ECL ELIGIBILITY CASE SPECIAL: UNDERSTANDING THE DANNY PULE & OTHERS CASE

[@alickDaka-u2w]

The big man is a sober man. He speaks with wisdom without mentioning names, pure defending his argument without politicking and showing fear.

[@mumbamakumba9346]

These programs are good. Now we know who brings confusion to our constitution. Bane its not about being clever with words, we also read the same document.

[@jamesphirichunda7081]

This young is bringing partisan politics in the discussion what has lungu's money has to do with eligibility case

[@gabrielkandusa9055]

lol

[@charlestambo4881]

I hv learnt a lot from what Zaza spoke 👏👏

[@stephenmpundu4236]

Lawyers are not defending the constitution. Thy are defending their interests.

[@Suzenchileshe04]

Us citizens are having a headache unfairly over this natter, just like the earlier 3rd term issue under MMD. God help us to get over this puzzle.

[@ZikoLatu]

Ichachinefye...😢😢😢 Ba susan

[@BiashoLusambo]

You're very right

[@patrickjmk2603]

Great program. Thank you

[@daviesmukumi5796]

So if we were to ask Zaza a Critical question, if those provisions that were applied in the judgment come from if they were not part of the Constitution?

[@frederickchikoti3779]

Let's meet here on Tuesday afternoon. 11 December. People will understand what law is and what it is not

[@KABASO7]

Zaza is a politician is not sounding like a lawyer but like an informed politician

[@justinmusonda6144]

Zaza is an under five lawyer

[@maimbomalambo5329]

Do u think all goals that were scored without VAR do not stand now?The rule the ref gave was final,now we ve VAR we check all.

[@BiashoLusambo]

Time to Judge which lawyer to engage and hope to win a court case... iyeee

[@bernardmpundu2462]

But what mr chisanga is saying is what exactly the president said if some of the things in the constitution is not charged you can find that a president can rule for 8years in a tearm and he was rebuked and the opposition augured.

[@charlestambo4881]

This is good Gentlemen powerful jabs there.

[@hamoongamainza613]

Mr Zaza you are very smart in mind, continue working hard 🙏🙏🙏🙏

[@lumaimubanga9253]

why cant these clauses be written in a straight forward way to avoid debates and intepretations?

[@doriskaira740]

Zaza kuwayawayafye at ecl became very rich in 18 months

[@PamelaMulenga-r1w]

Zamina is a Cadre where where you the time balepingula four time Ati is eligible

[@PamelaMulenga-r1w]

Is aliar ful cadre

[@Médicouno]

He has a personal grudge. That is unprofessional behavior.

[@alephermalazamwanza4324]

To the older gentleman on the discussion panel it’s important to recognize that the court’s ruling in the case of Edgar Chagwa Lungu may have been flawed if it was made to suit specific circumstances rather than uphold the Constitution The law does not apply retrospectively and by serving office twice Edgar Lungu was not eligible to contest the 2021 elections The issue isn’t about personal opinions or winning an argument it’s about protecting and respecting the Constitution Unfortunately some people like Mr Chisanga seem more focused on shaping the discussion to align with their views rather than presenting facts This approach misleads the audience and undermines the integrity of the debate Intellect should guide these discussions not the need to prove a point Let’s prioritize accuracy and constitutional integrity over rhetoric.

[@elijahphiri9360]

Ticket ya Lungu niyakufa ! Deliberately, these UPND guys have engaged the public to follow through all the court proceedings in the ECL case via various media platforms, first of it's kind. Very transparent indeed ! #Lungualungulamukwai

[@bornifacengandu873]

People don't understand that the law is not applied retrospectively. 3 years only came after 2016. Do not be deceived

[@noahchisha5805]

One Zambia one Nation. ❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤

[@CatherineMachinyanga]

The big man is just political coz he knows the tricks which were used

[@lewischingi4166]

Indeed, we are all interpreters of the Constitution, but the ConCourt is the ultimate interpreter. Zaza and ba Chisanga are clearly siding with a specific outcome. This is why most laws are porous, especially when there are lacunas and ambiquities. Having said this, the law in and of itself can not solve all our problems. Rather, we simply need good manners.

[@miketembo1619]

We are learning something , I think it'll be a great day 10th Dec

[@ZikoLatu]

Imwe yama,ba Lungu destroyed the justice system in our country to the core😢

[@jacobkunda4239]

Zaza is a man who knows what is saying not old minds ,still in kaunda days .zaza is hitting the head of eligibility

[@mwambachendela7738]

We still have young lawyers in the name of zaza very articulative, mr chisanga it seems you have expired sir, can you peacefully vacate the position for new bloods! Zaza is there will take care of you sir and the constitution as the national document.

[@davidnyirenda1367]

If you were employed the time when retirement edge is 55 according to constitution then the constitution changes when you are still in service to 60 years which constitution is going to be followed?

[@kulelwateddy6715]

Cup of tea...iwe kubutuka naka 55 yrs..

[@davidnyirenda1367]

@@kulelwateddy6715 that is they is no option but the latest constitution says retirement edge is 60 years

[@mumbamakumba9346]

If you retire at 55 then a day later they change the retirement age to 60, can you go back and say I still have 5 years to go or you will follow the rules applicable while you were in employment?

[@sonnym7995]

You always follow the rules that are applicable currently at that particulat point.

[@davidnyirenda1367]

@@mumbamakumba9346 it's different, you have already retired but you are in service, for example if the current constitution is changed concerning terms from 5 to 7 , are we going to have elections in 2026, because they are citizens like me who don't like short terms because it's a cost ,

[@DicksonKasoka]

Zaza is upnd

[@bernardmpundu2462]

Mr chisanga is pf

[@CatherineMachinyanga]

The young lawyers are articulating issues properly

[@joshuamwamba9246]

I agree

[@EdgarMulenga-b3c]

LAZ President George Chisanga must know that Purpose Approach is a rule of last resort. The Provisions therein are perhaps abit straight forward and must be Construed Literally

[@CatherineMachinyanga]

Zaza is smart, courageous,firm and on points speaking fast doesn't mean competence

[@brightnyoni7802]

Are you sure?

[@brightnyoni7802]

He is far from being smart, maybe you mean smart with dress code

[@humphreymwaba4485]

Is Zaza there to vent his personal hatred for Lungu or he's there to help laymen understand the interpretation of the constitutional court?

[@arthurkk2581]

You and the person who liked your comment should know best.

[@NelsonBanda-p1c]

Imagine the guy is confused

[@brysonmanzi2907]

The law is NOT applied retrospective....simple! Mr Lungu is also a lawyer...

[@johnchulu375]

Did these lawyers read Section 2 of Act No. 1 of 2016. For the transition period, what amounts to a term was to be defined under the 1991 Constitution. Chapwa

[@Gladys-j9u]

I am equally suprised

[@KABASO7]

Zaza needs to apply for cdf and go to school

[@frederickchikoti3779]

So many courts in the comments section passing judgment. How about we asked the question, what did the court say?

[@bernardmpundu2462]

If you feel your case was not properly handled in court you appeal so you can understand the case and this is how it is.

[@jamesnsanta3621]

Zaza is smart. I love such young people thumbs up 👍

[@Nazarene-e9h]

Zaza is a smart guy loving his explanations

[@brightnyoni7802]

I have noticed that a lot of comments talks about Za za being smart, now my question is do they mean a smart Brain or smart in dress code.

[@MrLusaka79]

The lawyer Zaza makes sense

[@ZikoLatu]

Everything under ba Lungu was politicized 😢

[@Allideas.]

I dont agree with the old man that court rulings must be allowed much period in order for us to be called a constitutional democracy , whatever the court decide is final but we remain at liberty at any pointing time to challenge those decisions if we are not satisfied,

[@mumbamakumba9346]

Is this not man who wanted to stand on PF ticket? Next program please.

[@susanmaingaila1526]

according to my understanding its like marrying a woman for a year and you divorce and marry another one am sure one will be considered marrying twice

[@ZikoLatu]

I am loving Zaza

[@GeoffreyLwimba]

Zaza brought in his personal charging Lungu in 18 months to be rich that was brought in the Danny Pule case. He is a learned lawyer with a predetermined judgement, on Lungu because of his riches. SC Chisanga interpretation is making sense than what these two SC's are, they lack history and experience. We were expecting to hear senses from the younger lawyers but they are just bringing examples not similar to the subject. SC Chisanga keep educating those younger lawyers.

[@patrickjmk2603]

You are very wise. Please consider law😊

[@patsonsikulundu4549]

The young lawyer Zaza and Siatwabwa have very true and pithy statement unlike the big man.I don't understand why he,big man, wants to combine the 2015 & 2016 laws.

[@valentinekabungo4122]

Why is it that zaza is too personal?

[@patrickjmk2603]

My question too😊

[@hazwellphiri2797]

It's because Mr chisanga is personal

[@mwiingadismus41]

Imagine being richer as president in a period you say you did not serve

[@GodfreyChisenga-we3ko]

The law is very confusing. What really constitute a term of running an office of a presidency in Zambia.

[@GodfreyKabwe-t4w]

Mr chisanga is trying to be in between kkkk he is not open Zaza is the next sangwa in making keep on my boy

[@jamesnsanta3621]

It is explicitly clear that there's no eligibility here

[@Sokoni-tv]

The man in black suit is a seasoned lawyer. His arguments are sound.

[@johnchansa]

The ConCourt clearly misinterpreted the constitution to favour ECL. Its now bound by its earlier mistake. Now the ConCourt has to decide to either maintain the mistake or correct it to redeem itself.

[@chipampeosward1974]

kkkkkkkkkkkkkkk just watching

[@ZikoLatu]

So you have understood!

[@DicksonKasoka]

Zaza is upnd follower ,why mentioning money,rich it's interpretation of law not hatred

[@phillipmwamba741]

And George Chisanga?

[@hazwellphiri2797]

Mr Chisanga is pf.

[@Médicouno]

Youths of today picking on older generations. We are disgrace to the people that fought fot our independence. No wonder our is in chaos right now.

[@PeterShamilimo-lj8sq]

I have enjoyed the show

[@DerrickMusonda-r9q]

Zaza is like me

[@lilandaexquisite9929]

Counsel Chansa is mature, well read as compared to the man still egoing

[@LandmarkAcademy-cf4ov]

Dont bring people who are aligned to interpret serious legal matters.

[@Allideas.]

The amendment of 2016 can not invalidate the order of 1991 as though life was going backwards mwe mantu, things happened under the previous constitution not after the amendment, Those to enjoy the amendment of 2016 must come after 2016 not those who have served under the previous order, Go rest ECL ,many families,many young and old,many qualified and ready to serve this country,it's not for you alone,

[@JairosSinyangwe-hi8tv]

Zaza for zambia, and for Zambianz❤😂🎉😅😅😅😊😊

[@Médicouno]

More like for you

[@GodfreyKabwe-t4w]

Was he paid for a term or he was not paid because he did not meet a full term

[@patrickjmk2603]

Young lawyers also. Still so much to learn.😂😂😂

[@davidnyirenda1367]

Mr zaza has a person hatred with Edgar, he is not focused on the constitution, when the constitution is changed automatically the knew constitution applies

[@hazwellphiri2797]

And Mr chisanga?

[@remmysikazwe3891]

Pure greed and dishonesty Led us here.

[@OnestopCenter-q4k]

All you guys alluding that zaza is incorrect in interpreting the law of the constitution are totally wrong, chisanga is a lungu cadre hence his position and iam seeing total chaos on Tuesday after the constitution Court nullifies lungu's eligibility case

[@MwendaChimbamulilo]

Eager lungu saved 3 terms in all and he was trying to cover by changing the constitution in 2016 forgetting that when he became president the constitution counted a full, so his eligibility is done.

[@Godfrey-d2s]

Okay we put that lungu standing in 2021 was illegal let bally step down so we have fresh election tell him

[@Godfrey-d2s]

Tell ba bally to step down so we have fresh election

[@Godfrey-d2s]

So meaning 2021 election was illegal meaning ba bally must not be a president

[@NelsonBanda-p1c]

The court said a term is 5 years

[@mwiingadismus41]

Before amendment in 2016, ECL had already served a term as he assumed presidency during the 1996 constitution order. He was going into 2016 elections as someone who had served a term already. After amendment in 2016, using the amended constitution to errase a term that ECL served is actually unconstitutional as the law is not applied backwards.

[@alexandermumba1797]

Rule of men, zambia at cross roads

[@valentinekabungo4122]

This young lawyer in between is hakainde's cadre, period!

[@chrisnsefu]

Whose cader are you?

[@chrisnsefu]

No case is conclusive until it is conclusively concluded.December 10 is only 86 hours away.Why don't you wait till then?

[@bernardmpundu2462]

As well Mr chisanga is a cadre of ecl chapwa

[@hazwellphiri2797]

And Mr chisanga is pf,50/50

[@cephaslungu3349]

Zaza is using logic not law

[@MajMlmboo-wh4dz]

Zaza is the best

[@martinchongo7187]

Why not write in simple terms the Constitution for everyone to understand you WELENSKY GENERATION

[@LovemoreZulu-l2f]

Zaza is against the law and is against edger lungu and any one can hire his speech

[@hazwellphiri2797]

And Mr chisanga?

[@clementphiri2345]

This zaza guy knows nothing and he is not fit to be a lawyer

[@MosesNyirenda-z3d]

Looks like kagame of Rwanda

[@ezlonmudolo1871]

Exactly is a dull lawyer this boy n marky simuwe are in a same WhatsApp group

[@DicksonKasoka]

True he must go back to school of law ,, he just hate lungu ,,,,,no problem God only,,Amen

[@DicksonKasoka]

On this panel zaaza can't win a case , which company is he coming from? instead of issues affecting the country but illegibility and what about you zaza you are upnd

[@phillipmwamba741]

Lungu's first term was under old constitution and that counted as a term and under his second term, he illegally ammended in his favour

[@EvansWitika]

Zaza's argument is based on an individual not as in general

[@KABASO7]

Zaza is just showing off hatred over lungu

[@frederickchikoti3779]

Senior counsel Zaza. I hope your arguments in court are better than this

[@patrickjmk2603]

Yeah😂😂

[@KABASO7]

He's sounding dull

[@valentinekabungo4122]

Zaza is a fake lawyer who can't inspire other upcoming lawyers.infact he is a cadre for upnd

[@fredphiri5328]

SC George Chisanga argues with cool rationality. Zaza is emotional and a disaster. He is too prejudiced

[@patrickjmk2603]

SC George Chisanga is a seasoned lawyer indeed!😊

[@hazwellphiri2797]

Speaking fast does not mean you are right..

[@joneschilufya867]

The eligibility issue is a waste of time and an opinion based case. Depends on who u ask and who needs what resolution. PF will say he is eligible and UpND will say he isn’t. Even their professionals say so.

[@sonachij]

GEORGE DESERVES TO BE A LAWYER

[@ezlonmudolo1871]

Zaza is a dull lawyer You can tell the way the his pronouncing simple terms

[@patrickjmk2603]

Talakula naka arrogance. Anyway we wish him well.😊

[@hazwellphiri2797]

Pronunciation does not make someone a bad lawyer

[@martinchongo7187]

OK AM NOT A LAWYER: BUT NO ONE SHOULD BE SWORN IN TWICE😂😂😂 LET'S NOT BE JW.

[@ZikoLatu]

"We are here to defend our constitution" That's right!!

[@GershomChipili]

Zaza incompetent, na cizungu cikanga

[@elijahphiri9360]

He is an established lawyer with a proper interpretation skill, it's not about the quality of English but the message he's putting across. Eve ni lawyer naku diamond TV bamu itana, nanga iwe mbuzi ndiwe ndani?

[@ZikoLatu]

The concourt at the time of ba Lungu was intimidated by him and his cadres swung with guns on judges to threaten them that they clear ba Lungu and that was what was done!. The constitution was abused and misinterpreted. Thats why this must be corrected

[@joshuamwamba9246]

I agree

[@alephermalazamwanza4324]

Moreover, it’s not about the issue of two constitutions straddling. It’s common knowledge that the law cannot be applied retrospectively. We cannot apply the 2016 Constitution to matters that occurred in 2015. Stop misleading yourself and the audience. Let’s stick to facts and uphold the integrity of the discussion.

[@josephsimbuwa3614]

So you lawyers if he was not qualify to contest in 2021 why did you allow him to stand. U don't understand the law very well, why do you want to change now

[@Gladys-j9u]

Zaza busy embarrassing his learnef friends on live TV.

[@patrickjmk2603]

😂😂😂yes

[@EvansWitika]

Zazas interpretation is not correct

[@alephermalazamwanza4324]

To Diamond TV it was disappointing to witness the director and camera person fail to effectively follow the discussion in real-time Viewers rely on accurate and verified information and when requested content isn’t displayed on the screen it compromises the quality of the broadcast Instead of prioritizing the requested visuals the camera kept focusing on the people talking which was unnecessary and unhelpful for viewers trying to follow the discussion If the team doesn’t understand their role in facilitating public interest programs they shouldn’t be part of such critical discussions Diamond TV owes its audience professionalism and a commitment to high broadcasting standards Please do better

[@lilandaexquisite9929]

Zaza is not smart failing to understand constitutional provisions honestly He is a let down... he talks about richer instead of addressing the issue at hand... he must go back to law school

[@KABASO7]

They should take back is law certificate and send him back to school 😂😂 otherwise is disgracing lawyers

[@rosemarychanda3522]

Iwe zaza who has not become rich in a short time in upnd? Some don't even declare their assets. I think you analysis is biased ka Zaza very pooe English 😂 you are failing express yourself properly Zaza

[@arthurkk2581]

*poor * to express.....😂😂😂

[@lilandaexquisite9929]

This panel is not the right one to deliberate here because they are partisan making there deliberations biased

[@lilandaexquisite9929]

Zaza Guyscot could not be president because of his status as a muzungu iwe stop misleading yourself and the nation

[@kelvinzulu1910]

The guy in orange tie joined a wrong career. I can feel for him. He was even failing to put cross his points using simple English. Additionally, He was so emotional and literally attacking Lungu as opposed to interpretating law.

[@bernardmpundu2462]

That's your observation but he spoke sense

[@ezlonmudolo1871]

Instead of talking about the danny pula n if lungu saved a term this chap brings issues of lungu became rich is thst necessary based on what's on the table Diamond nect tym bring competent person not zaza this chap is incompetent and he doesn't deserve to be called council you are abusing the title

[@tekikingkunta7684]

😂

[@Médicouno]

Zaza is just Lungu hater. There is always one that gets away. We can't stay fixated on this. The Court did the job. Let's get a move on.

[@phillipmwamba741]

Law does not apply retrospectively, which means before 2016 amendments, ruling through the remainder of the Term is considered a term and Under 1991 constitution, ECL 18 months rule was considered a full term.

[@mwambachendela7738]

Thieves

[@lumaimubanga9253]

why cant these clauses be written in a straight forward way to avoid debates and intepretations?