Ep. 282- Pain Don't Hurt Much (Pain Science Revisited)

[@LiamHdProductions]

We need a bad shoulder pain narratives round table 😂 excellent episode, trex and omar

[@magnus3788]

Is it just me or should 3DMJ have its own cartoon sitcom featuring: Alberto (the chill dude), Eric (the geek), Brad (the goodhearted christian), Jeff (the godfather), Andrea (the sensible one), Brian (the new Coach) + the rest of the crew. Also featuring their neighbors like Omar Isuf (the no calf guy), Eric Trexler (the zen monk that everyone is jealous of because they know he's better than them), Mike Israetel, his biological son Jared Feather and their "Roid Pack", Alan Thrall (long bearded wizard) and many more.

[@cole_p_warren]

I can only hope AI will make this happen in the next decade

[@cole_p_warren]

Milo (has a rare condition that he can never contract a muscle more than 50% ROM), Kryiakos (God) and his Herculean son Pak, Dave Maconi (The town dentist)....

[@tc-3]

For everyone interested in the topic, I would suggest listening to the In Our Time Podcast episode titled "Pain", which aired on 22nd of July 1999. It further goes to show that some of the ideas presented are not so novel, indeed.

[@bigpicturegains]

I really like and relate with the idea that pain can get worse if discontinuing activity. Keeping the areas causing pain moving & strong seems to help alleviate the pain. Being a bit more judicious and smart about movements chosen is also important. Do agree that pain should be respected, just to not let it rule us.

[@storiedstrength]

100 minutes on pain? The Iron Cult must be a front for the Church of the Shrike

[@kaga13]

Someone read Hyperion!

[@lindsaytoussaint]

“Pain don’t hurt much” is an epic line and now I have to go dig up that movie 😅 Usually listen on Spotify but had to come drop some appreciation for this one (experience of pain psychologically and socially, anecdotes, updated models/definition of pain, confronting pain experiences instead of avoiding for recovery, etc). PS, wow #Flexler’s beard game is strong!

[@elsandro2702]

We love you bros ❤

[@d3rpn1nj47]

You should do a pain science roundtable with some guest researchers who usually dont podcast

[@chap23305]

How does KZbin give me better information than my classes that allegedly give me a degree in this stuff.....

[@csmcrckrs]

Would be great to hear an informed opinion on Alan Gordon's theory ("The Way Out") that most chronic pain is neuroplastic and can be cured by teaching your brain that it is malfunctioning/overreacting and that there's nothing to fear (I'm oversimplifying). I guess a lot of lifters have to deal with some amount of chronic pain, so its application would be highly relevant!

[@elfoulks]

It was Greg Nuckols that you couldn't remember 😭😭

[@spodergibbs5088]

Are they still friends? What happened to that podcast ?

[@TheGreektrojan]

@@spodergibbs5088 Podcast is still around. Trexler left for Duke but no actual reason was given. Still radio silence so there maybe business disagreements were involved and we still have some NDAs. Maybe there is something personal but from purely an outside perspective, its hard to see those two people disliking each other that avidly that they'd split up over personal stuff.

[@S7320]

All I heard was "Mastodon or Tool."

[@nocifer]

What's the name of the textbook Eric was reading? Sounds like a nice read...

[@MisterHui]

My ears liked this episode butt my head hurt a little by the volatile ideas.

[@Yupppi]

Wow has Trex been kidnapped? They have nice plants to compensate for the lack of prayer bowls. Listening to Trex talk about how much of a "meat head" he was when he was young - a real young athlete just crushing the body to do sports - you'd never guess it's the same guy with PhD and in general being really smart today. He's better than some fictional characters, as life sometimes is. Personally starting to learn what "old people" mean when they talk about always being at some level of pain as athlete. As a ~20 year old I had some bruised toes and bloody knuckles for not learning to relax in judo, now at 33 I have had almost a year of stabbing pain in one ankle when going to too much dorsiflexion and doing all kinds of physio and stuff without it going away, had a total break and also trained like normal so it's just there to be now. I feel very lucky because I still have about the same or more dorsiflexion in that bad ankle than many others, so I can still deep squat and all, compared to restrictive injuries. I started wondering, when we say the source of pain is idiopathic and we don't find any tissue damage, is it a case of we know for certain there isn't tissue damage, or that our ways of investigating the body are not good enough to find the tissue damage if it's there? I was thinking about the ways to investigate body fat % and how doctors talk about diagnosing problems inside the body, and it seems sometimes like it's a miracle that we can conclude any information at all about what's happening inside the body. Exaggerating the thought, but there's a lot of gained knowledge and concluding from the limited ways we have (usually we don't want to have an invasive search, and even then we just have our eyes and fingers to analyse layers and layers of fine tissue) to get information about what's going on inside the body. A very little of it to my understanding is looking at it and rationalising it, instead of complicated paths to find out connections between what we see and what it is that we see (and what it means). Another, different type of example would be scanning the body in whatever the preferred method and finding all those odd lumps and having to monitor them from that day onwards in case they are a problem, lumps that you'd have never known about because they are just random things everyone's body has (particularly referring to medical doctor Mike on youtube giving his answer to why we can't full body scan people just in case). To summarize the previous: in idiopathic pain cases can we conclude there's no tissue damage or do we conclude that we can't find any tissue damage (if it exists, which is of course a possibility). And what's the consensus on no damaged tissue, but the system behaving wrong? Like let's say the tissue isn't damaged but is not doing its job the right way (although I struggle to come up with examples where there was no previous damage like abdominal surgery complication with nicked bowel attaching somewhere it shouldn't or tissue rubbing on joint etc, but maybe there is - other than cancer). I actually want to extend that with anecdotal case about weak left hand grip, pain in the wrist and such. Physiotherapist tested the left hand had stronger grip. Until he adjusted the test and then in the therapy exercise it was obvious, the right thumb could hold and exercise band against the floor indefinitely, the left slipped in mere seconds. Even eeking the symptoms out is sometimes a huge challenge.

[@spodergibbs5088]

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