without bringing racism into every single thing And sadly it’s entering the superhero genre......I remember when we used to suspend our disbelief and watch someone like Superman or hulk punch their way out of impossible situations now all we’ve got is well just literal dog shit

[@vignesh0208]

Exactly! It really irks me that disney-marvel parade black panther around as the first black superhero, when Wesley snipes' blade is right there in its 2/3 trilogy awesomeness.

[@xavierghens6132]

Marvel is the Call of Duty of the film industry. Constantly dishing out the same story idea slightly watered down with only one or two new things, relaying on the success they had years ago to push forward their new outrageous ideas hoping people will bite because it's part of the once beloved brand.

[@brownviking8609]

You know all of the “representation” that they have now in phase 5 is meaningless when the characters or storylines are shit. As the son of Indian immigrants growing up in the US, I found it far easier to identify with Frodo Baggins’s heroic and humbling journey, than any of the characters in Ms. Marvel.

[@nottheonlydreamer9512]

didn't you get "the message"? you're only allowed to relate to people who look like you.

[@JarmamStuff]

Its such a juvenile way of thinking about people: 'oh look we put in someone with some physical trait that mildly resembles you, you relate to and adore this person now' *laughs in T2 Sarah Conner*

[@alvinnugraha5264]

Ms Marvel quite enjoyable honestly

[@norouziman8748]

@@alvinnugraha5264 not really it felt like something Vought from The Boys made something thats easy for you to watch, nothing to question, and tries pushing a message then making a good show, its mass produced and that's something I can't watch or support now I can watch The Boys, Barry, and Better call saul, because everyone in the shows are assholes and i love it and one thing i cant stand are goody two shoes I am happy to avoid all Marvel Garbage thank you very much I live much better knowing nothing about the MCU

[@alvinnugraha5264]

@@norouziman8748 Damn we live in the world where being an asshole is admired and being goody is a trash... Aight man have fun. The boys is good tho, but not everything has to be an asshole movie to be good

[@nboy7]

Drinkers "Go away now" line is literally how i feel when Disney releases anything Marvel or Star Wars these days.

[@That_Guy00]

Especially the Star Wars stuff

[@somericanguy]

oh damn. that's too bad, i'm sure they're struggling without you

[@mish375]

The SW videogames are still good. But that's about it.

[@marcjustinpascasio9955]

@@mish375 True, looking forward for Jedi Survivor and how Cal's story continues

[@mish375]

@@marcjustinpascasio9955 I'm really enjoying Fallen Order even though I'm late to the party on that game. Great story and gameplay. The sequel is going to be fantastic.

[@timbomb374]

The infinity stones where the perfect things to tie all the movies together. Even movies that had nothing to do with eachother felt connected because of them and we knew that Thanos wanted them. Now what? How do you build up the next big Villain anywhere near that well?

[@machupikachu1085]

Galactus? Oh, wait...

[@petartmonke]

im proud of the fact that i havent watched a single marvel show/movie since endgame

[@ShadowRulah]

Marvel is shockingly bad at writing diverse characters. They refuse to give them flaws or let them be wrong or even challenge them most of the time. If they don't radically shift the way they write I don't know how they're going to survive this phase.

[@CursedWheelieBin]

They’ll survive. Brand recognition turns people into zombies. Maybe that’s what “Marvel Zombies” is about

[@dingfeldersmurfalot4560]

Heroes are nothing without struggle.

[@jmal]

@@CursedWheelieBin Yup. "Don't ask questions, just consume product" is a very real thing. I asked a very leftist friend of mine how can he be entertained by _The Last Jedi_ when I can easily point out a lot of its flaws within the first few minutes alone. His answer? "Just shut up and enjoy it. It's a movie."

[@inspecthergadget4503]

@Jun Malabanan sounds a lot like a cult if you're not allowed to criticize it.

[@Boomslayer19]

Especially the comics remember this new Thor reboot dear fucking god

[@ChristineP223]

The great irony is that Marvel has a lot of great, diverse characters, but they’re mostly in the X-Men. If they really cared about Marvel’s legacy they would have started working on those movies as soon as they heard about the Fox deal. Instead they let their egos take over and chose to focus on characters that are “theirs”. An origin movie about Storm or Rogue or Bishop would have done amazing. But no, we need characters that Disney thinks they can manipulate and reconstruct/deconstruct without those pesky fans getting in the way. They’ll get what they want, because no one will be there to see it.

[@therealslimsagey5561]

And whats worse is instead of choosing an existing awesome character such as the ones you mentioned, we will end up with black wolverine or asian magneto. Hell, I wouldnt rule out female or trans Xavier at this point.

[@Windows11Sucks]

Like who cares about ironheart? Anyone? Not me it seems probably

[@mr.doctorcaptain1124]

@@therealslimsagey5561 I could see a Disney executive misquoting you on this comment and saying "See? Even critical drinker fans want a trans professor X! The fans are clamoring for it!!!"

[@mewnani]

I dunno, do you really trust them to make a good origin film for the X-Men in this day and age when they're so focused on lecturing everyone?

[@docsavage8640]

What's an ironheart? 😆 🤣 😂

[@danielduncan6806]

You know who needs roadmaps? People that are lost. If your favorite movie, television and/or game studio has to show you a roadmap, that is the end.

[@jeremywrentzel7390]

Problem is, it's not watching it that makes them money, its us making and watching videos. When we stop searching for MCU videos, then they'll know we don't care.

[@FoulOne]

The MCU has finally caught up with the Marvel comics universe, where there's now just too many titles, too many spinoffs, and too little quality control for people who aren't already huge fans to step without feeling overwhelmed on where to start, and what to expect.

[@BWMagus]

Indeed. It's not all about the politics, although that's obviously a problem. There is a reason comics reboot regularly. If anything, they should have avoided the "passing the torch" shit from the previous Avengers and just started over--new takes, with new actors, on the same basic characters.

[@enderzebak2863]

@@BWMagus i agree man they could have just started from 0 with new characters and would have been great.

[@bethanymorris5750]

@@enderzebak2863 Exactly, so many characters to use.

[@pebblelore292]

@@BWMagus that strategy seems to have worked out alright for batman. There's a ton of animated batman series and content that each show a different side of a character who everyone is somewhat familiar with. This is also true for live action (although somewhat less). One of the reasons I generally gravitate toward DC (especially batman) instead of marvel is that the characters can tell a story that needs to be heard, but the mcu versions of the characters are no longer doing that, so they aren't giving people any substance to make them want more.

[@jesseschreiber3289]

Not even close

[@josephtetley1027]

I think The Boys is a sort of sign of the times. A show largely in part making fun of the superhero genre and blowing it so far out of proportion, becoming so popular, has to reflect people’s views of the genre.

[@jamescarr8196]

Not to mention the impressively well realised chartacters, nuanced storytelling and hilarious satire to boot.

[@wnd9434]

I agree. Its a death of superheroes movies literally

[@derpizzadieb]

Its bad that something feels refreshing for being non political correct and dark humored.

[@AstralBelt]

@@derpizzadieb non-political? the show is a cringe Marxist diatribe

[@spendsshanks6050]

@@derpizzadieb Have you watched the show? It’s very political

[@Daemonarch2k6]

Can we please acknowledge, that the compilation of scenes in the background of this video is better than most of the latest marvel products themself?

[@rotciv1492]

Phase 4's female supeheroes reminds me of a quote from G.Orwell's Animal Farm. "All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others."

[@phoenixdzk]

Thankful for this channel. Almost every other YT channel keeps talking about how hyped they are for Phase 5. Probably because they'll have to review actual movies if Disney were to ever stop making these

[@haveanotherpinacolada]

Red letter media. Haven't even talked about it, that's how it should be.

[@spartanswhatisyourprofessi2825]

@@haveanotherpinacolada I know, right? I've noticed a shiit ton lately on my favorite channels

[@chasehedges6775]

@Anonymous Cheese 💯💯. Phase 5 looks mediocre as sin

[@chasehedges6775]

Same here

[@firstlast9846]

How tf everyone developed amnesia is astounding to me… we’ve sat through a WHOLE PHASE of movies and shows that have been mediocre - in hopes they get better - but all of a sudden.. this is promising?

[@jameswykes9392]

Perfect analysis as always drinker. They're like people at a party that's over, but still don't want to go home. The lights are on, the music is silent, they continue to loiter and now it's getting embarrassing.

[@JonCom3dy]

🤣

[@goofymuffin5264]

The perfect explanation lol

[@fattiger6957]

I left that party years ago. Civil War was the last MCU movie I sat through. I tried watching Black Panther and Spider-Man 3, but was too bored to finish either.

[@tremendousyeet3467]

@@fattiger6957 Aligning *Spider-Man 3* with *Black Panther* is like trying to corolate *1917* with *Saving Private Ryan.* Yeah they're the same theme and setting, but they're made decades apart from eachother.

[@SamK-99]

@@tremendousyeet3467 I think he meant No Way Home, which basically is also Spider-Man 3.

[@russvegaspd]

Best description of the MSHEU I’ve heard! At some point hopefully they wake up like it appears WB maybe doing and get back to making movies that people want to see without having a 💩 message shoved down our throats.

[@drdiabetes7469]

(quantity over quality) is the problem now, and when that happens, and is allowed too long, then the audience will drop its numbers.

[@shdox_]

My thoughts are that Marvel knows the momentum is slowing down. So they're pumping out everything they can in these two years so they can reboot the universe after Secret Wars

[@shdox_]

@LikeAnOwen we get X-men in place of some Avengers

[@specta4154]

i have extremely low expectations for secret wars, i have all the doubts in my mind to support the idea of a ruined secret wars adaptation

[@thothheartmaat2833]

@@specta4154 if mr sinister is in it then its going to be awesome.. but since when is dr doom the god of the entire universe? did i miss something? also galactus..

[@specta4154]

@@thothheartmaat2833 he is one of the best comic villains , and in secret wars he basically get's possesion of the beyonders powers

[@ParadoxPerson02]

They really should focus on creating few, extremely well done projects that are satisfying, unique, and spaced out enough that audiences don't get tired of them, and want to see more.

[@supertrouperJC02]

I have watched more hours of the Drinker criticize phase 4 than I have actually watched phase 4. Keep it up!

[@marconotonfacebook3480]

Indeed. Weird - but the only way to avoid further frustrations. I actually expect Disney to make crappy shows and movies.

[@Galeanthropist]

There is so much of phase 4 that I did not even find worthy enough to 'yo ho' (and a bottle of rum.) Infinite bandwidth, and the cost was too great.

[@Rolilasx]

Havent watched anything post endgame, and yet I still ennoy content about it on this channel.

[@editorahumanas5345]

@@marconotonfacebook3480 yes is really weird not consume a product but just consume someone talking about the product, strange times indeed

[@rogerborg]

I've lost count of the number of times that I've stopped watching _Woki_ or _Girl Hawkeye_ (guest starring Old Man Hawkeye) to go and read or watch reviews of them instead.

[@PeteNice29]

I think they wanted Endgame to be that, but the lure of money is what it is.

[@chucksmalley3987]

When they thought that they could 'weave' their movie audiences into their TV viewership and vice versa they made fools of themselves.

[@thebatman4279]

The lack of a defined, impending threat to the Marvel universe is definitely crippling their momentum. They're just running on fumes at this point and it's not helped by films like Thor: Love and Thunder where pretty much every character treats the central threat of a story like a complete joke. "Oh no Thor, all of New Asgards children have been kidnapped!... but let's just stand around and flirt for a few minutes like a couple of awkward schoolkids"....???

[@lewisbaldwin9683]

Yes because phase 2 had a defined, impending threat.

[@not.acommentbot]

@peter kzbin.info/www/bejne/gaHPZINtpJ2Lj80 it's finally here!!

[@lewisbaldwin9683]

@@spacequack5470 thanos who only appeared for a minute in guardians of the galaxy. Thanos showed up in phase 3.

[@kylelatter554]

@@lewisbaldwin9683 sounds like someone didn’t see any of the post credit scenes😂also just the presence of the infinity stones was a huge sign of what was to come

[@generalmarkmilleyisbenedic8895]

@@spacequack5470 you cant be serious. So pathetic

[@mikesbookreviews]

You know how The Walking Dead had that moment where almost all of its audience walked away except for completionists? Yeah, that's how I felt after Endgame. Now the MCU just feels like staying at a party too long and all of the people you wanted to hang out with there have already went home.

[@anthonywoertz8762]

Yea it’s gonna take an miracle for Marvel to get back on track

[@sarcasticsaber8902]

Exactly

[@uncreativename2979]

Preach

[@nicholasw4994]

Great analogy

[@NeroLeMorte]

Except walking dead did get good again with the nee showrunner and that one feral humans episodes. Fear the walking however is going straight downhill to the cancellation butching block now.

[@mrbeans2425]

I do love how they continue to Brag about all the so called "Firsts" When its been done 100 times before....

[@Coramelimane]

Ironheart is going to be a wonderful dumpster fire when the M-She-U tries to validate a MIT student building a 1:1 replica of Tony Starks Ironman suit by herself in her garage. I just hope her show ends the same as her initial foray in the comics, by being crushed into a baseball by the Magnetic Master.

[@agarthastudio6005]

Disney must be stopped. They seem to be trying to destroy as many iconic characters as they can, as fast as they can. It's just an endless stream of diarrhea that they're spraying across all screens & pages.

[@InvestmentIdea]

*kzbin.info/www/bejne/rHSTo6J7oNB-obM* Finally it's here

[@crvlad]

They will be stoppet only when the blind slaves will start to develop a consciousness (hard to believe) and realize what is happening to them. But it's hard to believe that it will ever happen. The generic MCU fan is not a movie fan and has not seen a movie older than the 2000s or 90s. They don't even know how to analyze or describe a movie. Disney uses a form of media totalitarianism. It is something different, new, that will dominate the future in art. Manipulation masked by emotion. You feel something, you go to the movies. That's how they work. This is how the payer gets caught in the net.

[@bulleyes9059]

​@@crvlad Its literally a series of movies made to sell toys to kids. The rest of the MCU isn't great either, none of those movies are great movies. They are all dumb fun and things to watch with our kids.

[@lilmovieperp3599]

Quick! Maybe if you complain 5 or 6 more time, that’ll put an end to them! Karen out more!!

[@toshman696969]

@@bulleyes9059 yes but at least the first "season" leading up to endgame it made sense and characters were good. i have tried to watch the capt american series and it was so bad i just cancelled disney. good news recession is coming and i hope people will be smarter with their money and cancel disney which will lead to better product. lets hope at least.

[@fidelperez4837]

The problem is that these are no longer super hero films. Heroes are about self-sacrifice, overcoming great odds, and the journey from their flawed selves to become something greater. Something we all want to be. We do not want to be what Marvel has turned these characters into. Marvel has actually turned these characters into those things we don't want to become. self-absorbed, arrogant, and petty.

[@Mr_Mistah]

And they've turned the villains into sympathetic, altruistic, wronged by society types. Not surprising given it's being produced by the political ideology of "evil is okay if we do it"

[@Dogen70]

Like Ironman who was and is self absorbed and petty and lets not forget how Thor got kicked out of Asgard.

[@LockeNarshe]

@@Dogen70 Except those were well-developed characters that overcame those shortcomings through tragedy and failure, they didn't start out that way like these modern garbage wannabe heroes.

[@marknezanuto]

@@Dogen70 it was shown as flow. So if somebody is arogant and selfish and other people/life/plot punches it for that auditory is prety fine with this, its just realistic cherecter. If plot cant see this and show jerk as ideal we as auditory want to see Mary Su and creators being punched)

[@TrueMentorGuidingMoonlight]

@@Dogen70 Both Tony and Thor went through arcs and actually suffered consequences from their worst personality traits. Thor lost his worthiness to Mjolnir and had to earn it back. Tony’s lack of morals and hedonistic obsessions bit him in the ass and got him captured by the Ten Rings in the first place. And don’t forget how Tony’s ridiculous idea of putting an armor around the world resulted in Ultron and the Sokovia Accords that ruined things; it took many years for him to make amends and regain his teammates’ respect, and the ultimate sacrifice he made basically cemented his redemption for past stupidity.

[@timworley3058]

Loved the short-set band analogy, Drinker Oh My Brother. Back when I used to set-up sound & lighting equipment for bands in clubs, we had a gig with a 80's heavy metal band called HEAVEN. HEAVEN was on tour with Ronnie James Dio. They were his opening act, and only did one set. They did their usual set, then went to the club owner to get paid. The owner was FLABBERGASTED! "Ya gotta do another set if you want paid!!" Astonished, the band did their second set. It was mostly ZZ Top & James Gang covers, with longer, crunchier versions of their previously played "hits". It was a great show.

[@tech_mgt]

bro, you called it. You really did.