ENGINE FAILS AFTER BIRD STRIKE | American A319 Diverts to Washington-Dulles!

31/OCT/2024
American Airlines A319 performing flight from Boston to Washington was on short final when the pilots reported the right engine had failed, they were going around and would need ro proceed ro Washington Dulles.
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[@flyerdon3116]

Hat’s off to the anonymous captain, using his tone, as well as his words, to point out to the tower that American had their hands full and that the tower needed to stop asking them questions and let them fly the airplane.

[@peterthegreat996]

Aviate , navigate and then communicate

[@batshevanivylerner8582]

and in a challenging airport to land in on a good day., with two good engines.

[@jake_]

At 0:35 an unknown pilot tells the Tower "They are an engine out" so that he stops repeating" say intentions". I don't think the controller understood how a go around with one engine is far different than a normal one. I like how the other pilot intervened to underline the severity of the situation.

[@dl8513]

Did you notice that the controller had changed too? The guy asking for intentions was different from the one that acknowledged the go around.

[@danielmoser1024]

TBF i think when she reiterated that they are runway heading 3000 hopefully he got the point

[@dl8513]

@ no, I think the new guy is the first to ask her to state intentions. I can’t really make it out, but it kind of sounds like ATC background chatter on freq before that that’s “I’m taking over” or something.

[@maanmohammad8459]

​@@dl8513 Clearly the one who started with "blue streak" is different from the one who said "say intentions"

[@TimWaddle]

@@dl8513 I wouldn't read anything into that, they rotate frequently

[@nukejets]

Thanks for showing the sectional chart background. I surely helps to clear up the aircraft and airport locations.

[@beckramsey7746]

Going around on one engine is nothing to laugh at

[@VASAviation]

You can notice how slowly they climb.

[@ridiculousblue9917]

@@VASAviationI’m giving it all she’s got capn

[@SkyWatchAviation]

Takes a lot of skill to do that

[@molarrr]

Going around on one engine is hard enough and add DCA into the mix makes it worse.

[@RetiredEE]

​@@molarrrwonder if there is a constant CAP up above that quietly drops in behind any aircraft deviating with an emergency in that area.

[@SkyWatchAviation]

Takes a lot of skill to go around on one engine she did an incredible job amazing pilots and amazing atc it was handled very well and professionally

[@StephenCole1916]

Harder even for DCA as you can only go in direction for go around. Planes are not allowed to fly over the District, they have to stay west of the river.

[@dl8513]

@@StephenCole1916 they were landing southbound. So they were looking at the Woodrow Wilson bridge. They had a fair bit of river to work with on the runway heading, but right turn 250 would have put them over Alexandria.

[@SkyWatchAviation]

@ yeah

[@poodleplus]

Takes a lack of brains to initiate such a go around. Hitting birds while fully configured for landing on short final is not the time to mindlessly decide to go around. Obviously safer to continue landing precisely due to the possibility of engine damage. Pilots briefly getting startled by a bird strike wouldn't jeopardise a safe landing if approach continued.

[@StephenCole1916]

@@poodleplus Maybe, however at DCA, that would shut down the airport if the plane stops on the runway. Even though it has "3" runways, they all intersect in the middle. They would have to do a check for debris after landing as well. You would then have to divert all the other aircraft. At DCA, during landing and take off times, there are aircraft coming almost every 90 seconds. Better to go around and divert to IAD or BWI.

[@North_West1]

I like that ATC immediately gave quickest landing options offering AFB.

[@captainroovkoperer2650]

ATC didn't want to see the plane in the potomac river

[@xs10z]

Everybody wants to be the one who helps the next Captain Sully, and gets to become a movie star!

[@davidburke709]

Good flight deck, good ATC.

[@NicolaW72]

Indeed.

[@dl8513]

That’s some flying! You can her her stress as they were flying low and slow above the river, heading toward the Woodrow Wilson bridge.

[@scratchanitch]

The birds are rising up.

[@major__kong]

I for one welcome our avian overlords.

[@johnarnell4241]

Peanut's revenge.

[@cenccenc946]

well, it is War on Birds season (AKA hunting season). Only fair they fight back, and establish their air dominance again. 😆

[@stevevenn1]

Scary, going with the 25 piece wing sampler tonight. Outta show ‘em.

[@cippalippa5327]

It's migratory season for those birds that do (north to south). So it's not surprising to have this many bird strikes. A little sad though

[@NicolaW72]

Thank you very much for picking this incident up!🙂👍 Very professional from all sides! Really a good Job!

[@VASAviation]

Thank you for watching

[@NicolaW72]

@@VASAviation 🙂👍

[@HanSolo1]

Loosing an engine on a go around is probably the hardest maneuver in the sim, they did a great job.

[@Sebastian-Westhoff]

everyone is saying its so hard, can someone explain the difference & why its so difficult?

[@HanSolo1]

@Sebastian-Westhoff it's a lot at once, and staying on top of the rudder. A v1 cut is definitely way easier than loosing one on the go

[@alexmozie6301]

Out of the last 10 videos on this channel, 5 have been bird strike related. I'm sure there's research out there I can look into but it's making me wonder if bird strikes become more common this time of year with the bird migrations for winter.

[@markmaki4460]

Good point; i have noticed colder weather has been a little later in arriving this year.

[@SkyWatchAviation]

I’d assume so

[@batshevanivylerner8582]

it's migratory season - birds flying south for the winter. The atlantic corridor ("atlantic flyway") is one of the heaviest traveled by birds (flying south in the fall, north in the spring). Washington DC is part of the atlantic route.

[@alexmozie6301]

@@batshevanivylerner8582 Great input on the atlantic flyway, thanks! Also explains why many of these incidents seem to be on the east coast, and I wonder if the late winter @markmaki4460 brought up has been making migration patterns more difficult to predict than usual, and I also wonder if bird migrations are factored into air traffic routing in any way. Don't feel compelled to answer I'm just rambling my thoughts away and can Google this stuff if I want lol.

[@North_West1]

Annual Migration time

[@danc3488]

I was planespotting at Dulles on the northern access road near economy parking when this happened. Saw the trucks go out. Hearing that plane go overhead on just one engine was super weird. I remember seeing them circle around. You could tell by the sounds that they were doing everything they could with the one engine they had working. Amazing job by those pilots. That is not an easy thing to do, circle around on one engine in a very busy airspace. Sure, they could've gone back to Reagan or maybe Andrews, but Dulles has the bigger runways. They made the right call. With Reagan, if they're landing from the north and you don't line up on that last turn over Gravelly Point correctly, you'll end up going around again or worse (especially with one engine) stalling out and crashing into the Potomac.

[@volvodadfast]

Morning flight. Incident happened around 8:40 AM, 2 hours after sunrise.

[@infiticus]

@VASAviation - At 3:48, I believe that the pilot says "We'd like to keep being vectored while we figure things out".

[@dl8513]

Victor, can you put the stat splash screen in the beginning of the video like you used to? Waiting until 1:10 into the video makes it harder to find it.

[@TheBrain0110]

Not the OP, but my understanding is the youtube algorithm punishes putting an intro at the very start of the video (unclear to me if it directly punishes it or something about how people react to the intro like leaving immediately is the problem). Regardless of the exact mechanism that is why most channels have stopped doing it or found workarounds like putting it a bit in. So they are in a difficult position where it makes the video not as good, but the almighty algorithm rules all if you want your videos to be seen.

[@Laogeodritt]

@@TheBrain0110 One workaround that Victor could implement would be to use chapters and set a chapter at the info screen, so that there's a clear reference to click either on the seek bar or in the description, while still appeasing KZbin's discovery algorithm.

[@nohandleleft]

It's in the title and the video description! The rest of the world doesn't need to suffer because @dl8513 is too lazy to read the surrounding text. The entitlement...

[@rachelt2482]

Thanks!

[@Datamining101]

Complicated airspace to have an engine out go around on landing. 😅

[@JalaalElasmar]

Flight number 1539, and a bird strike causing them to lose an engine. imagine if the 3 was a 4 and they lost both engines, now that would be a huge coincidence

[@Truck1738]

Thumbnail shows the plane as United

[@godless266]

Plenty of alternates in the immediate area. Surprised though that the one suggested by ATC was Andrews (AFB) and not Dulles or Baltimore, though I guess technically its a little closer.

[@North_West1]

Andrews has a long wide runway. ATC was giving closest in case of an immediate landing was required

[@marty2704]

Callsign very similar to Sully Hudson Waterlanding. Prone to birdstrike i guess.

[@iamkirill]

Ur cover image for the clip says UAL not AAL

[@rilmar2137]

Legend has it, tower is still asking American 1539 about their intentions. On another note, a little interesting how that flight number is just one digit away from Cactus 1549 (and US Airways was absorbed into American)

[@kaimeier8528]

I don’t know if it would have continued and landed if I was short final or gone around. Single engine go around would be dicey but single engine River visual would also be challenging lol

[@VASAviation]

Indeed. And they sounded very sure to be diverting to Dulles.

[@Mike-jq9jo]

No one would go to DCA unless it was the only option!

[@EffSharp]

That was my question. I know nothing about aviation I was curious to know who going around with one engine was the better choice than just landing

[@Mike-jq9jo]

@@EffSharp There are a lot of factors that play into the decision to land or go around. To return for a landing or divert to a more suitable airport. In the case of DCA, it is a mighty short runway and one has to ask themselves, do we even have landing performance on one engine? What other aircraft systems might be degraded that will affect the successful outcome of the situation? I think the crew did an outstanding job as evidenced by the successful outcome. IMHO, the only way I would have gone back to DCA is if I needed to get on the ground ASAP as in the case of aircraft fire.

[@dvaritek434]

One of the approaches to dca has a Kai Tak like right turn about 5 to 10 secs before the threshold. Low slow and right engine out would be no fun as you'd generally want to turn into the good engine. They did the right thing absolutely.

[@Bunnysinger]

Can someone explain why the diversion to Dulles? In the time they diverted to Dulles they good have also circled Washington, do the check lists and land on their original destination?

[@Zamiroh]

Hi bunny. So I would imagine a two primary reasons. #1 dulles has much longer runways available. One of their runways is almost 50% longer than the longest at Reagan. #2 the airspace immediately around Reagan is very restricted. By heading out a little further west, it makes moving around just a little easier.

[@Annapolisbluesfan]

Dulles has long, wide runways with straight in approaches. DCA has short runways and more complicated approaches which just adds to the complexity of an engine failure. Plus, why go back to the place you hit a bird. There’s always more than one in a flock. And it’s possible the AA has more maintenance facilities at IAD….don’t really know.

[@chrisschack9716]

Dulles has runways that better than half again as long, especially 1C/19C and 1R/19L. One engine out means a lower flaps setting and higher approach speed to make a go-around easier (you noticed it took a while before they were ready to take vectors, they needed to clean up the flaps and gain speed, and Tower wasn't helping!)

[@dl8513]

No straight in approach to DCA, short runway that you have to nail… I imagine companies would say not to bother thinking about landing at DCA either an engine out.

[@Gr8fulbluz]

I have worked at 2 different companies that flew into DCA. Both had restrictions on using DCA as an emergency field. Dulles is 30 miles away. Weather permitting I usually pre brief it as the emergency field.

[@RetiredEE]

Anytime I see unusual activity with a plane around DC, my first thought is a Steven Seagal Executive Decision type scenario.

[@danc3488]

"We're not gonna make it!" "You are!" I've always found it a bit haunting that the flight number from that movie was 343, the same number of firefighters killed on 9/11.

[@RetiredEE]

@danc3488 also haunting was the Trigger Effect episode from James Burke's excellent Connections series. Filmed in 1978, it starts out with Burke in the World Trade Towers, alone, on a dark evening. He goes over the events that caused the huge Northeast blackout. One of the highlights is an inbound Swedish airliner which is jeapordized when all power at the airport and ATC is lost. It's flight number is... 911

[@danc3488]

@@RetiredEE Holy crap...had no idea. Creepy as hell.

[@RetiredEE]

​@@danc3488 it's well worth watching. Burke also did The Day the Universe Changed and Connections 2, but the original series, particularly that episode, is chilling.

[@EffSharp]

Question: if you have a bird strike while landing why is a go around better than just landing?

[@kmetvhribih]

Just guessing, but if they intended to use thrust reverses for breaking it would mean both less breaking power and bias to the left and the runway might not be long enough for that.

[@dl8513]

Pilots brief their approaches and go around when it’s not what they briefed. If it’s not right, go around.

[@SgfGustafsson]

There are many systems related to the engine that will be affected and a pilot will likely not be able to think of everything in that situation. Going around is safe and gives you time to run all the checklists. These will ensure that the aircraft is properly configured for the situation and all the important notes are brought to the crew's attention. Some examples would be more accurate performance numbers, using less flaps on landing, alternate hydraulic system configurations, GPWS inhibitions etc etc. If it is safe to do so, doing this covers all of your bases and sets the aircraft up for a successful and predictable approach and landing, as opposed to "winging it" and just landing.

[@Ndub1036]

That FO was shook af

[@thomaswilson8634]

Scotty give everything shes got. IIII captain shes a we bit sluggish butt i give ya all shes got even if i have to push it a little

[@xillerrodriguez]

4:55 "weather better than 5000 (ceiling) and 5 (SM visibility) at Dulles"

[@vwfanatic2390]

Maybe it’s just for smaller aircraft, but I thought the rule was never turn on your dead engine.

[@SgfGustafsson]

That has never been a rule

[@Zeusandapollo33]

It's recommended to "raise the dead" which just means bank away from your dead engine to keep the operational engine from pulling you into a spin. Not a hard rule but more of a rule of thumb.

[@vwfanatic2390]

@ so you would have no problem turning in to a dead engine in a kingair or Cessna 310?

[@Zeusandapollo33]

@@vwfanatic2390 you'd have to make it a shallow bank and a wide turn, but it's not impossible, just risky

[@johnhutto71]

She was VERY clear with the ATC that her intention was to fly runway heading. I'm guessing they had their hands full otherwise. Not sure why they kept asking her intentions so quick. Also, why did it take so long to declare an emergency?

[@DeltaEntropy]

When there’s an emergency and you break from the phraseology pattern, it can cause a bit of confusion.

[@johnhutto71]

@@DeltaEntropyyou could really hear the stress in her voice until they got some altitude and had things under control.

[@detritus23]

Because flying runway heading will put the aircraft into a handoff to deparure, unless the pilot ddclares different intentions, e.g. to Dulles Approach. Also, the D.C. airspace is very complicated with overlapping nd restricted airspaces. I am guessing the controller was doing a bit of juggling trying to alert departure of the go around, while also figuring out any potential resequencing. Not too mention that it seems like the radio frequency may have been crowded or disrupted. The comms we hear are not necessarily what ATC hears.

[@Jet_Lag_Jared]

@vasaviation Thumbnail says it's UAL not AAL

[@mikemicksun6469]

Well at least they did not get hit by a cargo container. Good job by the pilots to get everything right and land safely.

[@RS-pq5mo]

So why the divert to Dulles if they were scheduled to land at National ??

[@lyaneris]

To get an airport with a way simpler airspace and approach, way longer runways, a possible maintenance base and better firefighting capabilities

[@RS-pq5mo]

@@lyaneris Got it .. thanks 👌

[@natev8857]

to get away from the controller who keeps asking their intentions... lol

[@RS-pq5mo]

@@natev8857 🤣🤣🤣

[@JSFGuy]

That's 3 in a row...🤔

[@masoncallahan3113]

There were probably other flights that didn’t have bird strikes between the videos posted on this channel.

[@JSFGuy]

@masoncallahan3113 Right I'm talking about three incidents on here.

[@BreandanAnraoi]

This is getting out of hand

[@DeweyCheatumNHoweLLC]

​@@BreandanAnraoidarn vfr birds!

[@sandeegrey5977]

Those damn birds sent by Bill Gates😠

[@tristalia3113]

if it was an American 1549, it might have lost both engines

[@dl8513]

Actually, looking at the FR24 track, they very nearly hit the 14th street bridge. ADS-B shows their altitude as 0 over the 14th street bridge. (That’s probably an inaccurate reading.)

[@VASAviation]

Be advised FR24 doesn't correct altitudes for altimeter

[@Alecks-Ander]

Isn't it a bit surprising they took mostly right turns considering the right engine failed? I was under the impression pilots usually try and turn away from the dead engine because even tho it's tough to turn against the asymmetric thrust that's much better than the risk of turning into it and entering a spin. What am I missing here? No knocks against the pilots who did clearly did amazingly, just curious

[@VASAviation]

Turns on a jet aircraft don't matter at all, actually is better to turn into the dead engine because the live engine helps the turn. Totally different story on a propeller aircraft

[@Alecks-Ander]

@@VASAviation Ah that makes more sense now. Thank you for the clarification and all these amazing videos! Absolute legend

[@cenccenc946]

You would think, given the cheap costs of tracking devices these days, the airline industry would be keen to fund tagging flocks of migratory birds. You would only need one or two tags per flock, to create near real time bird warnings. That is besides whatever scientific value tracking birds might have.

[@NobricoMalacroft]

“Tower we’re in a climb. RA with a another fuckin goose”

[@GWNorth-db8vn]

Tens of thousands of birds migrate, in flocks of twenty or thirty individuals. Flocks form, break up, and change at every stop. That's a lot of tags.

[@whiteandnerdytuba]

Engine out is pan pan, calling a mayday just weakens the wording

[@persistentwind]

Birds seem to be high in iron content these days.

[@benoithudson7235]

More like iron seems to be high in bird content these days. (Ok, I guess aircraft engines aren’t iron anymore, but still.)

[@alsecen5674]

So. I know it's an emergency, but who is the PF and who is PNF? They're both on the radio.

[@VASAviation]

Roles can switch anytime time as necessary in an emergency for checklists, company, QRH or ECAM.

[@billybuttons4298]

Per AA's procedures, regardless of who's the pilot flying during an emergency once the situation gets stabilized and under control, the FO will become the pilot flying and the CA will manage the situation. That includes radios, talking the the passengers, talking to the FAs, ATC and running the checklists. So in this scenario, the CA was originally flying then handed off the airplane to the FO once things got under control.

[@westsida101]

I understand its an emergency but the Tower controller needs to understand that the pilots have a-lot on their hands at the moment to fly the plane with one engine, instead he’s barking instructions every literally every 2 seconds

[@IgorFioli]

That must be terrifying

[@bigphilnyc]

Since AA bought US, the callsign of 1539 is close, and was one of the miscommunicated callsigns during the US1549 event.

[@brentbeacham9691]

US Bought AA

[@bobbiac]

I know they had bigger problems but that mayday was really late..

[@SgfGustafsson]

Aviate, navigate, communicate in that order

[@Boodieman72]

Did the pilots divert because American had better maintenance facilities at Dulles? I would think they would have just landed on one engine otherwise.

[@ethaneberle1242]

No, longer runways

[@Javon_J]

Longer runway and also due to the fact that planes landing south at DCA have to make a series of turns to to maneuver around prohibited airspace over the White House. To line up with Runway 19, the pilots have to make a medium/steep bank turn, which probably would be difficult flying on one engine. Flying into Dulles allows them to set up a long, straight in approach.

[@brentbeacham9691]

IAD has Starbucks. Whereas DCA has Dunken. The choice was clear.

[@omarflores4234]

Cactus 1549 ❌ American 1539 ✅

[@OnlyRylan]

hmmmm cactus 1549, american 1539

[@bogyrect7268]

Their speed did not exceed 190 knots after the bird strike. Absolutely terrifying the A319's stall speed is 150 knots

[@VASAviation]

I see nothing terrifying in that if that's their minimum clean OEI

[@lyaneris]

Keep in mind that's stall speed clean. On approach, ATC regularly gives lower speeds. Also, minimum clean speed is not dangerous to fly

[@tosh7031]

@@lyaneris what does clean mean ?

[@lyaneris]

@tosh7031 gear up, no flaps/slats. That's what minimum clean speed is referring to, as well. Once you add flaps, the stall speed decreases a lot. That's how jets can land at relatively low speeds.

[@tosh7031]

@@lyaneris gotcha