Drinker's Chasers - The War Against Attractive Women

Join us as we take a look at Dove Soap's infamous "Let's Change Beauty" ad for women in videogames.

[@perunplague9794]

Heard a great quote recently “If women say Lizzo is Beautiful, why do they get mad when I tell them they look like Lizzo”

[@Incomudro1963]

That's brilliant!

[@deetw6470]

😂

[@NC-dw1ir]

doesn't that depend on who you are saying it to? like, if you just call a black woman Oprah, she's not going to feel complimented, not because Oprah isn't beautiful but because you just called her out of her name. Lizzo isn't ugly because some people prefer thin women. She's just not their type. I never understood why, when it comes to men, no one calls them ugly when they are fat but women are called ugly for not being a size 2. They're considered fat If they're size 6 up.

[@fishingmule3266]

@@NC-dw1ir key words, “when I tell them they look like Lizzo.” P.S. most guys don’t know the first thing about dress size aside from maybe knowing their partner’s.

[@Alan_Edwards]

That's good

[@haitch2676]

It’s funny, if this woman was really being so active, fighting with heavy armour and weapons, she wouldn’t be obese for long

[@charleshetrick3152]

Agreed, maybe the advertisement is meant to say “don’t use powered armor, you’ll become lazy and fat.” You’re right she’s doing the work herself now and will lose the weight.

[@haitch2676]

@@charleshetrick3152 so actually, it’s a positive message! “Get off your backside and work, chubby!”

[@mrbisshie]

Be careful saying such a thing, or she'll sit on you!

[@haitch2676]

@@mrbisshie usually I’d pay double for that

[@inventgineer]

Plus that girdle that made her look infinitely less dumpy and healthier than she actually is was just part of the evil male patriarchy's unified efforts, and not just a dishonest crutch on her part.

[@ANGRYANGRYMAN]

"74% of girls feel underrepresented in video games" - Dove "Aw, you can come up with statistics to prove anything, Kent. Forfty percent of all people know that." - Homer Simpson.

[@sillypuppy5940]

It's a one poll fallacy, further distorted by the fact that nobody cared about representation a few years ago.

[@JemRau]

Member when ZombiUnicorn lied on Bully Hunters? 🍇

[@Briselance]

What does Dove know about video games, anyway?

[@superzilla784]

Kent: "And who conducted these studies?" Homer: "... Studies say I shouldn't tell you..."

[@NickM_FirstofHisName]

​@@JemRau I 'member

[@bencochrane6112]

As a fat guy, I only started to feel fat when advertising companies started saying it was okay to be fat. Now I feel shamed by it, like I'm some sort of lost cause they've given up on. Hitting the gym 5 days a week now. Screw you Dove soap.

[@hezha1050]

you know what.. fuck it, imma be doing it too

[@Cookieofdoom]

When you are a bit down in weight, I can recommend finding some club for running. Running with others makes you automatically push yourself harder without feeling the strain.

[@codapapa7955]

Lmao if the shoe doesn’t fit don’t force it on. It only applies to fat people who want to stay fat/people who may have been bullied for their weight growing up.

[@polyc4rp271]

Good word, king

[@M0butu]

​@Miguel Silva hitting the gym is mainstream. fck all of that, I have a home trainer, using it naked, wrapped in a towel.

[@supremelordoftheuniverse5449]

Women: plays as a slimmer version of herself “I don’t feel represented” Men: plays as a bionically enhanced Tyrannosaurus “literally me”

[@dujeanhickling61]

I remember there was a KZbinr named fightincowboy and was play a game called shark. It is the perfect example of someone really saying it. He literally said "I'm a shark" and was enjoying the game.

[@DoubleO88]

Goes to show why a majority of men are better writers of fantasy fiction than women. Before you mention JK Rowling, she's basically like a tom boy nerd if you watch her planning of the Harry Potter series. Majority of women do not think like that.

[@TheHierophantGreen]

“Goddamn sexual tyrannosaurus, just like me”

[@ReiShs]

​@DoubleO88 Have you ever talked to female gamers? Most of them wouldn't support this bs either. I am sure the question for statistics went like this: "Are there characters that look exactly like you in game?" The answer is in most cases "no". Tadaaa, you have a nice statistic claiming that women feel themselves underrepresented. Could be done the same with male player so some hater like you can trash men in the comments.

[@DoubleO88]

@@ReiShs i kinda see what you're saying but i think this study dove has done probably isn't focused on actual female gamers and nerds who would hate this ad but a large random focus group of women which probably consists of fake geek girls and just women who's probably only "game" they've ever touched is bejewelled. It's a fact as drinker pointed out, that girls ON AVERAGE like to insert themselves into characters while boys ON AVERAGE insert the characters into themselves. There's a reason why Sci fi and fantasy was largely a boys thing now it's become profitable and popular a lot of fake geek girls want to hop on so these companies try to cater to them which leads to more vapid and less imaginative products, remember the majority of women can consume (if the thing is popular) but they struggle to create ON AVERAGE. Not all women, with some exceptions and some women are based but as a WHOLE MAJORITY, women are more about themselves and need to insert themselves into things, it's no surprise why the first Mary Sue was created by a woman.

[@MmntechCa]

Every time Dove comes out with these "fat is beautiful" campaigns, I always like to remind people that their parent company Unilever is one of the largest ice cream manufacturers in the world.

[@nothajzl]

Yep, they just need as many customers as possible. And what better way to do that than to promote lazy, unhealthy lifestyle. These people are evil.

[@captaintoyota3171]

Greed rules society. Untill we acknowledge no one is above its corruption and enforce against it we will be doomed

[@lyravain6304]

I mean, the dude who added sugar to bubblegum was a dentist so... You gotta create a demand for your service I guess.

[@mat2000100]

Unilever is so fat they have THREE ice cream divisions! (Breyer's, Heartbrand, and Ben and Jerry's, which I regret to inform that I have sinned by buying a sundae from them on monday)

[@sr71silver]

It's also in Dove's interest. After all fat people have more surface area. So they use more soap.

[@Mr.YasQueen]

Modern Women: "Beauty comes in all shapes and sizes." Also Modern Women: "Under 6ft swipe left."

[@robirvine6970]

I’ve been on dating sites since the internet first launched. Never seen this. This is a made up unicorn example by incels.

[@Mr.YasQueen]

@@robirvine6970 You think people having double standards on a political or social stance in the modern age is a unicorn? Bruh lmao, also you people on the internet are more obsessed with inceldom than actual incels. At this point it's just an overused buzzword like cuck or soy boy whenever someone has something negative to say about trends common among women. There are also trends common among men we can call out too but those are never deemed as unicorns. 💀

[@debbylou5729]

@@robirvine6970😂😂😅😅😅😘can you hear yourself?

[@mandiblackwell4668]

@@robirvine6970 sorry when ever did people of either gender on dating sites NOT be somewhat shallow? I've only been amongst em since 2006, but I've been online since the 90s and this is not new for ladies or men to do this crap. It is just way more spoken about cause of social media.

[@Hypnotically_Caucasian]

@@mandiblackwell4668 98% of women go for the top 5% of men. He's a sperg, but Wheat Waffles did some great videos on dating statistics.

[@declanhugors]

I love how the fact that men wouldn't want to see obese men as their main video game characters either goes completely over Dove's head. This isn't about "sexualization", it isn't about "representation", it's about creating healthy icons that people should aspire to be

[@HelloWorld-cq1sq]

Yep. And if women see a brand being represented by an obese man, those women on average probably also aren't more likely to buy that brand. The whole "fat is beautiful" movement is purely to pander to fat women and to pander to the dominant culture.

[@elbarto4069]

I woud think it woud be funny to have an obese character in a video game you can sit on your oponents and insta kil them

[@RobertMorgan]

Men are 'unrealistic beauty standards' in gaming as well, but it didn't make me complain, it made me start doing the work to try to look like Solid Snake's midsection, not demand they make him fat lol. I don't want my needs to drag everyone down, I want the excellence of others to drive me UP, to meet that example.

[@Deeeeeeeee1]

@@RobertMorgan the whole "unrealistic beauty standards" thing is dogshit. Really, it is: especially when the feminists say *men* set them - because women set their own beauty standards: do you or I know aught of makeup brands, tell me?

[@hater2764]

​@@elbarto4069 Blob from X-man, Obelix, Sumo fighters from many fighting games, Wrecking Ralph....

[@rigell2764]

Imagine seeing anyone in good shape and feeling personally attacked. Being a modern woman has got to be exhausting.

[@chainsawsubtlety9828]

If you're fat enough, everything is exhausting.

[@alswearengen3087]

​@@chainsawsubtlety9828 That walk to the fridge or pantry, a fucking expedition.

[@nest9595]

Mentally exhausting and physically exhausting.

[@JoJo-vg8dz]

We must fight fitphobia.

[@MisterCovek]

Women are jealous creatures who don't like to see hotter women in real life, or imaginary.

[@AndrewJnsn]

"Do I have to get off the couch and have self discipline? Nah that's bad. Heart attacks are good for you." - Dove

[@hkaayaakuu]

💔 *heavy breaths. But dove said THIS IS THE WAY

[@connorhull9215]

Exactly. If your heart survives enough of them it'll eventually build up a tolerance and you'll start getting energized by them instead.

[@sidecharacter7165]

Well their parent company is Unilever….

[@medigoomnis]

You forgot "Also buy our stuff, you're worth it!"

[@therookie5714]

All they would have to do is reduce calories and they’d drop weight like crazy. The food is too good for them to consider that I guess

[@skyeranger]

They say that 74 % of girls feel underepresented in video games and present the conclusion that they want more chubby / fat female models in videogames ... but feeling underrepresented can mean anything, from wanting buff muscular women, to tiny petite women, to goth girls to whatever. I can also mean better written female characters that are not just stupid stereotypes or flimsy characters just defined by labels.

[@sarahb.7175]

I myself would like more practicing Christian girls in video games.

[@RobertMorgan]

I imagine a woman watching That Oceans movie starring only women, and thinking "Why are ALL the women in this movie fucking DUMB? Is this a satire, is it supposed to make women look retarded? This is sexist. I'd never do something that stupid". Meanwhile the makers are like stunning, brave, look all women are doing it all sister!

[@Deeeeeeeee1]

@@sarahb.7175 Me too. Man, my girlfriend hounds at me day and night "when am I going to see practicing Christian women on my screens?"

[@rickyspanish492]

It just comes down to dysfunctional personalities imo. Only a narcissist needs to see themselves in everything they do and consume. Normal people just don't care because they're not self obsessed.

[@OmegaRedFan]

If you don't start uploading videos, you will be left behind like the others.

[@One-Ring-To-Rule-Them-All]

Yeah exactly! Plus it is a fantasy world so you can be ANYTHING! 😂

[@Ijustneededtomakethiscomment]

As a female who currently weighs more than I’d like, I DON’T WANT TO BE “REPRESENTED.” I like seeing video game women (or women in comics) be hot and athletic. Same with men! I want these people to be the peak of what humanity can be. Aesthetically pleasing, and even something for people to strive for. People can pretend all they want that fat, overweight, out of shape people are attractive, but they’re either blind or just flat out lying to themselves.

[@SouthernGothicYT]

This!! It's a fantasy after all, why not show the peak human form, plus the eye candy you get to see on screen every time you play! For instance, I started to play Dante's Inferno because I like the lore, but stayed for sexy chiseled Dante and Satan's massive dong during the end battle

[@ChilleDINJerseY]

Yea I was chubby asf but to be honest all the cut strong dudes I saw in superhero movies got me into the gym. Now its a habit I still have and I look and feel great. All because Chris Evans looked jacked and I looked like crap haha

[@salmanedy]

I'm a fat piece of shit, and this stupid ad feels manipulative. Like I could feel all the executives are high fiving one another thinking that they've spoken to the masses. This is dumb, this is fucking dumb. Being fat isn't something to strive towards. What the hell?!

[@phuqutoob-pf7pb]

Daniel Craig walking out of the water in Casino Royale got me to start working out Took me about three years but I got to the point where I actually got to do that scene myself

[@ChilleDINJerseY]

@@phuqutoob-pf7pb haha yea that one too!! I remember in the movie either him or his girl said "he takes care of his body" and I was like damn.... I don't

[@MrHeavy466]

No, the best response to this was Dove getting called out on Twitter with the paraphrased quote, "C'mon Dove, we all know you like fat people because they would have to use more soap."

[@ThirtytwoJ]

Esp that nasty lotionized greasy crap they peddle. No dear its not gonna wash away the stench of that extra large loaded pizza meat-sweat. You dont need dove, you need dawn.

[@cannibalvegetableyt]

..then you go all Tyler Durden and make the soap from the clients. It's ingenious. Do they own a medical waste company??

[@minniemin1324]

stonks

[@tishie42]

​@@cannibalvegetableyt they make a lot of ice cream... 🤷

[@selinnazsur2328]

As a fat girl myself, I DON'T want to be pandered to by corporations who don't actually care about me. I don't want "my demographic" to be represented and put on a pedestal as if what obese people are going through is good and something to be celebrated. As long as they're not narcissistic and arrogant pricks I admire fit men and women, because most of the time their physique shows me how dedicated and disciplined they are about their well-being. I hope I can gather enough of my own mental strength to be like them one day.

[@elbarto4069]

You shoud do martial arts they really help and saying someday is like saying never

[@Eisenwulf666]

This. The ads went from showing only extremely fit people to saying, hey it's ok, regular people are beautiful too, to :" Hey, fatty, eat a cake and be proud of yourself! Good job!". I sometime think there are complicated algorithms behind Ad campaigns, with a long term plan across years and different products, then i realize i know a couple of people who work in the industry, and they told me the process : Come up with a dumb idea, work on it for a while, the client doesn't like it, come up with a second, ridiculous idea, the client hates it, then rework the first one a little and go with that.

[@dougfisher2060]

@@elbarto4069 She's already learned the whale.

[@One-Ring-To-Rule-Them-All]

You can do it! Just start with some little things that are fun for you and set realistic goals. What I find super easy for the beginning is stop drinking sweet beverages and start walking more 😉❤

[@paulcarmi8130]

Your Nethers won't smell bad if you ditch the weight! You can do it!

[@aubriannasaxton8723]

As a lady, I am not a ginger man in a galaxy far far away, yet that didn’t stop me from buying Jedi Survivor and enjoying playing it. And it is the only video game I have bought in years.

[@user-is7xs1mr9y]

I'm also a woman and I don't need to be a genetically enhanced super-soldier guy to love Master Chief and the Halo original trilogy.

[@queueeeee9000]

If you really liked that one, I strongly recommend the first one if you haven't played it

[@ChimpFromSpace]

You can't "change" beauty. People who are physically fit will always be more attractive than people who aren't. It's instinctual.

[@marshalhammel5065]

For a large number of people. There is a demographic of people within the intersection between the size fetish community and the expansion fetish community that enjoys the concept of a person being fulsome or becoming unbelievably fulsome. This community is aware that their fantasies are just that, fantasies. They are even aware of the problems that come with being overweight and will incorporate those problems into pieces of smut.

[@DarthPerkins]

You can. It's called 'exposure therapy'. You're constantly exposed to something until it becomes normalised to you. It's why torture doesn't work long term...humans even get used to torture. If this timeline continues down the leftist path, in a thousand years we'll be completely used to sexless beings, half-human half-animal transhumans, government sponsored child brothels, big pharma taking over our breeding because our reproductive systems are messed up due to surgery, and no one will complain because we've all been exposed to so much craziness.

[@Ellebeeby]

​@@marshalhammel5065 and there are people with literal shit-eating fetishes. We tell those people not to share.

[@therookie5714]

@@marshalhammel5065 they are lying. They know fit is more attractive

[@080ization]

Indeed. Many people will be influenced though one way or another which is the goal...

[@TheWarmachine375]

Being fat ain't something to be proud of. You'd suffer diabetes, high cholesterol, liver problems and colon cancer, etc. that affects your body's organs severely.

[@seeinred]

But don't you get it, it's biggotry to think people should be healthy and feeling good about themselves! They should pretend having shit health and looking like blob is all as intended and the new standart for beauty!

[@hope-cat4894]

It also can cause sleep apnea where you stop breathing while you sleep and can complicate any surgeries you need to have.

[@oldfella3919]

Not always unfortunately. I'm not at all fat but suffer diabetes and have to eat very carefully. Conversely I know several clinically obese folks (aka fat b*stards!) who can merrily stuff their faces all day, every day and have no trouble with diabetes at all. I can only guess that it may catch up with them in later life.

[@sounghungi]

High cholesterol isn't a bad thing on it's own. Cholesterol in itself has been demonized unfairly but it's very important to creating hormones and healing cellular damage. Still don't be obese, it's going to destroy your joints.

[@sounghungi]

@@hope-cat4894 This is one of the biggest things. Poor sleep leads to so many problems and it just snowballs out of control. I don't think people realize how important sleep is to living a healthy life. Like if you don't sleep at all, you die, so not sleep well will be a problem.

[@dearthofdoohickeys4703]

When you’re comfortable with yourself, you don’t shrivel up when someone brings attention to your flaws. When you’re insecure and self-absorbed, you demand other people act like your flaws don’t exist.

[@JeremyBelpoisX]

As someone who is a self-identified autistic, I agree. I work my ass off to overcome my flaws, and even when people like my boss verbally kick me down, I feel a stronger urge to get back up and prove them wrong. These SJWs are as flimsy and squishy weak as their muscles. Or lack thereof, lol.

[@stanley-fghijk441]

I'm Gen X. We had Cindy, Christy, Claudia, Naomi, Linda, the SI girls. Dudes today get grandmas, whales, and dudes pretending to be chicks. It's soooooo sad.

[@tubby1833]

Whos gonna tell the activists that player customization already exists.

[@SuperLuis225]

Even when given the option, they'd rather be the victim. For instance I'd rather complain that a 3ft Italian plumber that can jump 2 stories high doesn't look and act like me 😂

[@therookie5714]

They want to be able to play as a 300 pound land whale with fat rolls hanging everywhere

[@MrReaper071]

Even then, when I make a custom character I either make a gremlin or the most idealized version of myself.

[@whistlingsage9817]

The people behind this ad are not gamers. They're just trying to sell soap to fatties.

[@ReturnOfHeresy]

"But people are choosing wrong!" I wish I were joking.

[@MetalCooking666]

I love the assumption that guys don’t feel inadequate or underrepresented because of all the muscular, athletic male characters

[@dronesclubhighjinks]

I know. Wth? I guess women are just more emotional than men. I'm a woman and my internalized misogyny is obviously getting the better of me. 🫠

[@ChilleDINJerseY]

For me it was monkey see monkey do. I saw Chris Evans lookin jacked and it honestly was the impetus for me to work out. All these years later I'm still at the gym 4-5 times a week.

[@axt2]

because real men see their betters and study them, understand them, and try to figure out how they themselves can reach such heights. A real argument could be made that a lot of human progress would be stifled if not for the pursuit of better mate selection.

[@manynukes11]

@@ChilleDINJerseY exactly, I decided to make a change and started the gym 8 months ago going consistently

[@ROMANTIKILLER2]

When I was younger with a bit of belly and little muscle, looking at all the jacked character in media did not make me feel underrepresented, it motivated me to start hitting the gym to get at least a decent athletic physique. More people should realize they are not uniquely beautiful snowflakes, they are just lazy.

[@anthvw63]

I showed my wife who falls in the “26% area” (according to Dove) this commercial while she was playing Zelda: Tears of the kingdom. She said at the end “well I am no longer buying anything Dove.”

[@JS-eh9lg]

Nah, I never projected myself on to characters as I played. As a little girl, I had always looked at Xena or Buffy Summers and wanted to BE them-emotionalIy and physically. I wanted to improve myself. Will I ever be Xena or Buffy? Obviously not, but they and other female fictional role models I grew up with were written with admirable attributes in their personalities, too-which are achievable and inspiring. Which female heroines have such qualities today? I really struggle to think of any as I write this… In sum, I want to be inspired to be strong physically AND emotionally. I think Dove’s ad is ridiculous and demeaning. It and many other media essentially say, “Don’t bother aspiring to improve yourself.”

[@canaldecasta]

The videogame character being more slim than the real person is the cherry on top.

[@dronesclubhighjinks]

She might as well envision herself as a gorgeous "conventionally, attractive" woman, not just a slightly slimmed-down version.

[@stevene6482]

Yeah, don’t know why the game version doesn’t have the gut hanging out under her armor.

[@flarestorm9417]

Yep. The game character could honestly work as a brawler or something. She doesn't have muscles, but she could at least tank hits and be hard to move or something. But she's certainly not some dynamic action hero.

[@charmandyorton006]

How dare you, they wanted EXTRA cherries on top

[@pigeonpoo1823]

Why does it remind me of the human version of Shrek?

[@stevecaldwell8740]

I wasn’t aware that imaginary characters were supposed to represent us. The level of narcissism is epic.

[@SuperLloyd84]

Is that like a personal attack or something?

[@peterbelanger4094]

Back in the early 80's was a sooo depressed that I was not a yellow disc with a wedge cut out of it. Or even a brightly colored "ghost". And the over-representation of plumbers and oversized gorillas in other games was so offensive.

[@salondesrefuses]

Josephine Skriver, former Victoria's Secret model, said something very interesting on a podcast. She was talking about how weird it was, working as a model, in the post me too and the post VS era, because she was being asked to slouch and generally pose to look more average. Her photos were also being reverse retouched, as in: her abs were being retouched out of photos. She actually used the words "we're basically taking worse photos", which is surprisingly honest, but I guess it's a strange enough twist to merit that. I mean, if you hire a model who works out and has abs, where is the female empowerment in erasing that in post?

[@whiteaquamarine8168]

I'm a woman gamer and I don't feel underrepresented and I absolutely love games

[@Deeeeeeeee1]

A case of internalised misogyny. Call the gender studies majors.

[@JackMadness91]

I miss the days when people lived in reality and common sense was still common.

[@O1OO1O1]

Those days never existed.

[@jhnshep]

@@O1OO1O1 common sense was never common. Ask any soldier that served under the command of an officer lol

[@chaospacemarine8330]

​@O1OO1O1 *soijak face* "people were NEVER sensible human beings! stupidity was NEVER shun! society NEVER worked! happiness NEVER existed!"

[@its_dey_mate]

​@@O1OO1O1 But now it is decisively worse regarding those things.

[@O1OO1O1]

@@its_dey_mate is it? I think it's just the natural consequence of allowing technology and capitalism to run its course. Lack of common sense meant nobody intervened, or saw a need to.

[@AshPrimeDCFC]

I asked my wife if she felt underrepresented in video games. She said she doesn't give a shit. Most likely because she's fit and in shape and doesn't need to be validated by corporate wokists.

[@dronesclubhighjinks]

Your wife is hilarious! I strongly agree with her. Who needs to "see themselves" in a video game or movie or TV show? It's very self-obsessed.

[@alexandresobreiramartins9461]

Yeah, but that's part of the problem: normies (who are the majority) don't care and that is just giving wokies the advantage and more power. One day, we'll all be in concentration camps run by wokies and THEN normies will see they should have cared and fought back. And if you think I'm just being paranoid, study history (Soviet Union, Communist China, Nazi Germany, etc.).

[@offlineraided]

Oof you got married 🥲 80% chance she gonna divorce ya

[@therookie5714]

@@offlineraided really man? My dads been married for over 20 years, and my grandparents over 50 years

[@thesongoflunch]

@@therookie5714 Ignore these people. Unfortunately, a lot of the men who don't improve themselves are hell-bent on the rest of us dying as alone as they are.

[@MatthewOlney]

My wife is an avid gamer and she always complains how modern games make it really hard to make attractive female characters.

[@katiematre5460]

Im LOVING the comment section 😅❤ wtf has happened to companies? Im a woman kinda hefty *trying not to be* and im not offended if i see a sexy character. i have way more problems than worrying about that bs 😅plus i love seeing beautiful women ❤️ hilarious segment guys! ❤

[@Zontar82]

so it's ok for female to be ugly, but men must be handsome or they won't even touch you?

[@alpharius2omegaboogaloo384]

“Every women is a 10, every man is a 1.”

[@Darkstar_Dayne]

​@@alpharius2omegaboogaloo384 Unless he's rich or 6 feet tall

[@FTChomp9980]

Double Standards suck.

[@peteg475]

"Six feet, six pack, six figures"

[@DPH_Psychosis]

@@Darkstar_Dayne you mean rich AND six feet tall

[@yhnbgtrfv100]

I don’t think you could antagonize man to the feminist movement faster than with a campaign saying: “We want to encourage women to be less attractive”.

[@Dack.howaboutyou]

That might even be the idea! "Divide and conquer"... easy way to keep us under control and distracted; fighting among ourselves instead of noticing what is actually happening.

[@pete3011]

Thats what you'd think, but then you'll end up on reddit someday, and realize just how big of e unuc hs there are out there. The "males" there really are some of the most pathetic, pretentious things you'll ever encounter.

[@theminister1154]

Feature. Not bug.

[@toothgrinder2760]

Look what Guerrilla Games did to Alloy. In Horizon: Zero Dawn she looked normal. In part II Alloy looked as if she ran face first into a hornets nest.

[@adam-k]

I don't think you could antagonize women faster either. Never met with a woman who didn't wanted to look more attractive than she was. No matter how good they look, they put on their makeup every day. Never seen a woman who wanted to look at pictures of ugly or fat women either. Women's magazines are filled with beautiful models for a reason.

[@sdimerc5571]

I am a girl and I am not represented by 100% of Dove adverts shown in today's Drinker's Chasers. 😂

[@user-is7xs1mr9y]

I'm a woman who enjoys video games, and I always loved being Master Chief because he's so cool and no-nonsense. I was glad though when they added a female Spartan model in Halo 3 and I used it. I'm not a conventionally attractive gal, and I used to be overweight, but I always preferred the conventionally attractive feminine models because it inspired me to improve myself. I lost weight, got in shape and take care of my health. I don't care about being represented, most of my favorite characters don't look like me or are even the same gender, it's called having empathy, something these narc writers clearly lack and their ability to relate to someone only goes skin-deep.

[@joeshmoe7967]

Two Thumbs Up! - Cheers

[@BellaRigelOrion]

I'm a female gamer, and I game for the fantasy, and the toons I design are stunning. I give each a 'flaw' like a scar, ice skin, or red eyes for interest. Who the hell wants reality when they game?! Go out and play real life for that.

[@Maladjester]

Exactly. There are precisely zero guys playing God of War or Wild Hunt for an honest representation of themselves. Would be reeeeeal short games.

[@JohnLevesque_Shogi]

Nailed it. This encroaches on fantasy. Why?

[@BellaRigelOrion]

@@sterlingarcher3619 I give them a body one, like an arm or back tattoo. Never facial scars.

[@rgerber]

So thats why modern movies try to reflect reality and aren't pure escapism to fantastical worlds anymore. Instead dark and depressing.

[@MooMoo69556]

Can confirm. I was the fantasy

[@jasonhernandez9023]

Yeah, I’m a large dude…300lbs, in fact. But you know what? I’m DOWN from 450lbs because being morbidly obese is not healthy, and it certainly isn’t an attractive quality. I say quality because if you can’t take care of yourself, how are you expecting someone to see you as an attractive prospect to share a life with? Change beauty? Nah, I say it’s time to change brands.

[@tadrood3386]

Good job. Good luck.

[@rachaelraggi]

Good lad, keep at it! 👏👏

[@jimjamauto]

Good job my dude.

[@DavidDiLillo]

Keep going, bro!

[@kmb957]

You go king 👑!

[@canebro1]

As a dude, I usually pick a girl character, because if I'm going to be staring at someone for 100 hours, I want to look at a hot girl not a dude.

[@kevinciccone445]

Agreed. I prefer to play as female characters rather than as a hulking great adonis. I'm neither. It's just nicer to look at.

[@Bobby-Mono]

What a great panel to discuss this - thanks for all the amazing work guys!

[@dortemos]

I'm disabled and I don't feel "misrepresented" in video games. You know why? Because it makes sense why a guy in a wheelchair wouldn't be fighting monsters and going on adventures. And also, why would I want to be the exact same person in a videogame who I am in real life?

[@samuellindsey6379]

Exactly!! Sorry to hear about your plight, but most of us play games for a escape and to enjoy ourselves. I don’t want to play a character with a plethora of mental and or physical hang ups just to feel “represented”.

[@helvete_ingres4717]

only game I can remember playing a character in a wheelchair was Killer 7

[@sillypuppy5940]

I'm still waiting for Super Osteoarthritis Man. Superpowers are having a sit down every so often and taking painkillers.

[@arisucheddar3097]

Ok but I kind of want a wheelchair option where it's decked out with appropriate armor and weaponry now...

[@trolleriffic]

@@sillypuppy5940 He can team up with Crippling Agoraphobia Man, just as soon as he can leave the house.

[@KeiosKod]

What’s funny is that the video game version of this woman is actually thinner than the actual person these people used as a model. Really makes you think.

[@dronesclubhighjinks]

Maybe the actual woman gained weight after the video game character design had been finalized. Or else, if she's gonna imagine a slimmer version of herself, she might as well go all the way, and make her character a bikini model. A traditional bikini model, not a "health at every size/body positive" bikini model.

[@m0nk3yl0v3r]

@@dronesclubhighjinks lol nah mate

[@woodwyrm]

I am Jacks complete lack of shock.

[@paultate5213]

They ran out of polygons.

[@kr00ked1]

​@@paultate5213 have a like 😂

[@sangheiliwarrior86]

You can acknowledge and appreciate that fact that physical beauty and overall impressiveness is worthy of being respected and praised, without glorifiying bad people who happen to be good looking.

[@SILOPshuvambanerjee]

I lost 12 pounds in six months. I will lose more. My stamina has tripled. Never understood being obese and body positive at the same time.

[@ShadesOfKnight]

The really entertaining part is how in the finale, the character flips and is thin during the flip… then she expands as she hits the ground. Watch it frame by frame. It’s hysterical.

[@milestrombley1466]

Telling someone it is okay to be obese is like saying it is okay to smoke two packs of cigarettes a day while you have lung cancer slowly killing you.

[@user-is7xs1mr9y]

Exactly this. Four family members, including my mom have passed away from cancer. I'm not going to start smoking or burning myself to a crisp in the sun, and obesity also is a risk factor.

[@2ndRodeo_Keziah]

Az: “As you know, the best women…are men.” 😳 wow. Nailed it.

[@saejinlee6304]

I love when I'm scrolling through the comments and the exact quote comes up. That's happened on more than a couple occasions. Just perfect timing!

[@joerussell9574]

Ethan Van Sciver should be given credit for bringing this point out during his discussion of the Lego study a while back about the difference in girls and boys play style. Go EVS and ComicsGate!

[@steveouk90126]

"I want the benefits of hard work and dedication without the inconvenience of either of those. I want _the unearned,_ because I _deserve_ it!" = most women I've dated since my teen years.

[@JohnSmith-sb2fp]

Almost all western women and most women outside the west.

[@erroneous6947]

That’s absolutely correct both of you.

[@doomspud6302]

Most people love to see beautiful paintings, because they can show you so many new things. Narcissists just want a mirror, because all they ever want to see is themselves. The entire reason I love playing video games is so I can do things that I can't in real life. Fighting dragons, flying spaceships, saving the universe, etc. And my favorite characters are usually not even human. Orcs, dwarves, aliens, robots, whatever. Because those kinds of things spark my imagination way more than anything realistic ever does. That's why all this "it need to represent the world around us" crap that's become so common shows that these creators don't have an ounce of imagination or creativity in them. If they did, they wouldn't want to make their fantasies match reality, because that inevitably makes them BORING.

[@nautilaz]

I've been trying to find out for MMOs for example, who plays which roles? When I play MMORPGs, I create all types of characters, dwarves, elves, nonhuman, female, etc. I almost never choose or create a toon that looks like me. I create the characters to be characters, and I role play them. It makes it more fun and immersive. I know some people that have replied say they create close to themselves. To each their own, but I don't see the fantasy and fun in that.

[@azmendozafamily]

I am a plumber, and the part in Mario Bros where they tell them "Oh, he likes you!" and "Don't worry, he doesn't bite." was so very relatable to me.

[@wyderka1987]

I'm a woman and I hate the "representation" in everything, I never wanted the fictional characters to look like me, I've always used my imagination to become someone else, to see different world, different perspective on life, to just enter new world, new story people who cry for representation must lack imagination or just be absolutely narcistic, it's awful

[@f1jones544]

Showed this to my 82 year old mom whom I'm visiting. She said that clearly they want to sell more soap, if you know what she means. She also asked where the octogenarian superhero with remnant Bell's Palsy, scoliosis and a bum hip with thinning hair was. Fact is, she's still in too of good shape and active to be classified in this type of campaign. Seriously she was disgusted and said it was exploitive, particularly in the case is the girl in the wheelchair and with Down's Syndrome. I want to know why the US military doesn't have a 300lb female corp, along with a wheelchair and head injury corps. Because God knows we have the makings and clearly they're underrepresented. Very brave of Dove to cancel the comments...

[@davidcox3076]

Tell your mom not to worry about fictional superheroes. If she's made it to 82 she's a real superhero. And the head injury corps? Already been done. At the end of World War II the German army started forming battalions of soldiers who wouldn't otherwise be fit for combat. Many of them had medical issues or disabilities and they were grouped together so the army could more efficiently treat them in the field. Why all this? Because Germany was out of manpower and absolutely desperate. That anyone would think a "300 lb female corps" would be a good idea (and these people exist) shows how out of whack the world has become.

[@evosquest1]

Being told that you're wrong by 74% of the population you just pissed off with your virtue signalling will tend to make you turn off the comments tbh.

[@ReiShs]

​@@evosquest1 The worst part they probably asked trick question to bend statistic for own narrative. As female gamer I am certainly annoyed that Dove claims that this is what majority of female gamers see/say. There is a reason why people play game or read fantasy / sci-fi movies. If I wanted ugly realty, I could just go outside.

[@mecha-sheep7674]

Well, the US military does not. But I have seen pictures of the Russian military with guys so fat you wonder if they don't eat one recruit a day. With potatoes.

[@PSYCHIC_PSYCHO]

The correct word is 'MUM' you Dunce not "Mom"

[@lolopotatoes9397]

Diabetes runs in my family. My very overweight grandma lost one of her feet to the disease. Trust me when I say being fat is not something to be proud of. Now, losing weight and making sure you're in good health and somewhat athletic for the rest of your life now that's something to be proud of, I think.

[@user-is7xs1mr9y]

Exactly. In my case, cancer runs in both sides of my family. My paternal grandfather died from it, my aunt (dad's sister) died from it, maternal great-grandmother died from it and my mom recently died from it too and my dad is in treatment. So if I went by these moron's logic, I should be going out in the sun for hours and smoking a pack of cigarettes a day. Also, obesity puts you more at risk of cancer. These people are monsters.

[@lolopotatoes9397]

@ㅁ As long as you are "represented" in video games 👍 But no joking, I'm truly sorry for your late family members. Cancer has taken loved ones from me, including my best friend. Best of luck to your father, and I wish you, your family, and even the mutations at Dove great health and a happy life!

[@unicron99999]

My wife isn't overweight but she's always been a beautiful thicker framed gal, so her and I would both be all for this positive message about being fine with yourself whether you look like most action star characters or not... But, with how bad wokies smash their crap into everything possible these days Its hard not to just see it as more of that. They successfully annihilated my tolerance in their attempts to force everyone to be more tolerant of ONLY the specific biased things they hand picked that we all have to get behind.

[@dougfisher2060]

Your wife needs to be a thinner frame gal.

[@sirlionheart4614]

Thicker is still overweight

[@Natsirt666]

Part of the reason you don't want a "big" character model is because of hit-boxes. That's a part of the reason why character models are the way they are (slim/fit) for the player character.

[@andrewromanowski4568]

I love how Mauler gets cut off right before they play the video. "Drinker, do you think that it's wise--?" BOOM! 😂

[@braedenblack6116]

My wife loves classic Lara Croft and Wonder Woman, and she uses them as inspiration and motivation to stay healthy and exercise, because she wants to feel good and look good. I’m the same way, I see fit and jacked dudes in video games and movies etc and it motivates me to eat right and get exercise. I was over weight and it sucks, tired all the time, low self esteem, on the road to a heart attack and or diabetes. Not anymore, thank goodness.

[@naeptae]

girl here. I been playing videogames all a good part of my life, because they are fun and have pretty amazing histories, some very simple and other super over-complicated, most of them have characters with amazing development over one game or the series, like good old kratos. Good job guys :)

[@katg-gk5ox]

You guys are hilarious! Love the commentary!

[@Dunebat]

If someone wants to project themselves onto characters, isn't that narcissism?

[@nikkili8944]

Yup. I've just read a story about a morbidly obese woman - a "plus size" model - who accuses United Airlines of discrimination because she can't walk down the airplane aisle. Everybody or everything else has to change but themselves. That's a common theme you see among fat positive activists all the time. It's peak narcissism and entitlement.

[@TheWarmachine375]

Attractive Women: *exists* Twitter Freaks: "COWABUNGA IT IS."

[@marcuskahn3783]

Dove marketing supersize blocks of soap to chuffle shufflers.

[@hugoisaacmartinez]

Lamo the way Hispanics look at Goku. Man if that isn’t the most accurate comment. DBZ to this day is still very popular among a lot of Mexicans I knew growing up, old and new. I didn’t realize it when I was younger but anime has been pretty well known over in Mexico even before it got as popular as it is now here in the States

[@MrTerrorzone2012]

They're called hotphobes, stop the Hotphobia!!

[@almalone3282]

Oh no they just don't want to feel like they are ugly. They will drool over Henry Cavil though

[@MrTerrorzone2012]

@Al Malone don't we all? Even as a straight man I drool over Cavil

[@emdo.unlimited555]

The opposite of fatphobic is fitphobic

[@almalone3282]

@@MrTerrorzone2012 *Ice-T appears behind you* "I got news for ya!"

[@therookie5714]

Fitphobes

[@Panchovies]

“I wanna look at video game characters the same way Hispanics look at Goku” truer words have never been spoken

[@kellyevans3254]

The point of a hero is to have a goal to aspire to. They are cutting our hero’s off at the knees trying to demoralize us so that we have nothing higher to aspire to.

[@NeonGhostCat]

One of the rules I have with investing in big tickets items is, "if you're gonna spend a lot of time and money on something, you'd better like looking at it."

[@johnsullivan937]

What I find so incredibly damaging by this mindset is that It's quite literally glorifying obesity. I personally was getting a bit overweight (I'm 29) I was touching over 220 lbs so about 40 pounds overweight. I was having the most horrific panic attacks seemingly at random. I decided to put that excess energy to good use and start exercising for an hour a day. 5 months in and I've lost 30 pounds, most of my belly fat is gone, I feel like a new person. I have freaking leg muscles now, I'm not self conscious whenever I go out in public and now I actually have stamina. This idea where "we shouldnt have to try to do anything or better ourselves in any way, You be happy that you're obese" is such a destructive mindset. Its not healthy... at all, both mentally and physically. I just find it so sad that all these people are so miserable where the mere depiction of a woman who is fit and attractive makes these people angry. I dont want to play as some obese loser in a video game, I want to play as someone I look up to. Also like you guys mentioned, why is this only an issue with women? Last time I checked there are PLENTY of women who actually have body types like the first girl in that commercial, thats not unrealistic lmao. Its the freaking men characters who look like roided out hulking masses of muscle that are the unrealistic bodies. You wouldn't be able to get anywhere even close looking like kratos, zangief, master chief, w40k space marines, serious sam, or jax from MK naturally without any steroids or supplements. Do guys complain? No of course not, we look up to that and get inspired to work out. I didnt lose weight for anybody other than myself, I feel like I'm 10 years younger again, hell I feel better than that! As I was a heavy drinker/smoker back when I was 20. When did people just stop working towards anything in life? Its like everyone just wants to be handed trophies for existing. You guys hit the nail on the head when you said these people making this ad arent gamers. Because actual gamers dont just want to see themselves in every medium, they want to play as cool characters. I wish this fake gamer activist crowd would just fuck off and quit ruining gaming for everyone. We dont live in some age where we see nothing but fit attractive women in games, Its literally the exact opposite now. Just look at all the new women in overwatch, look what they turned ellie into some man bodied lesbian, look what mk11 did with all the female characters, removed their curves and covered them all up. Look at what they did to aloy from horizon zero dawn, they objectively made her uglier and gave her facial hair. In this day and age you have a better chance at finding the missing link than you do seeing an attractive woman in video gaming.

[@stephAnima]

''Its like everyone just wants to be handed trophies for existing'' that's gold 🙌

[@spiritsplice]

That's funny you think 220 was a bit overweight. That's the size of two women.

[@capthavic]

8:55 I think there really is something to that mindset in general, not just a boy/girl thing. Growing up, characters didnt even have to be human, they could be an animal or a friggin' toaster and it didn't matter, because they were actual characters! You identified with and aspired to be like them because of that basic human connection and the positive traits they embodied.

[@sparaxisblanc2473]

Exactly!

[@DamienDarkside]

I am Link. I am a tall, blonde-haired (who had it long in the 90s and now), would be twinky but had some muscle, left-handed, white male with green eyes (green for the hat). I, by their very sight, should be the PRIME example of being "represented" because I should be able to project myself onto Link. I don't identify with Link, or feel represented by Link in any way apart from "he's left handed". I want to BE LINK. When playing Link's Awakening on the Game Boy, I literally was envisioning myself AS Link going through the dungeons and gathering the instruments for the Wind Fish. I didn't project myself onto Link, I put myself INTO Link and for a brief period after school I wasn't in Ontario, I was Link inside Eagle's Tower fighting a Kirby Rip-off enemy. As for the "left handed" part, you know who I admired more for doing things left-handed? Jimi Hendrix. Refused to play a guitar right-handed so he flipped a right-handed guitar around, re-strung it for left-handed use and made it FUCKING ICONIC. I know that not everybody may like Jimi Hendrix, that's cool. However to me, seeing this man absolutely go nuts on a Fender that he made into his just made him so much more for me. I am a white guy from Canada who can barely play guitar, I couldn't be any more unlike Hendrix. I always felt "represented" or "attached" to him as a role model for that drive. You don't need to be a mirror image of your heroes/role models/RPG character to be inspired or represented.

[@MinskUK]

Last thing I want in a video game is to be represented. I have my real life for that.

[@quij7ote222]

That experiment concerning girls playing apparently prompted unnuanced theories. When I was a girl I wanted to play cowboy. I didn't fantasize the cowboy being ONLY me. My cowboy was brave, good at violence, great with horses, extremely competent at ranch things, stoic and smart. That cowboy was an aspirational me. Not a me as I am. Girls have as much imagination as anyone else if their brains aren't chained by ideology and expectation.

[@Michal235]

Yeah I disagreed with that part. I grew up with 3 sisters and 3 brothers and I remember very well similarities and differences between the way we used to play, and both boys and girls wanted to be their characters. We played together a lot but still in general girls preferred drawings, princessess etc. We, boys, generally wanted to be great fighters and great men (that we obviously weren't) and girls generally wanted to be beautiful, self-confident, shining princesses (they obviously weren't), so I totally disagree with that specific point they made in the video, girls weren't projecting themselves in their characters.

[@spiritsplice]

No, they don't. NAXALTing about outliers doesnt change anything.

[@dinosaurwoman]

As a woman who is a diabetic because I got near to obese, what I see is we're once again pushing unhealthy body images. It used to be we all needed to be like Kate Moss; now we all need to be like Gabourey Sidibe. Women will always be under attack when it comes to our looks. I just want women to choose to be healthy, and I am sick of girls being taught the exact opposite.

[@johnw574]

You're not a victim, you're a consumer and they're trying to get you to buy products.

[@lexnight8345]

Well, women are under attack when it comes to looks because that's what you use to get around life... it's easy to see who's the most dominant girl in a group, the most beautiful one, that can get the most men.

[@spiekd]

@@lexnight8345 Sadly true.Also attractive women often try to sabotage good relationships of other women if they think the guy could be useful.

[@lexnight8345]

@spiekd I didn't want to go that hard on women ... but I have another one. Those less successful will stick around the most beautiful for their leftovers. I know a few girls like this where the hot one gets the men, and when she finds better or gets bored, passes them to hers friends

[@One-Ring-To-Rule-Them-All]

If you are a beautiful woman you might have some advantages, but I have found out that being an average looking woman but being nice and friendly and treating others with kindness and respect gets you much further... 😉

[@Korschtal]

The elephant in the room regarding that fight is that if the "warrior" and 'monster' are colleagues, then the monster lets her win, which says more than I think the producers wanted to say.

[@Jessica_Jones]

I hadn't thought about it but that point about boys "becoming Batman" and girls turning Batman into themselves really is fascinating! I'll definitely have to look into that. I would say I "can't believe" what they've done in that ad, but, well, nothing really surprises me anymore it seems. I'm only relieved to hear all of you speaking reason, as well as most of the folks in the comments. It gives me hope, lol. Thanks for all you guys do!

[@SouthernGothicYT]

"74% of girls feel underrepresented in video games" Me staring down Link's ass in LOZ: ...huh?

[@maidenofiron]

😂

[@EverythingAnimated87]

Also, are they talking to 74% of women who actually play games? Or are these statistics from women who never played a game in their life?

[@evosquest1]

@@EverythingAnimated87 Candy Crush counts so obviously they mean 74% of the "Gaming" population and 74% of the world Population too because Maffs!

[@davidcox3076]

I've seen a number of Greek statues, mostly in books. They tend to be the epitome of physical perfection. Even later with "Rubenesque" sculptures and paintings the figures are curvy. But not 400 lb. blobs. As a certified lard-ass, I am not offended by not being represented at all. This was essentially "the media" for our ancient ancestors. I think they were on to something back then.

[@Cbd_7ohm]

They didn't have large amounts of obesity to even model that type of stuff, so of course they didn't have 400 pound man/woman statues.

[@lalehiandeity1649]

@@Cbd_7ohmAncient people had healthier diets simply because a lot of the ingredients that fatten you up, like sugar, were expensive as fuck. 😂

[@Cbd_7ohm]

@@lalehiandeity1649 This is true. Pure sucrose was like pure illegal crack now as far as prices (I specify illegal because in reality freebase cocaine can be easily mass produced these days and it is only illegality and corruption as well as inflation, that increases prices).

[@Lunatic89097]

If Lizzo is the supposed standard of beauty, then why do women get mad when you tell them they're as beautiful as Lizzo?

[@wolfsokaya]

That Lara Croft meme was an attack against my face. It hurted after laughing way too much. :D

[@sandmaker47]

This is honestly the first time I'm hearing ppl want to be represented in games. I play and watch movies to get away from reality. From small ppl carrying huge swords bigger than them to 1 person decimating armies

[@JustaGuy_Gaming]

Representation is impossible. No matter who you put in a movie or game, you leave people out. It's not about equal representation, that would take an infinite number of characters, all equally represented in screen time. No they take out characters to put in other characters. It's a zero profit change. Your not gaining anything, your taking away as much as you give.

[@alexandresobreiramartins9461]

Representation actually means "I'm the creator of this game (or whatever) and I'm putting ME in this character". That's it. It's just ego boosting. It's got nothing to do with social inclusion or any other BS these people claim.

[@HumanPerson_final]

It's just pandering and marketing for the company, but to the consumers who buy into this drivel, it's narcissism. That's the core of progressive "representation" ideologues. "Me me me" disguised as "us us us"

[@sallydiver9143]

Not infinite just around 8 billion though lol

[@cattysplat]

@@alexandresobreiramartins9461 Or virtue signalling, tokenism and box ticking. By trying to please everyone you please no one.

[@cattysplat]

@@sallydiver9143 Wouldn't surprise me if animal rights activists and people who identify as an animal start demanding animal representation.

[@stevenschultz9637]

I don't know who needs to hear this, but it's okay to be attractive.

[@nhmooytis7058]

Wow what a great panel!

[@Terminal_Apotos]

Usually People make their avatars look BETTER on Purpose, Dove wanted to do the EXACT OPPOSITE yet the avatar is still slightly less obese than the real person 😂

[@grandmufftwerkin9037]

Dove definitely wants to lure them in, and then render them into soap. 😬

[@marcuskahn3783]

Chubby Chasers Matter monogrammed on every supersized block of soap that Dove sell taking all the rack space...a lot of merchant ships will have to wait a decade before they can unload the rest.

[@medigoomnis]

Correct except the last word should be "money."

[@cattysplat]

Tyler Durden running the company.

[@Zakkeus]

Unreal. Up is down. Left is right. Fat is skinny. Ugly is beautiful. What a clown world we live in...

[@clockstomper]

Japanese fantasy anime written by women don't seem to have issues with being egocentric. Probably the model we should go for.

[@Emo-Otaku66]

FMA is one of the best Manga/Animes ever made, and it was created by a woman

[@holyfamily4753]

Violet Evergarden was created mostly by women, but it is a masterpiece.

[@charleshetrick3152]

Shouldn’t we be more offended that she still felt forced to shave her armpits?

[@Dack.howaboutyou]

Gotta sell those hair removal products!

[@bailysawyer804]

I remember playing the witcher when I was overweight and thinking “that’s what I wanna be, I don’t want to be fat anymore” and now I’ve lost the weight and owe a large part of my inspiration to start from the witcher 3. But no instead they should’ve just made geralt fatter so I could look more like him without putting in any effort

[@chrisw6164]

I can’t be the only one who remembers Dove had a trans “mom” in one of their ads several years ago.

[@oddcrafter1270]

Gross!

[@puppiesarepower3682]

LMAO!!! I cant stop laughing!! 🤭😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣🤣 Dude, I'd expect this from Better Bachelor, but didn't expect this from you. LMAO!! 😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣😂😂😂 🚫😾🚫 🚫🐋🚫 PUPPY POWER!!

[@elusivemayfly7534]

I’m a lady who games. I don’t relate to this. I like playing all sorts of characters, including beautiful warrior women. It has not ever occurred to me to compare myself to a character physically, other than to aspire to get toned or whatever. I do relate to a well-written hero’s motivations and strengths and weaknesses

[@ProgSnob14]

As someone raised on bad health, who got fat and didn't enjoy highschool. I used my independence and freedom to get in shape and strive for better.

[@nateblack972]

2:05 "She Bulk" did not get the laughter it deserved 😂

[@christophergillette7167]

Hating someone because they are attractive feels rather similar to hating someone for not being attractive… When will people realize that pointing hatred at someone else guarantees hate will never go away? Hurts my brain

[@ProxyDoug]

I wonder if they even realize how narcissistic it is for her way to unwind to be just sitting in front of a mirror and look at herself.

[@efenzl]

I don't understand why 'representation' has become such an important aspect of media these days. In no way was I 'represented' in Metroid, but is was still a great game. In no way am I 'represented' in the Jackie Chan film "Rumble in the Bronx" and yet it's one of my favorite martial arts movies. Not being able to enjoy games and media where you are not represented seems rather narcissistic to me.

[@mresturk9336]

Want to know why I stopped giving a crap about "objectification"? I kept hearing the way women talk about the men they fancy. Objectification is just part of human nature.

[@arekpetrosian4965]

Bloody hell, there are some things you just can't unsee...

[@rockerknight25]

Whenever I watch a movie from before 2000 I'm always blown away by just how attractive everyone in the movie is. Watching Starship Troopers I nearly cut my eyes on their jawlines.

[@dinosaurwoman]

🤣🤣🤣

[@carlfromtheoc1788]

Dina Meyers. Amirite?

[@JOHN----DOE]

You do realize their appearance is largely an ironic parody of the superhero stuff, right? All jaw, no brain (the aliens have the brain).

[@chatteyj]

@@carlfromtheoc1788 Denise Richards, such a shame she wasn't in the shower scene

[@chindleymuffin]

If you listen to the Director's Commentary on Starship Troopers, you find out that Paul Verhoeven did that deliberately, he also deliberately chose actors who looked and acted like Soap Opera actors too. It was meant to be camp, cheesy and almost unreal, as a stark contrast to the brutal horrors of war later in the movie. He is a very smart director and he used the scriptwriter from Robocop (Ed Neumier) because he knew how to write great satire.