POLL: Which car brands should Stellantis sell to China?

[@electricviking]

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[@trzarector]

Only ones I see China being interested in that Stellantis would sell are Maserati, Lancia and Alfa Romeo. It could be a chance to take those brands higher end full EV. The marques still have cache but need a focus.

[@ronaldchua3197]

Chinese car campany more likely to choose Alfa Romeo or Maserati this two iconic italian brands are worth to buy

[@viking1au]

Agree on Maserati Citroen Peugot... Jeep should be scaled down, made smaller, sporty versions of its original size. Get rid of the TANKS! - Citroen should be restored to it's original theme, & suspension! They were once lovely, back in the era of DS & ID models. Real character!

[@terryward1422]

Imagine if a Chinese EV maker bought the Maserati and Alpha Romeo brands and used them to roll out a line of electric super cars that performed much better than any of the current ICE models...

[@thyristo]

...so for once they wouldn't suck.

[@Lwpi20]

Legndary Citroen

[@muhamadfadzlyshaharani5787]

I vote for Chrysler. And will vote for it again. They literally just have 1 model for sell and it was a minivan.

[@Lwpi20]

I vote for citroen, becouse Stellantis and peugeot destroyed this legendary brand.

[@utahman3953]

Keep them all and sell Carlos Tavares, though not likely a buyer.

[@BrandyHeng007]

Geely bought over famous London Black Cab taxi and slowly transforming it into EV Black Cab Taxi. Chinese knows how to think outside the box when doing business as there are many ways to skin a cat.

[@undisclosedthai]

Among many Chinese automakers, only Geely seems to be the true international automotive investor.

[@stevent4613]

Vauxhall was a British brand, Opel is a German brand. Both sell same cars with different badge

[@markbennett6658]

Once owned by GM. Vauxhall, although having a few iconic models with a fan base, is largely regarded as a very bread and butter, rep mobile, non prestigious brand in the UK and is largely irrelevant elsewhere . I don’t think the Chinese would be interested in that one. Oh and Sam thought it was a German make! Enough said.

[@jfv65]

@@markbennett6658 Opel and Vauxhall were basically the SAME post-1970's. And both brands were VERY popular because they made decent quality affordable cars. Now they use PSA (Peugeot/Citroen/DS) platforms for their cars. The smaller PSA cars were very popular in France, Spain, Portugal, Belgium, Netherlands, Luxemburg. I would say they were less reliable then the Opel/Vauxhall cars but still OK. Little known fact: Peugeot is the oldest car brand that has been and still is producing cars.

[@willmcclenaghan109]

I've owned four Alfa Romeos in the 1970's and 80's and loved them. I kind of wish China would buy them and make something out of the brand, it deserves to carry on.

[@mdebart8678]

All of them. They will run circles around the mess carlos is leading into the gutter!

[@andrewmutavi590]

Imagine if Cherry got their hands on Citreon n Jeep 😍😍😍😍,BYD get their hands on RAM n Maserati😍😍😍😍,Geely gets their hands on the Mini brand😍😍😍😍

[@undisclosedthai]

Mini belongs to BMW not Stellantis

[@markrowland1366]

Painful, but make a plan and persevere. Toyoda declared he lied and that was how business in Japan saw that as normal.

[@joshuarosen465]

They'll probably shutdown Chrysler, there has been no investment in Chrysler in 20 years and now they are down to a single aging minivan. They won't sell the brand to the Chinese, that would make it easier for the Chinese to enter the American market which would be terrible for all of the American car companies.

[@JasonLowderTheRanga]

The chinese can bring back the 300C as the 300E - the electric gangster mobile.

[@AndrewGrove-in1oh]

Vauxhall is a British brand but since the 1980s its just sold rebadged Opels for the UK market.

[@eish3291]

Vauxhall is a British and Australian Opel.

[@godwindracing6056]

@@eish3291Opel for Ireland too and anywhere other than UK

[@13031983]

those brands will be more better cars if they sold to China for sure. quality etc.

[@answerwu2011]

alfa romeo for sure. Chinese ppl love this brand so much

[@josephnapoli1694]

BYD should purchase Chrysler so they can bring their cars into the USA without having to pay any tariffs

[@poopkljok8342]

BYD never acquires other brands. Only geely likes to acquire other brands.

[@ristekostadinov2820]

Getting Lancia will be pretty cool since Fiat have killed that brand, they had sold some Ypsilon in Italy for some time but is nothing beyond local car brand in the last 2 decades. It have a cool history as being very innovative car brand in the 1960s, legendary rally cars.

[@eish3291]

My memory of Lancia in the 1970,s was that it was a rally car. It was not a car for everyday use such as the golf or Corolla.

[@ainschuntayleuhn1147]

Stellantis might as well just give BYD the Works! Maybe then we will see Affordable Vehicles again.

[@FloydThePink]

I would buy a Alfa Giulia QF or Maserati GranTurismo today if not for the fact those makes are always in the bottom 5 cars in reliability, year after year. Right next to Jaguar F-Type, another awesome car that will let you get to know the dealer mechanic by name.

[@aureliancozma251]

I like Jeep Avenger but - E-Hybrid is £ 25,999 and Electric is 34,999 Tesla Model 3 - 39,990 or Model Y - 44,990 what i decide so Tesla Model Y Best Car - But Jeep Electric was under 25,000 or 22,000 then i change my mind )))

[@TheDirkdams]

Vauxhall and Opel are the same !

[@terryward1422]

Many global consumer actually like to drive sedans so a Chinese EV makers could buy the brand to create a lineup of premium performance EVs with really luxurious interiors to mimic the Chryslers models from the 50's. They might want to create performance EVs versions of the Challanger and the Charger.

[@Rolerus]

Vauxhall is still I believe a UK company. It shares a lot of models with the german Opel.

[@GaryJohnWalker1]

But even under GM ownership (of nearly a century!), they all but closed Vauxhall several times to major on Opel. Yheir only remaining fans might be near Luton and Liverpool where the factories are.

[@keithhooper6123]

Most Vauxhall cars are re badged Peugeots. Astra and Vivaro made in UK.

[@montyaherin2606]

all of them

[@thepandolfster8510]

All of them. They list their way a long time ago.

[@terryward1422]

There would be so many possibilities for Chinese to revive legacy brands as premium and performance brands that it fun to imagine the possibilities. If China's EV manufacturers were to use their manufacture prowess to build plants in Europe to "Dodge" the tariffs and make compelling performance EVs it would be "game over" for anyone else not producing a compelling EV.

[@junaidisalam5718]

well, its obvious... italy wants china to built car manufacturing in italy... of course it would be italian brand. maserati, alfa romeo are great candidates

[@jonassamme1889]

Stellatris should bring back DS, Abarth as trim levels into Citroên and FIAT. RAM should be brought back into Dodge as the truck line. Maserati could be sold off to be it's own thing just like FIAT did with Ferarri. Lanica, Alfa-Romeo and Chrysler could be sold to the Chinese. They don't have any potential in Stellantris any time soon. Stellantris should focus on Opel (Opel can keep Vauxhall the badge, it is important in the UK) FIAT, Citroên, Peugeot JEEP and Dodge. So five (6 with Vauxhall) brands instead of fourteen. Focusing on massmarket brands that's where their strenght is. Affordable cars for the masses. If they want to Dodge to remain a preformance brand they should seriously think of bringing back the Plymouth brand as a badge on Dodge products as a lower priced line of stripped down muscle cars aimed at the young audinence like it used to be. That is dearly needed in the US. Brand loyalty is created early on in life.

[@jorgealbertovargassierra8518]

Maserati

[@garrettsmith2654]

Vauxhall is a UK brand, not a German brand. Germany makes Mercedes Benz , Audi, and BMW. And Opel.

[@ashtaroth1975]

There is no space within the Stellantis group for Lancia,Alfa romeo, DS and chrysler. They have to choose one, like SEAT and Cupra in the VW group, there is only one spot

[@Lwpi20]

There is no place for only one brand. For Citroen. Becouse on Stellantis is Peugeot and DS Automobiles.

[@kcobley]

BYD will attempt to buy either entirely or a majority Stellanis stockholding, a huge stock market fall particularly in an recession affected sector like automotive is an opportunity for BYD a state backed company with unlimited resources. BYD wants an easy entry into both European and US markets with their factories located both in Europe and the US.

[@undisclosedthai]

I guess it is Vauxhall and Chrysler. And Lancia if Stellantis don't need it. I think it is not Ram for sure, since it is the only one true pickup truck brand of Stellantis. I can't imagine if the Chinese buyer is not Geely, since it seems to be the only one Chinese-based international automotive investor. I think Maserati brand can replace Yangwang but BYD seems to don't wanna buy brands, likes to create new brands, build your (their) dreams.

[@kbtred51]

Stellantis own more dormant brands than active ones that can easily be sold for rebadging. Vauxhall is the British market brand for the beastly Opel German cars (because of history).

[@camrodger8638]

As opposed to Ram, which is just another truck in a sea of legacy trucks, Jeep remains a unique product. Make it mechanically reliable and at a fair retail price, provide a pleasant and fair purchase experience, and it WILL sell. But Stellantis just doesn’t get it. If one needs to figure out what Stellantis is doing wrong, just study someone who has done it right. The Tesla Model Y has become the number one selling car model on the face of the entire planet in a very short period of time when compared to the legacy auto industry. A good car at a fair price sold through a pleasant and fair sales model. It’s just that simple. Good vehicle, fair price, pleasant sales experience. Just how does the top paid auto company executive not get it?

[@timoliver8940]

Would a Chinese EV badged as a Holden sell in Australia as well as MG’s EVs sell in the UK?

[@grahamsmith6443]

The problem is that they all auto compete. They need to give each brand a segment to specialise in. Exec/luxury/standard/budget then if you have duplicates pop them on the chop rather than generally making accusations

[@maksimegaloman]

Honestly, the best brand to revive would be SAAB. Imagine the safety it offered being revived in a EV/HEV car or even SUV. Volvo would have a big competitor then.

[@EJFJ-Corporation]

They were very good 25 years ago, but very very bad now, SAAB equivalent or even much better is Xpeng Motors!

[@profemeritus534]

The Chinese actually already bought Saab right after the bankruptcy and manufactured a few batches of electric 9-3s. Was kept around as a phantom brand, but was shut down last year forever.

[@maksimegaloman]

@@profemeritus534 Yeah I know about that attempt. The timing was wrong for the product, revived brands were looked different upon and having a chinese owner meant downgrade in quality. What if the same thing happened now, as it did with mg

[@mikel4879]

Sam, watch TDK CeraCharge solid-state battery with a density of 1000 watt-hours per litter .

[@ChrisMan-pk4bl]

Chrysler and Dodge... this could give them.a big footprint in the US,,and a quicj way to break into the US market

[@frankmoore159]

what brands holy smoke mate

[@MrGMawson2438]

Stellantis should sell all

[@richh650]

Chrysler, with Dodge, Ram, and also Jeep... were huge up until 20 years ago. I would love to see them break completely away into their own company once again... far away from Stellantis and also China. Unfortunately, there are likely very few entities that would sink cash into those brands any longer. Very sad that Stellantis has ruined so much!

[@sirkeg1]

Chrysler would be radioactive to any Chinese company. No CEO wants to be hauled before the US congress and forced to divest or something. DS is useless and had to withdraw from China. Vauxhall and Lancia are interesting ideas perhaps. Maseratti and Alfa Romeo are probably the top picks.

[@calengr1]

Toyota only has 4 brands : "As of 2024, the Toyota Motor Corporation produces vehicles under four brands: Daihatsu, Hino, Lexus and the namesake Toyota." Stellantis needs to reduce the brands it attempts to support..... if Maserati became an entry level luxury brand for the USA at $35k then it would presumably lose their $200K customers.

[@ericsimonson5852]

They should break Stellantis into three companies: Trucks/SUVs, Passenger Cars, and Premium Vehicles. That might allow them to live for another few years. The first thing I would do if I owned Stellantis is I would sell Jeep to the highest bidder to fund the rebuilding of the company. I would then spin off all of the non-premium European car companies into one unit and the US brands into another. I would either sell or shut down the premium brands (Chrysler/DS/Alfa/Maserati/Lancia.) Regardless of how it was split up, I don't think many of these brands other than Jeep are worth a whole lot outside of their domestic markets.

[@geraldstephens6612]

This situation with Stellantis is quite messy; there's no way how this will turn out.

[@danadcock9743]

Screw all of Stellantis! They should have stayed in Europe instead of riding what little of Chrysler Corp might have remained viable into the ground.

[@ltribley]

SAAB EV's having owned one if they could maintain a sense of traditional styling. Triumph EV's would be a nice balance with MG if the brand is available. Jeep EV''s. Jeep-like vehicles are very popular in China. A relative there has one. The TANK brand is an excellent example and very popular. Friend in China had a Maserati. They were somewhat popular in larger cities. Don't' think they'd make it in China now. Opel. Friend also had one in CN. Dump them. The Italian brands should be made by Chinese companies in Italy and could prove fairly popular. A Fiat EV 124 Spider would be cool. Chrysler? Send them to the dustbin of auto history with their Desoto's. Stellantis. Shut them down.

[@dewfend]

Alfa, definitely. and the sales will happen,

[@jameshack485]

So many to choose from

[@larryevans6739]

I would go for Jeep and rebadge Fang Cheng Bao models.

[@incognitotorpedo42]

Where's the poll? It's not showing up for me.

[@Suburp212]

There is none.

[@beal131]

Jeep

[@paulocarvalho1982]

Vauxhal and Opel are the same.

[@shuxian5836]

Stella it’s brand should be sold

[@andrewsoos2113]

If China wants the people mover market, maybe Chrysler is a good investment.

[@bautea]

Chery (most likely) or Geely will buy Alfa Romeo

[@WarrenLacefield]

Honestly, I never was happy with some company - Stellantis, here - buying up all of those familiar and highly respected brands. That kind of aggregation tends to dilute and cheapen a "brand" that consumers have come to value highly and trust. I think China is perfectly capable of building and promoting its own brands. Brands should be associated with countries and companies with mission statements and highly trained workers. I greatly respected Volvo, Fiat, MG, and, for that matter, Chrysler, because of their companies distinct differences and reputations. Stellantis? That has just seemed like some corporate management shell company, relying on the past accomplishments of others. I really don't understand either WHY respectable Chinese companies would want to be the owners of distinctly American or European "brands" in the first place?

[@EJFJ-Corporation]

They need to offer them with factories, with what they robbed for years to badly respected car users who were exploited as employees but not rewarded as they should have been for testing partial things which are not made to match perfectly what the user really needs!

[@KaisiirFlynn]

Dodge starts to rebadged cars from GAC. Gac empow to Dodge Attitude, maybe gac will be the one who’ll buy dodge brand?

[@steve5090406]

Sam, flip this idea on its head, the reason the Chinese brands want the Stellantis brands is because the Chinese brands have no heritage, this is why they will never sell well in other markets. These brands will not be revived under Chinese management, they will simply be the token DEI employee in the organization, the industry is currently supported by the CCP and as soon as it stops all these companies will go under. Carlos is right, the only possible way these brands can come back and grow is under management that knows and respects it's heritage. The platform sharing strategy put in place when Stellantis was formed is starting to show some promise, it needs some more time.

[@tedg1609]

I’d sell Stellantis.

[@GM4ThePeople]

Peugeot, Vauxhall, Opel & Fiat, baybee. The Chinee have an appreciation for European history, even if we don't. o/

[@eclecticcyclist]

They could sell Vauxhall or Opel quite easily as they are currently badge engineered versions of the same basic designs.

[@naga2015kk]

yes basically both brands DIED long ago.

[@DanRyzESPUK]

Opel is still selling cars like cupcakes, as well as Peugeot. We're talking about the likes of DS or Lancia.

[@m.3257]

They should sell Vauxhall but keep Opel 😅

[@evanleo7633]

Didn’t stellantis just bought leapmoto?

[@DileepaRanawake]

lol all. But China should buy none and just focus on becoming synonymous with quality and excellent. Then when consumers start seeing built in China it’s a good thing. And why would you want to buy Stellantis? When you buy a brand you buy legacy. Tesla and to a lesser extent Rivian are demonstrating brands can be built. Secondly when Japan autos his the us it was synonymous with not great in auto until they changed the formula. China now means built cheap, unsafe, unreliable to most people - but every Tesla made in China demonstrates otherwise and the results will show.

[@christophreuter9572]

Vauxhall is a british brand.

[@winstonsmyth1646]

Vauxhall hasn't been British for a long time, they where just rebadged right hand drive Opels now they're resyled Peugeots.

[@alex.velasco]

Sorry, but US consumers know nothing about these European brands, they might have heard of ‘Maserati,’ but they don’t know their cars. Anyway, I can’t see this mishmash of car brands surviving for much longer in this form.

[@deepred6502]

Chrysler: zombie brand at this point. DS: Citroens with extra leather & wood trim. Abarth: Fiats with racing stripes. Vauxhall: Opels with British accents. Lancia: Peugeots/Citroens in sleek Italian suits.

[@Lwpi20]

DS Automobiles is more Peugeot than Citroen now.

[@frankmoore159]

mate most of those brands have no customers anymore for the brand most new gens will think its all new until they do homework of history ford says it will make little cars ev for 30k

[@Michael-yi4mc]

Stellantis should give up making cars and sell potato chips, instead.

[@MrGMawson2438]

Cheers mate

[@diegoyanesholtz212]

I would keep Ram, and Dodge, one European brand, maybe I would sell Alfa Romeo, I would see Citroen or Peugeot, and I would keep Fiat, very profitable in Latin America. Maybe Fiat can be the lower end and Peugeot and be the upper end. Or do what Renault, Nissan, and Mitsubishi did, Nissan focused on North America a little in South America, Renault focused on South America and Europe, and Mitsubishi on Asia, Fiat should focus on Latin America, maybe I keep Citroen and focus on it on Asia and the middle east and sell Peugeot for the Chinese. Dodge would be an American brand only for the North American market. Ram would produce Trucks so I'd scraped the trucks produced by another brand such as Fiat. Opal/Vauxhall should be sold to the Chinese.

[@arminius6506]

GWM should go and pick up RAM

[@thesimbon]

Please check the news before posting stuff: Italian government is not going to take any of the well known brands, they only hinted that they may take away those brands acquired by Fiat decades ago and that are no longer selling for many years.

[@andreaspetersson3311]

All of them! 😁😁

[@thyristo]

Stellantis should sell Stellantis.

[@sainta2667]

The problem is that the EV market is collapsing! And Stelantis with it's stupidity was trying to go all electric with Maserati and Alfa and other sportive brands, people don't want EV, the woke up! the second hand EV market is crushing! Let's hope Stelantis will wake up too.

[@MrGMawson2438]

I'm not sure about Vauxhall being German Sam mate

[@hardi.howdy.983]

What do you know! Since 1980, Vauxhall products have been largely identical to those of Opel, and most models are principally engineered in Rüsselsheim am Main, Germany.

[@eclecticcyclist]

@@hardi.howdy.983 Wherever they are designed the brand is British. At one time the Vauxhall/Opel Vivaro van was basically a rebadged Renault Trafic and the Vauxhall version was built at Ellesmere Port.

[@eddiestevenson-kaatsch6306]

Jeep. Americans still love Jeeps, and if a Chinese business bought the brand they could build Americans Jeeps in America. Perhaps starting by send knock-down kits there initially? It'd make sense. I cannot see the point of them buying brands that are of little or no value because they haven't been popular for ages (Lancia, etc).

[@orresearch007]

Americans will not let this Iconic brand owned by Chinese, will be overwhelmed by resentments.

[@incognitotorpedo42]

Maserati would be awesome as an EV. As an ICE, I just pity them because they could have gotten a Model S instead.

[@BrunoHeggli-zp3nl]

Stellantis is Just amazing,so many great Cars,mindblowing!

[@Pro1er]

I disagree, I think that China would love to buy Chrysler products so that they can get a foot in America's door and not have to face enormous import tariffs.

[@grandemage]

When I bought my PHEV this year, Dodge/Jeep/RAM wasn't even on my shopping list for many reasons. The prices were way higher than the competition, history of reliability definitely came to mind, and I didn't really like the Hornet or the Jeeps for my needs. Stellantis needs to get its crap together as their main problem is they've priced the average consumer out of their vehicles creating a ghost town at their dealers. Stop acting so surprised when you're charging up to $100k+ for Jeeps and pickups and realize responsible people aren't going to spend anywhere near that.

[@williambeasley7806]

Stellantis won't sell Chysler, Dodge,Jeep because they seem intent on destroying the brand and making there own.

[@MikeKisil]

What is holding back stellantis ? DEALERSHIPS.

[@Cecil-yc6mc]

Musk's biggest contribution to the disruption of the car business won't be EVs...it will be the direct sale model

[@MikeKisil]

@@Cecil-yc6mc yes that happend when a few states made it hard on tesla ok so that is long gone what are those states doing now I can tell you a little bit they are one sorry ass ones.

[@rlsedition]

You, sir, are full of it, just like your EV sales fantasies.

[@doug.horne2378]

Never sell a brand that has produced classic cars or is producing future classic cars now. Alfa for example. Reliability is crap but my god don't they generate emotion. They will almost certainly cease production fairly soon. But keep the name. No one knows what the future holds. This will keep the name high in car lover's esteem forever. Sell it to China, they will make money because of the name for a decade or so then they will become just another car, forever, and those who own one of the early classics will see their pride and joy lumped in the same bag. And who knows, somewhere down the track an opportunity might come along to start making classic cars again. Open the safe, dust off the name and start again. Once it's gone, that is forever.

[@shanghaidiscovery2664]

Maybe Jeep but then again probably none... Stellantis have burnt their bridges in China with the state owned auto sector. A lot of empty factories for Citroen, Peugeot, Fiat in Wuhan and Guangdong. Stellantis strategy here was crap for decades when they should have been successful - they had a hugh share of taxi market in several provinces and squandered that away. Their local partners helped in 2008 and later and basically got stiffed. Not even sure they would take a brand for free this time. And as for luxury? Alfa was a dismal failure... Maserati is so yesterday.... anyway, if I were the like of Dongfeng and GAC (the historic JV partners of Stellantis) I would not pay for anything and maybe even asked to be paid to take anything off their hands

[@freeheeler09]

Are Chrysler and Dodge still around? I’d be surprised if they are!

[@Michael-yi4mc]

It’s the final countdown!🎵

[@raymondschembri5042]

@@Michael-yi4mc leave that to Eroupe the band

[@jamesvandamme7786]

Mine isn't.

[@hardi.howdy.983]

Which car brands should Stellantis sell to China? Is it a trick question?

[@2010hyundaielantra]

Stellantis should sell itself to china

[@willeisinga2089]

China loves EV Cars.👍👍👍☀️🌞🌹

[@Phtang-phtang]

👋 best wishes Viking

[@glike2]

Keep RAM making good EV trucks and vans

[@ernielaw]

Get rid of Carlos Tavaras, Sell Jeep, Ram & Dodge to Ford, Offer the remained to China.Always liked American cars, and thinking about buying a 2023 Chrysler 300.