I Spectated A Doomfist Who Faced EVERY Possible Counter in Overwatch 2

[@PatrickPlaysRetro]

Ah the old Doomfist special, get literally one kill and watch the enemy team morph into Orisa, Sombra, Cassidy, Ana before your very eyes lol

[@VideoKingist]

There's been too many times where I don't even get a kill and they attempt to counterswap me. Like I wasn't even making an impact yet.

[@notsuoh7233]

Same thing with genji too. Immediately Zarya/winston, sym, Mei, Moira, and brig. It’s so annoying

[@officialregirock4021]

@@VideoKingistthis

[@josephreynolds2401]

​@@VideoKingist real. That's basically a free win tbh because all you have to do is dodge the hard counters that are chasing you all game. It's kinda fun when you think if it like tag lmao.

[@Niksuttelia]

I think brig kiri is worse than ana. Ana is eady to outplay and play around but kiri and brig just fuck with you

[@raulgonazzaz6108]

Just gotta say, Emongg’s chat always has such a high ego compared to the man himself, it’s honestly funny. Like Emongg himself is always trying to find good things and nice plays to complement the players and humbling himself by saying “oh I would have probably done the same as well”. Meanwhile the chat is always so fixated on one bad play it’s like: you miss one punch and they’re like “is this bronze?” or “wasted cooldown”. Like bro chill out, just cuz you’re watching bronze or whatever rank it is in the video and can spot what they do wrong, doesn’t mean you’re gm 😂

[@omrizubary]

I just ignore chat

[@comd.shepard]

Sooooo true

[@The_real_sam_G._lackerson]

Dude ive been in that twitch chat it is crazy sometimes! Like I’ll be there just chilling and vibing and then some people just roast the life out of the player and I’m like dude why???

[@yuri_is_life5249]

Fr

[@The_LadyAJ]

Seriously though.

[@TgPepper]

Ball and Doom mains have this thing called Triple-H. It’s the gaurenteeable team comp they’ll run if you pick one of those heroes. Hacked, hooked, hinder.

[@JugsMcNasty]

Dont forget hibernate, a.k.a. SLEEP😅

[@SwazzyProdzz]

Don’t forget the javelin across the map

[@MyCommentsRMaturelol]

I'm starting to think the entire game just counters us. Maybe it's just being a ball main, but it feels like there's an infinite variety of triple CC comps in every game. We play against ashe for two minutes, then get forced to swap. Not counter swap, because it's not like we can swap and dive a Cass. We just get nuked a little less.

[@MyCommentsRMaturelol]

​@JugsMcNasty I am so OK with sleep. Most balanced cc in the game, honestly. I have a window to attack and I have counterplay. Fuck hack. And honestly fuck punch and hook too.

[@tau-5794]

It depends if you're playing Ball or Doom. Ball is hook, hack, hinder, while Doom is horse, hack, hinder.

[@WhopperEnjoyer]

Wake up honey, I'm on Emongg's channel :D Thanks again for the very insightful spectate

[@makadenmitchell2909]

5:14 i see you!

[@dragonsoul450]

Love the KZbin name. My name on overwatch is fatwhopper 😂

[@Ninetailsmaster16]

awesome gameplay!

[@eyrenuest]

Dude you are so good, I would never have survived more than 2 seconds in every fight if i play doom against a team like that. Keep up the good work

[@Hoazalf]

you did great!

[@derunfassbarebielecki]

The reason there people counter swap more in qp is, because a counter swap is the way of least resistance, so casual players do it because its less exhausting to do that and tryhards do it because theyre tryhards. Its basically the most efficient way to play the game.

[@josephreynolds2401]

Not very efficient for getting good though if the counterswap meta is canned or nerfed. Debatable if it should be, tbh, I see both sides.

[@derunfassbarebielecki]

@@josephreynolds2401 When someone isnt good at playing a hero they swapped to, then the counterswap is useless. People who play a variety of heroes instead of being a onetrick, might not be as good playing singular heroes, but thats still a way to play the game. In a game with a variety of playable characters, who all have unique abilities counter swapping will always be a viable strategy, you cant nerf it, because it is game design. Usually with a few exceptions getting counter swapped shouldnt be a problem, most of the time its the lack of teamplay which makes counter swapping strong, because team mates dont negate your vulnerabilities.

[@TgPepper]

One thing I’ll also point out is that… Although every Doom guide says “slam, block, punch out” Zbra and many other Dooms recommend “punch in, slam out” especially with the changes in OW2, it’s just better to Spam out, ZBRA claims it’s because Slam is more reliable as a disengage.

[@CammoNisse]

That can be useful for sure! If they are all clumped up you probably want to slam in still (if you don’t have charged punch) But if you use slam as a disengage you can more easily get to a safe high ground ect. The punch also tend to get stuck more often even if you jump right away

[@K_Nightshade]

I also occasionally just slam before they actually go in an punch out just to get some overhealth for the real team fight

[@channelnotfound.mp4620]

I'm learning doom and saw lots of people slamming in then punching out but had almost no success because it took time to change the punch enough to get away. I recently swapped to punch in then slam away which gets less damage but more survivability.

[@AnimeOtaku56.]

I think this doom is at a really good starting point. They have the mechanics down which is the hard part of doom. What they need to work on is the fundamentals. This doom rarely slam cycled which is one of the best ways to fight against counters. Not only is slam cycling good against counters. It helps build ult and stall the point which is one of dooms greatest strengths. Very few characters can hold a point/corner hostage like doom. Slam in get a couple of shots try and bait cooldowns punch out. Doom is all about picking and choosing battles that’s why he’s highly mobile, but this doom is just taking every fight regardless of what’s happening. Slow down doom is not about playing fast it’s about waiting to strike.

[@Aon_Duine]

I've been doing that cycling with venture, it works so well

[@AnimeOtaku56.]

@@Aon_Duine it’s just one of the fundamentals of low cd characters. You should always look to cycle cd’s to get ult charge.

[@iiisoulzz]

Nice comment

[@JakeLyons__]

That aswell as his target priority with his primary’s being solely on the Orisa when he could get more value shooting one of the lower up squishies especially when she’s in fortify

[@ianmills6260]

Great comment. Slam cycling to waste time and wait for a favorable opening wins me so many games.

[@williamjensen5683]

Gotta love the 2 minutes of actual fun Overwatch, before the enemy team went Sombra and Orisa

[@bkrsinfested257]

What do you mean 2 minutes Id say the first 30 seconds you could see with how the sigma was playing at the beginning that he wanted to die to swap Orisa and be a menace play they already had swapped sombra and Cassidy before that even happened. They saw the Doom and said hell no I want to make it hell for him the entire game

[@cosmic5665]

Im gonna be completely honest, i have fun regardless of the enemy team

[@kingclampz6081]

Wrecking ball and Doomfist what are your thoughts on them? Both are extremely similar selfish dive tanks with the same counters. Both are also cool down ability based, both have cc, and both get hated on a lot for the same exact reason (both are not traditional tanks and majority of doom/ball players are bad while simultaneously being the most frustrating to go against if the ball/doom are actually good.

[@The_LadyAJ]

This was genuinely fun to watch. Doom played well despite his counters and emongg is always so positive. His chat is another story but that's fine. I can ignore the chat for the most part.

[@VideoKingist]

They weren't kidding when they mentioned the IMMEDIATE counterswap. That's never fun. EDIT: Lol, every hero on the other team minus mercy would count as a Doom counter by the time they reached the 2nd point.

[@roland8357]

Hell I'd argue mercy "counters" doom. Way harder to punch a flying mercy than any other support fr

[@comd.shepard]

​@@roland8357 Fr

[@TgPepper]

@@roland8357yeah, if Pharah counts I don’t see why Mercy wouldn’t.

[@pepekovallin]

​@@TgPeppermercy doesn't counter doom, doom just can't properly punish her

[@mr.jazzhandz1697]

If he gets that under control with over extending, that’s easy diamond or masters doom

[@naverich4603]

I think he'll climb pretty fast, probably just didn't play that many matches since the rank reset

[@Brooklyn718Pit]

Emmong is the typa guy to sound dehydrated and hydrated at the same time.

[@grimdrippah]

14:20 Loved that Stanley Parable reference in the TTS message😂

[@wazopaio]

If there's one thing I've always admired about Doom mains... They're resilient. They could be hard countered but if they're still getting a pick here and there, they'll tough it out.

[@K_Nightshade]

If we didn’t, we’d never get the chance to play Doom lol

[@wazopaio]

@@K_Nightshade props to y'all. I don't have that kind of fortitude. I'm a Brig main.

[@K_Nightshade]

@@wazopaio To be fair, your main says “F*ck you” to the entire dive cast anyways lol

[@kingclampz6081]

@@K_Nightshade Wrecking ball and Doomfist what are your thoughts on them? Both are extremely similar selfish dive tanks with the same counters. Both are also cool down ability based, both have cc, and both get hated on a lot for the same exact reason (both are not traditional tanks and majority of doom/ball players are bad while simultaneously being the most frustrating to go against if the ball/doom are actually good.

[@HmongHeroo]

LMAO, that Ana got rolled so hard at 9:00

[@SuperEesti]

3:31 the lock onto Kiriko is really interesting to say the least...

[@majin2405]

That vod description was quite wholesome. Honestly this Doomfist is clean I'm rootin for the homie!

[@g4greed502]

This doom has earned my respect and is exactly why I lose games. I'm too prideful to swap sometimes

[@thomaswestendorf9213]

I respect this guy.

[@GorillaField]

Sombra should have to take considerably longer hacking a tank than a dos or support

[@PeetonNoel]

I think Hack cooldown should go up just a tiny bit as well

[@garrison4173]

No it’s fine as is. It is literally only good against like 2 tanks (ball doom) other than that it is just an annoyance. Doom needs characters like sombra to keep him in check since he is very strong without counters being played. And even with counters he is still playable unlike some other characters like rein or Winston who if you want to make them swap you can

[@Robin_hsr12]

My issue with somb is the anti fun kit she has. ​@@garrison4173

[@K_Nightshade]

@@garrison4173Here’s the thing though, it’s not just Doom players that dislike her. She annoys EVERYONE. The fact that a 5-6 second cooldown that doesn’t require aim can cancel most ultimates is infuriating. Ulting while a Sombra is alive is even more of a gamble than ulting already is.

[@perm1thurple581]

@@K_Nightshade everyone hates em but honestly ball and doom players hate her more than anything on earth

[@K_Nightshade]

Even with all this, I still get this guy had fun. Doomfist is one of those hero’s that as long as you can occasionally have those dopamine inducing moments, we’ll keep playing him. Counter or no

[@djob7384]

Notes: Hold space and barely charge a punch if just for movement, cancel seismic midair if only for movement or cancel seismic into block for extra height depending on if you just wanna get in place for a surprise attack on next team fight OR to get away in niche scenarios. Look for big clusters of enemies to tap with punch just to build shields, then seismic out; a seismic out of certain engagements just works better depending on the map architecture and if I remember correctly punching in builds higher Ult charge depending on group sizes. If want to maximize damage output with a punch look for engagements that surprise the enemy, and if you wanna be extra sneaky I think there is a voice line that cancels out the grunting. Umm, I would say to maximize blocks make them focus you first but have a CD to get out without wasting a punch unless your team hard engages with you. Most of this is muscle memory, BUT the true way to maximize Doomfist is being proficient with his hand-cannon. Oh and Ult to get away unless you know you can get away with it, like during a team fight. Side Note: Stick with the team if the enemy has counters like Sombra, or work with team mates to organize a dive. But most importantly have fun and don't tilt lol.

[@HandfulofNoms]

As a doomfist main i can agree this is very nice gameplay keep it up :D

[@kingclampz6081]

Wrecking ball and Doomfist what are your thoughts on them? Both are extremely similar selfish dive tanks with the same counters. Both are also cool down ability based, both have cc, and both get hated on a lot for the same exact reason (both are not traditional tanks and majority of doom/ball players are bad while simultaneously being the most frustrating to go against if the ball/doom are actually good.

[@AlexanderHarkildChristensen]

as a doom main, i can confirm that this is literally how it is after you get one kill.

[@xsuperxvixenx]

In OW1 Room was the only DPS I couldn't play. In OW2, Doom is the only tank I can't play. Lol

[@bigbadbessy8467]

Honestly if the whole enemy team is worried about you and counterpicking. Just hold high ground on them. Make yourself seen, maybe land a bunch, then use your slam up to high ground and pop some shots, make the team turn around and watch you so your team can start making plays. And once they take their eyes off you, start punching again

[@vik7946]

That is exactly the team comp I get put against when I'm just trying to have fun with Doom in QP ;w;

[@StillWitty_]

When doom jumped off the cart to get value out of his punch it was so relateable when everyone stopped contesting as a doom player

[@TgPepper]

It’s okay to miss your punch, it’s not okay to miss your punch and have no slam. So if you want to punch a Kiriko you better have slam. If you wanna punch an orisa out of spin, that’s different. If you do this more you’ll be by nature out of position less but what I’m really seeing here is a lack of position.

[@Robin_hsr12]

Or maybe. It's OK to miss shit. It happens. Nobody has 100% accuracy with anything

[@TheSwoon69]

Spectating Tuesdays to go with Bingo Fridays makes for a good week

[@galic0102]

Three get rich quick tip for Doom: 1. You almost never want to use both slam and punch while engaging as your left with no escape tool( this is most of the reasons he died). Try punch in > go for elim > slam out. 2. You need to punch around cover. Everytime you sit there and charge your punch in front of the enemy team your basically asking them to cc you and dump damage into you. So instead come around a corner while charging so they have less time to react to you. (This is also part of punching in) 3. You have to be able to recognize when your feeding. If you realize that every time you engage your already at half health, you need to change your way of approach. Flank with empowered punch, move to an off angle so the enemy team has two places to look, Avoid the tank completely and harass the back line. Stuff like that.

[@ralphforbes5807]

Wish the doom i had last night was like this dude, instead i got one who got countered, bitched about it but refused to swap and we got steamrolled cause he was playing respawn simulator 😂 unfortunately though biggest advice I can give is if your playing tank, counter swap, its legit one of your best options with how ow is now

[@K_Nightshade]

People who complain in general are awful. B*tching isn’t helping anyone. Either swap, ask NICELY for help, or do better. I remember asking a tracer to help me dive focus their Ana since I couldn’t get back there with their brig in the way. Instead of whining, “Why isn’t anyone dying??” Like some people do, I started acting like a team and it worked.

[@neondead2.0.15]

Tbf he is decent Doom. And the most important part he not going in on 12 hp and then blaming supps for not keeping him alive.

[@gokuuzumaki70]

Overwatch ❌️ Rock paper scissors ✅️

[@wanna877]

I dont see him punch jump to get that extra length

[@Thund3r43]

Honestly this is refreshing to see my doom play style is very similar to this player and I see the over commitment problems in mine as well. playing the character well but having bad positioning is killing me kinda holding me back

[@Ieatmoilk]

11:24 chatter says just shoot and ping the mercy bruh 😭absolute genius

[@ruizperezjorgejesus3128]

Appreciated the Stanley Parable Reference chat

[@davidkujo8552]

Why was the doom only targeting orissa?

[@MrNeCr01]

Other than the constant blocking into hax, actually a solid Doom; even for plat

[@marineone-sixteen5311]

Keep it up buddy! Big shout out to every doom community member!

[@trevin277]

"I don't know how that missed" Oh that's just the doom classic right there I believe the devs as a joke made it to where there's like a 10% chance you can phase through people when you punch especially if you're punching them in chokes and there's literally no way for them to dodge somehow you still go right through

[@perm1thurple581]

sometimes ill hit dudes 90degrees away from me or even behind me and then other times ill literally get their entire left side and the game will just say 'NOPE LOL!"

[@giannigoodwin3091]

2:22 he would have had a three piece instead, he went for Orisa

[@KingCujo33]

Considering they swapped instantly, you’d thing this guy would change his playstyle instantly but he kept doing the same “punchslam, block, punch” combo. Which is the easiest way to get cc’d and die instantly with doing ~120 dmg total.

[@CaldyLives]

Doom needs sustainment buffs. Also he need and actual reload so he can have constant pressure.

[@loserinasuit7880]

I want to play Doomfist competently so bad but its so hard to learn in Quick Play because I get counterpicked by Sombra in the first match. In competitive I get it but holy shit it is so hard to learn when you spend the entire game hacked.

[@ciach0_]

THEY COULD HAVE TOUCHED THE POINT

[@veryfunny7755]

sombra hack shouldve been nerfed/reworked to where it doesn't affect non-electronic components abilities. In short terms, should not be able to cancel like cass flash because its literally nothing to be hacked

[@chiefinasmith]

This is every Doom game tbh. I’m surprised they didn’t go Ana/Zen or Brig.

[@IIgREyIIwaRdENII]

How would one send you gameplay to look at?

[@lruddy8820]

it STILL looks weird to me that doom can slam and just nothing happens to the enemy

[@TheyCallMeMrMaybe]

For gold, not a bad doom. He should definitely practice some more doom techs and learn how to bait out CC. It’s clear an enemy team like this is only out to 1v5 Doomfist but that only creates an opportunity for your team to pick them apart as they focus all of their CC on you.

[@Jacques-k5v]

If he can pressure the backline more (supports) the Orisa has to eventually turn around. But a DPS should dive with the Doom to take picks for pressure. I despise the triple H comps

[@Trav_Doom]

Man Doom always looks so fun. Him and JQ are most fun tanks to me, but I’m dog water at both 😭

[@K_Nightshade]

I’d suggest just watching people like Zbra, I’ve learned everything I know just by observing high level players, and slowly implementing their techs and slowly increasing my sensitivity

[@rileywhite4281]

Try not to use all cooldowns to engage into hard counters : level [Impossible]

[@Sh1nraZ]

if you go against a team that has half of them counter you, you might need to change hero

[@K_Nightshade]

I mean, just means they’re not countering anyone else. Playing tank is about sacrifice. If their team is looking at you, your team has free reign

[@lumines.6622]

This Doom is stronger than me. I would've swapped at just the Sombra.

[@TheGrafford]

Sombra is in every game and sucks for everybody to fight against

[@godspeed1808]

We got another baby who cant beat sombra.

[@synz901]

decent doom, should go less for the orisa though and more for wall punches

[@TheBoodercg]

I know this vid is showcasing counters to Doomfist but I don’t care what anyone says, Kiriko is Doomfist’s #1 hard counter over any Som/Ana. Doomfist whiffing his cooldowns due to a skillfully timed suzu from a cracked Kiri will force 100% of the doomfist playerbase to switch idc. Whiffing Meteor strike/Seismic Slam means you literally get zero overhealth and worse, zero enemies get hit by the slow effect. Not to mention she can bait the fck out of Doomfist better than a Sombra can since, again, Suzu. Also, not to mention Doomfist has a face and unfortunately Kiriko only requires 4 kunais to put Doomfist in a bodybag in spawn. A Doomfist getting hacked and immediately dying 10/10 means bad positioning period. There is no counterplay for Suzu/Kitsune Rush, you simply throw if you stay Doomfist into Kiri. AtleastSombra and Orisa are easy targets to kite if you’re tracking cooldowns/ults. Overcommit one time, and you just fisted yourself off the map for whiffing a punch on a stationary Bastion getting Suzu’d. Getting hard countered by Orisa/Sombra/Ana seem managable even solo. A Kiriko hard countering you means you can’t play the game whatsoever.

[@cooller8888]

HOLD THE DOOR!

[@Viewer-ld5rc]

This doom would’ve won if his team dived with him.

[@Crikeyz]

I had a game where they went Orisa casidy sombra ana and sombra IN A QUICKPLAY MATCH. Like, why? Ranked is understandable if they pull a zbra and become a 1 man army but to someone just playing casually is demonic behavior

[@Leftformilk4552]

Yo how do I send in clips😢😢😢

[@moleethedon]

The choke is real lmfao

[@lvl9541]

Im gold 5 tank and ever since hard reset and the influx of new players and the constant counterswaps it just doesnt feel fun right now.

[@hotdog5702]

I don't know why people request vod reviews from people who don't specialize/not knowing all that much about the hero you play. Emongg only says general advice instead of being specific. What i would say is the doomfist doesn't understand soft and hard engaging and when to hard engage + a lack of basic doom tech like punch bounces and stair slams + using ult for the sake of ulting and not using it for repositioning or just saving yourself + cooldown management is subpar as he often uses both slam and punch to accomplish nothing and uses both for movement when all you need is a punch and jump and finally sometimes blocks nothing so he has to learn when to block.

[@K_Nightshade]

I mean, he probably knows more than the submitter does.

[@axel_r_]

In QP, anyone who is not able to perform or meet someone who are just way, way, way, way, way better in the game then them, they go Sombra 😂

[@Hogonetrick]

By the way if the whole team could goes counter against u it’s still winnable for u it’s just harder

[@vizer7857]

ALRIGHT SO!!!

[@ciach0_]

Today's video we're watching a gold 3 doomfist on PC

[@swat_gaming1348]

I’ve gotten used to it I’m pretty good at 1v1ing hog sombra orisa cas Ana

[@cartergowin1504]

As a doom main the dooms team is diffing the enemy team to the max. This doom needs to realize your not beating an equal skill orisa go for supports and dps.

[@Chaoticaddy]

one game i was getting counter swapped by the tank AS A SUPPORT. Off the bat this dude was targeting me as ball (i know ball goes for supports mainly but he was basically only going for me) so obviously i swapped cause the game was basically unplayable, then the moment i swap they swap to counter me. so i swap again, and they swap too 😭and they were only counter swapping me like am i that big of a threat?? im not even that good at the game

[@comd.shepard]

The chatter's obsession with counter swapping, lol. If you want to play the role of a "Flex" player then swap to enable the doom. Go full dive! Why is the tank expected to swap? Btw I am a Tracer/Zen 1 trick. I love the fact that these "Flex" players always expect others to swap. Until & unless you are a top 500 player, you can go by not "Flexing". Learn the game or just shut up.

[@comd.shepard]

I play a mean Widow too but my Tracer is god tier for the rank I am in. If I am against the hardest poke comp I swap to her but if someone in chat says Tracer swap, you bet I ain't swapping off. I am confident enough in my Tracer that I'll gain that SR back. Stop shit talking & focus on your gameplay.

[@K_Nightshade]

Seriously though, the tank is always accountable to switch. If I’m playing Doom but my dps are falling behind, I’M expected to switch. Most people just want a shield up the *as or someone to ult and then give them potg

[@Flowzart]

ugh i hate seeing non doom players VOD review doom gameplay. this dude did sooooo many things wrong, but was never pointed out

[@JayceeCvTW]

as a doom main this was hard to watch not because of the counter but because i mean i guess just experience

[@traildawg]

best advice for doom mains: "it's okay to swap" 17:28

[@K_Nightshade]

But… Fisting is fun.

[@juant9173]

counterwatch

[@lvl9541]

Take doom back to dps where he belongs and replace him with a new tank

[@legitelf0058]

average quickplay game

[@3volv342]

this guy was dookie at doomfist im the same rank, he focuses way to much on the enemy tank and used multiple empowered punches on the tank when he could got 1-2 easy picks

[@flipugotthis]

as doom main since beginning...i cant watch sry... it kinda hurts. good play for gold tho

[@curie1420]

if only he wasnt playing doom he could probably climb, doom got soo many counters that the only thing you can do is jump in and jump out... if your dps isnt helping then its not an elim

[@K_Nightshade]

But… Fisting is fun.

[@byranhawkins6994]

He could have just switched to dva and dived the Ana. That would have forced either cassidy or orisa to peel, which then your dfs could shoot them in the back, and then they're dead.

[@shliq2]

first