EASIEST PATH TO FOX 3 | War Thunder Dance Of Dragon

This is looking like it will be a fun little squadron vehicle. I enjoyed testing it out.
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[@SeekerHead]

It has a total of 68 countermeasures, not 72. My playback window was a bit small so I thought my mixed load was 36 and 36, alas it was 36 and 32.

[@danielwang6201]

chaffs do not work now, they messed up the code, can't even decoy CW and Pulse radars

[@TabiTheCat]

remember, only China and russia can be OP, US teams have to suffer even at aim120 br's.

[@naveednawwaf]

@@TabiTheCat what are you smoking? US has the best jets currently in game.

[@DanTheTan]

@@TabiTheCat Dude is on crack to think USSR and China is op in air rb.

[@Cardinal8427]

I like how the only reason this thing isn't 13.7 is because that way Gaijin can still claim you can't buy your way to top tier.

[@explosivecommando9100]

But its not actually buying but farming😅

[@explosivecommando9100]

Ik you can just GE it

[@syfury3403]

Technically FM isn't as good as other 13.7, and it don't have IRCCM IR missiles. But yes it very close...

[@igorborracini5722]

it wouldn't make sense to be 13.7, if you compare to another 6-missile top tier like the Gripen or F-16C its just objectively worse in all aspects, its the most similar to the Mig29SMT which is also 13.3

[@Smojo10]

​@@explosivecommando9100 yeah ill probably let it grind over a few months but Gaijin knows a ton of people will just buy GE to get this thing

[@Skoodelly]

I feel bad for the future level 20s who are gonna buy their way into fox 3 top tier and get absolutely annihilated

[@mk6315]

The rant threads will be glorious

[@guitarlover42]

Turn the wheel. Give us lots of noobs to farm

[@andsoiderparound9909]

IDC about them since they're free kills

[@marshbarber966]

I’m those mfs but Idgaf but I have been playing for 2 years now and know my way around lots of jets but the grind is still so long and I don’t have the time so this is a W

[@Ziflin]

Don't feel bad, it builds character 😂

[@PrivateSoup]

Im gonna buy this plane just because the story behind it is so interesting and its kinda charming in its own way.

[@mcohanov]

no way it will perform like THIS in live server, not on 13.3. I've used almost every top tier airframe and this shit is sick

[@prestoo264]

It’s actually so insane and unfair , it pulls super hard , has crazy acceleration, and loses like no energy above .85 Mach and below that It pulls like a mf. And then there’s it being able to basically tail slide with no issue

[@eddy0803]

Sounds like it's literally a better J7E, which is what it was actually designed from?

[@marshall-yo5ho]

irl this thing is mostly a air to ground vehicle and would be clapped by most top tier jets in a dog fight

[@prestoo264]

@@eddy0803 its not even fucking close

[@DanTheTan]

@@marshall-yo5ho Dude what sources do you have?

[@GeneralLee2000]

I LOVE PAKISTAAAAAAN

[@tobi2233]

I LOVE PAKISTAN I WILL SACRIFICE MY LIFE FOR PAKISTAAAAAAAAAN

[@jaspersiron1041]

PAKISTAN ZINDABAAAAAADDDD!!

[@afmo500]

I would support this being a bonus radio call upon unlock

[@zayedharoon3910]

Lol

[@SheepFuvker0001]

Pakistan is a British created fake entity just like Israel was created by the British Pakistan too was created by the British to create chaos in south and Central Asia Pakistan is like a second Israel, but it has committed even more atrocities. It started a war in Afghanistan that resulted in the deaths of over 3 million Afghan civilians. Afghanistan continues to suffer because of the Taliban, which is backed by Pakistan. The so called Pakistani they are Indians by blood 85% of them and Only few percent of them are iranic people like Pashtun of so called Pakistan The Pakistani military has killed thousands of Palestinians. If you search, you will find evidence that Pakistan radicalized and destroyed the Pashtun people on both sides of the Durand Line. There are countless atrocities, war crimes, and crimes against humanity committed by Pakistan that I could list. How can anyone have any love for such a country?

[@ScottishSquirrel_]

Ima grind for it anyway, seems worth to stock grind, but this being the same BR as the F-4F ICE is criminal

[@Murrence90]

Sounds like they got the flight model correct, the Jeff does not...perform, unfortunately

[@specc_s1452]

People in the comments complaining that it doesn't turn as hard as a draken whilst knowing nothing about it

[@camilorodriguez5602]

dang i just got the f5e fcu, i will end up getting this when the next patch comes 😂 not complaining tho, i love that gaijin is adding actually decent squad vehicles, i still remember when the su22m3, brit prop, me262 and a4e were the only ones you could research

[@Frogg-YT]

me when gaijin adds a paid way to get fox-3s

[@AlRizz187]

not paid its free since its a squadron vehicle

[@SeekerHead]

Can be paid, but you can also just do nothing while ur squadron mates farm squadron RP for you and get it in a month or 2.

[@Smojo10]

@@SeekerHead a gent in the discord did the math and determined itll take a bit over 80 days

[@syfury3403]

​@@Smojo10, easy math.... 20k each 3 days, et you need 520k XP to have it. 520/20=26 You need 26 cycle of 3 days 26×3=78 days

[@reinyfrost3753]

@@syfury3403 That's if your squadron members help in getting you 20k every 3 days... sometimes it's less, like 18k or 15k. Probably more than 81 days tbh.

[@contemptordreadnought]

Call me biased but... getting a plane arguably better than the f4 - ice as a free squadron vehicle is just really fustrating as i would be happy if germany air got anything for top tier

[@bananomet4052]

Don't worry, friend. The Swiss Hornet will come to Germany until the end of the year. Probably in the november update. That said, I used to main Germany but saw how Gaijin treats this tech tree, so I started USA, SWE and CHI 2 years ago. Best decision I've done in WT. Highly recommend USA TT. It's absolutely beautiful from bottom to top. Nothing is more dangerous than a pilot trained on German planes using American planes. My avg. K/D with American planes is 4:1 lol and have 8:1 in the F-5C. They seem to be undertiered because alot of noobs play USA dragging the stats down.

[@contemptordreadnought]

I've honestly been considering buying the F4s on the next sale just so I can get america air cause it looks so goddamn good.

[@marshall-yo5ho]

​@@contemptordreadnoughtf14 and f16 are very fun and good aircraft

[@contemptordreadnought]

@@marshall-yo5ho playing the event f14rn and I'm in love, Easily my favorite plane

[@F-14-W]

@@bananomet4052bro I have USA, Russia, Japan, France(only the mirage 2kcs4), and Israel and not once was I like I want to grind Germany😂 not hyped for the typhoon cause the rafale imo looks better

[@UnkemptFalcon]

This is my favorite modern fighter to fly on DCS, can't wait to get it in War Thunder!

[@JimmySaulGoodmanMcGill1960]

the cope of US mains about china getting two somewhat playable toptier jets for once is surreal lmao

[@marshall-yo5ho]

lol no, people are pissed that you can buy you way to fox3's

[@JimmySaulGoodmanMcGill1960]

@@marshall-yo5ho I wonder why people aren't pissed at the event tomcat. its missiles were buffed on the dev(max G and fin overload) and it can easily do 180 shots now. at 12.3

[@marshall-yo5ho]

@@JimmySaulGoodmanMcGill1960 180 shots? You mean circle half the map and then hit a guy flying at 400 mph? Yeah that would only really work on someone flying slow and not paying attention

[@JimmySaulGoodmanMcGill1960]

@@marshall-yo5ho I meant a missile turning around with a 180 degree turn and still having a whole lot of energy to chase enemies across obscene distances

[@elenaeverett4481]

Hey at least it has more countermeasures than the J10's current whopping 14 [im assuming thats going to get changed]

[@SeekerHead]

The J10s just missing its normal caliber CMs. They’re listed in the stat card but you can’t actually use them right now for some reason, only the large caliber. I’m sure it’ll be fixed soon

[@DanTheTan]

@@SeekerHead Based on some sources the calibers on J10 is way larger than regular countermeasures, so the "normal" countermeasures are actually large caliber and "large" caliber CM is more like XL CM. Yes, I know, I don't have sources by my hand but I just want to say that this is a possibility.

[@F-14-W]

For a full week we saw F-14 spam and next is the jf17 spam, tbh ima be part of the jf17 like I’ve played so many 9.0-13.7 airframes and this one looks like it will be fun to fly, I hope they let it keep its flight model

[@slayo710]

Def gonna get this thing, wanted to get china going to get the J-7E so this thing looks like a good option to grind with. Can't wait.

[@surgetsann]

I believe the JF-17 is based off the J-7 to a decent degree so it makes sense that it flies sorta like one

[@wintercraft6511]

seek take a look at the p 16 swiss jet this thing is gonna be amazing at the br its at rn

[@SeekerHead]

Will do

[@littletweeter1327]

Such a nice looking jet. Should be fun too and good to farm the event f14’s

[@blessthismessss]

makes sense it feels like a MiG-21, the JF-17 is based off of that airframe. like even the reddit clips of the JF-17 drifting looks exactly like how the MiG-21 can do ingame, but with actual thrust to sustain it lol

[@theneef174]

The current jf17 has about as much to do with the mig21 as the f16 does with the f18. While there was an initial plan to upgrade mig21s, that program was scrapped, and the data became the jf17 with participation of MiG.

[@blessthismessss]

@@theneef174 i thought its original development name was literally "Super 7" before being known as the JF-17 because it was basically meant to be a heavily overhauled J-7 ?

[@theneef174]

@blessthismessss Yes; super seven is what I alluded to as the original upgrade. You'll see, though; a LOT has changed from the original idea in comparison to what the jf17 is now.

[@DanTheTan]

@@theneef174 I wouldn't call this the same airframe lol, its worse than saying T64 is the same as T72

[@snikrepak]

Best jet in this update, i use my f15j and jm, great jet.

[@-Qonqueror-]

It only has one Mig29 Engine, even for a light fighter a bit under powered compared to a f-16.

[@shamskhan7543]

thx god gaijin add the plane which country i am btw nice video...

[@fakeyn8206]

love the content keep it up!!!!

[@Chris_P_Bacon_06]

RAHHHHHH 🦅🦅🦅

[@daniel_f4050]

It looks like the bastard love child of an F-16 and an F-5. Basically giving West Taiwan a “Just as good as!” (but not even close) F-16 that comes from Wish or Temu.

[@theneef174]

Yall gotta chill homie this program had active us involved until tianamen. Shitting on this is shitting on the US.

[@daniel_f4050]

@@theneef174 That would certainly explain the visuals. I remember how they really started playing us for access to ridiculously cheap labor in exchange for getting their mitts on all sorts of technology we should have made them steal like any decent adversary. Ya know, like they do now with all the “students” at universities working on high tech government programs.

[@marshall-yo5ho]

​@@theneef174 china and Pakistan did most of the heavy lifting, it shows

[@赛博人会信仰虚拟神明]

JF17 is a deeply improved version of Mig21, and in terms of relationship, it is closer to Northrop Grumman YF17 (F18)

[@snotheadgaming2150]

@@赛博人会信仰虚拟神明 wut, it's not a J-8 moment.

[@Idk-cz9ms]

I haven’t grinded any of china and wished I had and now I can get something I really didn’t think we would get a squadron vehicle this high of br

[@rm2569]

The SD-10 IIRC is actually a worse PL-12

[@SeekerHead]

Hm, well for right not it’s a copy paste PL12.

[@sweatybotfn9982]

If the PL-12 is “equivalent” to AMRAAM just imagine how broken the PL-15 would be

[@pheaktra_]

PL-15 is literally a VLRAAM (Very Long Range Air to Air Missile) unlike PL-12 and Aim-120 both being AMRAAM

[@pern5349]

Let’s go there saving 12.0 and below from tomcat spam

[@pikapika2-7273]

I don't know if this has been confirmed or not but I've heard from a couple that the reason the flight may seem lacking is that it's copy past flight model from the f20 and will updated in live server idk if this is actually true or not

[@HasvenWorld]

A lot of people are, rightfully a bit *perturbed* that this thing can be bought with GE I for one, like it because i have not invested in the Chinese tree at all past rank 2

[@GumMonster1]

Of course its flight performance in terms of thrust to weight is not that good as it doesn't have access to the extremely powerful western engine designs, so it uses a single MiG-29 engine.

[@mab2187]

Many people usually grind the SQ vehicles so its not that big a deal.

[@sackthing986]

Gonna be my first China plane

[@garrettobrien5197]

Hey seek. I was just wondering if the Israeli F-16C is lighter than the American one. Because it’s block 40 and not block 50

[@SeekerHead]

I’ll look into that

[@SeekerHead]

The Israeli F16C is a few hundred kilograms lighter than the US one. So yes, but in actuality that’s not going to change much of anything unless 2 duelists are fighting each other in each plane. Other than that it’s a marginal difference

[@garrettobrien5197]

@@SeekerHead oh ok. Thanks. I still want an F-16C block 30. It’ll be the best hands down. Light FM + better engine

[@SeekerHead]

There’s been a further development. The block 40 is engine is worse than the block 50. So despite being heavier, the US F16C is better. Id love a block 30 too

[@garrettobrien5197]

@@SeekerHead oh really. Wow. I thought the block 30/40/50 would all have the same

[@suzybean13]

As a level 100 who has top tier in 2 nations and needs a grinder for top tier china, I feel I’m allowed to purchase such a thing

[@thefallenboombird9289]

Idk man…it’s a squadron vehicle so it ain’t gonna grind anything until like rank 7 where it’s only -10 % research effectiveness.

[@Squeaky_Ben]

Before I even say anything about the plane itself: Why would you WANT to go to the ARH tier? It is so frustrating to fly... Anyhow, from your description, I am kind of a little mad. This is essentially just better than the F-4F ICE, at the same BR. Sure, the ICE gets the actual AMRAAM, but it is a phantom flight model, both are roughly the same speed, the upgraded PL-5 will probably be better than the AIM-9L/I and, well, you get a little less countermeasures, but not to a noticable degree. So... thanks gaijin, this is the second time you rub salt in my wounds!

[@R3llyman]

no Aim9L/I is a aim9M with smoke mortor PL5E will most likly perform similar

[@topaz2821]

Yeah it’s got like 1 mig29 engine

[@UDDB-o8i]

its funny that gaijin think jf17 sould be an attacker

[@R3llyman]

that is what it is classified in real life pakistan had J10 and F16 do it's air to air

[@UDDB-o8i]

@@R3llyman jf17 should be Multirole combat aircraft, and Pakistan use them to air to air before they get j10

[@R3llyman]

@@UDDB-o8i still was primarily a attacker I believe on the strike on Iran the JF17 was the one doing the strike with f16 and J10 as escort

[@doge4818]

Lmao, so i gotta grind out my f15c and just kill noobs to spade it when this drops, from all lvl 30s getting this.

[@hubril7921]

CCP jets try not to be undertiered challenge (impossible)

[@doge4818]

The f16 at home

[@jackmcfann]

The Jeff

[@3arlie]

What about data link?

[@batisphere1168]

Do y'all think this is worth dropping the research of squadron lepard?

[@thefallenboombird9289]

The squadron leopard is nice, I have it myself. It’s mostly up to you. Do you want to grind China air? Idk if you got a prem in German ground but if I didn’t I would just just grind as much as possible of German ground and then when I got the pl just begin on the jf17. And if you already got top tier in Germany then you should just think to yourself if you want this plane and want to grind China air.

[@batisphere1168]

@@thefallenboombird9289 basically the highest BR i have in germany ground is 5.3-5.7 and no premiums (aside from that one sdkfz from some event) so yeah imma keep the research of leopard

[@thefallenboombird9289]

@@batisphere1168 ye good idea since idk how much you’ve grinded out Germany, but you may be able to play the pl right when you hit around rank 7. I am personally a China main, and I would recommend maybe to try out China. The air is like Russia ish but I kinda like China better (Got both) and the ground is just maybe a little less armored tanks but much much much better mobility.

[@basam3443]

as a pakistani, most w update i could ever ask for

[@thatoneguy1741]

Tbh tho, That flanker was out of commission, but the pilot was not

[@SeekerHead]

You cannot work the systems in a plane while flat spinning and on fire.

[@DragoneyeVII]

@@SeekerHead Pilots also don't regularly perform 10+ G maneuvers in real life too. Its quick thinking on the Su-27 players part and shows they're not giving up.

[@igorborracini5722]

@@DragoneyeVII maybe, but its still unlikely that the systems to fire the missile would all still be functioning perfectly in a flat spin and on fire

[@DragoneyeVII]

Theres nothing wrong with a jet being able to HMD lock you while in a flat spin if parts of the plane are still functional enough to launch.

[@SeekerHead]

If you want to play the realism argument, I’d like to see you try to work the systems of your plane while on fire and flatspinnig :/ never mind get a radar lock and shoot.

[@Kostimizasyon]

Wt players be like lemme pull 14gs for 10 seconds and then complain about realism

[@BlackjackTheLad]

@@SeekerHead You're flying planes in third person which typically have 1.5x the G-limits in-game that they would irl. A little perspective, maybe?

[@SeekerHead]

Exactly. I’m not making the realism argument. OP is by saying “technically the required systems are still functional, so it could do that”. It’s an illogical stance considering this is a game, and destroyed, flat spin shooting missiles is not good gameplay.

[@BlackjackTheLad]

@@SeekerHead I just don't feel that strongly about it. If I don't want to be caught with my pants down by a disabled plane, I'll keep an eye on it instead of decrying its ability to launch missiles at me. Makes for interesting revenge shots every now and again by people getting a bit too cocky.

[@jaktfalkenwt]

Are the SD-10s similar to the pl12 tho?

[@SeekerHead]

Exactly the same thing

[@nicos1097]

People’s-Liberation-12s

[@R3llyman]

nah PL just stand for thunder strike in Chinese

[@Micro-Lander]

So my F20 doesnt get 120s but this shit that will guaranteed be paid for in GE and not months of grinding squadron RP gets PL12 in what is a f20/16 style airframe...... Horseshit

[@R3llyman]

but JF17 cant grind tree so anyone with a brain wont buy it to grind

[@aceofthunder9868]

"Dragons" in your title is not plural

[@tobi2233]

Seek do you think it’s worth ge’ing this plane?

[@SeekerHead]

First of all, I’d wait until the live server to know for sure the BR won’t change and that the PL5 does in fact get IRCCM. But as of now, No, it’ll be a lot of GE just to unlock, and after that it’ll be stock. If you want to spend some money, I’d research it the free route, then spend that money on the mods instead. Just what I’d do if I was paying.

[@tobi2233]

@@SeekerHead ok thanks for the reply

[@Denkmaldrubernacht]

You GE squadron planes?

[@chayforster5138]

I just wanna now how much ge for it

[@marshbarber966]

10000 GE for the airframe and another 10000 to max out crew and modifications

[@SheepFuvker0001]

Wait how can I get this jet

[@SeekerHead]

Be in a squadron or pay for it

[@aimesblack]

same br as F4 ice 🤡

[@mainhalo117]

Not gonna lie 13.3 is getting ridiculous amounts of downteirs due to all the f14 iriaf’s In matching rotation rn so this thing could possibly be a demon with the baby aim120s

[@notmyrealaccount5245]

So for this new update we got Temu Eurofighter and Temu F-18 lmao it sucks lol

[@yrkjrk2972]

The Jeff is really just a Temu special. It's pretty mid and strange. Cool addition tho and not game breaking so that's a plus.

[@Duality.12]

temu viggen and temu f20

[@dualie5466]

im going to throttle gaijin; I am sick and tired of kiddies buying these vehicles and ruining the game.

[@asiftalpur3758]

old man yells at cloud

[@dualie5466]

@@asiftalpur3758found the kid who buys them

[@asiftalpur3758]

@@dualie5466 lil bro is mad gaming is slipping away as a past time because younger people are playing his game imagine being this kind of a hater

[@dualie5466]

@@asiftalpur3758 nah; they are just bad at the game and a greedy dev wants money; it’s cute you are trying to be an armchair psychiatrist over it though

[@gitgood8509]

@@dualie5466I just farm them 🤷‍♂️. Sure sometimes it’s a bit annoying that your team lost because you had more wallet warriors than the enemy team, but at the end of the day it’s not a competitive game. Besides, while gajin is definitely not free of blame in this situation, it’s still player’s decision to buy this plane without even knowing how to play jets, it’s player’s choice to be a wallet warrior. Just farm them and let them cope about “X nation bias”

[@theballingboi5360]

I still think it's kind of stupid that not only were the only top tier fighters both for the same nation, but for one that already had ARH missiles. Also the fact the the IAI Lavi, the plane China ripped off to make the J-10, didn't also come in this update.

[@theBrid-gv8je]

The Lavi is a cancelled prototype with 3 ever built

[@theballingboi5360]

@@theBrid-gv8je I know, but how are you going to add the bootleg without adding the original

[@theBrid-gv8je]

@@theballingboi5360 How is it a bootleg they started development around the same time and the "original" didn't reach the production stage

[@theballingboi5360]

@@theBrid-gv8je the original didn't reach the production stage because there wasn't enough performance over things they already had, not because it wasn't a good design. The J-10 is a bootleg because it took 15 years from the proposal contract to be put into production, the J-11 actually saw service before the J-10. The Lavi was functional for a long time before the J-10 was even on the design board because the designs for the J-10 contract kept getting rejected until they decided to just rip off the Lavi.

[@theBrid-gv8je]

@@theballingboi5360 Did some reading, they're F-16s with deltas and cannards. You either go with the Russian source that says it was based on the Lavi or you go with the Chinese source that says it was based on experiments from the cancelled J-9