Eli Saslow & Derek Black - Leaving the KKK and White Supremacy | The Daily Show

“Unless we go through the act of confronting it, it’s going to continue to grow and be a dangerous force in what the country is.” Derek Black and Eli Saslow tell the story of leaving the KKK and confronting white supremacy in America. #DailyShow #DerekBlack #EliSaslow
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[@richardpage5812]

I got nothing but respect for someone who has been brainwashed as a child but can find his way out. That takes a level of strength that few possess.

[@urduib]

Can´t imagine how you start that process. These guys got all my respect.

[@richardpage5812]

@@urduib I guess by questioning what you've been taught.

[@urduib]

@@richardpage5812 I guess asking questions to your family will be shut down hard, since they brainwashed you to begin with.. So getting into college or into the military, can give you the break you need to start the process.

[@richardpage5812]

@@urduib Questioning doesn't mean you just dismiss what you've been taught but merely means you are taking a hard look at what you've been taught instead of just blindly accepting it. What you've been taught may indeed be true but you won't know unless you do your own research. Growing up I was taught that black people are in the position that they are in because they refused to educate themselves and wanted things to be handed to them. But as I got older and did my own research I learned it was the total opposite of what I've been taught. My parents neglected to tell me everything our people did to insure that they stayed behind, I never even knew about the Tulsa Massacre until last year, that is something that should be required learning in every school in this country. I don't think my parents purposely dummied me down because they love me very much, but their lack of knowledge contributed to my lack of knowledge but there was always this feeling that I needed to see the world for myself and what I learned upended everything I was taught. Now some of my best friends are the same people they taught me to look down on. It's sad because so many people are in this same predicament but lack the will or the strength to question their teachings.

[@GrimSleepy]

@@richardpage5812 Same, I don't know why the stereo-types placed on melanic Americans still persist... I was raised the same as you. Once I got on the workforce, and seen the hustle melanic people put forth, it was obvious which side of the contradiction was falsifiable as well as simply derisive. It's my opinion that instead of counter-protesting we should try to get dialogue opened up, so we can try to find the root of their fear. I hate people who protest anyone's 1st Amendment, it's the speech we DON'T want to hear, that we should protect. These nationalists somehow got the belief that 'white' people are being oppressed, silenced, and pushed out of the country or killed. When you march to their pleas and cries of fear, and tell them to shut up, and tell them to leave, and tell them how you wish them dead... Aren't you merely proving them correct?

[@loismcfarland5706]

This is proof that children aren't born hating others, but are taught to hate by adults.

[@marctouss1862]

der..

[@sumnersvensson7237]

It wasn't about that.

[@mevvg7919]

Very true!!

[@dmartin8442]

Right. It starts at home

[@kissit012]

No shit.

[@stephanieholder7063]

They probably lost family and friends due to their new beliefs and turning away from the hatred that they were thought...kudos to you guys.

[@sylviasworld9397]

Why would you want to keep those family and friends though?

[@Whatsyourproblem99]

Ummm they have evil family and friends. Like there was no other sensible option.

[@blazaybla22]

Derek was the one that left white nationalism, as his father (Don Black - look him up, he led an attempted armed invasion of the island of Dominica to try to start a white nationalist nation) is one of the most powerful people in the movement. The other guy is a journalist who initially wrote an excellent 2016 WaPo profile of Derek before writing this book, which is really worth reading and explains how thoroughly Derek's family excommunicated him. He tried to turn up at his father's birthday party after publicly coming out against white nationalism, and his entire extended family threatened to leave the party if Derek was allowed to stay.

[@Megaredronin]

@@blazaybla22 amazing thanks for that bit of info not to make light of the gravitas .....but the irony of his surname has not escaped me!!😁

[@kpuda7722]

@@sylviasworld9397 When it's your immediate family (the two people who conceived and gave birth to you and your siblings) don't even want to see your face or associate themselves with you, it's a little harder to say that. When your own father tells you it would be better if he never had you and even when his paternal feelings make him regretful and apologetic, still decides to ridicule you, it's probably not a relief or a liberating feeling. Especially when he's the only person in your family who would even talk to you.

[@JML6988]

Politics aside for a nanosecond, it always comes down to one thing: empathy. If you're willing to appreciate the struggle of the person next to you, walls won't get very far.

[@dannacht6827]

Americans lack empathy because they are privileged.

[@scenariomckinney]

Contrary to popular opinion...Black Lives do Matter. Not saying no others do. Just saying that ours matter too. Well said John Lujan. 👏

[@TravisKerr1]

Empathy by nature is tied to ideology - which in itself is politics. The left side of the political spectrum is about empathy inherently. The right side of the political spectrum is individualist. It's the ratio of those two human traits that are the base of determining ideology. The in-debate for the left will always be "what is the best way to help everyone" and the in-debate for the right will always be "what is the best way to help *us*". It's inclusion versus exclusion.

[@nertervern]

Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free

[@kammille7805]

Biggest issue right here, racists and xenophobes to the core of their being dont believe that Bipoc or non-western ppl are human being on their same level. It’s the supremacy ideology. I of course know what you mean. In my struggle with racism and sociopathy I have had to analyse and come to some kind of conclusion. And based on ppl in my country... they dont regard them as “valuable”.... yay! Capitalism... found you

[@f.prince6642]

The gentleman hit the nail on the head. Assumptions can lead to misunderstanding and that can breed hate. Happy to see some people are willing to challenge their beliefs to see the world a little different.

[@luzukokapa897]

Glimmer of hope

[@kirkpatrickg191]

Racism is not dead, but it is on life support -- kept alive by politicians, race hustlers and people who get a sense of superiority by denouncing others as 'racists' Thomas Sowell

[@byronrainer9121]

They see people like them are being prosecuted now. Don’t believe for a second they’ve changed. Just like Drumph they’ll say this today and tomorrow they’ll be right back at it.

[@jakes658]

@@byronrainer9121 You're more racist than they ever were it seems...

[@beverlybodnar6247]

They're believing to move forward. It's a choice. It doesn't matter whether you believe they can change. They were raised with hate with superiority. And that's not the way they choose to live their lives now. I respect that.

[@deevahlyshus]

This is why the “old heads” don’t want younger members in congress and the senate: change is inevitable.

[@MOMMENETWORK]

true

[@itsmyopinion1069]

Facts

[@mckenzie.8653]

Exactly

[@patriciacolombini6567]

Sooo true. SAd though

[@SammyxSweetheart.02]

No cap. All the boomers are going to be long gone soon while young people are still here picking up where they left off

[@geesule9015]

“It ran in my family until it ran into Me” read that. Again

[@lisagraywealthywomentradef1746]

Got you .How God usually takes care of it

[@funinthekitchen844]

I've always said "Children learn by example"

[@tukessahousen4983]

❤🌺

[@unowayontheway7392]

I read it a couple times like ooooohhh

[@kanguessokang9918]

@@lisagraywealthywomentradef1746 “God” takes care of nothing. In fact, he makes everything worse. He hands you a book that condones slavery, racism and misogyny and you think he takes care of things?

[@c.mccool1123]

This guy is lucky he was smart enough to figure his way out of that mindset and strong enough deal with battling his own identity. So many people don’t have that capacity.

[@christansdad]

"Neutrality helps the oppressor, never the victim. Silence encourages the tormentor, never the tormented." - Elie Wiesel

[@why2874]

I’ve never heard someone step off the cliff and survive with a sound mind and a beating heart. Love and light to these guys, they survived.

[@urduib]

They are truly remarkable. Digging yourself out of being brainwashed through your childhood. The strength and balls on these guys are of the charts

[@Nupetiet]

It can be done, but it's difficult to do. I think that a lot of people make the mistake of thinking that they can persuade a white nationalist, especially a Fascist, by being kind and compassionate towards them, but this doesn't work right away. Their worldview treats these as weaknesses, and when you demonstrate them, you're only convincing them that they're right, and that your tolerance has made you weak and cringe. The best results I've gotten are from being confident and _aggressive._ They don't expect this, and it can be unnerving when they see an anti-racist being firm and not giving any ground. This can crack their armor, and if they notice that they're always afraid and you're not, they might start to wonder why. Kindness and compassion are in abundant supply, but they have to put the gun down, first.

[@j.columbus9240]

Poetry in motion for the actual notion. For real, this perspective is one that it sense when a human being wants to BE BETTER.

[@patriciacolombini6567]

Can't wait to read comment s here. Will listen to this dialogue soon. Love love love is the key to life. Hatred all of us. God bless us all we need it.

[@patriciacolombini6567]

@@Nupetiet God gave us a spiritual tool the power of prayer. Believe in it with your heart And soul. Amazing grace will be given to all of us. See have different color of skin but believe it or not we all are brothers And sisters in Christ. We will feel better About ourselves. God bless

[@sabrinamameri8309]

It's irony of being named "Black" and growing up hating that entire community.

[@hotcumodity7777]

I was just about to type this comment ✌🏾

[@buzzy677]

I thought I was the only one who saw that

[@dawn-reneelanier4551]

Just wow...I wonder if his former affiliates taunted him for his surname.

[@geigercourtier]

Someday I’m just going to be labeled as “Melanin 65%” on the melanin content scale. Languages will be outdated and medicine will give us enough time to sort out differences and see whole new planets

[@rudyardwalker9113]

@@geigercourtier nah

[@anissasharief5623]

"It's harder to be anti-racist than a white nationalist because..." That quote.

[@LaTriskaMSmall]

Yes. I had to rewind it

[@tranjavanadbia123]

Are you a feminist ? Are you a Democrat ? Are you upset that Cardi B. has been arrested for 8 counts of rape ?

[@alexarvio7991]

@@tranjavanadbia123 Hotel? Trivago?

[@tranjavanadbia123]

@@alexarvio7991 Cardi B. sole 8000 $ from me at gunpoint.

[@alexarvio7991]

@@tranjavanadbia123 thought so

[@lawrencedurden3673]

I commend these guys on making a change in their lives to go against what they were raised on.

[@kristofferhellstrom]

Yeah.. And i'm sure they can do alot of a good now

[@poringlittlefoot7546]

I really hope that they can continue to have the right mind to question anything that might go against good values.

[@kristofferhellstrom]

@@poringlittlefoot7546 mm.. Hopefully they can have a community with them. I guess they have had to rebuild they lives.

[@johnwing-wessels3214]

Dude doesnt see his title still says kkk because he smiling like its firt time lookin in a camera.

[@Becky_Cal]

I agree. But we need more people like these guys to stand up for what’s right! The future of our country is literally in their hands. Let’s home these guys can influence others like them and more white folks in general to speak loudly and look at what’s in the best interest of America as a country, not just one group of people. Otherwise, we all go down.

[@Brad-ir7dv]

These guys didn’t just change their views, they changed their lives, families and friends. It’s very impressive.

[@sheilameyers152]

Wow.... they know how NOT to be!

[@medusaspupil]

@@sheilameyers152 it's simple, just do the opposite of trump.

[@abdullahikhalif9617]

8

[@blazaybla22]

Jfyi, the guy in the middle was the only one who left white nationalism. The other guy is a journalist who wrote a book about him. There is an excellent WaPo profile from 2016 called "the white flight of Derek Black" that is really worth a read, I thought it was really interesting. (The author of that article went on to write the book they're talking about on the show)

[@Brad-ir7dv]

@@blazaybla22 good to know!

[@RayMak]

Thank you for not being racist

[@muhammadnazhar7530]

thanks for being everywhere

[@Koji5boke]

@@muhammadnazhar7530 lol

[@cococherrymango1225]

Nobody should be getting a pat on the back for not being racist

[@cococherrymango1225]

@Ashvith Shetty no. NOT being a racist and not hurting people because of racism is the bare minimum. Its expected

[@Jack-tb2fg]

@@cococherrymango1225 I understand what you mean. But this guy was taught to be racist. Becoming someone who condemns it is huge. It’s not like he was the middle man and now he is condemning it.

[@tytaylor6924]

Sounds like intelligence beat white supremacy

[@GeronFletcher]

Yep. That’s why they want to keep our school systems in flux. So people don’t smarten up

[@toninatoli]

One of the many things I appreciate about Trevor Noah as an interviewer, he genuinely facilitates conversation.. He let's his guests talk and responds to them!

[@chrisnoran]

The opposite of Jimmy Fallon, I think

[@tanadarko6991]

Yeah and he has this really like, gentle/compassionate tone that's grounded in thoughtfulness. He just seems like genuinely good people.

[@ramonadominguez2677]

VERY TRUE

[@DiegoMartinezCoria]

He's a kid from the wrong side of the tracks. I think this single fact is probably the big reason he's got a good head on his shoulders and is empathetic. That and like any brown or black mom, his momma wasn't afraid to spank if he was being naughty.

[@ramonduterte7370]

He is an excellent interviewer; he creates incredible, memorable conversations that have a huge impact. Not only is he skilled at conversation, but he is clearly prepared for the subjects they are going to talk about with very insightful commentary.

[@kennethlockhart2795]

“Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.” -Martin Luther King, Jr.

[@thefilthiestofcasuals6565]

amen. as a white kid growing up, I always assumed Racism would just... go away? like why are we still arguing over it. I still dont understand why racism, but I understand that it needs to be fought. these 4 years under the president's chaos have shown me what I as an american citizen need to do to fight. we are in a war for our nation, where our votes are our swords and our voices are our sheilds.

[@ambermuckerman6755]

Timeless message, still as potent today.

[@jay-d2885]

Actually, Jesus Christ said this.

[@shan0997]

@@jay-d2885 If the only message you received from Kenneth's comment. Results in you feeling it imperative to correct the accurate source. Then you did not get the message!

[@godsgiftnina1432]

Amen!

[@notta3d]

This guy is sharp. I'm glad he realized his thinking was toxic.

[@NemoNiemand497]

Jip, a lot makes sense.

[@lupemorning9003]

I agree‼️‼️‼️

[@jensnow6551]

Takes a lot to realize something like he does. Or anyone that leaves any racist group.

[@kbsinsanewrld]

When my daughter was in school, I told her "Do not align yourself with one particular group of people. Be friendly towards everyone, especially those smart in Math because child, I can't help you there." The result of that is a young adult who can navigate her way through any group of people regardless to their race/ethnicity and social status. People always ask me how did I raise such a likeable socially intelligent child when I myself can be quite the introvert. My response is always..."That's how I chose to raise her." People have a choice in how to raise their kids and sometimes it does mean moving out of one's comfort zones. Hating someone just because they are different from you is definitely not an option in my household. An asshole is an asshole regardless to race and/or ethnicity.

[@ellenm4291]

Love this!

[@mik7564]

Lol at the math remark. But this is beautiful. My parents raised me the same way.

[@flclub54]

That math comment! Lol 😂 Thank you for sharing ❤️ beautifully said.

[@cweretelnyk]

It is so refreshing to hear a white American male plainly admit that “America was founded as a white supremacist country” and “being a white nationalist is saying that things are fine as they are and you’re good and don’t give ‘em an inch if they call you a racist”. How the majority of white America is ok with this status quo is beyond me. More honest conversations like this are very necessary.

[@ecomamaadmin3328]

100%

[@sobeliever1638]

Very true but I think a lot white Amercians don't want to talk about race because they prefer to just say I am color blind, list their black friends and faimly members,past boyfriends/girlfriends and move on.

[@kukuricapica]

@@sobeliever1638 that is what he was talking about. It's easier for a lot of white americans stay silent and do nothing than to admit that there is a race equality in U.S. and that they have to change it. Also after this year events it's become more obvious to people in EU (im European) that U.S. is a racist country. You have ignorant people everywhere, but I have yet to see a truly ignorant person in my life. People kinda look at me sometimes funny, but when they spoke to me, they kinda forget your color. I do have to say though that every GF I've had had a family that wasn't too much happy that they daughter is dating person of color even though I was smart and had great paying job. So I guess we have to wait another 30 years until new generation takes over.

[@bluetube8824]

As a white guy, I totally agree, but unlike you, it is not beyond me how people can be OK with the status quo. I was part of that status quo for a long time; in some regards I still am. The thing about being white is that it doesn't feel like you are privileged. The way you experience privilege is just as the absence of trouble; you still have to work for your living, you still face the normal ups and downs of careers and lives and whether you got into college and so on. It is just you don't have anyone actively hating you or holding you back from success. It's really hard to notice the absence of trouble; you don't notice it until you get to know people who endure the trouble you are missing, i.e. black people. Even then, as a white guy, there is a really strong taboo against talking about racial issues with black people, even close friends; you are always super worried you will say the wrong thing, and your friend will think you are racist. The easiest way to ensure I don't offend is to not say anything at all. Trouble is, that silence ensures that I never learn the realities lived by others, and I never see my own absence of trouble. So, the status quo is easy to maintain. Insidiously easy.

[@ecomamaadmin3328]

Sad how many black people engage in white supremacy once they gain wealth. They go silent, feel superior to poorer blacks, throw them under the bus and marry lesser than whites who will carry them to the cleaners at the first sight of trouble.

[@memeokere5278]

Holy shit. These guys aren't cowardly. They're actually speaking unfiltered truth. That's so rare.

[@iadorenewyork1]

Because they are of superior intelligence, and wrote a thoughtful book, white nationalists probably will be unaware of them.

[@blazaybla22]

The dude in the middle was the only one who left white nationalism. The other guy is a journalist who wrote a book about him. There is an excellent WaPo profile from 2016 called "the white flight of Derek Black" that is really worth a read, I thought it was really interesting. (The author of that article went on to write the book they're talking about on the show)

[@colouredIncognito]

Rare, in the USA

[@silveriver9]

More are waking up

[@haplessasshole9615]

It's rare, and dangerous at this time. Derek Black just told us how to shut down white nationalist recruiting techniques. He just gave us a very powerful tool against racists -- a tool they're not gonna like!

[@OceanAir44]

Imagine what the world could truly be if racism never existed.

[@djaytoppgunna6166]

For some scary 😝😂😂😂😂😂💯 not funny though 😑💯💪😎 racism sucks 😡💯😎

[@jimmytwotymes7460]

Like it was in the 🌍 Mother Land!!

[@rudyardwalker9113]

It would suck actually. Our societies have gotten where they are thanks to racism/tribalism. There is not a single group that hasn't exhibited a tribalistic mindset at one point or another.

[@vorutouzamaki2635]

@@rudyardwalker9113 that’s true sad but true. But don’t forgot normal ppl fight about racism and they rich make money from it & they probably themselves not racist but they know it plays into peoples emotions. So In the game everyone getting played.

[@benjaminjenkins717]

@@rudyardwalker9113 that is a bit misleading though. You are making the assumption that human are prone to racism, which is simply not true. Yes, for survival, it was natural for humans to be on guard but to establish a system of, “our skin color is light therefore I’m better than you”, is not encoded in our DNA or an evolutionary trait...like at all. It could have been done and, in fact, has been done. There are many examples of different societies and nations having healthy first contact situations and being able to come together through diplomatic means.

[@OlenaBeley]

"Speak up. Being silent is a choice."

[@javierjaime9386]

Says the white lady

[@tieashalewis2505]

@Russo R stay at you house for what no give them there just do

[@angelgjr1999]

Agreed. Trump supporters/ white nationalists have become emboldened in recent years. We must combat their hate with facts and science.

[@angelgjr1999]

@Russo R Yeah like all trumps lawsuits against the states: they’ll just get throw out. You lost this election.

[@angelgjr1999]

@Russo R So your solution is what? The illegals have been here for 40 years.

[@bloodflower11375]

"If I'm driven by what DOESN'T hurt people, what makes life better FOR people..." that statement in itself encompasses EVERYTHING we should strive for. Why would you prefer to see your fellow brothers and sisters in pain and suffering? It is as simple as that. If that doesn't compel you to do good by everyone, then you're on the side of all that is wrong with the world.

[@deborahdoll4111]

This should apply to the Christian trump supporter.

[@kenonoke1395]

Well said it’s like if u don’t have anything nice to say y say something @ all I understand freedom of speech but it’s a thin line we just really need to learn each other & try to make this wrk I don’t know y it’s so hard it’s crazy

[@fayru8336]

Yup 🗣🗣

[@ritawant4686]

💖

[@jovifuentebella150]

Woke

[@twilightqueen221]

I commend them on realizing that what they were raised on was immoral and wrong. Good on them for having the courage to leave and talk about their experiences. Not many people do that that come from where they were raised. They dont wanna own up to it. Glad these guys do.

[@KirkFields]

👍☺️

[@gato0082]

Some ppl hv been doing it their entire lives ❣️🙋✝️ 🕊️

[@sonja4164]

Well said

[@dankburrito8345]

What was immoral and wrong about being a white nationalist?

[@theoriginalNoOne.]

Admitting you were wrong, misinformed or uninformed is tough, but once you do, that truly is uplifting.

[@dereckdean578]

Its the difference between being a human being and being humane.

[@shirleynewsome6616]

Well said

[@lgreer81]

I teach at a state university in Indiana and I'm definitely going to show this in my communication class.

[@mubashir122000]

Please do. The younger generation should realize this and do not commit the same mistakes as the older do.

[@zenon1o15]

I went to a public college in Indiana, and BOY OH BOY do we need convos about this stuff.

[@mubashir122000]

@@zenon1o15 i am assuming its not the best is it o.o

[@derp8575]

Let's see Trevor debate Ben Shapiro.

[@Britta_no_filter]

🤘

[@francescab1336]

A few years ago I told a racist joke, and a friend said very bluntly to me, “That was racist,” and held eye contact. That was when I finally got it. I’m 19 btw and grew up in a 1/2 progressive, 1/2 conservative family... That moment taught me that if I had to make fun of others in any sense, to make sure others didn’t see me as a ‘special snowflake’... THAT was being a snowflake. You know what’s the opposite of being a snowflake? Standing up for others without expecting recognition for it Always call people out on that a shit, I’m grateful someone did to me

[@Killi880]

When i was like 14 or 15 years old i did the same:/ i wish somebody would have called me out on those racist "jokes". Maybe i would have realized earlier that i was being a shitty, racist idiot and that i should educate myself about this stuff..

[@clararose1795]

@@Killi880 you’re doing it now, and that’s all that matters.

[@agnesakioyamen2576]

Thank you

[@csksaranga123]

Expect more people like you to be in future of this country. 🙏

[@lillierobinson1786]

YOU are the future of this country....that's what they are afraid of!!!❤😉❤ Racism is so deeply ingrained in this culture that it takes a willingness to educate ourselves and each other. If ...no WHEN..the divide and conquer tactics lose their power we will begin to heal this nation for all poor and working class Americans. I'm a BOOMER, lol. I was born before we ( black people could even vote) We have the internet now...back then all we had was the picket signs and each other. Thank you for sharing this with us.

[@brye687]

As a white kid, I would often get offended, when other white people would say racist things to, or in front of me, assuming that just because we shared the same skin color, that we also shared the same prejudices. Unless the person was really old, I never had a problem, making it clear that I didn't share their beliefs or rethoric. Most of the time they would immediately start backpedaling or claim they were joking, even when it was clear that they meant every word. I usually gave old people a pass, partially out of respect for my elders (thats how I was raised), but mostly because they weren't worth arguing with. In the elderly, those beliefs, are too ingrained, to be changed buy some young kid. Now though, I'm in my 40's and I enjoy making racists uncomfortable. When a guy looks around to make sure no one else will hear him, and then proceds to tell a racist joke, I like to respond, "I don't get it" then I make him explain how the joke is funny, then Loudly I say "oh ok I get it... you think it's funny because it's making fun of ___________ people." If possible I'll invite someone over of the insulted race, and ask them to repeat the joke. When they demure or refuse, I will remind them how funny the joke was, and act confused how they can forget a joke they just told. To me that is hilarious 🤣

[@vivian8106]

when people tell racist jokes in front of me, as they're laughing I make them think I'm about to tell a racist joke as well and i say "you know what you call a black person with a PhD in medicine?" and they think an actual punchline is coming but I just yell "A DOCTOR, YOU FUCKING RACIST!"

[@waytoohypernova]

oh god the commas please- i respect your attempt at grammar (which im forsaking because _meh_ ) but not every pause in speech needs a comma. sometimes a simple comma can completely change your message and it makes it frustrating to read. that aside, hell yeah, making racists look in the mirror is the best ✨

[@atheismkills9850]

@ B Rye Your ageism is despicable. You seem to think elders are unable to think for themselves. You're virtue signaling to racial minorities over your personal hatred towards whites who dare tell racial jokes only reminds us that you are a person who has no tolerance and cannot be trusted not to throw anyone who disagrees with you under the bus.

[@francescab1336]

I had something similar happen to me (I was the one telling the racist joke) and a friend said very bluntly to me, “That was racist,” and held eye contact. That was when I finally got it. I’m 19 btw and grew up in a 1/2 progressive, 1/2 conservative family... That moment taught me that if I had to make fun of others in any sense, to make sure others didn’t see me as a ‘special snowflake’... THAT was being a snowflake. You know what’s the opposite of being a snowflake? Standing up for others without expecting recognition for it Always call people out on that a shit, I’m so grateful someone did to me

[@eldritchteletubby9319]

@@atheismkills9850 Dude, he was talking about when he was a CHILD. Get a life.

[@americanartist6485]

"Silence is a choice." Deep thought. True concept.

[@sarahcahoot5444]

"If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it."--- Joseph Goebbels.

[@marymisick1587]

That's exactly what Trump does

[@sharonscott4574]

Wow! Scary! Gave me a chill.

[@kharlie22]

@@marymisick1587 I think that he mentions it in an interview years ago. The Oprah interview shows what his plan was from way back then too. Lying was definitely part of the plan.

[@jameswest981]

We, know 74 million people believed it🤔 a scary thought.

[@jeromesantana3505]

No. Not all people.

[@alexandrae5346]

"Being silent is a choice". Another words more of us need to have a backbone and stand up for others.

[@LF-hj8kk]

Imagine being born in a white nationnalist family and being named "black"

[@KirkFields]

🤭

[@mikelowry2865]

I peeped that too

[@abepresume8132]

Imagine not understanding that black ppl were never black until white ppl named them black.

[@11Survivor]

@@abepresume8132 Correct, in fact, "black people" are a very dark tone of tan, much like "white people" are a very light version of tan.

[@I_Think_You_Should_Leave]

@@11Survivor Imagine not understanding that all of us Black people aren't different shades. We all just have a "very dark tan".

[@dimplefreak3484]

"No person is born hating another person because of their religion or race, people are taught to hate and if they are taught to hate they can be taught to Love, because Love comes more naturally to the human heart" -Nelson Rolihlahla Mandela

[@nord2397]

People are not taught to hate. Hate is an emotion just as natural as love. The important thing is to quickly learn to control your emotions eather it is love, hate or jealousy for that matter. I think it is alot of lies about nationalism, because Im a European national socialist and don’t hate other people because of it. I think this young man grew up in a household with blind hatred for other races, but thats typical in the USA. Just compare national socialist Germany to USA in the 30’s. Jesse owens was greeted as a sports-hero by Hitler and the German people, but in the USA he wasn’t almost greeted at all. Just read Jesse owen’s diary. In Europe we real ethno nationalist always have given respect to people that deserved respect nomatter race, but in america you have a History of hatred among whites, mexicans and Blacks. The biggest hatred I heard people from your continent mention is between mexican gangs and afro-americans. But it doesn’t fit the elite politician or media’s time talking about, because they want to genocide the white people in USA and also in Europe. So they LIE all the time about Europeans that want to serve their racial interests. I also believe this young man earned alot of money profiting on this story.

[@dimplefreak3484]

@@nord2397 The only hate that is natural is the hate derived from something that doesn't fit one's best interest or inhibits one's best interest from taking place... but hating other's because of race or religion is unnatural, that is hate taught. Which is specified in the first part of my quote. Analyse with prudence before giving your opinion because it makes it seem like you don't care about the context you just want to have something to say.

[@jayfridayaq]

Beautiful!

[@jayfridayaq]

@@nord2397 I hear and respect what you just said. Thank you for that insight. You made good points, giving me more to ponder. I'm African American and I've been told about that situation in Germany in the 30s. I've been told about the efficiency of their land, especially when compared to the US. I've seen you comment on other videos in the past. Your opinions seem to be well thought prior to you sharing them.

[@GigawattFox]

"Racism isn't born, folks, it's taught. I have a two-year-old son. You know what he hates? Naps! End of list." Dennis Leary.

[@stagger5863]

Sounds like he found out “supremacy” are *not* the right way to think, better late then never, I’ve applaud him for finding his way 👍🏻 The World would be a much better place if there would be no hate, because of the color of someone’s skin, that would be a good place to start 😃

[@rehoby]

"Being silent is a choice." True. It is also complicity.

[@mesalouis8976]

Yes

[@augustusbrown5320]

How

[@thomaswilliam630]

Not true, depends what you're being silent about.

[@susanstraitfox]

@@augustusbrown5320 when you stay silent you are allowing the hate to grow and fester but when you stand up and say it's got to stop it's not right you're giving the minority a voice and letting other ppl Kno it's not right what they are doing is wrong and not everybody agrees with them, just sitting back allowing it to go on is a sign that you don't oppose what is going on and allowing it to continue without a fight or acknowledging that it's wrong and try to stop it.....

[@susanstraitfox]

@@thomaswilliam630 If you are silent when there is ignorance and hate then you are allowing it to happen instead of trying to stop it because it's wrong! NO MATTER WHAT IT IS, WRONG IS WRONG PLAIN N SIMPLE

[@donk918]

I don't mind them re-uploading these old clips. I wish they'd at least date them in the description. It's nice knowing when these things were said just to put it into perspective of what was going on at the time.

[@scatterbunny35]

This!^

[@qxtoi]

It actually bothers me without the original dates. I see a "new" video and excitedly click on it... And it's something they posted 3 weeks ago. The rollercoaster of excitement to "aww that sucks" is annoying.

[@mmogburn]

I kept thinking why are they sitting so close...

[@neilmichael2676]

I agree!!

[@akairborne]

@@mmogburn I was wondering if I was missing the sneeze guard or something!

[@fancyface7416]

"He who is present at a wrongdoing and does not lift a hand to prevent it, is as guilty as the wrongdoers." ~ Indian Proverb. A leopard doesn’t change its spots, it just changes the tree it pees on.

[@DoughboyDoc]

Wtf does the second part even mean

[@rochellejanet9021]

@@DoughboyDoc righttt

[@TremaineFletcher]

@@DoughboyDoc the leopard itself does not change, it only seems to move to a new location to do its business. At least that what I take it to mean.

[@DoughboyDoc]

@@TremaineFletcher yeah but this is a video about kkk and white supremacy which is hardly even a thing in America anymore

[@ethanos1602]

@@DoughboyDoc i mean... they're still pretty big

[@billyboy8877]

“I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character.” ― Martin Luther King Jr.

[@clairewyndham1971]

I have done my best to live those words. I am white..I was a foster mom in Detroit for 25+ years- many of my broken kids were black, mexican, and middle eastern. All I ever asked of the 6 I adopted was yes, you sure can SEE the differences here...just don't feel it in your heart. ♥️♥️❤️❤️❤️

[@einsteinzvice4737]

#Righteous

[@Y0utubeIsFuckingHomo]

MLK was preaching messages of Black Separatism towards the end of his life. The whitewashed and sanitized image of MLK you know is not the real man.

[@clairewyndham1971]

@@Y0utubeIsFuckingHomo be that as it may be, the man still used words that stirred many people and I was one that.brooked no truck in his messages.

[@cadenceew7933]

@@Y0utubeIsFuckingHomo he was also in some regards a sexist, and a communist (not necessarily bad, but not well discussed), but these aspects weren’t a large part of his legacy. In part because they played a smaller role in is life, and also because he was a product of the time in these subjects. Overall this doesn’t need to stain his image in terms of what he did for the black movement, which was immense, nor the quotes that he said in relation to a very specific subject. It does take a toll on his character as an overall human, but at this point in time we don’t, and probably won’t for some time, weigh his flaws above his greatness. Cheers.

[@garyreid6165]

“Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering.” - Yoda

[@rogercyuzuzo9819]

I thought for a minute that it was Pain the first disciple of Jiraya.

[@anarcho-communist11]

Something else that leads to hate is when people feel hated by another group. The anti-white prejudice is strong in many environments where whites are poor, and the minority. It doesn't excuse their returned hatred, but all factors leading to racism should be addressed.

[@garyreid6165]

@@anarcho-communist11 Sadly, poverty levels the playing field. I was unemployed for almost 5 years. It is demoralizing. When I would go to sign up for assistance, I see people of all races in those lines. Whites included. Hate can manifest from envy, as well.

[@siahnmahadihadara6547]

I want that tattooed on my arm. Fear is a monster.

[@lillierobinson1786]

@@garyreid6165 sadly that is a myth. Poverty doesn't level the playing field AT ALL. Poor and working class white people are NOT routinely being murdered and brutalized by law enforcement with impunity. They are not languishing in prisons in hugely disproportionate numbers. They are not trying to heal themselves from being 4-5 generations away from being considered subhuman and held captive like animals. Listen again to the interview. Some of the points these courageous young men make are about white people needing to challenge their own indoctrination and societal narratives. No..being poor is not the same thing as being black in this country. We are less than 12 percent of the population. Racism IS A WHITE PEOPLE PROBLEM.....and it's not just a choice of being against racism. It's the RESPONSIBILITY of being ACTIVELY anti racist. The poor and working class people in this country are being exploited and abused and racism is a big part of the problem. If we were all focused on the real issues we would be able to heal this country for all of us.

[@sexybonders]

“Nothing strengthens authority so much as silence.” - Leonardo da Vinci Speak up and promote love, not hate.

[@johnwest3287]

When the power of LOVE Overcomes the love of POWER Will there be PEACE ON EARTH - Hendrix

[@whit1973]

@@johnwest3287 I never heard that quote from him until now. Thank you for sharing. Love Jimi

[@2xJerkz]

Surprised Trevor didn't make a joke about Derek's last name literally being "Black"

[@norriskp]

He did, actually in the longer version - the full interview... kzbin.info/www/bejne/iWjbd6ewiZ1rmtk

[@henrykabwe1733]

Crossed my mind immediately I saw the name

[@MICHELLEG129]

I def thought about it when I noticed the name

[@saranghae2808]

I just commented on the same thing.

[@gogetit083]

"Its incredibly embedded into what America is" TRUTH

[@rachelk4805]

"It's easier to tell someone they don't have to do anything."

[@Jose-Luis.Garnica-Sanchez]

Also applies to the current pandemic and mask mandates. It's easier to not wear a mask than to wear one

[@ryanjonathanmartin3933]

This is human tendency in the truest sense of the word.

[@beetle6746]

They have emerged from the dark side and into the light

[@airplanes_aren.t_real]

It's ironic and insightful

[@vivalarazausarmyvet4453]

The US government needs to investigate all levels of government for these white supremacists and fire them. These people don't have any right to be public servants.

[@niccottone8158]

"I know what I have to do, but I don't know if I have the strength to do it" *throws kkk hood into the ocean*

[@kitsunekierein7253]

This segment perfectly encapsulates a very good moral: nobody is beyond redemption

[@daaven6452]

I think “dark side” is too good for the KKK

[@nessak1993]

“... speak up, because being silent is a choice” That was powerful

[@changveronicas]

i was touched by derek black’s courage and conviction. he’s an inspiration!

[@ericn1450]

More proof that Noah is more than just a comedian. Good interview.

[@RatchetRalph]

He’s a gem

[@zunaiandre2341]

Actually he is extremely literate with extensive knowledge about pretty much everything

[@QuantumOfSolace1]

He’s a hack!

[@monirodriquez3994]

I love him

[@GirlofGlamour89]

You should read his book. It’s so good.

[@thisgalisonfyr]

I read the book and I just have to say, Derek has a courage that a lot of us will never know. Thank you to Derek for having a mindset that can be changed and for sharing your path to change with us. If more people were willing to admit when they've been wrong the world would be a much better place.

[@KaylaCollingwood]

Years ago I saw the article Eli Saslow wrote about this and contacted him personally as the story was so beautifully written. A couple of years later I got an email from him saying that he had published a book of the story - partially because of direct feedback like that. Great to see an interview with Eli and Derek about this story!

[@jspres86]

“The cycle ends here. We must be better than this.”

[@hindioliver7368]

"Oh it is a reckoning force being played out, the "GOP is showing the world, their sick mentality, even people that has never paid attention or notice it before, are realizing they have been played, some don't care because those are the ones who will never change? A lot of people like that don't have feelings, morals like most people with sense!

[@angeliawamble9263]

WE HAVE TO. OR WHY ARE WE HERE I WASNT BORN TO HATE WE WERE BORN TO LOVE

[@rudekids4203]

That line was from GOW!!🤘

[@tjtj6540]

Would make sense.. But is it really???

[@bajanconcepts]

It would be nice, unfortunately you can only control you and your household. While you may have been raised not to hate people because they are different from you, please note; there are others raising their kids to do the exact opposite. From the 1st time I saw the Klan directly in Louisianan in 1978 to today, the only things that have changed is technology and the dates. Hate is a powerful thing, very hard to combat alone. Very hard.

[@jadedoldjoe8709]

I grew up racist in a racist city (Boston). I was in college, 20 or so, when a switch got flipped and I realized the absurdity of racism. It was literally that quick. For me, I realized that my racism was not born of hatred, but rather ignorance. Racism is embedded in Boston; it’s an indelible part of life there. Once I was able to get out of that environment, I was able to get out of that mindset. I talk often of this because I believe people need to hear a first hand account of how racist is taught and can therefore be untaught.

[@X2LR8]

It's the opposite here in Chicago. Growing up, there was a lot of racism against White kids in school. We had to stand up and fight back.

[@WeeHgt]

@@X2LR8 I'm black and grew up with a lot of colorism in the black community, however I recognize differences between experiencing prejudice and childish bullying in a ghetto environment VERSUS the experience of being a slave descendant in a historically white ethnostate.

[@goodrose4734]

@@X2LR8 So, how did you stand up?

[@israeliana]

@@X2LR8 bullying isn't racism. Don't be obtuse

[@quentellthomas4003]

A T huh!!!

[@spiderrocket8367]

“It’s easier to tell someone they don’t have to do anything” it’s sad how true that is.

[@ariellumeer8458]

Being silent is just as bad as committing the crime.

[@antcap7212]

No it’s not..lol

[@aamnahere6250]

They weren't both white supremacists. Derek is the one who was raised with racist and xenophobic beliefs and became a vocal white supremacist. The other guy is a journalist who simply contacted him later in life to write his story so he was never a white supremacist. Just thought I'd clarify as I've read the book.

[@jenniferharden2258]

Thank you

[@thefilthiestofcasuals6565]

is the book good?

[@AndreaCrisp]

Except it sounded like he helped make the website as a kid? So they both seemed to have some involvement? I am trying to find the entire episode so I can see the whole interview, but the CC page doesn't seem have it up. Anyone know the air date or episode number etc.?

[@heide35007]

@@AndreaCrisp Look for Episode 152 from September 19. 2018. At least that's what Google says.

[@Deking24]

@@AndreaCrisp no the journalist guy didn’t make a website the guy in the blue tie is one who was the into white supremacy and he is also the guy who designed some parts of the website when he was a kid

[@kristinatorregiani8212]

This guy challenging his own beliefs and admitting it and actively changing....hats off to him it takes enormous courage and thoughtfulness.

[@mimib1583]

What all 3 of you men are doing here is so important. Thank you for making this world a better place.

[@sallysson]

I would love to have a sit down, one on one with the ginger guy. His road to enlightenment is proof that my enlightenment not only exist but is on the right path. ✌

[@jellybean6778]

Mike - pick up the book at your local bookstore or from your public library! And there are other stories, too. Also, you may want to read about people who have to be "reprogrammed" after leaving a cult. You will see similarities.

[@azuredelcielo9151]

❤❤❤

[@Cambion95]

Crazy that people don’t believe that racism is deeply rooted in this country.

[@Zt3v3]

Promoting and implementing specific solutions will result in not only fixing problems but opening peoples eyes.

[@TheoriginalBMT]

It's easy when you live in areas that are 95% white. Just never exposed to it

[@Crushenator500]

Anyone that disagrees with this is arguing in bad faith. Everyone knows it's the truth.

[@jonathanford7055]

@@TheoriginalBMT 95% areas are the least racist, lmao. It's areas that are diverse and 20-40% black like the South that are full of racists.

[@erikadlloyd5586]

What makes me shake my head is when white folks I know have been raised in a diverse, multi-cultural community, different religion ideology, still become white supremacists.

[@romanlee8287]

These guys are intelligent - glad to see they have risen to an elevated consciousness.

[@lrrrruleroftheplanetomicro6881]

Meta-cognition is what he describes attaining. Is the same ourcome as psycho-analysis, I think he either had a lot of therapy, books on depth psychology or a lot of shrooms alone in the desert.

[@ronaldpacheo6018]

A leopard can’t change his spots! Beware !

[@buckstan]

@@ronaldpacheo6018 True, but people are capable of maturing.

[@jakes658]

@@ronaldpacheo6018 But people can change their internal beliefs...

[@lrrrruleroftheplanetomicro6881]

@@ronaldpacheo6018 Depends. Usually not without help.

[@alisonsmith4143]

"Being silent is a choice" - well said.

[@divisiona3974]

“Being silent is a choice”. So true. Very powerful.

[@lordbeerus4443]

God bless these men. Even I was once blinded by racial hate. I'm african american. But I realized being American is more than my color. Being American is about character, not race. Because ignorance comes in all colors.

[@praise777always9]

Amen! I APPLAUD YOU!!!!🙌🏾👏🏾

[@grandmak.]

of course it does.

[@raulmartinez-sf2ii]

Wow well said Sir.

[@joshuabethea2650]

There are no good groups and bad groups. Just confusion. On both sides. Cult if Trump vs Cult of Woke. Sunlight is the best disinfectant. White nationalism is fading into oblivion.... so let it.

[@gubilasco9022]

As an African American, how did you manage to have racial hatred while being subjected to racism? Why stoop?

[@JoseRamos-ql1gv]

This young gentlemen embodies the importance of educating yourself, not just scholarly. Keeping on open mind, we are all in this together, regardless of ethnicity, religion and or sexual orientation.

[@permafrost0979]

Everyone has innate prejudices, but the danger comes in refusing to challenge one's biases. Kudos and blessings to these guys, and so many others who have defected from racism.

[@msbirdafter4056]

Very proud of you for tackling this issue. Thank you!!!

[@tinlizziestudios4344]

Im clapping alone in my office at the moment for this interview. Just very interesting. Rising out of the hatred. Took some cajones for these two to do this so kudos to them. oxoxo

[@grandmak.]

seems like a pre pandemic interview to me though. Still encouraging and important.

[@tinlizziestudios4344]

@@grandmak. Oh really? Thanks and yes very true. Id like to read this.

[@Jartran72]

@@tinlizziestudios4344 The fact an audience is present means its pre pandemic

[@KirkFields]

👍

[@colinhoulder3712]

Derek Black talks about the people he met in college who worked with love and patience to challenge and change his views. He is a powerful and articulate speaker.

[@yesvember11]

This is the type of content we need right now

[@anahatagraceland5829]

Wow this is a courageous act fellas. Thank u for ur thoughtful ownership of the capacity to think and call out what you see and know. Excellent !!! Can’t thank u enough!

[@nathaliedufour3891]

The one Truth that many of us cannot accept is that we are all the same. We are humans. We were just born in different circumstances.

[@patmaurer8541]

We're all of equal worth.

[@ByronWrightJr]

This is a great discussion. One that I would like to see others have with themself.

[@craigkeller]

Well said!

[@marywood8794]

Yes. I think that we need to be more open to these conversations here in the U.S. Trevor has said that they have these difficult conversations in South Africa. I wouldn't be surprised if this interview was his idea and not just something that the producers had him do.

[@ByronWrightJr]

@@marywood8794 unfortunately a lot of people get defensive or insult each other before trying to understand one another. That is one thing in think we can be better at as humans is just understanding.

[@marywood8794]

@@ByronWrightJr Absolutely. People are so quick to get their backs up instead of listening first. We all need to work on that.

[@guillermoromero8041]

“The most important thing anyone can do is speak up cause being silent is a choice” Fuck yes

[@urduib]

You got the right to remain silent. F... that right - Ice-T

[@anarcho-communist11]

We should all be listening more to Black women, who are the most marginalized of all groups iMO. Even BLM has been mostly focused on Black men. Sexism is as prevalent as racism, and gets overlooked more for some reason.

[@overkall1691]

@@anarcho-communist11 Right, but before we even start down that path, think about how asian, mexican, canadian, black, and anything else comes before native american, and natives are cencored on the internet, and their right to vote in 49 states is impeded.

[@aikidoka00]

But you're cool with censoring half the population?

[@overkall1691]

@@aikidoka00 You aren't half the population you've always been less than 15% don't mistake republicans towing the party line for voting for your white supremacist, no one wants or likes you.

[@carynis1hotassgirl]

I have talked about this so many times. I'm so proud of this man for behaving as any respectable human should. Keep up the fantastic work!

[@bernadettebailey5370]

Trevor, thanks for this. Timing is perfect.

[@shogunMR]

"Never underestimate the power of Stupid people in large Groups!!" -George Carlin

[@grandmothersukhrealta3611]

These young men show that critical thinking is imperative. We’re all here now and we all can choose what our country will look like moving forward.

[@TheBest-sv2oj]

Now the only trick is to get people to actually think

[@mykaleenmisner4668]

Rebirth. We are all souls before life and after death. God bless us all.

[@hecatearadia1959]

Totally couragous, thank you for turning back to the light and not just to go hide under a rock but to go teach. That is so positive, one of the better things I have witnessed. Thank you

[@tammyd.970]

These men are talking about EMPATHY. The guy on the right hit it hard twice: "If I'm driven by what DOESN'T hurt people, what makes life better FOR people..." and 'Silence is a choice.' Having empathy for all, even those we don't agree with, is the only way to progress. These gentlemen are a perfect example. They held extreme ideas and were raised in that environment, but they were still able to change their minds and be empathetic. This is something that we all must remember. If we want change, we must be empathetic toward those we disagree with. They will never see a different perspective if you only show them hate. Thank you, Trevor for having such relevant and important segments and interviews on your show.

[@andmicbro1]

Basically yes! Thinking of people of other races as just people, and humanizing them as opposed to dehumanizing them. Seeing the world from their perspective, and yes, empathy for your fellow humans on this planet. They are just like you and me. They love, they have fears and worries, they want what's best for their families, they are mothers and fathers, brothers and sisters, sons and daughters, husbands and wives. They are not evil. They are our brothers and sisters. They are part of our human family. If you think of people like that it's really hard to be a racist.

[@ogathingo8885]

tammy d. Yes people like this young gentleman, who has overcome the narrow minded world view could be the bridge to reconcile this divided nation!

[@michelleb4940]

Empathy is so so important but at this time not enough. Speaking to friends who are POC and showing up for them is so important rn

[@tammyd.970]

@@michelleb4940 that is true, and that takes empathy, however, my comment was about empathy for the people caught up in extremist ideology. If other people had not shown empathy for these two men, they may have stayed hate-filled, bigoted extremists. Being empathetic toward people we disagree with is a tall order, but it is the only way to move forward and to actually create change.

[@jesseshaffer9234]

This is what I usually tell white nationalists: “We are all the same race. It comes in different sizes, shapes, and colors. Get over it.” Then I run like hell. :D

[@gnostictruth1599]

Stop running like a coward.

[@BlankRami]

We're different colour's but we are the result of the fraction of the same light

[@psixens7580]

@@gnostictruth1599 Stop calling people cowards for avoiding physical confrontation.

[@marioalvarezvilla2464]

Running lake hell is also a choice

[@litao3679]

And that we all bleed red. SMH

[@jamilauderdale6236]

Facts that need to be addressed.. Thank everyone for this much needed sit down..

[@michelel1852]

These guys are so right. When you live in a bubble the saying “we fear what we don’t know or understand” is so relevant. This is what is going on in America. If people would be curious about other cultures they would see that we have more in common than less in common and their happiness, peace and calm would prevail over their fears, insecurities and paranoia.

[@deirdrajuarez7926]

Yes, I agree. Those who teach hate to children were taught hate as children. Breaking the freaking cycle is the challenge.

[@AKA-ht7ny]

The majority of America does!

[@UrBigSisKey]

This was sooo powerful, coming straight from the horse's mouth, speaking out against racism is the best thing you can do.

[@dennisw8026]

These are the REAL boys to be proud of, not those other clowns

[@aliciasaracino1233]

Well said

[@shalay4566]

Yaaas!, ✔💯

[@svmac02]

I’m glad they left. That means there’s a chance for these people’s hearts to change. We have to pray for these changes guys

[@serenaknight4712]

Awesome interview. Thank you for not being silent.

[@ImTheDudeMan471]

Making things better for everybody. Emphasis on everybody. What he's describing is "Humanism". 👍

[@patmaurer8541]

Humanity, I think. Humanism teaches that we're the be all and end all. It denies the Divine.

[@ivankaspeadsforquincyjones9273]

This interview totally did not suck. Equal rights benefits everyone.

[@kfleming78]

so then maybe its time for Whites to have their HUMAN RIGHT TO SELF DETERMINATION - since you agree it would benefit EVERYONE

[@kyradunston7624]

It takes a strong person to admit their wrongs. 👏

[@sabrinasabbaghian]

What a profound and amazing interview. Thank you so much for sharing, this gave me so much hope and my heart feels incredibly happy!

[@jennifermorris7986]

"Being silent is a choice." Nicely said.

[@rev.rachel]

“Speak up, cause being silent is a choice.” Yes. So good.

[@slowrunn3r88]

This is powerful... and... difficult As somebody who used to be hardcore anti-SJW, it was hard for me to crawl out of that hole (I fell into that through social anxiety, an abusive ex girlfriend, and bad influence of friends) What helped me was realizing “wait... feminism isn’t bad...,” but the hard thing is... it’s not the responsibility of an oppressed person to guide an oppressor out of hate. And I don’t blame any oppressed person for not wanting to forgive their oppressor It’s so hard, because stories like this are so important, yet we can’t expect people to “just be nice” while we try to “educate” radicals

[@AmyJoy6]

Love your story and couldn't agree more with you. Man, if everyone had a heart like yours...

[@slowrunn3r88]

@@AmyJoy6 it really is hard :/ because on the one hand, some people legit just need a shoulder to cry on and somebody to listen to them, and they’ll realize their way isn’t right (or that the other way isn’t something to be afraid of) But yeah :/ no doubt marginalized groups deal with way too much to take responsibility for that (nevermind how exhausted they are)

[@FirstNameLastName-sc2lm]

Wow those gentlemen brought tears to my eyes. Truly amazing.

[@johnchessant3012]

Hold on, I'm still stuck on the fact that he designed the white supremacist website when he was 10.

[@angelshanafelter6089]

That's probably because he was smarter than all of them. Which no doubt helped him be able to reason his way out of a lifetime of brainwashing.

[@Lucky_Chase]

Right?? Damn!!

[@csarpalace1518]

Bahh. Exactly. There's Einstein's in West Virginia. Don't hate

[@ledzepgirl92]

His father is the founder of Stormfront so he was dragged into this hateful ideology from early childhood on.

[@xgymratx]

Well he is don blacks son

[@working_example]

Believe seen Derek Black on PBS stating the reason he changed was he went to college and became part of a different community. Plus, Derek is fairly inquisitive. What I found interested in that conversation is that it was said that he was loved by his friends in college.

[@dammagrilla]

He met people from all walks of life and learned they're just people. They challenged the preconceptions that had been drilled into him and forced him to reconcile his reality with what he had been taught. I feel like he's the poster child for the "liberal college is brainwashing our kids!" crowd.

[@discoskull]

Experience cures ignorance.

[@dammagrilla]

@Nic DeGrave Also, it's helpful to remember that segregation was still being done legally into the 1970's... this mentality is a lot more recent than America generally likes to acknowledge. Plenty of people from "the before times" are still influencing how we discuss these topics and they have a lot of practice in derailing these conversations.

[@poetessaamiinah8273]

It's circumstances such as this, that helps restore my faith in humanity! So proud of these young! 💖

[@bryantwu8993]

The amount of effort and courage Derek had to put into self reflection is mind boggling.

[@charleswettish8701]

I was ready to see a "faker", but the dude seems sincere and smart.

[@pa4362]

Read his story in readers digest, Dude decided to make a change

[@iapologisetu9406]

Positivity 101

[@shalay4566]

Totally!

[@candyjamaican]

Still don’t trust his ass