The 5 Deadliest Federation Starships | Star Trek Lore ft. Spacedock

[@jjaarr3208]

Aesthetically, the Prometheus looks deadly, but when you talked about it's ability to separate into individual attack ships I couldn't get the Voltron theme song out of my head.

[@deksroning125]

@@jkeelsnc It would make sense that Starfleet and UFP would be using automation for a lot of their ships... similarly, they would use adaptive algorithms for designing ships. Why spend years on the drawing board when you can tell the computer to use an adaptive algorithm and create the best design that's great at everything using the latest in UFP science and technology. Automation is in fact thousands of times faster than people... not to mention more accurate.

[@EVAUnit4A]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/g6XUfJSLmJuIl9U _Voltron: Legendary Defender_ (2016-18, Netflix) was a lovingly-crafted series, you should check it out of you haven't yet. It's one of the _very rare_ reboot/remakes that I fully stand behind after all these decades- being respectful of the source content, _while at the same time_ bringing in new material that was not in the original.

[@nazreenpg]

You just have to mention it! Now I also can't get out voltron theme song out from my head everytime it separate XD

[@macycola3224]

How old are you?

[@thelordofcringe]

I refuse to believe any seperatable power grid with multiple power generation cores would be able to efficiently use that power for weapons if it can be split apart so easily.

[@Moon_Cricket_Stinks]

Whats the most powerful federation warship? *the one with the main character on it*

[@cristsan4171]

Yes, Captain Kirk Picard Janeway

[@CaptJCB_]

indeed **looks at star trek online**

[@victortrinidad2180]

except when they get destroyed at the end.

[@MrVolodus]

Well, technically it's about leadership. Even best tanks are shit if not used correctly. So it makes sense :D

[@manty5]

No, that's the most durable warship. Plot armor can make a runabout invincible but won't make it crush a borg cube.

[@alanday5255]

Technically... Voyager in the last two episodes is the most powerful due to the future weapons and ablative armor/shields.

[@ChimpingBulldog]

Plot armour and Deus Ex torps.

[@joehayes9933]

Also the future queen of the Alpha, Beta, Gamma, and Delta Quadrant Kathryn Janeway was on it

[@stevenfarrow4402]

Absolutely ! Busting cubes open with one shot !!

[@seraphimvalkyrin4543]

@@ChimpingBulldog Plot armor exists in all of Star Trek shows. If there was none all the shows would end after the first episode. It's not a big deal.

[@Damo2690]

It's coz thats a ship not a class

[@boosterdemon7122]

Fun Facts: Akira class ships (while never shown on screen) were designed to not only be a formidable warship on its own, but it was suppose to be a carrier - having a huge hangar that spanned the length of the saucer section filled with fighters. The Akira class design was actually created BEFORE the NX Enterprise design and because fans loved the design of the Akira class - it became the basis of the NX design, which is why they look so similar.

[@vaiyt]

The akira is kinda amazing. They went "Oh no we need real warships now" and some crazy motherfucker sitting in the corner, waiting his entire career went "Fucking finally". And busted out the most ridiculously excessive design possible and named it after an anime. - someone on discord

[@vincentpaladine3718]

It was shown briefly in first contact, in the battle with the cube.

[@alexnavarro6941]

Maybe Booster Demon is trying to infer that the Akira is formidable, but that formidability trait is not shown properly on screen, and neither its fighter complement. It’s shown exploding, or just firing some phasers and photon torps, that’s all. We can’t really see how good this ship truly is

[@boosterdemon7122]

@@alexnavarro6941 spot on. But i get why - back when the Akira first showed up, VFX costs for showing carrier/fighter actions would have been more expensive and time consuming to do versus the VFX we have today. Still one of the coolest starship designs in Star Trek!

[@alexnavarro6941]

@@boosterdemon7122 Beautiful ship. But the data you shared that really catches my eye is, this blueprint was designed before the NX. Humanity was already thinking of a space carrier/battleship before the NX-01 Enterprise sailed away?

[@mycroft16]

One of my favorite moments in Star Trek is watching the Defiant go up against the Borg cube and then suddenly the Enterprise E warps in right in front of it and takes the brunt of a few shots for it. Such a great shot for conveying the size of the Sovereign class. And what a beautiful ship it is. Somehow the designers managed to make it stunningly sleek and beautiful.

[@flipakine]

one of the best battle scenes in star trek history. the volley of torpedos fired from the Enterprise almost immediately following was exceptionally shot as well

[@pepperVenge]

I agree it looks cool, and I do oddly like it, but its trash in my honest opinion. Has no business being a Federation Starship. It wasn't even the ship that the original drafts of First Contact called for. In them, the Enterprise-E had at least 47 decks, but the Sovereign class has only 29. And one thing that I don't get about post Roddenberry death TNG era ships is why the hell was there no neck between the secondary hull and saucer, and why are they so _sleek_ looking?? Honestly, these are Space Ships! They don't need to be aerodynamic! 🙄

[@mycroft16]

@@pepperVenge Since when does every Roddenberry era starship have a neck? Also, we know from multiple episodes that there can be turbulence in warp so "aerodynamic" makes absolute sense. I guess a better word would be streamlined. As the Federation advances its knowledge of warp drive and how warp works it makes complete sense for them to update and revise their designs for ships. Just like cars on Earth have changed design to reduce drag and increase fuel efficiency as we have learned more about fluid dynamics. And now we get into the truly pointless. Who cares what the original draft wanted. If we're going to go by the original draft of everything then Star Trek is going to look VERY different. And I'm talking Roddenberry era here. There's a reason it's called a draft. What has deck count got to do with anything? The Federation builds starships to fulfill a role. In the post Borg invasion era the Federation needs a flagship that is less family and research vessel and much more actual battle capable. You want maneuverability (means smaller). You want something that doesn't present a massive target, means compact and smaller (removing the neck removes an obvious weak point and presents a lower profile), etc. There are literally dozens of real world reasons why the ship was redesigned the way it was within the fictional world. I get it, you like the neck.. but the Federation have to live within their reality, and this represents an evolution of design thought based on the needs of the Federation and the realities they face.

[@pepperVenge]

@@mycroft16 What do you mean _since when_ does every Roddenberry ships have a neck? Every ship with the classic Starfleet design (i.e. the design of the original Enterprise) had a neck before Roddenberry died. TOS Enterprise, and Enterprises A threw D had necks. As well as any ship that employed the classic Starfleet design. Even the Nebula class had a neck, though small, it was able to separate its saucer from it. Regarding aerodynamics in space: First of all, why does a space fairing vehicle need to be aerodynamic if 1) theres no air in space, 2) it has a main deflector that removes objects from its path, even microscopic, and even at warp, and 3) is capable of controlled decent in planetary atmosphere's -- it doesn't just fall with style the NASA shuttles did. Can you prove that a starship has to be aerodynamic to be able to propel to faster warp velocities, because that makes sense in an atmosphere, but physics in space is very different. Especially physics involved in faster then light travel. There is nothing in the way to create resistance. At least not in the way of air. There is plenty of stress put unto the hull do to E=MC2, but that is the point of the Warp Bubble; it makes the ship lighter so that it can travel faster then light. All an object needs is a deflector and a warp drive to be able to go to warp and avoid warp stress. You should probably read up on this. Further; I have to ask you to demonstrate where you got the idea that Aerodynamics is necessary for faster warp velocities. The Enterprise D, a Galaxy Class ship, is certainly not aerodynamic, but the Galaxy Class can go just as fast as the Sovereign class (as of 2377). But even its 2364 speed of warp 9.6 is still virtually the same speed as warp 9.9. The former would just be a few minutes behind. Your claim sounds made up. On the design of the Enterprise E; the writers (Moore and Braga) were very disappointing when the model for the E was released. They had to rewrite their script to fit the smaller ship as their script called for a much larger ship, but the production team either ignored them or didn't listen to the script well enough. This documentary explains the writers surprise at the Enterprise E model: kzbin.info/www/bejne/jpXFmJKqrLmtaaM

[@lynansheng]

@@pepperVenge Miranda class anyone? Not just no neck, no secondary hull.

[@fl00fydragon]

"This is the most deviantart, self insert fan fiction spaceship ever designed." Poetry.

[@hyrinshratu]

That needs to go on a dedication plaque.

[@petek.3409]

I would agree as far as prime timeline cannon ships go. However this beautiful line from spacedock may not full account for the adolescent my ship's "equipment" is bigger than yours, that is embodied in two other ships. USS Vengeance from the Kelvin time line and or the hero ship from the fan made Rennegade movie. Both ships felt like over powered testosterone compensating fever dreams of insecure 15 year olds traped inside of 45 years olds, In my opinion at least.

[@jonuiuc]

I sort of have the same feelings as for the Defiant, it was the original overhyped -in-power ship (like star wars vVenator, people buff it cause they thought it looked cool when they were young). But yeah, the Prometheus one upped it.

[@AuxCart]

Somebody has never read about the Sun Crusher. (Star Wars Legends)

[@chriseash6497]

@@jonuiuc At least they seemed to have realized that and eventually destroyed first the Valiant and later the Defiant to show it wasn't all powerful.

[@Kinepho]

Daniel - Cool. Calm. Collected. *insert Prometheus Class* Daniel - Hateful. Spiteful. Unhinged.

[@ahuman4386]

And for good reasons!

[@DannyRSA]

And he just had to bring up the ugliest turd ship ever created - the Jaeger Class. In the same breath as calling the Prometheus class a hatchet job. Self irony lost clearly

[@Mr-J...]

LOL, in Daniel's rant of the Prometheus class, he didn't even list it's armament.

[@screenPhiles]

@@DannyRSA The Yeager class, as in Chuck, not Jaeger (as in German for warrior).

[@DannyRSA]

@@screenPhiles perhaps you need to write to Samsung and ask them to change their autocorrect settings. Thanks for your contribution

[@Funhubble]

1701-E is the finest Ship for me, i love this beauty

[@cosmocutlass1987]

I used to love it, but it wasn’t for exploration and the saucer couldn’t detach which was a downside for me.

[@ssdravidian]

The D for me

[@isleapyhunter930]

@@ssdravidian this isn't alpha canon, but I'd say the F

[@Graham987654]

@@cosmocutlass1987 the saucer actually can detach they just never show it

[@jonathanlecclier1184]

@@cosmocutlass1987 It can. Just not on screen. And weirdly the Akira can too. Just not on screen. Google it and the creator of both will confirm.

[@USSCrazybat]

"This is the ship that is your favourite when you're fifteen years old" *sweats nervously*

[@umad42]

It's okay we all had bad taste when we were ignorant kids lol

[@justinkam9729]

I like it still, though I think its portrayal in Message in a Bottle is pretty overpowered. I flew around in it using STO but...it was just FUN.

[@mackenziebeeney3764]

I like how it looks combined, the multi-vector assault mode is a huge waste of resources. You could build three smaller ships, each just as powerful, but instead you sink in not one, not two, but THREE warp cores into this thing.

[@Primalxbeast]

I'm safe, we only had the original Star Trek when I was 15.

[@KarolusTemplareV]

@@mackenziebeeney3764 Redundancy isn't bad, especially with the tendency of warpcores to overload. I agree that multivector assault is meh, but multiple warpcores make sense.

[@Evil.Totoro]

In my teenage mind, after seeing the E swoop in and save the Defiant in First contact and seeing the size difference, I was like the ultimate ship would be a Sovereign Class with a defiant class embedded in its hall as a captain’s yacht.

[@SabertoothSeal]

That's almost exactly what the Star Trek Online MMO came up with for the Enterprise F. It's a bigger, rounder Sovereign-inspired design with a Defiant-sized escort docked to the back where the shuttlebay usually is.

[@canisarcani]

@@SabertoothSeal yeah the Odyssey class. honestly i love it. the Odyssey class was supposed to be a return to scientific exploration, but tempered by the federations reality check of three major wars practically back to back. she doesnt have as many phaser strips or torpedo launchers as the Sovereign, but what she lacks in number she gains in power. she has a couple different docking bays for shuttle craft, and of course the Aquarius class escort docked in her stern. however, she is also bloody massive, doesnt turn very well, and even though her shields are incredibly strong that alone puts her at a disadvantage; hence the Escort.

[@hobomike6935]

@@canisarcani So I don't have STO, but basically what I'm gathering is starfleet just started building giant, powerful, peaceful, exploration ships that contain smaller battleships that they can deploy?

[@canisarcani]

@@hobomike6935 well... they made one class like that anyways... theres also the jupiter class carrier though... which is basically a giant bloated whale of a ship thats heavily armed and shielded that is dedicated to carrying (and launching) peregrines.

[@danielm6049]

Just remember that the Defiant had been trading blows with the cube for at least an hour before the Enterprise showed up. I honestly think its a tie between the Enterprise E and the Defiant for deadliest.

[@jonojjt6]

Daniel that had me rolling on the floor... “that’s the fastest your can go before you turn into a salamander” GG I died 😂

[@dungeonguy88]

Yeah, even the show itself disavowed that particular episode...

[@dungeonguy88]

@Lord Skank What are you babbling about?

[@neighbor18]

The Ncc-1701 did warp 15 once.

[@dungeonguy88]

@@neighbor18 I think that's the old warp standard. I think that in-universe the Federation re-designated Warp 10 as the top possible speed. Warp 10 meaning you're moving so fast that you effectively exist at every point space simultaneously.

[@ShadowsOfLight6]

RIP

[@mensrea1251]

“Each one of these three components obviously looks terrible because it’s just a third of another ship...” 😂 😂 😂

[@Darktrik001]

Personally I thought the Enterprise D was awful looking when it separated. Almost like a decapitated swan for the engineering section. OFF WITH IT"S HEAD!

[@23GreyFox]

@@Darktrik001 Yes, thank you.

[@hobomike6935]

@@Darktrik001 “each piece is covered with mini warp nacelles, to somehow make it work”

[@CT-Clone]

Two of my favorite channels covering starships? This day can't get any better!

[@subraxas]

It can and it will. Jadzia Dax and Seven of Nine will shortly ring your doorbell. :-)

[@dominiklehn2866]

Exactly my thought process when the intro switched(title was too long,didn't fully show)

[@Metallica4Life92]

1. Borg Cube 2. Borg Cube 3. Borg Cube 4. You will be assimilated. 5. Resistance is futile.

[@Kyronea]

You undoubtedly know this but I'm saying it anyway: The Borg Cube (and all other Borg vessels) are not Federation starships.

[@RR-hp5po]

No inclusion of Borg Sphere's

[@badmf7551]

Assilimated? Hugh, me?

[@DForce26]

Janeway entered the chat

[@funky-puppet]

Till the Cube came across a Species 8472 battleship.

[@kazekamiha]

It's telling that the Galaxy Class was feared by anyone opposing the Federation... And it wasn't a warship. When they started making dedicated warships, bricks must have been shat.

[@Luciferdesrea]

When they did convert it to a Warship something like ten more phaser arrays were added along with three more forward torpedo launchers and an additional one on the back.

[@YouTubecanbitemyhairybanger]

Kaze Kami did they though? I mean yes they feared the Enterprise but every other galaxy class representation has seen them torn through as memory serves. It’s basically a cruise ship with enough guns to make pirates think twice

[@YouTubecanbitemyhairybanger]

Luciferdesrea yeah speaking of that where is the galaxy x Dreadnought class in this list? I mean it gets mentioned but 17 phaser arrays 3 torp launchers twin phaser cannons the massive phaser lance and CLOAKING. The galaxy x deserves its own place on this list

[@YouTubecanbitemyhairybanger]

Stealth Customs Corporation who rattled your cage asshole? I said nothing to you and didn’t come close to mentioning that JJ Trek abortion from the worst Trek HANDS DOWN. So call me an idiot again for not interacting with you or acknowledging the warm steaming pile of shit that is JJ Trek and for that matter your opinion.

[@heledor7254]

@Stealth Customs Corporation at the start Spacedock says its on ships from the original star trek timeline, the vengeance is from the kelvin (JJ) timeline.

[@RCfromtheNYC]

USS Prometheus: We're the baddest ship in the quadrant! USS Defiant, after being fitted with a trilithium weapon: Hold my cloak....

[@1JackTorS]

Oberth Class. The deadliest Federation starship. To its own crew.

[@SFRobertsDickClarke]

Miranda class in Dominion war era takes a close second...

[@swirlershark-dragon8393]

I always think the Oberth class looks like either a hand blender or s 'personal massager'. 😉

[@Stellar001100]

When you really need to scrape the bottom of the barrel, the Oberth's got you covered. Made quite literally out of explodium-235.

[@swirlershark-dragon8393]

Oberth and Discovery one from 2001 have similar looks, at least up front

[@jackdaone6469]

It relied on transports to move between primary and secondary hull. What a wonderful idea, having crucial transportation reliant on systems that could fail at the worst possible time with no backup way to move between hulls on-foot! /sarcasm

[@cujoedaman]

"That's a Galaxy-class starship. We are no match for them." - B'etor, Star Trek: Generations. One of my other favorite lines from the movie, even though they cheated to take it down :D

[@danielhaire6677]

In combat, if you are not cheating, you are not trying.

[@nicholausberens3231]

@@danielhaire6677 And if you get caught, you didn't try hard enough.

[@sklaWlivE]

Riker: "You're outmatched, you're out manned, you're outgunned...what do you have left?" Worf: "...Guile." Riker and Worf getting ready to pimp slap both the ENT-D and a Ferengi D'Kora-class Mercantile Raider with the half-scrapped 50+ year old mothball'd USS Hathaway.

[@theendistheend123]

I loved that line too. Instead of ship sjust firing and the battle goes as the story needs it to go, they admitted BEFORE the fight they have no chance. Then gained a huge edge with the visor trick. taking the audience on the whole journey. I loved it.

[@theendistheend123]

Also the line, "he must be the only engineer in starfleet that doesnt GO to engineering!"

[@pgwchaos]

How about the Oberth class? That ship ended up killing a lot of people. :D

[@michaelopnv634]

The Oberth class was very good at killing people... Now if they would direct it towards the enemy instead...

[@allnamesaretakenful]

Cast Donate, targeting your opponent, and give them permanent control of the Oberth Class ship. After a few turns, it explodes, killing the controller of it.

[@Ty-yt3lj]

Yes... just not enemies

[@DaytonaRoadster]

*coughs in Miranda*

[@Ty-yt3lj]

Brass 'n Barrels Firearms Channel you say that like the pocket Connie exploded after 1 shot

[@bifrost1377]

man, the Sovereign was so beautiful, fell in love with it the second the movie started.

[@austinperry1671]

My ship of choice in Star Trek online.

[@christianthatcher771]

@Bifrost A ship so powerful, it even summoned the Bifrost in a comment section once....

[@hobomike6935]

It’s introduction was great. They just kinda had it slowly ease up into view, it was reminiscent of Star Trek: the motion picture where the shuttle slowly brings the ship into frame, without the 10 minute cut of showing it from different angles

[@svenschwingel8632]

@@austinperry1671 same here. The legendary Miracle Worker version is my go-to on almost every character.

[@benlaskowski357]

I love the Akira: it's basically a GUNSHIP.

[@sagesheahan6732]

Its a carrier gunship. This is probably the federation's best answer to a Battlestar.

[@BamaChad-W4CHD]

No no. "Heavy Escort" lol

[@benlaskowski357]

@@BamaChad-W4CHD Technically it's a heavy cruiser.

[@sagesheahan6732]

@@benlaskowski357 ...🤔 A heavy escort flight-deck cruiser? Could also use the Russian term Carrier-cruiser. Hell, that even makes some technical sense. Still, one must also remember that this is a federation starship, with science labs... I mean, all of the above. The Akira truly is a glorious design. I'd captain one. ✋

[@benlaskowski357]

@@sagesheahan6732 Agreed. But only if it was the U.S.S. Challenger. As in the shuttle. 🙏😔

[@adrianoromano4598]

Star Trek: "We're on a mission of peace and exploration..", KZbin: "The 5 Deadliest Federation Starships"

[@Forevermist]

@Jim Barrows Funny thing is, I thought the Federation was an alliance of races? So technically, with these all being human ships, they are actually Starfleet starships?

[@LavenderSunrise]

When diplomacy fails, there's only one alternative. _Violence_

[@zacharywood5090]

the universe is a dangerous place : )

[@Darktrik001]

People like to see things destroyed. It's human nature.

[@sagesheahan6732]

@@Forevermist From how I understand the lore, it was basically agreed upon that the species allied with Earth after the Romulan War that they would pool all of their technologies together when building starships, with the Vulcan Navy, the Andorian guard, and similar agencies of member Federation worlds being folded into Starfleet, because Earth was chosen as the Federation capitol since, it was Earth that helped form the coalition of races that halted the Romulan advance and the stabilization of the region. It was agreed upon to generally use Starfleet ship designs, but you often see and hear of starship designs by other races in Starfleet when sifting through lore, or ships entirely cured by a race that's not humans such as the USS T'Kumbra which is crewed entirely by Vulcans. and when going through the movies and series as a whole you'll bump into the complaint that Starfleet and the Federation often seems to be human centric. In essence, it's a little bit more complicated and nuanced.

[@aibohphobe]

"With real multi-vector action, electronic lights and sounds, and authentic battle damage, it's the Prometheus class."

[@jblitzen]

lmao

[@NealCEdwards]

They left off "with kung-fu grip!!"

[@kyriss12]

Merchandising is pretty much the only reason stuff like that exists. Otherwise you could just attack with more than one ship with the same effectiveness.

[@filanfyretracker]

Antimatter not included.

[@johnrhines6626]

but where's the bathroom?

[@fracturedraptor7846]

The Dreadnought was an interesting design choice. Aside from sporting cloaking tech its primary weapon was devastating and then some. Imagine if they managed to shrink that down to phaser bank size or phaser cannon operable. Honestly I'm surprised the Federation doesn't have some sort of dedicated missile boat. Something with extreme range that can just hammer the daylights of whatever pisses them off that day.

[@joeclaridy]

The Dreadnought is my favorite ship from all Star Trek universes and timelines. If it was in the Prime timeline it would've been the first purpose built warship as well as the first purpose built heavy warship. It had it all speed, maneuverability, too many weapons (which is a good thing) and as you mentioned the cloaking device. She truly was a beauty.

[@EVAUnit4A]

_"Honestly I'm surprised the Federation doesn't have some sort of dedicated missile boat."_ The _Akira_ class easily tops the list of Starfleet ships with _fifteen_ independent torpedo launchers (but oddly only five phaser strips). Alex Jaeger literally designed it for _ST First Contact_ as a torpedo boat mixed with a spacecraft carrier (though we never saw the forward-facing launch bays in use nor what types of fighter craft they carried).

[@jeffkadlec8264]

I really enjoyed the last sentence!!

[@dariusgreysun]

The steamrunner class is

[@EVAUnit4A]

@@dariusgreysun "Steamrunner", perhaps...?

[@bluefalconssuck5881]

A Brit having problems with separation??? Go figure. 😂🤣

[@keithjackson4985]

Lol 😂😂😂

[@NealCEdwards]

I see what you did there!!

[@keithjackson4985]

@@NealCEdwards I'm going to sound like a complete nerd. Oh well. I hate the number 1! Just on the way it looks! The E is just to cool! That's the ship I'd wanna serve on. Even if I was the maintenance sanitary engineer.

[@sinisterminister6478]

@Blue Falcons suck Thank you. That gave me a much needed laugh.

[@NealCEdwards]

@@keithjackson4985 It's a cool ship, but gimme a Defiant any day of the week!

[@kingsolomon673]

Hey Eck it seems like Spacedock hacked your KZbin account

[@sagesheahan6732]

I approve, and hope they do more collaborations. XD

[@BatteredWalrus]

Oof it's been a while since I've seen a pic of the Godzilla NES creepypasta XD

[@davidbailey3333]

robert i know its been 5 m but was you smoking crack when you made this comment or has you mind just went warp 5 into the sun

[@tetefather]

I totally share your sentiment about the majestic Sovereign class. Just wanted to provide some more insight into her awesome power. In the book "Battle of Betazed" we get to read about how Enterprise E led a special attack on the occupied Betazed system. It was defended by 2x Dominion battlecruisers, 6x Cardassian Galor cruisers, 4x Jem'Hadar attack ships. The relief battlegroup consisted of the Enterprise E and 3x Saber class escorts. The Enterprise wiped the floor with them, took out 2x galor class with a masterful alpha strike. 1 battlecruiser remained when the Defiant came to help. It was a glorious battle.

[@martinsimek3963]

That sounds like a huge exaggeration of the ship strength though (by the book). Not backed up by anything seen on screen.

[@SeemsLikeSomething]

Enterprise E really is a pure beauty. Whoever designed that deserves a raise. I didn’t think there was a way to design a new enterprise that wowed me enough but they somehow managed.

[@JoJoRogain]

Enterprise: Ship-of-the-Line Enterprise-D: Xavier's Armchair Enterprise-E: King Cobra, missed Enterprise-F: ISS Terran Goth Chick

[@titanu9188]

Complains about the Prometheus class lasting 200 years. * Miranda class has left the chat.

[@AndorRadnai]

Excelsior class: sweating nervously

[@thebighurt2495]

Well, the Miranda at least had the justification of having been built as an inexpensive, Modular Jack-of-all-trades from the ground up. It was the Honda Civic of Starfleet. The Prometheus is a Lamborgini and those only last until the next model comes out and they end up as scrap being used to make more Civics.

[@sardonicspartan9343]

@@thebighurt2495 you know nothing about cars.

[@thebighurt2495]

@@sardonicspartan9343 So... the Prometheus ISN'T a high-end performance model completely overengineered for everyday work? The Miranda ISN'T a straightforward, unflashy vehicle meant to do a simple job cost-effectively?

[@noneyadamnbusiness6891]

@@thebighurt2495 Civic is hardly a jack of all trades, more like a point A to B person transport that can carry some groceries. It can't do any real work. You want Jack-of-All-Trades.. the Ford F150 (or a good ol farm truck) is probably a better analogy. That being said Lambos that end up as scrap were those given to idiot rich kids with no brains. Lambos generally last a pretty long time and are not designed to be a daily driver. Only morons use them for that. Lamborghinis are collectors items, something meant to be fast, look good and be a treasure in your collection for generations. Miranda is your grandad's ol pick-up that refuses to die, Prometheus is what happens when you let a 16 year old get a hold of a Honda Civic and some money.

[@pwnmeisterage]

"Who's the Captain of that rusty old toothless fat-bellied ghetto spacebarge?" "Khan." "Put it on the list of Deadliest Federation Starships."

[@daverage4729]

Hah! Love it! Ghetto spacebarge... :)

[@susanatondo5889]

- Deep Breath - KHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAN

[@vytas5584]

Yeah it's totally about the kapitan. Even if they don't think in 3D when in space...

[@pluto8261]

I am very fond of this "spacedock" next time he shall do my personal star destroyer.

[@Core-1948]

I believe he did Vader’s 1st so...

[@adrpals2324]

Give me a Defiant Class war ship any day to defend the Federation. That is my kind of ship.

[@hobomike6935]

It's not very nice on the inside, though. The Galaxy was classy and felt like a fancy hotel that could still kick butt. On the defiant, you have to sleep in a wall cutout like a peasant.

[@marleyjr00]

Facts. In stop never upgraded ships once I got my Defiant class. Flew around in it till the end of the Ikonian war.

[@lazarus8472]

@@hobomike6935 It's not designed to be classy. It's designated as a warship so think of it more along the lines of a Klingon bird of prey. Compact. Minimal crew. No civilian sectors. Limited exploration systems. It gets in, does heavy damage, and gets out. They're an excellent attack ship that are incredibly durable and pack insane firepower for their size. Defiant class ships pack as much firepower as most cruisers for their time.

[@alluringming]

I liked the defiant, i thought of it as the birdof prey for the federations. If federation coudlnt make a fully clocked vessel, i thought perhaps they created a stealth system instead.

[@danielm6049]

Small and feisty. What's not to love?

[@estherholt8435]

I love how you guys flip flop around.

[@matanuskabutler7566]

"The Prometheus is horribly teenagerish..." *it doesn't look that bad...* "It even splits into three..." *ok, you win...*

[@datruepoet]

@Michael Aldredge-Greenwell Go go Power Rangers!!!!LOL

[@dsandoval9396]

Yeah, I didn't think it was that bad looking, ...and then it split into 3 and I was, "ah, okay." Remove the 3 parts and it would be nice. Hell, even just if it split in 2 it would've looked way better.

[@justinweiand6153]

Dreadnought class. USS Vengance

[@darkmatter1152]

@@justinweiand6153 prometheus rapes vengeance

[@Thurgosh_OG]

@@justinweiand6153 different universe and older tech, so no on both counts.

[@classicforreal]

*expecting Lore Reloaded and his signature style, 10% stuff people already know, 90% SFDebris quality sarcasm* I’ve been bamboozled! Not that Spacedock is bad I love Spacedock too.

[@hyrinshratu]

I love when they do this kind of thing. Makes it feel like a shared cinematic universe.

[@nadohawk]

Lore Reloaded is more like 10%, 60%, and 30% finding some ridiculous new way to complain about Voyager.

[@swishfish8858]

@@nadohawk Don't forget that obligatory "bitch at and troll your audience about an opinion they disagree with" and the occasional unnecessary jab at Discovery. Can't be Lore Reloaded without those things.

[@LoreReloaded]

Its like looking at my channel in text form.. love it..

[@LoreReloaded]

@Diamond Frostmane But i am observant of things :)

[@MVRugby]

"I mean how many Icarus' and Prometheus' needs to blow up before we clock on to the fact that this is a bad idea" LMFAO

[@christophermitchell7001]

After the odd success of the Prometheus Class there was the Antigone Class and the Oedipus Class; both of which had issues working with the other ships in the Star Fleet family.... and then , of course, There was the short lived Sisyphus Class , but Star Fleet just couldnt keep the ball rolling on that one.

[@Surtwo]

Then of course was the Tantalus Class, which could never quite reach its design goals...

[@christophermitchell7001]

@@Surtwo And the Minotaur Class which got lost in a maze of red tape.

[@jossgoyanko7006]

The Achilles class performed astonishingly well until someone discovered it's crippling weak point.

[@christophermitchell7001]

@@jossgoyanko7006 It was a Herculean effort to clean out the bugs in the Augean Class's systems but eventually it got done.

[@ceilyurie856]

@@jossgoyanko7006 you joke but there actually is an Achilles class

[@GamerFromJump]

The _Enterprise-D_ must have had massive amounts of automation for having only 1,000 crew. By contrast, the US Navy’s _Gerald R. Ford_ carries a crew of 2,600, and that’s _with_ our own advancements in automation. No wonder the _Enterprise_ crew gets quarters the size of a suite at the Hyatt.

[@DirkWilldenrocks]

Don't forget though that the Ford has to host the air and ground crews for up to 90 aircraft as well. The Enterprise-D had a few shuttles but otherwise it's crew are to fly and fight the ship alone, not the ship and a full fighter wing, an attack wing and multiple other aircraft. And the airport they all need to take off from and land on.

[@Lonewolf2617]

It wasnt designed to be a warship but Voyager after Janeway came back from the future with alll her tech could make it count as a bad ass warship

[@diec1290]

True but even the original Voyager displayed the endurance of a warship during the whole show. It took lots of damage and still worked.

[@rlj151]

@@diec1290 it was an A10 Warthog. And I agree. And it should have been in the list.

[@tonyv8925]

Also, Seven of Nine helped in integrating Borg technology into Voyager which made it a hybrid, more oriented towards battle than exploration.

[@Alovatololo]

Idk what to say. I might be blinded by bias since it was my first series but Voyager probably is the deadliest. It's hard to find a ship that has killed or destroyed more. And if you want to measure deadliness then you have to count the dead.

[@hobomike6935]

@@Alovatololo I'm actually ok with Voyager fans saying they liked the voyager better than the enterprise. I grew up with TNG, so I'm a 1701-D man all the way. but by the time of star trek:voyager I admit the galaxy class was a bit elderly and she needed some younger, spritelier ships to step in and take the reigns. Can't have the classic ships on the front lines all the time, gotta spice things up and have variety to keep the enemy guessing.

[@notaclerk1]

The Prometheus brings its own swarm attack. You saw such an attack on the borg cube in first contact...multiple ships attacking all at once with different weapons probably different energy frequencies. This one ship could accomplish that ...tho I'm certain more than 1 would be needed to kill a cube. But the idea is sound with any ship especially the borg as the more damage done to weaken the ship the better.

[@QuantaSolace]

I'll be honest. I love the design of the Prometheus but only when it is one ship and not split into three. It splitting into three separate ships is the dumbest thing ever.

[@vytas5584]

I know man just think you would have to have a coke machine, toilets, canteen - in every single section! Waste...

[@benjimain6]

@@vytas5584 How about 3 outer hulls that take up space as well. Possibly mulitple warpcores in order to have every ship sustain warpspeed or remain powered during battle. There's so much wrong with it x)

[@bigbeech]

What is so dumb about it? Variety is power.

[@hobomike6935]

I laughed so hard because I had never heard of this ship until I watched this video. Splitting into 3 ships had my jaw hanging lol

[@AndorRadnai]

@@bigbeech Good question actually..!

[@daveh7720]

I've never heard "deviantart" used as a perjorative before. But I think you nailed it.

[@thegreatkwyjibo5529]

Armored Voyager in Endgame and Enterprise J: "Are we a joke to you?"

[@siggyodom955]

I concur.

[@admiralsquatbar127]

The Enterprise J looks like a pizza cutter.

[@ddragotecze8301]

@@admiralsquatbar127 :D

[@retluoc]

I agree with the armored Voyager, but that's cheating 😁

[@SantomPh]

They were both from possible futures so they are kind of imaginary in that world.

[@SteamPunkPsyco]

My favorite description of the Enterprise was in Star Trek 3, when one of Kruge's men called the Enterprise a "Federation Battle Cruiser". Serious respect.

[@macycola3224]

That's was in the 23rd century when even a Ferengi cruiser could be considered as a "battle cruiser".

[@id7505]

Galaxy class was feared in it's own time. I remember several TNG episodes where various factions were afraid of mere sight of Galaxy class appearing somewhere.

[@hobomike6935]

Heck yeah dude. those were some of the federation's finest. They weren't even equipped for battle but could still make enemies think twice about trying to push starfleet around.

[@ggsimmonds1]

I both loved that factor and also felt it limited storytelling options. The Galaxy class was the flagship, its like a Nimitz class aircraft carrier. When one of those show up it is headline news worthy. We can also point to how big of a deal it was that the Dominion destroyed one. Stuff like that is great for universe building. The problem comes when the show is centered around such a ship and you have to find new ways to create drama and have the feeling that the ship is in danger. I think TNG did fairly good job at this, but there is the trap of feeling like you always have to raise the stakes until you reach a point of absurdity and everyone is like "how did we get here?" (think ST:O and every damn SW movie lol)

[@lucielm]

@@jkeelsnc I don't think a Galaxy class could survive what Voyager went through. An Akira or sovereign of course, but the Galaxy I think not.

[@RonJohn63]

@@ggsimmonds1 if Galaxies are flasgships, why didn't they have flag officers?

[@ggsimmonds1]

@@RonJohn63 Two answers. A galaxy class was the flagship, but not all galaxy classes were flagships. Second answer, ST misuses the flagship designation. For ST what they call flagship is more of a "pride of the fleet"

[@geminiengine2719]

I’m disappointed Daniel. There were TWO confused medical holograms controlling the Prometheus. But yeah that ships dumb.

[@DIEGhostfish]

One of those medical holograms was played by the utterly disgusting waste of air Andy Dick, so he doesn't count.

[@soljafon]

@@DIEGhostfish i was confused at 1st but now i see why...

[@100_American_Bison]

Yay Prometheus class , but what’s competing for #1 is the Arbiter class battlecruiser

[@still_guns]

Daniel's logic: This ship that had hours of thought and design go into in, as well have some good screen time is rubbish! (Prometheus) But this thing that is a horrific Frankenstein's monster, and had no meaningful screen time is awesome! (Yeager)

[@sim.frischh9781]

Only one confused hologram controling the ship, the second confused hologram was standing in the rear comlpaining XD

[@vortexspinner4470]

The most feared sight for me was witnessing two Constellation class starships acting as outriders and controlling a Doomsday machine into battle, in "Shattered universe." Now that's what l call a fearsome combination.

[@Pathfinder118]

I remember one of the books mentions that the akira testbed ship the "Thunderchild" had something like 40 forward torpedo tubes, meaning she could empty her entire arsenal in just a handful of salvos, and that the class was never meant to enter production it was always just a one off testbed till the borg showed up. Oh and yes its a reference to the torpedo ram HMS Thunderchild from war of the worlds.

[@charleskuckel3173]

Like some other posts here, I think the Enterprise NCC-1701-D retrofitted in "ALL Good Things" was the MOST badass starship. THREE warp nacelles, Federation cloaking device, Warp 13 capable (violates Star Trek Canon BUT the episode IS alternate timeline) as well as a linear phaser canon to Ginsu slice and dice Klingon warships was AWESOME.

[@DavidRLentz]

Warp 13 obviously could not have violated Star Trek canon for the simple fact that it occurred in a Star Trek presentation. The internal explanation is quite straightforwardm The warp factors in the original series were cubed: warp 3 is 27c (that is 27 × the speed of light), warp 6 is 216c, and the like. In TNG, with the improvements of warp technology, warp factors were measured in a logarithmic scale. In "All Good Things", Starfleet engineers simply reworked their maths (the scale in the TNG timeline had become unwieldy, with several ships reaching warp 9.66, others 9.75, and beyond) to allow for the higher integers. These in turn enabled the crews to express velocity in metrics one could understand.

[@kylealexander7024]

Voyager in the last 2 episodes was far stronger

[@cathibewley8028]

You get a like just because what you said about Defiant, Sisko's Motherfu**in Pimp Hand

[@guywithdacap4713]

Sisko is a war criminal!

[@rainangel159]

@ValorJ Omega since i saw it, the miranda class has always been one of my favorite ships. I love how it looks😎 may she "live long and prosper"🖖

[@sagesheahan6732]

A Defiant class would curb stomp a Miranda with spiked sole lead boot. the Miranda might be better looking, but the point of it is not to win any beauty contests when it comes to combat. Pulse Phasers, Quantum Torpedoes, Ablative Armor, high maneuverability, cloak. Give me the Sisko Pimphand ANY day of the week, versus the Miranda which seems be not much more than cannon fodder for the Dominion.

[@guitarfan01]

@@guywithdacap4713 I really hope that's a Greatest Generation reference.

[@davidkranenburg2497]

As a 15-year-old who loves Voyager lemme just say that I completely agree.

[@vytas5584]

I'm surprised you guys are into these old shows! I am 34 and I watched Voyager when I was your age haha

[@StArShIpEnTeRpRiSe]

Yeah, Prometheus was my favorite when I was 15. (As well as Defiant and Enterprise-E) Now I'm too close to 30, but it's still one of my favorites. Nothing changed.

[@Scottoest]

What about that dopey future Enterprise-D Riker commanded, that had three warp nacelles? It seemed to make pretty quick work of the Klingons.

[@mattevans4377]

Possible not counted as it's an alternate timeline?

[@donaldwilliamson4150]

Good point

[@moffant4916]

Loved that ship.

[@captin3149]

I would assume that it would be included in the 'future refits' that he was speaking about.

[@UncleScorch]

Scottoest agreed - that is one awful looking craft.

[@kiranchochinov2757]

God I love the Akira class maybe my favourite federation vessel of all time

[@Ebilcake]

It's a carrier though, which makes no sense at all. It's the Federation equivalent of the Battlestar Galactica and that's just stupid.

[@luisarruda3061]

@Shocky May i ask why you think so? In my opinion, the Akira-class is just the perfect embodiment of the Federation’s multi-mission ship design philosophy. Can perform all the same missions of discovery and exploration as well as any science ship. Packs one hell of a punch(15 torpedo tubes and a huge payload of torpedoes aren’t a pushover). And it’s larger-than-normal hangar bay can be very useful for transporting extra shuttles or during evacuation/humanitarian missions.

[@hobomike6935]

@@luisarruda3061 I'm with you, the Akira class was like the spritual Successor to the _Excelsior Class_ starships; it could be an exploratory ship, a science vessel, an attack ship, a frigate, a Medical transport, or even a Ship-of-the-Line. At it's debut, it acted as the _De-facto_ backbone of the fleets and was a straight upgrade to most of the ships currently in service that weren't brand new.

[@nmlepage]

Bahahahaha your entire rant on the prometheus is wonderful.

[@dova117]

I reckon the Akira's deadlier than the Defiant One of it's onscreen moments was to hold off three D'Deridex class warbirds while two Defiants secure the USS Prometheus At this point in time, the D'Deridex was considered a terrifying nightmare, and one Akira was going to do a 3v1 on them

[@martinsimek3963]

I would say it was more like 3v3. And quite bold from the Starfleet side, considering they thought Prometheus was under Romulan control

[@BrandonBlackmoor]

When did this happen on-screen? I would love to watch that.

[@martinsimek3963]

@@BrandonBlackmoor VOY : Message in a bottle

[@marksouthwell4490]

Not forgetting the Sabre class

[@joshuapierce5988]

Considering its technically a carrier as well its always been my favorite non hero ship in the star trek universe with the nx01 being my favorite hero ship

[@maesterdanteamadeus444]

I don't care about the other ships, Defiant Class all the way. ..... Admittedly, i've been playing a lot of STO so I may be biased by my ability to cloak then turn a cone of space into heavy phaser cannon death funnel while scattering several torpedoes down said death funnel.

[@benjamingrigsby9886]

STO?

[@maesterdanteamadeus444]

@@benjamingrigsby9886 Star Trek Online.

[@benjamingrigsby9886]

Maester Dante Amadeus Oh, thanks.

[@oathkeeper65]

I need to get the defiant on STO. My goto is the Dreadnaught Galaxy-X because super space death laser with 4 cannons is fun.

[@vickas54]

Haven't been playing STO, so noob question: are all Defiant-class ships cloakable? Are any other Starfleet ships cloakable in STO?

[@90lancaster]

When he was speaking about the most Deadliest Federation ships - I thought this was going to be a video about the Oberth Class or the Galaxy Class' habit of exploding if someone jogs an elbow on the wrong console.

[@vytas5584]

Those were the best for story setups! Helpless little science vessels

[@UGNAvalon]

“How many Prometheus’s ... have to blow up until we finally realize it’s a bad idea?!” *_Stargate PTSD flashbacks_*

[@goofygoober779]

The 1701-E absolutely stunning in its design! I made many drawings of it. It made me love space combat even more in this show than I already did! I really hope that one day we will get a new Enterprise worthy of the name on the big screen.

[@saadqureshi7127]

Prometheus is one my fav because of the multi-vector assault mode. Looks dope af with a sleek design imo and I'm 33 with a master's in business administration. The Prometheus is basically a Lamborghini.

[@Harudian]

You mean the tractor, right?

[@mattrountree.]

What does having a Masters in Business Administration degree have to do with your opinion on a science fiction ship?

[@therandomotaku3851]

From an engineering perspective, the Prometheus was a terrible idea. Splitting into three smaller ships is asking for a collision upon reconnecting. One hack to the docking protocol and bye bye starship. Plus reconnecting all parts leaves it exposed to weapons fire from cloaked vessels. And before anyone comes at me with "You cant fire through the cloak stupid", I have but one name to invalidate that argument: Scimitar.

[@saadqureshi7127]

@@mattrountree. because he is saying a 15 year old likes this ship. 🤷‍♂️ not just kids like this.

[@johnpatz8395]

When I saw the title my first thought was "deadliest" to the crew or the enemy?

[@coreymicallef365]

I think the Galaxy Class would top the list of being the deadliest to its own crew. I mean one of them created a hologram capable of hijacking the ship while running an entertainment program.

[@nadohawk]

Corey Micallef Oberth. Can’t recall a single one very more than two survived

[@coreymicallef365]

@@nadohawk Yeah when people shot at it though. The Galaxy class could conceivably be taken over by a simulated Skynet just because someone was a bit careless in their wording when they wanted to play a holodeck version of The Terminator.

[@augustusofprimaporta3721]

Corey Micallef, I don’t think the Galaxy class, or really any particular class is the deadliest to it’s crew; I think any ship named Enterprise is by default the deadliest. Seriously, I remember that the Enterprise-D was destroyed 16 times in one TNG episode

[@xavierprotocols]

Federation Exploding Consoles, standard equipment on all Federation ships. The console removes 20% of YOUR crew for each minute of battle, use at your own risk.

[@maxis2k]

The way you think of the Prometheus class is what I felt about the Enterprise-E when it was introduced in the movies. I'll take my Excelsior class. Still looks the most sleek and "Federation" out there. These post Borg ships are entering into gritty dystopia design.

[@macycola3224]

Didn't Sulu almost broke that ship twice in VI?

[@heavypen]

"With real multi-vector action, electronic lights and sounds, and authentic battle damage..." and "its named after a Greek tragedy" which really says all. LOL!

[@Assassinus2]

My favorite part of the episode with the Prometheus was the medical holograms muddling their way through dealing with the Romulans. The ship? Well, it's a great plot vehicle. I guess.

[@GeordieMcCabe]

I just watched this again today and my god I love the snark factor regarding the "winner". Forget faint praise, bring on Snark Praise! "Electronic lights and sounds, and authentic battle damage(tm)" GOLD!

[@cainabel6356]

I like the defiant class and Enterprise E Sovereign class.

[@EDChantry]

I like your mom

[@BamaChad-W4CHD]

I totally agree. Especially your comments on the Enterprise E. The sovereign class was an absolute beauty.

[@26th_Primarch]

Spacedock: * mentions Yeager-class * Lore Reloaded : REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

[@arielb5317]

People often forget to mention the Defiant's nose warhead. I've seen it in schematics as a final chance weapon but never referenced. Has any of that changed over the years?

[@scratch5120]

It would make worfs decision to ram the borg cube make more sense.

[@AmosTheTalented]

Good to see the Defiant was on the list, and not in last place as I was dreading. I just wish you added the metric size of each vessel, so as to get a visual idea of how they look in comparison.

[@cookeatliverepeat8815]

I loved the episode with the holograms fighting against the romulans on the prometheus. But what about the USS Titan commanded by Riker. I thought this was the ultimate badass warship in starfleet history.

[@craignewsome2058]

Can you breakdown the battle of Mandalore in the Yuuzhan Vong war and how The Mandalorians were the firstt people to beat the Yuuzhan Vong without any help #AskEck

[@RXdash78]

Ah the story of an heroic society of warriors who bravely tried to defend the galaxy from the mary sue society but were sadly rebuffed.

[@craignewsome2058]

@@RXdash78 uhh alright I guess what do you mean tho😂😂

[@Armoless]

@@craignewsome2058 I can tell you how they were the first. Because ....Mandalorians!

[@craignewsome2058]

@@Armoless well your not wrong there

[@razgriz501]

My personal favorite looking ship is the Excelsior NCC-2000.

[@Phrancis5]

Me too. It was sleek, but overly sleek - as if it were designed in a wind tunnel. It stylistically bridged the gap between TOS and TNG eras.

[@thejadedrabbitTJR]

Carter: Sir, we can't call it the Enterprise. o'neill: why not? Carter: the code name for the project is prometheus, what's wrong with that? oneill: it's a Greek tragedy who wants that?? Edit: wrong series ik but hey it works

[@Nighthawke70]

That and the studios will be all over you like a wet blanket.

[@blueclaws9894]

Thanks for that! Love SG1! Also this list must clearly not include ships from video games. There are several more powerful capital ships in the federation to kick the Galaxy class out of the top 5.

[@thejadedrabbitTJR]

@@blueclaws9894 true, like the odyssey class

[@Sidhecat]

SG1 and Farscape gave great shoutouts to Star Trek. They even managed to get Ben Browder and Claudia Black to play in both series.

[@blueclaws9894]

@@Sidhecat Love both of those series! Good Sci-Fi is hard to come by and they stood out as exceptional.

[@mikewood6528]

I thought the USS Vengeance, the Dreadnought Class starship seen in “Into Darkness” should have been ranked 1

[@mommynato445]

No Kelvin Timeline, Only Prime Timeline

[@schwerenevonyildi1315]

It would still be scary and powerful. The only reason why we didn't see the USS Vengeance in full glory is because she had a wrong captain who seemed so eager to start a war. Beautiful and Dangerous Ship. Wrong Captain(Admiral).

[@robinsunbird]

@@schwerenevonyildi1315 and it's section 31

[@roybray9041]

Still it was a pretty big ship and pretty mean looking

[@PaulusHistoricus]

Well, seeing as it's like almost 200 years before TNG, it wouldn't be that powerfull I guess.

[@deanderlp6892]

I am 22 and I love the Prometheus class because it definetly looks like a tactical thought ship class made to annihilate enemies without even give them the chance to think about what ship they are facing.

[@deanderlp6892]

Edit, now I am 23 and I still LOVE the Prometheus!

[@leezaard3944]

Yea, I dont have much issue with how it looks, I think it actually looks pretty cool and used to be my favorite ship, but I have to say the multivector assault mode seems kind of ridiculous even from an in-universe standpoint. I get it can surprise an enemy the first time when it splits into 3 peices, but they will eventually learn of the class and its abilities. I get that it can be beneficial to do damage from multiple sides, but just as good to have 3 ships or 1 very strong ship, not both. But everyone has their opinions, and I understand why many people love it.

[@davidburton4582]

Defiant class for me hands down.

[@YouTubecanbitemyhairybanger]

What about a galaxy x that launches a defiant class?

[@AlanSanchez-ww9qb]

But, for such a small ship, it does has a coffee machine in it, right?

[@Echowhiskeyone]

The Prometheus is a love/hate ship. I love the looks, but the multi-vector is one of the dumbest ideas ever in Star Trek. It has very few advantages and more disadvantages. But it looks so cool.

[@Lawinzer]

I find it would look better without the vectoring and with only 2 nacelles. otherwise its not bad looking

[@Galvars]

@@Lawinzer I take those 4 nacelles anytime but damn... that multi vector is dumb indeed. Throw it away, eliminate all those tiny nacelles and we can get a proper ship.

[@Bierstadt54]

"Dumbest ideas ever in Star Trek." I don't know, as much as we love Star Trek we have to admit the "Dumb Ideas" category is extremely competitive.

[@kentlindal5422]

That degree of system redundancy is kinda impressive

[@drksideofthewal]

Star Trek combat is all about keeping your strongest shield segment facing the enemy... impossible to do when the enemy can split in 3. "Well, why not just build 3 Saber class ships." Because Saber class ships are slow (relatively) and short range. The Prometheus was designed for deep space tactical assignments. Overall, it's no more ridiculous than the Galaxy class "let's evacuate our civilians onto a saucer with no warp drive" seperation.

[@andrewnash6121]

The Vengeance-class dreadnought is mighty too!

[@justinsjourney3224]

The enterprises D was an incredible design. SO beautiful.

[@Ben-ig3bf]

ValorJ Omega I love the look of the Giant sauce with the tiny drive section Hey V-Sauce drive section here

[@still_guns]

Daniel's logic: This ship that had hours of thought and design go into in, as well have some good screen time is rubbish! (Prometheus) But this thing that is a horrific Frankenstein's monster, and had no meaningful screen time is awesome! (Yeager)

[@VegetaLF7]

In fairness the Prometheus is the "I'm so kewl" self insert ship that is the best thing ever and all that, so of course it is a terrible ship. The Yeager is an ugly bastardization of a vessel and is literally two ships slammed together to kitbash a quick background ship and because of that and the fact it isn't really meant to be anything serious, it has a charm to it.

[@still_guns]

In fairness, I don't agree

[@MediumRareOpinions]

The prometheus committed the most brazen of sins. It out shone the hero ship, which unless your shows hero ship is deliberately placed as being old or small among a larger fleet is a very poor way to introduce a ship to an audience. To show up suddenly, out perform the star ship of the show by such magnitude in short screen time is to appear every bit the fanfiction self insert character in a show where ships are main characters in their own right.

[@Generalscorpio]

@@MediumRareOpinions Well there is something to that idea that the main ship is out of date, Voyager starts with them looking for the Maquis, it's several seasons in that they here about the Dominion war and that war was the one that forced a major rethink of the "we-don't-believe-in-warships" philosophy. So actually I think it's acceptable to have the Prometheus be better than Voyager.

[@biscuitninja]

You keep forgetting about the defiant ablative armor. Plus the ridiculously large engine for its size.... "Cisco's Pimp Hand"

[@sixtoplacencia3576]

And a strong pimp hand it is

[@MrMephiston]

Although it may not have had the newer weapons or armour as your #1, The Enterprise D while equipped with the Phasing Cloaking Device has crazy potential as an offensive vessel.

[@russward2612]

I'll go one better, a meta-phasic, phase cloak. You can hide INSIDE A STAR. Warp out on an attack vector and have a plasma weapon of cosmic power... Eat that Starkiller base.

[@sliphstream4927]

It's probably a cheat but I would throw voyager on there once complimented with Borg technology and future federation tech

[@ShatteredGlassUnicron]

This crossover was a surprise to be sure, but a welcome one. And I'd like to thank Daniel for introducing me to my new favorite Star Trek design (Forgot its' name, but it was the ship that used a Intrepid saucer attached to a marki ship's body), then introducing me to my NEW new favorite! The Prometheus! :P

[@TheOtherNeutrino]

Shattered Glass Unicron 7:58

[@ShatteredGlassUnicron]

TheOtherNeutrino Well now I feel stupid for forgetting that! :P

[@Phil0815able]

But what about the upgraded Voyager? I know it was not built this way but still, this thing delivered some serious ass whooping.

[@thomasjoelcarter3257]

exactly, by the time voyager came out of the delta quadrant it had picked up some major power and efficiency upgrades, even without the added futuristic technology, taken all into account id place voyager anywhere from 3rd to 5th

[@flyhouseoftruth470]

My money would be on the Voyager with one change. Put Major Kira in command. Sorry Janeway, but in a battle, there's no one better than Kira. Step down to the position of Kira's first officer.

[@scooterdooter]

But the captain was a girl and a girl once said no to Eckhart so now all girls must be ignored

[@austinboylan5476]

I personally disagree. I’d easily take the Defiant over Voyager. We never saw Voyager in a war scenario against enemies like the Dominion and it seemed to get torn apart against single enemies, let alone dozens. This is all opinion-based, but the Defiant is easily my favorite. Plus Kira is already on board ;)

[@Phil0815able]

Endgame Voyager took out a Borg cube with one torpedo, none of the ships in this list was capable of such a feature. I don't know what you guys have seen but for me this makes here way more powerful than any federation starship we have seen which is not from the future.

[@alpharius3045]

The Jaeger class looks like the demon love child of the Miranda class and a Klingon bird of prey

[@ggsimmonds1]

Its a kitbash of a Voyager class and a Maquis Raider. Might be obvious to some though lol

[@slojoe58]

Does the future Enterprise under Admiral Riker from "All Good Things count? It could cloak, had 3 nacelles, and a powerful phaser mounted underneath the saucer section that cut thru a Klingon battleship like a hot knife thru butter!

[@erinasherton8411]

slojoe58 That’s The enterprise-d re-fit, I think That It Could Count also.

[@pepperVenge]

Never see a Galaxy class Mark II in anything that wasn't a vision of the future, or canon, so I don't think it would count.

[@xheralt]

I headcanon figured out how the Sovereign-class and the trireme refit could exist at the same time. Long story short, with construction shifting to Sovereigns, the suddenly-obsoleted Galaxies were seconded to a non-starfleet spacefaring agency (UESPA?). The agency prefers three-nacelle rigs, and modifies all ships it gets from 'Fleet, once 'Fleet stopped building triremes such as the Federation and Foley-class Dreadnaughts, or the Ascension-class Escort Dreadnaughts. 'Fleet didn't regard Ent-D's saucer as economical to recover but this other agency (with a long history of having to scrounge for equipment) did; the saucer was retrieved, reconditioned, and mounted to a new trireme (three-nacelle) hull that had no saucer of its own. Before the Enterprise markings (and transponders) could be modified, the ship (call it, oh, UESPA _Andromeda Ascendant_ ) was pressed into service out of drydock, commandeered by ADM Riker for an "extinction-level" emergency (aka "All Good Things..."). If it made it back to its native timeline intact, it would be properly re-registered under its new name before (re)entering service.

[@pepperVenge]

@@xheralt I disagree with virtually everything you say here.. First of all, why would there be 2 USS Enterprise's in service at the same time like you imply? That is entirely idiotic considering the confusion that would create. Second, why would the Galaxy class starship be obsolete after only 20 years of service? Regardless of the existence of the Sovereign class ship, Galaxies are still very powerful and very capable ships which are designed, built, and maintained to explore space (which is the purpose of Starfleet) and to operate for 140 years according to Star Trek technical manuals. How, or Why, would this Enterprise D Mark II make it back to the normal timeline from the timeline that Q created, and Picard ended? How can anything transfer from one timeline to the next without being the focal point, i.e. the thing that caused the alternate timeline to begin with..?? That makes such little sense, I have to wonder if you even thought that through. And if Starfleet did give up all their Galaxy class ships, which I'm sure they wouldn't do being only a 20 year old design, why would they give them to a civilian organization? Galaxy class ships are immensely powerful ships that can be perverted into immensely powerful warships, or weapons, so it would be negligent to allow them to fall out of Starfleet Security's jurisdiction. There's also the fact that Galaxy class ships weren't designed for civilian use, they were designed for deeps space exploration, so what use would they serve in any civilian organization? There are very likely passive ship designs that work better for civilian needs, not to mention easier to obtain and maintain. Why would a civilian ship need phaser banks, photon launchers, long range sensors, stellar cartography labs, science labs (when there are civilian science ships).. I could go on and on, but I think the point should be clear. Starfleet would also be foolish to let all those raw materials go, as Galaxy class ships are so large, they contain a lot of metal and other valuable components that can be recycled. They could be disassembled and melted down for use in construction of other ships. And in "...All Good Things," it was clearly implied that Riker engaged in a rescue mission for Picard and the others, not to go on PIcards extinction level emergency. And the 3 nacelle Galaxy class ship is known as the Galaxy class Mark II, not the "Trireme" refit. I'd be interested to know where you got that from.

[@roberth.skorpen6823]

The best warship would be a highly modified Defiant Class with the upgraded Voyager weaponry and shield technology from the future. Making it moderately bigger for more powerfull engines and increasing the total amount of weaponry, but still retaining the impressive manuverability. And of course improved cloaking technology with the ability to fire whilst staying cloaked. A fraction of the size of most classes, meaning shorter buildtime and can be mass produced in a short period of time. A fleet of 50 Super Defiant Class ships would be quite intimidating.

[@seven9766]

But at that point the show would get boring. Just like the 999th STO ISE raid gets boring. But one does what one needs to do for Omega marks.....

[@digdugdat2847]

You came for a Top 5. You got a Top 4 and an evisceration.

[@BrendanCaseybunga]

I absolutely love the rant. So spot on! The Prometheus is like someone tried to build an A-10 warthog with F-15 parts.

[@lucielm]

No, the Defiant class is the A-10.

[@watcherzero5256]

Missed one weapon off the Defiant, the forward nose section where the deflector is can be used as a massive missile utilising the torpedoes stored in that part of the ship as well as its kinetic energy as the warhead.

[@covingtonhalltown3730]

OK, try walking around without your nose and see how good you look.

[@Eradicator-jv9xr]

@@covingtonhalltown3730 they can't go to warp without it but that's where all the warheads are, so ye

[@davemittner5911]

Hey, I'm almost 40 and I still like the Prometheus...

[@TheGrandmaster1]

Same here Dave. Same here. First time I saw the Prometheus I damned near shit my pants. I probably was around 15 at the time. Now...I still think it is an insanely badass ship and I want one.

[@Rob_Cahill]

In STO , the T6 Hestia, looks better which is successor to it. It has a better look when not split in 3. I tend to agree with him it looks bad when separated. my taste in ships fits more into the defiant ship or star gazer for looks. I think it's not fair to attack people for liking a look.

[@atlanteean]

then you are lost!

[@victorselve8349]

Your talking Stargate Prometheus right? Please tell me you mean the BC 303 from Stargate and not the that thing. I mean it looks decent but just the entire concept is....

[@titanslayer4709]

Wow ppl are really toxic about very subjective thing as a fictional design

[@martinkupke2099]

For my taste the "Wells Class" (Relativity) is the most deadliest ship in Star Trek at the time. 1. Speed of more than warp 9.9 2. Can travel through the time to destroy ships and civilications at beginning.

[@ecliptorcalrissian5014]

The more holodecks a ship has, the deadlier it is, though the body count tends to be its own crew members... also, I love both the Prometheus AND your rant on why it sucks, and I don't know how to feel about that. But the Ent-E is definitely something special. On that, I think every Trek fan can agree.

[@nobodyyouknow1065]

I’m just gonna say it: Andy Dick was the EMH on the Prometheus and that alone makes it questionably canon at best.

[@XylaOXO]

As bad as you call the Prometheus Class the Reman Scimitar is worse.

[@BennyLlama39]

If i remember correctly, the only thing worse for sheer firepower were Borg ships.

[@HeadlessChickenTO]

At least the Scimitar seems to have been one of a kind, not streamlined for mass production. And the Borg was to be the Federation's more devastating nemesis where just the name was to put the fear of God in you with ships to match.

[@Keemperor40K]

@@HeadlessChickenTO They truly are that frightening. The only real reason the Borg never attack in strength is distance. Their main Empire is fairly far away even at Transwarp speeds. That is warp 11 or more in TNG scale. And anytime the borg appear on screen they are destroying ships left right and center and are only really defeated by concentrated firepower or by finding a critical weakness. And the Federation rarely faces more than 1 ship at a time.

[@HeadlessChickenTO]

@@Keemperor40K All true but that fear doesn't last long. The Borg only has a few cameos in TNG and no presence in DS9. But by Voyager, things got too complicated and ridiculous.

[@remo687]

The Scimitar was just an overgrown/overblown Jem'hadar battleship

[@MrStrikecentral]

The Defiant was the closest thing Starfleet came to making a fighter. For a great war party: For every other warship, you also have 2 Defiants. Make the enemy shit bricks, then eat said bricks. I like the design of the Prometheus, it just looks awesome! But yeah, the 'multi-vector' mode is ridiculous.

[@desertfoxcartoon]

The Federation did design and deploy fighters: memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Federation_attack_fighter memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Peregrine_class The Akira class could also be used as a light carrier: memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Akira_class

[@LeonCoretz]

The Defiant is more of a cutter or sloop (not quite a corvette) with really big guns.