Dune - Palm Trees

Palm Trees

[@ummdustry5718]

"Should we remove them, save the water?" *Ah shit, that's me job innit* "Nope, uhhh... they're sacred."

[@birch8109]

Haha

[@Bobylein1337]

exactly what I thought

[@nuggetsaltshaker9520]

He probably gets to drink extra water with the job too.

[@dustinalecxander8647]

@@nuggetsaltshaker9520 probably gives some to his friends too when no one is looking

[@harveyspecter1855]

Hhaahhahaha

[@TheAndroidNextDoor]

I'll never get over Paul walking outside with no hat or other covering, on a desert planet, in the middle of the sun, wearing a black dress uniform. Man must be absolutely cooking.

[@swiety1981]

Well... I'll never get over "gardener" watering the palms in the middle of the day ... on Arrakis

[@melelconquistador]

@@jakobinobles3263, no, your not supposed to water plants when the sun beats down on it durring the middle of the day. Sunrise or sunset are better for the health of the plant, doing other wise might kill it.

[@davidfeller1475]

@@melelconquistador That’s debatable and you’re not even right, the entire point of that saying is don’t water the plants leaves because they will magnify the sunlight and scorch the plant which clearly isn’t applicable here

[@septimusaurelius7881]

@@melelconquistador That's a wive's tale. There's no evidence for that being true, though on a desert planet where the Sun is far more powerful than Earth, maybe it might be.

[@BasedMilitarist6624]

@@davidfeller1475 Hey mate. İ do gardening and what the other guy said is true. You dont water the plant when there is sun. Only if its super hot and the soil looks dry and even then you put really low amount of water or the water gets hot and hurts the plant. You water the plants at night and you water them slowly.

[@syncout9586]

"Old Dream" The people of Arrakis had for many years wished that their planet can be turned into one full of water and life. And for a time, it was attempted. But once spice was discovered, people didn't want to turn Arrakis green anymore. The terraforming project ceased and all that's left are the abandoned terraforming stations that our characters hid in later in the movie. The palm trees were probably brought in during the first attempts of terraformation. Hence, he refers to them as an "Old Dream", an old dream of a lush and green Arrakis

[@vuilnisgod4388]

Very good

[@BoxStudioExecutive]

It’s not the people who didn’t want to terraform it, it’s the Emperor. The Fremen actively stockpile water for terraforming and strike their own spice deals to further their terraforming dream.

[@samfilmkid]

It’s also a phrase Villeneuve has used many times to describe his desire to adapt “Dune” for the big screen.

[@copinman]

Thank you for the explanation

[@stephenking5852]

SPOILER ALERT In Heretics or Dune, Arrakis gets blown up like Alderaan. 💥

[@MatthewChenault]

What I find to be impactful of this scene (a scene that is also in the book, by the way) is how the scarcity of water is quantified by people. It emphasizes the scarcity of something that, for us, is everywhere.

[@Torlik11]

It also help you understand what these tree represent for the people who live there. The dream of a planet that can be full of life, that is more than a desert in the middle of nowhere is important enough to them to spend a hundred people worth of water to keep them growin in the middle of the desert.

[@MatthewChenault]

@@Torlik11, and that, too, is what makes this scene a powerful one.

[@jamesharding3459]

It's an especially stark comparison to somewhere very wet like the Pacific Northwest. Water is just as much a part of the environment as the hundreds of millions of fir trees: It's absolutely everywhere in enormous quantities.

[@rainbowprism6242]

Well, he could mean it very literally. Fremen drained water from enemies. Especially Harkonnen.

[@imyourmaster77]

Y'all take it for granted, but water is a scarse resource in many parts of the world.

[@luxeternity]

The actor's for the gardener passed away last year T R.i.p

[@venzenulon]

really ?

[@luxeternity]

@@venzenulon yup his name Sheun Shote

[@venzenulon]

@@luxeternity ah...

[@namakudhani1]

Rip fremen gardener

[@heresjohnny602]

That sucks,still at least he lives on immortalised in an amazing film that's going to be part of the cinema library forever. 🤔

[@morgan145able]

Must have been a bit of a shock for the gardener to hear a noble talking to him like a normal person, especially after decades of Harkonnen brutality. Hell, even if the residents of Arrakis had heard about how nice the Atreides are, they may not have imagined that any of the higher class would ever treat them as equals or close to it.

[@oneofthoseyoutubeusers]

well tbf paul seemed like the only one willing to have a convo for the sake of having a convo even leto talking to stilgar wasnt for the sake of talking

[@johntowers1213]

if anything the gardner seemed fairly indifferent to Pauls rank, he didn't speak with any seeming fear or apprehension which considering his position and likely much in the way of direct contact with the new management at that point is fairly impressive

[@VortexThePrime]

@@johntowers1213 Indeed, but Paul also didn't care so it was a win-win lol.

[@Asahamana]

Fair point, but then again they did introduce bagpipes to Arrakis. 😄

[@oneofthoseyoutubeusers]

@@jakobinobles3263 they would have blown stilgar to shit if they saw him let alone him being near the palace

[@Archonsx]

“should we remove them, save the water” that’s a king right there.

[@chrisb9143]

this is how he will become an emperor

[@jacobwallace4967]

@@chrisb9143 and his son will be God Emperor

[@colamity_5000]

hes an actor

[@youraverageguy4930]

@@colamity_5000 no shit, sherlock. You want us to pat you in the back for being so clever?

[@somdeepkundu2506]

No, not King *Leader* The one who have holy tongue, Messiah

[@choclodox]

The little awkward “Hello” I can’t 😂

[@LargeBlueCircle]

wow what an amazing interpretation of frank Herbert's work. I never understood from the books why the palms werent removed- I thought it was left from the extravagance and cruelty of the Harkonnens. It never occurred to me it might have meaning to the fremen as well- hence the burning of the palms being such a powerful image. I love it.

[@danielchen2071]

In the original book, I think it was explained that the townsfolk wanted the fruits that came with the trees.

[@termitreter6545]

@@danielchen2071 Yeah, it was way more egoistic. Which wasnt surprising, considering how deadly of a world Arrakis is. Makes people care for themself first.

[@lazydog223]

Yeah it always came off to me as extravagant, like “hey we live on a world where moisture is so rare spitting is considering honoring. Now look upon my trees that require so much water to keep alive, just for viewing of course.”

[@noemigarayo609]

for now

[@user-ik8vy1rg8f]

I thought there were antennas hidden inside the trees for some reason?

[@hanasaurus]

in the books the Baron had not only palm trees but an extremely luscious greenhouse; if i remember right there's also a scene that reveals the Baron would have servants dump water onto the floor to watch people scramble for drops edit: thanks for all the corrections! definitely need to reread the series

[@kamion53]

Wasn't that not the diner guests cleaning their hands with precious water and dumping the towels on the floor, which were collected by watersellers, to sell the wrung out water to the locals?The effect of humilation of the locals is about the same as on your description.

[@RurikLoderr]

@@kamion53 And then Jessica stops the practice and implements a new one, that anyone coming up to her doors during dinner service will get a cup of water without the hassle of the humiliation.

[@Nollis]

@@RurikLoderr I remember that! Listened to an audiobook, before the movie came out, of excerpts from Dune read by the man himself, Frank Herbert.

[@condorboss3339]

? I thought the greenhouse belonged to Lady Margot Fenring.

[@RurikLoderr]

@@condorboss3339 It did, and she was also a Bene Gesserit who warned Jessica of danger in a coded message on the leaves of the ferns or palms in the greenhouse (something like that anyway). She warned that someone close to them had betrayed them (though she didn't know who) and that the greenhouse was safe. I might have some details wrong because it's been a long time since I read the book last.

[@phuturephunk]

I was actually upset after what happened later in the movie. They specifically showed the trees, too. Fantastic movie.

[@electricangel4488]

A symbole of an old dream. Just burned for a simple conflict.

[@hughiedgar7574]

The sets in this movie are just incredible...ancient and yet modern at the same time.

[@samy8897]

Isn't it all CGI, green screen

[@electricangel4488]

@@samy8897 q good amound isnt.

[@nodak81]

"ancient and yet modern at the same time." Like Cher's face.

[@lauvasquez8030]

It's so far in the future that it's ancient. I don't know how that makes sense to me, but it does.

[@OcnarfPro]

Too bad the movie sucked overall

[@salti9983]

I love this scene. I can't exactly point out why, but I just do. There's something nice about it that's hard to explain.

[@sentrazyven762]

It's fantastic world building. It gives a sense of spirituality and culture to the world of Dune. The best kind of world building is when you feel as though the world has been there before our current story and will continue to be long after it's done. We're just observers viewing an experience beyond no other

[@decespugliatorenucleare3780]

@@sentrazyven762 just like when they add feminized dukes and hysteric domineering women

[@little_hunt3r]

@@decespugliatorenucleare3780 Did you read the book or are you just a poser?

[@VictorIV0310]

@@little_hunt3r Judging by this specimen’s comment history, not much substance is found. A thorough recommendation of Temple OS re-education is required.

[@thisguy7175]

Please Try your best to explain

[@double-og4570]

In the book, baron harkonnen brought the palm trees to taunt the fremen he enjoyed the shocked looks on the fremen faces everytime they've been watered.

[@themanlikekg]

Thank you, I don’t remember that at all from the book

[@ddingopants]

It's weird, because the same narrative objectives (diplomacy and the dream of a green Arrakis) are achieved in the book when Jessica preserves the greenhouse in trust for the fremen. I guess this way you save some time, and the only story that's lost is a hidden warning in the greenhouse from count Fenring's wife.

[@stepanserdyuk4589]

Erm, in the book the trees were near the Fenrings' mansion.

[@override367]

I actually think this is a positive change, I really like it

[@SmokeDog1871]

@@stepanserdyuk4589 Ya every comment is getting that fact wrong on here for some reason

[@aleisterseverusgrey3778]

As others have mentioned. RIP Seun Shote aka Arrakeen Residency Gardener. This scene really stuck with me and just recently I heard the Actor died in 2021. He was 47, same age and name as me...Shawn. Made more money and had more fun than I will ever have and poof.

[@chloegrobler4275]

ALMOST LIKE MONEY DONT MEAN A THING...

[@antonikudlicki1100]

@@chloegrobler4275 Almost as if no form of distribution of money was able to bring an utopia. I wish it was obvious for people

[@NarsMcain]

Everyone here is missing the point. My man's looking into the void, and the void flirts back. By the gods is she one ugly bastard.

[@mommalion7028]

I saw this in theaters with my mom four hours before delivering my second child. I don't think I'll ever forget a second of it.

[@ximono]

Your child may be the Kwisatz Haderach.

[@_Cato_]

Lady Jessica...?

[@Mr.Ambrose_Dyer_Armitage_Esq.]

Did your husband get a paternity test to confirm it was also _his?_

[@bloodmachinebutbloodier]

@@ximono or the mu'adib

[@magnaesca165]

The movie or delivering your second child? probably the movie since you already delivered one child.

[@joshuasantana685]

On the surface level, the “Old Dream” represents what the Fremen want to do for Arrakis But I think this is a reference to what inspired Frank Herbert to write “Dune” It was based on an old article he first wrote for a newspaper about greenery taking over sandy beaches. About how palm trees were slowly encroaching on dunes of sand I think, the “old dream” is a reference to Frank Herbert.

[@swaminathan_r1]

No

[@joshuasantana685]

Thank you so much for the constructive criticism ^.^

[@electricangel4488]

Even on its own an old dream gives a lot of weight in the faith of the fremen. Believing dune could one day have tree's

[@jupiter0103]

The gardener looks directly to Paul when he says 'old dream'. Thus, he(the fremen effected by the missonaria protectiva) consider Paul as messiah, who will make their old dream come true.

[@bretthess6376]

@@joshuasantana685 Very good. A lucid reply to dull refutation.

[@interior.imperial1]

In the book this was a very important scene. It illustrated the distrust and hatred of the Fremen towards the occupiers of Arrakis and the callousness and opulence of the Harkonen and then Atreides occupiers. "They see the trees and think, 'there's a hundred of us there.'"

[@jyc313]

Date palms. Been around for millions of years, source of one of the earliest cultivated crops, and still around in this fictional distant future. Great stuff.

[@MHiggins]

This scene is so impressive to Muslim people for two major reasons. One the act of pilgrimage and prayer and second the date palms. In Islam, during Ramadan a person fasting would break the fast with dates and water. This is important as the prophet broke his fast with dates and water. How this faith on Arrakis has date palms in a desert and how it’s sacred is pretty interesting.

[@apetit8687]

There's lot's of islamic influence in the lore of the book, which I recommend over the movies.

[@marsupialmaniac8083]

It is said that the definition of a colony is not where you land, stay, or even build a home. It’s where you plant.

[@Yellow-Rose]

What's your take on that? What's the message?

[@marsupialmaniac8083]

The message is that this man and his Palm trees also serve a spiritual purpose of saying humanity has colonized the planet

[@Yellow-Rose]

@@marsupialmaniac8083 yes thank you

[@nicedayright4064]

"The Fremen were a people in alliance with their future selves". Imagine taking such a long view that you are quite willing to save water, by the mouthful, parched today so that your great, great, great grandchildren could live in an oasis. It is this, far more than their toughness or martial prowess that makes the Fremen so compelling to me.

[@Shangxen]

This scene reminded me of the scenes we can read in "the little prince" by Antoine de Saint-Exupéry. The feeling of absurdity underlined by the questions of Paul Atreides and yet justified by the peculiar context of the world of Arrakis that makes it logical is greatly present here, as in the work of Antoine de Saint-Exupéry. And I find it beautiful

[@justaguywhoissleepdeprived6381]

never thought someone would compare dune with little prince and it would make sense

[@archaeologistify]

After reading how painstakingly the Fremen conserve even the slightest amount of moisture, seeing a man dump cups worth of water into the desert ground makes me feel strangely uneasy *sips chilled water

[@ohdahngboi_2237]

i love how paul just casually walks up to a the tree waterer and says "hello" with a slight bit of awkwardness in the air like he isn't the son of a very influential duke

[@seekingabsolution1907]

Interesting thing about Arakkis, it isn't actually that devoid of water. The larval stage of the sand worms merely drain it from the surface and keep it underground in seal pockets. The dream he speaks of is terraforming the planet into a more earth-like climate and confining the worms into a smaller area. The reason they don't is that it would cost a lot and reduce the regions where spice could be harvested.

[@unowno123]

I was supprised no one around me noticed that his dream about burning trees was a direct reference to this area and the future attack, especially when he said these were the only trees on the entire planet, meaning he dreamed about these trees burning, inside the compound

[@shreyas4769]

His dream was not about burning trees . It was about transforming the planet into greenery I think.

[@fftere]

The "old dream" of this scene is about the fremen prophecy that Arrakis would become a green fertile planet, full of water

[@squashiejoshie200000]

@@shreyas4769 OP is talking about Paul's prophetic dreams.

[@CollectorChronicles]

I like how Paul carries himself. Humble and dignified at the same time.

[@madhog81]

I thought this scene, especially with him saying the trees represent an "old dream," were referring to the wish of the fremen for their world to be terraformed as I know in the books there are those that wish to see the world become less harsh. Am I wrong?

[@jacobwallace4967]

I think you got it. Excellent.

[@jonathanmizner14]

It seems to be almost the only remaining reference in this adaptation to the Fremen goals of terraforming (not sure if there's any others, since the dinner scene and terrarium scenes got cut, along with the Kynes discussions).

[@loop4x454]

maybe thats what the movie changed it too, in the books they are brought here by the harkonnens to ridicoule the natives

[@madhog81]

@@jonathanmizner14 There is also reference from the ecological officer/person. She talks of the plan and that once the spice was found, they were cancelled. A good and, I think will become, key to Paul's journey later on (I haven't read the books, I've only seen a couple videos on the Dune series, so don't know if it actually is key)

[@extraswaggeroni]

my interpretation was that in addition to what you said the trees represent Paul himself and how his life will ultimately lead to the loss of countless others, with the old dream being analogous to the Bene Gesserit's prophecy. you're supposed to genuinely question if it actually is worth it as Paul does. those that live it do not question it, those outside will find it strange and foolish, with Paul being in the interesting position of living between the two perspectives

[@ganii1804]

when i first watched this without any knowledge of dune i brushed it off as "hah, watering plants in an absolutely dry desert. funny" but after learning about the sacredness of water to the fremen only did this scene impact me they really love those fucking trees

[@RudyBleeker]

That's exactly the one thing that I hammered on in conversations with my wife before we went to see the movie in theaters. She hadn't read the books, still hasn't, so I didn't want to spoil anything about the story for her, but I did want her to realize that water on Arrakis was extremely scarce and therefor almost sacred to many of it's inhabitants.

[@superchroma]

I am reminded of the date palm oases in the UAE.

[@charlesc2095]

That pause, and the delivery with a nod "old dream", with that short sequence it actually brought such nuance and weight.

[@jonnekallu1627]

What bothers me about this scene is how the gardener is watering the trees during the day. Most of that water is just going to evaporate. He should have watered the plants after sundown when it's cooler. Let the water seep in to the sand.

[@sanders2850]

"Each one of these drinks every day the equivalent of five men." I'm assuming that because of the heat, those trees had to be watered during the day otherwise they would die. Just watering them at night wouldn't be enough.

[@Gtex555]

I love when people ruin movies for themselves with bullshit plotholes, trees would die during the day dumb dumb

[@RecklessFables]

They could at least use mulch to prevent some evaporation.

[@Gtex555]

@@RecklessFables the point of the scene is that keeping these trees alive is a stupid and unnecessary tradition. Digging any deeper is a mistake.

[@Alex13501]

@@Gtex555 But sometimes, its the hope and promise by the tradition that keeps the rest alive, dont underestimate power of faith(well, thats a whole theme of Dune lol), thats why gardener and probably all fremen around are ok with it.

[@brad5426]

When a dialogue about trees is captivating, you've made a good film.

[@adamushu]

This movie felt a lot like a Fellowship of the Ring, in all the right ways. The beginning of a masterpeice of a trilogy.

[@jaybazza248]

except with 0 world lore, no explanations of the CHOAM company, Guild, or Emperor/Landsraad

[@sumitrana2420]

@@jaybazza248 what?

[@dx3217]

@@jaybazza248 there is a saying in movies you mention then and that is it you don't throw every damn thing at ONCE and expect people to understand for fans, yes it works for newcomers... eh good luck without a sequel cause the target audience to have one is the newcomers always is and if people feel like being exposition dumped and nuked in the face with things they don't understand they wont come back.

[@jaybazza248]

@@dx3217 3 hours, never explains The Guild. CHOAM Company, The Emperor or the Laandsrad. No explanation of why the spice is important and no explanation of why The Atreides should be fighting the Harkonnens for Arrakis. If you didn't read the book this movie would leave you dumbfounded

[@ximono]

It was refreshingly devoid of spoken exposition.

[@stephen9609]

When your new boss asks you if we should eliminate your job: "No, no, no... let me continue to do this meaningless day job"

[@Kyle-sr6jm]

Yea, losing that job would probably mean death for him, and his family.

[@pajamapantsjack5874]

“Old dream” says it all An attempt to make this foreign world more like home. A failure of course. But kept alive never the less

[@Tarik360]

Plus more dates

[@cthulawha]

in the books about 360 years from this scene , trees and vegetation have been grown across a third of Arakkis, in 1500 years there is only a small desert while majority of the planets green under the rule of Paul's son Leto the God Emperor

[@K3VINM]

Later in the film Liet-Kynes explains that there were testing stations to pump the water deep beneath the sand that would have rejuvenated the desert turning Arrakis into a beautiful paradise. But once spice(money) was discovered no cared about plants. That is why the palm trees are an "old dream"

[@DarthTetrious]

In this one interaction, Paul knew that this "old dream" wasn't old at all but the goal of all Fremen. He was able to deduce their true goals with very little information. Bene Gesserit training along with mentat computation made Paul extremely formidable. Even before the spice trance.

[@lolbots686]

Ye,pre acencion via the water of life where he destroyed his own soul,pauls dreams still made him aware of stuff like how to wear a stillsuit and survive the desert Post acencion where he rips his own soul apart,paul was leagues better with his precience and then some

[@Axias2011]

100 lives.. ONLY IF YOU RUN OUT OF WATER.. Its a symbol of success if nobody is dying. Palm Trees represent immortality btw. They will only ever die from natural disaster or disease.

[@stateofflorida5082]

The trees actually only need one man's worth of water, he just says they need five so he can sell the rest to 80 people.

[@jonathanlondon4501]

California drought vibes.

[@dominokos]

Honestly, this kind of impresses on me just how good Chalamet is as Paul. He's an insanely talented actor and the nuance is great.

[@gronthgronth2628]

Just a reminder, that this old dream scene, thought different then in the books, brings a really dark foreshadowing. Later, much later, Paul will tell his dream to his son. And Arrakis will be changed into a lush, green world, with rivers, lakes and seas. But for that dream to come true, the whole galaxy will be plunged into a genocidal war... and once Arrakis gets terraformed, spice flow stops... throwing everyone into a new dark age. No travelling. No communication. Only the will of the Emperror.

[@BambiLena666]

Didnt the jihad across the galaxy start with Paul taking over Arrakis? I might be missremembering but that was something he kept trying to avoid and couldnt. The Fremen set out on a galaxy wide war for their God Emperor Paul.

[@lolbots686]

@@BambiLena666 ok so let me explain During the escape into the desert and in the tent scene,between arrakis naturaly having spice,paul loses his mind as he sees visions of muad'dib,the kwizats haderach leading fremen as he mows sardakaur down easly,and other visions involving the jihad,going mad from the dark revelation of what goes on,paul snaps at jessica and,perhaps in foreshadowing,paul uses the voice muad'dib,his future self when he is nothing but a husk and a god. My bet is that when paul agrees going with the fremen,its likely that wether paul goes or stays, slaughter will happen,and so paul accepts to a extent of the dark fate awaiting him as paul and jessica follow the fremen with in dune part 2,kicking off with the funeral of jamis,paul destroying his soul and becoming muad'dib to stand a chance and all that

[@sernoddicusthegallant6986]

Man really woke up today and thought "Hey Im gonna spoil the entire book series"

[@gronthgronth2628]

@@sernoddicusthegallant6986 the book is almost 60 years old at this moment and numerous adaptations were done in radio, TV and movies. Even comic books. If at this point someone still managed to never hear this story, well, its kinda on them tbh.

[@sernoddicusthegallant6986]

@@gronthgronth2628 Ah yes I forgot I was talking to gronthgronth, the legendary genius of culture and literature who has experience every book, series and movie that has come out more than 60 years ago. Out of the "numerous adaptations" the only ones to reach mainstream acclaim was the david lynch movie and the 2021 one. Both of which only covered the first book. So the events of future books are hardly going to be mainstream knowledge.

[@ianzorzi4116]

SPOILERS ironically later in the series we discover that terraforming the whole of Arrakis would lead to the sandworm's extinction, since the sandtrout which form the worms cannot survive around water. by extension, that would end the only natural source of melange upon which all Fremen are physically dependent on--withdrawal from spice is lethal. not only that but a sandworm is basically God to the Fremen so imagine fulfilling your terraforming dream only to simultaneously & accidentally killing the very thing central to your culture's spirituality Herbert is saying that yes, religion is indeed a powerful social force that can motivate seemingly irrational behavior as a cultural practice; however the whole of human society itself is shaped by the natural environment it inhabits, and meddling with nature while blinded by faith can lead to unintended & dire consequences

[@oneofthoseyoutubeusers]

i thought that sand trout were fine around water; moving it deep underground but when they grow into worms it becomes poisonous to them

[@lewiswood1437]

@@oneofthoseyoutubeusers this is true, dune used to be a lush planet. But part of the sand worms life cycle turns areas into a dessert. The sand trout lock water into the ground as part of growing larger

[@Torlik11]

You could also look at it another way. Their faith is something that helped the Fremen survive on Arrakis for a long time but terraforming the planet, making it more livable for them, also mean getting rid of that faith, killing their "god" in the process. At some point, religion must be left behind to create a better world for everyone.

[@bretthess6376]

Well said.

[@cthulawha]

except that Leto 2 ,Paul's son deliberately reduces the desert, allows the worms to die and becomes a symbiote being with the sand trout , making himself the last living worm and then when he dies the worm cycle begins again. It was all by the design of the Golden Path which Paul sees but cannot make himself follow, leaving his son to make the sacrifice

[@VersusARCH]

Dune universe people: figured out interstellar travel but not the drip irrigation...

[@elgappa8693]

I assume its a ritual thing, given the religious nature of these trees to send someone out to water them. Notice how they use this rather ineffective tool as well? Has to be something spiritual

[@Filmaluco]

also drip irrigation would probably be less effective, given than water can remain in the tubes... easy access to steal water aswell. you are in a place where you don't waste water at all!! plus its a ritual like the comment above said

[@centurymemes1208]

also projectile weapons to destroy huge armies of shieldy boys that would knock them or gas

[@jasperlim8319]

@@centurymemes1208 Projectile weapons? If I understand you right, shields explicitly rendered projectile weapons like guns obsolete. In the books they still have artillery though, good against buildings and I guess maybe pressure and stuff can still kill.

[@cgi2002]

Going from books and extended universe, they actually had projectile weapons in their history, the invention of the sheild is what put an end to the general use of them. The sheilds work by stopping anything travelling above a set speed, and a single personal sheild generator is powerful enough to stop any weapon infantry can reasonably use, nobles shields are even stronger capable of stopping the weapons infantry can't reasonably use too (to prevent assassins using heavy weapons to kill them). Sure you may still get knocked over, but none of the energy transfers to you. Gas should work (doesn't in this version apparently), as they don't stop the air, but gas is in turn easy to counter with masks, it's also difficult to precisely control. Lasers make sheilds explode, in a nuclear fireball with a several megaton yeild. Hence no one uses them except the sadukar, who generally are used offensively, and don't mind blowing themselves up in a nuclear fireball to kill the emperors enemies. The wodescale use of lasers on Arakis however makes sense, sheilds vibrate constantly, this attracts worms, so outside of sheild wall, no one uses sheilds, thus making them a generally viable weapon. Normally though, everyone fights with melee weapons using a specially adapted fighting style of slow precise movements to get through sheilds, Paul has mastered this style and it nearly gets him killed during his first fight with a fremen, as he can't get the timing right for unsheilded fighting. The atredies actually developed a weapon that defeats sheilds but never got to use it, the fremen later adopted under Paul's leadership and found it devastatingly powerful. Also in regards to sheilds and weapons, remember open warfare was forbidden by the emperor and the landsrat (no way i spelt that right), conflict was fought by proxy in what were called wars of assassins. Were the combat was limited to sabotage and assassination attempts usually, there was no larger scale combat for generations before the attack on Arakis.

[@r8itrtr833]

He (that chained person) said: ‘Tell me about the date-palm trees of Baysaan.’ We said: ‘What do you want to know about them?’ He said: ‘I am asking you whether these trees bear fruit.’ We said: ‘Yes.’ He said: ‘Soon they will not bear fruit.’

[@adnan8891]

Dajal.

[@cayman_islands]

kıyamet alametlerinden

[@GabrielMartinGeller]

That man passed away. R.I.P. Very brief part but a special moment in the film.

[@panyvino1270]

The gardener: Damn, the sun is killing me Paul: _elo_

[@lynxvex]

Even the way he says 'Hello' is so humble and nuancedly respectful

[@searacoon3512]

It's true, in my culture, palm trees are considered of high importance, it's said that the remaining of the creation of our father Adem was used to create the palm tree, as she's considered to be our Aunt 😊. Just wanted to share that information 😁

[@x_nasheed_x9622]

Oh, this are indeed Sacred.. Our ancestors used to eat the fruit of this tree to break their 16 hours fast.

[@henrymiles1020]

Funny how there are so many epic moments in the film but this and Bene Gesserit scene stuck with me...

[@Red-Magic]

That music from the Mother leaving in her ship was terrifying

[@ZChronicNebula]

True

[@GlobalFatso]

Just to point out, watering plants during a hot daytime is water wasting 100%, most of the water evaporates before it gets to the ground. So generally speaking you best water your plants when its dark or not so hot. This is what I've been taught.

[@keijimorita1849]

Maybe they need to be watered often there.

[@philipramsden4975]

It's actually an old wive's tale tbh. On really hot days it's beneficial to water during the day to reduce the soil temperature

[@nicolaim4275]

@@philipramsden4975 There are other ways to reduce soil temperature such as providing shade at the bottom of the trees. Funnelling the water wouldn't make as impactful a scene, though.

[@cchavezjr7]

@@philipramsden4975 not an old wives tale. Try farming in the desert and you'll learn that standing water will kill the roots if they don't get oxygen.

[@jeffumbach]

Maybe that's why he's pouring the water as close to the soil as possible?

[@matodragonespor5000]

If I remember well, in the book they said the fremen saw the palm trees as a symbol of hope

[@KoOkiEzRoCkz]

This movie is just so entertaining for me. Everything about it makes it feel satisfying to watch. The costume and prop design. The cast. The dialogue. And ofcourse, that fantastic soundtrack. The movie takes its time, but you get absorbed.

[@zooweemama3835]

Some books don't need a movie adaptation.

[@VVF96]

I feel like "the equivalent of five men" is one of the most misunderstood lines in the movie. It is not to be read as "as much water as a five men drink", but rather as "the water contained in five men". It adds a deeper symbolic understanding, together with the knife being a Maker (of water). And, naturally, "twenty palm trees, a hundred lives".

[@philip8498]

that would make these palmtrees even more valuable. instead of the about 2-3 liters of water a human needs daily on earth (on arrakis with a stillsuit on its probably significantly less) its 40-60 liters per palmtree per day. on arrakis you could keep a sizeable fremen population alive with that much water.

[@jam92es]

I don't think so

[@squashiejoshie200000]

Well, you just misunderstood it. In the original conversation, Jessica and Yue were talking about how much water it takes per day for the trees and how much water a man needs per day. They specifically mention that it is the daily requirement.

[@trollge3712]

no lol you’re the one misunderstanding

[@Arkain89]

the gardener literally uses the verb "drink", not "contain"

[@jezoboii]

As someone who had never read or seen the 1984 movie. After seeing this movie, I am 100% invested in this world. So damn cool. Chalamet is such a sweet actor too

[@JnEricsonx]

I grew up with the OG movie. The extended TV version. Finally saw the theatrical properly in a theater a few years ago. Dragged a friend to it after I worked at our job on my day off. "Fine, I'll come in to work-you come to the theater and see my chilldhood classic movie-thats the deal." My friends thought was "interesting, but weird." Close enough.

[@sernoddicusthegallant6986]

Should read the books (or at least the first four) Theyre weird as hell but interesting

[@CSReeves987]

I'm glad they included the palm trees but I wish they had kept it was a conversation between Yueh and Jessica. I feel like the audience needed the context of Yueh's wife being harmed by Harkonnens.

[@Adnovac]

Watched dune 3 times in cinema because I knew it was going to be a cult classic from my first viewing, so excited to see what they make of the second half

[@dantraficonte8752]

One of the best scenes in the movie

[@BIGBIRD208]

The Palm Trees symbolize the oasis that Arrakis was intended for, thus making them sacred so as to keep the dream alive. When the Harkonens burn them down, it makes it all the more impactful.

[@zakariazouhdi7311]

there are more layers to it. Palm trees are the trees of the muslim, and dates hold a certain significance in islamic culture. The Fremen descend from it, so the palm trees symbolize a remnant of their spiritual past... An old dream.

[@sirrealism7300]

Im glad Floridians are getting some representation in mainstream media. They deserve it after all the prejudice they've suffered.

[@PkorniBoi]

I Gotta rewatch this movie

[@shaunbang]

Wow I had no idea that the dried dates I love to eat were from palm trees that have been growing around me all my life lol I always just assumed the fruits on palm trees were inedible considering how nobody bothered with them. Had I know they were dates I would have harvested them all

[@bretthess6376]

Be careful of spiders and snakes. Not trying to scare you off of it... Good luck.

[@kubli365]

Oh dude wait til you hear about coconuts

[@ablethanegray]

Date palms are a specific kind of palm

[@c.w.simpsonproductions1230]

Speaking as someone who lives in South Florida, I can guarantee that if you tried walking outside in our climate in early afternoon in black, you'll be drenched in sweat in less than a minute.

[@AA_21861]

I'm pretty sure you asked for none of this, so apologies for the rabbit hole post below. But I do like talking about this so I'll chip in with a long-winded hot take. So Florida climate is humid, since it's so close to the ocean. In desert climates, the heat is dry. So it's quite common to *not* sweat since the sweat evaporates right off your skin. In fact, one has to watch out because the lack of sweat can fool one into thinking they're doing fine. In reality, they're slowly getting dehydrated. White or light clothing is still preferable to black in deserts, but it's much more important to keep them loose and flowy to allow air to circulate around the body. And black can help retain heat at nights, when deserts can get really cold (the lack of water vapour means that heat escapes quite easily at night and is not retained).

[@JhonatanCandidoxD]

Old Dream 🙏🏽🌴

[@shazzakip2]

It did bother me how the scarcity and importance of water was barely touched upon comparative to how it was in the book

[@sono_chi_no_sodium_chlorid7635]

"They don't care about heatstroke" Well neither does Paul apparently

[@CaptainPrincess]

I mean he DID say he shouldnt be out there that time of day

[@AlisterTate]

Upon rereading the book after watching this movie, i find it interesting that there’s really almost no mention of the dream of Terraforming Arrakis into a subtropical oasis considering how frequently it’s mentioned in the books. Maybe the concept will receive more attention in the 2nd part?

[@WildBCFly]

I think it will because it becomes a lot more prevalent in the story after Paul joins with the Fremen. Kynes death scene is the first part of the book where it's explicitly stated to be a goal of the fremen and thats close to the end of this movie.

[@emiliomonroy7929]

Ohhh so that's why he says old dream? Because of the dream of the freemen and how the palm threes symbolize that?

[@turboterps]

ahh yes my favorite character

[@spech6522]

After seeing part two and having a better understanding of how fremen treat water, they don’t even let themselves cry because it’s a waste of water - that is insane to spend this much on garden, or any at all. No matter how sacred a tree is.

[@howitzer551]

To the people talking about how casual the gardener talked to Paul, just a couple of things. This will have Spoilers and probably be too long, so you have been warned. First the mention of the "old dream" he mentions has to do with the fact that long ago Arrakis was lush (tldr: the worms actually make the planet a desert) and when the Fremen found evidence of this in enormous salt beds (dried up seas), they dreamed of making the planet green again. This guy probably would tend the trees on his own and could give two shits about who was providing him the water. Atreides or Harkonnen doesn't matter. Second I am like 99% sure he would never meet the baron or probably any of the upper echelon of house Harkonnen. The Harkonnens are one of the lesser houses (still a great house of the House Major if I remember the books right) and the baron prefers to work behind the scenes only doing things himself(brutally killing people) to inspire fear and complacency in his men. They also were disgraced a few generations back (can't remember the timing but think their house head was a coward or something) and the only reason they are in the position they are now is because of the baron's cunning. The Harkonnen power really comes from spice, the baron was excellent as making money and squeezing ever last drop of profit out of Arrakis. He then used all that money to get lots of political power i.e. bribes and blackmail, as well as military power(mostly just numbers Harkonnen soldiers are pretty much just bullies and not good fighter but there are a lot of them). Finally, a major plot point of the story (though expressed differently in the books) is the Atreides are just better people than most of the House Major. Basically, Leto is the personification of the fabricated image the other heads want to project. I am not saying he is without flaws just that, the bs nobility stereo types that the nobility of Dune try to emulate, Duke Leto actually walks the walk while the rest are talk. Leto is a warrior, fair in rule, and noble of character and this has earned him absolute loyalty of his men (for the most part). While I would say the major reasons for the whole trap are more political maneuvering and fear of Duke Leto as a rising power, a not insignificant portion of it was just because the emperor was jealous of him.

[@squashiejoshie200000]

Minor difference is that it would be common knowledge that it was the Harkonnens who controlled Arrakis. They also controlled it through oppression, hatred and fear. Their military hunted the fremen and would take slaves. When Atreides comes, they don't do the same things. They stop the water towel tradition and install a basin for people to get free water during the evening meal. Instead of attacking Sietches and villages, they send ambassadors. Instead of open use of force, they use diplomacy where possible. The difference for everyone is significant, even if they never directly saw a man with the Harkonnen name. They all would have seen Harkonnen soldiers and heard stories of their actions. Then when Atreides soldiers arrive and act differently, the Duke's son walks freely and talks as equals, and the Fremen are approached openly for talks, everyone would know the difference.

[@howitzer551]

@@squashiejoshie200000 Oh I am not downplaying the significance of the difference between how House Atreides and Harkonnen rule, after all it is a major point of the first book, but I am just saying it probably didn't effect the guy watering the tree that much. Remember the trees are in Arrakeen not Carthag. Carthag was the capital under Harkonnen rule and is much bigger both in actual footprint and population density. Leto chose Arrakeen because while it was still a large city with a palace(can't remember whose, it belonged to another house that had spice trade rights), it was much older and had a history of basically being the connection of the Fremen to the outside world beyond Arrakis which made it both one easier to protect and root out Harkonnen agents and a good symbol of things changing and his willingness to work with the Fremen. Point being besides protecting spice mining and trading most of Harkonnen power on Arrakis was centered on Carthag which, while still on the shield wall of the northern pole, is 200 kilometers away from Arrakeen.

[@SuperNovaJinckUFO]

I find it interesting. In the book, the palm trees are purely a symbol of extravagance and oppression. The people of the city look at them with scorn, like a pointless waste of water. But here, they're given a religious significance to the fremen. It demonstrates how oppression is easily masked by spirituality and tradition. A foreshadow (I hope) of what's to come in Dune Part 2

[@racher4593]

Yueh: "Do you know what they're thinking." Jessica: "Do you profess to read minds?" "Those minds. They look at those trees, and they think, "There are 100 of us." "That's what they think." "Why?" "Those are date plams. 1 date palm requires 40 litres of water a day. A man requires but 8 litres. A palm then equals 5 men. There are 20 palms out there; 100 men." "But some of those people look at those trees hopefully." "They but hope some dates will fall, except its the wrong season." This is one of my favorite moments in the book. It encapsulates Yueh's despair and Jessica's attempt at denying the fear she felt beautifully. Moreover this moment truly humanizes Yueh and gives the character a truly significant level of dimension. Villeneuve completely rewrote this moment, and i don't think he has any idea what he lost in doing so.

[@hsandev8972]

So thats how the terraforming of Arrakis was born.

[@finlay5789]

palm trees couldnt hack the invasion : (

[@jonnekallu1627]

It's their own fault. They should not have stood there... menacingly.

[@beratozturk3169]

i have to watch it again, what a masterpiece

[@deedowpane5861]

OHHH LETS GET THE FEELING 🌴🔥

[@liyaalpha8117]

There is a saying.. If palm trees are dead.. Its a dead land.. Because. Palm trees roots can find the very low water available and survive.. If they are dead.. Case closed. And palm trees are the one which all its parts are used effective for human living. Some says a country's gdp is depends on palm Trees..

[@VictorIV0310]

Greetings

[@CMZneu]

Yeah sacred... sure... the guy just didn't want to lose his job lol.

[@archiethejanitor6779]

the 1st act of this movie is so relaxing

[@walterwhite4699]

0:08 the way he says “hello” is kinda satisfying.

[@ZChronicNebula]

0:17 don't worry guys he's standing in the shade. Villeneuve is no Whedon!

[@weirdshibainu]

Forget Spice, I'd like to have the sunscreen franchise on Dune.

[@Thelonelywolf634]

Man almost on the edge of unemployment Suddenly makes bold move "These are sacred"

[@Coke_Cain4160]

'Cut trees to save water' the slogan of our future

[@dantraficonte8752]

“Old dream”

[@LordCommander-ui2fw]

The dream of an Arrakis filled not with dust and death, but with vitality and life. Where the sand dunes and barren crags give way to blue oceans and green hills.

[@dantraficonte8752]

@@LordCommander-ui2fw YESSSS

[@Totherphoenix]

I've watched this scene like 10 times and still can't see who tf Paul's referring to when he says "they're out here" lmao

[@Dynomafia139]

They're behind a grate down some steps, you can just barely see the top of it in the wide shot

[@Totherphoenix]

@@Dynomafia139 after making this comment, I went and rewatched the movie and saw that right before this shot they showed exactly where the pilgrims are lol - my bad

[@pepleatherlab3872]

The saddest part is eventually one discovers the planet used to be a tropical paradise. It was terraformed into desert to support the sandtrout, which was imported and evolved into the Sand Worm. All that ecological death just for Melange spice.

[@BenjaminNaman]

Thanks for reminding me to buy this movie now that it's on blue Ray!

[@KingMaciass1]

Is Dune a one time movie or will there be a part 2? The movie was so odd but at the same time, I couldnt stop watching. Will have to watch again soon

[@byu3293]

part 2 is currently on production

[@KingMaciass1]

@@byu3293 best news I got all day! Thank you

[@stepanserdyuk4589]

The scene is taken from the book, although framed differently, and is _technically_ an example of Villeneve genuinely doing his homework; unfortunately, it just doesn't fit with the creative changes that he allowed himself to make at the same time. Having these palm trees as a sign of wealth makes sense for the Fenrings (as representatives of the Imperial power), and for the book-Harkonnens (as nouveau riche hedonists that they were originally envisioned). Villeneve-Harkonnens, on the other hand, are ruthlessly pragmatic and cynical businessmen instead, and for them, having this luxury and sustaining it with priceless water for a _century_ seems blatantly out-of-character - especially considering the fact that they burned the trees on re-capturing the planet without so much as having a second thought. So, it's one of the multiple cases in the otherwise great movie, where imagery overrules integrity.

[@NoNo-or2wj]

Wonderful point! Honestly sums up the entire movie, it's riddled with surface-level readings of the material that miss the thematic or worldbuilding points of the text.

[@Baldwenis]

I don't agree with this perspective, I think the burning of the palms represents the 'squeezing' of Arrakis. The movie-Harkonnens are more pragmatic, I agree with you there. But they still value wealth, and the display of it. They continued the tradition of 'watering' the palms in the same way that Immortan Joe from Mad Max wasted water; to show off their power and wealth. The Harkonnens either didn't know or didn't care about the meaning of the palms, which fits into the fatal flaw for the house. The burning of the palms represents the new brutality of the second Harkonnen occupation of Arrakis. - First occupation: The Fremen are persecuted but ignored, palms are watered. - Second occupation: "And the Fremen?" " Kill them all", palms are burned. The movie's story is somewhat different to the book, but I think this was a faithful adaptation of the source material.

[@stepanserdyuk4589]

@@NoNo-or2wj Thank you. I have to say, that I really loved the movie, the work of the cast, director, composer, designers, and such. They even managed to get the essense of the story, this terrible future that the character walked towards while being terrified of it - it's surprisingly easy to lost it behind a simple "a rightful heir returns" narrative, as the previous adaptations did. But that doesn't stop one from seeing the similar faults of this masterpiece. If anything, it makes them stand out like a sandworm in a sandbox.

[@stepanserdyuk4589]

@@Baldwenis The movie Harkonnens decidedly do not "display wealth". They live in a grey castles without any furniture, they wear simple robes or armor, the Baron himself looks like a _monk,_ rather than a lord of a freaking planet. Literally the only piece of unnecessary jewelry he has - the ring - turns out to be a personal shield generator, strictly utilitarian in nature. Compare this with his book counterpart, whose flamboyant show of wealth is basically his defining trait.

[@imperatorvegetarius]

I don't think it's a display of wealth, but one of power. The Harkonnens, by importing these palm trees and watering them for a century, display their domination of that vital resource by spending it in a manner that seems frivolous, and also simultaneously infer to the Fremen and Arrakeen natives that they are considered so poorly as to be beneath plant life in the hierarchy of the Harkonnen regime.

[@beefsuprem0241]

Love the way they chat like equals that could be waiting for a bus or something. Neither concerned about Paul's status.

[@bl5752]

The significance of the palm trees in the book is much more powerful. They aren't sacred; they are a show of wealth hated by the local population. It's an eat-the-rich moment.

[@TheKaMeLRo]

If this planet is so hot why no one is sweaty? Me living in Thailand,j ust a few minutes outside, wearing T-shirt, made me sweaty so bad. 😂

[@szylaj]

dry heat, no humidity in the air, sweat evaporates too fast to be visible

[@Pallyrulez]

Once you visit a hot dry place (like Egypt for eg.) you'll be amazed how little sweat stays on your skin. The sweat evaporates so quickly.

[@the1tigglet]

What gets me is the bucket isn't white, we know today that white reflects the suns rays and helps prevent heat build up inside the objects that are white. I am also surprised the buildings aren't white for the same reason. There's also a system used by the Vulcans in Star Trek that allowed airflow from the base of the building to the top that automatically cooled their buildings there were tiny windows used to do this which I'm surprised Denis didn't consult architects about when he had them building the sets. But I'm weird like that about details.

[@InternetMameluq]

For your first point: you don't want to water plants with cool water, you want the water at ambient temperature. And yeah white buildings would be less stupid, but this is a feudal society, you're lucky they're not fucking their sisters for most of the movie. I say most because there's incest from top to bottom, that's how feudalism works.

[@Jobe-13]

This movie was so cool

[@imbara33]

It is interesting, because I think it mentions what Doctor Kynes mentioned in the bunker. The time when before they found Spice on Arrakis, they were trying to make things grow here. That’s what I think he meant by “Old dream”