Drinker's Chasers - Modern Hollywood: Meltdowns, Activism and Fan Attacks

She-Hulk "actress" Jameela Jamil's recent Twitter meltdown is just another example of Hollywood narcissism. But is this just how things are now, or is the tide beginning to turn? Join us as we find out.

[@maxoutrage7270]

Modern Hollywood: Where a writer’s skin is thinner than their plots.

[@mcgee113]

😂🤣😂

[@justinambru8529]

Ooooo good one

[@FreedomAndPeaceOnly]

It is all about the politics of division. "Inclusivity, representation, die-worse-ity" ... cause the more groups & identitys the better they can be oppressed from the only two sides that ever mattered in human history. *_" Rich versus Poor "_*

[@GIBBO4182]

And for some of them the reason they’ve got the job

[@hibernopithecus7500]

It’s not thin skin. It’s strategic. Pay peanuts, get monkeys. Get monkeys, throw shit.

[@CoryTheRaven]

There's a reason why the "heroes journey" of the progressive, empowered female hero is a villain's origin story... "I'll show them, I'll show them all."

[@rajyavardhansingh4491]

Explain it in a little bit more detail.

[@exploatores]

Sometimes I get confused, who is the Hero and who is the Villian. in modern movies.

[@Stormcrow_1]

@@exploatores Who ever is the star of the show is the villain :)

[@Attmay]

Another reason Joseph Campbell was a huckster, a grifter, and a con artist.

[@andyourlittledog]

I always wonder who is watching their cats when these bitter women are out cosplaying their rage against the patriarchy.

[@Tfaonc]

Baggage Claim: "I refuse to believe the best women can be is vapid narcissists" Perfect

[@Fridaey13txhOktober]

@Lala Emm Selfish, short-sighted and laughably stupid.

[@mikevismyelement]

@Lala Emm even worse, they hide behind the veneer of "the selfless woman" potrayed by what they imagine life was like for women in the centuries leading up to this. Very often these women don't have children or a family, they've never personally made any of the sacrifices they talk about. They assume they can make definitive statements on the happiness and wellbeing of women hundreds of years ago. They then completely ignore the millions of men who died in war, crippled themselves to provide for their family, or moved across the world for an opportunity to provide for their family. Never considering that maybe, just maybe, men and women are both drawn in equal parts to make sacrifices for the good of the family/children.

[@paulcarmi8130]

@Lala Emm no! Really?? Who could’ve guessed???

[@lalehiandeity1649]

Hollywood needs to watch more magical girl anime.

[@grandmufftwerkin9037]

Hollywood needs to get back to being more coke than woke.

[@MrLolguy93]

Unironically better times. I'd prefer blood sucking capitalism over this garbage

[@djkymaera]

thats an awesome tag line.

[@michaelpipkin9942]

You look like an elderly Duke Nukem. Hail to the dark side, baby.

[@Tempestan]

Ahhh, the good ole days of the 80's

[@kylecabrera142]

Don't go woke, do coke.

[@yetanotherbeliever]

Baggage claim puts herself across so well. She should definitely be a regular

[@preppen78]

Nice to see there are smart, insightful women out there

[@quantum6641]

A based women that listen then talk? *WHAT IS THIS SORCERY*

[@npcimknot958]

oh that's her?!? she roasts the shit ut of Megan lol

[@johndurham6172]

She could "pick me" anytime.

[@maulstar1]

She really does.

[@nhmooytis7058]

I’m a 70 year old woman and I’m sorry to tell you that for a long time there have been women who were vapid narcissists and an embarassment to those of us who were not.😢

[@Bonesawisready926]

I don't think they were exalted the way they are now. Women's main role models are vapid narcissists (Female rappers and IG models).

[@somebodysomewhere5571]

Internet grandma lend me your wisdom, what is the best movie you’ve ever seen

[@fyrchmyrddin1937]

Quite true, but Jameela Jamil has successfully monetized being a vapid narcissist, whose only talent is her sexual appeal, complaining about being victimized by the male gaze. I think that's a relatively recent phenomenon.

[@jonathanakesson3507]

@@somebodysomewhere5571 we will never know 😔

[@Bonesawisready926]

@@fyrchmyrddin1937 I'm honestly racking my brain trying to think of a time I laughed at a joke she made on The Good Place. Chidi got laughs out of me, Ted Danson and Kristen Bell got laughs from me, only here I couldn't stand.

[@michaelgraham7106]

"Acting is not an important job in the scheme of things. Plumbing is." -Spencer Tracy

[@samblack5313]

Based.

[@mrcliff3709]

I loved him in Judgement At Nuremberg.

[@haroldb1856]

The Mario movie came out just in time.

[@zeehero7280]

I-a agree, itsa very important job, also a-rescuing the princess! -Probably Mario

[@mkeogh76]

Tracy was good throughout his career, but he had a run in the mid 30's to early 40's where he was as good as any film actor has ever been: "Fury," "Captains Courageous," "Boys' Town" and "Northwest Passage." At his peak, he was simply incredible. His portrayal of Robert Rogers in "Northwest Passage" is an almost perfect representation of leadership and command presence. Tracy's "Major Rogers" is the kind of the leader that one would follow into combat. (Contrast that with Morfydd Clark's laughable portrayal of leadership in ROP. Who would follow her "Galadriel" into a pillow fight, let alone into a real battle?)

[@mousec2600]

They decided to target their productions at a tiny niche fringe of society and are now disappointed with not only the size of their audience, but with the reactions they're receiving from the fans they abandoned, as well. They've turned a wildly successful franchise into a mock worthy travesty lacking any wide fan appeal, and they did it just to prove they could. Anything they find negative about how their presentations are accepted is exactly what they've earned for having betrayed the entertainment desires of their traditional viewer base. And they did all of that with a deliberate spite that stems from the delusional bigotry through which everything they attempt is filtered.

[@HerculesBallsInc]

They never liked 'nerds' and 'geeks'. They tolerated them when they had to... but now they're happy to run them into the ground.

[@hitandruncommentor]

And for the second time too. They destroyed the biggest cinematic franchise to that point, star wars then proceeded to destroy its successor the mcu.

[@thehoerscorral8565]

@@HerculesBallsInc Exactly, and the problem lies therein; nerds and geeks, specifically in this case comic book nerds and geeks, are the only ones willing to give EYES and DOLLARS to your... comic book based movies and tv shows. Sure the Avengers were big enough that 'everyone' could enjoy and follow thanks to "marvel humor" making everything easy to swallow, but now that that's done and they're moving on to more and more niche side characters and shows, those 'general audiences' aren't watching anymore, which leaves just the nerds and geeks... And telling them "this show/movie isn't made for you anyway so shut up" isn't going to endear them to you... And it's not like in THE REAL WORLD there's actually enough blue haired blue checkmarks, let alone blue haired blue checkmarks who care about Disney's slop (beyond how they can use them to ratio people on twitter and promote their ideologies lmao), to make any of these new projects break even... I don't know what Disney actually expected with any of this.

[@mkultra2456]

Also they're really gay.

[@greebj]

I think the major focus shifted towards avoiding a negative PR twitstorm, so they have this checklist of The Message Musts (diversity, strong females etc) and Must Nevers (alpha male sexuality, males beating females, etc) that place so much restriction on even the few good writers left that it's just near impossible to come out with a creative, logical story that sells itself as a piece of art. Thus the advertising focus that tries to distract any negative reviews as ingenuine

[@Noin007]

"We're the #1 show." "If we don't get season 2." I feel like she knows which of those statements are much closer to the truth...

[@rogerborg]

"We're going to prove the haters wrong by doing _every single thing they said that we'd do_ ." Galactus brain thinking.

[@incurableromantic4006]

"I don't care, I got to do what I wanted and got paid" Can you imagine any character who *wasn't* the villain saying that line?

[@thedarkemissary]

.... that's literally every KZbinr as well. Including the ones you're watching right now. Widen your field of view.

[@CorePathway]

Narcissists gonna narc

[@incurableromantic4006]

@@thedarkemissary Stupid comment - no one has a problem with people getting paid for good content.

[@thedarkemissary]

@@incurableromantic4006 Just proving you still don't get it. KZbinrs make the videos THEY want to make, not videos they're told to make. *And* get paid. Same as She-Hulk. Your comment applies to both hero (Drinker) and villain (She-Hulk). Don't know how to explain it any simpler for you.

[@JohnWick-rh1zz]

I respect that,most people go to work for money not for passion

[@johnrust592]

My feeling is the characters in She-Hulk are vapid and narcissistic because the women writing this garbage show are vapid and narcissistic. As a friend of mine once told me, "You can't write good characters if you don't have character yourself."

[@davidbraccini4770]

The fact that they had to bring back and ruin Dardevil just to hope to bring back viewers to She Hulk is sad and ironically demonstrates that they have to rely on extablished character to be in the spotlight and not forgotten for how badly written are these shows.

[@ironpulcinella3586]

It's PROOF established characters SELL and wokes one FAIL. But they can't get that through their thick, empty skulls 🙄

[@burtreynolds8030]

Blows my mind that some people out there think he wasn’t ruined

[@josuepviana]

He wasnt ruined

[@DoingFavors]

I didn't watch a single episode, don't promote these psychopaths.

[@MrManueleh]

Extablished I assume means taking an established character and totally destroying its credibility.

[@jasperswarp]

I hate and cringe at anyone who has the word ‘Activist’ in their bio.

[@whos-the-stiff]

And very few of them are active outside of rage smashing keyboard keys.

[@rhyscallinan8891]

That's because it's all an act. they never practice what they preach.

[@bigtdawg2626]

I like what Jordan Peterson said about these useless activists....

[@Pax00Imperium]

"Influencer" is another term that makes me cringe as well.

[@CorePathway]

Activist = Narcissist

[@julius-stark]

The reason why these writers don't care is because it's not about telling a good story for them, it's about the message. Spreading the message makes then feel like they're making real world change, which they are, just not in a good way.

[@sebastianrodriguez8692]

THE MESSAGE. That's so funny when the Drinker says it.

[@taags]

It has made me despise the message and move very far away from it and I dont think Im the only one.

[@ss_avsmt]

If they actually knew how to send a message, they would be writers.

[@julius-stark]

@dlairdiablo You are thinking under the presumption that they care. As long as their message is being promoted loud and clear that's the goal, they've won as far as they're concerned.

[@rcrawford42]

For celebrities, we need something like the Romans had for generals receiving a Triumph parade -- a guy standing next to them, whispering in their ear "You are mortal!"

[@RumourdProd]

Memento Mori. Depeche Mode's new album.

[@LanMandragon1720]

We could just copy the Roman practice of considering actors as scum. They quite literally lie for a living afterall trusting them is unwise.

[@theprogram863]

Yeah but I think many of them parrot The Message because they're afraid of being cancelled. So they let the craziest fringe dictate their work.

[@nicholastotoro7721]

We went from the first Iron Man, Captain America: TFA & The Winter Solder to She-Hulk. That’s a hell of a regression in fewer than ten years.

[@alphacause]

Thank you guys for inviting Baggage Claim onto this platform. If it weren't for this channel, I never would have heard of her. I watched many of her videos, and they are insightful, clear-minded, and very well articulated. It really renders ineffective many criticisms of the woke, about how detractors of shows like Rings of Power and She-Hulk all hate these shows because of their sexism and racism, when an astute woman of color is eviscerating these shows with similar criticisms that supposedly "toxic males" have with those very same shows.

[@aikighost]

The thing is their counter arguments that involve insulting suppoedly "toxic males" do not hold any water and do not win the shows they are defending any new viewers. Woke shows die every season when they didn't need to if they just stood back and wrote them properly.

[@CarlosRenfroe]

Yeah. I've become a big fan of her material. She's so well thought out in her narrative critique.

[@doomspud6302]

That is definitely one of the most important points against all these woke creators and their defenders. When even the people you are trying to support tell you they don't want your support, then you are clearly not doing the right thing. Its sad that it takes this sort of "reverse representation" to even start to get through to them. But since that's clearly all they see, and all they ever think about, that's probably what its going to take to get them to actually pay attention. We have to turn their shields into our swords.

[@brolohalflemming7042]

It's what Hollywood doesn't seem to understand. Promoting stereotypes doesn't mean promoting minorities, it just means reinforcing those stereotypes. They rage against 'toxic masculinity', yet create toxic femininity and don't realise the problem is the toxic personalities, not the gender. The bigger problem is the writing in Bored of the Rings just sucks. Pretty much every scene seems to be either pointless, or goes on a beat or two too long. Sure, it's nice if you've got a horse fetish, but how in the name of Zeus's armpit did lines like 'There's a tempest in me!' escape the writer's room?

[@lukewalken1316]

@@brolohalflemming7042 Logical Flawlessly Logical-Spock

[@markmarderosian9657]

Never thought I'd miss the days when I'd hide my comic book inside a social studies book to read in class, enjoying the feeling of rebelliousness over my lurid reading choices. The hyper energy of Jack Kirby and Steve Ditko has been co-opted by hacks and they've left a medium I love in ruins.

[@Bow-to-the-absurd]

How do we stand against such reckless mediocrity? By watching the classics.

[@FargonNemeloc]

And pirated, so that the industry fears that no income would come their way at all

[@JohnWick-rh1zz]

For she-hulk,the only classics that we can watch is the old incredible hulk series and the fantastic four cartoon There aint much choice

[@CoryTheRaven]

That's why nowadays it's pretty rare if I watch anything more recent than 1970. Bela Lugosi and Boris Karloff aren't going to rise from the dead to call me a racist XD

[@haroldb1856]

No. Get away from the screen. Get in the game. Get involved in your local community, school system or government. Watch the businesses you support to see what causes they support. Produce your own media and entertainment to compete with Hollywood, and support new creators. Go Rippaverse. Read books, good books. And then, sure, watch the classics.

[@looinrims]

They still get paid

[@kadourimdou43]

The warning sign was in Captain Marvel and that female power scene in End Game. They decided to put story and character second place, or not at all in some cases.

[@andrewbyrne2173]

I'd go back further and say the warning sign was the captain marvel film.

[@CodeeXD]

The best part about the girl power scene is the implication a lot of them ran from across the battlefield to strike a pose with their sistas then run back across to go to their original spots

[@FP194]

Brie Larson ruined the Captain Marvel movie with her attitude towards the fans and her phone it in performance The movie itself is fine

[@alexzapf6422]

As the drinker would exclaim. “F off film”.

[@Lenriak]

I'd go further back and say that the first warning signs, in my opinion, was the 'Once Upon a Time' series. So many villains turned into heroes, and the most heroic characters are the women. The only major villain Disney has that I think hasn't been turned heroic yet is Jafar.

[@wjfmarketing]

Having Baggage Clam in the discussion is the missing point of view that's been missing here Critical Drinker. Two thumbs up to this episode.

[@theprogram863]

Yeah these were starting to turn into an echo chamber. It isn't that she disagrees with them, but she's got her own outlook and style that keeps things fresh. Plus the contrast helps develop the ideas more fully.

[@rickerson81]

It seems like a lot of female super heroes lack what make women wonderful in the first place; Grace, intelligence, compassion and subtlety. I think the first Wonder Woman film achieved that.

[@doomsdaybooty1072]

You sexist! How dare you ascribe your modern male expectations of femininity on our blah blah blah...

[@tomnorton4277]

@Captain Mercurian Patty Jenkins seemingly lost the plot. Thing is, she actually can write. She wrote the script for Monster and had no co-writers, only her knowledge of the true story, to draw from and it's partially because of her that Charlize Theron won her first and only Oscar back when that award actually meant something. I don't know what Jenkins was thinking when she wrote the Wonder Woman sequel but she doesn't deserve to lose her career for it because she actually has talent.

[@PolarizedMechs]

@@tomnorton4277 She had a lot of good ideas, but couldn't figure out how to pull them all together into a coherent movie. Not the first time that happened; Spidey 3 was ruined by trying to do too much at once.

[@PolarizedMechs]

@Captain Mercurian It had problems, but you overlooked them because what was good far outweighed the bad. It was just good, escapist fun--and Gal Gadot isn't hard on the eyes.

[@Fridaey13txhOktober]

Member Xena?

[@SpiritLife]

She Hulk can't have her cake and eat it too. Either she's a in the lonely hearts club trying to date in her 30's and facing jerks left and right... OR she's a player sleeping with three different men in three episodes in a row... but she can't be both.

[@bigtdawg2626]

Wow, I haven't even watched the show, but if that is the case, that sounds even worse than I thought.

[@SpiritLife]

@@bigtdawg2626 yeah there's basically no chemistry either, it's just one night stands

[@samblack5313]

You see any snatch or nah?

[@SpiritLife]

@@samblack5313 nothing. Marvel is keen on consistently showing male abs but no female skin hahaha

[@thelaughingrouge]

@@SpiritLife Considering who's in this show would you even want to see any "female skin"?! They took the wildly sex she hulk and cast an actress to play her that is the very definition of "mid".

[@MrLolguy93]

Never interrupt your enemies when they are making mistakes - Napoleon Though it seems bleak, I refuse to take the Black Pill. We were in the same situation in the 70s, after which we got the amazing 80s and 90s

[@gellax111]

Hate to be that guy, but that quote was originally from The Art Of War

[@RKNancy]

@@gellax111 lol

[@burtreynolds8030]

@@gellax111 I don’t blame the guy, Wikipedia has the quote attributed to napoleon

[@stupendous7848]

We got Star Wars in the 70s, plus some classic Bond films. And plenty more. This is nothing like the 70s.

[@gandalf8216]

There is no black pill, they merely renamed capitulation for the memes. There's an ancient saying so old it's impossible accredit anyone or anything: be vigilant, but refuse fear. Be aware, but don't despair. It has versions in almost every language, but it warns us of letting our worries ruin the lives we lead. Free will is a skill, and these pill memes does the tyrants that claim there is no such thing a favor. We choose what we believe, and it's a power we must use responsibly. Leading life as if it doesn't, well, that's the real sin. We're either sails upon the sea, or flotsam subservient to the ocean currents.

[@Cruddy129]

Im convinced that hollywood shows and movies are all directed and/or written by petulant children that lives in twitter Thats the only explanation i can think of as to why there's been a lot of cases rising up about creators literally blaming their own audience for their own failure

[@stxrobstar]

Yup. everyone 'up there' in the hollywood -creation- desecration machine from the writers, to the show runners, to the financial decision makers, seems to believe that twitter is real life.

[@GYTCommnts]

Exactly! "Petulant children" seems like a very precise depiction.

[@stxrobstar]

@@GYTCommnts 🥃

[@thedarkemissary]

Interesting take, given that most of the criticism comes from children living on twitter. Not really sure you thought that one out.

[@taags]

Conspiracy: Or some group tells them what they should write.

[@tristanstadtmuller4874]

Nerdrotic mentioned about gay characters dying. In “Halloween Kills” the woke crowd accused Michael Myers of being a homophobe because he murdered two gay men that was living in his home.

[@30noir]

were* living in his home.

[@tomnorton4277]

Oh no! A serial killer who refuses to fucking die is a homophobe! Listen up woke losers! Michael Myers doesn't discriminate. He'll kill anybody who so much as looks at him funny just for the hell of it. Fuck, they don't even have to look at him, they don't even have to be aware of his existence, and he'll kill them anyway simply because he gets his kicks from that! He's a terrible person who may not even be human considering his seemingly supernatural ability to evade death but sexism, racism and homophobia don't even enter his thought processes because his mind is constantly telling him "Kill, kill, kill!"

[@giulizpaviz6381]

What's the problem? He clearly kill everyone with no discrimination, which makes him an ally

[@DarkPrince784]

Lol I love the implication that a soulless killing machine like Michael Myers would even think of sparing someone's life on the basis of their sexuality. He wouldn't give a shit!

[@cobbler9113]

For real? The guy makes it his purpose to kill everyone unfortunate enough to come across him.

[@gunstargizmo]

The problem is that there was plenty of well-constructed criticism on Twitter, but all of that was lumped into the same basket as everything else. The only criticism that they'll accept is no criticism.

[@stevenlosey3144]

I LOVED Baggage’s take on narcissism. I need to send that to my ex lol. Also good points about social media. I’ve cut it out of my life recently and I’ve never felt better.

[@startedlizard8678]

When the youtubers get more viewers shitting on a tv show then the tv show itself

[@buzzcrushtrendkill]

"I can predict if a character is going to be good or evil based on their demographic group". Just had a convo about that. So true.

[@MrRandomcommentguy]

Attacking your customers is a *bizarre* phenomenon

[@logicerrormusic]

You can actually keep a person down just by compliments alone. You can make them insecure, needy, anxious and paranoid, you can manipulate the shit out of someone just telling them good things. Criticism is essential to life, to growth, but hey these people think they know everything about the world and it's innate in them, adult toddlers still playing but instead of toys they use people and institutions.

[@abovewater6918]

It is great to hear a person like Baggage claim talk about these issues. Hollywood can't use their regular defense of "That person is sexist or racist". But as she stated, she has other people coming at her from her own gender, and also non white people as well. But I think it is important to show that even she isn't on board with Hollywoke

[@jamesavis1]

No you don't understand, she has 'internalised misogyny'! /s

[@nhmooytis7058]

The assumption all women will react the same is insulting. In 2016 a guy said to me “Of course you’ll vote for Hillary.” I asked why he thought that, he said “Because you’re a woman.” I said “I assume you’ll vote for Trump.” He asked why I’d think that, I said “Because you’re a man.” When I told him I was voting for Trump he went into a rant that Trump was anti Semitic, I said “Yes and he’s so sneaky about it he pretends he’s OK with his daughter marrying an Orthodox Jew and converting. “ Of course he didn’t know that.

[@jamesavis1]

@@nhmooytis7058 I think that's what they call a self report right? When someone goes around making claims about other's motivations and their assumptions are vapid and shallow.

[@nhmooytis7058]

@@jamesavis1 to be fair there were lots of women running around telling women they HAD to vote for Hellary or they were traitors to women, my cousin was one. I finally told her to f herself and haven’t heard from her since 😁.

[@greebj]

Yeah well it's hard to judge the totality of a person in more than the 140 characters worth of twit that you violently disagree with, and reading words is hard and takes time, much easier to strawman them as a -ist, boom argument won, must move on to harvest more dopamine upvotes and continue your life's purpose to correct the next Thing That Someone Said Wrong On The Internet

[@timwhite5562]

I swore off social networking back in 2016. I hadn't participated much in it for a while at that point, every once in a while id post something on Facebook, and though I set up a Twitter account a decade ago, I honestly think I might have spent a grand total of 3-4 hours on it throughout. The closest I come to is now is posting a comment on a KZbin video. The result is that I'm all but completely ignorant of 80% of current pop culture: music, TV, film and online personalities. Its always been important for me to be informed, and I never lost the curiosity of youth. When I hear of something I'm unaware of I HAVE to know what it is, so I look it up. When I was younger i could never grasp older people who didn't know what was going on, now I'm one of them. I swear after a month of not going on Twitter or Facebook you'll wonder why you didn't try it earlier.

[@tysonq7131]

“My 1 year old niece knows how to skip ads.” I will pray for her.

[@walkertexasraymond]

Man she’s an absolute breath of fresh air. It’s so nice to hear a lady be real and not like dance around it and slightly agree but try to reevaluate it. No it’s bad because it’s bad and it’s worse because they won’t admit it’s bad and it’s just “men are toxic fanboys”. Even women don’t like it. Bring her on more.

[@SirBlackReeds]

Which is funny because she still has yet to reevaluate the MCU up to Endgame.

[@thelaughingrouge]

When I was growing up I was told multiple times "Don't expect applause because you did what was expected of you." Now we have an entire generation of people thatvif they're not CONSTANTLY praised they have a complete meltdown.

[@npcimknot958]

you see stuff like this. then u see bale talk about his roles and he is so humble and grateful

[@samblack5313]

I know he gets some grief, but that dude is one of the last remaining genuine artists in that town.

[@JustTooDamnHonest]

The Dick Van Dyke Show -I Love Lucy -Bewitched -I Dream of Jennie -The Brady Bunch -The Mary Taylor Moore Show -Family Ties -Full House -Twilight Zone -Malcolm In The Middle -Modern Family Those are the inspirations for the show and given that Ms. Olsen’s older sisters were part of Hull House it resonate with her in the beginning and not to mention that the first few episodes honored the family sitcoms of yesteryear until it collapsed with modern day views. Also I’m 31 years old and I remember when the internet was being used by only big tech companies and the government itself and I did even see a computer until I was 12 years old(it was a big box back then). Everything in this world could be used for a great good or great evil and we are seeing the dark side of social media and how it can twist someone into a monster of ego/vanity and that is in Full display in Hollywood and it is infecting our entertainment and Gary is right it all could’ve been avoided and it all could’ve been different if it wasn’t for some trend that grew into something ugly and now we are living in it. Only we heard the call to arms in the war to save pop culture and the Culture War began and we are winning if companies like Disney and Amazon have to run damage control over because of some people who have criticism for them and instead of being humbled by it they attack the very thing that made them rich and famous in the first place(the paying customer) and they are going to find out what will happen to them if they keep this attitude up and soon enough they will see what happens when you are forgotten, alone and penniless.

[@chrischreative2245]

I’d still like to see a Transformers movie made/played straight without the stupid jokes and quips.

[@clogs4956]

Supposed to be a full CGI film set on pre-war Cybertron. One hopes it’s going to be a serious offering because it’s a serious subject. I’ll take gallows humour but not silliness.

[@samblack5313]

I grew up with those cartoons. Anyone who was a genuine transformers fan was an adult when they released the first kids movie, then the second…. Etc. Made no sense watching autobots ‘hide from the parents’…. Fans of this ARE parents.

[@trolleriffic]

What about a film adaptation of Waiting For Godot with Megatron and Starscream in the lead roles?

[@nishidkhode8604]

I still enjoyed the transformers movies tho ..silly as they were they were entertaining to me.. especially revenge of the fallen and age of extinction...these were my favourites

[@blacksheep9505]

Her having a cell phone in court just shows how much real life experience these writers have.

[@mrkeogh]

Jameela Jamil had the same response to fan criticism as Father Fintan Stack in _Father Ted_ "Well I've had my fun, and that's all that matters." Really mature attitude 👏

[@dronesclubhighjinks]

Baggage Claim is wonderfully good at this! As a woman, I am delighted to hear another woman speak common sense, and I’ve seen a lot of positive comments about her on this video from (what appears to be based on their usernames) men. I am very sorry about these women of colour she referred to, who criticize her for “not supporting women.” What utter nonsense. If She-Hulk had been written by a man, women would accuse him, correctly, of perpetuating negative stereotypes about women, and making career women look incompetent and directionless both in their personal and professional lives. I have only seen the reviews, but the only woman who has impressed me is the Black lady lawyer who told She-Hulk the truth. Thank you for the video!

[@117MasterSpartan]

I really wonder why people are excited for the new avengers films… there literally isn’t even a team and if there is then there’s no leader. We have: doctor strange, echo, she hulk, blade, Hawkeye, ms marvel, shuri, iron heart, (maybe Thor?), falcon, like who exactly is the leader? This team against kang??? Why the heck are people excited

[@667Agent]

Product detected.... Excitement generated... Consuming product...

[@petercross1879]

​@@667Agent where did we get blade?

[@rhyscallinan8891]

God that PG 13 Blade movie is gonna suck so badly. And with just two fight scenes and a director who just quit (and possibly the guy playing Blade) it's gonna be a bloodbath.

[@samblack5313]

PG 13… really? Why on earth?? Man I LOVED Blade as a kid.

[@hope-cat4894]

I'm assuming it's Captain Marvel since she has the military experience and is "the first Avenger." Good luck with that , writers!

[@Pax00Imperium]

These reviews and rant sessions have been carthartic for many of us and give us a means of outlet while just avoiding the garbage products being put out. It allows us to still be part of current entertainment culture while not participation and aiding the spiral that's occurring. I'm glad so many of you have had your views and subs go through the roof. You're doing a service beyond entertainment but allowing those who would be named "Outcasts" and the "Unwanted" to have a place and not feel ostracized and hated as the companies making the product want to make anyone that disagrees with them.

[@legiongamerworkbruhben6058]

America needs to be less shi**y

[@Pax00Imperium]

@@legiongamerworkbruhben6058 Around the world, there is such a great disconnect and difference between the people of a nation and the government of that nation. The US has an extreme of this. The people of the US are not well represented by their Government and Systems of control. It's leading to the people being pushed back into a corner where their only option is pushing themselves out of that corner.

[@MrMacavity]

Writers are 100% to blame for the poor performance of the newer failure shows/movies.

[@dronesclubhighjinks]

I am sure that they stink but who are the people who actually sign off on it? It probably has to go through multiple levels of approval before they send the script to the actors. Isn’t the head of the studio ultimately responsible for what is produced? I’m not sure how all of that works so please let me know if I am incorrect.

[@tomnorton4277]

As an unproduced writer, I ALMOST agree. There are other elements to consider in whether a project succeeds or fails but 90% of it relies on the writing because that is the backbone of storytelling. If the script fall apart, the rest of the movie/TV series goes with it. It doesn't matter how good the acting and effects are if the story can't support them.

[@gregmize01]

Damn😳 "The bigotry of low expectations" That sums it up brilliantly!

[@ojgoudeau]

Well rounded discussion guys. I particularly enjoyed your thoughts on the dynamics of social media.

[@Glockler]

They DON"T think they can do it better, they WANT to destroy these IPs.

[@paulnash9851]

Definitely have the “Baggage Check” lady back on again. She made some dead-on points...

[@joselao9]

I live in Brazil and the only movies I watched in theaters with my kids: Top Gun Maverick Dragonball Super Hero multiple times we couldn't care less about Disney Marvel Star Wars

[@burtreynolds8030]

Baggage Claim is an excellent guest!!!!

[@XXthekingofyouXX]

She’s quite easy on the eyes as well. What a cutie.

[@emirlsanchos6302]

Honestly, guys, the minute you veered into how anyone with a closed-off, confrontational grudge against an entire population will never have a happy life, happy partnership, etc, I shed tears. Because I recently had partaken in another female artist's work and decided to check out her bio. Lo and behold, as if to affirm my slight misgivings, informed by other female artists I'd been burned by, she thinks of her work as an examination of the "subjecation of women in myth, fantasy". Immediately, my reflexes kicked in along with thoughts like "Oh god, here we go!". Because, again based on experience, "Subjecation of women" is followed up with "by men". Or by "Masculine Sensibilities" or whatever negative thing they ascribe to the male gender. Then I felt sad for it seems like every time I become interested in a female artist, there's always a catch. As if 95% of them have this implicit bone to pick with men, masculinity, male sensibilities, and so on. It's just too much for me that I'm so mentally drained, depressed, and hopeless. Much worse when it's male artists that follow this ideological lens verbatim. Hard not to feel so left out, alienated.

[@PolarizedMechs]

They're told they're supposed to feel like that. We're feeling the effects of raising a generation of girls who were told they could be Disney princesses if it only wasn't for those damn men holding them back, and that men are supposed to treat them like queens. They get into the real world and find out that some men will do that, get laid, and leave--they got what they want. Good men want nothing to do with them, because they want to be equal partners, not treated like shit. And they find out that Disney princesses exist in cartoons, and if you want to get somewhere in life, you need to work for it. So they continue self-destructive behavior, assure themselves that it's all someone else's fault, and vote for people who promise them paradise for free. And sadly, many of them will die alone, disappointed, and remembered only by their cats--briefly.

[@johnstrawb3521]

@Emirl Sanchos Meanwhile, women in the West fare better than men in nearly every area relevant to well-being: From longevity to health, alcoholism to homelessness, education to favoritism in the criminal justice system, suicide to violent crime victimization to higher incomes in the most comparable cohorts: childless men and women from age 20 to 40. But they're oppressed, somehow? Compared to whom?

[@zeehero7280]

What I feel when I look at these sad excuses for "Artists" is inherently superior. I'm not so great myself and am keenly aware, but next to these subhuman vermin, I am practically a GOD! lol! But even though it makes me feel superior, it doesn't make me feel good, because do you feel good knowing you are better than a cockroach? no! LOL! if anything its pathetic.

[@Doomer1984]

Spot on assessment of the awful portrayal of women being vapid and free from criticism

[@clogs4956]

Vapid narcissists of both sexes - am I supposed to say of any gender? nah, stuff that - can only write about vapid narcissists. It’s all they know. The self-inserts are their ultimate way of getting supply.

[@marineboy1964]

It's not just a white guy The villain is nearly always a British white guy

[@clogs4956]

Nearly always an English guy, please.

[@Gouthamedara]

As it should be.

[@marineboy1964]

@@clogs4956 Ok if we are going to narrow it down A guy from around London who went to private school and acting collage paid for by his parents

[@GreenClassified]

@@Gouthamedara why?

[@Gouthamedara]

@@GreenClassified its just funny. Brits were able to become the biggest dynasty in the past. Making them villians is just funny lol.

[@DuGStp]

Never saw the sonic movies, but I can’t imagine there would have ever been a sequel if the creators didn’t respond to the backlash with humility and fix the issues the fans had. Imagine if rings of power creators did that early on.

[@white0thunderwhite0thunder71]

My policy has always been keep your career and politics separate because you never know if you're working with a person who's got a different and fierce opinion than you that's holding your safety line. Unfortunately Hollywood producers, writers, actors, and actresses of today don't have that mindset and the customers and fans are starting to let go.

[@aaronbullock5785]

So glad I still have all my movie and show dvds from the 80's-early 2000's cause everything nowadays is shit

[@FireJach]

Dont recast characters, recast the management

[@rcrawford42]

Back when comics were first big -- before TV, even -- the stories were about the superheroes fighting street crime and corruption. Batman took on the mob for selling bad cement to public works; Superman took on the Klan (in the 1940s and 50s!). The 70s era Doctor Who had one or two save-the-universe plots, but most stories were about local villains and helping people in need. Today every plot has to be about a threat to the universe, and the odds of Hollywood taking on corruption is near zero. They'll take on the Klan -- but they'll inflate it to hundreds times it's real size, act as if it's still a force in politics and they'll never, ever, ever look too closely at the villainy of Greens and Antifa.

[@zeehero7280]

Well Superman taking on street level crime in 99% of all scenarios is a curbstomp. there's no stakes. it can be amusing from time to time but unfortunately due to how superman is written, you can't have that be the regular, becuase somehow magically giving every gang kryptonite weapons is dumb.

[@lankycide77]

Makes sense that villains in the real world would write their main characters like villains. Still, I can't help but feel sorry for them. These are very unhappy, deeply miserable and hateful people directly due to their worldview, and it bleeds into their works.

[@TheSchaef47]

Guardians of the Galaxy are the only movies where it felt like they really gave the director a lot of rope. If you watch The Suicide Squad, you can see that James Gunn has a particular way he structures stories and ways he writes characters, and Guardians are of a piece with that. I can't think of another director who had that much free play. Jon Watts MAYBE. Edgar Wright didn't even get to finish his movie.

[@1ParodyCity]

Ah, coffee and listening to the Critical drinker is a great way to start my morning! - I completely agree though, I posted a very short clip saying this exact thing; We do not owe anyone in hollywood our money or time, yet they feel entitled. If we don’t watch their movie, us as movie fans will be insulted over and over again.

[@qasimmir7117]

I remember Jameela Jamil when she used to present T4 and Radio One, she was funny, relatable, and interesting. Now in this new phase she’s turned herself into a self absorbed narcissist.

[@steveouk90126]

5:56 - Yeah, I've met those types. "I'm open to constructive criticism--so long as you tell me I'm wonderful and brilliant and successful and the changes have no viable effect on what I've already done or intend to do." Rather like another artist I worked with years ago: "Tell me how to get better, but don't say anatomy!" Anatomy was his biggest problem, particularly hands and feet. He wanted to be perceived as getting better without changing--just like these people.

[@Pers0n97]

Anyone that pretend they are open to criticism but feel the need to add "constructive" infront of criticism dont really want to deal with criticism.

[@steveouk90126]

@@Pers0n97 Constructive criticism is real. Anybody who's ever dealt with "you suck" as the only response to a work or body of work can attest. The constructive part is when the critic makes suggestions on how to improve--and those suggestions are sincere and specific.

[@Pers0n97]

@@steveouk90126 Here's a pro tip from actual adult that have to actually work with criticism: It's not the job of the people giving you feedback to make nice and cuddly "constructive" feedback, it's yours to be able to go trough their feedback and find the useful information you need. DEMANDING "constructive criticism" is what petulant maladjusted children do because they don't have the mental fortitude to deal with raw feedback.

[@steveouk90126]

@@Pers0n97 Here's a pro-tip from a freelance artist who's been employed since 1997: correct, critics are under no obligation to be nice to the artist. Demanding coddling is immature--see previous comment, re: that artist I was trying to coach. However _constructive_ criticism is intended to improve the artist, and I've used it hundreds of times in my career whilst interacting with younger artists. How they respond is usually a measure of whether they'll succeed.

[@Pers0n97]

@@steveouk90126 Nice protips. Here's an addon to mine from a pro lead designer since 1995: You have to make a distinction between a professional criticism from someone that works with you and criticism from the consumers. Consumers do have (or should) follow the same rules than you do as a pro, and that include the way they will give you feedback. You have to expect them to be way rougher, lacking the expertise to express their feeling or the care to do it in a agreeable way. Part of being a pro is being able to take that kind of feedback and read between the line what the person giving it to you actually meant and why. Even a "that's shit" is a potentially valuable feedback that could help you realize something is wrong here and you need to take a look. Way too many people that like to call themselves "pros" these days are incapable of that.

[@gabrielboorom2683]

They aren't going to adapt anything. They're going to steal a property's name and write the weakest self-insert character they can. That's not even an adaptation.

[@ColemanJRimer]

The reason culture seems to be shifting is Rings of Power. They had NO idea how many different people are Tolkien FANATICS and revere the man as an artist; people of every race, social status, sexuality, etc. When the "writers" and "actors" involved with Rings of Power started calling these "normies" racist for their desire to see Tolkien's world as he created it, it opened a lot of eyes. Even worse, people then saw the show. That's the good thing about these idiots: they'll always prove you right.

[@clogs4956]

There may be fanatics in the Fellowship but, mostly, we’re a bunch of quiet people who know Tolkien’s Middle Earth lore and are not afraid to point out errors in anticipation of the one in error learning something from it.

[@ringbearer1420]

This also occurred simultaneously to many folks catching on to Amazon’s grifting, tax dodging, anti-worker & ironically racist history as a company. Taking COVID relief to pay for you private rocket program was Bezos’ “Let them eat cake.” moment. ROP is the proverbial “straw that broke the camels back”.

[@drspeedycophy2263]

Werewolf by night was amazing no gender politics but great women empowerment without shoving in your face it had a nice art style and was quite gory loved it!

[@AldrickExGladius]

I love Baggage Claim videos. It's nice to get to see the face behind the genius!

[@avelonavelon1611]

When you have to say to yourself "im gonna have a break from twitter/facebook etc" thats an addiction like drugs

[@ShiftingDrifter]

Exceptional talking point and sentiment expressed by Baggage Claim around 12:00 mark! Well said!

[@travtotheworld]

She-Hulk couldn't even have saved Quibi.

[@gabrielboorom2683]

She Hulk can't save herself. Let that sink in.

[@eysha7122]

Oh my gosh it’s Baggage claim!hieeeeee I love your show .. I’m 11:37 mins in only listening and I look up the screen and I just noticed! So good to see you on this platform! Long time fan!

[@rocix.1647]

I gave up television in the '80s, but drinker's videos are well worth my attention. I definitely appreciate Baggage Claim, really hope to see more of her.

[@KLWarlord]

I gave some feedback to someone recently who asked for my criticism on a story they're working on. Listed some problems and points where improvement was needed, gave some advice on what to do, etc. I got told that I needed to learn what constructive criticism is. I said I'd get on that as soon as they learned what story structure is. Fragile egos are cute.

[@brianboisguilbert6985]

I learned the hard way that what most writers want is not criticism but praise.

[@KLWarlord]

@@brianboisguilbert6985 Thaaaat's what I said. Constructive equals praise. I don't give head pats. If you move me with something you write, I'll acknowledge it, but I'll also point out when something isn't compelling and exactly why it's not. There is no participation trophy here.

[@Mr0PT1C]

Gatekeeping is not only needed, its essential to protect the fandoms.

[@MrCdnBeef]

A couple of posts touched on this: Nerdrotic is absolutely correct. I purchased Spiderman and Superman comics for years. The stories evolved kept me engaged. 0% identity politics 0% culteral preaching 0% woke race swapping 100% great story telling

[@christophertheriault3308]

It's been a very interesting progression on what's been happening with reviews. Traditionally, if there was a huge spread between critic and audience reactions it was that critics hated something that was widely popular. This actually makes a bit of sense; critics would be more likely to analyze all the different aspects of media and find faults that would be forgiven by the paying public since the whole can be larger than the sum of the parts. Now things are completely flipped on its head. Mainstream critics refuse to find fault with anything that has messaging in it and audiences are more willing to say the Emperor has no clothes. I'll point the finger at a couple of things for this. Firstly, back in the day critics had more immunity from unpopular opinions since they had job security being paid by informational news outlets. If Gene Siskel and Roger Ebert gave your flick two thumbs-down, film industry backlash didn't matter to them since they would still get their checks from the Chicago Tribune and Chicago Sun-Times newspapers. Nowadays the entertainment media and informational media are owned by the same few companies so there's a clear conflict of interest there. Plus the Internet has spawned a generation of "critics" for which genuine critical thinking doesn't provide real job security and they have a vested interest in getting handouts from the entertainment industry. Secondly is the push for activists to put everything in a binary lens- you have to be either an unquestioning ally or a bigot with nothing in between. So anything pushing the "correct" message is automatically critic-proof since if you find any fault you're evil, sorry, "patently evil" according to the Rings of Power showrunners. Audiences can post their bad reviews largely immune to consequence, but not so the paid professionals who can risk their jobs by courting any kind of controversy. Just look at the guy who had his opinion pulled on Turning Red for simply saying "I'm not the target audience for this movie, and as a consequence I didn't care for it much". I don't see this situation improving at all really going forward as these two trends aren't going away any time soon. You would probably need to have literally everybody stop paying to watch this stuff before the entertainment media admits they're going down the wrong path, but even though the profits are clearly starting to go down the entertainment media can't fault messaging since they're backed into a corner. If they give any statement that implies mass audiences are getting tired of messaging then they're on the side of evil. There's just no good off-ramp here... be prepared to enjoy decades of this stuff. We didn't get into this situation overnight and we won't get out overnight either.

[@unclehobby6296]

Honestly, I don't intend to watch Deadpool 3. Phase 4 has been so awful, there's no saving it. I have a feeling the Ryan Reynolds/Hugh Jackman reveal was a desperate move to get fans excited again. I'm not. I'm over it

[@sigmacademy]

So I've recently watched "The Witch. Part 2. The Other One" (and based on the open ending, it seems there will be a third movie) and was struck at how they introduced brand new female and male characters and how you didn't need to destroy the male characters to make the female ones shine. Everybody was just competent characters (not to mention genetically enhanced supermen and superwomen), with some being more psychotic than others, and you had civil engagements between the characters (right up to the moment where the main character goes FULL Carrie x 10), and even moments of humor that seems JUST right without being overbearing or all over the movie. The MC's discovery of food outside of the lab was SUCH a joy to see as a comedic moment, because it rings to true (especially for me). It's one of the few movies where I'm ACTUALLY looking forward to a third movie. Then I look at Western entertainment.... and bloody hell.... we're falling behind so FAR, QUICKLY and BADLY in entertainment it's not even funny.

[@ski8799]

Great discussion that resonates so well, thanks for all of your insights. I'm just done with all social media except for YT which I keep in check. I recently posted on Reddit what I thought was a positive post about building a more positive community, one that is less divisive and generally more tolerant and I was just destroyed by everyone, I was downvoted to like -37 or something, it was an eye opening experience for me. The silver lining in this experience was the wake up call that I received, I was alerted to safeguard my thoughts and feelings as now even positive messaging is unwelcome. That's where we are.

[@ski8799]

@@robertmusil1107 I see that now, the level of vitreol with which they came at me, it was an eye brow raiser...

[@destinyhntr]

Only use reddit for very specific things. They are so negative and depressing that I don't recommend talking to them. At least youtube is a mix. There are echo chambers here too but at least there's a bunch of different ones and people here seem a little kinder

[@ski8799]

@@destinyhntr couldn't agree more

[@sita9071]

I'd also avoid TikTok too. There's some good people on there but it's more depressing and time-consuming than anything. Also, the misinformation that's on there is quite terrifying.

[@Pollutical]

Baggage claim had such a good point.

[@phoenixhenson3689]

Nerdrotic I completely agree with what you said in the beginning about how writers should stick to the history of the MCU based on the same comics that sold for decades, rather than coming in with obscurity and thinking you can write a better story off the bat. Im convinced very few of the writers and directors actually read the original comics before they film these movies and TV. shows.

[@Paulafan5]

There should be a season 2 of She-Hulk where she wakes up from a coma she's been in ever since being infected with Bruce's blood. Season 1 was her coma fantasy. And obviously a whole new staff of writers that actually like superhero comics and have some comedic chops.

[@JoePrice77]

Guys…love the show, and if I may piggyback on your social media comments…one day in the future - and hopefully not too distant - people will say that social media was our modern day cigarette smoking. It will be noted how damaging it was to everyone, and be treated as such. Facebook, Twitter, etc. will be regarded in the same way Phillip Morris is today.

[@edmundkempersdartboard173]

The pendulum is swinging back. And it happened pretty quickly. As far as social mores go this woke media trend has been a flash in the pan. Seems longer as we are living it in real time, but most things of this nature are generational. This has only been pushed hard, at least in the mainstream for like 7 years.

[@clogs4956]

I hold the sad sack women of Ghostbusters 2016 responsible for a lot of the despicable super-sulks we see today. That and Covid, which really cut down on the supply available to the Narcissists and made them rabid.

[@haroldb1856]

The pendulum swings, but over times moves in a particular direction. What is normal today was bonkers 10 years ago. Ten years from now, where will the pendulum be.

[@hope-cat4894]

The reason for the push was the migration of Tumblr essay writers to twitter where all the politicians and actors were. Interpreting fiction through a political/queer/feminist lens became more mainstream when before it was regulated to small blogs. It was always part of a niche, overthinking section in fandom, and it's losing relevancy because it's not creating fun entertainment.

[@VolvoImpala]

The Film Actors Guild (can't used the acronym) in Team America was a satire of an actual guild at the time called the Screen Actors Guild and they were just as much of a joke and I want to say they were even actually headed up by Alec Baldwin at the time or at least by someone just as puffed up. god, Alec! If you asked me what would happen to him in 20 years I would never have said, "Accidentally murder someone."

[@sgtrock68]

I love Bata Ray Bill. I would love to see him on the big screen, even in CGI. It can't be though and for 15 years I've been praying we can get out of this time line without Marvel remembering him and adding him to the cluster fk of the MCU.

[@AuthorJohnADouglas]

The Drinker never disappoints

[@malcolmapplet4313]

He's kicking ass. Main chan 1mil plus. The last few years he's just accelerating.

[@nont18411]

How is your opinion on the new Scooby-Doo spinoff series “Velma”? They race swapped characters like crazy. They even insulted the audience in the trailer too. And the best part is…it’s a Scooby-Doo show without Scooby-Doo.

[@psully212]

Just ignore it. We've been over this. It's fan-baiting. It's rage-bait. Don't engage with it. They just want attention. Don't give them any. It will fail to drum up support or rage-click headlines. It will be ignored, canceled and forgotten and immediately retconned out of existence if you don't jump in the cycle. Then and ONLY THEN will they start making entertainment again because they have to. This cycle is just another form of control.

[@Ruchikun]

Well it IS called "Velma"

[@notatortoise1631]

It kinda looked like a parody of wokeness, so hopefully that’s the case.

[@burtreynolds8030]

@@psully212 this guy gets it

[@Daemonarch2k6]

Seems like a show that will have billions of loyal fans, and will make trillions of dullarz 😆

[@DrEducation50]

I remember seeing a photo of an ad for She-Hulk on a bus stop bench, one of the benches with anti-homeless bars. Honestly sums up the show quite well.

[@mattshelton7423]

“It’s not about winning, it’s about how you win.”

[@kingcreedo6010]

It's amazing how you can try to make a mental gymnastics leap of "Well if we don't get a second season it means it was successful at its intent and if it does get a second season then obviously it was successful. Forget the fans and look at only the ratings we want you to look at"

[@DJdext]

This video got deep. I'm glad I watched. Thank you for sharing.

[@ReformedSauron]

Baggage Claim made a very good point about the root of a lot of unhappiness being rooted in assuming criticism means that the critic is out to keep them down. It's as much for Hollywood and politics as for regular people. Vert astute and relevant.

[@theprogram863]

My generation came of age with punk rock and supposedly not caring what other people think. It was always more than a little hypocritical, but somehow we've created a world where everyone is deathly afraid of what other people think, when they're not gleefully bullying people who dissent from what the Cool Kids are saying. That's a lot of social media: an endless high school lunch where people try desperately to fit in so they can get a place at the Cool Kids table. Somehow, we created our own worst nightmare, the exact hellscape we were trying to prevent.

[@viktorvondoom5950]

I started replaying Ghost of Tsushima and found a gay love story in it. And it was so sad, for a number of reasons and lines up with the theme. It did not seem shoehorned in at all. Compare that to Horizon Forbidden West, in which almost every couple was so lesbian it was almost jarring (Still love the game, though)

[@anarchychef2216]

Still remember when Disney announced they were buying Marvel..and I KNEW what it was going to become..wet shit sliding down a wall of money

[@PhflyDan1]

Well said Nerdrotic!! Decades these mags have been written, and NOW, suddenly the format doesn't work??? WtF man???