Gotta be honest about Star Wars legends here folks

[@sulljoh1]

Aww! Thanks for answering my question, Eck! 🔥

[@frenzalrhomb6919]

See, he does love us!

[@ryanwaits6733]

My main problem is that it was easy to ignore stuff you didnt like in Legends. Its very hard to ignore the bad stuff in current Canon

[@ganderson3461]

Exactly this. Everyone forgets mad stuff like Hethrir and Waru. Heck, even Dark Empire was a bit bonkers. For me, it was all about the video games.

[@cloudmaster182]

Honestly I just read what I like and treat it like 2 timelines. Used to headcanon what could match but the differences are starting to be more pronounced

[@genedaniel6884]

Mostly because of time imo, Legends spanned from the late 70s until 2010, things were much more spread out and social media wasn’t constantly reminding you of the bad.

[@thedude4k]

Because the bad stuff was irrelevant unrelated novels. Now the bad stuff is the main movies.

[@andrewjenck9152]

Not really. If you don't like new Star Wars, you can just not watch it.

[@neofulcrum5013]

Yeah the vong are pretty edgy and by today’s standards, they probably would flow naturally in a universe like 40k. But I appreciate that they’re different as as an enemy. Continuously fighting the imperial warlords over and over gets played out pretty quick.

[@tehrulefoo]

The Vong are super interesting IMO and really helped shake things up. Been reading the New Jedi Order series. Really enjoying it so far.

[@mrzirak792]

Ngl i wish there was more of species like Vong in star wars. And by that i mean both bio-punk species, and species that look extra out of place because... Well, they are either from Unknown regions, other galaxy or other dimension. They only thing i may dislike os that, they are kind of ugly?

[@wolfgangervin2582]

Vong: "Our religion venerates pain." Dark Eldar: "Oh-ho-ho! This'll be F U N."

[@mrzirak792]

@@wolfgangervin2582 i haven't followed any recent Dark Elder lore, i basically know them because of Dawn of War, but aren't they all just basically Slaanesh followers but without worshiping Slaanesh itself? Like, they love feeling stuff, at the point they eat souls or something, use wacky battle drugs and feed of enemies pain?

[@corpsedesecrator2612]

They are really unique all Disney did was regurgitate nostalgia goyslop in a rehashed Empire 2.0 and since it was Palpatine it might as well just been the Empire. The NJO did something also unique in where we see The New Republic and the Imperial Remnants being opposing factions unite against this larger and grotesque threat!! The Yuuzhan Vong Wars cemented such Legacy after its end too not to mention from both powerful Sith like Darth Krayt and Darth Caedus being molded for the next stories to come. Overall it was great not to see the freakin Empire and Stormtroopers for once and also the Sith kinda taking a back seat on this one until the epic comeback with LOTF with Lumiya striking back and Darth Caedus and in FOTJ we get The Lost Tribe Of The Sith and Darth Krayt.

[@michaeutech9201]

Late 1980's... a very nerdy room, perhaps at adjacent to a SW event. 2 hard-core fans meet. One, an anthropologist studying Aztec culture. Two, a marine biologist fascinated by coral. From this unlikely romance, the Yuuzhan Vong are born.

[@AJadedLizard]

We actually know the genus of the Vong, or at least their name. It's a combination of Yunnan (for the Chinese restaurant the meeting happened at) and Zahn, as in Timothy Zahn, the father of the old EU.

[@unknownfromadam]

The two nerds story is badass, ngl.

[@Butterfly-ql4pg]

Somehow, this all still feels less silly than the Skywalker legacy being Palpatine's clone's daughter instead of Anakin's biological grandchildren

[@Seehwan-n5h]

because disney stupid introduced trash mary sue and that's not canon I missed skywalkers like jaina jacen etc

[@jeremyfields9009]

My problem with Disney Star Wars is that the grandchildren aren’t carrying on the Skywalker legacy. It’s just so stupid to kill the Skywalker blood line they are literally Star Wars. Now they’re stuck with a random protagonist nobody likes.

[@AlphaAurora]

Don't you find it ironic that the mainline trilogy for the Skywalker legacy ends up being a terrible facsimile of......Dark Empire.

[@quyiter]

The prequels had their issues, but the lore is solid and there was heart behind it. The Disney trilogy is corporate slop. And with $DIS stock being down -53% fanbois can't even argue the company isn't trash.

[@Seehwan-n5h]

@@jeremyfields9009 rey is palpatine and stole skywalker name that's very stupid she belong to garbage

[@jebuschroist5994]

I appreciate the Vong a lot because they just throw a massive curveball as opposed to the usual Star Wars formula we are used to.

[@Jeff55369]

I like them, purely from the aspect that the death star had a purpose other than just terrorizing the known galaxy.

[@TY-km8hj]

​@Jeff55369 That doesn't make sense tho cos the death star wasn't built to fight the vong, it was built to scare the galaxy into submission and ensure Sidious' hold on it. That was legit it's only purpose

[@epiczk0n141]

@@TY-km8hjIn Legends Palpatine was also aware of the Yuuzhan Vong, that’s why he sent Thrawn to the Unknown Regions to find them. Maul encountered and killed a Vong soldier before the Battle of Naboo, so the Emperor was well aware of their existence and the Death Star was not just a form of intimidation, but also an effective weapon against potential Vong invasion.

[@TY-km8hj]

@epiczk0n141 it's a massive misconception in the fandom that palpatine created the death star to "fight the vong" and it's nothing more than speculation on fans part due to him knowing of them prior to when the OT takes place. There's legit nothing in-universe whatsoever that indicated this was the reason for it's creation like at all. It doesn't make sense anyway cos the death star was a massive super laser that only fired once and needed to recharge before it could again which wouldnt be very useful in say a massive battle where it fires once and is then a massive sitting duck the the fleets gotta protect. Why would he want such a weapon to drain so many resources to be a one shot when those resources could be allocated to fleets which would be better at combating the vong? It's a line of thinking that completely falls apart once u acc think about it properly and do a bit of research into where this idea comes from. Like I said its speculation from fans, nothing that was ever confirmed. Maul merking that vong warrior was sick to read tho

[@raybarry4307]

@@jebuschroist5994 And how many times did some Imperial say to some rebel "Hey, ya know what would be really nice right now. A battle station WITH A SUPER LASER."

[@KaiserMattTygore927]

I'll take the Vong, the Warlods and even those goofy Ssi Ruuvi a million times over boring "Let's do Empire again but worse"

[@wellendowedplatypus9024]

To be fair, "Let's do Empire again but worse" was also done in the EU (I refuse to use the disney term "legends), twice, I think. And it sucked, at least the one I remember.

[@JMww2]

@@wellendowedplatypus9024 Yet there wasn't any cesure in the continuity, the empire still existed before palpatine came back (he created a imperial civil war between the parties once they captured coruscant to make place for himself) and although greatly diminished after it still went on after he died with the same leaders that were there before. It was just taking ownership of the armed forces with battle medition with his private army including super star destroyer and some experimental super weapon (few in number) added to the mix. It wasnt' he purposoly sucking all the imperial army and navy to form some secret force and placing a dark side puppets such as snoke and kylo ren just just to have a army of oversized star destroyer with death star canon and a group of cultist take over and rebranding...

[@Kissamiess]

@@wellendowedplatypus9024 Yeah, main "Empire, but worse" was Dark Empire and that should never have been canon. I guess it was the early days of EU and were still figuring out the whole continuity thing and couldn't afford to strike down the second major story with their new project. Funny how the Disney trilogy, especially JJ's side of it, seemed to take ideas from Dark Empire. Heroes being the underdog rebels again, more superweapons, somehow the Emperor returned...

[@andrzejhinc6404]

​@@wellendowedplatypus9024 wait, what was worse? Because although I like it, I get that some people don't like it, but what was this second time?

[@charliedulin]

@@Kissamiess Dark Empire is a "What if" 🙂

[@smukarch]

There are thousands of warriors out here. You are only one man!" "I am only one Jedi." "You're insane!" "No. I am Ganner. This threshold is mine. I claim it for my own. Bring on your thousands, one at a time or all in a rush. I don't give a damn. None shall pass.

[@AnthonyCarrierYouTube]

Ganner became a Vong legend that day

[@smukarch]

@@AnthonyCarrierKZbin no. He became the legend that day.

[@Bibitybopitybacon]

Traitor is my favorite Star Wars book. The part with Jason in the Seed Ship was fantastic also.

[@nicholasfarrell5981]

​@@AnthonyCarrierKZbinhe became a god.

[@NateLeePhillips]

THE GANNER!!!!

[@KainGerc]

I think the biggest difference between Legends and Disney Star Wars is that Legends tried to tell interesting stories within the Star Wars lore (for better and for worse) and kept trying to expand the universe With Disney Star Wars, it's either very safe by repeating old stories with slight variations or stuff that completely breaks the canon.(even the one that Disney establish)

[@Allison_XypprZ]

As if the EU didn’t break its own canon from time to time. And for every interesting story in legends, you get another mediocre one. It was so vast that it couldn’t all be as good. It was just that the good ones really shined through.

[@deadpatriot4437]

The lost tribe of the sith in legends was actually great.

[@marty2129]

I would definitely want to see more of them. And more of Vestara Khai, too...

[@occultcenturion1131]

I agree. Of course, there's going to be the winers claiming that their presence weakened Anakin's sacrifice, but I stopped listening to those morons ages ago.

[@glytchd]

Yeah that was neat stuff. He'll they even adapted chicken legs into clone wars! Thank gosh maul got a decent redemption

[@charliedulin]

@@deadpatriot4437 Agreed i should reread all of that.

[@kirtmanwaring3629]

I thought they could have been but we just see Luke and Ben mowing through hoards of them like me through a bag of sour gummy worms. I know, I know, Luke and Ben but come on! To be fair there was that one time Luke dueled one of their council guys who got away but, like, that wasn’t even half a page and we never hear or about him again. Vestara was interesting, damn Troy Denning though.

[@ben501st]

I love the pre-Filoni prequal Legends. There were some neat Clone Wars locations and battles like Rhen Var and Raxus Prime. I also enjoyed the relationships between Qui-Gon and Obi-wan as well as Obi-Wan and Anakin. Both were more intimate and dynamic than what canon has given us.

[@tauoniclightning6697]

The Clone Wars is canon.

[@yospidey0078]

@@tauoniclightning6697 TCW 2008 is canon. What ben was referring to was the original Clone Wars before Filoni which would be the clone wars multimedia project. That was purely Legends and TCW doesn't fit into Legends and should only be in the new canon.

[@tauoniclightning6697]

@@yospidey0078 Oh, I see.

[@yospidey0078]

@@tauoniclightning6697 No problem. I get it all gets confusing. But there were clone wars stories and a whole vast EU before TCW decided to be its own thing. (Which isn't a bad thing) I do think Filoni should have just cleared up how TCW is its own thing but that got somewhat cleared with the disney buyout.

[@PteranoLiv]

@@yospidey0078tbh most of legends doesn’t fit within legends

[@Driftking305forlife]

Even for all the issues of Legends it is still 100 times better than everything Disney has created. Side note the hardest line for me was Han Solo screaming “You left Chewy”

[@RailroadTy]

And they never really come back together afterwards; he and Anakin never have the same relationship after Chewie's death.

[@SharpEdgeSoda]

The Vong are just 40k aliens that got lost in the Warp and wound up in Star Wars. They have that level of goofy-edginess. 40k has a "charmingly goofy edginess" baked into it front to back. I think it was unavoidable really. Considering when they were written and how Star Wars EU had escalated so far at that point, the only place Star War left to go was hyper-violent-hyper-alien-edginess that kicked off with killing off an OT core cast with Chewie to show out of the gate that "No one is safe". They have their own charm in that way.

[@Batou3]

Orcs absorbed by the tyrranids

[@mrzirak792]

I think they worked in a way. In a galaxy farfar away with bunch of weird species like centaurs, werewolf-humans, hammerheads and lowkey lovecraftian fish-folk, what could serve as ALIEN invader? Species like Vong and Ssi-Ruuk, species that use different technologies, that freaked up culture and stuff. Stuff that works on SOUL ENERGY? Hell yeah. Weapons, armor and starfighters that are alive and in biopunk style? Hell yeah. Very metal if you'd ask me. Though i wish there was a Doom styled game set in the era

[@tvrkm6897]

Kinda funny how that works- you can go edgy/grimdark enough for everything to just come off funny. WH4K, Helldivers, Lethal Company, Doom sometimes, FMA (I don't really understand how Nina became the biggest joke from it, when it was absolutely horrible) just off the top of my head.

[@ltb1345]

@@tvrkm6897 What the dog doin'?

[@aaronhedgesmusic]

And the tyranid are just clones of gigers’ aliens then… you can always put down stuff or compare it to other stuff if you want. Creativity doesn’t exist in a vacuum ❤

[@starwars90001]

I think we have to remember Star Wars is a fusion of 50s sci-fi movies with dune and samurai movies, it's both off the way crazy and yet completely serouis at the same time. Like story of the first movie is about a farm boy going on a space adventure to save a princess from an evil samurai wizard.

[@jayb8934]

Indeed, and Star Wars has always been targeted at 12 year olds. A lot of adult fans don’t like to be reminded of that, but that’s why so much of it seems silly, or some would even say bad, when you look at it through the eyes of an adult.

[@TY-km8hj]

​@@jayb8934 tbf I've always believed this to be a bad argument when talking on the quality of star wars or what it contains cos George always said yh it was for 12 yr old boys to teach them morals and life lessons but he also said it was made for anyone and everyone to enjoy, to show the issues with imperialism, fascism and the corruption of democracy. As we know he succeeded in doing both those things given how massive star wars is. When u watch the OT u can see that he really did make something that knows no age limit and can transcend time cos of it. Then when he tried to double down on making star wars more strictly for kids of my generation in the prequels whilst still trying to keep those mature themes he wanted we see that he failed massively at doing so bless him (I still adore the prequels, flawed as they are and recognise no matter what they were a tall order to accomplish). Saying "star wars" is for kids is a reductive way of just accepting whatever is created regardless of the quality which tbh is kinda just insulting to kids. Kids are intuitive and smarter than ppl realise, they appreciate being deemed mature enough to understand things and be taught lessons and themes thru these kinda mediums. I grew up watching both the OT and the prequels, and whilst the main issue is honestly George's writing, another is also recognising that the OT aged so well cos again, they were made for everyone to watch at any point in time. Not once as a kid did i sit there and think i watching an acc kids movies. Whereas the PT was made for that young generation by a guy who couldn't write, let alone write for children in a way that's entertaining/funny let alone compelling. Cos of this they suffered and have aged a lil worse but even still I enjoy them. If somethings gonna be made for kids then it should treat then like they're mature enough to understand whatever underlying theme or story is being told alongside the main narrative. I've always thought if u were gonna write a kids show or film specifically write it as a regular and THEN rework it so that it's digestible for kids. Theyre entertained, recieve something respects them and their maturity, as well as being something they can then watch or look back on once they've grown up and appreciate as an adult not cos of pure nostalgia but cos that project was acc good.

[@ghostboy2742]

⁠​⁠@@TY-km8hj Wow. You can only say this if you truly appreciate and love Star Wars. I respect that.

[@TY-km8hj]

@ghostboy2742 Thank u, bro. I've loved Star Wars since I was about 3 or 4 yrs old. One of my earliest memories is watching rotj on video tape at my nans and then rewinding the tape back to the battle of endor multiple times so I could watch it again lol. I just find it a shame so many ppl either don't see the potential or simply don't care whether it's achieved when it comes to Star Wars and the stories told within.

[@bigblue207]

@@jayb8934no, this is poor reasoning. It’s the same reasoning that make people go “oh bro I want an R rated Vader/Batman/Punisher movie cuz it’s so adult and mature to see people get gored and impaled and see bad people cussing and having sex it’s so dark man” when that’s the most surface level standard you can use. It’s sad when people set their sights on that because they don’t understand how those are all superficial tools that are given any meaning by the subtext behind them, and 9/10 times it is suggestiveness and nuance that gives them striking power, making you imagine those things through implication rather than outright explicit exhibition. My favorite example is Batman the animated series. It’s a kids show and it has leaps and bounds of depth and maturity more than the “dark” DCEU works. Cussing and gore and gratuitous nudity on their own are really pathetic. It actually feels more high school than mature. But BTAS, a kid’s show that had to pass censors, feels miles and miles more mature even when it does dip into silliness like Star Wars does. In a lot of ways, I think the big irony about people dismissing stuff “made for kids” is first off how much more creativity it takes to deliver a message when you’re dealing with that kind of censorship (like how they couldn’t have the Joker shoot people, so they gave him laughing gas to paralyze people and that instantly became way creepier, disturbing, and iconic while fully complying with the censors), and that people think the point is to teach some moral life lesson that many adults don’t even care to remember themselves. It can be equally true the original trilogy was made to capture the attention of kids and adolescents but also had writing with messages so true they carried into their adult lives. This is just one of the biggest red flags for me to hear because it tells me the people who say that are so ready to dismiss any potential messaging or genuinely good artistic production on the most basic and superficial standards. That’s exceptionally frustrating and disappointing, not to mention fairly ignorant of them. Cuss words and sex don’t make for high art and “made for children” doesn’t mean incapable of high quality.

[@bbdf21]

Legends was the best Star Wars.

[@UGNAvalon]

So what I’m getting from this is: Legends had a bunch of silly moments & storylines, but they weren’t afraid of experimenting. Edgy technophobic extragalactic aliens, soul-powered dinosaur tech, eldritch abominations contained by black holes, giant gravity guns, possession by Sith ghosts, etc etc. - Not every idea stuck the landing, but at least they took the leap. A far cry from Disney Canon, whose first ideas were “Empire 2.0 vs Rebellion 2.0, just with black paint jobs” and then performed damage control with “copying the most popular ideas from Legends”. :/

[@Lonelywookiee]

Ah, but you see, Disney cant even copy correctly! If they could, they could have just made the Zahn Thrawn trilogy episodes 7, 8, 9 instead of the 🐕💩 they gave us. They pulled the character from EU, none of the story that made him an exceptional character, then proceeded to write him as a cracker-jack villain who couldnt strategize himself out of a basic problem. It was a hack job if I ever saw it

[@TheChristianPsychopath]

Aside from Thrawn, and we got Rebels Thrawn not Zahn Thrawn, we're kind of getting the worst bits of Legends. Palpatine's resurrection and Jacen going Sith were low points. Lightsaber whips, which have always been dumb. No Mara Jade. No Anakin Solo. No new Jedi order... Luke building a new group of Jedi was easily the best part of Legends and prime territory for diversity... Instead we get the Jedi being wiped out... again.

[@DatcleanMochaJo]

"Dinosaur tech" is a funny term

[@michaellane5381]

​@@TheChristianPsychopathI would argue Kyp Duron's training was another cringe low point... A superweapon never destroyed and such.

[@glytchd]

I literally predicted this the moment I heard about the sale. But then again I knew media was being used as propaganda since the 90s

[@iainballas]

Star Wars: Legends galaxy feels so much more... vibrant than the KKCanon. We had the Rebels go right from Endor to teaming up with some Imperials to fight soul-eating aliens... then a couple decades of whack-a-mole with Imperial Warlords. The Dark Fleet Crisis was AMAZING, everything that Timothy Zhan touched was great. Then later on after AotC released, we got a bunch more cultural stuff. Mandalorians got fleshed out... but then Dave Filoni made what was IMO one of his worst moves: Retconning Mandalorians into a pacifist culture with martial history and fringe. We had the Yuuzahn Vong war that took up a lot of my childhood reading. It was so amazing, the Vong were TERRIFYING. It felt like the real end of the star wars setting, and it kinda was. The galaxy after the Vong war was so different politically. And they weren't afraid to kill off characters at important moments! The entire Vong war was set up by killing Chewbacca in *book one* of the series! Towards the end, another major char died... and it was just so amazing. We had so many interesting stories. But I'll admit some of it was WEIRD. Like when Han and Chewbacca showed up halfway through a zombie story for no discernable reason. Of course, no star wars legends book will ever beat Splinter of the Minds Eye for 'Is this really star wars?'. It was the first, and was released before half the core lore (the force, kyber crystals, Luke and Leia's relationship) were defined or known. Now? Everything is scripted according to an algorithm of 'what will get enough people to watch that we can sell toys around the holidays?'.

[@JonSmith-hk1bq]

Can't say I agree about the Dark Fleet Crisis books. Those were pretty bad. But, yeah, I'll never forgive the Clone Wars for pushing aside Karen Traviss's work.

[@nicholasfarrell5981]

In defense of Splinter of the Mind's Eye, it was based on the script that would've replaced Empire if Episode IV hadn't been a runaway success.

[@Allison_XypprZ]

I agree it’s more vibrant, but having the Galactic Civil War and the overall reign of the empire extend for more than a couple years after RotJ kinda devalues that whole movie, and that’s something that you have to give the new canon some credit for. I mean, the empire ceases to exist within a year following RotJ, which makes RotJ feel more like the big blow that brought the empire down, rather than just another adventure of our heroes.

[@Allison_XypprZ]

@@nicholasfarrell5981And if Star Wars (1977) came out today, it probably wouldn’t be as big as it was in the 70s and woulda just been another new movie. So SotME was very much needed for Star Wars to survive.

[@theguybehindyou4762]

Legends has too much material to NOT be revived someday. The studios are too broken to make anything good anymore, so it will be the fans that do it. We now have the tech to pull it off, and further innovations will just make the process easier.

[@pwnorbepwned]

Fun fact: The Vong were not necessarily meant to be quite so edgy. Doman Shai were the first Vong to invade the galaxy, and they have worship of pain as a quirk. The idea was for each Domain to have their own cultural differences, and that some other Domains might think the Shai pain thing was weird. Later authors in the NJO did not get the memo, and integrated pain-worship into all parts of Vong culture, not just Domain Shai.

[@Hello-bi1pm]

This sounds like typical Star Wars species author tho😂 They take one aspect of a species from a movie and extrapolate that on their entire history

[@intergalactic92]

Yeah I was thinking that too.

[@lordhylia5745]

@@Hello-bi1pm isn't that just Sci-fi species writing? pretty sure it shows up in multiple places, including Star Trek and beyond.

[@nicholasfarrell5981]

​@@lordhylia5745yeah, but Star Wars is really bad for it. The Bothans, Correlians (sp?), and Hutts all had their societies based on one character or (in the case of the Bothans) a single throwaway line, just to name a few.

[@RailroadTy]

​@@Hello-bi1pmprime example being Corellians and their fascination with 'odds' or how all of Bothan society is organized around political intrigue.

[@gundamleviathan5760]

The worst of Legends is better than the best in Disney "canon".

[@bsgfan1]

Nah, as much as we miss Legends, we have to admit some things were horrible. Remember that the Holiday Special was once canon and it almost killed the franchise. Disney canon doesn’t even come close to Legends, but some of it deserves to be called Star Wars

[@gundamleviathan5760]

@@bsgfan1 The Holiday Special didn't kill anything. Star Wars was still thriving and hardly anyone knew that special existed at the time. Again, I'd prefer we keep all of Legends, even the worst stuff, than the so called "best" Disney has to offer.

[@bsgfan1]

@@gundamleviathan5760 Yeah, by sheer fucking luck it didn’t kill anything. And no, Star Wars wasn’t thriving at the time. In 1978, the only entries in the Star Wars universe were A New Hope and Splinter of the Mind’s Eye. We came 👌🏽 this close to having the franchise end right then and there. George only allowed it because he felt it would give Star Wars more attention until Empire was finished, and he _still_ hated it. And you’re either a new fan or a fool if you think every single part of Legends deserves to be kept. The continuity needed culling. What Disney has done is disgusting, but let’s not pretend the continuity didn’t need a hard reset

[@azurefire-91]

Hard disagree. I don't care about Disney Star Wars but I passionately hate Legacy of the Force. I know we like to say "apathy is death," but trust me, I WISH I could be apathetic to Legacy of the Force.

[@gundamleviathan5760]

@@azurefire-91 still better than the sequel trilogy.

[@Demonic_Tang]

37 seconds ago? I cannot be this chronically online

[@EckhartsLadder]

you are I fear

[@sulljoh1]

@@EckhartsLadder post-Disney we're all chronically online hoping for the best 🤣

[@DinoEater-mq2cs]

@@EckhartsLaddercan you explain what similarities arc troopers and Mandalorian have in common on their armor. Because Think I saw the same rocket missile launcher thing that is on boba fett also on arc troopers fives.

[@ben501st]

@@EckhartsLadder Fear leads to the Dark Side.

[@tristankawatsuma8962]

@@EckhartsLadder I’m so sorry to ask this Eck, but could you say something about the Transgender Clone Trooper from the 7th Sky Corps known as Sister? I’m just shocked by how much of the fandom doesn’t like her. People are acting like she’s a representation of why they hate Disney Star Wars. I’m not a Transgender person, I’m not a political activist, and I don’t even have a Transgender fan and yet these people who hate Sister just infuriate me. I might never write a story with a transgender character and yet I can’t help but feel ticked off. She’s the only transgender clone in the entire franchise and yet everyone acts like she’s a terrible nuisance. And before anyone asks how Sister would have avoided being terminated by the Kaminoans, maybe she just kept a low profile and avoided saying anything dissenting. The novels she appears in are a few months into the Clone Wars, so perhaps it was only after being deployed that her brothers named her and openly accepted her. I know nothing about the LGBT Community and I can think of a good explanation to her existence. Even if shows like the Acolyte and Kenobi were bad, it can’t be denied that mixed in with all the critical reviews is a toxic part of the fandom. Though I suppose it can seem silly for people like me to get involved in such a conversation if actual Transgender Star Wars fans don’t care. Still, what the actual heck? I suppose I’m asking too much of you Eck. This might be something that flies under your attention and it’s not like I know your position on this. Still, what’s the point in hating Sister? She’s just a minor side character in the novels she appeared in. She probably only takes up a page at most in the new reference book, Secrets of the Clone Troopers. And yet why? Heck, nowadays I’m asking myself what’s the point of being scared or hateful of the LGBT Community? Since when does being straight mean you have to look at people in that community as being an unnatural enemy?

[@wvchemteach]

Yes much of Legends are cheesy, and yet at its worst it is better than most Disney Wars.

[@palpatinesboi9549]

Have you actually read the Disney Star Wars novels? Your comment makes me think you haven't and are just blindly hating.

[@Allison_XypprZ]

@@palpatinesboi9549Star wars media in the post Filoni era(because his TCW was the first of what we consider the new canon) has been comparable to Legends. Some were bad and some were good.

[@VERTEX7101]

I wish we had the vong instead of the first and final order

[@PKPhoenix83]

I wish Star Wars died and the KKverse never existed. Would be better to have nothing new than these travesties.

[@kodyshaw6991]

​@PKPhoenix83 I disagree. As poorly produced as the sequels were, they did at the very least bring the concept of Star Wars to a new generation. And the huge advantage for kids who liked the sequels, when they go to watch the other films, the quality only goes up.

[@Knightwolf1994]

Kinda hot take: The First Order could've been good had they basically been Imperial jihadists using guerilla warfare tactics against the New Republic. Also the Sith Eternal would fit better as a subversive cult of Sith worshipers who weasel their way into positions of power and influence so they can overthrow the galaxy when the time is right instead of just "First Order but bigger". Make them the main villains of a cloak and dagger spy thriller series/sub franchise (kinda like the Shadows of the Empire multimedia project from the 90s).

[@jasonfrancese8359]

@@Knightwolf1994And the second especially would’ve been a great contemporary metaphor for the resurgence of fascism in our modern day political landscape, something a lot of the more interesting Canon novels set post-ROTJ have done. I think Jacen’s radicalization of the Republic in the Legacy of the Force novels could’ve been a great blueprint for what Snoke should’ve been. A charismatic leader radicalizing the Empire-sympathetic factions of the New Republic into an attempt to return to the Empire of old would’ve been a way better villain than “Palpatine again.”

[@kenetickups6146]

I'd rather have niether

[@krisss937]

What I miss the most from legends are Karen Traviss's republic commando novels and her take on the mandalorian culture and general darker tone. When we got the new mandalorians and Satine i was more then disappointed.

[@gmat4380]

This so much. I think because of how much I liked Republic Commando, it made it hard for me to ever like The Clone Wars show because they were just depicted so differently.

[@Perle-nb1fl]

That I can agreed miss that part of legend but at the same time canon is less of a mess than legends.

[@95DarkFire]

The worst part about the "Vong" (which is actually a slure to the Yuzzhan Vong) was how cartoonishly evil they were. Like the first Vong we meet is constantly grinning creepily while he imagines killing everyone around him. Also, remember how a Leia's and Han's 16-year-old daughter was stuck in a love triangle with her childhood best friend, the son of an Imperial noble, and a Jedi Master old enough to be her dad? That entire storyline reads like it was written by Stephanie Meyers.

[@davidb9639]

Because Creamy Sheev was never ever campy or cheesy himself.

[@Dolgan84]

Someone got 40k in my Star Wars

[@sulljoh1]

Palp has opinions on your supposed "Emperor" - who frankly seems more like some relic left over from the Dark Age. A weapon left out of its box, now running rampant..

[@LinkiePup]

We’re not taking it out.

[@mleadenham1]

Wouldn't be the first time *ahem* Pius Dei Crusades...

[@marty2129]

Or the last... Abeloth is a Daemon Prince, change my mind... ;)

[@SuperDuperHappyTime]

I blame the terrible author who first introduced them. RA Salvatore

[@derworfnet]

It’s funny how back in the late 90s the SW Story Group felt that the Empire was getting a bit boring as Main Villains and decided to shake up the formula a bit. Fast forward about 20 years and what do we get? The Empire 2.0

[@kirtmanwaring3629]

Yeah, to be fair to them I’m not sure anything else would have made sense for a new cannon at that point. If you’re starting a new Star Wars EU it's got to be the Empire at first, even cannon and legends agree hard there it's just that intuitive.

[@SeanKaneCU]

@@kirtmanwaring3629but the Empire 2.0 in the EU was immediately following ROTJ. It depicted the cleanup process but by the time we got about two decades post-ROTJ that was down and we got the Vong. Whereas the Sequel trilogy takes place 30 years after ROTJ. We should not still be dealing with the Empire that far into the timeline.

[@kirtmanwaring3629]

@@SeanKaneCU Read LOTF and even later Legacy stuff, legends was dealing with the Empire till its very end pretty much.

[@madgavin7568]

A change of management can often be a step backwards.

[@OptimusWombat]

The Vong are like Cobra-La from G.I. Joe: The Movie. A bunch of weird mutates using organic technology.

[@dvazquez5652]

There’s a movie title I never thought I’d hear again

[@johnronquillo1834]

COBRA LALALALA!

[@OptimusWombat]

@@johnronquillo1834 yes! 😂🤣

[@OptimusWombat]

@@dvazquez5652 this movie is when G.I. Joe jumped the shark, lol.

[@jhonnoilcringeincarnato8593]

Definitely a controversial opinion but i love cobra-la and i wish they expanded more on them

[@TalonAshlar]

I had no problem taking the Vong seriously. There is nothing they do that has not been practiced at some point by some group in history. And a reverence for pain is anthropologically correct for would be galactic conquerors. Anything less than dogmatic belief that the consequences of conquest were morally justified would inevitably lead to a peace movement.

[@theguybehindyou4762]

Giving them a connection to the old Sith would also bring things full circle.

[@JohnLevi-t1w]

The New Jedi Order is far far better and written then anything Disney Lucasfilm writers has ever written. What do they give us under their bad leadership and doctrines? High Republic, Acolyte, Obi Wan, Boba Fett, a bad rip off of Timothy Zahn's Thrawn, ruined Luke's entire life and Jedi Order, and many more. All of which have turned out to be abominations. We were better off with the comics and novels made by the elder generation of Star Wars writers by people like Timothy Zahn and the dozens of others who were around and taking the initiative and storytelling. They were faithful to the characters.

[@frankg2790]

I'll take the occasional ridiculousness of Legends over The Acolyte and the other lore breakin' hackney garbage we've gotten from Disney recently.

[@kp-legacy-5477]

Not that I like Disney shit but how was the acolyte lore breaking? They literally based its story around the beginning of a legends book. Most the shit in the show was directly from.legends

[@aidans1028]

​@kp-legacy-5477 because the council, including ki-adi mundi and yoda, covered up a group of sith who murdered multiple masters and padawan. then qui-gon asks about sith in episode 1, and they say the sith haven't been around for 1000 years. are they trying to rewrite yoda as a lying sociopath?

[@kp-legacy-5477]

@@aidans1028 ki adi mundi doesnt know about the sith they thought it was one of the twins everyone that met the sith got killed. you clearly didnt watch the show yet criticise it as if you did.

[@aidans1028]

​@@kp-legacy-5477 there's multiple jedi murdered. they see jecki's body with three lightsaber burns through the torso, and sol magically choked to death. also the witches were considered dark siders by the council. "Impossible, the Sith have been extinct for a millenium, but when I was a younger someone with a lightsaber killed a shitton of Jedi. That reminds me of the coven of witches with smoke demon powers, who also miraculously produced a child with impossibly high force sensitivity even though it was impossible for them to have given birth. Kind of like that kid you found. Other than that, definitely impossible." "Mmmm yes, unrelated they are." have you seen the show? or star wars in general?

[@kp-legacy-5477]

@@aidans1028 bruh They blamed sol as a fallen Jedi for the lightsaber marks Then blamed the twins for the choking. Also it was a cover-up by venestra so that no one would know it was her fallen Padawan. Seriously you just missed the whole ending of the show?

[@Torterra625]

Somewhere out there in the multiverse is a universe where they went with Legends material for the basis of the new Star Wars movies instead of what Disney ultimately did. Those lucky bastards have no idea how good they have it compared to us.

[@Bauglir100]

The Yuuzhan Vong are still better villains than the Empire/Sith cosplayers we got in the Sequel Trilogy. The Expanded Universe also did a better job of handling a story where Emperor Palpatine comes back. But anyway, I think the idea of the Yuuzhan Vong feeling out of place in the Star Wars galaxy was brilliant. They're not supposed to feel like they belong with the rest of the franchise. They're from a different galaxy entirely, and there's already so many different alien species running around. They had to do _something_ to make the Vong stand out from the rest. They're alien, even by Star Wars standards!

[@theguybehindyou4762]

The entire First Order don't even make decent cartoon villains. The Vong would be a breath of fresh air at this point.

[@rodolfohernandez3303]

Chessy or not Chessy but Star Wars Legends is the TRUE following up of Return of The Jedi

[@brandscape356]

The New Jedi Order specifically, and the Legends universe more generally, is greater than the sum of its parts. One can look at any of the books or series within Legends and find goofy or stupid stuff, but somehow, it all came together and made the Star Wars universe seem "larger" and more interesting than just Jedi vs Sith... again. And again. And again. One thing I will say about NJO is that, whether you like it or not, it was incredibly ambitious in its scale and scope. Something like 20 separate novels, a bunch of short stories, a comic series (sadly cancelled)... that's a damn bold move. It also introduced me to the author Greg Keyes, who has written quite a few very good books himself.

[@Dragon_Werks]

Author R.A. Salvatore said that he got just massive amounts of hate mail, including a shit ton of death threats, over killing off Chewbacca.

[@Daniel_Huffman]

Naturally, Lucasfilm uses this as another excuse to bully _Star Wars_ fans, including those who weren't even born when this book was published. The common narrative treats this story as though the writer received this backlash from every single reader, perhaps numbering into the tens of thousands, did this, when it was undoubtedly a very small percentage of them, if this even happened at all.

[@jhonnoilcringeincarnato8593]

​@@Daniel_Huffmanto be fair it isn't the first time the exact same thing happened with jar-jar binks actor. Not defending disney anti-fans and anti-consumers approach tho

[@Daniel_Huffman]

@@jhonnoilcringeincarnato8593 That was more so the media, not the collective fanbase, which Lucasfilm seems to believe operates on a hive mind. Even if the accusations were true, they would have been perpetrated by individuals, not groups. When Ahmed Best returned to the public eye in the late 2010s, he asked that the fans *not* be blamed for what he went through, though the general public, naturally, was too interested in using Best as a glorified martyr to care about his request. Regardless of how true these accusations are, they would have happened over 20 years ago, and many fans who take issue with the current state of _Star Wars_ hadn't even been born yet. In my own case, my parents hadn't even met yet! Why should fans like me be bullied over something we weren't alive to partake in, regardless of whether or not it actually happened?

[@aidans1028]

​@@jhonnoilcringeincarnato8593Ahmed Best didn't blame the fans. he just said he was bullied. historical revisionism has blamed this on "fanboys," but it was industry professionals, actually. look up the Razzies. it's an industry event anti-Oscars. Best "won" worst supporting actor for the Phantom Menace. jar jar was openly hated whenever anyone in hollywood discussed star wars. there were endless mean-spirited parodies and jokes at his expense. that basically killed his career. not the fans.

[@davidb9639]

R.A. Salvatore is on record as saying that, while he did get the occasional death threat, the vast majority of the mail he received from fans was positive, and he was eager to get back into writing SW when the offer to write AOTC came.

[@user-to9ge8ii9n]

These titles are... purposefully chosen. Not wild about the style, but I'm sure analytics support them.

[@SigurdStormhand]

Two things make the silly in Legends more bearable. 1. It's silly but fun. 2. If anything was *really* bad is could be ignored or retconned by later writers. Conversely, I think a lot of the issues with the NuCanon can be traced back to the way TLJ treated Luke and how we're now stuck with that. Fact is, even if you think the idea of Luke in TLJ was interesting it still isn't presented in a way that makes logical sense with the way his character was developed in the original trilogy.

[@elisekehle8520]

#AskEck How do you feel about the vong as an allegory for a newly-unified, post-cold War global economy encountering conflict with the Muslim world? It's basically Star Wars according to Samuel Huntington, and it gets really interesting. I view the rather abrupt switch to reconciling with subversive elements in Vong society as a real-world demanded response to the US wars in the Middle East. Compare it to, say, Star Trek: Enterprise and it actually looks quite thoughtful for the time.

[@UGNAvalon]

Dang, bringing in geopolitics & Star Trek into this channel that specializes in Star Wars & Halo? 😮 It’s an interesting subject, don’t get me wrong (and I’d definitely enjoy an analysis of that comparison), but I think that’s beyond the scope that this channel usually handles. 🤔

[@tylerwilliams3368]

@@UGNAvalonGeopolitics? Sounds like something more suited for Corey. My Dad read NJO back when it originally came out and this was the exact same sentiment he picked up on as well. He always told me how similar the portrayal of the Vong was to the political view of Muslims and the Middle East was during that time. Would love some more info on this!

[@thelordofcringe]

​@tylerwilliams3368 ironically, two decades later a certain group in the middle east went "bet" and tried to outdo the Vong... its kind of wild that no one talks about them anymore, considering they're so infamous I can't even type their 4 letter acronym here without getting my comment poofed.

[@alpha-2235]

@@thelordofcringea group created and funded by you americans

[@Jedi_Spartan]

I really wish the Legends comics were more easily accessible in physical format, even the 'Epic Legends Collection' re-releases are often out of stock because of when they released.

[@theonebeing981]

Gotta be honest about Star Wars Disney here folks The power of one, the power of two, the power of many. I don't need to say more.

[@col.sambers9033]

I also really like Tahiri as a character, and honestly while I wish we would have gotten the full Anakin Tahiri romance I think her story up to that point was pivotal in getting readers to truly understand the depths to which Jacen fell when he became Darth Caedus. The emotional and mental torture and manipulation he did to a girl who at that point for all intents and purposes is his sister-in-law is incredibly dark and twisted and really shows how far he has gone to the dark side, and how his core talent of empathy could be twisted to control people.

[@t_hetty1758]

I feel like the tahiri thing can work cuz it’s the finding balance within oneself and with stuff like the unifying force being prevalent works well with the themes but I can see why it’s a bit cheesy with the hug it out thing in her head. Edit: also being a Dino nerd I can’t hate the ssi-ru lol.

[@Jedislayer_]

When my friend told me bout thevong back in early 2000’s i thought he was crazy

[@DavidRichardson153]

Not that it was ever flawless - far from it - but Legends had a lot more going for it. The wide variety of stories present allowed it to be presentable to a wide and diverse audience. FFS, it's from Legends that we got Thrawn in the first place. Yes, the Vong are ultimately silly and cheesy. Yes, they are essentially 40K making it to Star Wars. Yes, they were after Legends had more-or-less written themselves into a corner. And yes, they were a welcome addition despite - or maybe because of - what they are. Is it wrong to enjoy that stuff?

[@occultcenturion1131]

No. I loved the New Jedi Order series. Yes, it went on for a while (19 books, goddamn...), but the Yuuzhan Vong introduced some heavy stakes that the Jedi couldn't easily overcome through their reliance on the Force. Did I like every decision made ? No, but I can congratulate them for having the balls to kill of several major characters that had been with us for so long.

[@SolWake]

Star Wars benefits from a bit of silliness when it has earned audience investment in strong characters and relationships. It's why the silliness in Rebels was so endearing. It's part of why the silliness in Ahsoka fell flat, because it assumed established investment when they were reintroducing these characters in a new version/portrayal that hadn't fully earned it yet.

[@BrickStopmotions]

For me, it's the Sun Crusher. idk why, but I like it because of/despite how ridiculously overpowered it is.😂

[@Shinigamimon434]

I love the Star Wars Legacy comics and the Yuuhzan Vong play a pretty important role in the series.

[@roguerifter9724]

I like the NJO books but I wish there had been more new Galactic ship classes in it, and also that the New Class ships from the Black Fleet Crisis. It felt like any new non-Vong warship classes smaller then a Heavy Cruiser and even some of the larger ones were one or two appearances and not seen again. Also there was a two book arc focusing on the protaginsts tryiny to organize an armed anti-Vong force operating independently of New Republic high command. And interesting idea but after those two books they were more a group within the New Republic/Galactic Alliance then an independent force.

[@captainmartin1219]

Man I miss legends so much.

[@defiantance]

I'll take Star Wars Legends (True Cannon) over Disney Cannon (Disney Garbage) any day of the year.

[@lucaslafontaine1]

I still love this Vong content keep it up Eck. Cant watch your hockey content due to the death of the Yotes but will still show up for the Starwars vids!❤😎

[@sulljoh1]

The Vong arc is amazing whatever people say. So many authors planned it out.

[@NateLeePhillips]

@@sulljoh1 And that right there is what is severely lacking from modern Star Wars - PLANNING! Right out of the gate Disney screwed that up because they didn't have a clear direction for the ST. Also, it seems like there's not near as much connection between Star Wars projects as Legends had. I always thought it was fun to have callbacks to previous novels throughout the NJO.

[@sheilaolfieway1885]

Legends also is so much more in depth has so much more details probably because it existed longer but still KYLE FREAKING KATARN

[@Azrenthe1stHighKing]

The Yuuhzan Vong are Great. They are something Disney will never do because they lack the willingness to do things now that aren't Remakes and Reboots. If it ain't "Child Friendly" they won't do it.

[@jovianmelendez]

eh they're a bit too late 90s/early 2000s edgelord for Star Wars but if they could be reworked they could be a great addition to canon. At the very least they are definitely more creative than anything in the Disney trilogy even if they feel a bit ill fitting in the Star Wars Universe.

[@andrewlau6466]

@@jovianmelendez IIRC the pain worshipers are only one faction out of the Vong. They could have leaned more into the creepy biotech.

[@peabrain6872]

2:39 in big 2024?

[@SadlifeSadwife]

???

[@peabrain6872]

@@SadlifeSadwife sorry 2:39

[@abstraction6212]

The Darth Krayt saga is the best Post Endor arc. And it woulda been even better had Krayt won

[@marquezlawson2988]

Still waiting for them to turn the vong series into audio books

[@tehrulefoo]

There's a KZbin Channel called Hidden Gems thats been doing audiobooks of the Vong stories. Look for New Jedi Order Audiobooks. First in the series is Vector Prime. The voices are AI, but they're really well done.

[@riftshredder5438]

I liked it better when Palpatine cloning himself in case he dies was only in the EW and not in an official movie

[@Zeta1127]

That was why I refuse to acknowledge anything after the NJO. Darth Caduceus does a tremendous disservice to Traitor by Matthew Stover. I had issues with Star by Star by Troy Denning, then he ends up being the primary author after the NJO, to the point I call the post-NJO the Denningverse. The Denningverse ends up being connected to Mortis from TCW, which is another thing I didn't care for. This is why I was going to have a problem regardless of the Legends announcement, I was dissatisfied with the direction the EU was headed thanks to the post-NJO and TCW, but I was going to have a difficult time embracing the new timeline from a canon reboot unless it was really good.

[@madgavin7568]

What do you think should have happened with Jacen Solo?

[@Zeta1127]

@@madgavin7568 Jacen Solo was clearly being written as Luke's successor, since Anakin Solo was killed off due to his name. There isn't any way in hell Matthew Stover's vision for Jacen in Traitor was Troy Denning's Darth Cadeus nonsense.

[@Mobius-501]

Well, yeah, now 20 years later as an adult well into my thirties, the vong seem very edgy and overdone. But nontheless, there is still a lot of really neat things in the series. As mentioned in several comments, the Vong are a very different enemy where the usual tactics and plot points didn't really apply. They challenged the heroes and the status quo. But also storywise there were things I really liked: The rift between Anakin and Han, Tahiris and Anakins love story and its tragic end, Tahiris development, all things you've mentioned, but also the Jaina-Kyp-Fel situation, having the usual antagonists forced to collaborate as in the Imperials with the Republic, Boba Fett joining with the good side, Ganners development, sacrifice and the resulting turmoil among the Vong slaves, the magnitude of the destruction the Vongs cause... I would have loved seeing this developed into movies, a series or even just an animation show.

[@GrievousReborn]

The Yuuzhan Vong make me think of the metal bands Gwar and Lordi.

[@DisFantasy]

I just wanted to go to the Unkown Regions and hang out with Mara and Luke.

[@DarkVaati13]

#askEck What is your thoughts on the Tapani Sector? The local noble houses, the freeworld region, and their ancient connections to the Jedi and Sith make it a pretty interesting region. They had an old Empire that was allied with the Republic, are really involved with the Bacta trade, and Fondor is located within the sector. I'd love to hear you talk about their super impractical ships if nothing else.

[@tonysladky8925]

The Vong and their "tech" are at their best in small doses... by which I of course mean the small doses of thrm we get in the Legacy comic series. Jariah Syn using Vong bugs as weapons, Darth Krayt being trapped in Vong armor, a couple of Vong showing up when the main characters get to the Jedi temple on Ossus...

[@lordcarnorjax8599]

To be honest the Bantam era of the EU books is a very mixed bag. There's some fantastic stories like the original Thrawn trilogy & the X-Wing series and then there's books like Children of the Jedi & The Crystal Star which are pretty poor. I know everyone hates on Crystal Star as the worst book but I don't think it is, for me it's Children of the Jedi. Funnily enough I just finished rereading the Republic Commando books and in the last couple there's numerous references to Children of the Jedi of all things.

[@michaellane5381]

I actually liked Tahiri's story, it was sad to see her not only lose anakin, but then get done dirty by Jacen though, was hoping post war she'd at least get Solo support for Jedi IVF then go full Schmee/Kenobi and go back to being a Pseudo-Tusken somewhere.

[@mattwilson8298]

7:16 Rainn Wilson as Han Solo

[@StardogChampion06]

The Vong war imo push the Jedi order to it's limit. Luke Skywalker showed us how dangerous he was when cut loose. He killed thousands of Vong warriors like they were butter. I also like the idea of the New Republic and the Imperial Remnant teaming against a common foe and it set the stage for the Imperials to make a comeback in galactic politic.

[@Meanlucario]

I think it's healthy to recognize and embrace the sillier parts of a series.

[@herodaresfire4512]

How dare you call Waru silly. He is the coolest.

[@AWW8472]

These novels helped me understand what hyperspace lanes are and how hyperspace travel is affected by gravity wells. And the scsling of weapons, which I'd never thought about while watching Star Wars and Star Trek.

[@Ashguy733]

Tahiri kinda gets dragged through the mud from NJO on honestly. I didn't mind her split personality with Rina, it just is a very tropey thing in sci fi in general where the military or someone gets transformed or infected and becomes a weapon that helps the heroes achieve victory by overcoming their transformation or other self. In Tahiri's case it seemed to be a metaphor for her trying to overcome her grief with Anakin, only for Jacen to manipulate that in LotF books. Science Fiction/Fantasy has a lot of silly tropes in general, like remember the Piggies from the Ender'l books or the Space Vampires from Peter Watts' Blindsight? That is part of the charm. Its why I love the Ferengi 😂.

[@MSmith-ib1du]

Imperial Nights, Mara Jade, YV, Crimson Guards, Black Sun, Cade Skywalker, The Anzati, Vos Quinlan, The One Sith Order, Uliq Quel Droma, The Sith Wars, Anya & Jacen Solo, Exar Kun, The Old Republic to name a few. I'll be honest here, THOSE WERE FUCKING AWSOME.

[@Gillemear]

My head cannon on the Vong- they are Sith, as in Sith the species. Those Sith who joined Athas in facing off against the Rakata were corrupted in the process. They were cut off from the force by the Sith elders and exiled from the Sith species to a companion galaxy of the main galaxy. They only return when their sub-galaxy runs out of resources. This explains the Nagai, Toft and various mechanical extra-galactic species and links to how the Vong war ends (don't want to spoil anything).

[@audioin9105]

Whatever problems the Legends Univserse had, pales in comparison to the issues that Disney Star Wars has got If only they had finished off the Legends Universe by giving us the Jaina Solo books we all wanted, things might have been better Jaina Solo deserved better!

[@azurefire-91]

*Jacen* deserved better. As far as I'm concerned the EU ended with the Unifying Force.

[@audioin9105]

@@azurefire-91 yeah definitely, i did not like the way they wasted him away in Legacy of the Force. Unifying Force was a satisfying ending.

[@konata8657]

ive finally taken the dive into the new jedi order series. im halfway through the 3rd force heretic book and ive been loving it. its corny at times but its a breath of fresh air from the disney "canon" stuff

[@cmoney3163]

I'm reading Fate of the Jedi now. I'm three books in and I like it so far. Sure the plot and characters arent exactly the most complex but I keep finding myself asking "what happens next?"

[@sunyavadin]

It's an incredible ride, that series.

[@cmoney3163]

@@sunyavadin my only criticism is the lack of descriptive narration. Maybe it's cause it's meant for a lower reading level but It feels like we only ever get very basic and necessary descriptions.

[@oilerfreak]

Excellent Video Ek!! Bringing back memories galore!!

[@EckhartsLadder]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@TheForcesWrath]

Star Wars The Old Republic, Knights Of The Old Republic and Expanded Universe (Legends) will forever be the real Star War Universe for me not the Disney nonsense

[@miguelderojas4675]

I read somewhere that, when they were conceptualizing the New Jedi Order series, they contemplated using the Sith species as antagonists before they decided to create the Yuuzhan Vong. I've always thought that they made a mistake there. The Sith would have fit much better into the overall Star Wars story, while retaining most of the strangeness of the Yuuzhan Vong. Anyway, I left the boat after Vector Prime, but I think fatigue was a factor even before that book.

[@Hello-bi1pm]

George Lucas blocked that

[@miguelderojas4675]

​@@Hello-bi1pm Thank you for pointing me that. I didn't know it was him, yet it was clear that the instruction was "be more original." I still think it was a mistake. The line between originality and thematic inconsistency is very fine, and I feel (but this is a matter of taste) that Yuuzhan Vong pertain to the later.

[@blackc1479]

Never cared for the abeloth arc. And even for the cartoons with living embodiments of the force. It kinda feels cheaper to me.

[@carloRX78K2]

A computer that has a soul of jedi vs "somehow Palpatine returned".... Which one is sillier?

[@tatepalmer1997]

Factions compared idea sci fi insect swarm. Such as Tyranids, Arachnids, Zerg, Rachni, Terminids.

[@The_Hissing_Fool]

Remember when Boba was actually Jaster Mereel? I do...

[@therepublic21]

Legends makes a thousand percent more sense than canon will ever

[@scottthewaterwarrior]

For me it would be the Han Solo Adventures and the Lando Callrisian Adventures. Super camp and cheesy, but hey, it was the 1980s!

[@sicor94]

Is it perfect? No. Is it better than Disney's slop (wich they always end up stealing tidbits of the EU and making it worse in the process)? Yes. Just face it, Star Wars, as it is, its a dead franchise, theres no coming back from this, the well is poisoned and they are just parading around the body and yelling at fans for not liking it.

[@Shiney103]

Thanks for putting your take out here. I've just recently finished going through the NJO books through the Fate of the Jedi series. While it had some issues due to meddling and events put in the tail end of the EU, I'll gladly say that the quality of the EU hit low lows and high highs, unlike the current canon.

[@serventium4049]

Bit of a weird question, but would using interdiction fields and gravity manipulation to “throw” a ship be a viable alternative to hyperdrives?

[@SolomonMagnus819]

Probably could throw but not that far or that fast

[@mvmusic8467]

Lets be real it’s a fantasy scifi world. Those technologies can do whatever the current writer wants, theres no point getting into the nitty gritty of something that can be changed on the fly.

[@darthsonic4135]

The Vong are basically a 40k race that took a wrong turn at Albuquerque and ended up at the Galaxy Far Far Away instead of the 41st Millennium Milky Way.

[@reginaldshort8486]

Del Rey took over and paid proper respect to Bantam but when Disney took over they went out of their way crap on Legends and the fan base

[@Onio_362]

Honestly, I feel like legends has way better storytelling than Disney. I also think it would've been awesome if the new Jedi order series was the new trilogy because it expands the star wars universe. The prequels expand it by introducing new planets with all these different climates, and the sequels could've introduced a new alien race from another galaxy. Then, they show how the rules of the Yuuzhan Vong's galaxy work.

[@lanceyoung9955]

Had some good stuff in there, but the Vong War series just went on way too long. It was a long few years if you wanted something different. I think best description would be "too bleak, stopped caring."

[@NateLeePhillips]

That's why I appreciated some of the later novels focusing less on the war itself and more on the effects of the war, like the Force Heretic trilogy showing one team repairing holonet transceivers while finding small conflicts to overcome.

[@dilloncrowe1018]

(Eckheartslatter criticizing the EU at all) Me: "So you've chosen death..."

[@stevenhenry5267]

Long live the EU.

[@aurorauplinks]

this helped give me some perspective and contemplation. thank you.

[@masonickatamike]

But lets be honest here. Legends and New Jedi Order is vastly better then just about everything Disney has done.

[@Emanon...]

Not that much better, but it has heart.

[@FrostbiteDigital]

@@Emanon... No it absolutely is a LOT better

[@onlygoodgamesofficial]

​@@Emanon...go watch the acolyte, your opinion on actual Star Wars isn't valid. Go enjoy your 🏳️‍🌈 fan fiction like Eckhart

[@NameNotGiven766]

Hard pass

[@blacksun6245]

​@@Emanon... It's better than mandalorian in grogue

[@Ghibli-Dude]

Okay Eckhart, we need more videos like this one. Please make a series about Legends!

[@vallettapetracyneran8587]

#askeck Ligit question for the balance of power, why does everyone want Hapes on side? I mean the Imperial Navy at its prime could have easily won.

[@m1tthrawnuru0d06]

The Hapan military had several ship yards, plus some tech the empire wanted. Plus there was the financial bonus they would give to which ever side they joined.

[@vallettapetracyneran8587]

@m1tthrawnuru0d06 that maybe the case but that's not enough to keep them out of affairs. And I would add that yes, the Hapan have 300 Battle Dragons. The Empire had 25,000 ISDs

[@triaenmarsh107]

I'm rereading the series. On Dark Tide II Ruin

[@connorledwith98]

The sequels should’ve been The Yuuhzan Vong war, 3 Vong movies would’ve been far better than what we got. You could’ve also done a Caedus movie/trilogy after if the Vong movies went well. Such a shame Disney didn’t use the lore left to them by Lucas

[@Hello-bi1pm]

What parents would take their kids to an R-rated Star Wars trilogy

[@connorledwith98]

@@Hello-bi1pm who said it would have to be rated-R? So you’re telling me you’d of rather had the sequels than a Vong trilogy?

[@Hello-bi1pm]

@@connorledwith98 if you want to do justice to the adaptation, it would have to be R

[@blacksun6245]

​@@Hello-bi1pm my parents

[@madgavin7568]

@@Hello-bi1pm Lets face it, Star Wars can't and shouldn't always be 'kid friendly'. We grew up with these movies as kids, its only fitting the story line evolves to become more mature.