Elden Ring Lore - Who Was Fia, The Deathbed Companion?

What does it mean to be a Deathbed Companion, and what was Fia's true intention in lying with the undead corpse of Godwyn The Golden?
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[@NickCombs]

Fia's choice of Godwyn is telling of her character. He's described by all accounts to be the most just and worthy heir. Deathbed companions are not allowed to take the current state of the corpse into account, but that's typically in a circumstance where they have no say in the matter. But she chooses to lay with him despite being the literal most rotten corpse in the land because she values his morals, hoping for a world of equality and fairness.

[@enxman7697]

It makes sense that they don't really look at the corpse state, in Perfumer Tricia Ashes it is said she gave confort to the suffering omens and missbegottens, and Deathbed Companions arose in a fancy manner.

[@LwkyZora]

❤

[@TiberiusRex182]

Ah yes, our favorite Necro-Fia-liac

[@thesavagery6696]

I see what you did there😂😂

[@fhbaynes]

Good one😂

[@PinkTuskedMammoth]

I think to a degree she actually represents necrophilia

[@DWN-024ShadowMan]

OH MY GOD YOU'RE SO FUNNYYYYYYY......😒

[@nemesisundead83]

No just no lol

[@SlimDaSavage]

I loved Fia. What she said really hit me. “What is it you intend? To deny us and our ways? Like the dogmatic brutes of the Golden Order?” We may not all understand why some live in death. But they aren’t hurting anybody any worse than any other beings in the lands between.

[@OrphanCrippler1]

Yes they are. They want Godwyns deathroot to overtake the entire world lmao. Look at Rogier and Fia. One fully succumbed to Thorns and another was on her way there as well. Lets just spread that everywhere! What kind of delusion are you in?

[@adamkorzon2972]

The golden order Radagon was completely taking over Marika and the very one who was attacking those in death.I think he killed Godwyn or allowed it.He was the only one who could claim lordship.He would do anything to keep his order.He was a leal hound as marika put it.She found out he was trying to take her over and regretted ever joining or whatever they claim an empyrean is.Because who birthed Marika?A nother empyrean with a male counterpart?Or did claiming those strands split her?If elden ring were a real story with a real writer we would know all that.They stole the whole Numen Nemenor leaving on ships after being exiled to middle earth the lands between.The writer directly steals from Tolkien.I think they started fighting for control of the body and she made rash plans with Ranni and the Numen women Nox killed Godwyn but were only supposed to kill others.Cant see why Ranni although harsh would not directly intend Godwyn to suffer that fate if it could be done other means.They are not enemies and both befrended dragons.But Radagon would have liked all the demigods of Godfrey gone and most definitely Godwyn.We have no idea if Marika and Radagon know eachothers intentions so again we know nothing.Elden Lore is Obscure because you had lazy writers copying off other authors novels and could not even fill in the gaps after copying everything.You would think they could have a bit of imagination and come up with some stuff themselves.An Author usually explains in depth when mentioning topics like Tolkien and Timothy Zahn Star wars.They go so far as to explain a secondary character from obduction all the way up to them serving the Emporer as his hand.I know the tarnish is the protag but Marika is the Main char and we know NOTHING about anything of grace or what the hell is going on at all.And doubt the DLC will tell us anything and just add to more doubt and questions unfortunately.

[@NickCombs]

An interesting theory comes from the conclusion of Fia's story. Often in ER, we're taught to take the meaning of what is said literally: two fingers are actual hands, stealing the run of death ends death for everyone in the realm, etc. But it seems that a deathbed companion may not literally resurrect the lord she lays with. Instead, his lineage may continue through new birth. With death halted, this birth takes the form of a rune, but in the past it may have been an actual child.

[@jonathanbaker4361]

I thought that death ceased because Mirika removed the death rune from the elden ring. Malikath was guarding it for her, and Ranni stole it from him. Mirika's reign was said to be one of life with no death, I thought. When you reclaim the rune from Malikath, people start dying again. Well I just checked... I guess only the crone in the Round Table died. I wonder why they all didn't. Figured they were all well past their expiration date, as it were.

[@NickCombs]

@@jonathanbaker4361 Fia comes from outside the Lands Between and the Elden Ring's influence. She's a tarnished like us, just more renowned.

[@adamsirin7249]

That's...... possible. After all, we see a pregnant woman in the DLC trailer, who is probably a deathbed companion.

[@WhoDaF0ok1sThatGuy]

I remember finding the Deathbed dress next to Lionel’s equipment and wondering if it was her’s or another deathbed companion’s. Then I saw Lionel in the Champions’ fight.

[@yetanotherbassdude]

Fia is a fantastic example of how Elden Ring subverts our expectations. She's a necromancer and necrophiliac so every instinct we'd have is to hate her and fight against her as the villain, and yet in the end she turns out to be at least somewhat redeemable and probably has a lot more good in her than most of the demigods or other major players in the story. She's still creepy AF, but I can't bring myself to truly hate her, which probably says a lot about how good the writing is in Elden Ring!

[@snitraxd8780]

why is she creepy ?

[@desimobilegamer461]

Fia doesnt belongs to the streets, she is THE STREETS

[@katherineryan7126]

I believe that I heard somewhere that even if D doesn't kill her, Fia will still die. I think the creation of a mending rune itself requires the death of the one creating it, as we see with not only Fia, but Goldmask and Dung Eater as well.

[@dinorex3464]

It would make sense, since when she enters Godwyn's dream she bids you farewell.

[@edwarren7022]

Lionel was Fia's daddy lol. I did another playthrough recently, and I came where you find Fia's dress. Someone left the message horseback battle 😂

[@w.iraheta3769]

Lmao 🤣

[@darkwolf6879]

"Who is Fia?" Oh, you mean the lap pillow mom- I need not to explain.

[@GhostofJamesMadison]

She was for the dirt paths fellow tarnished.

[@beniron5807]

I don’t think Fia’s rune restores death as it once was. The rune of death being reinstalled in the Elden Ring would do that. Her rune “ Inshrines life within death as PART of the order”, rather the. falling out of it and thus being hunted for simply existing. Thus it is an entirely different order when you add her rune.

[@adamkorzon2972]

Yeh that would not work out,she wants them to live with the living.The cycle of life and death need to be restored and so the dead have their OWN place not among the living.Goldmask can fix that then after it is repaired you can start fresh without ripping out parts of a machine that breaks when you pull out modules or changing to software that is not compatable.The ring is like a computer,has a language of light Goldmask like the finger readers can read that.They do not need to gestate or let the world slip into curses or just remained fractured as it already is.And besides,If you do not repair the ring it can not fight the death root and in its current state it is losing the fight.Death needs to be put back where it belongs with the proper drivers installed.And stop bringing nobles back after they die,The greater will did not like that nonsense either or death would not even exist.Cruel to give life to selfish person from taking life from one humble and still has a life to live.Man is to live once then die then the judgment.They were trying to avoid all that it would seem.

[@38Jim]

I have seen every single one of your videos, and while the content remains consistently amazing, I feel as though this video stands apart. Truly, you have opened my eyes to a character I thought I knew. The subtlety in some of the dialog was lost on me, even after multiple play thrus, but you have helped me to understand. Thank you again and again.

[@square-table-gaming]

Thank you!

[@Ulta_Nagenki]

I think Fia is my Elden Ring character, and seconded to Gwyndolin in the whole of Fromsoft's catalogue. Just the way her stories is and the whole feeling of death is a Null Full place for everything. Not bad, nor good, simply is.

[@shivamarya5225]

What do you mean your Elden Ring character? And why not Malenia, Marrika, Ranni or someone

[@samfish2550]

Random thing on character related gear. Anybody else wish that there was a mechanic for the deathbed dress or the fia robes where at least one of them had each piece add more damage reduction and a poise modifier that increased at various lower thresholds of flat hp. Like a mini passive balderkins blessing.

[@Zetsumi42]

It becomes the land of the chosen undead

[@ButcherGod]

Is it just me, or does it seem like "Deathbed Companions" can only revive 1 person in their whole life of building up "Warmth"? Wish From would explain a bit more about this cult.

[@brutusmagnuson315]

“Become first of the dead” Oh shit, are we gonna get another Nito?

[@RavenGamingOverLord]

Maybe

[@Tarnthewarrior]

0:52 the only woman who will ever hold you

[@robertsoto5713]

Can’t wait for the new lore videos when the dlc drops next month. Ughh finally

[@adamsirin7249]

Marika was probably a deathbed companion before becoming a god. If you look at the deathbed dress, it has a similar look to Marika's outfit. Thus would also make her the opposite of the gloam eyed queen. One brings death to the living and the other brings new life to the deceased.

[@adrianmartinez9406]

Needed that hug so bad 😂

[@ProskiPlays]

Just finished this questline and was looking all over for this video

[@DallyLama93]

I always thought that with the rune she made it was now possible for people to die a true death and not be endlessly revived by the tree

[@korebeast973]

Fias goals really went against mine as I wished to rule with the might I had accumulated, but finding her dead sparked a deep sorrow for me. I had not agreed with her practice, but by all accounts godwyn would have come back as normal godwyn, to have been restored by a woman so kind to even those she had to hurt for her task would've been a blessing. But to find her killed by an ignorant group of brothers killing in the name of dead lives, guided by a beast suffering from some fanatic affliction made me feel empty. I stopped playing after that, recently though I have returned to play fair. Though I do wish there were ways of saving people, after all for a land devoid of death everyone seems to fucking die a lot

[@nightowlmystic9387]

I think people don’t understand what age of dusk born means. When you bring age of duskborn those who live in death will no longer be persecuted and the golden order doesn’t exist anymore. To be precise those who live in death aren’t dead they’re of the dead. Godwyn didn’t die a true death but became of the dead. To specific when someone is of the dead it doesn’t mean they’re actually dead they’re death itself. So when age of duskborn is made the world becomes of the dead as the persecution is no longer there. The real death isn’t there.

[@mistakai4226]

Did you ever notice the parallels drawn between Fia and Marika? What ancient lifeform is the source of the Erdtree a amber? Is Marika it's deathbed companion?

[@kt2official597]

I never realized how good of a person Fia was I was always under the assumption she was evil

[@Maijorsam]

I am furious I didn't kill D to avenge Fia. I did not want to kill an NPC incase it affected another quest. Now Im so mad at myself. I believe she truly gave almost nothing but kindness. She deserved better... and i shouldn't have let D get away with it! Argh!! First time this game made me truly upset.

[@Valkyrie649]

She only dies if u give his brother the amor if u don’t he ain’t gonna do shit

[@LordKnightBane]

I have a crackpot theory that FIA is FortIssAx’s human form. From the get-go she seems to have an affection for Godwyn that goes beyond admiration/loyalty (in my estimation). You also encounter Fortissax’s corrupted form in Fia’s dream. Lastly if you try to attack her then a ghostly skull attack emanates from Godwyn against you and Fia audibly questions ‘Godwyn, is that you?’ (Paraphrasing). I think she’s tarnished because of her corrupted form that she’s lost the guidance of grace and not because she descends from Horah Loux. Also she mentions ‘we’ who live in death and I believe this includes herself.

[@enxman7697]

Didn't noticed someone else already posted this. I second you!

[@noggy3133]

GODWYN HAD THAT DRAGONUSSY JUST LIKE VYKE.

[@nebunezz_r]

I dont think every tarnished is descended from Hoarax Loux, case and point any samurai tarnished, they're from reed land. Nowhere near Lands Between.

[@enxman7697]

I always liked the theory thet Fia was in truth Fortissax's human form, and killing the lich form is a passage to fuse them in a child.

[@square-table-gaming]

It's a cool theory but it would mean a dragon could be tarnished and there's no lore in game supporting the idea that tarnished can come in any form other than human.

[@enxman7697]

@@square-table-gaming Nice counter. We don't have proof on that side... But we also know Dragons had their God and Ring, a Greater Will order before Marika's. Grace comes from the Will, and they got dethroned, before getting absorbed in the Golden Order, both istances in which they could have been given than stripted of Grace. Am I mistaken?

[@nebunezz_r]

​@@square-table-gamingif it worth something Placidusax was an elden lord before marika times. It should be possible that in distant past he was a tarnished too.

[@square-table-gaming]

@@nebunezz_r the tarnished specifically refers to the line or people banished from the lands between by Queen Marika

[@nebunezz_r]

@@square-table-gaming yeah but there's no evidence that says there can't be tarnished of draconic or bestial origins. There might be a demi human tarnished among those banished by Marika but was dead.

[@LanceTheAutobot]

Doing a run of death in elden ring a strength int build called The Headsmen great axe highland axe roar medallion combined with mausoleum set topped off with the page hood simple but beautiful

[@youssefhossameldin435]

I still don’t understand something about Fia’s mending rune ; does this mean that death will return to the lands between so that when people die , that’s it they don’t come back , or does it just allow those who live in death to roam the lands between alongside the other alive creatures and people ?

[@DWN-024ShadowMan]

Idk dude but I always thought that using her rune for an ending would trigger a special ending like Ranny's, since her quest is related to the main plot of the story. I was really disappointed to find out this runes ending was just a normal one.

[@youssefhossameldin435]

@@DWN-024ShadowMan it would have been more interesting if fia , dung eater , and goldmask’s endings each had its unique ending cutscene and the age of fracture ending only has the default cutscene .

[@DWN-024ShadowMan]

@@youssefhossameldin435 Totally agree dude, I had my hopes very high for the endings of this game since the first time I heard there was 5 endings. I thought: "oh cool, probably there would be different cutscenes just like Bloodborne or Dark Souls 3" But I was wrong 😔

[@youssefhossameldin435]

@@DWN-024ShadowMan let’s just hope that they probably fix it in the dlc or a new update

[@marystone860]

@@youssefhossameldin435 I think they might! SInce the Shadow of the Erdtree is supposed or possibly take place in a dream world, Miquella's! Major tin-foil hat, but, could Fia's people be allied at some point, to St. Trina?

[@iiTzIsaac]

Does she still live if you never give D's brother his armor?

[@square-table-gaming]

Yup

[@kauaichan]

Fia was a concubine…her seal is a ‘Temple in the guise of a bedchamber’, and just like concubines of old, they were the collectors of inside info. Concubines we’re different then the girls at a brothel, they were strictly for royalty. Brothels were used as an alternative to avoid gossip amongst royalty, where concubines were often literal spies/true wives. Marriage in royalty was all politics and business. Look at Radagon and Marika for example. Fia literally represents womanhood and the power of such, but actual Love. In a world without death and thus birth, the only way she can bear a child is literally receiving LIFE ESSENCE from willing champions, to give birth to a rune whom she calls her child…..the literal fruit, of her efforts. They all knew one another, clearly all heading to Lyndell to try to help control the death blight caused by Godwyn’s corpse. Why we find Lionel’s corpse, after seeing the blight infect Fortisax (whose legendary fight or ‘ remembrance’ she dreams about) they knew there was no victory, so Lionell gave the rest of his essence to Fia, for Godwyn. When the Golden Order found out about Fia, possibly via D, she was imprisoned in the round table hold. Quite possibly as a whore, hence our….union. It’s not until she trusts US, that she strikes him down and escapes. Leaving a message, that she is GODWYN’S LOVER and returns to his corpse. The thing that gets me the most is when she says “I CHOOSE to lay with Godwyn’s remains, not those that were chosen for me.” She truly loved Godwyn, so much as to do what she did, which in life the highest honor a woman can GIVE is your literal reincarnation, your offspring, who will allow you live forever metaphorically. For a game so damn sad, so many stories of hope….but this one is a love story and it makes me cry 💯😭 She comforted others champions she did not love in order to find the truth for herself, (also giving champions ‘confidence’ in the guise of temporary’poise’ lol 😉) avenge him the best she could, only in the end not to resurrect a god, but to worship her LOVER and restore him honor and dignity while ALSO FIXING THE GOLDEN ORDER, allowing the natural cycle of death and rebirth to liberate THE LANDS BETWEEN (hint hint lol)…something even Rennala couldn’t do in all her grief. For what is a ‘deathbed companion’ but your spouse, your better half….so fking beautiful, Shakespearean 💕

[@childofcascadia]

@kauaichan I wouldnt say concubine. Id say she is a courtesan. A concubine is basically a "kept woman" who had sexual relations with a single wealthy or royal man she wasnt married to. A courtesan is more of a very high class sex worker or paid companion. In addition to being skilled in bedroom activities, a courtesan would be expected to be skilled in many different arts such as poetry and music, be able to make interesting conversation and have knowledge about many topics as well as provide things like non sexual massage or just provide companionship and comfort to her client.

[@wilfredwayne7139]

Beat the game 8 times and not once habe i had the chance to give rogier the knifeprint everything happens at the same time.

[@hot_soup4319]

I still occasionally see people who think Fia literally "lays" with corpses, though its rarer nowadays. I get how folks could come to that conclusion, but my first thought was just the absorption and combination of energy to bear a "child." Sorta like how Nephilim came about in Diablo. The original Nephilim were created via the mixing of demon blood and angel light into a clay figure, since, ya know, angels and demons lack intimate bits cause they're basically just spawned into reality pre-built or created via ritual. The deathbed companions do basically the same thing, though instead of the second party being a totally hot Angel or Demon... they are dead. So *you* have to do all the work.

[@s.i.ogamer8749]

Good job man 👏

[@marystone860]

I'm thinking, but, since Fia and her people, are trying to restore Death to the Lands Between, could have they, at one point at least, either allied or worked with the Gloam-Eyed Queen, before she was defeated by Malikith? Afterwards, they decided to keep as many of her traditions alive and active, till True Death can be brought back? Nuts, I know, but, this is Elden RIng, a world that Death it'self is broken, just like Time and Space is broken in Dark Souls!

[@eldenringpvpenthusiast1710]

Ive come to think that Fia is very close to Marika, I think she is a shard of marika as nashandra is a shard of manus. and I think some other characters are other shards too But what really gets me is the old english melina quotes sounds like fia when she opens up

[@Freyafanboy90]

I believe that Fia's ruin is to not grant death as we know it but make it so those who die still live as the skeletons do. With Godwyn as some ghoulish lich. It would deny the Erdtree the souls yes but eventually there would be nothing but a land of the dead. I allowed D to bask in his victory and then came back to retrieve the sword and armour left behind.

[@roundninja]

I hated Fia from the beginning, and still do, so I never experienced this quest line at all, but it's definitely interesting to see. From a certain perspective she's no more evil than any other character, and less evil than many.

[@mathieutaillefer8418]

Who hurt you lol? I don't understand how you can hate one of the most passive "want a hug?" characters. In all the FROM games she is truly unique. I've played them all except demons souls and nobody has ever offered a hug in game. I thought she was awesome and her lore was amazing.

[@roundninja]

@@mathieutaillefer8418 Because it's not just a regular hug, she's trying to steal my life force and feed it to a god of living death or some kind of creepy shit like that. Her ending turns the sky gray and spawns little bugs everywhere. I've had bad experiences with those types of girls in my life.

[@Dead_undead]

It might seem dumb but can you do a lore on the tibia mariner it’s my favorite mini boss

[@square-table-gaming]

I'll see what I can find. May end up being a portion of a larger video on those who live in death.

[@kalemnir]

Bet I saw a video about him... Or a significant part of some video... Can't remember whete (I was actually sure it was STG, with all this attention to small characters).

[@square-table-gaming]

It was not us, although we may have mentioned him in passing during the death bird video, I can't remember off the top of my head.

[@Papabeararmwrestling]

Man I think all the siblings had all this setup

[@drfrankendoodle]

Yes! I’ve been waiting on this one. Her lore confuses me

[@joshuahowell7637]

same I did her quest and it's the only ending that confused me still does.

[@billybois5745]

Fiandies regardless of D's Brother coming or not. I tested this by not giving him the armor, beating Fortissax and going to Fia again, and she was dead. Then went towards D's Brother, gave him the armor, and she was still in the same position as before.

[@square-table-gaming]

Fia doesn't die without Devin, she simply never wakes up from her sleep. The only way to see Fia "dead" and slain is to give Devin the armor so that he will murder her.

[@robertsoto5713]

Funny she says tell the round table about me leaving and we don’t tell anyone haha

[@bearrr4361]

Tarnished is such a choice word too when used with a woman being cast out 😢

[@teamshesh]

I would argue iron fist Alexander , is closer to onion knight status for this game than lionheart. Lionheart has tubby armor, that’s it, Alexander is tubby, and has the onion knight personality and similar goals

[@square-table-gaming]

That's fair, but from what we know of Lionel from the lore, he'd have likely been a very similar soul

[@AegisKHAOS]

I'm here for the hugs.

[@yeomanbasket]

Anyone looking at the woman in the painting with the old man from the SOTE trailer different after watching this?

[@christianlowman2698]

Please make more Lies of P lore videos.

[@square-table-gaming]

We are! I'm trying to make those every other week

[@kalemnir]

What do you think about popular "Fia is Fortisax" theory? Many people I know are sure she is (or just adopt it as their favorite headcanon). From other lore videos and theories, I myself got a feeling that it makes strong sense... But I still can't buy that. Instead I think that maybe, she was born in some other land but exiled for some deed or simply not conforming the ways of her people. So Fia made her way to the Lands Between, became the Deathbed Companion and devoted herself to Godwyn. This looks more interesting and appealing to me. And her bond with Lionel... Why no one spoke of him before? I've watched numerous videos on Fia, another good one is by Miss Chalice, yet she doesn't mention Lionel. I also tend to think that Deathbed Companions were a full order (maybe not quite legal in the Lands Between), they took Fia in and let her study their ways, became her family along with Lionel. So she became one of them. Though that may be just a headcanon.

[@square-table-gaming]

I agree fully that she is not fortisax. In order to believe that theory you need to either ignore or twist some established truths about the lore. We see Fia awakening to grace in the intro of the game, and as far as we know only Tarnished see grace in this way. To imply a dragon sees grace this way means a dragon could be tarnished which also makes no sense with established lore. You also have to assume she is lying about her background which... Sure characters could lie but taking in the picture as a whole it seems unlikely.

[@kalemnir]

@@square-table-gaming thank you! You're right, awakening scene! And it's so simple... that I overlooked it 😆😆 Also it's likely that Fortisax defended Godwyn from everyone, including Fia.

[@iamthereddemon20]

​@@square-table-gaming What about the modern dragons they've lost their stone scales, and a quick Google makes it seem like they've lost the golden flesh of the ancient dragons also, could this be the tarnishing of the dragons?

[@square-table-gaming]

@@iamthereddemon20 I would say no because tarnished is a title granted by Queen Marika and she herself had no relationship to the dragons. The golden orders relationship with the dragons was cultivated by Godwyn

[@Kristalya]

Beautiful! 🖤🌟🌑🌟🖤

[@nbmoleminer5051]

Her mending rune doesn't restore proper death it makes the undead an intrinsic part of the world through the elden ring who in their right mind would want to perpetuate the continued existence of deathroot the source of the torturous existence that is undeath.

[@square-table-gaming]

Depends on your interpretation of the phrase "death restored," from the mending rune of the Prince of death. Both readings work in context. "Staying the persecution of Those Who Live in Death," could easily mean giving them a true death through the restoration of the rune of death in the Elden Ring.

[@nbmoleminer5051]

@@square-table-gaming I think the colour of the tree and all the flies in the ending cutscene is pretty telling.

[@square-table-gaming]

@@nbmoleminer5051 definitely, if things can finally die that makes perfect sense

[@queertitan]

11:46 ha ha!

[@D.boys6t9]

My name is Darrian and my brothers name is devan. Why you gotta end the bloodline

[@C.Mexzon]

2:58 The True Male fantasy representation. I think many of us, sometimes needs this after a hard day.

[@QuandaleDingle-mm2rc]

I need more hugs 🙏

[@kevinsyz1201]

I just want her to hug me lol

[@darkhobo]

Fia is Fortissax in a human form. We know her sister turned human to form the dragon cult. (A very strange detail if there is not other Dragons in Human form somewhere, a checkovs dragon if you will) We know Fortissax and Godwyn had a close relationship. We know Fia is Godwyns most loyal follower. It makes sense that Fortissax would take a human form to be with him after death. We enter Fia's dream to fight fortissax. The game itsself suggeats that, she is asleep and we interact with her to enter "the deathbed dream" and she is the "Deathbed companion" Furthermore, the offical strategy guide calls it "Fia's dream" so thats an offical canon source that calls it "Fia's dream" Furthermore we recieve the Greag Rune Fia was geatating after we defeat Fortissax in the dream. Which proves that we killed Fia, not D. Its really clear when you let go of the idea that Fortissax is inside Godwyns dream. Which is never stated or implied by the game. Thats only a small portion of the total evidence for this fact. Its indsputable with the totality of evidence, its just never outright stated in the game.

[@miimiibeschde4818]

Wasn't fia raised by Lionel?

[@square-table-gaming]

This theory is very cool but it doesn't account for the fact that Fia is tarnished and as far was we know, there are no tarnished dragons.

[@darkhobo]

@@square-table-gaming I thought of that too... Okay follow me on this. A tarnished is an exiled human. Nothing more, nothing less. Every single starting class is called an exile either in their class description or on a piece of their starting equipment. Every single one. The only thing they have in common is being exiled. For example, the warriors of the Land of Reeds are Tarnished and they aren't even from The Lands Between. Even Morgott is a Tarnished. He is the "Grace Given" so even the Omen can become Tarnished. (They were exiled too, just to the sewers) So it's not where you were exiled from just the fact that you were exiled that makes you a potential Tarnished. Fia says she was Exiled for seeing the Light of Grace, but there is no society we know of that exiles you for that. Why would they? That's what's supposed to happen. That's a gift of the Greater Will. So if she is telling the truth here (which I find highly questionable) she was at least part of a society that was opposed to the Greater Will. Or at least opposed to the Order(s) of Marika. So while the first Tarnished were exiled with Godfrey, every exile, everywhere is a tarnished. Fia is Human and was human at the time she was exiled. She calls herself an exile in her dialogue. That's all the requirements, and she meets them. Now also consider the fact that the Dragons were fighting a war with Lyendell and their greatest warrior "The mighty bolderstone" just defected to join with Godwyn. That earns you an Exile too. (I think this is what Fia is actually referring to when she says she saw the light of grace and was exiled for it, she means she decided to join with Godwyn the Golden, but it really doesnt matter, still works out the same) Personally I think it goes a WHOLE lot deeper than this. I dont have the time to get into it all. But, chew on this, why is there Deathroot in Farum Azula? It supposed to be working through the tree roots, but theres no connection to the ground up there.. Everything Fia says fits in with this if you assume Fia is slightly distorting the truth to get you on her side. Thats her whole deal. She is opposed to the current order. She isnt trying to Cure Godwyn shes trying to make Godwyn's affliction universal so Godwyn can usurp Marika as the new God of the age. AS the Prince of Death. Like I said. There is a LOT to this theory. A lot of evidence that doesn't seem like it's connected. Godwyns story seems pretty straight forward. But once you start to look at everything and connect the dots you see its a LOT more complex than we are being led to believe. The narriatives we are being given dont line up with eachother. Fia IS Fortissax. Lancennax's Glaive tells us that Dragons can turn human. We know that for a fact. But nothing tells us Dragons can just exist in peoples or demigods dreams. So why is that what people think is happening? So why is Fia dreaming of a Lich Dragon? Because that is her true form. Shes dreaming of being herself with her Godwyn.

[@darkhobo]

@@miimiibeschde4818 nah. Lionel "declared himself to be her father" so that means he wasn't actually her father. Lionel was (as far as I can make out) the first person who Fia killed, and transferred his life energy to Godwyn. Fias's whole thing is taking tiny chunks of life from everyone she can, to give to Godwyn. She wants to transfer enough life to Godwyn that he can * ahem* make a child with him.

[@miimiibeschde4818]

@@darkhobo doesn't the Armour say that lionel raised fia?

[@PaleRider-zm2qx]

Okay does she lay with the dead or lay the dead...

[@square-table-gaming]

With, haha

[@Hanakin-Sidewalker]

Fia violated the neutrality of the Roundtable Hold and killed a man who had no way to defend himself. I was more than happy to avenge D when I found her again in the Depths…

[@square-table-gaming]

Yo be fair, D was about to do the same

[@Hanakin-Sidewalker]

@@square-table-gaming If you read the description of Fia’s Mist, you’ll find it was developed *specifically* to oppose the sanctity of the Hold and works only against the Tarnished. Not only was D’s murder premeditated, it was done in a place where Fia knew he wouldn’t be able to fight back. Not even the Dung Eater, Scourge of the Living, was able to do harm while in the Hold. Fia the biggest villain of the game fr fr

[@lordlyhawk]

She had no other choice he dedicated to his whole life to hunt

[@Molotov_Milkshake]

How come Enya was able to attack us in Roundtable Hold? How come we were able to kill Enya there too?

[@Hanakin-Sidewalker]

@@Molotov_Milkshake We were intercepted on our way back to the Roundtable Hold and instead wound up in the Fortified Manor in Leyndell.

[@Papabeararmwrestling]

Lol a special place IN the owners Heart lmao literally 😅

[@x332433]

can y'all do sekiro lore?

[@frankiefromky]

[@exquisitedoomlapointe185]

Grim reaper waifu is best waifu.

[@mauroquinones5145]

I actually think shes evil to be honest, or at least severely misguided. Yes the golden order is trigger happy, but those who live in death *are* an existential threat to be wiped out. Moreover, how could she claim to actually care for Rogier when deathblight is what is killing him? Quite unironically prying on someone in their weakest moment to spread what got him there in the first place

[@Lazymindflayerwithcofffee]

About first part of the argument: isn,t the whole point of rune of death is to put to rest all ,who live in death,?

[@AlumineaLaMay]

So is a deathbed companion, pretty much a prostitute, but instead of money, you get souls ? Something like that, right ?

[@square-table-gaming]

Nope, they are don't deal in literal sex. It's a transfer of warmth/strength from one body to another. They take the warmth of living warriors and give it to a dead noble, essentially granting them new life.

[@craig13497]

do more lies of p and I'll sub ... was waiting on that (vaati to it lol)

[@square-table-gaming]

It's coming. Lies of P Lore will be bi-weekly

[@dmitriyn7695]

Фортисакс она, Фортисакс. :) История Фия начинается ровно в том же месте, где заканчивается история Фортисакс.

[@square-table-gaming]

Fortissax is not tarnished. Fia is clearly illustrated as seeing Grace in the intro of the game

[@dmitriyn7695]

@@square-table-gaming древним драконам ничего не мешает быть потускневшими (tarnished) и видеть благодать... если они являются предками людей.

[@square-table-gaming]

​@@dmitriyn7695ancient dragons are not the ancestors of people. They are 2 distinctly different species. Also it wouldn't make sense for Fortissax to leave the lands between in exile and somehow also be fighting against godwyns death for all this time.

[@dmitriyn7695]

@@square-table-gaming т.н. "аспекты горнила" - рога, хвосты, крылья, огненное дыхание. Всё это вместе - не что иное, как дракон. И всё это проявляется в людях междуземья. :)

[@square-table-gaming]

@@dmitriyn7695 All life in the Lands Between has a possibility of being touched by the primordial crucible. Your typical human is not. A human touched by the crucible is an Omen, not a Dragon. That also doesnt account for the fact that Fia is a deathbed companion from an entirely different land when the Rememberance of the Lichdragon implies fortissax started fighting against the death within Godwyn immediately after his soul died.

[@mightyquasar4870]

Is it true that no one really dies in the land between? If so maybe those died will come back to life? Perhaps the New DLC will have our answer and the Characters that we love so much will return to us once more

[@johnny2598]

3:0 when you're dead inside and a woman hugs you. This game is playing with my feelium tank.

[@SterbsMcGurbs]

Fia got a part of me afflicted with rigor mortis

[@square-table-gaming]

My condolences

[@jjms7167]

Still can't wrap my mind around this. Does "lay" in the game's context mean what i think it is? The present form of laid, which means seggs?

[@square-table-gaming]

No it means literal laying. It's all more magical than that. There are those that argue traditional reproduction is more or less gone in the Lands Between.

[@jjms7167]

@@square-table-gaming oh thank god. Pheew. The comment section had me going there, and since GRRM is involved, I can't rule it out. Thanks for clarifying

[@Carrot-Man1876]

Greetings from the Carrot-Man 👋🥕

[@square-table-gaming]

My liege

[@thehomiehandler2435]

You know. You said the choice seems clear but not really. Fia, regardless of reason, killed D. His brother had every right to avenge him. I let him go and went on my way with Fia's rune. Wasn't simping anywhere near hard enough to take vengeance on her behalf.

[@thehomiehandler2435]

@@AutismGaming489 You're watching an Elden ring lore video same as I am. The apple does not fall far.

[@Hanakin-Sidewalker]

Agreed! Darian had no way to defend himself and she killed him straight up.

[@j.a7299]

Your mom

[@solomaxlevelplayer5582]

So basically Lionel wanted to play the adoptive father figure but what Fia wanted was a step father so she fucked him to death!!!! 💀💀💀

[@square-table-gaming]

Nope, he likely gave her his strength willingly through being held

[@solomaxlevelplayer5582]

@@AutismGaming489 What type of comfort is that? 💀💀💀