Crawler Canyon Presents: Dual Stage Hairbuns?

[@michaellenheiser3157]

Exciting to hear the elation in your voice when you stumble upon an potential greatness.

[@CrawlerCanyon]

It's really the best, when you expect nothing and get completely surprised. I usually have some level of expectation and get luke-warmed at best. Took those tires out expecting absolutely nothing and I'm still amazed by how well they did. They didn't just do well for what they are, they did well... period. Those moments don't come along often enough.

[@J1m03]

I love this channel and I’m glad I found ya lol. You’re one of the only crawler KZbinrs that give commentary while trying out new things. And I see you do more crawling video then others just talking about a product or what not! Keep it up

[@mark-mj5dl]

I do too but i am not as entertaining as he is. kzbin.info/www/bejne/gJbIfqWfibFpm5I

[@techwrightauto]

I tried this using a set of injora dual stage foams with hair buns after watching this video. They are similar to the ones you used but the blue ring inside is a little thinner. I really like the feel of them as it allows a little more compression of the sidewall. With the hair buns I don't have the problem of the outer foam shifting sideways when turning. They seem to be more self centering. Love your videos and your thinking outside the box. Keep up the good work.

[@machinedred]

"go to the bus station and get out 😂😂😂😂😂

[@radioactivescalerc]

you have one of the best channels out there, awesome playground for the Rigs, just enjoy watching eveything you post, and l learn a few thing also. Thank you

[@JPWirt]

Great Combo! Can't wait for more tests with this setup. I just put 4.19 Landmines with the blue closed cell ring out of 4.75" PL dual stages inside on my 8.5 lb 10.3 Bronco and it's fantastic! On the stock wheels they fill out the width and leave a couple of mm air gap to give just the right amount of squish.

[@v65sabreking]

I put small hair buns on the red injora dual stage rubber inner and they work great .

[@Dreiviertel]

Did this also because the red inner ring adds a nice weight to the wheels. But my buns were constantly moving on top of the ring, which I didn't like. Maybe i try to sand the top of the ring, to give the buns more grip, because I did like the performance of that combo.

[@craigpimlott204]

Used that combo myself on 108mm super swampers on a 6x6 rig they work brilliantly ..

[@Andy_Yates]

I mounted up a set of the timtin dual stages with some Holds and had to shave about a mm off each side of the inner so they wouldn't need so much squish to mount the beadlock. I used a fresh xacto blade but was wishing I had a wide 6" belt sander to give each a quick zoop on the belt. I think it would be fast enough to not generate too much heat / melt them. What surprising performance from the inners + hair buns! This would have been a video I'd be curious to see same day performance from the pinseekers for reference. I wonder a little bit if the recently dried rock+ previous rain also made a difference. I also think you drive as much off camera as you do on camera so maybe you already drove the pinseekers that day? Either way Baseline looked incredible with these foams 👍👍

[@PeterCPRail8748]

You got me sold on your channel, and this set up. I recently bought medium/ large hairbuns at a local doller store. They were just a tad bit too small on injora method racing type beadlocks. I was going to buy xl hairbuns on Amazon. I ended up ordering injora red inner duel stage foams as they were half the price of getting xls buns here in Canada. I still haven't installed them. Now I will use the hairbuns I got with the inner red rings, and it should fill out the tires nicely. Thanks for the idea. I also subbed.

[@ka4172]

Canyon Trails are the most underrated tires. I run hair buns till a year in rocky rivers the traction surprise me.Maybe you test the dual foams again in a realy sticky tire for next test.

[@piercetheheavens]

I did this as well but because i have a strip of wheel weights on the inner ring the dual stage kept sliding left to right. I will eventually need to cut out a groove so the closed cell stays in place over the wheel weight strip. Treal wheels are very good at holding the bead. I was also running double dollar store hairbuns in each canyon trail tire myself for a wider and not as tall stance. Also ran double hair buns with the proline krawlers.

[@Molekulasti]

You can thin out hairbuns if need be by peeling off the outer layers. There's a stitch on the inside.

[@clarkb1900]

"That was totally wicked!!!" -Random kid on a tricycle, The Incredibles ;} I've considered trying this before, but I run Gmade 1904's, which have such heavy ribbing that I didn't think they'd benefit. However... the sidewalls support well, but the bead-edges still fold a bit, especially on the fronts. After seeing your vid here, I might try putting something around the beadlock rings to brace the sidewall bases- I have some little 1.9 car tires that might work.. :] Thank you, friend! You give me lots of inspiration, and your ideas are top-notch. Looking forward to whatever comes next. :D

[@Loose_Lucy]

I bought some injora beadlocks and I couldn’t get the Canyon trails with this set up mounted.. tried for hours .. ended up returning the injoras

[@CrawlerCanyon]

Which Injoras? I feel like I've probably mounted Canyon Trails to every cheap beadlock there is at least once.

[@thindigital]

"How cheap are you?" ... Oh I'm cheap mate, I don't think the vanquish Facebook group loved my recycled gen7 body on a hallowed vs410 😆

[@clarkb1900]

I still run the hacked-up remains of my old ECX Barrage body because it's the lightest one I have! ;D

[@thindigital]

@@clarkb1900 funny you should mention that I saw a g speed or tgh with just the top of the ftx ravine body and it looked awesome. I really don't care about how much something is as long as it does the job. Ok I draw the line at too many zip ties and I've stopped piling wheel weights on everything...

[@twilliamrc4wd]

it's not the cheapness if you have multiple cars that adds up on money on Parts & More

[@CrawlerCanyon]

If the body looks good I don't care who makes it or what it was originally for. Unless it's ProLine.

[@offroad1911]

I did the large size brown buns inside RC4WD Goodyear MT/R on a set of Amazon beadlocks and about lost my mind till I finally got the beads seated properly. For straight crawling they work great but side hill isn’t so good. I’m going to give your idea a try.

[@CrawlerCanyon]

Yeah, getting the big buns inside the tire is... rough. I need to try to cram them into the VXT2s to see if they get any better.

[@Love2Wander]

After seeing this I'm stopping by the dollar store and picking up some hairbuns. Stay safe

[@fromfin90]

maybe i will have to try this one, got proline dual stages in my Sport, got Trenchers as rubber right now, maybe i will try a hairbun

[@brianmassey7563]

I actually have 2 of those small buns lying around and a set of the Amazon dual stage...seems I have something to try.

[@abrahammagana2286]

LOL... You got me wanting to run out and buy some hairbuns!

[@thindigital]

Just got to the driving bit where you went full infomercial 😂 If this is a paid promotion for small hair buns you're supposed to say so in the video!!

[@CrawlerCanyon]

Hey, I wish somebody was giving me free hair buns! Those things are $1.25 each now at the Dollar Tree!

[@opiesveiw266]

Hair bun great idea. I trim 3mm off the sides of my closed cell liking a narrow tire

[@mark-mj5dl]

I love this! I have yet to try the hair buns but WOW! As always I love your video or else I would not have subscribed. Keep up the awesome job.

[@jessjoshwyatt3571]

Are you a sports announcer lol. You would sound like a great announcer. Good video. Definitely gonna try this. Thank you.

[@michaelmess7575]

Another banger vid! Just got a Phoenix straight axle that I'm trying to decide 1200, 1800, or pro. Is the 2300kv Pro really worth the price Difference? Thanks for the great vids! Been learning alot!

[@CrawlerCanyon]

Much as I love the Pro (I have three) I genuinely prefer the SE 1800 in the straight axle Phoenix. I don't notice the "bluntness" of the Fusion SE on a VFD Twin. Or I've gotten used to it. I would say buy an SE, and put the other 70 bucks toward a set of knuckle weights (the KYX are excellent) and a 1TenthRC BOCO link riser. Way more bang for the buck than just upgrading to the Fusion Pro.

[@Br0rB]

This is intriguing. I just bought some Proline Interco TSL SX XL Super Swampers, and want to do a decent foam setup for them. I already have a set of Injoras knock offs of the same tire, with some Injora dual stage foams in them, and they work quite well, but the outer part of the foam feels a bit too stiff. This dual stage hairbun thing looks like it would work really well. What size hairbuns would I need, you think? The tires are 121mm tall. Would I need a 12-13cm hairbun, or a much smaller one? The ones you're running look a lot smaller than what I've been looking at. Figured I'd buy some Injora dual stage foams and use the inner foam from those.

[@FaithSaraG]

No spoilers, but I'm surprised too.

[@artsyrc]

Will def be giving this a try!!

[@TheHammer]

Is this what you are calling double buns, or is double buns simply two buns stacked? Fwiw, I've been running what I'm calling "3 stage" foams in my ruptures with great success....injora dual stage inners, JConcepts 1/8 foams, then hair buns.

[@CrawlerCanyon]

Yes, this is the “double bun,” closed-cell inner with medium (3”) hair bun outer.

[@TheHammer]

@@CrawlerCanyon ok thanks! It does work great!

[@drowildcat2960]

Great video Thanks Canyon I tell everybody about your show & to subscribe it's 1 the best created content on here A+ sir I watch everyday and rewatch alot of videos because you do a great job hope u get way more then 10k By the way come on gentleman hit that like button on the way out !

[@bmanfactor705]

So i followed your double bun recipe down to a T. I got the Amazon medium hair buns and Amazon dual stage foams. I mounted them up to an Amazon beadlock and Proline Trenchers 1.9 - 4.75. They came out very stiff and does not have an "air-ed down" look at all. Any tips?

[@CrawlerCanyon]

That's pretty much how they look. If you squeeze on and think, "Oh, this is never gonna work," then you've done it right. One of the first guys I convinced to try it put them in his Tusks and was like... this can't be right. I've done something wrong. Go drive them. You won't believe it.

[@ryonbultema5696]

I’m trying this. 🤘

[@johngleason9667]

Try that set up in the pinseakers

[@CrawlerCanyon]

I just picked up another set of Dollar Tree hairbuns, and will be fashioning a mandrel so I can true some of the blue inners down to fit the Pinseekers. They're SO narrow.

[@dkmgm2011]

Waiting with baited breath.

[@johngleason9667]

Maybe that’s what the pit bull rock beasts need

[@rosscauseyiii4540]

Injora steelies WIDE vs NARROW for this...? On Element axles.

[@CrawlerCanyon]

I would choose based on the body. If you don't have fender coverage, might as well go with the wides and enjoy the bit of extra width (and stability.) The narrows have about the same offset as any typical removable SLW 1.9 wheel, so if you're already running something like that, the narrows will be the same. The wides will add about 10mm per side.

[@toeshifter]

I feel I spend a good portion of my life defending Traxxas, in all aspects of RC, and the Canyon Trails are no exception. Great tire! In my opinion.

[@CrawlerCanyon]

Coming from the "olden times," I can vividly remember the VERY Ford v. Chevy rivalry that exists between Associated and Losi guys-- like, one would NEVER drive the other. It was crazy then, crazy now. But Traxxas hate is it's very own thing-- there are people who will talk trash on Traxxas having never in their lives even driven one, much less owned one. I can say with some conviction that the hobby wouldn't be where it is today (that is: reasonably successful) without Traxxas.

[@toeshifter]

@@CrawlerCanyon facts!

[@IowaBudgetRCBashers]

This is great.. subscribed

[@dkmgm2011]

That was amazing. Is this the set treated with monster grip?

[@CrawlerCanyon]

Amazingly, it isn't. Those are on the silver alloy Method clones.

[@dkmgm2011]

@@CrawlerCanyon what have you done.

[@HRDNTS]

Great vid. Was it the 3" hair buns you used?

[@CrawlerCanyon]

Yes they are. About half the price if you source them from a Dollar Tree rather than through Amazon. Provided your dollar store carries them, that is. It's maybe 50/50 around here.

[@HRDNTS]

@@CrawlerCanyon cheers for the quick reply. I'm down in New Zealand so it's either Amazon, Aliexpress etc or I try hunt round in similar stores to your dollar tree. Thanks again mate!

[@joang878]

Hahahahah ive been using this for almost a 2yrs this setup dual stage with hairbun.. aka halo web wrap style👊👊

[@camrendoucette5592]

Gotta get a hair bunz sticker on baseline

[@michaellenheiser3157]

Ha! My first thoughts as well…

[@pallepetersen7641]

You just show my secret. I use the setup for my trx4 Defender, and it beats all other setup for the Defender. No inner ring for a light crawler.

[@CrawlerCanyon]

Ran a Defender on straight hair buns for a looooong time, until I switched to a 4.35" tire and the hairbuns didn't fit anymore. I still honestly can't believe the ring + hairbun works as well as it does.

[@clarkb1900]

@@CrawlerCanyon If you snip the stitching inside the donut's hole, you can unroll it, cut off a length, and roll it back up again. Just make sure to cut the same length off each donut, and you can reduce it to any size you want. :} -I guess you might already know this, but I'll put it out there in case someone else finds it useful, at least.

[@pallepetersen7641]

@@CrawlerCanyon Yes. It’s amazing. 🤩The rubber inner ring from injora foam is even better.💪

[@jjvizms]

I put a set of those Amazon Dual stage foams on my Scalers and jconcepts Ruptures and they work great. I have thr Prolines on my landmines and they also work great. Guess I'm going to have to try this with my Deepwoods. I also did the injora PTE in my VXT tires. Thanks for the content👍👍

[@vicc6744]

you're right this looks doable-

[@EricsRC]

What's your drill being used?

[@CrawlerCanyon]

It's the Bosch CLPK22-120. I used to have the brushless version, but that one is way too powerful. The cheaper brushed model is much better suited-- so long as I remember to use the clutch.

[@NTX_RC]

Are those stock canyon trails or cut canyon trails?

[@CrawlerCanyon]

All of my Canyon Trails are cut. They're just not as good with the OE amount of lugs. In hindsight, I probably should have left an untouched set just for comparison purposes.

[@NTX_RC]

@@CrawlerCanyon I figured as much. Cut Canyon Trails do very good where I live too.

[@howien4366]

I'm bald, I need some hair buns...

[@jpokorny2268]

I'm too too old to be swearing at hair buns but for sure narrow rims are no to be buned with.

[@CrawlerCanyon]

Oh, 100% agree. It's like trying to cram two pillows into one case.

[@twilliamrc4wd]

FROM XS TO 4X SIZE FROM 6CM TO 15CM

[@CrawlerCanyon]

The size for the dual stage are the "medium," generally sold as 3". The mediums from Dollar Tree are larger than the mediums I've gotten on Amazon. They work pretty much exactly the same-- I wouldn't be able to tell you which set is in which tire.