Enough Of This Nonsense - This Is The Most Invalid Complaint - TKG 185

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[@NeevesKnives]

ONE DAY WE SHOULD SHOW OUR BOX COLLECTION, I KNOW MINE IS INSANE NOW EVEN INCLUDING THE POUCHES

[@fnargler]

I've got a whole closet full of boxes lol

[@jdmusic2122]

I have a box for all my boxes. I call it the ‘box box’ 😂

[@ericmack001]

Lol I do have a lot of boxes. I save the boxes in case I ever want to sell a knife. At one point I sold maybe 10 knives on Arizona Custom knives. It was great having all the boxes for the folders.

[@andyhayward1261]

Yeah I have all my boxes haphazardly stacked on top of the kitchen cupboard lol amidst cans of beans and spaghetti

[@NeevesKnives]

Andy Hayward I have to have multiple places because I have entirely to many 😆 I also keep an entire bag of pouches mostly for mailing knives to people

[@jamespark5465]

Well... Beauty (and value) is in the eyes of the beholder, and when collectibles are involved presentation matters a lot, especially in the secondary market. That's why knives I know I'll never sell get their boxes chucked as soon as I've checked them for defects, and knives I don't love are stored in their boxes. I started that habit when I threw out the box of a knife that turned into a collectible (Benchmade 771B prototype if anyone cares) and my untouched knife ended up being worth a fraction of a used knife with a box.

[@edwardjenkinson8948]

You hit the nail on the head, packaging cost more money why not put towards the knife keep up the great work

[@mikemcaulay9507]

Exactly. If we want to get into "worthwhile" inclusions, let's see some extra hardware, tool if it's an unusual screw head type and of course the ubiquitous cloth. These add value. I mean I love my Civivi knives but I could definitely do without the pouch. Especially if they included some of those awesome t8 screws that still have a small enough head to work as body screws. I think Apple really started this trend in mainstream society (very high end objects for the uber wealthy have always made much ado about the packaging). But even for really spendy knives it doesn't make sense to sink money into packaging when it's likely someone already has storage arrangements, particularly for expensive kit.

[@ryansmock2717]

As a collector, I actually want minimal packaging in a disposable form. I have been slowly throwing away knife pouches because I literally have 200+.

[@johnmarshall6191]

Giving a nice box and packing is all about a sales tactic called "perceived value". They are definitely trying to give the buy the impression that the knife is worth more than is maybe is with flashy presentation.

[@drubytoonzoriginals]

I’ve had packaging elaborate enough to leave me thinking they could’ve put more into the knife!

[@themasons215]

I am in the military and I move a lot. I don’t keep boxes because it’s space I don’t have during PCS season. I have had people interested in a trade or sale just completely back out because of the box. Crazy that to some people that’s what’s important. The guy said… “I am a collector, without the box it has almost no value.”

[@Kens_knives]

You know you want a box made of gold witch opens up with interior lighting and plays AC-DC Thunder Struck as you open up the box!

[@markp4401]

I like what Strider does. I’m not so fond of pouches because of their bulk. I collect knives and have limited space. So many of the cardboard boxes are flimsy as heck. Cold Steel comes to mind. I’ve bought lots of knives over the past four years and my favorite packaging came from Tactile Knife. They come in a box made of hard material just big enough for the knife. Pretty space efficient.

[@buckshot1955]

100% agree. Demko is a perfect example. The box is about as cheap and flimsy as you can get, I don’t care, the knife inside quickly gets all my attention, the box gets tossed in a cabinet.

[@shadowcastyt]

Hinderer’s another good example… most plain Jane box I’ve ever seen for a knife, but I didn’t buy the knife for the box I bought the knife for the knife

[@Cid_1]

I mean I don't care that much about packaging BUT. It's nice when a maker takes the extra little time on the presentation as well. The presentation doesn't have to be fancy, it just feels better to know your $800+ knife is secure during transport and not just in a zip lock baggie thrown in a bubble wrap envelope that's getting shipped across the world in some cases. Similar to an Apple product, you will never use the packaging, but they always have great packaging and presentation. Every small detail helps with the Complete experience of getting a new expensive product. Take the $700 Hog House Knives Model-T as an example, it just comes in a nice little wooden box. Nothing fancy, just a plain small wood box with some foam in it, and that little extra step cost the maker maybe $1 extra. So for me the packaging is more about being protected during shipping since I live in Norway, so pretty much all expensive knives are being bought outside the country and I know how the postal/shipping services treat packages. And many retailers just ship in soft plastic envelopes, so I can't rely on what packaging the shop decides to use in shipping.

[@lukepaulson3428]

Gushing over “fancy” packaging is equally as annoying as complaining about “simple” packaging. Thanks MC!

[@ramzcoldlampin5460]

I appreciate nice packaging, and am more apt to keep it if it is nice, but it’s certainly not what I’m after. Typically it receives a “ohh fancy…” from me, before I set it aside in a closet. Never to gaze upon its visage until it’s time to move. It’s mainly my ocd that keeps me from getting rid of them. I have no valid excuse. 😂

[@michaelmechex]

Noted, if I ever begin making high end custom knives I'll just ship them in a sock I wore in the shop on the day I finished the knife

[@robertdoverspike474]

Hi, MC...you make a good point, and I can certainly see your point of view. However, as a former retail jeweler, I can tell you that presentation absolutely matters. The guy who lives on ramen noodles and PB&J for six months so he can scrape up $499.95 for an engagement ring for the love of his life wants to feel as good about his purchase as the High Roller who doesn't even blink at the $10K price tag for his. That means both rings need to be delivered in a box that looks and feels expensive. Yes, both women (if they say "YES!") will put the ring on their finger and the presentation box in a drawer. Knife companies have no way to know if the piece they just sold is going to an end user or if it is going to be a gift. I just took delivery of a Civivi Mini Praxis, a very respectable knife for a measly $29.75. It came in the typical Civivi package: a clean, crisp white sealed box with a nice pouch inside. I even got the typical Civivi stickers and branded microfiber cloth just as if I had spent more than a hundred bucks for one of their products. I felt good opening it. I also feel good knowing that if I gift a Mini Praxis this Christmas to someone who is not really a knife person, they will hopefully feel special receiving it in all its packaging. Yeah, I tossed my clean, crisp white box in the recycling bin and put the never-to-be-used pouch in a drawer. But those things served their intended purpose, and that pretty much needs to happen no matter what. The custom knife maker who delivers his expensive piece of work in a Ziplock baggie ought feel more proud of his work than that. Just my two cents. Keep up the good work. I really enjoy your content!

[@stevetqp9152]

MC, you've stated this better (and more emphatically) than I could have ever done! I agree completely, though in general, I don't put much thought into the packaging, what I vehemently DON'T like, is the "blister pack" packaging that some knives (and lots of other stuff) comes in! I find that I need an Obsidian-sharp, .25" thick, robust/stout frame/Axis/Atlas/XR/compression locked, Rockwell Hardness 80 knife just to get INTO those darn things! The plastic ziplocked baggie is much preferred!

[@keithlapidus6776]

Wow, I think it’s a sickness related to hoarding. I say this because my son is a hoarder and I think maybe I am. I have a closet and attic filled with boxes/packaging. Only recently I’ve started eliminating and it is so freeing to get rid of them. Still difficult but there you go.

[@Mainrollman]

Brad said it best….“What’s in the box??? What’s in the box??!!” 😂 Great argument, what is in the box is far more important than the box.

[@BennyBladez-]

😂 I don’t EDC the pouch! Great response! Much love MC ☮️ positivety prosperity and progression

[@LINVINGSTEEL]

The packaging is there to protect items for shipping to customers, period. It adds nothing to the quality of knives. In fact, most hand forged knives come in padded material or bubble wrap. Once you get the knife and decide to keep it, you throw the box away.

[@bloozepicker]

I agree, I have a closet full of knife boxes. On a related note, I recently picked up a We Knives Reiver and the packing was beautiful.

[@creedhatch668]

I completely agree. I think I’d prefer no box every time. I’m not gonna use the pouch and I only have so much storage space

[@mitchellerickson9836]

I swear civivi knives would be 10% cheaper without all that packaging lol

[@Cid_1]

MC if you bought a nice new knife with mokuTi or Timascus scales, and it arrived in a zip lock baggie all scratched up due to how transport companies treat packages. Wouldn't you be more than a little bummed out?

[@OreoDave]

Boxes are transport vehicles, then go to the recycling bin. They're used as a bargaining chip on the secondary market, because toys in their original packaging fetch so much more money. But toys in original packaging show that they were never played with. Boxes provide no evidence of carry or cutting use. They're pointless in the knife world.

[@justinrowan4069]

I don't care about the boxes once I receive the knife, but nice, sturdy boxes help protect the knife during shipment. This is especially important for import knives which may see dubious handling during the long journey from manufacturer to consumer. I think you glossed over this point during your 26 minute energy drink rant! 😀 I think there needs to be a happy medium between Hinderer throwing his knives in ziplock bags and Herman putting them in custom fit wooden crates.

[@Idaho_Knife_Climb]

I think you should watch how thrilled you were reviewing a 52100 manix 2 on a loaner to really see how far you’ve come.

[@DanielSilva-uj5pq]

I actually dislike having a lot of high quality packaging for a new knife. I will either carry said knife in my pocket or place it in a knife roll or case. The fancy boxes and pouches they come in are wasted. And I don’t have the room to keep them all.

[@bennettaukerman6802]

Separated from my baby mama almost as soon as our twins were born because I live by this exact same sentiment. Once you get the goods, throw away the box. 😎

[@paradoxworkshop4659]

Cold Steel packaging is designed to survive the entire container load falling off the ship, and a box washing up on shore with a greasy knife floating in bubble wrap. Storage of stock supplied to retailers, vs a thing sent TO YOU from the hands that made it. My stuff is often sent to customers wrapped in an oiled blue shop towel in a Priority Mail™ envelope... Proud and cons, my friend...

[@markp4401]

Hey MC do you have a Strider .75 AR? I’m disappointed with how tight mine is. It has really high lock bar tension and I can’t finger flick it. Will it break in? What’s been your experience?

[@edwardk6764]

I actually like extra hardware (screws, clips, and whatnot) with a knife pouch to be included, just so you know where to find the extra hardware.

[@natehoover5266]

The only reason for packaging for me is when/if I resell the knife. People like to have everything that comes with the knife and that's the only reason I keep them. Some of the hard case packaging is cool though.

[@anthonykitchen6533]

Psychologically the box provides a sense of “taken care of” or something. That’s why we all keep our boxes other wise they are bs. IMHO.

[@transparentknives]

Packaging costs money, nothing is free. My thought process is that since I don't want to pay for packaging or keep packaging for resale purposes, why should I make other people deal with that as well. When I get a nice box I'm not going to use I just think "how much of the price of the knife was this stupid box"

[@heavyweightsound]

25 years ago I started a collection of slip joints and I kept every single box. We're talking about hundreds and hundreds of knives. Only reason I kept the boxes was for resale. So glad I did. Just got finished selling them off. Now I have money to buy Modern knives yay!

[@anthonyberardi8904]

I don’t care much what kind of packaging the knife comes in, the big reason I keep all the boxes is in case I sell them. I’ve seen enough Pawn Stars episodes to know that the box can be VERY important when it comes to collectables resale value. If I had more money, and never planned on selling anything I would absolutely buy a nice Pelican case like you have MC, but for now, the boxes do help keep everything in good condition.

[@s30vguy8]

The funny thing is the clone of the demko 20.5 comes in the demko pouch and box and the knife actually looks better than the original with the big pivot and G10 scales,all for $26.

[@scottsierra_bound3162]

I’m just happy scott the hardware store doesn’t have to send packaging anymore 😂

[@mitch_edc]

Great topic. I came in ready to argue 😂! But by the halfway point I was convinced of your argument 🤦‍♂️. I will admit I will continue to keep the box for knives I may sell on the secondary just in case. But will give up complaining about it 😂

[@norsefalconer]

Exactly. Means nothing and is wasteful. Eliminate the added expense, cut the price, put it into the knife, or raise the worker wages.

[@w.h.p.3430]

Ahh crap…I’ve been keeping the boxes and tossing out the knives😮

[@Lack_of_response]

Do the “for that much money it should come in nicer packaging” people get mad when a less expensive production knife comes in a mini pelican case with cut-out foam and a bunchof stickers? Or is that where the expectation comes from?

[@BGLK]

This topic left me strangely ambivalent. On the one hand, I have some wonderful boxes that my Sonos speakers came in that I’m having trouble throwing away. They just seem too nice to part with. I am now so inured to Apple packaging that when I buy a new iPhone, I can throw that in the garbage with far less reluctance. On the other hand, I haven’t been able to stop myself comparing something cheap, like Civivi, to Zero Tolerance. I don’t have a huge knife collection right now, so I appreciate the pouches that come with some of these budget offerings. I also purchased some knife pouches to house some of the knives that didn’t come with them. Ultimately, my only ask is that however the knife comes, I want it to be protected in transit, and if possible, it has something to store it in. At some point I’ll have a large enough collection where I will have a unified storage solution, and at that point I suspect I will then become of the same mind as you MC, and just not care. Ultimately, I think there is an element of familiarity and quantity impacting the feelings. If I had 20 or 30 knives moving through the home in each month, I’d be pretty unenthused on how it came, so long as it arrived intact during shipping.

[@hafertr1235]

For me it's a satisfaction thing of opening for example a Hinderer and slowly opening that white cardboard box and seeing all the packing peanuts and the little signed card. It just makes me a little more excited, it doesn't need to be a fancy gold plated box but just a simple cardboard box and im happy.

[@dualsportoutdoors]

Well said. My full size Spartan Harsey came in just a cardboard box that has Spartan’s logo with a plastic slip over it instead of some fancy magnetic box with a foam insert to present the knife but I don’t give a damn because it’s an amazing knife and there’s the fact that I beat the hell out of my knives. Hell, my Diablo prototype showed up wrapped in newspaper inside a USPS flat rate envelope. I have a $1,600 custom folder being made right now and as long as the knife shows up in good condition I don’t care if it shows up wrapped in cotton balls and duct tape

[@chrismcnair8691]

I love my boxes. You sound like my wife lol! I toss out the knives and line up those boxes on my dresser top just so I can remember the joy of hitting the buy button.

[@brassknuckles4524]

If u got a Hinderer or a CRK off the secondary market and it was shipped without the box would u be upset?

[@happiknife7716]

100% agree dude. I'd rather have an awesome knife with no box than an amazing box with a garbage knife. ✌️

[@abuslume4169]

Like you said, the only reason I save the boxes is for the secondary market.

[@TheWoolyninja4]

Packaging is an issue where generally I do not care but if the knife cost more than 300 it should come with a CoA.

[@kevinfitz3721]

Good video!! And what is the top middle knife? If you don't mind I don't think I have seen that one

[@bigdog1106]

Boxes matter when it comes to collector of toys...

[@asn101]

I’d take a Hinderer wrapped in an oily paper towel in a Frozen-themed Ziplock sandwich bag if that’s what he decided was good to go…

[@fopdoodle777]

As a graphic designer and a lover of nice packaging I have to disagree. Personally i get the same kick out of nice packaging as i do from a nice knife.

[@bydbuy1606]

Packaging obsession is the decline of our civilization and an insult to the knife maker. We are valuing 5 seconds of entertainment (the opening experience) over a lifetime of utility (actually using the knife). It is self indulgent, wasteful and environmentally unfriendly because (as long as the knife arrives undamaged) it’s purpose is to make the buyer “feel good.” Not from the makers effort in designing and crafting the knife, but in their decision purchase certain cardboard Packaging, not made in USA. Pretty soon we will be complaining about the unboxing experience when purchasing cars, trucks, houses and puppies. We demand that we be delighted.

[@joshuwahberg4178]

I wish they all came in a small plastic bag. Then I wouldn't feel compelled to save the boxes. They take up too much room, but I feel like I shouldn't throw away the box because it devalues the knife.

[@metallyillmark]

But dude, I edc everything! You don’t put the knife back in the bubble wrap, and put the paperwork back in the box with the knife, and carry that in your front pocket. I love having to unpack my knife every time I want to use it at work!

[@michaelstinson8047]

I agree about the certificate of authenticity argument when you're paying that much for a knife when there are people that do regrinds that don't have maker marks and you think it is something special

[@0zmose]

The only knife I've ever griped about the packaging is my Deadlock Model C. Not because I care about the box, but because it was $1,500 worth of aluminum, and I don't trust the shipping companies not to beat the ever living shit out of it.

[@chrispotter2948]

Pocket, nightstand, desk drawer, enough for me. I don't store my knife in its packaging. Give me the Strider zip lock and knock a few bucks off, I'm good.

[@LOKObw]

Dude! 10/10 Hank Hill impression 😂. "With that much money I could buy a gun"

[@nicksnax850]

Love this👍😂the packaging is the last thing I care about, except for resale purposes, which is very annoying honestly, now I have totes that are huge and full of boxes, taking up far too much space compared to where the knives are kept lol

[@aerosaaber]

I prefer to pay more for packaging I'll never use (unless I sell it). No I don't that's dumb. BUT it is a nice touch when something you buy comes with a nice package (that's what she said) Like some of the fitted boxes (not just a foam cut out) are super cool (like the herman box)

[@staradder218]

Tbh, I really don't care for the packages that come with knives, expensive or not. They either sit in my shed forever or my cat tears them asunder.

[@DefMunkyYT]

I've only ever really cared about the finish and build quality of the knives, with the expectations being directly proportional of price... as long as it isn't scratched or messed up physically/cosmetically/whatever I couldn't care less about how it's packaged. lol I honestly really love the zipper pouches a lot of brands like Hogue is using. It protects the knife, can be used for storage, and doesn't take up a crap ton of room and can be squished with no damage if they're just crammed into a drawer or something for later use. These boxes that take up multiples of square inches more space than the actual knife can just go away as far as I'm concerned. lol I will definitely agree a COA would be pretty cool though, especially with an expensive knife. Not a make or break thing, just something neat.

[@XGurro]

Great episode but sorry you didnt get my full attention. I basically stared at the center left knife (Oil Slick?) for 25 minutes.

[@MrASM78]

It’s no more irrational than about a hundred other things we obsess about as knife nuts. Boxes aren’t something that cross my mind when buying a knife, but I get why it may be important to some people.

[@gregwillis7767]

That orange monster drink looks like a gas station drink. Or my favorite: You'd think AN AMERICAN could drink a damn CUP of COFFEE!!!

[@eddcurry1245]

It’s all about what’s in the package not the package itself.

[@zarasdad100]

I like getting the box and it definitely adds to the whole buying experience. I care about the packaging and so do you. I’ve literally watched you unbox new knives and go on about how nice the packaging was. You’re just trying to justify why your Strider came in a sandwich baggie, we all know that deep down you wished it came in a nice box and pouch. Hey you said to comment so there you go. Algorithm boosted 👊🏼

[@rickyhurtt5568]

If you're spending a small fortune on a knife it shouldn't hurt spend a little on something to keep it in.

[@clintcrosby6337]

I totally agree with you. Boxes just take up space. The demko ad20.5 grivory scale knife with d2 steel was so much packaging. But the titanium with a cheap plastic sleeve. Wish they had spent the money on better scales. Awsome topic MC. Thanks

[@douglasfromalberta2456]

The boxes that come with all my knives go right in the trash can, and the pouches and zippered cases go in the bottom drawer of the tool chest I use to house my collection. Those pouches will never hold a knife again lol. I do use them to hold spare parts and screws but that’s it.

[@landontreinen3062]

I don’t have enough room in my dresser drawers for knives. They’re completely full of knife boxes.

[@Ryan_the_tinz]

Ironically, the only real reason the founder of The James Brand gave for their inflated pricing on the BladeHQ interview was how nice thier packaging is. So hilariously dumb.

[@MayhemMechanic]

I pretty much remember what all the boxes/pouches are that all my knives came in........but I dont want to remember and I hate that I keep them

[@alvinharp3437]

I hate the boxes for the exact reasons you brought up. If you ever decide to sell your knive, not having the box, paperwork inside said box and if included the COA. What a pain in the ass. I've got way over 100 boxes that I must save and keep in pristine condition. I love that my Striders don't have stuff I need to save. I have a $5000 Strider XL Custom that came in a plastic bag. I'm savings the bag, lol, because it has a label.

[@jamieluvsknives3912]

I'll admit I've complained about spending 1300 on a shirogorov and it came in a flimsy box but your right it makes no difference

[@bobster_lobster6479]

Ahhhh idk... I really like nice packaging. Couldn't say why.. I buy the knife for the knife but I at least like it when it comes with its own pouch like WE does. P.S. I didn't realize how much your hands move when you doing your videos. That polished DLC revealed so much lol.

[@Southernknife_addict]

My strider .75 at came absolutely beat up because strider is too cool for boxes. That’s a very valid complaint on a 600 dollar knife imo lol

[@thomaslake7200]

Ngl I do like Benchmade pouches and good taco cases - the boxes not so much. I carry an extra knife, SAK, and flashlight in my sling bag, and have gone out of my way to get an extra Curtiss taco pouch to carry this extra stuff in. I really like extra hardware and tools though if the screws are not standard torques bits. In the car, I have a Benchmade Contego and emergency flashlight that are both in a Benchmade pouch in the glove compartment. The boxes are not very environmentally friendly though. Some designers, like Jens Anso, ship with cool hand embroidered and sewn felt pouches, which is nice.

[@PeterC585]

TRUTH! I DON'T GIVE A 💩! about the packaging! Thank you for this video!

[@slo_carry]

I feel like KZbin unboxings have made everyone care so much about a stupid box. I listed a very gently used Microtech LUDT (cut some tape and a zip tie, still shave sharp) for $180 with no box. A guy offered me $120 for it because it didn't have the box... like $100 off already wasn't enough. I can't express how ticked I was. I have boxes of knife boxes taking up so much space simply because of the secondary market. I'd prefer just a plain cardboard box and shredded paper so I can drop it all off in recycling after I open my knife.

[@paulmills426]

I keep all my knife box's in a big somewhat shallow box. LOL. It's getting full though, but seriously if you ever plan on selling some of your knives people will pay more if they have the box and paperwork and whatever else the knives come with. At least I would.

[@HighCRI]

Complaining about the box seems like the most pretensious thing ever. Whenever I get a knife where the box is a fancy presentation, all I can think is they could’ve just kept all that and knocked $5 off the price.

[@GLOCKsh00ter24]

I appreciate nice packaging, but its certainly not a deal breaker. Hell, the nicest packaging I've seen came with the original AD 20.5. That thing came with a really nice box and the nicest pouch I've ever seen come with any knife. Probably why the thing was so over priced 🤣. I think for some the packaging reflects on what the maker/manufacturer thinks of their own work. As in, "I made something really nice, so it should be presented in a way that reflects it's quality." That being said, all the boxes and pouches still end up in my box of boxes. Only to ever be dug up when I'm selling/trading or sending a knife to MC.

[@GearedTowardGear1]

I want the original packaging. If the original packaging is NO packaging… no problem.

[@townes_]

The MKM pouches with belt loops COULD be used for something. I prefer not to receive them. I'll take a plan brown box from Giantmouse with just the knife inside anyday

[@chrisspanks7750]

Packaging means absolutely nothing to me...STRAIGHT TO THE TRASH.

[@LOKObw]

Honestly it kinda makes me feel better about the authenticity of the knife. If enough effort is put into the packaging. What are the chances some Chinese clone makers are going to perfectly recreate both the knife and the packaging, and the COA. Personally after I have the knife, I don't care anymore and it can go in the garbage. But it does make me feel better having the box and everything that goes with it.

[@hinklehymer6893]

I find it hilarious how passionate you are about packaging 😂.

[@JackShen]

I never cared about the box, I don't want the cost of my knife to go up because of the box. Knives are meant to be used, like I do care about a nice sheath if it's a fixed blade.

[@stevemastbaum]

1:11 I’ll call out knife center for not offering a box, zipper pouch and a Velcro shark lock patch. Instead they put my ad 20.5 knife center exclusive in a cheap frosted clear plastic tooling box 3:57 !!

[@mnelson0533]

I agree that a long as it does the job that's all it needs to do. I do however also think if you do something interesting and worthwhile with it like that wooden box or what Ben Belkin does with the Jack Wolf knives with the integrating the thematic custom artwork and modern traditional aspect of the tube into what he has been calling functional art that I can get on board with that.

[@precariouslydaniel]

For me the issue is striders have notoriously poor fit and finish when compared to other high end American makers, are outrageously priced compared to other high end American makers AND don't come with anything resembling decent packaging.

[@BladeLabMiami]

Totally agree. Do . Not . Care about packaging. OTOH, I do appreciate it when extra hardware is provided.

[@ncgearguy05]

I like when they don’t come with a box bc I too feel obligated to keep and they take up so much space. Ironically enough about Strider you will get more money if you keep the oem tactical bubble wrap and baggy 😅

[@metallyillmark]

A man should only care about one box in his life, and not the one that comes with his knife! Folks will find anything to complain about when they feel like they are spending money on things they don’t want to.