There is absolutely nothing wrong with being "Same colors as GW but better, cheaper, and in dropper bottles," because that's all some of us want.
@ARandomPerson662 жыл бұрын
It is not cheaper but more expensive than GW, check the prices.
@klauskeller63802 жыл бұрын
@@ARandomPerson66 citadel colors would be 7,63 $ for 15ml and two thin coats colors are 4$ for 15 ml. Looks cheaper to me doesnt it?
@labtec5142 жыл бұрын
@@klauskeller6380 £2.30 for Abbadon Black, £3.54 for Duncan's paints and that's from the GW webstore and Wayland Games so you might have found a decent deal
@sethsteuer69262 жыл бұрын
@@klauskeller6380 where can I buy these or is it to late (I tried to find them online but couldn't pleasee help)
@joshwenn9892 жыл бұрын
@@klauskeller6380 GW's webstore has their paints listed at 12ml for £2.75, and on Wayland Games Two Thin Coats are £3.54 (discounted from £3.95) for the exact same amount. That really doesn't seem all that much cheaper to me, even taking into account the (small) difference in the amount of paint you get.
@ScytheNoire2 жыл бұрын
Duncan Rhodes is the Tony Hawk of miniature painting. He even looks like Tony Hawk.
@Ninjon2 жыл бұрын
Lol now I can’t unsee it
@edwardthomas1164 Жыл бұрын
Oh wow, won't be able to unsee that now. Now the tony hawk soundtrack will play in my head when I see him.
@Amphibian422 жыл бұрын
Hey dude, just wanna say, established titles is a chinese company using the "souvenir land" scam and you legally own no land, and legally do not classify as a lord, neither do they provide proof of any reforestation, as they don't prove donations, and their plots are on protected forests already. Remember to always exercise due diligence when accepting sponsors.
@PootisMr2 жыл бұрын
this, there's a bunch of resources to back this up, be careful with sponsors mate
@Amphibian422 жыл бұрын
No response from him in vids or community, there's no way he doesn't know though, not surprised, average youtuber tbh
@andrew3606 Жыл бұрын
The good news is absolutely nobody gives a fuck about youtube sponsors
@cr9423 Жыл бұрын
Caveat emptor
@collegeoffoliage67762 жыл бұрын
Just FYI, Scottish laws prohibit the purchase and ownership of "souvenir plots" like established titles offer, not only that, owning such a plot of land does nothing to qualify you for lordship. So essentially everything established titles claims is a lie, and they're also owned by a Chinese company specialising in internet scheme companies. You're basically buying an NFT, minus the non-fungible part, and it gives you no new legal rights what so ever. :P
@BullBuchanan22 күн бұрын
What about those that have been offered by Laphroaig for years?
@Lukas-co8gj2 жыл бұрын
Yes, yes, yes please paint the whole box set! Just ordered mine and can't wait. Would love to see your take on the rest. The demon prince looks phenomenal! Especially the skin tone wich I'll definitely try to replicate
@brenfu49822 жыл бұрын
Dito!
@dylandavies92972 жыл бұрын
How do you order? I’m trying to buy the set too but can’t find an actual buy link?
@brenfu49822 жыл бұрын
@@dylandavies9297 might still be able to purchase on GW site or LGS. Just check all over the place
@Lukas-co8gj2 жыл бұрын
@@dylandavies9297 one of my go to online Hobby stores had it up for pre-order, I don't know if they have stock left and don't know if a German shop would be helpful for you anyway, sorry
@RaketHond2 жыл бұрын
That BEEEP over the curseword, with the word still clearly audible killed me. I love it.
@catalin27662 жыл бұрын
Considering how often I have "by accident" ingested pain while miniature painting or painting in general I'm glad it tastes, and I quote, "pretty good". Truly what I needed for years.
@nessa-parmentier2 жыл бұрын
Damn, i wonder what pure pain tastes like.
@Abrax3sАй бұрын
hey, taste is important
@NanashiMura2 жыл бұрын
Fine, i wont sleep at 1am. Ill watch a new Ninjon video.
@flubjig9032 жыл бұрын
go bed
@NanashiMura2 жыл бұрын
@@flubjig903 now that i know the paints taste good, i can sleep easy.
@footrot172 жыл бұрын
I find myself up at 330am watching the new Jackie Chan adventures cartoon 😅
@redbeardie2 жыл бұрын
Haha! Right with you brother… 😅
@JakeDogg-RIP2 жыл бұрын
U australia too? 🍻👊🐶🥰
@ianfalzonmoon2 жыл бұрын
I'm no expert, but your painting has improved dramatically Jon! 💪
@sunscorchedmax49302 жыл бұрын
Hey Ninjon, love your content and that was a fantastic review, really appreciate a practical application rather than just colour swatches. Just wanted to let you know that established titles are a really sketchy scam company and you should be really careful taking sponsorships from them, their advertised products are totally false. Stay safe
@wyoguy97202 жыл бұрын
Great video. I always enjoy your candor, humor, and straightforward no bs approach to the hobby!
@SlickRieck2 жыл бұрын
Just here to reaffirm your life choices, you're killing it, every time I watch one of your videos they flow seamlessly and I get the information I want without having to scroll through the video, I actually want to watch start to finish, keep being awesome
@Andyyybeeeee2 жыл бұрын
its so mad how much of the heavy lifting an air brush can do, it always impresses me. just think of having to do that initial red and browns with brush. awesome model Ninjon
@michaelhelps42252 жыл бұрын
been using duncans paints for a few months now and they are increble, so smooth and great coverage
@learf112 жыл бұрын
I kinda want a channel just of Jon and friends doing mini hobby related comedic sketches... Opening sketches are a hoot.
@toportime2 жыл бұрын
Saying this entire video was more or less an Ad for Duncan's Paint, you made it easy to watch. Thank you.
@ianlacey65882 жыл бұрын
I have tried the paints. They are quite nice. What I really liked are the accessories, especially the colour wheel tied to triads within the paint set. If you are in to Colour Theory, or want to look beyond the individual triads this helps a lot.
@steveisaak4320 Жыл бұрын
I need to learn about color theory
@hanskneesun1232 жыл бұрын
I used to paint mini's waaay back in the early 90's, back then they were only just switching over from metal to plastic, we'd amalgamate 3 Space Hulk game sets into one and play until the early hours, I still have a few kicking around but watching your vids makes me want to pick up a brush again, I love your art style, explanations and the amount of detail you put into each project.
@V1KTOR332 жыл бұрын
Do it! Get some paint and a brush.. it will feel good.
@themaplesergeant2 жыл бұрын
I remember back in the day when you'd get like 40 comments and used to read them all. Now look at you over 400. Bravo man. Bravo.
@justarandomname4202 жыл бұрын
Transferring paints from pots to dropper bottles is a pain. That savings proposition in itself is quite valuable!
@Chase_Adams2 жыл бұрын
I honestly don’t know what it is or why it is but Ninjon has quickly become my favorite KZbinr in the hobby. KZbin algo keeps putting his videos high up in my feed and I just keep clicking. Keep it up dude!
@SomeBlackDude262 жыл бұрын
The intro for this video is hilarious. Honestly any army painting video is cool. It really helps to me learn when I see how great painters get models ready for tabletop.
@thetabletopsupershow36702 жыл бұрын
I have liked the colors I have tried out so far. The consistency is solid between hues and lies somewhere between MSP and Citadel. The Triads are not complimentary as you yourself stated especially when compared to Reaper's triad system which is. Leadbelcher is a tiny bit darker when compared to TTC's silver metallic shade color as I discovered in my own unboxing/comparison video of this KS. My plan to really put these through the paces is going to be using the entire set to tackle a few dozen Battletech minis to a high tabletop standard. Because of the many sharp edges on these minis I will better be able to gauge how they handle. Thanks for the always interesting content dude!
@dangerwizard422 жыл бұрын
Paint the rest of the box! These models are awesome and I'd love to see your take on the Chosen. Great work on the Prince!
@sighberman2 жыл бұрын
Just wanted to say thanks for the great content @ninjon! I just started painting …like last week and I’m terrible but already getting better and your advice about getting out of the “prep” stage and to just start painting was exactly what I needed to hear!
@jamesgoodsell16782 жыл бұрын
Really enjoyed the video Jon. On the triad system I get where you’re coming from but I think it could have real value for beginners or those that find choosing colours to be a stressful process and need a bit of guidance
@AndyAlert2 жыл бұрын
Do not be duped by those bogus "Scottish Title" certificates. You are not known as a lord or lady, there is no ancient Scottish custom, and you certainly do NOT own any land! See Section 22 of the Land Registration (Scotland) Act 2012 which specifically precludes the registration of souvenir plots, and in Scotland if the plot isn't registered in your name you do not own it. All you are paying for is a made up title that no one will recognise and a fancy bit of paper that has no legal meaning.
@SquareViking2 жыл бұрын
I love how Auspex Tactics said the face of the Demon Prince looked super derpy, and here we have J-brush making a menacing face. It's all about the paintjob!
@matan80742 жыл бұрын
Have to agree, GW has a number of models which would look a lot better with a different paint job. On the other hand they have some models where the paint job is so good you can't judge how good the model itself is.
@jakea39502 жыл бұрын
Which one? They have like 4 or 5 heads. I'm sure people will find some derby and others tasteful to them.
@SquareViking2 жыл бұрын
@@jakea3950 If memory serves then the one Ninjon ended up doing is the one that people find derpy, according to AT.
@SquareViking2 жыл бұрын
@@matan8074 So true. I remember when Lelith's new model came out and how people thought she looked ugly and stupid. That was until someone other than the box-artist did a paintjob on the model. I'm an absolute amature, but I know that a little change in colour and highlights can mean a world of difference.
@accountnamewithheld2 жыл бұрын
Auspex doesn't exactly have the highest quality opinions on youtube.
@austinthornhill70382 жыл бұрын
Jon, I really love your skits but this opening skit has to be my favorite. You're a funny guy my man.
@chapshobai2 жыл бұрын
I just feel so betrayed - at 3:38 we're told there'll be no further airbrush. Nek minnit, at 14:36, we're straight back to the airbrush!
@mindyfranke52792 жыл бұрын
Love the demon paint job and the review of the Two Thin Coats range. It was nice to see them in actual application.
@chriscarmona77252 жыл бұрын
Bruh, I can't say how much I love your brand. Of the dozens of (quality, lovable) hobby content creatores, yours are the ones I find myself laughing the most on. Excellent humor. Keep on keeping on, my dude.
@MarketResearchReading1142 жыл бұрын
You are awesome this was a paint range I was curious about, but just as you said, it didn't say that it did anything extra well. Now I see where their market is. Thank you so much. I love seeing paint range testing.
@Pers0n972 жыл бұрын
Duncan is a real one. He wont lie or over hype his product. He just deliver.
@IPrint3dMinis2 жыл бұрын
It's nice to see a more affordable paint line that is using colors matched to Games Workshop, this will give WH mini painters more options. Plus it does seem like a nice line of paints. Personally going to stick with my favorites, but this looks good for folks just starting out too as they are nice dropper bottles, and the colors seem spot on.
@rookievideosco2 жыл бұрын
I am a big fan of your army painting videos. The way you break down a huge challenge into manageable steps and get it done so fast is always great to see!
@gotmilk21232 жыл бұрын
I'd love to see lumineth realm lords. Especially techniques for speed painting them.
@hyderalhassani49072 жыл бұрын
I also just got my Slaves to Darkness Box and I have been using the new Duncan paints for a couple of months now. Compared to my old Army Painter paints these have quite simply made me a better painter, love them!
@odeegrotsniffer41662 жыл бұрын
I bet Duncan's are solid, but almost any paint is better than AP's colored pond water they call paint.
@SvartElric92 жыл бұрын
@@odeegrotsniffer4166 lol, sure
@jc7997aj2 жыл бұрын
@@odeegrotsniffer4166 its sad that almost all of us started with AP paints. Im still working through mine. I thought hey what a great deal. Lets get the mega set lol. Hate to just trash them but once you get ahold of another brand its hard not to.
@SNDKNG2 жыл бұрын
@@jc7997aj AP metallics are great, plenty of the game color line is good too. just look at the paint bottle, what you see is what you get
@614Amsterdam2 жыл бұрын
@@SNDKNG I find AP metallics to be hit or miss. I have a dnd bronze that’s great, but their bright gold gives me fits
@jonsmith14052 жыл бұрын
Man I was wondering when your next video was coming out. So far you are my favorite painter on KZbin. Watching your videos has been helping me improve
@seanrydell1122 жыл бұрын
I had the pleasure to test some of Duncan's paints at youmacon this year and by God they were amazing
@BarryPilkinton2 жыл бұрын
Yes , would love to see you paint the rest of the box 😊
@ZombieApocalypse092 жыл бұрын
I got this paint set as well and I have to agree with the review overall. They are quite good and the dropper bottles with pre-loaded mixing balls are excellent. They aren't going to unseat Golden SOFLAT or ProAcryl for me as my preferred paint but they are going to take the place of Citadel and Reaper as those pots/bottles run out.
@quietside37342 жыл бұрын
The energetic music in the intro was very exciting and I listened to it and it got me excited so I'm excited now.
@jhoodfysh2 жыл бұрын
A good and well balanced review Jon. Thank you. I too will look for these as they become available online.
@asdas2215 Жыл бұрын
Yes! Please do a Slaves to Darkness army. I really love the new Chosen models and absolutely adore all the different paint schemes people do on them and I'd love to see yours
@reluxor2 жыл бұрын
It resulted so nice. Especially the red gore base followed with light bluish gray. Will definitely try it
@petersavickas77432 жыл бұрын
Wow, I've been watching your videos for a long time. I think this paint job turnmed out so great. It's one of my favorites that you've done.
@kaci88222 жыл бұрын
Make an Emperor's Children army! Could even lean hard into the rock and roll side and 3d print little Amps and Speakers or something fun
@olly1234512 жыл бұрын
Thank you for acknowledging the secret desire of all painters, a set that actually tastes good!
@badbirb5698 Жыл бұрын
Really cool skin tone on the daemon prince. Love the warm colors with the grey skin!
@Seeraphyn2 жыл бұрын
15:10 at the exact moment you said "Oh God" I accidentally let go of the paint pot I was shaking. Luckily as you pointed out, nothing broke, we're good. I never realized that your videos were a live commentary of my life, well done
@silence_dais2 жыл бұрын
Got mine and I absolutely love it. Almost want to savor them by not using them until I get quality models to paint
@timothyferguson4248 Жыл бұрын
I'd love to see another Ninjon army project. It's been a hot minute since Ninjon cranked out a full army in times that make the lot of us envious.
@WolfpriestCjarl2 жыл бұрын
Love the way you beguile us in your videos its almost like take that comfortable squat letting go a load… just feels right, like your vids. New fan here and cant wait for more.
@MercutioUK20062 жыл бұрын
I'm so chaotic I don't know what I'm going to have for lunch today! Relateable. The choice of paints, inks, washes, glazes, contrasts and weathering products is, for someone returning to the hobby, overwhelming.
@mightymax13372 жыл бұрын
13:49 Drybrush technique works amazing on wings that have enough texture
@WhatsUpGazpacho2 жыл бұрын
Wow! Look at how Ninjohn paints! Wish I could paint like that. Been painting for 20 years now and nowhere even close to something like that
@Richiemouse2 жыл бұрын
A good honest review. I have the whole set here but haven't got around to using them yet, but you can never have enough paints. Oh and I'm sitting here in my Slay the Gray T-shirt, even though you can't spell grey 🤣
@peters.94632 жыл бұрын
Thank you Lord² Jon! For both, the honest review of this paint range and for how to become a Lord.
@Keenan66582 жыл бұрын
I'm subscribing because i'm enjoying the brief sections where the music feels like i'm watching Beverly Hills cop. Damn you nostalgia triggers. Content is good too.
@warius332 жыл бұрын
Great video as always and the sweet 80's style montage music was a nice touch.
@yakucho2 жыл бұрын
I got addicted to watching your videos! They are really fun❤ when it comes to a TRIADIC COLOR SCHEME: it means to use 3 colors that lay across from each other on that nice color chart they sent. Like orange with violett and green. Usually variations of one of them for most of the painting/miniature and one just as an accent
@kernel54462 жыл бұрын
Oh wow, i think im convinced! once my GW paint is finished im moving to these! Dropper bottles for the win and still the same colors as GW! YAY :D
@Buchertn2 жыл бұрын
Great point about color triads a company that dose offer that is the Airbrush paints from Army Painter and I'm sure there are others out there.
@Jigrzan2 жыл бұрын
Thank you! Great video! You've merged paints review and painting tutorial! Clever! Definitely continue with the Slaves to Darkness box. I would like to see how you do the Ogroids.
@MrScrawnjuan2 жыл бұрын
I've had mine for a while now in Canada. Big fan. I like how they're in sets of 3. And how it gives you a Games Workshop equivalent.
@johnhanley55462 жыл бұрын
thanks .. always enjoy the painting videos - and the review of TTC is handy too!
@stamoskakomitas92832 жыл бұрын
You did an exceptional job! The color scheme is very good and I really like the base! I would love to see you paint the rest of the box!
@IIItiberius2 жыл бұрын
Lovin that 80's electronic music starting at 5:32! Nice touch!
@travelminipainter2 жыл бұрын
Hey Jon, Nice and balanced review of the paint range. You have correctly pointed out the good points as well as the flaws of the paint range. I did not back it myself for the same reasons as you. And I think your analysis is spot on. The paint range is clearly positioned as a direct GW rival, and it is a beginner painter paint set, for people that don't want to bother learning about colour theory and mixing their own colours with pure pigment colours to start with. Oh, they are actually more expensive than Citadel paints. Retail Citadel for 12 ml base/layer paints = 2,75 GBP or +- 239 GBP per litre. Retail Two Thin Coats for 15 ml = 3,95 GBP or +- 263 GBP per litre. So the TTC paints are roughly 13% more expensive in the UK compared to Citadel. That mileage may vary depending on location and currency conversion. But here comes another thing I have to say though. *** Tongue in cheek alert *** *** Wink *** *** Humor mode ON *** As chance wills it, I listened to the latest episode of "Trapped Under Plastic" just before watching this video. In there you were referring to the JH vs. SB "controversy", "drama", call it what you want. So I can't help but wonder whether you should not have disclosed at the beginning of this video, that you are working for Army Painter as part of the paint development team right at this moment... don't you tink? Be aware! SB might be coming for ya! *** Humor mode OFF *** *** Looking straight ahead *** *** Tongue returns to normal spot in mouth *** Keep up the nice work. I really do enjoy your videos.
@ramonrivera46042 жыл бұрын
That intro, 200IQ. I really enjoy all the new intros you have done.
@TheTommyFrench2 жыл бұрын
Now I want to see a Masterclass for this paint job. Amazing!
@charliecoke73962 жыл бұрын
For the most part seems like a fairly lacklustre paintrange, especially since out here in Canada we don't generally get products outside vallejo and Citadel, at least in my area, so even price wise DR paints will probably end up around the same price, but to be able to get an equivalent to the old agrax earthshade is something I'm very excited for as a Death Guard painter.
@frankg99562 жыл бұрын
CADIA STANDS!!! I also caught that you said that they taste pretty good. Good stuff Jon. Keep it coming.
@FictionDiction2 жыл бұрын
Oh cool, Jon is painting something I actually have! haha It'd be cool to see you paint the rest of that box as I'm doing the same now
@MMP-lj5xp2 жыл бұрын
I would love to see your take on painting a ravenguard army
@flamingopie2 жыл бұрын
I literally do not believe that you're painting the same demon prince model that was just released, this one looks so much better
@magnum939542 жыл бұрын
I'm not an amazing painter but have been using TTC since receiving them two months ago and have found them very useful and improved my work.
@piptarou2 жыл бұрын
I'm happy to hear you feel the same about painting wings hahaha. I love the build up from a warm colour to a cool colour; I'm a sucker for juxtaposition.
@gohan9242 жыл бұрын
I say keep going with the box set. I love your art style and humor so watching your videos is super easy.
@fusspawn2 жыл бұрын
my local store just got some of these in. sadly priced higher than GW paints. Might still give them a try if the quality of them is improved.
@Ninjon2 жыл бұрын
More expensive than GW??? Da fuq?
@aristotle292 жыл бұрын
While I only started painting minis this year, I looked at many videos on how to paint dragons when I had a dragon mini that I wanted to paint. I tried two different methods, airbrushing the highlight color and then using oil paints to blend and create shadows, and I also tried airbrushing the base layer and then dry brushing everything else the way Artis Opus does wings. The dry brushing method turned out way better. It was faster and easier, and I ended up with a more highly detailed dragon, plus the blends from shadow to light and from one color to another were awesome.
@jmang692 жыл бұрын
I appreciate the lengths you go to in testing, I always need to know how they taste as well.
@AndICanTalk22 жыл бұрын
I have this set, and I am excited to use it. Great video.
@creaturesbookreviews30742 жыл бұрын
Paint the Chaos set! This set seems really nice to replace old GW. There are some colors from back in the day that I would love to replace. My favorite moments….the demon double drop..😂😂😂 and “it tastes good.” 😂. Another great video. Thanks!
@corbanhos8012 жыл бұрын
15:36 final thoughts: a lot to like ✅, nice and creamy out of the bottle ✅, thins down well ✅, pleasant matte finish ✅, it tastes pretty good 🤨, goes through the airbrush great ✅, metallics and washes are solid ✅
@AdamMichalMarkowski2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for informing us about the alternative. If Duncan ends up making painst available outside of UK at reasonable prices I probably will think about switching to those as well.
@jamesmills40972 жыл бұрын
yeah ive given all my other paints away, i received the full set of duncan paints but didn't start using them until replacements were available. these paints are simply amazing, love the dropper bottles too
@williampowell9659 Жыл бұрын
This fantastic! Congratulations guys you work so hard. The only thing that would make me happier would be a cameo from bone playing against jinx. That would be so funny 😁
@DonaldPlummer2 жыл бұрын
love that intro! fantastic. love the transition music too!!
@lordestis29422 жыл бұрын
I'll be waiting for next weeks video. and Thank you for this one, you gave us a nice, impartial opinion about the 6paints.
@ptg2662 Жыл бұрын
I'm a begginer , and of course one of the first questions - which paint brand to choose. Now my birthday is approaching and my lady asked me - which set of paint I would like as a BD gift. At first I wanted to choose the megaset from Army Painter ( you get so many colours for a good price, 4,5 stars on Amazon in the UK for most of their smaller paint sets) , but decided to wait at least for a few days, to make a more balanced decision . After reading a lot of forums 2 names interested me, the Pro Acryl and Two Thin Coats. Honestly I went for the Pro Acryl just because the price per ml was better ( new/old 22ml bottles), plus good reviews on the net. And as for the Two Thin Coats the main downsaid rather than the price was the fact that they are a new brand, with limited supplies in Europe, I dont like the idea that I will have any sort of trouble with getting new paints when I need them. And yeah, most ppl recommend to start with just few paints and so on, this is a very progmatic and good advice, the problem with me is - I like to have full range at my disposal, just to overpay for the delivery ( postage) of 1-2 bottles that I will need, and oh I forgot, I need that bottle aswell, you know , I hate it ;D Also i've noted that they had 2 signature collections from 2 artists, before I had no Idea who they were, lol , but now that I've watched some of their videos, in some time I will 100% buy both sets, beautifull colours.
@jaxon442 жыл бұрын
Just assembled one of these last night. cant wait to paint it. Also I would love to see you paint up a Slaves to Darkness force.
@kjata0902 жыл бұрын
I'm excited, I KS this as well and can't wait to use these.
@Ruakk2 жыл бұрын
This would be a great army to see fully painted! Keep up the good work Lord Jon!
@Hurricanelive2 жыл бұрын
Dunc's paints are the best I've used yet, and I can't wait till they sell or kick a basing/technical/wash set. I'd buy/back another kit in a heartbeat. There were about 8 to 16 colors I'd like to have had to flesh out the set that I felt were missing but as a first-time product with all the difficulty involved and all the extras that were not required it's a fabulous paint line and I'm happy it popped on my FB feed one day with 2 hrs left for the special. The colors I felt missing I do have in GW and AP, but still looking fwd to the TTC's line growing.
@sempernovatusgames6798 Жыл бұрын
Hey Ninjon! A big fan here! Thank you for your job and motivation for the lovely hobby painting is. Could you do a mini tutorial of how to change the citadel paints into the bottles of the Vallejo kind? Cheers from Spain!
@arlannotness2 жыл бұрын
Nice to hear an unbiased review from a good painter. Thanks for sharing you thoughts and big thanks to your buddy for lending the paints to you. I’m curious how long it will be before they can be found in retail.
@KuroSukotto2 жыл бұрын
You and I had the same Idea of filling the gap in the chest and not using the armor. I wasnt sure which one i like more but I think you have me sold on the armorless chest
@gdonaldson262 жыл бұрын
That topple over near the end gave me flash backs to the old metal jump pack marines, with a great big solid chunk of metal high up on the model, ready to topple over at the slightest whiff of breeze. And it wouldn't be just the once. And the paint would always chip. Though they could be used in an emergency to stun an over-aggressive opponent at a games night...