EA's Responds to Star Wars Loot Box Rant! - [Angry Interview]

[@cemlynwaters5457]

This producer just avoided the answer to pretty much every question... Don't buy EA games

[@Smokeawaythehate]

Agreed and I won't. I use to spend money every once in a while on Galaxy of Heroes for Android but, not anymore. I'm done supporting EA. Never again.

[@chilairearts4238]

but he did give an answer. just not a satisfactory one.

[@walid4573]

Kung Phu i got ufc 2 about 2 years ago and that was the first and last ea game i will ever get.

[@fightwithonefilms]

Once you begin to stumble and not have a clear cut answer you're avoiding the question

[@michaellee6169]

Not defending this practice but he doesn't want to get fired. EA probably were watching him like a hawk to see if he was going to throw them under the bus

[@LandryHardy]

Great interview Joe. You were hitting him with some hard questions and didn't let up. Thank you for doing the stream beforehand where you gathered our questions and then addressed our concerns with him.

[@teamhex]

You say he didn't let up...then the comment above you says "You had him on the ropes and let him go". Which is it?

[@WW-fn7rt]

teamhex That was a different person genius. He doesn't think for another person.

[@reachcole514]

What are you talking about this was terrible. That dice representative played him like a damn fiddle.

[@megumi6499]

2012 Joe would've fought him on the side of the street

[@multimeter2859]

Megumi sonic free riders reference lol

[@heyou2424]

To save everybody 35 minutes Joe: Why is there lootboxes Paul: Idk just because repeat 10-20 times with different wording end

[@lordrevan9788]

heyou2424 Accurate

[@neythenbarber2178]

Haha thanks!

[@calebmurphy9406]

Or you could listen to what the guy actually said and attempt to wrap your feeble brain around it.

[@omlo9093]

Thanks. I didn't feel like listening to Joe sucking off EA instead of asking the hard-hitting questions.

[@erikkartman7076]

lol i remember the SWtor-EA guy telling the player loot boxes are ''exciting' and ''thrill of the hunt'' fcuk thses guys im done with EA. The true answer is simple...they made studies about gamers and they find out player are gamblers and they loves that kind of garbage stuff that keep them playiing but its not for me fuck this bullshit

[@erynncollier8672]

BOYCOTT EA

[@benstrait4960]

AJ, I thought this was a great interview! Nice balance between being cordial and pressing him on certain points. I also liked how you made it obvious the parts that you didn't agree with, without burning a bridge here and restricting future interviews. Keep being you, AJ!

[@colefisher6751]

Ben Beats WASD Agreed! It allows us to come up with our own judgements based on how deep he digs. Awesome!

[@angrychimp7824]

Dodged question’s I’m with Joe loot boxes will be the down fall of mainstream gaming.

[@sovietninja6865]

AngryChimp that’s why people buy indies

[@bigkillkillbig]

and then those get lootboxes lol

[@Sladegaming555]

The only game that I am okay with that has something similar to "loot boxes" is Warframe, but it's free to play so you get to choose whether you want to support the devs or not. That's the only time I'm okay with something like this.

[@beezzarro]

Fuck man, can't we just unlock guns and equipment like bf3? I don't need fucking lootboxes to bring me back to m&b warband, it's just actually fun. Weird concept in mainstream gaming when a game is just fun, right?

[@redtukeguy8968]

AngryChimp ahh but who cares if you can rack in a couple hundred Million while the boat is sinking. The game industry is all about the "right now" profit with total disregard of the future.

[@redpandarampage2191]

That justification for loot boxes was utter bullshit. Everything he said about "trying new things" and all that bullshit CAN STILL BE DONE WITHOUT GETTING CUSTOMERS TO PAY MORE MONEY!

[@pthomas923]

He was avoiding the question (I get why) asked if it was an EA decision. We all know it was and anyone who thought this guy was going to come on and point the finger at them they are living in an alternate dimension. This is a business decision more and more large publishers are pushing because people are suckers. There are a shit ton of people ready willing and able to pay extra for loot boxes. Until those people decide not to buy them they will always exist. Its sad but its how it going to be.

[@MADMAN1747]

Remember Battlefield 4? How you could progress in each individual class? I'd play a class for a while and switch for whatever situation was needed on the map at the time. How hard is it to do that in Battlefront? I mean you could do that in the original Battlefront 2 and that had a progression system in it back in 2005 even tho it was very basic, remember the Award Assault Rifle etc? There is perfect working formulas from past games, what is being done nowadays is just ruining all AAA games and giving them shorter lives. People want freedom in games, they don't want to be forced to open multiple lootboxes to get an item they have seen on another player, they want to find out the way to get it and work for it.

[@beeseebee_]

Tru.. But u gotta give them credit for answering critics, making some changes, and interacting. Most companies wouldn't. Here's a fact.. They want to make more money. They will design games to achieve this. At the end, we just don't want extreme pay to win

[@Circaman8]

Of course it was. The guy can't smack talk the people that have his job in their hands. He has to pretend like everything is great.

[@tomurquhart100]

Definition of gambling. 'Take risky action in the hope of a desired result'. Loot boxes where you can spend real currency ARE gambling and need to be removed from games, especially those played by children.

[@dbrown992]

FPP im fine with it, vote with your dollar they will get the picture

[@walid4573]

FPP bitch please

[@walterwallman3566]

AMEN!!!

[@mrhunthunt7315]

Thanks for sticking up for us Joe!

[@watermelonmonsterman6027]

Viagra

[@watermelonmonsterman6027]

PHILL SHIVELY Homo erectus is how.

[@tristancambrelanc3813]

Sorry you wasted 30 minutes of your life with this EA guy Joe!

[@Thebridge232]

He said at the end that he wants battlefront 3 to have no lootboxes. EA is major company, their main goal is to make money whether you like it or not. Joe was trying to propose ideas that would appeal to the players while simultaneously being profitable for EA.

[@tristancambrelanc3813]

I know what Joe is doing and trying to do, I'm all for Joe. I'm just saying, like you said, EA is a major company and its ONLY goal is to make money, whether we like it or not. So what does this all mean? Joe and his proposals is just a waste of time because at the end of the day EA don't care what Joe or any fans think, they just want dollars and euros, period.

[@Branded.Schnoz]

"Durr we want people to keep playing for a long time, so loot boxes." My guy. Do you know how fucking long people played games like Call of Duty 4, or Halo 3, games that didn't have any micro-transactions? To put things in perspective, *those communities are still around.* It's really quite simple -- make games that are GOOD, and people will play them for a long time. A game's quality should speak for itself, and it shouldn't need to have bullshit stuffed into it to artificially create longevity. Conversely, if a game is bad, it's bad. Releasing it in such a state and then saying, "don't worry Joe, we'll address some of those concerns POST-launch!" is ridiculous. If EA's that worried, maybe they should delay the game's release instead of putting out an inferior product in time for the fucking holiday season. Games like Persona 5 and Breath of the Wild were delayed multiple times to make sure the quality was there, AT RELEASE, and you know what? Those are damn near *perfect* games.

[@DirEnGay]

Those games that you mentioned have paid DLC by the way. People still do play them, but then again people still play just about every game. The only difference is how many people quit before a DLC was released and didn't justify paying for it? In this game all future DLC is free so people who play casually or get bored can come back to the game when new free DLC is released. I basically do this right now on Overwatch. I get bored and quit for a month or two then a new map or character comes out and I come back. As for the lootboxes, they ain't an issue if you play the game you get them for free. People crying over them haven't figured out how easy they are to unlock without spending any real money...

[@Branded.Schnoz]

Paid DLC, e.g. map packs that have nothing to do with player progression, are not at all the same thing as lootboxes. I'm not sure if you watched this video, or the rant that preceded it, but Joe broke it down pretty clearly: yes, you will _eventually_ unlock things for free in this game, but it will take you *hundreds* of hours to get it all. Why? So that you buy the lootboxes instead. I'm glad you've apparently "figured out" how to get around this problem in a game that hasn't actually been released yet, but I don't know what your point is here. The promise of free DLC in the future is empty, it means nothing. It's only happening because they've found a logical progression for their greed. Unlike new maps, these lootboxes are inherently tied to progression, they affect gameplay significantly. EA doesn't _need_ to charge for DLC anymore, see? This is a much, much better scam

[@Bazonkaz]

DLC and lootboxes are two completely different things.

[@Nintendan95]

Exactly this. And damn I miss Halo 3. Loot boxes will never equal more game time. I can put more time into Super Metroid than most games today because its so repayable with all the sequence breaks, clean fluid movement, awesome atmosphere and music. These things don't matter anymore. So sad.

[@randomhiphop5055]

Jeremy Vagrant seriously. Im fucking sick of playing games i played ten years ago!!

[@TheNzFox]

every single one of these 'reasons' for needing the lootboxes, other games have solved for years without them.....

[@jamesbomb7584]

Lootboxes are BULLSHIT & DIRTY GREED.

[@steeldragon5730]

I hate lootboxes, let that be known now BUT don't forget, to get these better graphics, and other things require better technology, better technology requires lots of $$$ that is not including the time it takes to make to. so lootboxes help to better cover that cost because the cost to make games keeps going up yet they HAVE NOT increased the 60$ price tag over the years. BUT I hate the whole money=gameplay I think that it SHOULD BE PURELY COSMETIC like OW lootboxes, their system is good where duplicates give you currency to buy the things you want and etc. lootboxes that give weapons like Halo 5 req system, this, SoW their lootboxes are shitty and all around greed, lootboxes that are centered around emotes or PURELY cosmetic then they are fine

[@TheDyingScotsman]

Ummm they already earn their money 10 fold from sales and would get more sales without the lootboxes. So no. Complete and utter fallacy, Steel Dragon

[@thecopercoper5533]

Steel Dragon STOP IT! Stop this bullshit argument, ffs. Look at EA, Ubisoft, Activision etc profits. Not sales, but pure profits, and tell me that they need to "cover the costs".

[@sugar5374]

Steel Dragon That's entirely wrong. They already earn enough to profit from sales alone. Not much but enough for anybody taking part in the project. With classic Microtransctions the Publishers in their business suits earn more. With Lootboxes that's a whole other story. The filthy businessmen get rich. Not the Developers. Most of them had their own engine and get forced to use a certain Engine from the Publisher. Right now the Development cost of anything game related is low, the lowest it ever was.

[@Ghoster00000]

- AAA full price game - (micro)transactions Don't need to know more.

[@buuuba7022]

Roman Kopp you fuckin guys were against season passes so micro transaction is the only thing to do there. Also are we forgetting there are games that cost money, have dlc, micro transactions AND monthly fees like WoW?! Why is everyone targeting EA for battlefront 2 jfc

[@ApexJaggi]

Because EA is leading the charge in a lot of shitty business practices for games that only last 1-2 years.

[@theshapetv9203]

Burak Crystal are you stupid?

[@personalspace6270]

Burak Crystal Im against crappy DLC if you get a seasonpass tell us what we get with the pass. Yeah i want to know what i get for my money with DLC. Thats the problem also keep out progression out of the DLC and no endings as DLC or competitive extra's for the payers. I never had a problem paying for DLC just make it worth the money. Witcher 3, Horizon, Monster Hunter World is how to go at it. 😉 But these companies go for maximum with minimum effort. 🤑🤑🤑🤑🤑 Thats what these companies go for i dont want to gamble for DLC the same goes for Overwatch yes i would pay a reasonable amount of cash for cosmetic skins.

[@Tomn8er]

I love Star Wars but these new Battlefront games are a total joke and a perfect embodiment of what's wrong with modern day gaming. Shiny beautifully polished products with amazing production values but no depth whatsoever, no soul, just an empty shell inflated by corporate greed. BDobbins called Destiny the Kim Kardashian of video games for a similar reason but at least Destiny had some genuinely good shooting mechanics, Battlefront doesn't even have that!

[@captaindestruction9332]

Correction "Whats wrong with modern "major triple A" gaming" The Indie gaming scene is doing extremely well and is actually IMO the saving grace of the industry. Modern day gaming may focus more on shit but there are devs/companies out there creating amazing experiences and at a franction of the cost of these big name games/franchises.

[@jordyturnstyle5230]

Artem T-rex arms Lobov well said

[@orkhepaj]

maybe stop buying them and spend your money on not shiny games which are actually good

[@Tomn8er]

Zag Zagzag who said I bought them? Played the last one at a friend's and was bored after a couple hours, would never buy this garbage even if it went on sale

[@orkhepaj]

good , btw you friend neighter should buy it

[@CriticalNobody]

Remove loot boxes from the game entirely. In fact, remove them from every game EA makes. Let's see them take that feedback into account

[@coletrainhetrick]

Critical Nobody loot boxes can work as proven by rainbow six siege. All you have to do is make them not cost real money

[@TheChewy92]

I agree with the no real money bit. This game is going to suck ass, I will not buy it until it's $30 or less.

[@Kicktugo55]

Then be prepared for a price increase on games overall, that is the harsh truth.

[@volltern]

Critical Nobody (After loot box removal) Hey, where’s the update? Is there any DLC coming out? How long will they release some new content?

[@megaton_a]

Everyone bitches about microtransactions, yet these companies make billions from them every year. People can bitch and moan about them all day, but until we stop buying them they're not going anywhere.

[@zamanalankasit9347]

"Awesome progression lootboxes!" -said no gamer ever.

[@dimitri-petrenko]

But why is this still being put in games? Seems that 'gamers' are still buying them.

[@aceclover758]

Cuz majority of gamers these days are ignorant and grew up thinking lootboxes, paywalls and mobile game practices in Triple A games are normal

[@Dakarn]

Dimitri Petrenko "Competitive" gamers that think that if they DON'T buy the loot crates, they will "fall behind" the "competition." The "competition" are the Saudi Princes and their kids who are so fucking rich, they use money as toilet paper, and couldn't care less how much money they spend on loot crates.

[@kasperplayer]

Dog you have me dying 😂

[@jgtogi6839]

His argument for loot boxes are that they allow for progression. Like we can't have a varied progression system without loot boxes. lol what.

[@biohyde6039]

Why is that guy wearing a hat, is it that cold inside his office? Perhaps EA had to cut on utilities cost since the loot boxes don't sell...

[@zanesmith3728]

BioHyde burn lol

[@biohyde6039]

They could use some fire in the office

[@SeanSnyder1993]

I don't think that's it, I just think he hasn't gotten indoor heating from the loot boxes he's already purchased. But maybe the next one? Who knows? He'll just have to buy one and hope for the best.

[@Fulgrim_The_Phoenician]

you would say that it would pretty warm overthere with all them pants being on fire...

[@JohnAcey]

uve never seen people wearing hats inside just for style or fashion? hmm.... interesting.

[@badmrfrosty1511]

Let's be honest with ourselves. We want to believe that they will listen, time and time again we will convince ourselves maybe this time around they will. I can see some minor things changing, but in the bigger picture it's going to boil down to the big wigs calling the shots. Their seemingly bottomless pockets will ruin our games and force us to cringe at playing games we want to love. I understand as much as anyone people need to make money but when is it ever enough.

[@WaryObserver]

The only thing i see that can and probably should happen is, people stop buying, game sells low and repeat this over and over on such games, even if it means sacrificing franchises and game studios, don't give it a chance simply.

[@badmrfrosty1511]

I have one last thing to say about it. Prove it. You say you talk the talk.. let's see you walk the walk. You want our money then earn it as much as we do.

[@khuram789]

It'll be enough when companies stop making tons of money off these shitty practices. I hate this nonsense as much as the next guy, and I make my voice known by not only not rewarding the company for micro transactions and loot boxes, but I flat out will not buy the game at all.

[@memaimu]

Let's say you have a job. Let's say your job is going to offer you more money as well as hundreds of other people in your company. Do you quit?

[@mariotheflower9454]

They listen after they get their money. The most spend on loot boxes and any type of micro-transaction happens at the start of the game from players who are already totally aware of the fact that spending = advantage. They stopped early enough that it makes you question your belief that EA are just in it for the money and get out, but late enough that they got the lion's-share of the money they would've got.

[@mbbm13]

Any game with Loot Boxes should be rated M. It's gambling with real money and minors should NOT be exposed to it.

[@boyishdude1234]

mbbm13 battlefront 2 is rated m. Its a fps for crying out loud, lol.

[@Antiformed]

Get iPads OUT of kids hands

[@mbbm13]

I said "ANY" game with Loot Boxes, not specifically Batttlefront 2. Thanks for the making me lol.

[@instinct2601]

Boyishdude Actually it's rated Teen...

[@Pay2pray]

Actually ratings don't impact anything

[@M0EJ0EKING]

"we want people to play other game modes" *goes plays fighter game mode* *dies by someone with 200% dmg and shield perk* "wow what a friendly and encouraging experience."

[@wanerbdjs]

Moe Joe King preach!

[@user-yt5zw7kw1j]

*Goes into the arcade gamemode* *Wins a few games* *Have to wait 3 hours to get more credits*

[@taylorwardle646]

a great sense of pride and accomplishment

[@solomon8833]

I don't know why in the hell anyone would want to play this game. The more you pay the better competitive edge you have? This is WHY I DON'T PLAY GAMES ON MY FUCKING PHONE.

[@hauntingpie026]

m0t0rcade they got rid of in game purchases

[@Tuco_V.]

It's like an interview with a politician lol

[@CompetitionChris]

Totally

[@Oswin2642]

That is exactly what this was

[@TheOrangeSunsetGaming]

So you NEED to have loot boxes to get rewards? You can't just give rewards by unlocking them by playing like shit loads of other games? I'm not sure I'm getting what he's saying.

[@smurphy55656]

XxJigsaw_GamesxX basicly they could've done this progression system a whole lot better

[@jinchuriki7022]

XxJigsaw_GamesxX me neither

[@smurphy55656]

XxJigsaw_GamesxX how he is explaining this progression is that if you play a lot of a certain class for example the assault and do all the challenges and getting kills you will obtain a supply crate specially for that class that will only give star cards for the assault.

[@smurphy55656]

Grenherb supply drops/crates will be in most games now some games will kill it out for extra cash some games will make it cosmetic only there is nothing we can do about it

[@storminmormn6283]

XxJigsaw_GamesxX that was the best part about CoD weapon skins. Now it's all lootboxes and paid DLC

[@JapanskNinja]

Loot boxes in free to play games are rather amazing. Like League of Legends, it's just skins ("I want to support this game, here's a few bucks for a Disneylookalike-skin"). In a paid title, I will never be ok with it.

[@ancholatrix3444]

JapanskNinja I agree, I dont find nothing wrong with loot boxes in free-to-play games cause the company has to make money somehow and you dont feel cheated, like my favourite game Warframe. Overwatch (a paid game) also have loot boxes but its just cosmetics and again you don't feel cheated.

[@65firered]

JapanskNinja Dauntless got rid of loot boxes in its game and that got the game on a lot of people's map.

[@Aaron_LH]

JapanskNinja Agree 100%. And if the F2P tries some sleezy tactic or makes the game an unbearable grind fest in order to coax people into paying for useless trash, guess what? I just stop playing. No harm no foul. I didn't pay a dime to get in. If your game is good however, and progression is satisfying? Sure. I'll kick you a few bucks for some worthy cosmetics or something of the sort. It's funny how it works out because in a F2P, they have to EARN these MT's. They have to get people hooked on their game. Which means they need to make a fun game. A satisfying game. In full retail games? They don't have to earn shit. People feel like they HAVE to enjoy the game because they paid for it. Which they can't, because the progression system is an absolute SHLOG. A tedious fucking chore. So they run to the marketplace and drop 50 bucks just to try to make it bearable. F2P model for the mafuckin win.

[@jigme5]

JapanskNinja Exactly ! I don't understand why people support these kind of "AAA" games.

[@jepeman]

Gambling is bad, allowing to choose exactly the thing you want to buy, I'm fine with. As long as its cosmetic and not pay to win guns etc.

[@Problica]

Loot boxes keep players around? Really? Because it’s keeping me from even buying the game

[@michaelt3172]

Problica true. Actual progression systems keep people around as they have to play more to get credits to buy the thing that they want. Lootboxes just give you randomized shit

[@Problica]

Michael T if you’ve ever played Halo Reach you know about the immense progression and customization. Halo these days is a bunch of loot boxes too as well as way less customization. Go back to the old systems everybody!!!

[@dekuforone8839]

I'm with you

[@yvettetheefestiveprincess7561]

well it should't

[@darealmephiles]

Problica agreed

[@tonymartos2922]

Wow. Listening to this guy is sickening.

[@BillieSebastian]

it is indeed.. Joe was being too nice to this guys, which I respect.. But I mean comon.. its freaking STAR WARS we're talking about..

[@Angyali]

Just gave the 100. like to your comment.

[@tacticalgeek1722]

Guillermo Del Toro a jew? R u high?

[@JadeEverduske]

He completely dodges Joe's question about loot boxes as expected. A bunch of PR nonsense, as expected.

[@demonlordotrt754]

SerpentGirl21 yep I played a few rounds and I keep finding dam whales that have spent over 200$ it looks! Fucking shills!

[@Fiddlestickz1]

Yeah not surprising, i don't believe anything this paid shill says.

[@toastymcgee9788]

Yup 100%. He even tries to pretend like loot crates are not 100% about making money. "Oh we try to encourage players to use other classes by giving them cards for something they might not otherwise play." Do you think we're fucking stupid? The point of random drops in loot crates is to try to coax us into buying them so we can unlock more shit. Asshole

[@demonlordotrt754]

Jacob Rindfleisch this is why I'll stick with overwatch and Destiny 2 realy the loot you get in the boxes and bright Ingrams don't change nothing but look at me look at me I'm awsome!

[@ONIGMADOSHI]

Yeah. I noticed that too.

[@jRiley101]

"Allows the player to try different things" what a bullshit answer for loot boxes.

[@Shiirow]

people used to try new things because of things you could unlock via playing the game, but they didnt get extra money when they did it that way.

[@emwZEEK]

It does have a bit of truth to it.

[@twistednwarped314]

It's called "power to the excuses".

[@darkescobar13]

Yeah. It makes some sense, but if he told Joe the real reason I'm sure EA would have crucified him. No matter what the ea guy says someone is going to kill him.

[@nilin-o2]

yeah, tricks players to try things they don't want to do and slows down things they want to do... thats what it is

[@kameskonahkamseon6540]

You know EA probably had 10 guys with machine guns surrounding him off frame of the camera

[@jyudat4433]

Facts!

[@Battleguild]

Kames Konah Kamseon Who needs guns, when a signature on a dotted line is enough to destroy his career and currently sustained lifestyle?

[@Sr_Bigote.]

yhea

[@DGMHERO]

Probably reading from a teleprompter.

[@benofblades15]

Don’t by EA games. Problem solved

[@sergiogaribayluna1423]

Pirates m8

[@imechro7468]

I made it 11 minutes in and I could no longer handle Paul's bullshit.

[@ReachStudioPro]

When I saw Joe was talking to a person from EA or DICE, doesn't matter, I paused the video immediately. There is no way I'm watching this shit. I know exactly how it's gonna play out and judging by the comments I'm right. If all of you knew how EA works in the background like I do EA would be destroyed and that is not an exaggeration. I can tell you some of it. In the background EA calculates how far they can go with this bullshit strategy and based on that they account for how many people will get pissed off and not buy the game. Those are the people EA sacrifice on purpose. Those people are not their focus. After that they account for how many people will stay and how many will likely be a "whaler", a piece of shit person who loves to "Pay to Win", spend money on their game. That's how they work. If too many people get pissed off they use their BACKUP PLAN! Noticed how quickly they went "Oh! We listened so we decreased the costs of heroes by 75%" but they also quietly decreased 75% on the amount of credits you earn in matches and campaign. Even put a limit on how much you can earn in the arcade mode. They also TEMPORARILY removed lootboxes to "fix" them. We all know it's not gonna be fixed. This shit needs to be illegal. Technically it already is because the game uses a form of gambling and the game is being advertised to children and the game encourages you to put money into this gambling machine. It is fucking illegal. There is currently an investigation to see if this shit really is a form of gamble, which it is and if it get classified as gamble it will be *BANNED* in the entire Europe. I hope this happens. It needs to happen for the gaming industry's sake.

[@edgepixel8467]

And Joe is going soft on the scumbag

[@dtee645]

"The fans told us they want lootboxes".. GTF OUTTA HERE

[@Antiformed]

He is probably referring to the focus group retards who are only there because "OH YEAH I FUCKING LOVE STAR WARS!! XDXD"

[@karlnaumann9370]

You'd be surprised...On r/xboxone there was a dude who was happy he was able to buy the loot boxes in the EA Access trial... Needless to say I was shaking my head

[@twistednwarped314]

The ptw players are fucking everyone else and are happy about it. Cause they feel good about paying extra money to beat others in a game w/o skill.

[@jeremymariotti8280]

Dylan Trenhaile technicly yeah people wanted to get rid of season pass so thats the trade we have and in my opion I prefer lootboxes over season pass

[@ComradeCage]

Yeah, the focus group that's never accurate whatsoever, they just get a group of numpties together that never say what the actual majority wants.

[@DaTurdburglar]

Hey Joe how does it feel for a Dev to straight up lie to your face about some of the stuff you talked to him about?

[@bluesrocker91]

Ah don't be so harsh... Corporate Commander is just off camera pointing a gun at the guy's head.

[@Wreck_RS]

The Paranoid Blues Man hats off to you what a brilliant comment

[@hazardous8301]

Not saying he didn't at all just wondering what he was supposed to be lying about?

[@xxxshowxxxstopperxxx]

What did he like about?

[@DaTurdburglar]

Hazardous the dev told joe that the better players will be quicker at ending the game and playing objectives. So according to the dev the quicker the game ends the more games you can put in and get more credits. This isnt true because the longer you are in a game the more credits you get. Jackfrags tested it out. He beasted a game and got 200 credits. Next game he sat around and died a shit ton of times and got 300 credits because the game was longer

[@chrisd6736]

Props to this guy for trying his best to defend his shitty company's tactics. Everyone knows these business practices are pure evil and prey on people prone to addiction. I refuse to buy any game with a pay to win model. You should too!

[@NYGiantsfan1029]

+ Chris D part of me feels bad for who companies throw out there to try spin the BS. I mean these people are put into bad spots because there are no excuses for it but unless they want to be fired they have to try but still the shit eating grin on this dude's face for pretty much the whole video tells me gamers are going to get fucked one way or another with this game.

[@X_Dullahan_X]

Joe:Can you tell me the reason for the lootboxes to be in the game? EA guy: Money Joe: Yeah, but, is there any mechanics related reason? EA guy: yeah,money Joe: do you have any idea what is this video about? EA guy:...money?

[@dark_lord_0169]

I only care about the mahney!

[@XxLordDaegonxX]

Lmfao!

[@Shmozone]

EA is Mr Crabs

[@marioparnass6152]

The sad thing is that it wouldn't made that much of a different in the grand scheme of things, the mass consumer would still buy the game no matter what.

[@kiryuukazuma04]

EA guy: So, you're gonna buy our game(and loot boxes)?Me: No, I'm gonna pirate that shit.

[@Craul08]

lol that was total damage control and they will ignore all of it.

[@MrBraffZachlin]

HE OUTRIGHT SAID THEY ARE IGNORING ALL OF IT

[@luciano9755]

Honestly, he just keeps talking but it all sounds like excuses to me.

[@jamesbomb7584]

He says that lootboxes offer new opportunities to play, but why does it have to cost money? The EA guy is just talking bullshit.

[@stitchowi]

James Bomb BECAUSE THEY NEED TO MAKE FUCKIKG MONEY BECAUSE OF LOOT BOXES WE HAVE FREE CONTENT

[@jamesbomb7584]

Stitchowi The game would print money without lootboxes. In the end of the day its all just dirty greed.

[@sloth3440]

Stitchowi Other games have dat without loot boxes

[@sugar5374]

Stitchowi Wait how does Warframe do it then? It has no retail price and releases free updates. Could it be that they aren't as greedy as the EA folcks?

[@SilliestGoober999]

Why....its necessary??....haha....Joe....Joe....you should have literally cussed him out....because nothing has changed and its still pay to win.

[@zaidabraham7310]

Core Chara No. You do not win an argument by cussing someone out

[@HIPEOPLE1887]

Core Chara not unless he wants to interview more people

[@solitonmedic]

Core Chara You may know Joe for cussing, but he's still known as a professional outside his craft. You can't really cuss out as a professional.

[@tikktokk1145]

why not? the president does. and he is considered a "professional" by some(not me, always thought he was a giant douche). I agree with you, but realistically, assholes get ahead in this world. it isn't right, but it is reality.

[@Khether0001]

okay... I couldn't go past the bullshit justification for loot boxes, sorry man... no, really.... no.

[@jamesbomb7584]

The EA guy is full of shit. AJ should have asked him "WHY DOES IT NEED TO COST ACTUAL MONEY?"

[@JustinBaiThechickennuggetman]

You do realize that a game as big and glamorous as battlefront 2 would need a SHIT load of money.

[@kyleedwards6026]

desertfox_JY if they can't make back they're money from sales alone then they're game is shit

[@kyleedwards6026]

desertfox_JY destiny 2 had a $500,000 budget and made that back in the first week on sales alone

[@sugar5374]

Kyle Edwards It had a bigger budget, including PR etc. They still made it back in a week.

[@joshuak5798]

Gives players options? No. It limits players, it shouldn't be tied to progression. As soon as Joe asked why Loot boxes should be in the game, all I heard was stuttering and answers to questions except the one that was asked. People pick a particular path in games, why? Because they paid 60 fucking dollars for it, they can take whatever path they want - this whole Loot boxes help players keep playing is bullshit. Great gameplay, a great community and great, competent devs make a game replayable. Not fucking loot cards. The fact he dances around the P2W problems and the fact that loot boxes are entirely corporate. It's disgusting, you're targeting vulnerable people to gambling with their money or just relying on people who don't care paying, either way - take a look at yourselves in the mirror. Good on Joe for hammering home the questions about the micro-transactions whilst refusing to let them slide round - I wouldn't be surprised if the poor bastard he was interviewing had an EA lapdog pointing a gun at his head.

[@BigBadLenn]

It's funny when a game like Warframe is free to play and it's not pay to win, and an AAA paid game is.

[@simonjeremy1776]

Yall acting like you're forced to pay money for loot crates

[@sugar5374]

hiroy_raind Considering it's a F2P game and the system is still better than most Triple A games systems speaks for itself. Also it's not pay2win. What are you winning? Winning against bosses? Nobody cares about that. It doesn't hurt anyone in the Community.

[@WushuKnight19]

Not forced. Pressured. The progression system is only tied around loot boxes instead of natural leveling. Those who don't pay for the loot boxes will be at a disadvantage to those that do.

[@KakashiHatake-sv1vb]

For one, WF is free and not 60 bucks. Secondly, who are you gaining an advantage over? The AI? Yeah I'm sure they're mighty upset about it. Players in Conclave? Gear and frames are put on a level playing field. This "argument" is weak.

[@Yeldibus]

That try at damage control backfired hard. Notanswering a single question legitimately was a bad move even from a marketing perspective. Gamers aren't THAT stupid.

[@twixdakat1135]

Yeld i like ur avatar... thats all i wanna say.

[@steel2572]

GreenLanternSalem I dont think those kinds of players are gonna be watching a video like this anyways.

[@RokushoTheRavager]

Contrary to popular belief, a good majority are not and will act accordingly to unite against cancerous practices that need to die.

[@HoboTango]

ShadowWarrior42 : Its nice to dream isnt.

[@andrewclarke2533]

Yes, they are. "Gamers" are the stupidest consumers in existence. Look at Bethesda-people have supported them endlessly despite them being literally EA levels of shitty. Gamers are retards, this game will be a massive success, pretending otherwise is naive and insane.

[@bannisher]

Perfect sterile corporate dribble

[@ssjautobot]

If this guy wanted to be honest he should have said “because we want to make all the money. We figured out how to legalize gambling towards kids and we want to make all the money in the world”

[@MasterJazz09]

SSJAUTOBOT kids shouldxxn't be playing m rated games in the first place they also dont have all the funds in the world there parents do they are partly to blame

[@darencolby1916]

You are completely missing the point. Frankly, I think "gambling" (which it's not) in a RATED M game is fine. Kids shouldn't even be playing this and if they are, they shouldn't have a way to actually purchase

[@xplod012]

Daren Colby It is gambling, what do u understand for gambling? U place an amount of money and get a random reward. Dindt like It? Put more money in. It is gambling

[@xmikex902x]

Yeah there are some very convenient talking points that enable them to dance around the issue and act like they’re helping. Sort of like what I see happening with Activision’s new system, they’ll be able to say they’re looking at individual’s data to better tailor the game to our style/skill level/etc., but in reality they’ll be using it to try to get us to spend more on MTs (E.g. actually have beginners play against advanced players with better guns so they want to go get those better guns).

[@gazawhizz1489]

SSJAUTOBOT They might as well there not being subtle anymore with this bs

[@motionwindart]

NO gamer enjoys loot boxes PERIOD

[@lISamuraill]

the sheep does XD

[@liquidacid1983]

Given how insanely profitable they are I'd wager you are wrong.

[@gwenwalravens8030]

Insanely profitable according to who? And have they released the info from a credible source? Also what is profitable? If every gamer puts in another $5, is that considered enough to be profitable?

[@slice3528]

According to Gaben

[@FlightX101]

According to just about every publisher ever?. It clearly works......otherwise it would have died out years ago

[@frankwest-icoveredwars9314]

People play games longer if its fun not because of loot boxes.

[@kelevra148]

Frank West - I Covered Wars exactly but they pay only once and not over time more.

[@slobiden.2593]

Frank West - I Covered Wars I’ve played about 1000 hours in TitanFall 2. I’ve prestiged 15 Times and i don’t gain anything when I finish a game. I ply the game because I enjoy the game. Multiplayer worked before loot boxes. It’ll work after.

[@zengara11]

I dont know, you have to remember that this is gaming so not as easy to gain real data on each persons thoughts on a game. Though I will say, it would not surprise me if a bigger portion of the player base does decide to play for a longer period than normal, because of how they set up the progression system. For example: Last of Us had an amazing multiplayer game mode, literally on pair with other games that solely have multiplayer without a single player, yet the population in there did not have as many as other games.

[@TheNerdDojo]

Frank West - I Covered Wars if loot boxes are not bad and the game is also fun Ex: overwatch Then loot boxes do make a game more replay able.

[@greenpigking6974]

Frank West - I Covered Wars but ear able loot boxes that are actually cool keep me engaged.

[@tygrahof9268]

How long to unlock everything? Forrreeevvveeerrrrrrrr......

[@jaybox2501]

Loot skywalker

[@KILLtrOTTcity]

JAY BOX underrated comment! 😂

[@greengoombastomper]

JAY BOX "Loot! Looot! LOOOOOOOOT!" - Uncle Owen

[@theocratickingdom30]

😂😂😂😂

[@louisvuitton56]

JAY BOX, love it

[@martinivanov1319]

ahahahahhahaahhaa

[@doclank3d6]

He sounds like EA has a gun pointed at his head off screen.

[@Knight-eo7xv]

And a switch to set of the gernade next to his kids

[@koma9sensey]

More like a Death Star pointed on the studio. Just like Viceral.

[@nobodyhere3983]

the gun is pointed at his job more likely

[@nurospy1235]

TheDescipable Knight kid you can't even spell "gernade" 😂

[@nobodyhere3983]

koma9sensey feelsbad ;(

[@MichaelDATWOPLY]

This EA Dice Producer was awesome!! He was like Neo from the Matrix dodging bullets when those questions kept flying at him.

[@estebanr979]

Michael DA TWOPLY you make my day ! lmao

[@mikemeritd1]

Beautiful

[@Hungrybird474]

Lol

[@Miguel-od6yp]

LMAO nice dude..

[@aj5820]

You sir are amazing. That was like poetry

[@aiyachristian]

This was hard to watch. I wanted Joe to cuss this dude out so bad hahahaha

[@internziko]

he actually said "we listened to beta players" I highly doubt any of those beta players said "THIS GAME NEEDS PAY TO WIN LOOT BOXES!"

[@Lukitas3607]

its not p2w they changed it

[@Matt-uk7zq]

How do you know they are pay to win? Have you encountered someone who has bought them and had an advantage? No. Fucking spewing out false information. Disgusting

[@Alckee]

paul Z Except it wasnt pay to win. Its pay for a CHANCE to get something you MAY or MAY not like that WILL get EVENTUALLY NERFED.

[@tonysiouxfan]

DonkeyHub YT False information, are you really this dense? Do you need a step by step breakdown of why the system is pay to win? Do you need step by step manuals for basic math as well? Progression is still tied to loot boxes and star cards, it's not rocket science.

[@tonysiouxfan]

Garrett Howard Yeah, so the person that spends more money on loot boxes gets more chances than those who don't. It's really not hard to figure out how it's pay to win. You can buy loot boxes which gives you progression, which in turn grants gameplay advantages. If that's not pay to win please explain how it isn't, I'll wait.

[@josuecervantes5592]

Shouldn't loot boxes just be for emotes and skins? Not for things that are for gameplay

[@rickylovesyou9063]

Josue Cervantes not EA. For EA games it's money = skill. More money U pay the more u feel the satisfaction of winning or getting better, it's gambling.

[@Jonas-ob2sh]

Skins and emotes used to be basic things that came with full priced game, so I don't like to see them in lootboxes either.

[@bloodcards3084]

No you should unlock them via achievements.

[@bgaxl6755]

i should be like the overwatch boxes

[@TheFurryFox5]

Even skins, even emotes ARE a part of gameplay, they are cosmetics, yes. But cosmetics are also an essential part of gameplay and progression. RPG games wouldn't do that otherwise. Overwatch lootbox system is not perfect or good. Period.

[@DavidM_10]

Great interview, Joe. You were polite, but you were honest and you didn't shy away from the serious issues.

[@OvAeons]

so what EA is selling an 80$ (CAD) participation trophy?

[@themememan361]

Thank you, Paul Keslin! Your BS just helped me save some money! :)

[@gunnermac3570]

Definitely not getting the game now.

[@zaam231]

XD

[@Westchemes]

I definitely feel bad for Paul, EA is forcing him to answer the way he is. Almost every question was answered with "well again were trying to listen to the fans more and were gonna work with them to hopefully make this a better game" which obviously isn't true because they're not listening to the fans.

[@AhNobody]

Westcheme W EA holds too much power

[@BrokynDehgital]

I wonder how much EA pays their scapegoats?

[@chacazulo1987]

Westcheme W he has a job to keep, EA is the real villain here, all those executives people high up in the company.

[@patrickravn4948]

Uhhhh what do you mean they are not listening to the fans? They changed loot boxes, they gave us clone wars, they gave us much more content at launch and you probably didn't know this but back in Battlefront 2015 they got much negativity for adding stormtroopers without helmets so later down the road they removed it

[@Westchemes]

Angel Vazquez - Oh wow, didn't realise that thanks for the info. If that's true then I definitely don't feel bad anymore.

[@TevyaSmolka]

After what happened to visceral games I am not happy

[@Alexthelion93]

Yeah, where's my next Dead Space game?!

[@rlpaterson9]

Tevya Smolka a Star Wars game that looked so good! But apparently we all want micro transactions and meaningless loot boxes. Such bs

[@Rune77]

Robert Paterson a dev said the game was failing badly and there was trouble in the office but still pissed they are changing it completely into a destiny Star Wars game with obviously loot crate systems.

[@unboundchart3115]

Yeah some of them moved on to Call of Duty World War 2 Nazi zombie's

[@unboundchart3115]

Alex Lion some of them moved on to call of duty world war 2 Nazi zombie's

[@accordiontv1]

Is that dude wearing a fake plastic nose attached to glasses like the Marx brothers gag?

[@Verystoic]

Ann Droid he keeps fixing his glasses pretty damn excessively lol

[@damnlogin]

I was wondering the same thing lol

[@Safarispartan]

I say boycott EA until they change their business practices, they straight up lied about fixing the loot crate progression system... :(

[@whatfreedom7]

Safarispartan they just bought out another game company to do the same shit. Can’t remember who it was.

[@CyrusHalcyon]

Titan Fall. The game that did it right. You know because if you want to pretend that you are doing it right, you can't have someone else doing it better.

[@allendalephillips]

Safarispartan Activision and Bungie straight up lied twice about xp gain in Destiny. I am done pre ordering games. I will now wait until they come out for a few months and see what the greed factor is.

[@whatfreedom7]

ADP2 you should wait. You should also give them time to see if they change anything. They can destroy a game with updates if they want. Theirs too much nerfing going on in gaming today to pre order for me and if people are screaming nerd right out the gate I won’t even get the game.

[@misty8952]

EA will never change. The only way is to let them die without our money. There will be a lot of good people freed from them - I mean from the companies they killed. With a little luck, they will start their own companies. GOOD companies.

[@leonthesleepy]

Lets not aim the hate at Paul though, remember he's just the spokeperson, not the one dealing out the shitty lootbox practice.

[@Unchainedmaple888]

don't shoot the messenger lol

[@worlddominashungaming9832]

Deej from Bungie gets the same treatment. It's hard for these community managers, even though Paul isn't one, he's probably just the guy that drew the short straw, when the companies they work for make stupid decisions because most of the blame and hate will be thrown at the community managers.

[@Nightmoore]

leonthesleepy No, aim it squarely into his face - especially in this specific interview. He’s representing the Dev team and EA. There’s no reason to pull any punches. This isn’t about hurting somebody’s feelings. It’s about refusing to let $60 games turn into some garbage mobile market filled with Clash of Clans business models. They need to hear that message loud and clear. If he’s going to shoulder the responsibility of interacting with the consumer, then he’s the guy that needs to hear it the loudest.

[@worlddominashungaming9832]

In this case I agree with you, Paul is in a position where he can actually do something with the feedback he gets. Most of the time though its the community managers who get stuck with the brunt of the hate because they are the 'public face of the game' so to speak.

[@ninjapirate47]

Can we dismiss him entirely for choosing to stand there and tell us with a straight face complete and utter falsehoods? I'm sure the guy offscreen with the gun will fire if he doesn't do the interview. Dice, like bioware and other companies chose to get in bed with EA knowing full well what they're like... you'll forgive my lack of sympathy.

[@stevennealsantos]

Straight up no hesitation. Love it. Thanks joe

[@yungpepe8253]

Mad props to Joe on this, not impressed by Paul’s response however

[@kingc8873]

i dislike this interview response es has given and i understand joe being respectful but its disrespectful to sit there and sugar code the fact that the game is and still meant b pay to win. joe should have grill them for that but its cool

[@Whaley96]

yea but what do you expect? He isn't gonna say EA is greedy and was pushing us to put them into the game because I'm sure he likes his job.

[@thedarkapex5327]

Levi Calhoun its not p2w cx you cant buy loot boxess

[@Whaley96]

yea but you have to buy loot boxes to get the crafting points to build in game items which in a way is kinda worse because you cant use the item you just grinded for without first investing more money outside of your $60 purchase because lets be real the grind for getting the loot boxes to get the crafting points is going to be insane.

[@gui3637]

I know this is an old video , I’ve been watching you for a while now and I appreciate everything you alex and other joe do for us gamer but I like to say thank you for always asking the hard question while everyone bends the knee when it gets tough. Again thank you

[@stephenward2743]

Some ''half answers'' for responses but respect to EA Dice for allowing this interview. Hopefully this will become more of a norm in the future.

[@stephenward2743]

ry494 Wasn't planning on buying it anyway, they improved the micro transactions issue but its far from fixed, still not gonna support shitty business practises. I just appreciate the fact that this interview even happened.

[@stephenward2743]

PurpleStorm8 I'll agree its sad that the industry has gotten to this point but either way this is a step in the fight direction which is an encouragment.

[@773superprguy]

When Joe dropped the bomb on this guy, all he could do was back peddle when asked of how much money to craft all the guns. Good job 👏🏼 Joe

[@jackal42069]

Looks like this guy is wearing one of those fake glasses with a nose attached😂

[@eddtheduck2011]

M&N vd N I thought that

[@nicholastruesdell3743]

M&N vd N honestly I seriously believe they told him to wear those and the hat to conceal his identity.

[@danielrosasloza8829]

LMFAO!!!!!!

[@shadyrecords4386]

M&N vd N 🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@8bitArtist]

only listening to this and not watching. scroll through comments, read this, scroll up to the video, start laughing hysterically. thanks.

[@lucaalberticlausen8088]

i feel sad for all the companies EA own especially Bioware. Let them do their own games PLEASE!

[@walterwallman3566]

two words black box

[@REALzackychan]

Gotta get rid of the nasty CEOs first. Right now we got some suits who hate video games but love making money for their business

[@blackkage6954]

Wow Joe is stepping up his game. I honestly like how he is being proactive and talking to the developers. I wish he could do this to Bungie and flame those people.

[@Spartacus4119]

Or even 343 Industries

[@AndrewPagel9628]

After the Destiny Review I highly doubt they'll wanna talk to him XD

[@dhika133]

+Andrew Pagel Joe review battlefront 1 as the worst game of the year,and he still want talk to him like friend

[@blackkage6954]

Greg Rothschilds so true lol

[@smurphy55656]

Blackula 695 the only reason this video exists is because EA agreed to let him talk to joe

[@cb2818]

You are literally THE ONLY game critic with the fortitude to go at the jugular with these devs. THANK YOU JOE! Thank you for using your platform to fight for the consumer. You make our industry better.

[@jarhead22100]

Watch Jim Sterling

[@FNG_Star]

Connor B. While yes he asked the tough questions, he didnt ask tough follow up questions as often. He would ask the tough question then the guy would give the most bullshit covered answer possible, then Joe would basically say "ok agree to disagree" and move on. In the end the guy was actually using Joe's platform to get his bullshit answers out to try and fool whoever might be fooled by his bullshit. If Joe ended the stream with, "the game is bullshit and Im not buying it till you fix the loot box system," then I would jumping up and down like you are.

[@nyjay]

Give credit to YongYea also

[@malachithomas651]

*cough* the black hokage *cough*

[@samsoetenhorst9947]

Connor B. Jsmsns Hoi

[@nogz01]

This is wha happens when a game is NOT made by gamers.

[@paynekiller75]

Vinicius Nogueira Except that we are gamers, idiot.

[@SaintParallax]

BiggSean 66 He’s saying the developers aren’t gamers, because if they were they would know that gamers hate loot boxes...idiot

[@paynekiller75]

Saint Parallax I know, genius. And as a game dev at EA I can tell you he is wrong. Dead wrong. We're all gamers and have great passion about the games we make. The decisions and features you guys don't like are not decisions or features implemented by us - they're implemented by executives and those in upper management.

[@mbr8167]

You're from EA? Hey, thanks for making mediocrity mainstream. Best thing to happen to gaming since gameboy's ET.

[@wuzuppe0ple]

If you are actually a dev, fucking do something! Every new mainstream game has loot boxes now, and when will it stop? When did content become something to dodge? Gamers complain about DLC completing and ruining games, "oh we have free DLC, just pay to win instead!", why does any of this exist at all? Because devs allow it to happen. Is it hard to ask for a full game without pay to win? Apparently yes! League of Legends is completely free to play and is the biggest game of this decade. Clearly Overwatch does well with that system even if I payed them for it, what is so wrong with making THAT the norm?

[@MukuonChannel]

This is like the Dark Souls of interviews. Every question, Paul dodges it like a pro.

[@Tico2858]

4 weapons per class.... isnt that less than half of what each class in battlefield has in the base game before even dlc?

[@rockyr2510]

Not sure on bf1

[@lcc284]

Tico2858 yea even as a guy who doesn't play competitive mp often (just now and then if I'm interested) 4 weapons per class seems low customization or not.

[@weirdeurasianboy8091]

Tico2858 It's even less than what any Call of Duty has in its types of guns. Most CoDs launch with at least five assault rifles, five SMGs, four sniper rifles etc..

[@MrJoshcc600]

Tico2858 nah bf1 has 4 per class disguised as more because "attachments mean different guns" older battlefield had about 10 pet class before dlc, After dlc it was close to 24. Now BF1 after DLC is 6 or 7.

[@ElJags]

Maybe there are not that many types of weapons in the starwars universe? Idk perhaps we/they need someone with that knowledge to explain that

[@TheSkyrimfreak]

He totally dodged the question of "is it a dice or Ea idea to add lootboxes"

[@silentwatcher4883]

He probably couldn't answer. EA would come down on him

[@5sssnakeee3]

Obv he can't answer that question directly.

[@listenersnotes3347]

I don't think he wanted to get fired over a KZbin interview

[@Telris86]

Because even if it is only EA or only DICE he is not allowed to say it or he'll get in a lot of trouble.

[@CommandoMaster]

LOOT BOXES SHOULD ONLY BE COSMETIC!!! ESPECIALLY AFTER YOU PAY $80 FOR THE GAME.

[@Alex-tn7pv]

Corporate commander will never approve it. * sigh *

[@willlloyd1172]

Preach

[@tyrongkojy]

OR give is the game we paid for, including cosmetics? I used to say this, too. My goodwill is gone. This isn't DLC, that's a separate issue. I paid for the game, GIVE ME MY COSTUMES. If I have to grind for an unreasonable amount of time for ANY of this, you failed.

[@StronkiTube]

Even cosmetics can influence a person to start gambling, since a lot is about "looking cool" too in games. Loot boxes should just be rewards.

[@koyutakota7137]

StronkiTube i agree somewhat. If its purely cosmetic im fine with the loot box system as it dosnt effect gameplay. If anything they should keep the loot boxs for cosmetics but rng rewards after matches. The better you do the higher the chance to get somthing good. That way it also encourages players to do better for a better chance at better rewards not only that but they can also lock some rewards behind challenges. So you have something for those who want to look cool, somthing for those who just enjoy playing the game and somthing for those who strive to be the best.

[@NovaNox0475]

Joe should've asked: how do lootboxes fit into the star wars universe?

[@PurplePimp111]

imagine if EA made Star Wars movies and put lootboxes in the canon

[@joemurray]

shows that they respect joe which shows the impact of this channel :)

[@regrep2848]

Joe Murray I feel like it was just a PR move and they don't really care about feedback. Only seeling their slot machine to kids and coming up with half answers to critical questions.

[@thebelt24]

"They respect Joe" lol no he has lots of gamer followers who watch his game reviews, EA only cares about Joe putting positive press out for the game because it's good for business

[@ultrafalcon7502]

Hey Hesse

[@dxp96]

hehe

[@stormygiggns5741]

true honestly if a bad review comes out i wont buy ive been taken quite a few times

[@joemurray]

lol battlefront 2 is awesome but have fucked it up on so many levels and good on joe for voicing it

[@andystevenson7175]

Joe Murray Then it's obviously not awsome...wtf

[@austincornett5680]

andy stevenson the gameplay is awesome but the implementations of progression system are not very good.

[@lastdefenderofxhotl]

Austin Cornett Yeah they're definitely not good but they are bearable. In my opinion at least I'm definitely not happy as EA is definitely pushing as hard as they can without breaking the game.

[@FishoD]

By buying it you show EA that you support barely finished games with little to no content and pay to win lootboxes. GG, you're ruining the gaming industry for the rest of us.

[@fjparasitemoreira1354]

I will never suport pay to win. What is the point of a game where you start at a high level and are already better than everybody just because you gave an extra 100 bucks? Games are games. Gambling is gambling. I want CONTENT in games. Not a Give me muney mentality...

[@Krytern]

Remember Joe pointed out that the guy used to be part of marketing? That is why they sent him to talk to Joe. Because he is a marketing guy. This wasn't them trying to say they are listening and engaging with us this is them doing a PR move to try and damage control.

[@yayayayayaya8140]

Krytern UK while this could be true, joe has interviewed the devs before so its not really as setup as you think

[@lcc284]

a person I also think whether Pr control or not. To me shows that companies like EA are accepting KZbinrs like Joe have a voice that it growing in the industry and have influence on their games.

[@aclydefrog7886]

lcc284 dude....are you dense? All it shows is they get free advertising to Joe's millions of subs. EA is coming with 'good news' so this move will do nothing but boost sales. Use your head

[@tonysiouxfan]

Steven Venn True this was a PR stunt, but you can tell by the comments section that it back fired. I mean the guy tried to argue that loot boxes allow people to try different classes, I mean it's so illogical it's mind boggling.

[@Matt-uk7zq]

Tony Schmid because they do. If I was a good assault, but I wouldn't realize how much of a better heavy I was, I would stay assault and not go out of my comfort zone because I only unlock assault kits. Loot boxes make people think that whatever they get for a certain hero might be better than what they already use. It helps spread diversity.

[@djlemut]

CD Projekt RED should be doing this game.

[@Rune77]

Gabriel Lemut but I don't want to wait 8 years for a new game from them.

[@walterwallman3566]

they are the AAA studio who have games feeling like indie games and thats awesome

[@cryingwithrage]

I think our boi respawn is making a star wars game.

[@kennyomega5136]

Rune But I rather have a fantastic game other than a micro transactions pay to win game.

[@UnrestingSpirit]

This sure didn't age well lol

[@Shahan777B]

Is this suppose to make me excited for the game? coz I feel more disappointed now

[@Shiirow]

Its supposed to convince you to buy the game and a mountain of lootboxes, but in reality its doing quite the opposite

[@Anders4Anders]

Congratulations, you are one of the few % who gets it. Sadly, dumb people vastly outnumber the common to smart people. so this will probably make the game sell more....

[@pitfallharry5257]

Shiirow how? I was getting it anyway cause I loved Star Wars and I loved the beta and it's not pay to win

[@Alucard66696]

It has the name Star Wars if it sucks or not it will sell, Star Wars is the most profitable franchise in the damn universe. They could make the single player 1 hour long and lunch with 2 maps and it would still sell like crazy. It’s sad because nobody puts effort in making a good Star Wars game anymore. Instead we have half ass games with loot boxes. Because sadly it works for them. And rehashed new movies.

[@christwoodyhussar6336]

The generic lack of creativity, coupled with the micro transactions, and further exacerbated by the growing sizes of American AAA titles, for the sake of pushing only graphics is a lose lose. Games cost more to make, and they don't make new engines like they used to so we get recycled garbage all the time especially in FPShooter, and they pass the losses to the customer, while giving us an inferior product. Fuck you EA!!!

[@ContemporaryFaith]

Damn this guy's good. Ducking, strafing, mashing jump, doing everything he could NOT TO ACTUALLY ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. Great questions by the way. Extremely honest, as always

[@Rose_D]

ASMR .Connection he’d probably get his ass reamed by EA if he was honest. I feel bad for devs bound by an oath from greedy corporate publishers like EA. It’s difficult when you’re working for anybody actually cause you can’t be totally honest either way otherwise you’re looking at being fired on the spot. If anything the devs working on battlefront don’t deserve the blame, it’s upper management for sure.

[@jimbabwe8070]

Yeah I feel bad for the developers they get so much shit for something they can't control if they still want their jobs

[@rickylovesyou9063]

It's gambling plain and simple and until some politician or watchdog comes in and starts making noise and taking down muthafuckas, the shit won't change. Until we call this for what it is, gambling, then we can start to get people with power to regulate it. We cannot have gambling in games (essentially what every EA is all about now) that will be bought for and played by a huge majority of underage gamers. We need a gaming equivalent of Al Gore to keep these shady practices and bad ethics in check.

[@Learning2BeBrave]

A hypocrite voicing our opinions (skewed as well)? I'll take a guy like Rand Paul instead.

[@510bruh2]

Learning2BeBrave lol what the fuck are you talking about

[@Soukl]

Ricky Loves You as much as I want that to be the case, I just don’t want the same people that think games influence people to be violent to be the ones that we are at the mercy of

[@blackdahliagaming4696]

Ricky Loves You see I agree and was just recently debating with some friends about the legality of these micro transactions for games. especially because kids play these games and a lot of their parents let them use their credit cards. really it's worse than gambling because while you technically win every time. Your winning a bunch of 1's and 0's where in real gambling there's a chance you can spend money and then win real money. On the other hand most of the games with these micro transactions are usually rated 18+ so really the only people who should be gambling (at least where I'm from in canada) are of legal age. (probably wrong on that as there are probably games rated E that have microtransaction as well I wouldn't doubt it) in the US its a different story but in both situations of course kids get their hands on these games because most parents buy them for their kids because they believe as I do, that there is no correlation between videogame violence and real world violence. I've played violent games since I was 6 or 7 years old used to watch my brother play resident evil and silent hill I used to play GTA all the time and even though I've been told I look very intimidating I'm actually scared of confrontation I'm so passive when I go to a restaurant and order food and they bring me the complete wrong order I just say thanks and eat it anyways cuz I don't wanna make a fuss. one of my biggest fears is if I ever got in a fight with someone and I ended up hurting them I would be racked with guilt. even though I spend hours running over pedestrians and shooting innocent civilians in GTA games. Tangent aside the reason games are allowed to put gambling into these games is partially because its not quite gambling (i think its worse in my opinion) but like i said earlier gambling you can lose everything and have nothing to show for it or you could double or triple your money where as these micro transactions you "win" everytime. The loot boxes could be equated to those suprised bags they used to sell in convenience stores (i think they still do sell them) your buying something that's 1.99 and you don't know what's in it, but there's a select variety of things in there for sure. maybe things you want, maybe things you don't so it's the same concept. As a kid I would buy one and it would have a bunch of lame stuff in it, but maybe the next one will be awesome, or the next two, or five, or twenty will have something good in it. It has the exact same endorphin response in your brain as gambling and is just as addictive but with loot boxes you are buying a product that might have something good in it which differentiates it from true gambling. but really, at least the way I see it you lose evertime as what you win is like I said, 1's and 0's and is basically worthless but that fact that along with age restrictions on a lot of these games and that what they're doing isnt technically gambling by legal standards. at the very least no parent should give their kids their credit card info that's just irresponsible parenting and these parents that get mad at companies and game developers about their kids racking up thousands of dollars on their credit cards have no one to blame but themselves for being so careless with their finances. Hell with the way parents are these days and the way banks are with lines of credit. If you have good credit you could end up with a 100,000 dollar line of credit and your kid could bankrupt you in a night since most of the games let you buy something like 1 crate for 1.99 or 20 crates for 35.99 but why not get 100 crates at the low cost of 149.99 some kid could click that button 10 times and boom there goes 1500 dollars in 30 minutes. 1500 dollars on virtual goods that are already worthless but are going to be absolutely useless in less than a year when all the servers are empty because the new battlefront or call of duty or whatever game comes out

[@Roseman12986]

masterof weedpuffin it's rated M for mature. If kids are buying it, it's their stupid fucking parents fault. We do not need politicians regulating video games. It's not going to end the way you think it will.

[@RazorRoses]

nfs payback and star wars best pay2win games of late 2017 xD

[@SavageRicktator]

AcidBurnz Yes EA set the standards really high in 2017 for most hated gaming publisher

[@Verystoic]

AcidBurnz payback hurts my soul....I had some hope in that until I saw the tuning system and the lousy ass story and lame ass characters...well, kinda liked mac.

[@saulgoodwin8328]

thank you for doing this interview

[@koss41]

Saul Goodwin why? It solved nothing and Joe did nothing but brown nose this guy

[@Gannoh]

Joe did nothing to brown-nose the guy, he simply asked tough questions without being too tough as to close future business opportunities. He asked just the right questions so we could come to our own conclusions; just read the fucking comment section and you'll see what I mean.

[@koss41]

Ganno the guy was clearly giving bullshit answers. “We put in loot boxes to entice players to chose a different class”. That is a terrible reason and it was the only one the guy had. Joe did absolutely no digging or further questioning, he just accepted it and said “well loot boxes do keep players going” .. ARE YOU FUCKING SERIOUS JOE?

[@bleachdog5678]

Lol

[@anotherks7297]

koss41 you're being dumb, look at the comments.

[@wafflnator2057]

Just excuses. They are trying to make money, and that makes sense. but this method of tricking people is messed up. It will work on some people, but the point is that it shouldn't be the core of a game. I don't want my full price, full feature game to be a pay to win, or pay to enjoy mobile type game. This is not why i'm a gamer. I will ignore this 100% as opposed to what, for example, Nintendo is doing. where they are killing the market with quality, not quantity. This is Gambling, there is no grey area about it. this is gambling and it's wrong to say it isn't.

[@Habbib]

wafflnator Nintendo will soon enough cross to microtransactions territory, they already have no problems putting Season Passes for every fucking game

[@Krosstic]

wafflnator How exactly are they tricking people?

[@wafflnator2057]

hirotocrash I'll dish hate out towards Nintendo when they deserve it. They have nothing but earn gamers trust. DLC and such things are not the problem, especially when they are on games that people demand more of. But that isnt what this video, or comment is about. If you want to support real money biased gambling to progress in your games, then you have a problem that can't be fixed by a youtube comment.

[@thedarkapex5327]

wafflnator its not even p2w cxx

[@wafflnator2057]

GPJ 8001 you are kidding right? charging people to gamble on the progression of there game seams pretty tricky to me. The illusion that you actually have a chance to get what you want, but it all come down to RNG. that is fucked up. I do not see the debate here.

[@Bigmonongo]

*Battlefront 2 (2005)* Small budget, Cheap engine, Limited hardware *=* Galactic Conquest, Hunt mode, No loot boxes, 36 Maps *Battlefront 2 (2017)* Hollywood budget, Expensive frost bite engine, "Next-gen" hardware *=* No Galactic Conquest, No Hunt mode, Loot boxes, 11 "Planets", 4 Guns per class,

[@Ku5hFi3nd]

BIG, That's the thing in since 2005 the cost to develop a AAA game has gone up so much. As games get better looking and become more technologically advanced you need a bigger team and more money. I still hate it and wish it wasn't implemented but they want to make as much profit as possible so I understand the business decision.

[@DIO-h2q]

This is why indie developers are the new "AAA". Back then they wouldn't stand a chance, now with some limitations, they can give MUCH MORE content than big budget AAA games. Since the development budget is lower, less people are working on them, maybe graphically it won't be impressive by indies, but talent, passion can make those games better and make the developers more lovable, because they sell their games cheaper and usually with a lot more long term support. AAA is about graphics, cut scenes. Secondary thing is gameplay. And the absolute primary is: making lots of money from it. I don't mind if the game doesn't look what it should in 2017 if the gameplay is amazing and fluid and skill based and doesn't try to get more money from you. I played Doom II multiplayer days ago. It was SO GOOD! It felt rewarding and great! And it looks like garbage compared to games nowadays. But it's perfect! Great stuff! And this is how indies do nowadays. Low budget, maybe won't be that impressive looking. But maybe they can compromise it with artistic talent and some unique artistic direction that looks appealing and the game doesn't really need voice acting and other things. And the end result is GREAT!

[@Bigmonongo]

I *ABSOLUTELY* agree, just look at the game "The Last Night" made entirely by 2 people with generous funding from other developers. They made it because they *Wanted* too *&* because they were *Passionate* about it! Like you said. Not because they wanted to throw micro transactions in + $59USD price tag to make a quick buck.

[@darealmephiles]

BIG i agree that this is Fucked Up.

[@iKiwiMetalHead]

BIG So, Do I buy or nahh? Mixed reviews of this.. but I see both sides. Help me out.

[@thegreattimesink8229]

Don't buy any EA games, they are always over priced with half the content, releasing the rest of the game as paid for DLC, then throwing in micro transactions. Don't let them get away with releasing half baked unfinished money grabs they call games. Vote with your $$$. The industry needs a change for the better.

[@khyzan8527]

If a company is too embarrassed to talk about a feature in a game that no one wants, then it SHOULDN'T EVEN BE IN THE GAME!! *ahem-lootcrates*

[@kwen4369]

Look you can't dog DICE out here. I hate loot boxes like these too, but DICE has really tried to push back with against EA as much as they can without getting shutdown. He was embarrassed to talk about them because he doesn't like them as they are, but EA pulls the strings on the loot boxes and I don't think he wants to lose his job

[@northkorea9223]

GoofballPath53 Very intelligently put, people are just mad, and projecting their anger on the producers of the game. We need to vote with our wallets however, and properly focus our anger toward EA. The one responsible.

[@northkorea9223]

Jake Runyan I'll be honest, no, I wouldn't. I would value my artistic integrity more. And I don't believe some of these devs are too happy with these choices they are contractually obligated to make, either. This *is* a business, and businesses have bosses that you bend over backwards for. In this case, it's EA, and thus, they are the ones at fault here, not DICE. DICE has always treated their players fairly, lootboxes and malpractice is not what they are known for in the past. This new lootbox craze is being spear-headed by production heads in companies like EA, in their attempts to normalize it as a service, in order to make more money. The main people I feel bad for, (Besides the consumers being abused) are the devs of the games, whom not only have to make creative sacrifice on their projects due to contractual obligation, but whom also end up being the main source of criticism from the community (Since it's the only face gamers have to identify the issues with). EA is the one making the majority of the dough, and when their OWN forced malpractice starts to ruin a franchise, they simply flush it, instead of handing over complete creative control to the dev teams. This is what's troubling for DICE, the more intervention EA has in their games, the more consumers will get mad, which will then hurt their games, and by extension their company, until they go the way of Visceral Games.

[@Painkiller9015]

Poor dice fuck EA so hard

[@elleonken7599]

So, EA doesn't want players to quit their games early, and in their opinion loot boxes will fix that, how? If anything no one should even touch the thing.

[@umbra9273]

Someone's flashing cash. Must be compensating for something

[@holdtehmayo]

bigevilworldwide1 $200 is all of the money grandma gave you for mowing her lawn this summer. She’d be so disappointed.

[@snazzyfeathers]

If the game is good people will stick around, period.

[@SakuraAvalon]

People with addictive personalities will keep playing, because even if the ESRB wants to deny it, Loot Boxes are gambling.

[@Shibefu]

Because loot boxes no matter what way you spin it is a form of gambling. Gambling is addicting. And addiction is easy to entice and manipulate once drawn in. That’s why people end up staying for the long haul. Collectors, completionists, people who just want the best items they can get, people who like or are trapped by gambling. It’s easy to reel them all in while keeping them there with the steady release of new and better loot. And no I’m not justifying it I’m simply pointing out the shady and messed up business practices.

[@Howler54Z]

"Lootcrates are sometimes a NECESSITY to kind of ALLOW PLAYERS to gain access to..." WHAT THE F ARE YOU EVEN SAYING!? Necessity my ASS.

[@Bova-Fett]

I was thinking that myself... they're a necessity? You mean with a budget the likes of EA and Dice they couldn't even think of another creative way to introduce progression that allows for players with skill to progress at an appropriate rate while still allowing bad players to progress? How about a Steam style market system? Maybe a free loot crate every day, or every level up?

[@GeorgeMonet]

Bane: "Your money has always been the only thing we cared about." John Daggett: "What are you?" Bane: "I'm EA's mouthpiece. Here to end the borrowed time you've all been living on! If you think lootboxes are bad, wait until you see what will replace them in the future!" John Daggett: "You're pure evil!" Bane: "I'm *necessary* evil for the stock holders!"

[@philliparnesen4493]

Frawns I was BEGGING OUT LOUD for Joe to follow up on that comment. "Can you give me an example of the type of content that paid progression loot boxes are necessary to experience?" But I knew he wouldn't do it, too aggressive. Gotta be nice in these types of interviews or you don't get more of them in the future.

[@thestwinner680]

N E C *A S S* I T Y

[@brautigan1]

Tough job, you had there, Joe. I understand access journalism, so I can't blame you for tip toeing a little bit after the responses, but you did ask the tough questions, and your facial expressions after answers were spot on. Good stuff overall.

[@DanSmeed]

I'm calling it. In 10 years Everything will be tied to loot boxes. Weapons, gear, gadgets, items, skills, maps, modes, options, saving, story, DLC, season passes and probably something I missed. It will all be gambled for on apps, which will also cost money. So you will need: Console/PC, display, net, electricity, game, phone which supports apps, company specific app and $50+ to get the game to run at an acceptable level. It sounds crazy now. But look at how far the shady schemes have gone compared to a few years back. We give them an inch, and they take a mile.

[@boredanddangerous3928]

Danne Smith 10 years? You must be a glass half full kinda person

[@pascalviau4016]

at this pace, in 10 years you will have to do blood sacrifice to play the game that only 5% is available without having to purchase dlc

[@maurzstarz3280]

I don’t know about that. In my opinion we are actually starting to slowly get rid of micro transactions thanks to people like Joe who voices his opinion and all of us consumers who see through the lies of the producers. Micro transactions will die and this game with be the start of the end for them as long as we consumers keep working towards it.

[@20DollarGoldPiece]

10 years? At this rate it'll be 5 years!

[@DanSmeed]

TheGamer. One can hope so. Sadly, alot of people must be supporting these practices, considering they're doing them. If the backlash was big enough to drastically lower sales then I'm pretty sure they wouldn't be doing this. Okay, 5 years. Makes sense when I think about it.

[@ataksnajpera]

Pro tip: Never believe guy who wears winter hat indoors!

[@jamcrissabbie7240]

They’re trying to warm up their cold dead hearts

[@adamfogh8693]

Just shows you how expensive game development is these days, can't even afford heating

[@ernjdasdd]

wearing one right now... fml

[@gloriouspurpose_]

Trying to warm up his male pattern baldness

[@thegoblonoid]

To be fair, it's not rare to have a hat inside, when you live in Sweden/Scandinavia.

[@rickypayne5125]

Bro you could tell the whole time that joe was not buying his shit 😂🔥

[@Renegade-Sam]

Ricky Payne dude omfg right!!!

[@reallemon4446]

Lol 😂

[@Sacrilege83]

Tyler D that is the third time I've seen you repeating that comment that I'm starting to wonder if you're an EA plant to attack Joe's credibility among the fanbase. Joe is being diplomatic and welcoming but by no means buying what this PR man is selling.

[@Kalroth]

Great interview Joe! Thanks for always having the gamer's backs :)

[@chrisq6122]

Good work, Joe. Unfortunately you can only get so many answers out of a guy who has EA probably sitting right there off-camera with their hand hovering over an eject button.

[@grunf5604]

The Man lol

[@louisianasportskingoftheba9312]

Best comment.

[@tylerharris9847]

The Man more like hand on a 44. Look at visceral lmfao

[@grunf5604]

GAMERELITE 777 he has to tread lightly, sneaky otherwise nobody would want to have interview with him

[@heilong79]

That is Joe's technique to make the guy he is interviewing feel less pressure and hopefully will open up instead of going on the defensive, if Joe flat out attacks these guys he wont get any more interviews in the future, its just politics

[@cavior44]

they won't fix shit

[@strepsels1048]

the

[@CaptainCharlotte69]

The monster hunter devs sum it up pretty well. "Why would we want players to skip our content with microtransactions and loot boxes?" Like what the fuck, is your game that bad that you don't want people to play it? Also what a stupid defence for loot boxes. "Oh you'll get stuff for things you didn't use before and that's good." No it's fucking not. If I'm looking for a heavy weapon and get a bloody fighter jet I not gonna say, oh gee I can fly that thing. I'm gonna say, fucking bullshit RNG gave me a plane.

[@boricudda7240]

I love the monster hunter devs so much more after they trashed micro transactions in that article. They deserve all the money coming to them.

[@VladmirVoska]

Bitch some more

[@boricudda7240]

Captain Davian my friend preordered Battlefront 2 and we file share but I ain't spending a single dime as a fuck you to the devs and Derpy Hooves' bitch ass over here.

[@FaticusDolphinius]

Captain Davian doesn't really fuck you over since I can get its benefits without paying for the loot boxes.

[@CaptainCharlotte69]

Faticus Dolphinius Perhaps, but I'd be better if they weren't there. The only reason they are in there is because it makes them a ludicrous amount of money (somehow, who pays for this stuff I do not know) and because of that I don't see this changing any time soon.

[@JKM395]

If you can actually say, "Loot boxes are necessary", with a straight face, you sir are the problem.

[@OzCharles]

I just cancelled my order of Star Wars Battlefront 2.

[@acuatico69]

Oz Charles Don't YOU FUCJING DARE CALL THIS TRASH BATTLEFRONT 2.ITS BATTLEFRONT EA.DONT TAINT THE ORIGINAL WITH THIS TRASH

[@demontiger8839]

+Oz Charles Same my dude

[@maximus8100]

I did also, had to call them because the chat feature it worthless and they removed the refund button. Shady business practices. Fuck this company, will never buy another EA game.

[@zackmyers1425]

Javiel Velez It is Star Wars Battlefront 2

[@neonhighroller7832]

Just cancelled mine too

[@sinkurogami8743]

Poor guy forced to spill out EA bullcrap...

[@ashc3765]

he signed himself over to the devil

[@jasr6366]

Jeremy Gullatt Chances are EA pays well so....

[@mcgman8058]

YES, poor guy. Have you ever had an excellent job that you would prefer to keep ? probably not. Chances are EA or Dice sent out the young greenhorn millennial to back up their bullshit. doubt the kid wants to do it, he's walking a fine line here. basically getting fucked by his boss.

[@atearen]

mcgman 80 Agree, I feel sorry for the guy. Nobody would feel comfortable in his position, gotta admit it takes guts to do this interview, even if his answers are completely scripted.

[@MrTrumpet]

Andres Teare this guy probably feels the same way as us, knowing his piece of work is getting shit on/ruined because of people above him trying to squeeze money out of it

[@Aeroquaza]

For people wanting joe to get aggressive and go off on the developer. Why the fuck would he do that in a situation like this? No developer or anyone from the gaming industry would want to have an interview or give him insight about games we are all treading to buy if he did that. Joe handled it very very well. Hope we get more like these.

[@whocaresido5779]

Phantom Taiga couldent agree more especially on the more interviews

[@cxouille4775]

I agree. While we roll our eyes at the blatant BS that was being told to us by Paul, He volunteered to be interviewed by Joe. As someone whom has conducted interviews with others in creative entertainment fields I have learned the Last Thing YOU WANT TO DO is just chew them out. If you do that then nobody will agree to be interviewed by you and only go to those who praise them.

[@cxouille4775]

Exactly!

[@stefanoneil6937]

He's done ot before and got blacklisted by Bungie

[@Digitalcanvas77]

He did a professional job on behalf of the community. Obviously holding back. Also the facial expressions at times. You can see it all...

[@leiwu772]

“Paul, Paul, Paul” LOL 😂😂😂 Am I the only one who cracked up when AngryJoe said that? Said so much in just 3 words LOL