Easy Start Stihl 036 Build! More power less compression

Building a Stihl 036 with less compression for easier starting. See how much power can be made without a lot of extra compression.
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[@litewatefitr]

Nice work! These saws are delightful in their stock configuration....can't imagine how a little love opens them up a bit!

[@takeashawnoutdoors5518]

The 034 super and 036 are great firewood saws. I spent untold hours running stihl in a log pile when I was younger. Still have a 034 super. Dont cut as many cords of wood.

[@latinodeathjazz]

Great content as always Joe 👍🏻 I’d really like to see you show us with your dyno how different port characteristics affect a saw. It’s commonly acknowledged that raising the exhaust roof moves peak power further up the Rev range, but other aspects are not so well documented. For example with all other variables remaining constant how does a blowdown of say 20 degrees differ to a blowdown of 22, 24, 26, etc, and why might you select one degree choice over another? When I first started porting that really tripped me up and only after doing lots of saws did I begin to see a correlation. It would be fascinating to see if the commonly accepted correspondences between degrees opening (of all ports, not just transfers) and their associated characteristics play out on the dyno. Have a great day, Al

[@kylecromp319]

I built one of these awhile back for myself. I didnt expect to get what i ended up with and im gonna piss husky guys off but it gobbles up a 372 with 20 inch bar in maple. These saws are underrated.

[@JandSChainsaw]

I really like the 036 ms360 saws those numbers are almost identical to my 360 but it has a pop up and a little tighter squish..thabks for sharing it 👍👍

[@ryancarmony6666]

Great content as always Joe. I’d love to see a 60cc shootout like you did with the 50, 70 and 90cc classes.

[@briankirwan9588]

Yes a 60cc shoot out would be awesome. Especially if it would be possible to do new saws before a break in period then one after that have all had equally amounts of tanks ran through the saws

[@IndianaDoug]

Great video Joe. The 36 was such a bulletproof saw from Stihl, the old feller is gonna be happy with that build. Congrats on 5K, I’m stoked to see you back at it👍🏻

[@brettblack7049]

So was the 361, and it had flippy caps, spring AV, better filtration, and quad ports. It was a great saw, the first of the stihls to start swinging over to some husky creature comforts, then the angling of the handlebar help make them even better 😀. Edit, the 036 didn't have a side tensioner either. Lots of advances made from the 036 to the 361, but both run forever it seems. Hope you're doing well.

[@IndianaDoug]

@@brettblack7049 you had me at “flippy caps.” 😆 yes, I meant the whole 36 models in general. Not too fond of my 362 though, Stihl should’ve made it more like the 400 imo. Great quality saw, but certainly not a 361…

[@brettblack7049]

@@IndianaDoug lol. I'm a much bigger fan of the husky flippies, they are flat out awesome; but I like the stihl flippy caps better than the screw caps. The first generation 362 was a heavy low powered brick out of the box, kinda like when husky went to the 575 after making the 372oe for many yrs 😳. I still haven't had my hands on an ms400, but I like my 462 well enough that I sold my ported 440, and the ported 500 I ran was a beast.

[@IndianaDoug]

@@brettblack7049 yes! My Dollys love the Husky flip caps!

[@brettblack7049]

@@IndianaDoug Heck yeah. I've seen them on the echo 2511 too, need to get another set :).

[@justinweaver8787]

Great saw build love it the power to weight is great especially ported.

[@happycamper6352]

I did most of my learning on an 036. It was my only saw for a long time and I had to borrow if I wanted a top handle or bigger saw. When it finally died (someone put straight gas in it at a job), I replaced it with a 362 CMQ, and I still have it, although I don't use it as much since getting a 500. A lot of guys used to bug me about using that thing. They used 70cc or 90cc saws, but for the stuff we were cutting, the 036 did just fine most of the time and I felt far better at the end of the shift. It was a good all-day everyday saw, and the thing would have lasted forever if it hadn't had the gas issue.

[@mfsaws8240]

Porting theory on making a pop up piston vs cutting the combustion chamber. That’s my question. 🤟

[@simpleman4224]

That’s a great all around saw! 👍👍👍👍🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🙏🙏🙏🙏

[@brettbrettson69]

I love my 034. For a 56cc saw she's a ripper with a 25" and full skip

[@CharlesBrisco]

Shud be a happy customer

[@slaxxx]

Cool build! I love the videos! Keep it up!

[@michpatriot9097]

Awesome build!! Gave the old timer a sweet combo. Love my 034super jugged 36 that I had Kevin tickle. Those air filters really do choke the HP, I'm running a nylon one and would like to find more flow, but don't want fines either..Probably would really wake up with a K&N but for a work saw I want a cover.

[@WreckitRalphie]

What are advantages and disadvantages of timing advance? And also base gasket delete? I have an echo 590 if that matters...thanks and congrats on 5000. Your channel is super cool

[@ihcr100]

That's a pretty nice gain still. Thanks for sharing!

[@shroomssawshop4401]

Love the videos man!! Keep um coming!! 👍👍

[@rchighfield1]

I’ll try to form this question so WWIII doesn’t start. Have you ever tested the intake surface changes, starting with factory and changing roughness all the way up to polish? Thanks in advance.

[@joutdoorsmen23]

Cool video very informative thanks for sharing your knowledge!!!!!!!!!

[@jasonlamar2053]

Nice gains! I’d say it’s a win-win for the average guy cutting firewood with a shorter bar that doesn’t need as much tq. Lots of “easy start” type features on new saws today, but this lower comp build actually increases productivity. You could market this build as such and wholesale to dealers. Just a thought…

[@Bigcheif360]

I think that was nice gains considering the compression numbers.

[@74hoppy]

Timing advance before and after on an autotune saw vs a non autotune saw? Interested to see if it is worth doing on newer saws.

[@Jpb707]

Awesome video! I love my 036 pro been wanting this build to come across your bench for a while, what air filter would you switch out the stocker for? I wanted to send you mine for work it runs great great compression just nervous about putting money into a old original saw , what are concerns with porting well used saws?

[@brettbrettson69]

I run a combo of a NOS wire mesh filter and a fleece setup when I'm cutting dirty wood

[@SixOFord]

Still for what it was it did pretty good. Do you put new rings in an older build like that or run what they had ?

[@Andyshine77]

Plenty of gain for a real work saw, and it will last forever.

[@muddy1ish]

I want to rebuild my 036 Pro what cylinder and piston you recommend ?

[@user-cs1ne8gx9u]

Have you ever played with an old super xl? I probably have 5 of them laying around I always thought of playing with. Great work as usual.

[@localcrew]

I like chainsaws. Just subscribed!

[@jensenwilliam5434]

Thank s

[@slaxxx]

I’d like to see how you square up the cylinder on the lathe for cutting the base.

[@sffabrications3872]

X2

[@gwp1ohio]

What is a general cost for the work done?

[@ronaldoribeirodealmeida910]

Ele e maior que o 180 ?

[@jenbrushwood8872]

How could you get more power out of an oh 36 pro by just doing something with the muffler

[@dynojoemods2764]

Muffler mod is a great first step. Normally 5-8% gain

[@archer3181]

How much would this cost? I have a 036 pro and a Husqvarna 365 that I’ve been think about sending somewhere to give them a little more zip.

[@JoshNoss]

On his worksaws site it's $300 for porting and $50 to schedule the appointment per saw.. I just got back a 550xp he did and it's truly impressive, sent him my 572 and should be getting it back soon as well. That's on par with all other porters except you get dyno run printout and muffler mod/timing advance/compression increase from him as well

[@martinmeijer9769]

Hi Joe! I get the impression that you always do gasket deletes. I do it my self but thats because i don't have a lathe. Is there a reason that you leave out the gasket instead of turning the base down?

[@dynojoemods2764]

I like the gasket delete on most every saw. Some bases get extremely thin by the time you remove enough material to get the desired thickness

[@ladislavgazdik7595]

I would like to see the effect of base gasket delete on dyno.

[@brettblack7049]

It will bump the compression about 10-15psi depending on the saw/base gasket thickness and can help the timing numbers a bit(this is if you have enough room to delete the gasket, most like at least .020 squish clearance). Add a muffler mod and a little ignition timing advance (done by advancing the flywheel) and you can easily gain 1/2- a full hp depending on the saw, some will probably gain closer to 1.5hp doing all 3 and the rev up much quicker 😀.

[@ladislavgazdik7595]

@@brettblack7049 Thanks for response. The ignition timing advance could by a nice performance gain, which I overlook. I think that 1 or 2 degree should by enough for 100 RON or 95 PON gas.

[@brettblack7049]

@@ladislavgazdik7595 certain saws you can get away with more advance than others and you will have greater gains on some more than others. One of the downsides is that if you go too far, you will get popping. Another is that when you shut the saw off sometimes it will spin the saw over backwards and pull the recoil rope/handle into the recoil, sometimes ripping the rope thru the handle, not good. I only run 90 octane ethanol free fuel in my saws.

[@iraagans3144]

Drop an old clamshell cylinder, that would be interesting

[@74stevedc]

For questions and answers what saw makes the most power to weight after mods that you have worked on?

[@dynojoemods2764]

The echo 501 is right up towards the top. Along with the 044/46 stihls

[@scottallpress3818]

Could a decompression valve be added to something like this ?

[@dynojoemods2764]

The later model ones came with a decompression valve. It could be added, but would be easier to find a cylinder with one already.

[@scottallpress3818]

@@dynojoemods2764 you don’t know if any 029s ever did ? Mines a bugger to start from cold - also you note about the air filter - what would your fix be ?

[@jkilby27able]

👍👍👍

[@alexstromberg7696]

How much do you cut the band usually?

[@dynojoemods2764]

.020-.040 .5mm-1mm depending on the saw

[@alexstromberg7696]

@@dynojoemods2764 do you have to cut the base the same amount? Trying to learn what squish band cutting does and how to go about it.

[@novicelumberjack]

How is this considered a low compression saw when it has .024 squish? From what I know, this is typical of good high compression. I'm confused.

[@dynojoemods2764]

Normally the squish cut would be 4x this build making the chamber much smaller. And the exhaust roof would be left lower. To keep that compression trapped longer. This with a light band cut and higher exhaust roof bleeds off compression faster than stock. Squish, chamber volume, and exhaust roof all play into the trapped compression of a saw.

[@novicelumberjack]

@@dynojoemods2764 Gotcha. Thanks for the explanation. I need to start cutting squish bands. All part of the learning process though.

[@fabzacres-blackcat]

No need to cut squish bands at all for a good woods port saw that’ll rip chips and run strong 💪 for long time. In fact , folk been building them like that for over 50 years 😂…

[@dynojoemods2764]

@@fabzacres-blackcat Sharp chain on a stock saw pulls chips too.

[@fabzacres-blackcat]

@@dynojoemods2764 I agree. In fact I’d say a Razer-sharp chain is the best performance mod around 😉. From my personal experience I’d say 8-12% gain on intake / bored / larger carb, 8-12% gain (or more) with tuned exhaust and another 6-12% with flow porting I do. This is with stock squish and no machine work. A ported cylinder with a stock intake and stock exhaust isn’t gonna do all that much, everything has to work in concert at the target rpm you choose to build for , much akin to a musical instrument 🎷 … it all depends on the saw also , for example an 044 or 064 is really going to rock and roll vs a newer stratos saw like a 462c or 572/592xp given the same amount of work …. the factory cylinders are getting pretty good and it seems there’s not as much gains to be had compared to older versions while keeping longevity it mind- almost like the manufacturers are putting the saw builder outta business 😂 The “old-school” 0 series STIHLS whoop a cat on the newer “epa-friendly” versions all things being equal and Will Last a lot longer imho. Tolerances are looser in the new versions too - all goes back to planned obsolescence/throwaway society 😉. For example The Livermore centennial light bulb burned continuously from 1901 to 2013 and only went out because of a bad power supply … how’s that for longevity ?

[@zachgordon9531]

How can I get ahold of you??

[@dynojoemods2764]

[e-mail] Or through the website Www.worksaws.com

[@tylerheard1279]

How do you calibrate your dyno?

[@dynojoemods2764]

Hanging weight.

[@tylerheard1279]

@@dynojoemods2764 OK. Cool. Maybe in the Q and A video you could show us your method.

[@ChiefManny1]

1st

[@coffeemonster6328]

audio sucks!