Drinker's Chasers - She-Hulk: Accountability For Everyone Except Me

[@incurableromantic4006]

It speaks volumes about the writers that their ultimate fantasy is not about strength, or even power - it's about never being held responsible for their actions.

[@whatisaman689]

@username and their eternal adolescence

[@Lawrence_Talbot]

All women in a nutshell

[@alzaelnext638]

There's an old Arthurian legend about Sir Gawain called "The Loathely Lady". You can probably find it online but the main lesson of the tale is that every womans deepest and most cherished desire is to simply have her own way in everything. So even they understood female nature.

[@Durzo1259]

Well I mean, that's the definition of unbridled power: accountable to no one. Power over men, revenge oppression, that's their highest aspiration.

[@TonsOfFunk]

Sounds like a villian

[@EnsignRedshirtRicky]

"I can perfectly control myself and my anger." - SHulk "Then that means you have no defense for attacking people, unlike the Hulk that has no control when he changes. So you are now going to prison." - The Law "But I am a girl!" - SHulk "Fine, you can go." - Gao (SHulk's real secret identity)

[@rhysprendergast5842]

@@recitationtohear no

[@Dad_of_War]

Yeah exactly this. The show says she can control it but then she proceeds to try and kill Daredevil by destroying a parking garage lol

[@ramonserna8089]

At the very least anyone would be fined for creating public unrrest and smashing a tv screen.

[@blitz5293]

That's exactly what's going on here, Jennifer Walters ain't She-Hulk, Jessica Gao is She-Hulk or wants to be She-Hulk.

[@truesoulghost2777]

@@recitationtohear hell no

[@zeethreepio]

Jen removes her inhibitor and turns into She-Hulk violating the terms of her freedom and receives NO punishment. Emil gets 10 years. SMH!

[@rogerborg]

But Jen was _angry_ , bigot.

[@Indians-dl3to]

Emil ? You mean that head of Incel Group of Intelligencia ?

[@calexander7495]

@@Indians-dl3to What's worse? Some random guy breaking the law. Or A professional legal representative breaking the law.

[@deanlawliet1353]

@@Indians-dl3to Todd was the head of Intelligencia, Emil was just doing motivational speaking. He didn't even know what the group was, that's why he saved Jen when Todd told the group to get her.

[@Indians-dl3to]

@@deanlawliet1353 Oh thanks. Can't believe they punished Emil but again it's hollywood, he will probably end up being a prison b***h because you know it's hollywood & I wouldn't be surprised if they show him like that in the next season. Just look at Loki for e.g. when he got processed in prison.

[@emersonshiff8132]

I doubt for a moment the writers ever thought they were writing a bad show. The last episode was meta to them and therefore clever. They were having it both ways all down the line.

[@willer3399]

To paraphrase Monty Python, they are that most dangerous of creatures, clever sheep.

[@inazuma3gou]

what was the quote about not having it both ways? "you can't fart in a shower, and not smell it yourself."

[@papalaz4444244]

Emerson Shiff This channel doesn't have any content

[@PeterParker-ff7ub]

then why make it

[@protorhinocerator142]

@@inazuma3gou She-Hulk is all about the show creators smelling their own farts. There's very little point past that.

[@darthkek1953]

Captain America - pre-Serum threw himself on a grenade to stop anyone from dying Black Widow - sacrificed herself to save the universe Iron Man - sacrificed himself to save the universe. She Hulk - demanded to speak to the Manager so she could win.

[@MrZig-ot1bu]

Correction - She Hulk spoke to the Manager to avoid the consequences of her actions.

[@GingerZombie29]

Hulk risked his life bringing everybody back, so his friends didn't have to. Knowing full well it could kill him. Clint was fully prepared to sacrifice himself for the Soul Stone. Peter Parker put his happiness aside to protect those he loves. Doctor Strange was willing to stay in a time loop, being repeatadly killed by Dormamu to protect everyone on Earth (even though time stood still, so it's not really living) Vision straight up told the other Avengers to get the Mind Stone out of his head, even if it kills him Groot protected the other Guardians with his life Thor lost pretty much everything, but kept going, even if only for vengance (at least in Infinity War) Rocket lost everybody and didn't say "screw it" and disappear, he helped build the time machine Scott went sub atomic to stop Cross, only thinking of a way out AFTER he did that Steve let Bucky beat him to a pulp and almost kill him just because he had faith he would get Bucky back (You could argue it was stupid, but still) John Walker learned from his previous mistake and rather than pursue the one who had killed his friend, he helped civilians in need But yay, Jen sleeps around, gets drunk, lashes out at everybody, including her cousin, who is trying to help her. What a hero.

[@malcolmapplet4313]

@@GingerZombie29 Groot's underrated.

[@ryans6309]

I can’t believe there are people saying this show isn’t horrible. On the r/television Reddit most of the people were giving positive feedback of She hulk makes me think I’m almost crazy. I got over 60 downvotes for saying DD was ruined to me because his show is obviously amazing and this one was not. All I said bad about she hulk was that she didn’t want to super hero, she destroys the environment, and her lawyer case against Matt made her look stupid. Got super down vote bombed yet shockingly no one gave an actual argument of why I was wrong

[@darthkek1953]

@@ryans6309 if you are a transexual paedophile then you should remain on Reddit. If not, leave.

[@bobbyflavor5239]

I like how in your interview with Mark Millar he said, "One of the worst things you can do as a writer is to give the hero your voice and to give the bad guys the voice of your twitter enemies." and this show did exactly that. This is the dorks in the writing room trying to get revenge on the twitter accounts that dunked on them.

[@lalehiandeity1649]

And they win in the end, because the show got made.

[@robertcohen41]

These two bookends sum up the fall of the MCU: Tony Stark's womanizing was a character flaw that he grew out of and we loved him for it Jessica Walter's man-hating is written as a virtue and half the audience (or more) hates her

[@Tel-egram_me_InfernoPlus]

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[@nont18411]

Yeah, all of Jen’s characteristics were considered as a “bad thing” for Tony Stark that he must change to become a true hero.

[@InfernosReaper]

@@nont18411 but bad things are okay when women do it, so ya know...

[@Lonovavir]

It's a meme about how the traits of a "toxic male" become amazing when a woman does it.

[@BingBong67489]

@@nont18411 Good point...excessive drinking, one-night-stands, using their special abilities only for selfish reasons, big ego, disrespect towards friends who want to offer help (Rhodey and Banner, respectively). Although at least Stark had charisma. Like did Jen ever show even a fraction of the charm Tony shows here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/laqblXVon8usqpY&ab_channel=AlexMovieClips It's like they took all of Tony's worst traits, and only his worst traits, and gave them all to Jen, and then said "She's good enough as she is without any character growth".

[@nont18411]

Marvel has no rights to teach the audience “With great power, comes great responsibility.” ever again after this show.

[@jackjohn4156]

@username It should apply to humans in general regardless of anything but now no morality should be questioned and we all should follow them like the bots they are

[@petercross1879]

​@@jackjohn4156 "there must also come great responsibility" they decided to reject responsibility

[@haroldb1856]

It needs to be updated for a modern audience. "With great intersectional victimhood, comes no accountability." They could have Aunt May tell this to Peter after she ruins Uncle Ben's life with false accusations.

[@stevendorsey4850]

@@petercross1879 The way they say it now, "There must also come great responsibility", makes them sound like they aren't really sure of themselves. That it's more of a philosophical conjecture, than them writing a character that epitomizes what it means to be a self-sacrificing hero to the common individual.

[@petercross1879]

@@stevendorsey4850 I've read Amazing Fantasy 15. The quote is "With Great Power, There Must Also Come Great Responsibility"

[@joselao9]

"resistance to female characters"... I am a 46 year old father of 2, and I absolutely love (the original versions of) a couple of female characters. let's name a few: Jean Grey Invisible Woman Catwoman Storm Wonder Woman Power Girl Fire Ice Saturn Girl Black Canary Starfire Harley Quinn Emma Frost Kitty Pryde She-Hulk Vampirella Black Cat Witchblade Red Sonja Mystique Lady Death Plaster of Paris Poison Ivy Elektra Scarlet Witch Wonder Girl ElastiGirl (both of them) Enchantress Big Barda Silk Spectre Phantom Lady 17h Phantom (Julie Walker, MD) Rogue Zatanna Baroness Batgirl Supergirl Spider Woman Spider Gwen Talia al Gul Madame Mirage Valkyrie Lady Sif Lady Blackhawk Shanna She Devil Rose Wilson Huntress Wasp Hawkgirl Lady Liberty Vixen Dagger X23 Ellen Ripley Lara Croft Sarah Connor Hit Girl Leia Organa Beatrix Kiddo, the Bride Imperator Furiosa Clarice Starling Marge Gunderson Jackie Brown Rita Vrataski (killer Angel of Verdun) Galadriel(of course Cate Blanchett) Lieutenant Uhura Xena Dana Scully Buffy Olivia Dunham Faye Valentine Bulma Misato Katsuragi Ponyo just "of top of mind"... no, we don't need the "genius" of Jessica freaking Gao

[@InfernosReaper]

Speaking of Buffy, there's a great comparison to current era "strong women" characters there. Basically, they're like if Dawn just inexplicably become super powerful(like the strongest slayer ever or if the power of being A Key actually meant something beyond the Glory arc), an unbeatable champion someone whom everyone swoons over.

[@IN-tm8mw]

@@InfernosReaper Kim Possible also fits that too.

[@YophiGames]

SILK was cool too.

[@MegaroadProducciones]

It's funny that I have a similar list. Moreover, if I compare it with my list of male heroes, the latter is much shorter, resulting in the fact that I may have 20, 30 female characters that I admire (i.e. that I adore and RESPECT). And my list of male heroes that I respect and admire, must be, at most, between 10 and 15. It is something that I myself wonder how this can be possible. Whereupon I can only assume that I am judging the male characters more harshly than the female characters.

[@InfernosReaper]

@@MegaroadProducciones Or, it could just be more effort was made with those compared to the dude characters, so they shine more... Maybe it's both...

[@lotsofspots]

They keep referring to She-Hulk as a "superhero", but aside from that one courtroom scene in the first ep where she stopped the jurors getting hit by a table, I can't think of a single heroic thing she does.

[@Tel-egram_me_InfernoPlus]

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[@tonyruby4467]

Plus she keeps telling people she's not a superhero. So much inconsistencies in that show

[@alzaelnext638]

That wasn't even really heroic either. She acted reluctantly because her friend badgered her into it. She was taking cover with everyone else, watching it happen until then. So those people would have died.

[@LordBaktor]

Because they think "Superhero" is the name of everyone with powers that isn't a supervillain.

[@kathleenhensley5951]

She's not a superhero. To be a hero if you have to have the chance to fail and learn. You have to do heroic (self sacrificing) things. You have to care about others and be willing to suffer. She's none of those things. She's not strong enough. She's a child in a grown body. She would have never fought Thanos or Loki. She might break a nail or actually see a friend, die.

[@Demon_InDaHouse]

The She-hulk series is incredibly bad because that uncanny gang of writers used it as a sort of therapy for themselves. I'm wondering why marvel didn't simply hire a group of regular therapists for them instead, it should have turned out much less expensive than that massive alienation of the fan base.

[@incurableromantic4006]

It's bitter middle aged women fantasizing that they can treat people like shit and never be called out on it.

[@CobraDBlade]

That requires the writers to admit that they have a problem though. In their minds they are just so absolutely perfect that everyone else is just jealous and petty.

[@davfree9732]

Much as Vegeta worked to find a power beyond Saiyan, Shulk writers worked to write a therapy beyond therapy.

[@jessicalacasse6205]

wow

[@megaman37456]

@@davfree9732 Yeah, except for Vegeta he put in the time and effort and actually accomplished his goal. These writers, not even close.

[@darkhawk4863]

Don't forget: Titania is *also* never held accountable for her actions. First episode, she literally destroys a courtroom and attempts to murder people... for literally no reason, and this is never even referenced again. I think there's a throwaway line in the second episode that she was fleeing from traffic court... which is doubly ridiculous, because she's rich, so can just cut a check and leave traffic court. But, no, she destroys a courtroom, attempts several murders, and is out and free and filing trademarks later. And then when Jen re-writes reality, she doesn't even address Titania... who was there, with as little reason to be there as ... anywhere else she turns up in the show, really. Titania was honestly pointless to the show. Her lawsuit drove the threadbare "plot" of like... half of an episode, the rest of her appearances are literally just to fill time, and have no lasting consequences, to the show, or to Titania, despite the nature of her crimes.

[@powelson20]

Titania was the worst casting ever and badly written villain. She was so useless and honestly pointless. Fuck it would be better the get some six foot plus woman POC sportstar and turn her them "bad" heck add some sort of fighting the system social justice woke warrior would have been interesting. Nope you make the villain a vapid influencer and use an actress that does not even reflect the power of the character. God she looked like a kid playing dress up eventbing was so large.

[@inazuma3gou]

The thing is, The Super Soldier Serum (or Hulk's blood) amplifies whatever that is already inside of the taker. In Hulk's case it was anger. Steve, the good Bucky, loyalty... in case of Jen's case, her wokeness. All is consistent.

[@francisong94]

I like to believe its the writer's fault rather than the character at this point, cause Jennifer Walters does not deserve this shit

[@TonyP_Yes-its-Me]

They've created a situation that breaks the MCU. Not in a "this shows shit, they've ruined my favourites" way, but this is now a world in which she can change anything in it she doesn't like. She never has to fight a bad guy. She never has to be poor. She never has to be lonely. She never has to be sad. All she has to do is pop out of her show, and change it into something she likes more. Imagine if she popped out her reality, and wrote out Thanos, coz he was a downer.

[@Tel-egram_me_InfernoPlus]

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[@bighand1530]

The title of “Endgame” is more than just a title.

[@kathleenhensley5951]

Very right, now, there is a safety hatch in the Marvel universe. They just blew the wad on a cheap trick. Why not bring back Asgard, Odin, Loki and Frejya? Why doesn't Spiderman (his writers ) bring back his beloved Aunt, or in the original version of his story, his uncle? One of the great virtues of fiction is that we accept the illusion that it isn't written words on a page, or pictures on a screen, when are reading or watching it IS real. Real consequences, real sorrows, real joys, real loves, real hates... That ... we accept the same rules that we accept in real mortal life. Death is a fact we must all face. People leave. We fail. Our lives aren't always easy. We don't always get everything we want. One of primary use of fiction is it helps us face the unpleasant realities of life without having them to endure them personally.

[@InfernosReaper]

The show show somehow managed to give itself less consequences than Rick & Morty, a show about dude and he family who go out of their way to avoid consequences with a surprisingly large amount of success

[@bdpickett]

K.E.V.I.N. said they patched that out so she couldn't do it again.

[@dudesayingthings]

"morality goes out the window when a woman does it" SPOT ON.

[@Tel-egram_me_InfernoPlus]

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[@thedappermagician6905]

No need to scrutinize your only morality when you're the 'good guy' out the gate

[@dudesayingthings]

@@thedappermagician6905 exactly.

[@zarinavarina8580]

Because women's feelings practically arbitrate morality today.

[@nont18411]

Whenever any female MCU heroes were criticized, there will always be the fans who said “What about Tony Stark? He did so many terrible things and you all still love him. Is it because he’s a straight white man? You misogynistic asshole.” Well, Tony Stark did many bad things but Marvel never missed any opportunity to criticize his actions. He always learned from his mistakes and improved himself. Also, there is a movie called Captain America: Civil War and the reason TeamCap existed in the first place because Steve and co disagreed with Tony’s actions. Unfortunately, they will never do the same thing to Jen, Wanda, Valkyrie and Yelena.

[@incurableromantic4006]

And Tony Stark is presented as a deeply flawed person - you're not supposed to admire *everything* about his character. His origin story is about him being selfish and callous and then learning to be better.

[@nont18411]

@@incurableromantic4006 God, I miss Tony. His character development was so great that it feels weird that he exists in the same universe as Jen.

[@neilrobinson4494]

TeamCap existed in the first place because Steve and co disagreed with Tony’s actions. Not really, the Rogues existed because Rogers and the others believed they should be able to do whatever they wanted without regard to laws in the countries they were in. It was about them being self-absorbed, not about Tony.

[@spongebobsucks12]

@@incurableromantic4006 yeah and you can relate to those flaws. A lot of us struggle with patience, our ego, or even alcohol. But just like Toni, those bad flaws don't mean we're bad people.

[@Alex-yd2dy]

I don't know what Yelena even did wrong to have consequences for, besides the Red Room stuff, which she didn't have any control over. Wanda does get called out. Admittedly the way it was executed wasn't great, but she literally drops a mountain on herself after realizing what she did. Valkyrie probably should have a bit more in terms of consequences for the whole literally selling people into slavery thing, but the fact that she isn't the main character and basically just exists for comic relief makes it difficult to give her a full character arc, I guess? And I'm not going to even try to defend Jen.

[@jameslyons6655]

With Stan Lee “With great power comes great responsibility” She Hulk writers “With great power comes no accountability”

[@nont18411]

Skyler White is one of, if not the most hated female character in tv history but nobody ever considered her as a poorly written character because the writing about her was actually good and she’s always held accountable for her actions (and Anna Gunn the actress, she is truly brilliant). Shame that we won’t get any character like her ever again.

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[@JadeRunner]

She's the most hated female character in TV history? Why?

[@BartDRockTroll]

@@JadeRunner Breaking bad

[@chasehedges6775]

Anna Gunn, her actress, is amazing as well and she and Bryan Cranston have wonderful chemistry as husband as wife.

[@30noir]

The writers didn't actually anticipate the audience hating her though so its not like they were that aware.

[@toddb9313]

Well they definitely did not look at a single law book. She took a plea deal and so admitted to being guilty. You don't get a conviction you pled guilty to overturned, nor would you ever get your licence to practice back.

[@Jabberstax]

It's amazing that She-Hulk managed to perfectly encapsulate just about everything that's wrong with modern feminism.

[@protorhinocerator142]

Even with literal superpowers you're a petty whiner and a professional victim.

[@ajsouza3720]

It's not modern feminism

[@axiss5840]

@@ajsouza3720 No True Scotsman at work. Gao flaunts herself as a feminist. The show is openly feminist. It is described in all accounts as a feminist show. It is a show about literal 'female empowerment'. Just because you don't want it to be feminism doesn't mean it isn't.

[@ajsouza3720]

@@axiss5840 You misunderstand. It's not *JUST* modern feminism. It's all of it. Root and stem.

[@therealgreg5653]

@@ajsouza3720 This is consider third wave feminism 1st wave was just the movement to vote pretty much which was really fine (the USA movement, the UK movement was more extreme). The 70s is when all this insanity of "woman empowerment" started, That 70's Show really showed this great with what they did to Donna and her parents.

[@heraldofwar]

This is what makes a strong female character for 'modern audiences' they do what ever they want to with zero consequences. This is so blatant in the M-SHE-U and the awful rangs of power show.

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[@HerculesBallsInc]

Rings of Power taught me that a 'strong woman' is one whose quest for genocide is only interrupted by constant threats on every one of her friends and barely restrained homicidal rage.

[@ryans6309]

I can’t believe there are people saying this show isn’t horrible. On the r/television Reddit most of the people were giving positive feedback of She hulk makes me think I’m almost crazy. I got over 60 downvotes for saying DD was ruined to me because his show is obviously amazing and this one was not. All I said bad about she hulk was that she didn’t want to super hero, she destroys the environment, and her lawyer case against Matt made her look stupid. Got super down vote bombed yet shockingly no one gave an actual argument of why I was wrong

[@truesoulghost2777]

Rey Skywalker….

[@truesoulghost2777]

@@ryans6309 bro I wouldn’t give any credit to reddit

[@garym6315]

The fans aren't accepting of female superheroes? Well we've been accepting of comic book superheroes for half a century, and we were the ones who wanted a Black Widow movie while the character was still actually alive. We weren't the ones who refused to make the movie until it was needed to launch her replacement. Maybe Gao and her cohorts should aim their frustration at Feige.

[@margarethmichelina5146]

Those people forgot Wonder Woman 2017 existed (Let's just forget the terrible sequel) Back then, Marvel hasn't dared to have their own solo female superhero movie until DCEU released Wonder Woman until they released Captain Marvel at 2019, few months before Endgame.

[@christinabrenneman7641]

I was so dissapointed by the black widow movie. I felt like it didn't do her justice.

[@GingerZombie29]

100%. A spy thriller with a bit of superhero thrown into the mix. Like The Winter Soldier but more espionage. Showing Natasha decieve, seduce, lie and fight her way to her goal. I would love to see that movie.

[@Arthas30000]

The fact that a lot of detractors of the show point at the comics Jen/She-Hulk and praise it as pretty damn good comics storytelling SHOWS that they do not criticize based on the fact that the protagonist is a woman. They criticize BAD writing, and poorly written protags

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[@ryans6309]

I can’t believe there are people saying this show isn’t horrible. On the r/television Reddit most of the people were giving positive feedback of She hulk makes me think I’m almost crazy. I got over 60 downvotes for saying DD was ruined to me because his show is obviously amazing and this one was not. All I said bad about she hulk was that she didn’t want to super hero, she destroys the environment, and her lawyer case against Matt made her look stupid. Got super down vote bombed yet shockingly no one gave an actual argument of why I was wrong

[@Arthas30000]

@@ryans6309 Yeah, you nailed it. Daredevil WAS ruined by this show. Jen is NOT a super hero, and calling this a legal comedy is insulting. The amount of people who like this is the vast, vocal minority I find :) so don't lose your hope!!

[@guyvizard549]

Most of the people praising it don't have an argument to stand on. They tend to (ironically) go the 'troll' route: "Does it feel good writing about a show you hate so much! LOL!" "Man, what a miserable critic. Why you watching if you don't like it, bro?" "This critic needs to be FIRED (with 'clapping' emojis.)" "It's great. get over it." "It just like comic. And it good better." Children and idiots.

[@protorhinocerator142]

I for one was quite disappointed that the show was nowhere near as good as the comic book, which I loved. Jessica Gao is no John Byrne.

[@Jajais4u]

The lack of accountability for her actions was the craziest thing I've seen on TV in a while. She should've been at least disbarred for her actions but everyone else suffers them

[@johnochiltree1170]

She hulk breaks the fourth wall to talk to the manager.

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[@ukyba]

The best part is that Jen has the same restrictions placed on her that Emil has. But he broke his "probation " and was sent to prison, but she broke hers as well and got no consequences...

[@Loffeleif]

It would be better if we all ignore Marvel and avoid giving them hatewatch views tbh.

[@rclaws3230]

Four guys on a commentary panel hatewatching so nobody else has to won't support the show as long as the general audience watches these guys and not the show. Let the content creators siphon off the corporate viewership and make money from their bullshit. Maybe the big companies will get the idea.

[@Durzo1259]

There's no views when you torrent. 🙂

[@Necro-s]

@@Durzo1259 *he's a pirate* starts playing 🏴‍☠

[@rudegarami6738]

That’s why I let the Drinker sift through this shit so I don’t have to waste my time :)

[@odiumgeneris729]

@@Durzo1259 torrenting it?! That's pathetic. Anyone that does that is pathetic.

[@CplYakob]

Imagine being so thoroughly insecure that not only is your heroine's grand, overarching antagonist literally "mean internet commentators", you have your heroine break reality within her show to essentially activate godmode and delete said fearsome threats.

[@TheAutistWhisperer]

The dog in the background is loving life.

[@tailedgates9]

I JUST noticed him. XD He is chillin.

[@malcolmapplet4313]

Unceremoniously passed out.

[@dieseltyme]

SHE HULK: We need to fix the status quo! KEVIN: How? SHE HULK: Just give me what I want!

[@steveruiz1993]

Someone should do a voice over edit with She-Hulk/ Jennifer Walters telling Bruce that she is in control "infinitely more than" him, while show casing clips depicting her doing the opposite. It would make the point that the show runners are contradicting themselves.

[@eeveeofalltrades4780]

Not to mention Bruce is the one who once possessed near-infinite power and was able to use it properly despite the pain

[@Wolffman109]

Knowing the Internet, something like that probably already exists.

[@AC89-o9n]

Meanwhile Drinker's dog is having a ball in the background.

[@heinricho]

I feel for the creators of this show because if it reveals anything it's how unfulfilled and miserable they are

[@techguydilan]

Yep, it was just an escapism piece.

[@stevenschnepp576]

I don't. They chose to be unfulfilled and miserable.

[@hieronymus4120]

Mauler: "Why are you making the Nazi the one that does that?" It's an old underhanded writing trick, Mauler. If you can't refute a criticism against yourself as a writer, just write the criticism into the mouth of a villain. It probably won't convince your critics, but it'll do the next best thing: Demonize them.

[@joshuashaw2923]

It’s the first step in propaganda

[@justinsane1119]

Storm and Jean Grey have literally been some of my best friends favorite X-men since the 90s. This is the problem with these people unfamiliar with the source material and why gatekeeping is necessary. Because they are bringing in their own pre conceived notions and assumptions which are horribly wrong and creating the show around that instead of trying to just make a good story

[@mysticonthehill]

Exactly. If a character has been popular it just might be that there are better written then whatever lame idea you might have to make them Kewl

[@josephsalmonte4995]

Accountability is kryptonite to modern women. Not just writers.

[@incurableromantic4006]

I have a theory this is why previous generations didn't want to give women the vote - it wasn't that they thought women were stupid, they feared that they don't connect actions with consequences.

[@SpiceCh]

@@incurableromantic4006 Mask off moment 🤡

[@ajsouza3720]

The Monkeys legacy lives on.

[@Lundarian1]

@Joseph Salmonte A certain type of woman, please don't lump them together with the sane ones.

[@ajsouza3720]

@@Lundarian1 Then they better start policing them all.

[@asdfdfggfd]

I really want to see Karl Urban play Drinker in the She Hulk movie.

[@AJadedLizard]

If you want an example of how characters are treated differently, look at all the people who still blame Star Lord for snapping after he found out his dad killed his mom and had to kill him in turn, lost his actual father, and then found out his girlfriend's dad murdered her, and look at how many people still defend all the horrible things Wanda has done (from mind raping Tony into creating Ultron to kidnapping an entire town to murdering dozens of people). There's absolutely a double standard, and it's not the way they think.

[@eeveeofalltrades4780]

And Star-Lord is pretty much just some regular guy, he doesn't have powers (not anymore) or anything, he's just some guy who never gets a win, so it's very understandable he'd snap after so much. Whereas Wanda willingly used her powers wrong and did a lot of bad things for Ultron (even if she didn't know his final goal, she knew what she was doing).

[@AJadedLizard]

@@eeveeofalltrades4780 I mean, even the powers aren't the issue. I would hold him and Wanda to the same standard...most MCU fans won't, though, and when you point out that by any objective metric Wanda has *always* been a villain, you get called a misogynist for your trouble. Female characters can have flaws, they're just not allowed to be treated like flaws or talked about apparently.

[@TheFarCobra]

Critical dog looks like she is happy and feels safe.

[@zardox78]

She seems so proud of herself for being right that people would dislike the show. Predicting that literally anything will have its detractors is like predicting that the sun will rise in the morning. It's so obvious that most people consider it a waste of time to point it out. But, for this particular show... damn. Like the word "obvious" just doesn't do it justice. I guess for some people, predicting that the sun will rise and then being right, is like knocking it out of the park.

[@calexander7495]

I predict that if I shoot my own foot I will walk with a limp henceforth. Now behold and see that I am a prophet.

[@queazy03]

No heroes journey or punishment. Tony Stark got captured as a hostage, almost died, had a car battery attached to his heart, and had to create Iron Man to free himself. This was his punishment & trial, and why the audience could forgive his arrogance (which he was punished for). Jen gets everything on a silver platter but always thinks she's the victim

[@chasehedges6775]

She-Hulk is a show that exists and a show that will be forgotten to the ravages of time. I'm glad I didn't watch it.

[@Tel-egram_me_InfernoPlus]

Contact me for your reward 🎉

[@raemarie1284]

agree its not good I have to admit I did try and watch 1st episode not even a min into it nope can't its ridiculous show

[@spencergsmith]

Uncle Ben: “With great power, comes great responsibility.” She-Hulk: “Nah, it’ll be fine.”

[@pezdispencer113]

Nono, she is judged differently from Hulk with her anger. People fear an angry Hulk, whereas people handwoven what an angry Jen does and don't hold her accountable.

[@theelder4797]

"How do you write women so well?" "I think of a man, and I take away reason and accountability."

[@bigorange2082]

You knew the writers’ egos were so big they had to put themselves in the show. We all knew that was coming.

[@gaplauche]

"Morality is a fickle mistress in the world of She-Hulk, because it seems to apply to everyone except the main character. And maybe that tells us more about the writers than the show they've produced." It's a lesson on the nature of wokeness too.

[@JenniferMcMahonhawaii78]

As far as I remember, no one had a problem with Jessica Jones with her series when it was on Netflix. I honestly feel, Jessica Jones is so underrated people forget she actually has a Marvel series, granted on Netflix originality, but it’s since been moved over to D+. Funny thing D+, is the grade you’d give these new MCU adjacent series.

[@Wolffman109]

That seems a little too generous.

[@forgivemenot1]

I find it funny that the writers are crowing about how self-aware they are while being totally oblivious about their total lack of self-awareness.

[@rixius1005]

I was gonna compare these so-called "writers" to children but then I realized that children can actually handle criticism.

[@Jetblast01]

She-Hulk is on par with Chris-chan levels of writing. The way it calls out those "dang dirty" trolls making them the main antagonists...it's exactly that but on a big budget.

[@MrPjw5]

So writing She-Hulk is what Chris has been doing since his/her incarceration. Actually it makes a fair amount of sense.

[@authorrayrogers]

The thought of saying 'fuck you' to the viewers doesn't come from a place of hiding what they know is a shit show. The quality of the show isn't even on their radar. They already think the show is perfect, not because of its quality, but because of its messaging. That vitriol towards the fans comes from seeing criticism as an attack on their social agenda, not their writing skills. They are completely incapable of separating the quality of the show from what they're trying to say with it... because what they're trying to say is more important, to them, than anything else.

[@TheGenXGeek]

I read Marvel comics from early 80's thru mid 90's and I loved She-Hulk comics, even more than the Hulk comics.

[@Tel-egram_me_InfernoPlus]

Contact me for your reward 🎉

[@barryklohr503]

I loved Critical Doggo roaching on the floor behind the Drinker, sound asleep.

[@WilliamTheMovieFan]

Yeah, I remember the She-Hulk comic book being really fun and different. I wasn't a regular fan of it, because I was a bit older when it first came out, but when I did buy the comic it was always a fun read. I also enjoyed her crossovers with other Marvel comics.

[@seanmedlock]

"Imagine preemptively hating the fans of your show." See also the VELMA trailer.

[@BennysGamingAttic]

You know what would really have "owned" the haters? A show so fucking good that everyone liked it

[@SRow_Plays_Games]

Pure narcissism!! Gets superpowers and doesn't help anyone except herself

[@yurtthesilentgod1225]

Drinker so glad you made it! Been following you since your resident evil 2 retrospectives. Glad to see you so big! Also love the other guys! Hail all!

[@imranhq13]

looks like you're someone who knows drinker from his early times

[@nickdipietro7797]

Now we just need Deadpool shitting on She-Hulk’s show in third person haha

[@blitz5293]

I think in my humble opinion The bride from Kill Bill, played by Uma Thurman, is a perfect example of a good female character on the big screen. We didn't see any sexism or criticism there, did we?

[@DlcEnergy]

This all reminds me of a Simpsons gag. Woman talkshow host: "Men." Female audience: "Boo!"

[@Mr.Gnomebody]

A weird issue I've noticed is that writers seem to treat hulking out as a metaphor for unjustified anger/temper tantrums/toxic masculinity. What they seem not to understand is that when you're a hulk it doesn't matter if your anger is justified or not. You could be completely in the right and would still need to swollow your anger, because you losing control at all means potential mass destruction.

[@christopherbowers7236]

They had a chance in that prison scene to have her face up to the reality of her power finally, shes been flippant about it up to this point and it would have beem a good character growth moment for her to admit that bruce had a point all along. Instead we get minimal consequences.

[@marklefebvre5758]

If men and women are equal, then morality must be the thing that changes. You cannot remove complexity in the world, only move it around.

[@ZexyObserver]

She hulk pwned the trolls so badly that she's not even getting a second season.

[@TheSchaef47]

"Women aren't respected in this profession", reasons Jessica Gao through her She Hulk show, after writing a Rick and Morty episode which remains a meme to this day, where she wrote a self insert character who has a scene where she gets to deconstruct Rick's narcissistic tendencies, and then WINS AN EMMY for the episode. oh, but she is so put upon by unreasonable critics

[@davfree9732]

Something about the ending disconnects it from the wider MCU. When Shulk rewrote her story, she essentially created a new timeline. Phase 4 has been all up on the multiverse and Shulk’s rewriting of her own story should fit within that narrative but was ignored…. So, if this gets a season 2… I’d like to see Season 1 Jen acknowledged as from an evil universe who removed a good Shulk from her universe so she could live her life the good Jen made for herself. This opens up a possible revival of Shulk by having the good Jen return to become the MC and evil Jen thrown back into her timeline and stripped of her fourth wall breaking powers.

[@TankHunter678]

That is one way to attempt to salvage the situation, but they would need better writers to pull that off.

[@MatteoRuberto]

Wow these dudes are really passionate about this kid’s show!

[@mikeross6336]

How is this a kids show? Are you an idiot?

[@Kernwadi]

Now, lets say, hypothetically, that somebody once told me that the world would proceed to roll me, and made the claim that I was not, the smartest tool in the shed. Which would lead us to look at the facts and see that she was looking kind of dumb, due to the fact that she had placed her finger and her thumb, in the shape of the letter L, located on her forehead. This would mean that the years would start coming, and logically wont stop coming, that I was, hypothetically, fed to the rules, which would proceed with me hitting the ground running. Which didn’t make sense, to live for fun, in a way that your brain gets smart, yet your head gets dumb, seeing as there’s so much to do, and so much to see, so now I must pose the question, what is wrong with taking the backseat? This is due to the fact that you’ll never know if you don’t go, nor you will shine if you don’t glow. For you see, you are, at this moment, an All-Star, so get your game on, and proceed to go play, indeed, you’re an All-Star, get the show on, which would entitled you to get paid. That would mean that all that glitters, is indeed gold, and that only shooting stars, can participate in the process of breaking the mold.

[@drdassler8901]

Ease off on the commas.

[@joekilker6373]

This is the studio that managed to sideline the woman who gave The Avengers their name, only bringing her in for THAT scene, at the end of phase 3, in Endgame...

[@meatpuppet5036]

A Jack Nicholson character said of writing women - "I think of a man and I take away reason and accountability." We were supposed to see him as a sour old curmudgeon but damn if he didn't hit the nail on the head. Women writers keep saying "Boys will be held accountable" but god that is needed FAR more for women.

[@lunkystraydog6572]

How I sleep never having watched a single episode.

[@JerryD9000]

Kind of funny, in the first episode, Hulk tries to show her how complicated being a super-powered human can be. Coming from a LOT of experience. And how'd they write She Hulk? As a cock know it all that couldn't be told anything, solely because she was a woman. Hulk has saved the entire world AND universe multiple times. Oh and his human form is literally one of the smartest men on the planet. She literally and figuratively fought his advice off.

[@YophiGames]

We talk about women super heroes, but Black Panther did the same thing with black super heroes. I did a video when the movie came out explaining that this was not the first black super hero movie because of movies like Meteor Man or Blank Man. But in case those were comedies, what about Blade being released 20 years before that as a MARVEL MOVIE. That was rated R; okay well Spawn was toned down for PG-13. None of those movies had to harp on the fact that the hero was black. They wrote about a hero being a hero. Even if it was a joke movie, the characters still had flaws that he had to overcome. That's why we went to see these things. They gave us hope that we can overcome OUR flaws because even super powered people have to find the strength to overcome theirs. They didn't just overcome because they were black and on the screen or because they were a woman and on screen or gay and on screen. 🤦‍♂

[@techguydilan]

The one episode where Emil actually points out to her that she needs to learn from her mistakes and look in the mirror I was like "Yes, maybe the show will turn out to be great having her own actions be the big bad of the show!" Nope, I was so disappointed and I hope it doesn't see a second season so more of a budget can be spent on future runs of Captain America and the Winter Soldier, Ms. Marvel, and the various Star Wars franchises. Man they could have turned it into a Tony Stark kind of arc where she realizes her own faults halfway through the first season and start to learn how to do things the right way. But it was all just a big piece of escapism.

[@Wolffman109]

Except you couldn't escape.

[@stefanhoppe9280]

The reason oldschool Shulkie was liked and fun is that she was written by a man with humor.

[@thirstfen]

The problem is..we literally had an example in Jessica Jones that ppl enjoyed?!

[@terryhill5509]

I just love the dog in the room behind Critical Drinker. Totally relaxed.

[@blendo3893]

The really sad thing is that they could have had the villains be internet trolls if they did it right. It could be a really interesting dichotomy of villains who strive to strike nerves and anger within she-hulk, and she-hulks inability to do anything outside of the physical world. They could have provoked her to do something early on, moved the Bruce helping episode later down the line (except this time she actually listens to him), and had the new she-hulk that can control her anger use both aspects of Jen and she-hulk to take down the "Intelligencia" in both the legal and physical spaces instead of a lazy fourth wall break where instead of providing solutions to global issues to the literal god of her world she fixes problems in her own little life. We have no idea what she could have gotten KEVIN to do, solve world hunger? End cancer? We'll never know. All because Jen wanted to have s*x with Matt Murdoch and not have a fight.

[@InfernosReaper]

You've set up a much better premise for the show than the lazy crap the writers came up with

[@blendo3893]

@@InfernosReaper Haha thank you. But it's sad how low the bar has become

[@techguydilan]

@@blendo3893 You should try writing sometime. What you wrote, I'd read or watch that tbh. lol

[@DavidSmith-mt7tb]

Truth. The fact that she attains godlike powers through 4th wall breaking and uses them for purely selfish reasons says everything you need to know about her.

[@blendo3893]

@@techguydilan Haha thank you! One of my hobbies is rewriting movies and shows I don't like, but I think I'm going to get into writing some more of my own ideas!

[@dpe94]

The Drinker, subliminally telling us what he thinks of the series by posing his dog. Adorable!

[@setsoru5319]

It is as good as it gets for modern writing. Asked about writing a woman Jack Nicholson said, "I think of a man and remove reason and accountability."

[@E3Ops]

I watched The Avengers AGAIN last night. I friggin loved it, again.

[@ZIktheAlmighty]

Drinker's dog sums up my feelings on this one.

[@sunnibird]

I don't recall anyone bitching about Lynda Carter as Wonder Woman back in the day.

[@crimsonk24]

The only woman to be held accountable for their actions in the show was the elf in episode 3. Jen nor Titania were held accountable for their actions. That speaks volumes by itself.

[@Wolffman109]

What elf?

[@crimsonk24]

@@Wolffman109 the one who posed who went to court for posing as Meghan.

[@Wolffman109]

@@crimsonk24 I don't remember her. Maybe because I've been trying to block out the memories.

[@crimsonk24]

@@Wolffman109 I wish I could. Where’s a neuralyzer when you need one?

[@Wolffman109]

@@crimsonk24 You're telling me.

[@TheHulkbuster13]

She hulk in the comics: she a person who you can understand and relate to. She-hulk in the show: she’s more than a person, she’s woman, which means whatever she does, it’s you’re fault you toxic man.

[@DatingDilemmaBreakdown]

I watched a "How Power Rangers died" video this morning... In 1990, the main cast included black man, Asian woman, white woman, nerdy man... Here we are, in 2022, 30 years later, and these groups are whining that there is no representation when we had it ages ago. It's sad how we've regressed as a society in 30 years.

[@justinkennedy3004]

More likely is the multi culti honeymoon period you are referencing will never last. Its like enjoying the fall and complaining it has to end in an impact. Multi culti is inherently unstable and open to manipulation by even the dumbest of bad actors.

[@MumRah]

anyone remember the 90s movie "As Good As It Gets"?. there's a line by Jack Nicholas' character when asked how he writes women so well his reply, "Easy. I think of a man and I take away reason and accountability.". As true today as it was then.

[@DarthVader-1701]

I hope the Sheeit-Hulk Karens enjoyed their one season.

[@danjonmills]

😂😂😂

[@kerber0s125]

"It is so difficult to have a female super hero" when Jessica Jones nailed it. And they had some things in common like too strong, didn't want to be the hero and enjoying having casual sex.

[@richtea615]

The Critical Doggo can't take any more She-Hulk.

[@Tel-egram_me_InfernoPlus]

Contact me for your reward 🎉

[@loukitmyname]

So, basically She-Hulk finale is like Frodo going to Eru to destroy the Ring (because it is unfair to him), instead of journeying to Mount Doom along with the Fellowship and later with Sam and Gollum.

[@Anukinihun]

Crazy thing is she broke her parole and she felt she didn't have to go back to jail for that. When she was trying to straight up kill people, regardless if they did her wrong or not.

[@calexander7495]

But her feelings were hurt and that's more important than the lives of others.

[@Mr.Gnomebody]

Also, obvious joke material that I haven't heard anyone mention: Jennifer's would need different color makeup for her human and She-Hulk forms.

[@JamesLaserpimpWalsh]

NOBODY is above mockery.

[@jackjohn4156]

@username Ah yes the community that even gays and lesbians are starting to hate right now lol

[@rogerborg]

Point me at one person who said "Jessica Jones has no place existing in the male superhero space". One person, anywhere, ever. I'm sitting _very_ comfortably, so take your time.

[@soundsfromthestreet]

It's hilarious that they knew what they were making was so bad, that they preemptively attacked criticism before it was ever seen

[@zekiclark9230]

VS Bruce living on the run for years and years, living in fear of assasination and abduction, lonely to point where he tried to kill himself. Bruh.

[@rudegarami6738]

“I think of a man, and then I take away reason and accountability!” -Jack Nicholson, “As Good As It Gets”, in answer to how he writes women so well

[@blahdeeblahblahblahblah3002]

He didn't say that, his character did.

[@blahdeeblahblahblahblah3002]

And his character has OCD and probably ODD and some other conditions.

[@beardedgreek9069]

The whole plot point of, "Because of how women are treated, they naturally are just better at controlling their anger than men." is SO invalidating to men. I don't know who taught these writers that tearing down men makes women look better, because what it actually does is hurt both sides.