The Boys Gen V Episode 5 FULL Breakdown, Homelander Marvel Easter Eggs & Things You Missed

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[@emergencyawesome]

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[@nicholasgarrick8855]

Charlie great breakdown as always so hype for the next episode if soldier boy turns out to be the shape shifter kid , im gonna be so pissed😂👍🏽.

[@emergencyawesome]

Thanks!

[@dammagrilla]

That shot of the Dean stirring the tea has to be a Get Out mind control reference They might've had a similar shot when Marie was meeting with her but I'm not sure if I was just getting a Get Out vibe from her at that time

[@petrypartwith6541]

Hey you got the vaught a burger wrong look up whataburger it’s a burger place mostly found in the south. That was a big stand out to me.

[@nicholasgarrick8855]

I actually really like that the theories about cate were right she was the only character i feel like was underdeveloped. Im glad we get this extra layer to her character.

[@SolarDNA]

The puppet scene with Sam is the best thing I've ever seen EVER. 😆

[@Igivegdparent]

it reminds me on the angel show where he was turned into a puppet from magic

[@dazzatv9571]

It was crazy he really sees them as puppets which is what they are coz they all work for Vought

[@jndorosey]

Absolutely looooove it

[@waynereid9471]

@@dazzatv9571👌🏿👍🏿

[@DarkManXwithThe45]

Sam is technically the strongest super at the school/prison😂😂

[@toxicbv]

I love how detailed this show is, when maverick gets up and leaves you can hear his bare feet slappin the hallway

[@emergencyawesome]

He's just like his father. Creepin on random people 24/7 and getting down with just about anything you could imagine.

[@Auslander25]

​@@emergencyawesomellamas especially

[@Diminish12]

My favorite detail was when they had the girl turn small and ride the 🍆. It sounded so real like when they slap on my girls butt, also when she punched his nuts it's literally the same smack sound mine makes when my girls massaging them slaps mine, before taking in the whole 🍆. We were also thinking how great the show is.

[@moreplz]

That wasn't his feet slapping 😳

[@adamH.1]

​@@emergencyawesomei have a feeling that every person with the ability to turn invisible would succumb to their desires like that

[@Vaeland]

I think it’s fitting that Cate was the one wiping them and has an obsession with control to keep friends safe. I was afraid she was going to be a secret villain that didn’t care so this is a much better direction imo, it’s very fitting that she would be petrified over a situation she can’t control

[@matthewterlaga3022]

Sloan is confirmed to be a student , who’s power is to turn into a lama (not very useful for crime fighting, so she’s in the entertainment school)

[@brad4231]

Man, that puppet fight scene was next level. I laughed my ass off like the lunatic I am for being entertained by this glorious raunch fest. But it was also brilliant for the context of his character.

[@Igivegdparent]

wow i never realized the invisible kid is the son of translucent also this was a really good episode cant wait to see what marie can fully do at the end of the series you should make a video on power scaling of the heroes who are left i think marie has potential to be at homelanders level also loved the puppet scene it reminded me of the old school show angel where angel was turned into a puppet by magic and drained people with his puppet vampire form

[@HaleysTusk]

Maybe Soldier Boy shows up in a flashback where we see him observe "Black Noir" being dosed w/ whatever is making Sam hallucinate the puppets? Maybe Noir was once an experiment of the Woods? I mean that might be how the scientist is trying to 'control' Supes, create hallucinations that can affect the Supe that's hallucinating them. Black Noir's hallucinations convinced him to go back to Homelander after all...

[@DPSFSU]

16:40 The Dean says that she, Marie, has a benefactor. Meaning she has someone else that is looking to capitalize on her abilities and is wealthy enough to keep her out of testing.

[@Mr_Case_Time]

They’re doing such a great job with this franchise. It’s like there’s a throwaway line in season 4 about the development of the virus and some genius said, “You know what? That would be a really cool story to see.” And they were right.

[@traviscue2099]

I don't think its area of effect, I think she got to them one by one after this incident at Cardosas house. Otherwise Sam would of also had his mind wiped, since we saw her do it to him in the past. Cate likely also lied about Rufus, so when he says "It's not what you think" I wonder if Cate walked up behind them while they were sitting together and put them in that situation.. And its likely his junk healed, he didn't seem to have a grudge about it.

[@nunyabiznaz1352]

I came to the comment section for this very reason

[@Ok-qu2cf]

I dont think Cate lied about it. I think that the reason Rufus didn't hold a grudge was because he was actually about to do that stuff to Marie. And also, i think if Cate was there we wouldve saw her either when it was revealed that she betrayed them or when we saw Jordan pov of Rufus and Marie talking. I think she pinned it on Rufus because of what he did to her and because it makes since for a guy with psychic powers to mess up somebodys memories. And also, there has already been stories about Rufus and what he does to people. Cate probably only told them about the story because Marie told her about her experience with him. (sorry this is a lot)

[@KayceeEnerva]

Im not sure if Cate was telling the truth that Rufus abused her or she just told that so they'll pin it more on Rufus.

[@jm5232]

I haven’t seen anyone online mention the fact that Ryan is the first natural born supe, so the fact that Andre and Maverick both share the same abilities with their fathers was either looked over or a big coincidence.

[@JamesMceveley-qz3mk]

Think they were still injected with compound V ryan might just be naturally born because of the amount of compound V in homelander Andre's dad seems like he would inject him

[@iRyanB]

I was also wondering that. I think ryan is still the first born supe. The other two kids were probably injected with compound V and since their DNA is similar to their parents, they got their parent’s powers

[@decepticonxhunter4850]

All of the students at this school were injected with V. They weren't born with powers.

[@nicholasgarrick8855]

I thought the episodes was ways too short ,but it was the best one so far captured the college vibes finally Im excited to see where the group goes from here.

[@86Kera]

I thought so too!

[@blunthunt5631]

Agreed

[@aussicilian717]

I feel as if Vought is holding Cate's brother somewhere and they are using her to do their dirty work. That is my theory

[@Inkbkank.2029]

Good theory

[@boiledodenproductions]

Cool, The Boys universe has Zoan types now.

[@FlawlessBegetz]

17:07 No, Vought-A-Burger is a Paradoy of What-A-Burger.. a little German Easter egg in there too with the play on words

[@lenen4337]

Marie can drain the compound V with her blood manipulation power hence depowering even the strongest supe

[@Megafreakx3]

What I find so interesting is how the characters in the show all follow the theme of not being what they seem. Like the writers introduce them one way but then reveal they’re completely different

[@LittleMan27]

Cate clearly didn’t want to do this. When she told her brother to go away, she essentially lost her parents too. The Dean manipulated her and became her proxy mother, just like she tried with Marie. Cate dropped her major for management to “manage” Golden Boy, but the Dean wanted to control him. Cate went to Sage Grove with Golden Boy only to calm Sam down (the Dean works at Sage Grove). When they said Sam died, she refused to use her powers and the grief he had wouldn’t let him look for Sam. Luke probably found Sam in the basement and Cate was forced to suppress his memory over and over (that’s why he only sees visions of the woods). Tek Knight saw her taking her glove off in episode 4 because the Dean wanted him gone, but he immediately caught her and the interview was forced to continue. Cate clearly doesn’t want to do any of this to her friends, but the Dean keeps manipulating her.

[@jaredconley808]

If You Saw The Promo For The Next Episode Our Dean Winchester/Solider Boy Is Returning!!!! 😃🤩

[@emergencyawesome]

yes

[@SithLordAnakin]

Hes gonna take care of Sam. Tsss... -giggles.

[@keonhazel2799]

I’m curious to see how Marie responds to the school trying to create a way to control supes. Like I see her hating the secrecy and experimenting on kid/teenage supes but she’s already experiencing the more dangerous/unhinged characters so I can see her thinking it’s a necessary evil. Also interesting to see how her blood bending powers get more refined.

[@TheBuddhaPrime]

Mad theory but with the differences between the comics and the show what if it is ryan who ends up going crazy after his time with homelander and homelander ends up having to stop his son. that would be unexpected but i think would be cool to see

[@koolerpure]

i have a crazy theory that sam isnt actually insane, every time he seems to go off those security agents are always near by so my theory is there is device setting him off just like how there is a device that can hurt you just for having powers from the second episode

[@guiguiregismercer5720]

I have enjoyed the puppet massacre! I like what they did with cate, I truly believed rufus was erasing them. I also feel like they revealed her too quickly or that she undid her wipe too quickly. Overall very cool episode and recap!

[@stepanovicboro]

18:09 nah its an rfid tracker. Thats also probably how theyre finding sam constantly. Starlight took hers out in season 2, i think when they went to research stormfronts liberty identity.

[@nicholasgarrick8855]

So we now Marie has a benefactor ,but i think its victoria neuman they have similar powers ,and she definitely know about the woods seeing as she is anti - supe ,and the woods wants to control super heroes she probably also grew up with marie in that orphanage of supe kids plus weve seen shes going to show up in the series in a later episode i just think its her lol.

[@d444nnyy]

what’s a benefactor

[@nicholasgarrick8855]

When the dean ,and doc was discussing the virus on supe ,and benefactor about marie.

[@uh3331]

sugar daddy investing in u @@d444nnyy

[@BHVCREX]

@@d444nnyy a person who gives money or other help to a person or cause

[@Igivegdparent]

@@nicholasgarrick8855 i wouldnt be surprise if it is victoria she wants marie to possibly be some type of deterrent for homelander

[@carlos_picyweiner]

Big thanks to Emergency Awesome, no one covers this amazing show and universe. Another amazing brakedown, and another fantastic episode! Thank you, Charlie!

[@ellevonk.2925]

The scene in Rufus’ room, behind Marie and between the two posters, it looks like “Sloane was here” is written on the wall.

[@iamdervy8789]

The sam puppet scene got me on the floor bro 😂😂😂😂

[@user-un4dq9zg5s]

“Rip to his little dude, he had it coming” made me snort my food into my nose

[@Linda-hf7vr]

thanks for the explanation as to what the scientist wanted Marie for, I wasn't sure what he was referring to. I remember Magneto able to control people by controlling the iron in their blood, I'm imagining that she has even more control of blood.and now I'm curious whether Andre could do the same as Magneto. I'm curious too as to what Soldier Boy will be doing in the next episode.

[@drphot6050]

He will probably be in a school video nothing more similar to his "son" only being on a drink cup

[@richtang4946]

i hope we see soldier boy next week doing a psa video

[@seanpatrickcain2]

Just like Captain America

[@deathstarstallion]

I think its possible (not likely) Vought deems the Scooby Gang too troublesome and maybe they bring Soldier Boy out of cryo so that he can kill or capture all of them

[@toooriginal3816]

I think your wrong about Cates area of effect power. Every single time Cate is shown on screen using her powers she takes her gloves off and physically touches the person.

[@jaimasson]

'Soulja Boy' in the captions 😂

[@xBabaxYagax]

Im NGL the way this started i thought i was tripping for a sec like my damn mind was wiped 😂🤣 loved how everything came together with this episode and excited for Soldier Boy coming back on the next one!!

[@DmDaPDm]

The Tek Knight thing was a clue, everyone thought Kate could only touch the person directly to use her powers, but turns out she can effect multiple people in the same area. But she still must have to touch in someway to do it...hmm but i thought even with her taking off her gloves, it would be weird to touch Tek Knight at that moment, So he probably knows she doesn't need direct contact.

[@chadbinette3201]

I knew Cate was shady from the beginning, when she jumped to the best friend when her BF died . Or maybe she was with andre the whole time and wiping his memory? And soldier boy at the end? Maybe they had his memory wiped and use him Winter soldier style?

[@Matty0311MMS]

Robert "Bobby" Singer is the characters name of Jim Beaver in Supernatural. Robert Singer, the writer, director and producer of the series did not appear in The Boys, but he did appear in Supernatural, when the broke the 4th wall.

[@AryaMewadaMusic]

I really feel ,Sam will fight or kill Homelander! And Marie might cure butcher?

[@stepanovicboro]

I just hope that theres gonna be a scene between soldier boy and rufus since they both were in supernatural, some reference where soldier boy calls him jack or something dean would do, but its just soldier boy 😅😬

[@justkenneth]

Why do i feel like Soldier Boy is going to have a Berserk Wolverine moment when they try to save Kate from one of the facilities

[@Pilaspilas911]

I'm really just enjoying this show. Next to the live-action One- Piece, Gen V is easily one of the top shows in 2023.

[@PeterDarker92]

Cate has been moving shady the last few episodes, so I wasn’t surprised. Phenomenal writing so far

[@mikejackson2228]

It would be impossible not to abuse that power if touching someone was all it took. How could you not?

[@SithLordAnakin]

Yeah but those side effects she has is not good who knows if shes gonna have brain hemerages

[@Stef-Bef]

Can’t wait until Marie can learn to control the blood in other peoples bodies fr. Like just start exploding ppl or freezing them 🧐. She could really do so many cool things, I see why they doctor wanted her

[@Igivegdparent]

i agree but since its the boys universe im scared for her she might end up a lab rat until they need her to deal with homelander or something

[@cryptkeeperthe9634]

Imagine if the boys ends anticlimactically with Marie pulling a Rufus on Homelander.

[@DShawnPaytonOffiicial]

I don't believe anything about Cate's backstory. The stories about her little brother and Rufus could have been bs just to make us feel sorry for her.

[@TheUnknown8924]

Sam puppet massacre was fkin amazing and gruesome and Cate being the baddie villain was interesting especially after the blackout I loved Marie, Andre, Jordan, and Emma so I’m interested to see how all this plays out this episode was pretty solid for what it was tho so I can’t wait for more The Boys and Gen V breakdowns and Easter eggs.

[@NiseyNikki80]

I know Cate has had access to everyone, but i still wonder how she was able to wipe the group. I guess she could've done it at different times.

[@NiseyNikki80]

Aah, explained

[@dusk108show]

I was wondering the same. The video side she has 'area of effect' but her actions seem like she Has to touch a person and not just be near them in order to use her powers.

[@aschen]

The trackers are the same that the 7 have/had. Black noir cut his out in season 3 and starlight cut hers out earlier than that

[@JayRay4924]

@14:54 man I hate to be that guy but the actor who played Robert Singer on the Boys is named Jim Beaver, who also played Bobby Singer on SPN. Although as I think you've mentioned before, Robert Singer was also a producer on Supernatural. Too many people and characters with the same name dangit!

[@richtang4946]

i hope we see tek knight more of this season or next season

[@jRockyStep]

Does nobody remember when she went to see same with Golden boy right after saying she never met him? It was like ep 2

[@kyransmith1640]

It was quite obviously Cate behind this when you saw them confront her in previous trailers and she disappears

[@ultimateme3049]

Then it's good I went at it blind without trailers, it took me by surprise

[@86Kera]

Wait it just dawned on me before finishing the video what was dripping from the ceiling 🤢 and the puppet scene was my favorite. Poor Sam. I’m rooting for him.

[@emergencyawesome]

yep, lol

[@uh3331]

Don't lie to us...@@emergencyawesome

[@Inkbkank.2029]

Ewwwwwwwww 😮

[@mattdeering5668]

One thing that stood out to me was the Marie/Rufus scene in that it's the first time we've seen her manipulate blood inside someone else's body. Massive powerup if she can control it

[@drphot6050]

Her powers are Omega-Level but she doesn't know it yet!

[@johnkoko]

The puppet scene 😂 sam is cray cray

[@siphe11]

Emma is the best, going with her gut feeling and trusting Sam

[@att1788L]

Vaught-a-burger is clearly a play on whattaburger.

[@nerdwatch1017]

I’d like to know how much damage Marie could do against Homelander using her Blood Bending powers. Can she create massive Blood clots inside his vains then have them go to his lungs or heart or even his brain giving him a stroke putting him in a vegetative state

[@cryptkeeperthe9634]

Or... Yknow. Could she use that power move she dropped on Rufus on him.

[@stfu5013]

​@@cryptkeeperthe9634Would just get blised or lasered immediately

[@adam.677]

Are you kidding me, Homelander would sense something is off and laser beam her head into another dimension 😂 I love how everyone is so fickle and is now like "homelander doesn't stand a chance" 😂 yeah OK then

[@nerdwatch1017]

@@adam.677I know he’s still the most powerful. I just wonder how much damage she could do still. I mean if he’s focused on something and she can take a few moments when he’s talking with someone and cause his blood to start extremely clot there’s some damage that that could do!!

[@cryptkeeperthe9634]

@@stfu5013 You're right, but it'd still be a laughable sight.

[@owwrocks3241]

Jared Padelecki as Hughie in a gag episode where he takes something experimental to ward off the brain tumors from Temp V, and a temporary side effect is looking like Jared Padelecki, and complains about having to go back.

[@thegamerboneless2864]

If they put that in them earlier, some would’ve felt it like the blood chick. And Kate was used she looks like a monster and may become one but I don’t think she let her humanity go yet 😂

[@windsfiend]

The Dean talk about a "benefactor" , so I don't think the ranking has anything to do with this (especially since the can change it however they want like Jordan). It's a baseless thought but I think the one protecting Marie is Victoria Neumann, just a hunch. I'm pretty sure that they're developping an "anti-sup" serum behind Homelander' s back, unless it's something he wants too since his big fight in season 3 (I still think we haven't seen the last play of Stan Edgar but it might be unrelated). Rufus probably didn't do anything to Cate since they talked about his assault on Marie but when it came to Cate he mentionned the "Jumanji" incident instead. Cate probably told that story to put the target of the group on Rufus but she failed to realise that her "Boyfriend' might seek revenge and be too fast for her to control him. Cate will have a redemption arc or die trying to have one.

[@icewaterwitlemon]

I’m confused because Vought didn’t put Soldier Boy in Cryo, the CIA (Grace mallory) did. Also, Stormfront didn’t *let* anyone do anything, she got fucked up with no hope of getting better, and they wouldn’t freeze her. Stan Edgar says he has to appease Stormfront, nothing is ever said on Vought’s end about freezin these supes

[@jasongaudreau2075]

My prediction for all of this is that Marie will figure out her powers and eventually be a weapon against shoes cuz she’ll be able to seperate the V outta their blood….effectively shutting off homwlanders powers like u said.

[@BearWith_You]

I feel like the Cate and Shetty scene is a foreshadow of Cate is her daughter that was mentioned

[@nicholasgarrick8855]

Sam would make a wonderful black noir 2.

[@smanpimpy]

I've seen the sign 'No Lookie Loos!' sign in a few places, is that just supposed to be like a Stay Out sign or is it some kind of easter egg? I felt like it looks too stylised to be a regular sign.

[@kyransmith1640]

Cate told Golden Boy to kill himself next time he speaks to Andre

[@SithLordAnakin]

I went to college and the parties were JUST like this.. without superpowers.

[@edwin4846]

I thought supes couldnt have kids? big plot point on the boys... yet here we have translucents son and polaris' son

[@shippendales8543]

I think that's only thing in the comic book thing but that wasn't translated to the live action tv show In the comics only Homelander has a biological child But in the show Victoria Newman has a daughter in the boys tv series I think supes can have kids on the tv series but might not inherit their powers e.g... why Victoria Newman gives her daughter V to jumpstart her powers And Andres Dad was a superhero Stormfront also had a daughter who died of old age in the boys tv series

[@RickytickyBobbywobbin-jl5oy]

They thought Supes couldn’t have kids and then homelander had Ryan. That happened at the end of season 1 lol. They’ve been showing supes with kids since then.

[@Aquamarinix_]

That move for the show was dumb as hell

[@tcfuzz]

Finally someone mentions jack from supernatural is rufus 😂

[@brp_]

17:57 - The device looks just like the one that Frenchie cut out of Starlight in Season 2.

[@Aquamarinix_]

Tracking chip

[@coffeeshakes86]

This entire universe of The Boys and Gen V is what DC should have been. But as is, these shows are badass and I'm here for all of it. 🤙🏻🤙🏻

[@SheffKane]

Rufus kept catching strays

[@andrewwright64]

How would you force Homelander to take the new control serum? You couldn't trick him easily, he would smell it almost certainly. Maybe force feed it to cryo Soldier Boy and then control him to force feed it to Homelander with help from the other toughest heroes?

[@spiralking-daringlybold6862]

Soldier Boy is locked away. I don't think he's around. It was probably a mere flashback, unless they planned on waking him to test his blood, which might be able to nullify powers, the same experiments happening at The Woods during this time. Therefore it's possible he's a awake, but I don't see why you would want to awaken someone so dangerous, ruthless, irrational, and angry unless they felt they can control his mind, which I doubt.

[@ryanreviews8566]

gahd i loved the puppet section. that shit was HILARIOUS.

[@ryangreeney7413]

I still don’t know Sam’s actual power set is.

[@carlos_picyweiner]

Sam’s delusions seem very similar to Black Norse

[@mitchell8867]

Did enough people not comment who Jared padalecki should play last week? You asked the question exactly the same way confusing the hell out me thinking I accidentally went to the last episode..

[@lucaiacob6206]

I like that they teased it since the first episode, like Golden Boy died cause he remembered his brother cause she didn't keep him in check

[@brettrose7162]

Sam becomes the next Black Noir. Same had a Black Noir poster in his cell. The original Black Noir saw cartoons, Sam sees puppets, this is a fix considering they killed the original Black Noir off and he plays a major role in the story

[@heinaung2654]

How many episodes are there in this season?

[@bee-43]

Marie blood powers reminds me of Skarlet from mortal kombat

[@mistergoodguy1]

Full blown crazy pants 😂

[@waynereid9471]

Didn’t Kate make up all the stuff about Rufus?

[@richtang4946]

my prediction that none of the five are not going to join the seven

[@ogunernile]

The road sign is 420.....time to burn some treez y'all.

[@guiguiregismercer5720]

Loool! I juuuust finished watching the episode! You are right on time.

[@emergencyawesome]

Perfect!

[@TheRMF1]

I still want to know what exactly Golden Boy did to take himself out

[@HaleysTusk]

So are we going to get a surprise student in the Gen V Finale? Homelander's kid?

[@kevinkenobipius1557]

It’s a college

[@AlexPrice740]

Thank you great video

[@MohawedGaming]

That puppet scene tho lol

[@Breadh20]

love the berserk reference 😭🙏❤️

[@piper_129]

Waited for your post since I watched the episode 😭😭

[@emergencyawesome]

Thanks man! I try to finish my videos for all the episodes as fast as I can!

[@piper_129]

@@emergencyawesome appreciate your dedication 👍🏿

[@Brook11223]

It's literally Sup Hangover with Gen V.

[@tcprodigy]

Where did you get that Cate could affect ppl without touching them? I have seen nothing in the show to evince that.