EMD 710 Cold Start

[@brianburns7211]

I run lots of EMD diesels as a class one locomotive engineer. When I started 25 years ago many old 567 powered locomotives were still running. What amazes me is that the 710 and all of its DDEC electronics are all modern age. At the same time it runs a diesel which is an evolution of what was initially designed in the 1930s. A guy who worked in Boston and Maine’s Billerica Shop in 1943 could get the DeLorean up to 88 mph and land in 2022. He’d probably be able to grab some wrenches and get to work on the 710.

[@spudwickthrockmorton2112]

I just started my career working on EMD’s, haven’t seen any 567’s yet but it’s crazy how many 645’s come in from as far back as the late 1960’s. Some of em still have the original asbestos gaskets on the front and rear housings

[@johnwright291]

I used to own a V12 567 that was in a 90 foot tug. The easiest engine I've ever worked on. A big tinker toy.

[@Trains-With-Shane]

Very cool. I have always loved the sound of the old EMD 2-stroke engines. I got to put my hands on one in a GP38AC locomotive at a museum last week. Unfortunately most of the electrics had been gutted from it so there wasn't an opportunity to fire it up. Although it was incredibly cool to put hands on all of the switches, relief valves, primer/starter, leyshaft, etc. that i've seen in so many youtube videos. As an aside I always love seeing a nice clean engine room.

[@krakenwoodfloorservicemcma5975]

Nothing smells like the top deck of an EMD. I really miss them.

[@TheTheratfarmer]

cool video. imagine a V-20 710 cold start to full power, then to full load in 10 seconds. nuclear power plants have them. they have stored compressed air to start and oil heaters. 4160V three phase and maybe 4900 kW. to hear it just behind the flywheel is an awesome growl.

[@adventurekid9242]

The best part is to hear that and know that the vital plant systems will stay energized and we will not put molten nuclear fuel to the bottom of the containment vessel rendering 500 square miles or more of land uninhabitable.

[@kenneththompson2249]

nuclear emergency generators are always heated.

[@UQRXD]

Reminds me of my ocean going tug days. We had 4 12 567 A engines.

[@09turbodiesel]

That the first time I have seen an electronic fuel injected EMD started. I did governor work for many years had to check the rack every time I had to change out a governor. Thanks for the video

[@enumrob]

Pretty cool computerized system with the diagnostic display and everything. Amazing.

[@epicfred]

It actually doesn't have diagnostics on it which sucks. It only has run time data like injector pulse width, temps, etc. If there is an alarm for some reason all it shows is "EMS Alarm" and I have to troubleshoot it with a laptop.

[@hithereson]

@@epicfred do you not use Win Emmon to communicate with the emdec sender/receiver?

[@epicfred]

Zack Sprawls yes, I have to run that on a separate laptop though. For some reason the it wasn’t installed on a stationary system which would have been nice.

[@hithereson]

@@epicfred yeah i know the feeling. Can you not review faults emdec logs with the WinEmmon version you have?

[@JanicekTrnecka]

It sounds like the aux generator that is running in the background makes hell a lot more noise than the main engine.

[@epicfred]

The generators are pretty loud. That EMD is also fairly quiet, as far as main engines go.

[@garylarson6386]

I worked for the C&NW RR they set me out to start an EMD SD45 and it was -10 deg could not get it to fire and the water drains were frozen, was told to tiewrap two 16oz starting fluid and throw in both side airboxs, violent start but no cracked block from 350 gal straight water

[@cherylstevens9370]

What area did you work in?im in Chicago

[@garylarson6386]

cedarlake shop mpls,mn @@cherylstevens9370

[@timmayer8723]

Very tidy engine room and clean.

[@epicfred]

If someone swaps out a part, puts the used part in the box and writes on that box “used-good” and I find it, it automatically goes in the trash. Engine rooms collect the most random garbage.

[@GearheadExplorer85]

@@epicfred Seriously, I've started following that philiosophy in my warehouse. Guys bring all kinds of crap back from their job sites and ask me to store it "for future jobs"...which is a bunch of BS. When your warehouse becomes full of crap that people will likely never use again, and you need room, somethings got to give.

[@wazza33racer]

The EMD must be pneumatic turbine start. She sounds glorious!

[@cvdheyden]

Cool! But funny that the rag was put to the same place always, even though it was blown away.

[@curtchase3730]

Saw some finger pointing going on there! LOL. Nice that the lights don't dim when you hit the starter unlike my car! Oh, forgot, it's and air starter! Got it.

[@epicfred]

The lights dim when the compressors kick on!

[@michaelslattery2121]

@@epicfred A heavy duty pneumatic check valve on the discharge line will likely stop that. It will relieve tank pressure from sitting on the unloader valves until the compressor gets up to speed and loads. If you have dual compressors adjust the kick-in and kick-out pressures so there is a definite lead/lag delay so they don't start simultaneously. Maybe you already know all that but I'm an old fart trying to pass on a little hard earned knowledge. 34 years as a tug C/E.

[@epicfred]

I was mostly joking. If a lot of things are all running at once and my captain turns the hydraulics on which are on a soft starter you can hear the generator load up and the lights dim just a hair for maybe a second. Those generators are pretty responsive.

[@rickiemckillip8124]

Most of the Tow Boats on the Mississippi River have EMD Engines on Them

[@AlongtheRiverLife]

Great video!

[@bobbykent4643]

Brings back memories of my deckhand /Tankerman days on towboats .

[@TheTheratfarmer]

when in need, an EMD.

[@jamieteal2107]

What a great bumper sticker that would be 👍🇦🇺

[@bobbykent4643]

Sounded like Detroit powered generators .

[@rgj5832]

Thanks for the video I enjoyed it! Was the vessel on shore power prior to generator power feed transfer? Also the EMD engines sound awesome!

[@epicfred]

RGJ58 yes, the boat was in shore power. And I agree, the EMDs sound pretty awesome

[@jamieteal2107]

@@epicfredvery enjoyable 👍🇦🇺

[@scottcupp8129]

What a beauty!!!

[@hotmama2336]

3:18 woah

[@bobbycoffey7761]

HotMama 23 The beast comes alive

[@roypounds7704]

Thanks Buddy!

[@BruceBoschek]

Ha! That compressed-air starter could use an oil trap! Loved the video! Thanks.

[@KillerJoeFIN]

Actually that white cloud is moisture from the air rapidly expanding.

[@thomas5223]

why open the cylinder bleeder ports? what happens if you don't?

[@epicfred]

To check if water has leaked into the cylinder due to a bad head gasket, and if water has leaked in it prevents you from damaging anything.

[@thomas5223]

@@epicfred Thank You Very Much...it looks like this week for the oil service on the EMD 645 .It is a genset.. Have a Good Day

[@towboatjeff]

I like that you don't have to do much to pre lube the engine. I have to open valves and manually run a pump on the boat I ride.

[@epicfred]

The prelude and the oil transfer pump are tied into the same lines. If I have to add oil to that engine I’ll have to turn a lot of valves. But yes, it’s a pretty easy engine to run and start which is nice.

[@towboatjeff]

@@epicfred I've got separated lines and pumps for the pre lube system, then a separate pump for adding clean oil to the engines and another pump for pumping used oil out of the engines on the boat I work on. I've worked on older boats that only had one pump to do all 3 jobs on both engines before so I like the setup I have now a lot better.

[@blackcitadel37]

Awesome video man but use some ear protection. That will hurt your earring

[@epicfred]

I had ear plugs in. I'm a stickler for ear plugs. That's what the orange string around my neck is attached to.

[@noamansattar]

Omg that's loud. So the first one is the generator 3rd was the actual engine What was the second?

[@epicfred]

Blow down. You do it to make sure no water or fuel has leaked into the cylinders.

[@bobbykent4643]

Wouldn't be surprised if it was the air compressor.

[@GearheadExplorer85]

Cool video! Cleanest engine room I've ever seen. The EMDs are great engines. LOL what's with the siren at 2:58? Is that to warn everyone around you and outside of the boat that the engine is starting?

[@epicfred]

@@GearheadExplorer85 that was the general alarm. It went off because I shut off the shore power in order to put the generator online. Everyone would have heard it, it’s not a very big boat.

[@GearheadExplorer85]

@@epicfred Gotcha! Thanks for explaining that.

[@joehomer4421]

I missed any remarks about pre-lube at pre-heating. For How long does engine get prelubed? Does engine get preheated before starting?

[@epicfred]

That engine has an automatic prelube sequence. You push the start button once and it starts a timer for I think 15 minutes of prelube, if you don’t start it before then it just shuts off. Then there is a pressure sensor lockout, you can’t roll the engine over to blow it down or start it till at least 5 psi of oil pressure I think. I don’t work on that boat anymore so I forget what all the parameters are. The did make it pretty dummy proof though.

[@epicfred]

Also, I forgot. This engine does not have a block heater or a lube oil heater. There is a diesel fired heater for the engine room but it never gets cold enough to need to use it.

[@anthonygarces1547]

No pre-lube?

[@epicfred]

When i pushed the green start button before I started opening the blowdown valves, that started a prelube sequence. kzbin.info/www/bejne/kF7UYq16oKprsKc

[@leonpano]

Why you need a generator to start an EMD engine? Is not better to start EMD with starter form batteries?

[@MiniCmaX]

EMD engine is started by compressed air.

[@leonpano]

@@MiniCmaXwhy I see most of EMD started by starter not air(SD70Ace uses air but that is one of few)

[@Finnmarken91]

Awesome and very informative, were those John Deere Generators?

[@epicfred]

Yes they were. Don't get too exited, they're expensive junk.

[@Drakeman2003]

2:57 what was that?

[@epicfred]

I was switching the boat from shore power to generator power. I used the test valve wrench to close the breaker, holding onto something makes it easier to flip.

[@Drakeman2003]

@@epicfred that alarm

[@epicfred]

When I killed the shore power the system alarms because it sees a power loss. That boat can’t sync generators or shore power, so you just have to open one breaker and close another.

[@alexanderlashkevichhi-tech5452]

How much is your ship big?

[@epicfred]

0.156 furlong.

[@SternenruferinPatchouli1]

whats that? a ship engine?

[@epicfred]

McDonalds wind up toy that came with a McNugget Happy Meal

[@abecoulter8550]

what make of main engines?

[@epicfred]

It's an EMD

[@srivenkatvidyasubramanian6348]

Was that EMD 12N-710G-3 ?

[@epicfred]

L12-710. I forget the rest of the designation

[@truckinman86]

So, what engines run the generators?

[@epicfred]

John Deere 6068 Tier II. They're 6.8L inline 6 cylinder engines.

[@speed150mph]

EpicFred Haha sounds like I’d be a great engine mechanic on your boat. I’ve spent 8 years working for railways. We used the Jd powertech 4045 and 6068 on a lot of our track maintenance equipment I used to fix, and now work on EMD engine in the locomotives themselves. I find it curious that you guys use the expansion tank cooling system off the locomotives it seems. I figured you’d just use direct seawater cooling. Does your boat have radiators for cooling, or do you run a heat exchanger sea water cooler?

[@MikeKostecky]

Where is your hearing protection??!!??

[@TheTheratfarmer]

when i need, EMD.

[@coreymcdowell3471]

You need to do day and the life

[@epicfred]

I'll start making a video a midnight tonight edit: Here is a link to a crappy "day in the life" video kzbin.info/www/bejne/g3XVYWmQmd-HfZY

[@TheTheratfarmer]

maitenace, dont dog them. just like another engine.

[@steveconnell791]

Did someone call the cops

[@epicfred]

No cops, just sadness.

[@TheTheratfarmer]

need an power house.

[@sosig1341]

Class 67 engine

[@epicfred]

I don't know what a class 67 is. That model is a 12-710. It's tier-2 compliant if that's what you mean.

[@sosig1341]

@@epicfred it’s the same engine used in a class 67 from England

[@TROUROCKS]

genny goes full revs cold .... no warmup !!!!!!!!!!!!!! not on my boat

[@electric7487]

u/stabbot

[@afzalmaheter9242]

U need emd engine

[@TheTheratfarmer]

I eat. hqamburger.