Drinker's Chasers - The Witcher: Destroyed By Its Own Writers

[@ringkunmori]

No wonder Henry Cavill is so well built, he's been carrying the entire show on his back.

[@JackEverton101]

Lol He wanted to look the part and be the best Witcher he could be…

[@masamune2984]

I actually laughed.😂

[@djc1376]

It's because of all the flying around saving people it keeps you jacked

[@C64_Mat]

Boom!

[@obi-wan3916]

Henry Cavill is the hero nerd culture needed in these dark times.

[@Komix777]

Netflix's Witcher did everything that Rings of Power did: disrespect the books and the culture that created them, race swap a bunch of characters to "reflect the world we live in" and show nothing but contempt for the source material.

[@Jackman1st]

At least Amazon didn’t race swap well established fan favourite characters!

[@JackEverton101]

Don’t forget halo… They got in on that sweet sweet cringe woke shit too!

[@Ghost101]

Disrespect is an understatement. It's total bastardization.

[@ErikDeMann]

@@JackEverton101 It is *all* of them now. We're generally just too focused on one show at a time, and then the next and so on, but the bigger picture is undeniable, when you look at the output from the entertainment business as a whole. And that's how social engineering experiments usually are carried out on an unsuspecting population, until one day everybody suddenly wakes up and goes, 'Holy fuck, I'm living in Russia in the 1950'es!'

[@golem5202]

It's the same with Wheel of time.

[@solarsailer4166]

So glad Cavill is out, good for him. So nice to see someone with some integrity and class who sticks to their values.

[@tommymecousinlostmecar4165]

Cavill is a rare type of guy in Hollywood.

[@trevorfilis537]

He deserves better for sure

[@alberto5770]

Saw maybe 5 chapters and left unfinished... Necer even tested second season.

[@waynemcleod6767]

Agreed. One of the very few.

[@piotrd.4850]

Not that it is hard to him - he has plenty of options, basically he's setting rules now.

[@TheSektorz]

It sucks when a great actor who actually cares about the story and is capable of making the show amazing gets driven out by the bland, generic, talentless, cringey, narcissistic, off-the-shelf writers Netflix, Amazon, Disney and the rest just HAVE to hire. Oh we're doing great as a species, bois. Anyone left with any talent or real aspirations to make a great show is swiftly pushed out. Can't have that. "Your skills don't matter, it only matters what you tweet." - Netflix hiring tagline, probably.

[@albedz7759]

Man fuck Netflix and fuck the Twitterati.

[@oliverjamesatkinson]

Well put. His scenes we're the only highlight. The rest were cringe

[@TheCentralScrutinizerAgain]

yeah i can imagine them seething behind their grey masks when cavill was putting them straight about what Geralt would and wouldn`t do.

[@Balandrus]

Just look at who the showrunner is. Another example of this tribe appropriating and subverting European cultures. It's deliberate.

[@sheepherder911]

@@Balandrus they really don't like us as a general group. They only seem to tolerate us as long as we can be taken advantage of without complaint. As soon as the complaints start, the '-ist' and '-phobe' labels get thrown out. And if there are pointed complaints at the tribe, well just look at Kanye and Kyrie Irving, as well as Mel Gibson before them.

[@g.e.o.r.g.e...]

If Henry were just a WRITER on the show, and not the main draw... the showrunners would've just fired him. Standing up for the fandom is a capital offence to these weirdos. Their aim is to destroy.

[@cosmictreason2242]

It’s the propaganda arm of the Marxist long march thorough the institutions

[@declanjones8888]

Completely agree those hack writers were a bunch of narcissistic jerks who thought they were better than the original source material, I can only hope the controversies of this show haunt their careers.

[@fc7307]

What I cannot understand is why these studios keep hiring showrunners and writers that know nothing about the source material? Is it that hard to look for writers who do? Or did the studio think that if you adapt the material faithfully only a few people will like it?

[@g.e.o.r.g.e...]

@@fc7307 Because the goal is to ruin things. Weirdos who hate the fanbase, the culture in general or find something to be "problematic" will infiltrate everything and install gatekeepers. Companies are largely doing it to themselves, by allowing the mafia-style shakedown of "Diversity Inclusion and Equity" boards to control a lot of the hiring. It's probably pretty easy to pitch the suits on bad ideas, if you have charts representing twitter moods as real-life.

[@AxenfonKlatismrek]

If you want Better show, watch Spartacus Blood and Sand! It was made with love and passion. Even the cheesiest moments have heart in it

[@meggreen4058]

I feel so bad for Henry; it’s honestly so upsetting and disappointing to get into a project that you love and are passionate about, only to realize you’re the only one who really cares about the vision of what came before. Made even worse with the realization that there is nothing you can do to make it better, and ultimately decide to leave out of principle and respect.

[@ptonpc]

Many of the BTS team were equally passionate about it. A guy on YT called Tod Cutler made weapons for it and has a couple of videos where he and the armour talk about the swords etc. Every one told a story about the character who used it.

[@toms7114]

Reminds me of John Cho with what Netflix did to Cowboy Bebop. Except that show got cancelled before he could quit.

[@JohnDoe-wq5eu]

@@toms7114 Honestly, John cho and the guy who played Jet were excellent and we're as good as they could have possibly been for the roles they were given. It was Faye Valentine's actress, the writers and the various creative decisions that sunk that show. It's always a shame to see people who give something they're all but they're completely screwed over by things out of their control.

[@toothgrinder2760]

Henry Cavill was born in the wrong decade. Had he been maybe 10 or 20 years older he’d have been a super star on the level of Schwarzenegger, Stallone, Snipes, Cage, Russell and Reeves. Everything about Cavill is the antithesis of what modern Hollywood has been looking for in a male actor over at least the last 8 years. I’m positive he’s been shunned by the Hollywood machine cause of the !mmutable characteristics he was born with and definitely because he doesn’t tow the line.

[@toothgrinder2760]

@@JohnDoe-wq5eu ​ John Cho is underrated and definitely looked over as an actor in Hollywood imo. He was great in “Better Luck Tomorrow” and of course has great comedic roles as well. He’s due for something to take him to the next level. Too bad Cowboy Bebop wasn’t it.

[@ivanstepanovic1327]

I read somewhere that several years ago, Dmitry Glukhovsky, the author of Metro 2033 was approached by some American company and they wanted to make a movie or a TV show based on his book. He agreed, but requested a clause in the contract that he can pull the plug on everything if he is not pleased with the work the writers do on adapting his novel. Basically, they needed his final approval or no filming... One day, they said "Done" and brought the script. He read it and said smth like "What is this?! This is not even close to what I wrote! Forget it"! And it was never filmed... Which is most likely for the best... I wish there was the same clause with the Witcher or Rings of Power... And many other works...

[@KarmaSpaz12]

The problem is some authors just want to see a one to one translation of their book to film but the thing is all the stuff readers fill in the gaps with ourselves have to be filled in on script. For example in a book we can be given an inner monologue, or be told a certain amount of time has passed by the narrator and not any specific character but to have two scenes like that back to back there has to be something visually representing that on screen to convey to the audience what's going on.

[@isaiahsmith7123]

Love it, we've had 3 good narratives from that series and a number of Novels, I'd rather them lean into its madness and produce an off kilter, but faithful, and narratively compelling indie film, than a big budget blockbuster that appeals to "the wider audience".

[@cosmicprison9819]

I hope Brandon Sanderson remembers to put such a clause in all of his contracts, now that Hollywood has come knocking at his door. 🤔

[@Lonovavir]

@@cosmicprison9819: Please let this happen. His Mistborn Novels are amazing and deserve faithful onscreen adaptations.

[@hoosieryank6731]

Someone should hav egiven him Jim Butcher's phone number, asked him when the 2nd season of the Dresden Files was coming out.

[@TheSkepticalPanda]

This whole Witcher debacle deepens my respect for Henry as an actor, professional, and fan of the actual story himself.

[@Matthew-ij3zm]

I bet that regardless of what he thinks of the writing in the show, he'd be unable to play Superman and the Witcher at the same time and ultimately that was the main reason why he left. But you guys wanna ride his dick so hard yet you can't admit you just find him hot.

[@Justanotherguy83]

Absolutely

[@AxenfonKlatismrek]

From the trailer i knew this was gonna be garbage, and then returned to rewatching Spartacus: Blood and Sand. Speaking of which, go watch Spartacus: Blood and Sand, its much better than most of hollywood

[@AxenfonKlatismrek]

If you want good show from 2010s which is FAR BETTER than Witcher TV show(Both Der Hexer and This one), its Spartacus: Blood and Sand

[@sukamadik5983]

Those writers took a Golden goose and completely ruined it in season 2 and now they're losing by far the greatest thing in The Witcher Netflix series.

[@_Stormfather]

They did the same thing with LotR and WoT

[@Lonovavir]

The show should be cancelled at this point.

[@divinecomedian2]

The show was fucked from season 1 episode 1. What a boring, uninspired mess.

[@remusventanus5341]

Season 2? I couldn't get past 4 episodes in season 1.

[@fuckwitmcdipshit2963]

@@remusventanus5341 I looked at the casting call and laughed. Then i looked showrunner and writers twitter and decided not to watch anything these know nothings are involved.

[@ViperChief117]

Henry Cavill was the only reason why I was watching the series to begin with. Netflix hiring Liam Hemsworth basically destroyed the entire franchise. Lmao

[@Avzigoyhbasilsikos]

Same

[@JackEverton101]

Don’t wanna be that guy, but they should absolutely just cancel now and save us all the disappointment…

[@newtpondskipper]

Pretty much.

[@Michael_CDK]

I like Liam Hemsworth, but yeah he isn't saving this.

[@Dakblasta]

Ya there is no way he can suddenly come in and save it, why can I see the coming failure and the people that get paid are blind

[@canadious6933]

Main characters in the books were Geralt, Ciri and Yen. The show ditched Geralt, changed Ciri's story and destroyed Yen's character. What even?

[@proto-geek248]

You have to get rid of the tedious distractions before you can present to the world how amazingly forward thinking you are.

[@Maladjester]

coughStarWarscough

[@juhosten3463]

Even yennefer is a side character who only gets her pov shared in couple of chapter until like the fifth book

[@Faust64]

What an own goal by the shows creators.... A main actor who loves the source material, a superb tome to draw upon and a passionate fanbase.... How can you screw this up!!

[@JPresto]

Write to appease the 🌈 mythical modern audience 🌈, of course.

[@dragonforks93]

It is a show of tremendous arrogance and sheer f*cking hubris on the part of the "writers", they think they know better than the author so they treat the story like a vague guideline, axing all the stuff that doesn't suit their sensibilities and replacing it with ideological puritanism. These are the people that George Orwell warned us about.

[@attila2246]

Could've been the next Game of Thrones (at least the first few seasons), what a waste

[@migueldelmazo5244]

Practice, practice, practice.

[@brionreichers1871]

Ego and narcissism

[@vlad4o813]

The writers of the Witcher coming out as hating the source material reminds me of when 343i admitted to hating the original Halo Trilogy. I have no idea how the hell do such people ever get to work on projects like this when they clearly hate what came before.

[@helios0074]

Add that 343 made it almost neccessary to read the atrocious post-Reach novels to understand the trainwreck plot of their games, as well as the huge amounts of fuckups and glitches that have plagued their games.

[@deanfirnatine7814]

The only qualification you need in Hollywood is be woke

[@mattandrews2594]

It's basically an inevitable situation. Writers that are published enough to even be considered for a high value property such as this, will be talented enough to believe more in their own ideas rather than the source material. There just isn't going to be overlap between hardcore fans of the material AND a famous writer(s). This is true of most things nowadays, not just he Witcher series. The only theoretical solution is to to have the original writer calling the shots, but there's good reasons that rarely happens. Either they can't write for the screen, or they are busy with other projects.

[@johnboylan3832]

@@deanfirnatine7814 Having no foreskin helps.

[@tomharrington1453]

I have always believed the best decision Peter Jackson made was filming the Lord of the Rings movies in New Zealand. I believe that just being thousands of miles from the studio heads and their spies and minions probably prevented a lot of meddling from outsiders. Probably helped him avoid the suggestions like “we need a precocious kid in here so we can sell action figurers” or “we need an adorable grandmother who swears like a sailor”. That forced cute stuff is usually how Hollywood messes up fantasy movies.

[@Kyle-lx7xo]

100%, but also I think it was simply made at the perfect time in terms of pre woke, technology, director, cast, set, ect.

[@kaseigunsou]

Jackson says something very interesting in the bonus material, (I think it is from the FotR bonus). He says the Lord of the Rings is the "biggest amateur film ever made". I think he nails the reason why these movies are so successful and relevant today. They weren't the product of multi billion dollar worth overlods who came up with an agenda or a political statement. They were just movies made by a passionate bunch of Tolkien fans who tried to do justice to the books while bringing it to a wider younger audience and doing something fun about it. Basically, these movies were made by people just like us, fans, only more talented than us in their specific field. Which gave life to a very organic production. Like the artist single handedly doing Barad Dur destruction animation during his Christmas holidays. Like these horse riders answering the call and traveling all the way to their own expense with their horse just because they had the opportunity to portray rohirrim for a couple shots in the movie. Like these guys who attached chainmail and lost their fingerprints by the end. Like these countless artists who had the book by their side to channel the best out of their love for Tolkien and his words. That's all, no agenda, no behind the scenes messages, nothing else than fans, love for the source material, and the will to work hard to make the best out of it.

[@asmosisyup2557]

No, it wasn't because it was made in NZ. It was because it was made in 2001, well before all this stupidity started to gain traction.

[@Midnitethorn]

The only reason I stuck with this show as long as I did was because of Henry. I sort of feel bad for Liam because Netflix will probably just tell him the fans hate him, not the writing, and he'll be dragged into the Twitter wars. Idk why its so hard to just write a good story, especially when one is GIVEN to you

[@maximilianbeyer5642]

Because a story which tackles issues like racism and has many strong female characters apparently wasn’t woke enough for them

[@rhyscallinan8891]

Because they hate.

[@TheAcad3mic]

Yeah he has impossible shoes to fill, but I won't be watching season 3.

[@AstralDragoon]

Writing a good story is hard work, and a strong work ethic is difficult to maintain when someone's primary interest is posting Tweets and waiting for validation. The people Hollywood is hiring as writers have stunted imaginations, bloated egos, and a lack of interest in storycraft beyond the praise it might garner them on the Internet. They're really not cut out for the job, but they get hired because they'll work for cheap and push fashionable politics.

[@proto-geek248]

Dumping social justice down your throat is more important than presenting a good story.

[@danielclark-hughes692]

This is wilful destruction of our heroes and stories. Grateful Cavill had the appreciation of the material and clout to stem the tide as much as he could, love that man.

[@joeterzio7175]

The Witcher is a personal hero of yours? Good lord, we're doomed.

[@christoffermogensen6018]

@@joeterzio7175 don’t worry - Biden just said he is in good shape🫡 Although, if Daniel is like the witcher, I will pay him in coin🪙🐺

[@danielclark-hughes692]

@@joeterzio7175 Not a personal hero but very much an interesting and complex figure. He can certainly be a catalyst for examining aspects of people in tough situations. Plus, he fights cool shit.

[@supremecaffeine2633]

@@joeterzio7175 Then we've been doomed since the stone age. People have been looking up to heroes since forever.

[@JPresto]

The show burned me far before the news of Henry Cavill leaving. The main character being sidelined in his own damn show (where have we seen that before?) is what killed it for me.

[@RUAmplified]

For realz. I’ve never played the game or read the books but I don’t remember Major thing Henry’s character did in season 2

[@Theendman42]

In the books sometimes the focus was on Ciri and sometimes the focus was on Geralt. But the writing is iffy.

[@lawbinson]

In the games, it moves to Ciri at times. But, it’s not even that, it’s the complete butchering of the source material and characters. There are examples of other shows that moves around several main characters that are successful.

[@penelope3926]

Legit, the whole time I was like “where is Geralt?!” Had barely any lines or story line for that matter. Didn’t even fight many monsters 😭 It was all the wamyn characters (who were also destroyed and turned into the usual unlikeable, obnoxious and 2-dimensional ‘boss bish’ stereotype we see in every hollywood flop today). No wonder this show failed!

[@scarletsletter4466]

@@penelope3926 I agree they ruined the wamyn characters, as well. This weird boss bish trope is old already & the irony is that it's really for the male gaze anyway, bc actual women don't have power fantasies in the same way that men do. There are plenty of powerful women in history but in different ways

[@dimreturns1190]

Henry Cavill doesn't even have to know the source material "better". He only needs to know and respect the spirit of it and the characters.

[@chasehedges6775]

Destroyed by its own writers. The same could be said about Kenobi and Book Of Boba Fett. The mediocre/horrible writing killed any potential those shows had.

[@oldsoul1758]

Tales of the Jedi....its good.

[@chasehedges6775]

@@oldsoul1758 That looks like meh Disney Wars content

[@Dravianpn02]

@@oldsoul1758 why keep supporting the company that keeps destroying classics and franchises and insults you?

[@Dravianpn02]

@@oldsoul1758 "damn. Disney keeps making mistakes and ruining things!" *continues to support them*

[@ethansnyder3401]

Book of Boba Fett was Favreau and Filoni too, love rubbing that one in

[@Jack-kb5nb]

If you ever needed a warning sign about the Witcher tv show is that Henry Cavil is leaving. He was so excited to play Garalt, he went out of his way to read all the books and he played the games and now he’s leaving the project. That’s what is called a Red Flag

[@angelofverdun456]

It doesn’t hurt that James Gunn is overseeing DC. The very opposite of a red flag

[@TheSanien]

No Cavil was a fan before the show. He read the books and played the game before and I belive he read the boks again after he got the role 👍

[@spacequack5470]

@@angelofverdun456 Which is completely irrelevant to the current subject. Work on your reading comprehension, its terrible. Nobody said a single thing about DC and James Gunn, this is a Witcher comment. Smh

[@angelofverdun456]

@@spacequack5470 he’s playing Superman again… that’s the point, duuuuuurrr

[@newtpondskipper]

They didn't deserve the love he brought to the role.

[@ezekialjackson2011]

Credit to Henry for sticking to his beliefs and walking away, the guy did everything he could to try and maintain an essence of care towards the source material and how it was portrayed on screen but ultimately it's a losing endeavour. It will be reflected in the viewing numbers because this show will get dropped by the vast majority of people i imagine, without Henry advocating to respect the source material the show will just delve further and further into complete shite.

[@Andy009Duncan]

Season three may kick off with some large but constantly dwindling percentage of season one viewing figures, mainly because Cavill is still in it, but those figures may be close enough to zero by the end of the season to lead to a cancellation of season four. How long can Hollywood keep wasting money on this commie Woke nonsense and how many franchises can they destroy before the tide turns? Let's hope that it's not much longer now and that Superman's return will be as non-Woke as House of the Dragon to help kill off the Woke commie virus.

[@quasarleon4645]

Lemme guess .. they are planning to remake it with a female lead and call it "WITCH-HER" ?!

[@bradcarver8127]

Yes starring Frosk.

[@newtpondskipper]

Those powers will be perfect, when used by a woman.

[@meatpuppet5036]

And Dylan Mulvaney as Ciri. (If you don't know who that is, count your blessings and don't search it)

[@Theendman42]

Lmao, the fact that the female version of a “Witcher” is just a witch, lmao.

[@immortaljanus]

@@Theendman42 The Woman Witcher.

[@adamjensen1831]

i feel like the only reason he used his rune powers was because Henry Cavill insisted.

[@halcyo]

I felt my heart sink very early on in the first season when the show was speedily careening into “teenage/Y.A. female soap opera drama fantasy”.

[@ArcaneAnouki]

Everything feminist turns to shit

[@gloryshadow8710]

yeah and they confirmed it by hiring Liam Hemsworth. A teenage Witcher...

[@benjaminaltube8731]

It's literal death by author. Because damn Zapkowski literally shunned the games because they didn't pay him more than they agreed on but then sold his soul to fucking Netflix

[@TheCentralScrutinizerAgain]

i read that he left the show because the ruined it before it even started? but yes he put his name on it I guess, same as Lucas sold the soul of Star Wars

[@ravenheartwraith]

Zapkowski is a hack, he created a neat world, which some claim is copied from another, but either way his book story is crap. His books wouldn’t even be translated in English without the success of the games( I played and loved all 3)... let alone a tv show.

[@jumhed994]

@@ravenheartwraith I'm enjoying the books

[@letalissonus]

Fun fact: The initial offer from CDPR would have made him filthy rich, but he rejected it anyway. He was so insistent on his delusion that 'no adaption will ever reach the ingenuity and authenticity of a book, therefore this will fail hard' that he demanded a laughably small one time payment instead of earning a small share for every copy sold like they offered him. He didn't even care what exactly they were going to do with his source materials, he was just in it for the quick money grab - leaving CDPR with an almost free blank slate to work on without any restrictions. It's kind of understandable that he wanted more after the game series exploded, but oh boy did he work hard to NOT get paid adequately in the first place... Looks like history repeats itself once again, except that he seems to have learned his capitalism lesson this time.

[@pewienkurczak4581]

Sapkowski said he was very happy "with Lauren's work", so...

[@sirminty8495]

This is the kind of stuff that's pushing me to learn how to write and why I want to go into writing stories and stuff so I can fix this garbage. Channeling my inner "Fine, I'll do it myself" energy here.

[@Ilyak1986]

I hear you there. The problem I'm suffering from is: "Oh hey, I have various cool scenes in my head...but...all the stuff that goes *around* them?" Wat to do ;(

[@hapablap2088]

I hope your daddy can afford to get you in, because thats the only way to get a gig in hollywood.

[@Bhavyo]

Good luck! I understand, that in some way these horrible story writers and showrunners can motivate one self.

[@Ghost-ql3hl]

I feel the exact same way Like seeing all this bullshit and then thinking Nah fuck it I can write a better story than that

[@papadoug4681]

@@Ilyak1986 Be me listening to music and suddenly "yo wait there's a cool scene i can write around this" It's a curse isnt it?

[@thomasace2547]

Hiring people who hate the source material It’s completely f*cling bonkers logic Glad Henry left the travesty,

[@Komix777]

They hire the cheapest, not the best, unfortunately.

[@thomasace2547]

@@Komix777 hell I’d write for the cheap But it’s not about quality anymore, it’s about “the message”

[@Bhavyo]

@@thomasace2547 Left politics are also pushing it, its US/Europe agenda and all over the place which includes stuff like pushing puberty blockers for teenagers after making them unsure about their gender. There is something really sinister going on. Its not just some idiotic showmakers.

[@ekscalybur]

@@Komix777 Just stop calling this incompetence. It's intentional.

[@immortaljanus]

Brought to you by.... the HR department.

[@thomasarnoldcoe6527]

Cavill was easily the best part of the show. However, there some serious problems. 1) the unfocused narrative. It’s all over the place and hard to follow. Casuals would not stick around. 2) The best parts were focused on Geralt, and the show could have built the lore around his story. 3) the triangle between Geralt, Triss and Yennifer was completely dismantled, which is a classic TV staple that retains viewership 4) killing off Roach, who was a more likeable and sympathetic character than most of the humans I can’t help but think that this show would have been better if it was shot in the 90’s. It would have lost at lot of the swearing, graphic violence, nudity and sex (all good things to get rid of in my estimation) and replaced them with a slow burning, episodic narrative that slow built to a season long arc.

[@walterscientist]

It would be unlikely to get a season long arc in the nineties. Also it was really hard to get any sort of passable special effects for a show at the time. You would probably end up getting something totally episodic and really cheesy, like Xena: The Warrior Princess. I'd say it would work better if it was done in the noughties, perhaps around the time the first game came out in 2007.

[@R4G34D0N]

If they followed the books, the problems you list would go away

[@mariusmitre492]

Don't forget that they killed Eskel right after they made him into a douchebag that makes Lambert look like a nice person.

[@highlands]

It's the Witcher, not True Detective. The books are full of violence and sex. What you want is something even worse than what they produced.

[@AxenfonKlatismrek]

My suggestion would be: watch Spartacus blood and sand from Starz. It is what the Witcher show wished it was.

[@joedirt6222]

Henry was an amazing Witcher. He knew and respected the lore. The show was already a bit marginal, but I stuck with it due to him. He fought for a more true adaptation to the lore along the way. Imagine what a sh*tshow it would have been had he not? I'll watch season 3 possibly then I'm out.

[@Dravianpn02]

Still support a show that hates the source material? Why? You're giving them what they want.

[@joedirt6222]

@@Dravianpn02 Well I'll wait for reviewers that I trust to review it before watching it such as the Drinker. If it's woke trash I absolutely won't watch it.

[@Dravianpn02]

@@joedirt6222 I meant just on principle overall, not one of the products they make.

[@rubbishopinions6468]

@@joedirt6222 What are you talking about IF it's woke trash? It's people like you who give them a thousand chances that keep these shows going. Season 1 was barely passable and season 2 was offensively bad. Just walk away.

[@triumphoverdeath]

How does netflix look at this situation and not want to get rid of their writers

[@rhyscallinan8891]

They are the same people who chose to keep Cuties on their platform, still there. Despite its contents, the backlash and the loss of subs. Why are we suprised they did what they did?

[@TheSanien]

Becuase they are stupid AF. They are no fan of any of this, the leadership is only fan of money so what would they know? But they will when season 4 shit hits the fan.

[@johnboylan3832]

Because they are following the woke script and doing exactly what Netflix want.

[@AxenfonKlatismrek]

I'm grateful Starz didn't made Spartacus blood and sand in today's world, and they called Raimi as Producer.

[@dcmastermindfirst9418]

DEI I believe

[@DeltaAssaultGaming]

They did completely miscast Yennefer and Triss

[@maubraymzoma6616]

The Triss thing really gets to me🤦🏾‍♂️

[@vincentfalcone9218]

Yennifer isn't too bad but Triss is just awful

[@MellowFungus]

Triss pissed me off that as soon as I saw her, I only managed 1-2 more episodes. Then I gave up

[@misanthropicservitorofmars2116]

@@vincentfalcone9218 yennifer is a fine actress tbh I’m not a fan of how they portrayed her and I don’t think the actress is attractive.

[@JPresto]

Aren’t those characters supposed to be the most beautiful/attractive women in the world?

[@traviss9059]

Imagine if Henry was at say Tom Cruise's level of stardom and he was unhappy with the way the writing team was treating the source material. He could literally have a catastrophic melt down on set and the entire team of writers would be fired the next day. And I kind of wish he flipped a shit on social media, something probably would have been done about it.

[@Fe7Ace]

He seems like just a nice guy tbh, and having "catastrophic melt downs" or "flipping a shit" on twitter isn't nice guy style it's undignified and unprofessional. I think by leaving the show graciously he's still taking a jab at these showrunners but giving the ppl who would critisie him no ammo to use against him which is smart.

[@Xplora213]

@@Fe7Ace or maybe he’s an actor and fakes the meltdown to get them fired and get the project moving forward again?

[@georged.5595]

@@Xplora213 he's still a nice, polite, well-mannered and well-spoken guy (from what he shows publicly at least, but if he's faking a persona then he is putting a lot more effort than most actors nowadays) so I don't think he'd consider faking a meltdown. I do believe what he did end up doing instead was much better, as it gets a lot more people talking while he also gets to keep his dignity. Unfortunately for the fans we'll have to wait for a better adaptation to come, but Henry has done all he could with this one and probably wishes to see a proper adaptation just as much as any of us.

[@Valium762]

Cavill deserves all the respect and support we can give him. I can't think of another big hollywood star that's ever fought on our behalf like Henry did.

[@stormiewutzke4190]

He's got my respect for not taking a shit on a great story.

[@Treebsquire]

I'd personally love it if they just cancelled the show and did a soft reboot film (Serenity style) with a better creative team, who actually give a shit about the source material, and got Cavill back.

[@IRedpunk]

Sadly Netflix can’t do shit and is woke af

[@dienekes6420]

And the last line on the movie being "... And you can't take the sky from me" with no context.

[@Locke19901]

I'm a leaf on the wind

[@ladrok97]

Better solution - we will wait again 2 decades for TV adaptation and after next huge failure people will start watching first TV version with subtitles

[@durkadurka4557]

It started deviating halfway thru the 1st season. Geralt is a monster killer, and that's pretty much it. Minimal character development other than Geralt. Yes there are other characters but he goes from town to town doing what he's good at. They should have done that pretty much the entire first season and very gradually introduced other characters in following seasons. Shows like this ALWAYS start thinking other characters need story arcs to keep the audience interested and slowly start to lose viewers

[@mistersparkles1842]

Well put

[@albertbresca8904]

i thought that was the gist of the whole thing (that he is some awesome monster killer) and i didn't like how it just became a soapy.... so stopped watching it after 1st season as i was hoping it would get better... i guess he is helped leaving the show as he has somewhere else to go and being offered plenty of money....

[@CynicalOldDwarf]

I remember watching the first ep of season 2, it's him and Ciri playing monster detective and figuring out who the monster really was, and I was hoping the rest of the season would be that. Instead we got... I've honestly forgotten.

[@ronaldbell7429]

But the source material is (and always was) secondary. The writers & producers had an agenda that they wanted to push, some social engineering they wanted to do, and they simply wanted a way to put some eyeballs on their message. This is what happened with Rings of Power, too, of course. They said, "What's popular?" And having found that, they took that and wrote their story on top. They never cared about the original stories. And in a way, that's part of what makes the writers and producers hate the fans so much: they resent the fans for wanting the original story and not accepting the idea that the original story never mattered. It's funny in a way. What the writers were like kidnappers who totally expected was a kind of Stockholm syndrome. And it outraged them when some people didn't have it. Good for Henry Cavill. The sad thing is that the writers haven't changed, and they're going to do the same thing with Superman too.

[@coreymckee4844]

*watches the show after reading the books and playing the games* Wtf did i just see... seriously though, cavill saw the issues years ago but still tried to make it work. His efforts are admirable. But im glad he saw reason and left that dumpster fire. He got an offer to return as superman and tbh I prefer him as the blue and red boyscout, over anything. I couldn't be happier to hear this news. Its not just the superman offer. Superman offer coming around was just a nice coincidence. I believe cavill had thoughts about leaving years ago but is truly a genuine great person and really tried despite criticisms. Glad he and we all can move on from this garbage show and insult to the witcher series. The comments attacking fans and claiming they (the showrunners and writters) know better than the fans and the lore already established, are pathetic. Good f*cking riddance.

[@warpedreflection3650]

Capaldi with Dr Who. He's such a good actor with a love for Dr Who. They did him dirty on his run.

[@mrfreeman2911]

Capaldi allowed himself to spout the shit dialogue. Turning the first doctor racist/sexist should have been a no go to Capaldi etc. He didn't seem to mind the writing. Sad.

[@rhyscallinan8891]

Exactly. He was forced into this shit, and now he is so angry and betrayed that when they asked him to go back on, he told them to go fuck themselves. So they went to Tennant who basically made sure he had a way in what the direction would go. Doubt they'll listen, but hey at least he's trying.

[@mustlearnmore4884]

As a big fan of the books and the games, I tapped out halfway through the first episode. Cavill was great, and I would definitely have him back should it be rebooted. Currently rereading the books, and 'The Last Wish' is GOLDEN. The writers and producers had everything already written beautifully, so much could have been taken verbatim from the books, and they STILL ruined it.

[@hubertcumberdale6404]

The guy is a legend. He saw the chandelier on set and stated it looked like a blackstone fortress. He's one of us yet he walks amongst.... them.

[@tonyng9]

What is extremely telling is that Henry Cavill has done nothing to dispel the rumors that he is leaving cause the show doesn't follow the source material. He is distancing himself from Season 3. The only thing he has said about Season 3 is that there will be some cool fight scenes because the choreographer from the Blaviken fight (Season 1, Episode 1) is back. Cavill can easily say that Superman is going to take up all his time and he can't do Witcher any more. But he is not saying it. And I'm sure Netflix is begging Cavill to make a statement to protect the show.

[@SamuraiQuigs]

It's very simple. Networking is a more valuable skill than storytelling in the entertainment biz.

[@Lelldorin84]

Who is your Daddy and how many Steins and Burgs are you friends with?

[@Lbamfoe]

The comment by Little Platoon that the source material is being updated for a modern audience being the Writers themselves is absolutely genius. It is so obvious now that I've heard it.

[@Arizto7828]

Honestly I really hope entertainment companies please stop persuing *THE MESSEGE* do it in commercial for products or whatever but please leave videogames and movies

[@JackEverton101]

God I’m getting PTSD flashbacks from Paramount’s Halo… Henry was probably the only thing keeping it from devolving into pure cringe….And it’s true, there were times when I watched the Witcher and I was like “oh I can almost feel The fun”… And then season two came out and it was just too hard to find the fun… And now he’s gone too!

[@rhyscallinan8891]

The only difference is The Witcher had Henry Cavill, Halo had no one.

[@KurtAngle89]

I watched the first episode of Halo and dropped. And it's a fucking shame, because the Space Marine were on point, and special effects were great. But they pushed so much messaging in only one episode! I can't believe what they've done in a whole season

[@JackEverton101]

@@KurtAngle89 oh so you didn’t see the part where they had master chief have sex with a prisoner of war who just so happen to be a covenant sympathizer who had an energy sword fingernail… All the while Cortana watched from the sidelines!? This is true… This is a real thing that they made happen in the show!

[@dcmastermindfirst9418]

I actually heard he tried to buy shares in the property and Hissrich said no. So he left.

[@TimNonamaker]

I still hold out hope that Cavill will be the next Bond.

[@johnboylan3832]

Haha, he had better coal his face or come out as gay then.

[@Kernwadi]

A wise man once said; “the smaller the breasts, the closer you are to their hearts!” A wiser man once said; “bigger breasts are the expansion of the heart!” And the wisest man once said; “you must cherish the entire woman, as she’s the only doorway to her heart!”

[@Kernwadi]

Yes.

[@maubraymzoma6616]

Men of Culture at work

[@kron7536]

Big tits will fill your hands, big ass will fill your heart - Confucius

[@Jason-kg4rs]

All you need is a mouthful.

[@cosmictreason2242]

Sounds pretty dumb. Big breasts are a sufficient but not necessary cause of vapidity because it tends to result in a woman getting things given to her for free so she never develops the character qualities one develops from experiencing failure and having to work hard

[@Komix777]

As a Pole, I'm appalled by the Netflix's Witcher. While I don't like Henry Cavill as an actor, I can at least acknowledge that he had more respect for the source material than nothing at all.

[@jamesrustles8670]

As a pole you should be pissed that a stolen story is pushed as great polish literature

[@joek600]

@@jamesrustles8670 What's the stolen story? Please dont say Elric....

[@kubapuchalski8633]

@@jamesrustles8670 Most of the stories and books are inspired by something, it is what it is.

[@whitegoose2017]

@@jamesrustles8670 Lord of the Rings by Tolkien is an amalgamation of stolen works. What's your point?

[@Jiren261]

The polish adaptation from way back when was better

[@DeadlyPlatypus]

"Why do THEY get the opportunities?" Because the cultural vandalism IS the POINT.

[@Ilyak1986]

Feels like bullying the geeks was always the point. I remember being bullied in elementary/middle school so much ;(. Apparently the bullies never left.

[@ReasonablySkeptic]

Millions of people LOVED the lore enough for it to get a TV show. But then the writers do *EVERYTHING POSSIBLE to AVOID THE LOVED CONTENT!* Then they're surprised when those that loved the source, see it wrecked.

[@meatpuppet5036]

The Roach thing though, that came from the game, Geralt can be heard saying "you'd make a good Roach". Its kind of hinted he just renames new horses. In that area at least, the show surpassed the game, the last scene with Roach was great.

[@MONK3YTAM3R]

The show had so much potential. I hope when it completely fails that the writers can’t find another job…

[@nhmooytis7058]

Imagine Van Gogh throwing mashed potatoes on his Sunflowers. OK he cut his own ear off, maybe not the best analogy 😮

[@Kernwadi]

The Year is 2050. Go to movies, it's the weekly MCU movie. Disney logo on screen. It's phase 12 of the story. Movie starts, Tobey Maguire is in a wheelchair. A burglar comes into his house, steals his Funko Pops. Tobey says "it's peterin time" (this is a reference to the hit 2022 film morbius). Also says "that sounded better in my head." He puts on his mask, the crowd screams until my ears ring. He swings at the man as he's running away. A portal opens and captain Europe steps into the scene. Tobey accidentally swings into him He says "it's all good I have healthcare". Crowd cheers, captain Europe had his own TV show in 2048 and this is a reference to his prostate exam episode in season 6 where he makes the same joke. Tom Holland and Andrew Garfield come through the portal and point at each other, making the funny Spider-Man meme again. They all start jerking each other off as the camera zooms out, revealing the Death Star and the Star Wars theme briefly plays. Crowd cheers again before the screen cuts to black and Darth Vader's laugh plays. Post credit scene shows Thanos reappear, and he says, "I'm coming for you Redditors." Crowd cheers one last time, before news sources are saying this is one of the best movies of all time. Thank you Disney for saving the film industry.

[@bradcarver8127]

Not enough twerking She Hulks, 0 stars.

[@MajorJack92]

I am fucking dead

[@Kernwadi]

@@bradcarver8127 And not enough of She-Hulk's feet.

[@Kernwadi]

@@MajorJack92 You're welcome.

[@pauperslament3467]

When your reality is based soley on social media interactions, this is what you get as a consequence.

[@heart04winds19]

it reminds me of this quote from Zero Punctuation's fake review of Duke Nukem Forever (roughly a year or two before it actually released) witch I will now paraphrase it means that not only can a studio be staffed entirely by howler monkeys but there are also investors who consider themselves to be quite serious people will pay them to jump about and wee on things for years while talented people who would love to work on these projects are snubbed because they never had dinner with anyone important or whatever.

[@clausbitten]

I sometimes think this "the material is rubbish" position from the writers comes from the fact that they want to be the ones to add the value to a series, make it successful, and not "only" using the proven, world class source without adding their "genius".

[@cedj4504]

Exactly. It has about 5% to do with woke agendas and 95% arrogance of the writers who want to be the "star" of the series.

[@D4rkm00r]

So just re-watched the Roach death scene and it's sublime. That simple look up after she dies from Cavill that expresses so much pain & rage was perfect after his last words to her. Fuck sake Netflix, how can you fuck something up so hard especially when you had a lead that had the charisma, the talent and the commitment to really put the best version out there.

[@Rhuarc11]

Jack Reacher, a show on amazon prime, where the showrunners went thru the process to find their Perfect Jack Reacher, who respected the source material, and basically nailed it on season 1 to the point where many just outright binged a new show right off the hop. How can Prime do so well on something like that, and just completely destroy Rings of Power. Who are the people in charge here and can they just choose a lane?

[@cpuuk]

The formula should be simple- pick something popular, then hire competent staff to write, Direct, act... and follow what is written in the source material. How do they continue to f*** that up!

[@shockers12512]

what wacky insane world are we in where the writers know less than the actors. this is crazy

[@reginaphalange9417]

They know less or they just care less, they just use famous good stories as vessels for their bad ideas / messages

[@NorkelFjols]

I've never watched this show, but I remember seeing a trailer for the first season and thinking "This looks like a show that's embarrased at having a white, male lead." (Because it basically made it look like 85% of important characters in the show except him were "women of different races".) If this is what the writers are like, I guess I may have been right. Granted, I've never read the books either, maybe they're like that, too..

[@cedj4504]

Dont try to put your insecurity and racism here. We have actual real problems and no time to indulge manchildren.

[@macmcleod1188]

Yennifer is a great character. She pays her dues for her power. And they actually had an honest to god, beat the crap out of the young princess training montage, which would pay for her skills. I felt like they were sort of on track the first season then they just lost it season two. Sorry of like you saw. But the show was always lacking something. I think it might be the alien polish monster mythology. That was all world building without an immediate emotional reaction like vampires, werewolves and so on. The Bruja was pretty good despite never having heard of one before. I also wonder if it was sort of a harem show without being a harem. And it did seem like a lot of the bad guys were old white men.

[@georged.5595]

@@macmcleod1188 I think you would both like the books (or at least the games) and understand the dislike of the series better, if you read/played them, and why many people believe that Henry left because he felt disappointed with how they handled the story. Trust me everything you said you liked about it, was ten thousand times better in the books and games, Yen was more mature than she was shown in the series (but it is true that she had to pay a high price for her powers, and she ends up finding the child she wants in Ciri), the training with Ciri is much more well-written in Blood of Elves, as she does have to work hard to be able to do what the mutated witchers can do despite her not undergoing any mutations, and the witchers are realistic with her and tell her she's always going to be slower than Coën for example and she isn't doing anything wrong, that's just how things are and she has to learn to work with what she has. But they're also very understanding and friendly towards her which from what I have heard from people who both read the books and watched the show, it wasn't very well shown in the series. The bruxa story is also from the books (possibly with some changes), and if you like vampires then I can strongly recommend the Witcher books and games (the Blood and Wine expansion for the third game especially). Furthermore there are other monsters that are unique or less-well known which are present in the books and I'd say here especially the games, like for example the Leshen or the Hym (but if you are interested in playing the games or consider doing so after reading my comments, please spare yourself the spoilers and _do not look up either of these monsters_, they both appear in Witcher 3 Wild Hunt but they're best discovered by playing, not reading about them on the web.) So yeah I would say that it sounds to me as if you would quite possibly like the books if you were to read them/listen to them (many people liked Peter Kenny's English audiobook) and the games if you were to play them, as they have everything you said you liked about the show but handled each element with more care.

[@robertfeldmann542]

Good to hear from CMI Former Bowlestrek after so long

[@hollygolden9673]

I watched it to see HC as the Witcher. He is fantastic.

[@stillcantbesilencedevennow]

He aight. But he's also on the sidelines of his own show. F*CK Netprix

[@lupusnoctis8656]

Can you imagine if The House of Dragon team did The Witcher.

[@MrHydenSeek]

Without Cavill the Witcher character will be nothing more than a plot taxi for the main characters even more.

[@Jelperman]

I use the term "Whitta" to describe the act of trying to ride a real artist's coattails while simultaneously pissing down their leg.

[@KoongYe]

Its almost like the qualifications for being a writer of a show is how much they don't respect the source material.

[@blowfish1702]

My wife isn't in to fantasy or videogames, yet she played and completed the Witcher 3, absolutely loved it, the quality of the story really drew her in...so when the Witcher was on TV and starring Cavill she was buzzing - yet even she could see season 2 for a steaming pile of crap, Netflix have really dropped the ball if they can't even keep the interest of casual fans like her.

[@josephsteward3166]

I had the same thought as to why they chose those show runners was the same, easier to control, easy to throw under the bus

[@МарияПетрова-ъ6н]

Week 3rd waiting for Little Platoon's video. Cannot not wait

[@TheCentralScrutinizerAgain]

this was obvious form the beginning, but brand fans stayed for the brand and most stayed for cavill

[@mikesnapper9001]

And every time... the showrunners wonder why the shows failed to make any money.. they do this over and over again, and it fails each time and still they think "next time it will work for sure". Have i ever told you the definition of insanity?

[@TriariusMetzer]

Geralt has lived for 200 years and every horse he has ever owned is named roach. He isn't that broken up over the loss of a horse not like he had a super deep connection. He does value life and would still be sadden his horse died though. Geralt does have a respect for life from supernatural to moral and never faults monsters doing what they do he is just paid to stop them. I am glad it was done this way I do think Geralt needs humanizing moments as his story alone does make him out to be a lone wolf death dealer that is cold and unwavering. This is off what I remember from the games set up of the world and character. To be fair though I never watched the show as it seemed like it was going to be terrible.

[@TheKaptiv720]

So needed this! Thanks man!

[@Goldschlager]

It's so infuriating. They are sitting on a gold mine with the perfect actor as Geralt. There was so much potential for The Witcher to become an even bigger success but they just couldn't help themselves and had to get all woke with the property.

[@belroyale]

On point conversation. Nailed it. Suggestion: keep these talks down to groups no larger than four.

[@hariman7727]

Disney is speedrunning destroying a legacy that took 70 to 80 years to build.

[@salmasultana6258]

Disney doesnt own netflix.

[@hariman7727]

@@salmasultana6258 >.> Then Netflix is just stupid, and is also speedrunning self-destruction.

[@PowerLord83]

I really hate how Netflix Witcher runed out, but I find it a bit ironic how I dislike, when Netflix Witcher was how I discovered the franchaise in the first place.

[@thomasarnoldcoe6527]

I rewatched the Season 2 finale yesterday. It was really badly done. It had good elements , but Geralt talking to Ciri to bring her back really did not work.

[@liberTvalance]

The thing about the books to me was how 'sweet' of a story it was. It wasn't over the top and didn't have the grrm or abercrombie type of shock scenes but it just made you like the people and cheer for them. I didn't feel like I was cheering for anyone in the show... I was just watching a show with characters in it. Hard to explain. It's like how in Saving Private Ryan you actually cared about the soldiers on the mission, and it wasn't like they were just there to be a part of a Tom Hanks and Jason Bourne movie.

[@Waqulah]

I only watched the witcher because I learned how much he cared. I didnt even like him until I seen him talk about the role.

[@SumDumGy]

So the only real reason to watch The Witcher is now gone, but that reason isn’t yet enough to bring me back to DC films. As long as The Flash is still on the table, I have no actual faith DC will be course correcting.

[@harbl99]

LP: "Once you start watching the Appendices you just have to carry on." See! It's not just me. I can stop any time I like. Joking aside, LP makes a good point here. The original LOTR films had something like _3-5 years of prep time_ before a camera even started rolling on that marathon 18 month shoot. PJ had Wingnut Films, Weta, everyone involved drilled like a ballet corps in what they knew _had to be_ a legendary success. LOTR was the Apollo program of film making, and I fear we will never see its like again.

[@vladline1882]

Everything with a movie or tv series with a phrase "New/modern audience", "reimagining", "new take" are all 💩

[@homergimpson2254]

Am I crazy for thinking a requirement for the job should be to have played the Witcher or read the books, like if you go for a gardening job you need to have turned on a mower before or pruned a tree.

[@andrewbyrne2173]

That's kinda what the showrunner is doing on the X-Men cartoon reboot.

[@plmng7294]

It's rare to have an actor that fits a role so spectacularly. I just finished Wild Hunt few months before the show started, and remember seeing Henry Cavill in the trailer and thinking is this a clip from the actual game or something?.. I can't really imagine the series without him, so I think I'll be passing on future seasons. Very sad, though.

[@Sergeant_Fury]

Hopefully, when they choose him to be the next James Bond, they'll give him a decent story to work with. Otherwise, they might as well get Ezra Miller.

[@SeanFlynnNB]

I heard that Wray Nerely was up for the lead in The Witcher, but they went with one of the Hemsworths.

[@gekkehenkie0001]

I just learned (yeah. listening to this actual conversation) that Cavill is dropping the gavel on the Witcher Part of me is bummed AF, but for once someone who clearly is neck deep in the story stands tall and gives the writers the middlefinger

[@meatpuppet5036]

The Rings of Poo showrunners apparently shopped a lot of fantasy projects around H-wood, and it was a phone call from everyone's favourite disappointment - JJ Abrams, that convinced Amazon to take them on. Seriously, how can they not see that Bad Reboot has been systematic cancer by now?

[@dbsommers1]

Cavill was the only reason to stick around for the one season I did. Wisely stopped there.

[@robertbeisert3315]

14:20 money doesn't mean to them what it means to us. We think "medium of EXCHANGE" - the trade being key - while they think "MEDIUM of exchange" - the numbers themselves are key. They work for makers of the medium.

[@sukamadik5983]

If we did the right thing as a society an just clone Henry Cavill a few times he could play all the roles but no, apparently we can't play God even when we definitely should.

[@jamoecw]

i didn't watch for an actor, but when i saw something that i was impressed by i would later find out it was because Cavill stepped in and said that was the thing they should have done. in essence he is the head writer they need, but not the one they got.

[@holymasterchief]

To use a metaphor from the Jurassic Park novel; John Hammond put so much money into the spectacle of the park. Merchandise, licensing, all the attractions that draw in audiences... and the absolute *bare fucking minimum* everywhere else. And because of that, shit got real REAL QUICK.

[@Thump505]

I'm big sad he's left it. He simply crushed it as Geralt.

[@kevindavis5966]

Similar experience for me with The Resident, a serial medical show here in the US. I'm a general surgeon who did technical advising for the OR/procedural scenes and the show writers obviously hated American medicine and shit on it at every opportunity. They used the show to outright lie about how the system works and grossly misrepresent it on a regular basis in an attempt to demonize it and push socialized medicine. I disassociated myself from the show after season one.