Elden Ring Lore - Messmer's Loyal Fire Knights

[@RommelStorm]

Messmer's rizz is so strong that he pulls in people to his side from all walks of life: be they common folk or actual royalties.

[@VictorIV0310]

An interesting contrast to Miquella who, although capable of inspiring genuine loyalty in some people like Leda, usually resorts to his charming powers to compel loyalty whereas Messmer, despite his cursed nature and dreaded reputation, is able to inspire genuine loyalty from many people around him, even abandoning their royal titles and birthrights just to serve him.

[@victorguapoako]

The fact that the one next in line as HEIRESS TO THE FUCKING CARIAN DYNASTY abandoned her birthright to follow him to the Land of Shadows shows that either Messmer is so charismatic as a leader or that Rellana is really just that down bad. And considering that entire battalions of knights and soldiers followed him there as well shows that it was the former. Although I'm also pretty sure Rellana is just that down bad. Having a thing for redheads is genetic, apparently.

[@kneeofjustice9619]

@@victorguapoakoand incest, since they’re both related through marriage

[@victorguapoako]

@@kneeofjustice9619 only by law and not by blood. They have no consanguineal connection, after all. As far as I'm concerned, that's significantly better than straight up banging a blood-relation.

[@Patrik1st]

​@@victorguapoako😂Messmer got that ANACONDA 🐍

[@GerudoKing_]

It’s fascinating to learn all these different things about Messmer’s crusade, that his elites weren’t just soldiers and guards, but they were also his friends in a way.

[@joshuapatrick682]

I think the ruin he refused to burn down was the cathedral we fight Romina in later.

[@battlericky17]

Salza right? I like that idea, i figured he refused to burn all of rauh

[@Hegemol900]

About Wego: I dont think the ither knights are his followers. Rather that they are ilusions, akin to what Morgott did with the two Margits. I take this from two things. 1: They dont drop anything. Unlike the other fire knights, and 2: theyre bodies vanish upon death. Not like the other elite fire knights who vanish in a cloud of smoke, but just vanish. They lay on the floor for a time, and then their corpses dissapear. This is unlike any other fire knight in the game. So thats my opinion about that.

[@square-table-gaming]

That's a great observation.

[@Z3d195]

Good catch bro

[@collin333]

Mfers with the dual shortswords are the bane of my existence lmfao, the Greatsword ones are pretty cool though

[@crowsjourney4352]

Yes another knight video!! Love the knight factions in Elden Ring.

[@braedenaldridge8452]

On a side note… What’s crazy is how many people don’t realize that the symbol and placements of snakes are actually the missing piece of the big question of Marika. The thing she took the golden strains from was an abyssal serpent. Hence why she was so scared of it in her son, she wasn’t locking Mesmer away, she was locking away what he had inside him. I believe that another one of her children knew this truth, and allowed himself to be consumed by another abyssal serpent and merged with it.

[@blizzardgaming7070]

Man the description of the crusade insignia hits different after making the Shaman Village/Jar Inard connection. Those knights were probably told why the hornsent should burn.

[@warmak4576]

Ye but then you see Belurat tower/Enir-Ilim and you start to dual-wield tooth whips and yell "get back în the jar you filthy strumpet" at radagon.

[@Darfail]

​@@warmak4576lol why

[@dog.b74]

just letting you know there's an error in the video description. it says "Kood, Salza, Wego, Hilde, and Wego." when i imagine it should be "Kood, Salza, Wego, Hilde, and Queelign.". Great video nonetheless! The Fire Knights are definitely my favourite faction in Elden Ring now, with Carians (who were my favourite prior to the DLC) now being second. Great to see the Fire Knights getting some proper coverage.

[@square-table-gaming]

Thanks for the call out!

[@geordiejones5618]

Absolutely love the Fire Knights and Curseblades. I feel like in terms of faction knights these guys are up there with the Crucible Knights in terms of feeling fleshed out. I have a lot of respect for Salza and I even respecced to faith to honor his memory with his incantation.

[@hhowdy]

Something I noticed about all the fire nights is that half of their face is exposed from their helmet and unlike every other lesser soldier in the lands between (even Messmers) their skin isn’t as gray and old as all the others. It’s fully white and just looks like normal skin. I don’t really have an explanation for this.

[@square-table-gaming]

Perhaps it's a side effect of being granted a portion of Messmer's flame.

[@blizzardgaming7070]

I think the ancient ruins defended by Salza were the ancient ruins of Rauh, not only do they share the same descriptor of ancient ruins Salza defends the route to Rauh which happens to be the only hornsent settlement not be completely destroyed.

[@braedenaldridge8452]

I believe the same, I think it was there, attacking a place of worship that his spirit finally broke.

[@glb1993]

Rykard would have loved to become one with Messmer through devouring him with the god eating snake. And I mean shit the god eating snake with the dark abyssal snake would make unreal amounts of power.

[@SuperSa100]

Mesmer lorewise is probably the strongest i doubt rykard would be able to defeat him

[@glb1993]

Your right on that lol I thought it'd be a cool thing to imagine though.

[@rashadsanders6716]

@@SuperSa100rykard slams

[@rashadsanders6716]

@@SuperSa100he’s strong but not even close to present rykard, he can literally do nothing against em

[@YATZIwastaken]

is there gonna be a video specifically on what the abyssal serpent is? Is it another god trying to take over a demigod like the rot god and melania? Is it a god from far away granting power like the formless mother, or another thing entirely

[@square-table-gaming]

There's very little information on the abyssal serpent but I will dig up as much as I possibly can

[@alexandermorgan5958]

I forgot how in-depth the game went with these people. Their armor would have been cooler for me if it didn't clash with the gold on everything I used. On an unrelated note, I think your description lists Wego twice. Poor bowl-cut man, always derided.

[@randomguy8415]

I was literally looking at Elden ring videos. And as soon as I come up to look for more videos. Then the first thing I see. Is this video

[@Mistercodmobilefan8378]

Man thats crazy i never knew that there were more fire knights in the dlc of elden ring that i need to explore more! And do the lore of messmer black knights!!

[@MeanAndPristine]

The lore of the Order Healing incantation reminds me of Salza. Here it is: “The noble Goldmask lamented what had become of the hunters. How easy it is for learning and learnedness to be reduced to the ravings of fanatics; all the good and the great wanted, in their foolishness, was an absolute evil to contend with. Does such a notion exist in the fundamentals of Order?” The answer is that no, it does not. Goldmask, ever wise, may have known the true nature of Messmer’s crusade and likened his own Golden Order’s zeal to them. Convincingly, Golden Order incantations require both faith and intelligence, whereas Messmer Fire incantations only require faith. I don’t think it was a coincidence that Salza’s Hood increases intelligence, or that he was swayed by Hilde’s convictions about sparing the specimens.

[@LosDStoNerd]

Stone Coffin Fissure/St. Trina's theme just hits every time

[@heavymaciej]

I've been waiting for this episode. Been wondering who are those knobs for some time.

[@LordFarKwadth]

17:58 sick burn.

[@persona8439]

Pun intended?

[@Varindran]

The fire Knights more than anything have some of the best outfits out of all the knights in the game IMO.

[@padrenuestre]

They look so eerie yet graceful at the same time. Love their design.

[@warmak4576]

They look like anti-tank rounds.

[@Neil-d8r]

As soon as I saw the first one in the shadow keep I said ' I'm farming that sh1t'. One hour later the whole set and 2 fire knight greatswords.

[@Cman04092]

The only thing scarier than fire knights are those god damned divine beast head hornsent warriors. There are only 3, and 1 doesn't even respawn and i hate them all. Revenants and shrimpmare now 3rd and 4th respectively.

[@aaronrevill6662]

Thank you I love Ur voice and the lore U do. This is so cool and Interesting

[@square-table-gaming]

Thank you for watching!

[@Battlpants1746]

Honestly, I think Marika secretly charged the knights to keep messmer in the shadow keep so that he didn't try and return the the lands between, so so that the abysmal serpent got out.

[@nej5060]

You should review the black knights next because I think they have some relation to Maliketh

[@square-table-gaming]

I've done a bunch of research on them already because this was originally going to be a much larger video and from what I've seen they don't seem to have any size to maliketh aside from the black motif

[@blizzardgaming7070]

​​@@square-table-gaming oddly enough they seem to combine aspects of Godfrey and Radagon since they wield both Gold Breaker esque attacks and Aspects of the Crucible whose knights were Godfrey's followers.

[@taozearing8203]

Weego is Pinwheel 2: Electric Boogaloo

[@MataNuiOfficial]

Salza guards the entrance to Rauh ruins. Makes aense that these aare the ruins he refused fo burn

[@cgzepp]

Thanks!

[@square-table-gaming]

Thank you!

[@salva3017]

I Hope you do black Knights Next, I've been trying to find Lore about them but it's really hard because of the black Knights of dark souls

[@HlPBone]

Weird how Hornsent are referred to as Omen in the lands between… seems like Marika really wanted to instill her perspective that they were “bad”

[@danwright4384]

For some reason, Wego reminds me a little of Pinwheel from Dark Souls. Both wanted to try and resurrect their loved ones, but neither could. Kinda sad really.

[@JadenBailey-z2n]

Funnest boss in all of elden ring

[@trencherstorm]

Why Queelign is tarnished-sized is a mystery to me. Since he's one of the fire knights.

[@square-table-gaming]

Convenience probably

[@padrenuestre]

Do you think the Fire Knights have metal bells on the back of their cloaks because Messmer is blind and it helps him hear them instead?

[@square-table-gaming]

Good question. I believe his sealing eye is meant to act as an actual eye

[@Jonaegh]

Fire Knights are so horribly balanced Shit ton of health, shit ton of damage, shit ton of poise, infinite combos, quick evasions, PICK ONE

[@christianlaw1992]

Should rellana count? She wields Messmers flame.

[@square-table-gaming]

Rellana, as far as we know, does not belong to the order of the fire knights. She serves Messmer in another capacity sitting at the head of Castle Ensis.

[@HeyGuy4321]

Cute snek the one that looks at you closely

[@LYCAN-MASTER]

Is this any lore that links Rykard and Messmer? They both have serpent forms so in my mind they are either allies and mortal enemies.

[@square-table-gaming]

Interestingly the only lore connecting Messmer to anyone in his demigod family outside of Marika and Melina is related to Radahn. There's no mention of a connection to Rykard at all, but if we consider that he had a brotherly relationship to Radahn, it would make sense that Rykard would look up to him as well.

[@lapduynguyenthien8674]

Waiiiit… Wego = Elden Ring’s Pinwheel ? 🤔

[@TracySampy]

17:34, Elden ring lore interpretation is a truly funny thing. I'm not sure how you came to the conclusion that the Ruins Salza wanted to protect was the SHADOW KEEP and not the literal ANCIENT RUAH RUINS that are right behind him. Like he's literally guarding the ONLY way to the Ruah RUINS. I personally thought that was very obvious, but you believe hes talking about the Shadow keep?

[@square-table-gaming]

I believe that's one possibility due to his relationship with Hilde. At the end of the video I call out the other possibility that it's actually the Rauh ruins

[@succinct5241]

6:56 Shaded castle?

[@square-table-gaming]

Misspoke, shadow keep, haha

[@the1ghost764]

Intriguing.

[@Mainlymundane]

10/10 video

[@samuel-jam]

So Wego is Pinwheel?

[@whoisj]

quote sure Messmer was not Marika's first born. he was more likely her 4th after Godwyn, Mogh, and Maegit

[@square-table-gaming]

Messmer and Melina were almost definitely born before Marika and Godfrey were together, before she appointed an Elden Lord. It's too much to get into on a comment but there are multiple videos getting into this timeline out there.

[@whoisj]

@@square-table-gaming Interesting. Given the Rellana connection as a Carian, and Messmer's butterflies and red hair, and Messmer recognizing us as "Tarnished", I'd assumed it was rather late in the time line. After Godfrey's exile, after unification with the Carians, and after the rise of Radagon as Second Elden Lord.

[@alsimmonshellspawn6021]

What's the difference between messmer flame rikard flame and the fire giant flame?

[@square-table-gaming]

Rykard flame is tied to her serpent and steals life, but otherwise doesn't burn. Giant flame can burn the Erdtree, but doesn't melt away souls. Messmer flame is arguably the most destructive aside from frenzy flame because of its ties to the Abyssal serpent. It can burn away souls and the seal on Enir Ilim. It's possible it could also burn the Erdtree but the game wouldn't allow that since it has a specific gameplay purpose.

[@LED9636]

Yaaasssssss more STG 🥰🥰

[@Hideyourtoes_miyazaki]

This video is fire 🔥( pun intended)

[@rekoken2911]

11:45 ost name?

[@square-table-gaming]

St Trina's theme

[@rekoken2911]

@@square-table-gaming thanks

[@Batman_the_bad_man]

What armour do you wear?

[@square-table-gaming]

It's a mix. The death knight arms and legs, the oathseeker armor and the head piece you get from the final boss

[@Batman_the_bad_man]

@square-table-gaming thanks, I was looking for the chest piece, looks like I will have to start looking for the oathseeker set

[@AegisKHAOS]

Like so many knights, I would appreciate them more if they weren't so irritating to fight against. :p And Messmer called US mongrels. :p

[@Alexander10449]

What’s the song in the background?

[@square-table-gaming]

St Trina's theme

[@rishabhsuman1403]

Messmer's flame doesn't have the power to burn spirits.

[@square-table-gaming]

It does, there are item descriptions in game that specifically call out this power. Hefty furnace pot: The furnace's flame burns away both body and soul. When impurity is thus expunged, one calls it cleansing.

[@rishabhsuman1403]

@@square-table-gaming I think spirit & soul are different things. Only Flame of Frenzy has the power to burn spirits.

[@square-table-gaming]

@@rishabhsuman1403 given that there's no other mention of souls throughout the game I think it's fair to assume these terms are synonymous. It also adds a level of horror to the cleansing of the land of shadow since their religious practice was based around spirits. Messmer wasn't just burning the land, he was burning them to literally nothing.

[@rishabhsuman1403]

@@square-table-gaming see if messmer fire was able to burn spirits, then torrent would have abandoned us when we were fighting enemies that use Messmer's flame just like he does in the Abyss.

[@rishabhsuman1403]

@@square-table-gaming also there is some mention of souls in the base game regarding the soulless demigods residing in mausoleum, death of Godwyn being only in soul etc. I am leaning towards the belief that spirit and souls are separate things in the world of The Land's Between.

[@Vugen18]

Hilde is pronounced with the E like Hild-eh

[@PoopTheNetwork]

They didnt leave the erdtree to be with him the erdtree didnt exist yet

[@square-table-gaming]

It did, Messmer lived in the Lands Between for a time as all the written lore indicates.

[@ahmedcarcora9013]

Wow

[@noahwolk4589]

Shaded castle hmmmm

[@square-table-gaming]

Hahaha someone else called this out as well, brain fart during the recording

[@captainteutonica5474]

We-go, Messmer, Salsa, Cooed... am I the only one who hates these ridiculous names?

[@square-table-gaming]

Probs yeah

[@captainteutonica5474]

@@square-table-gaming 'least you're honest with me.

[@thechadvoltaires8930]

@@captainteutonica5474messmer us a cool name the other sre just goofy

[@VictorIV0310]

“Scadu” is pronounced the same as “Shadow”.

[@square-table-gaming]

It's never said in-game and the lore community on YT pronounces it "Scadu"

[@destinsdestiny2313]

letsgooooooooooooooooooooooo

[@NWA-TjalfeTooStonedToAim]

This AI voice is really really good ❤

[@square-table-gaming]

That's not an AI voice, that's me

[@NWA-TjalfeTooStonedToAim]

@@square-table-gaming I know and expected the internet to not understand a compliment/joke .. Tada!!! 😁