Ep189: LDS Church Wins Suit to Build Cody Wyoming Temple

[@China-Clay]

Thank you Kolby, Landon, and Rebecca. I’m so glad that there is a sort of temple watchdog group going on now

[@marieb1422]

I hope planning and zoning boards across the nation are sitting up, taking notice, and tightening up their guidelines NOW.

[@iamjustonemom1950]

And citizens knowing what the candidates religions are and to whom is their allegiance is pledged.

[@sheliabryant3997]

@marieb. and @Iamjustonemom: X 186,000 🌺🌺🌺

[@sheliabryant3997]

​@@iamjustonemom1950 X 186,000!

[@LifeAfterBelief]

Give us more Kolby!! Love that guy!

[@reddish22]

Thank you!

[@codyironworks307]

I was there at every meeting and the p and z board were all confused, every body watching was confused and the city lawyer couldn't figure it out or was conspiring with Stowell and the Mormons

[@codyironworks307]

I've always believed that Mormons were scary and sucked and all this just fortified my belief

[@cocadean]

you’re confused.

[@DeanneSanchez]

Thank you , and I hope more places will be better prepared to deal with these matters 😊

[@codyironworks307]

I'm grateful for all the work you have done in this, I'm not politically correct and my opinion is not shared by many in Cody it's my contention that buffalo bill gave prophet woodruff a quarter of a million acres in 1901 to do with what they wanted so the temple should go in bighorn county

[@cocadean]

segregation right? i don’t know you but i hope i don’t do business with you. you’re right, cody doesn’t agree with you. go south.

[@suedemers8631]

That’s me! I just retired from the Federal Govt., but I only moved from CA to CO, but then again I’m a never Mormon.

[@paulmartinezsd]

Awesome episode! Keep them coming! Can't get enough of these.

[@Moksha-Raver]

Little towns should assume it is either a Soylent Green factory or a Mormon Temple.

[@sheliabryant3997]

@Moksha-Raver. No either/or about it. That temple is that factory.

[@badasspeacemaker]

Thanks so much Kolby for making this easier to understand.

[@marieb1422]

To me, the hope that the church would change its plans for any of the other items the residents are concerned about (such as lighting) in an effort to be a good neighbor is a pipe dream. The church doesn't know what the definition of a good neighbor is.

[@jerrygrover8992]

Here is what the City of Cody Personnel Policy says: Central to the standard of ethical conduct is the City’s policy that no employee shall have any interest, financial or otherwise, direct or indirect, or engage in any business transaction, or professional activity or incur any obligation of any nature which is in conflict with the discharge of the person’s duties in the public interest. So if there is some sort of conflict of interest with the planning staff, the City through its City Manager could have taken some personnel action if this was in fact violated. So far it appears they haven't determined that there was a conflict of interest (although personnel disciplinary actions are proprietary and not public information generally)

[@mormonishpodcast1036]

The city said that it wasn’t a conflict unless it was financial. Non-member city officials have no idea that their temple recommend holding members have sworn an oath in the temple to give everything they have up to their own life to the building up of the church on earth. I think it would be fair to say that an oath such as this meets the cities requirements and both the city planner and the LDS board member should have recused themselves. I think the city planner resigned because he was feeling the pressure.

[@marlenedaltonadams3278]

@@mormonishpodcast1036 Thank you

[@codyironworks307]

@@jerrygrover8992 the city manager looks and acts like he's on the verge of going to the nursing home, and clearly has no knowledge of the nefarious nature of the city planner, city attorney or the LDS church

[@kerryholyoak5720]

Great job and thank you for the explanation of the appellate process in this matter.

[@cocadean]

how about whatever creepy oath evangs and exmos make to protest everything this church does? there were people religiously against it on the board. why can’t interested people also be represented?

[@nancyevans3590]

A couple of thoughts. From listening to Matt Harris's interview on Mormon stories, sending people on remote missions who served the church but were getting negative publicity for it is in their play book as well. I sure hope this is not a “ beware of what you wish for “ moment for the Cody LDS members. Judging from the recent consolidation of 4 Stakes to 3, it seems active membership is significantly shrinking. It’s well known that temples require a lot of volunteer labor, in the form of ordinance workers but now they have started requiring members to clean the inside and do landscape maintenance for free as well. This blessing could easily become a burden. And maybe a curse.

[@MomtoAutism]

I would not want to be quilted into Temple service

[@mikeboyd3225]

Wonderful news. The Temple will be a great addition to the town of Cody Wyoming. God Bless the LDS Church.

[@codyironworks307]

The city attorney contracts with several municipality s and schools in bighorn county all of which are controlled by members of the LDS church

[@marieb1422]

@codyironworks307...I'm so sorry about what's happening to your city and the seemingly corrupt individuals holding those types of positions.

[@annwood6812]

Where I was growing up, not a Mormon state, the entire school board was occupied by members of the church. Non members had no clue the connection.

[@codyironworks307]

He doesn't even reside in Cody he lives in Powell down the road 25 miles

[@codyironworks307]

Oh and Stowells house miraculously got payed off before he keft

[@China-Clay]

No freaking way

[@iamjustonemom1950]

OMG

[@Gideonslc]

The strategy of shell LLC's and prosperity Gospel advancement is real... look at RFM's affinity fraud recent episodes. There are examples back to the early 1900's where the best legal protection was to send a man on a Mission or make them a Mission President. It's an easy spin to announce through Church newsroom now, if they need to, that a fine upstanding Mission President is being called home to face spurious & defaming charges and control the Narrative.... The ballad of the Ballard's & SEC filings are great examples. The devout refuse to question the Authenticity of Church news announcements. Whether it's the Church, The Newsroom, or Jesus, it's all the same. The leaders don't lie because Jesus won't allow them to while serving in General Authority callings.

[@PrIsMaTiSmX]

oh no, heaven forbid someone pays off their house and retires....

[@codyironworks307]

Pretty hard to serve him if he's in Africa

[@codyironworks307]

Todd Stowell quit in April and is currently in Africa in a mission

[@iamjustonemom1950]

When his “mission/escape” is finished, the church will help him be placed in another city that the church wants to manipulate.

[@MomtoAutism]

You are dedicated to covering this issue and its appreciated.

[@sheliabryant3997]

"TEMPLE VIRGINS." 🥳 It's a phrase NOW! Listened to your first cast on Cody temple, complete with the AI cabin-temple architecture. As astonishing today as it was that night. Except that now the whole world knows not to be jaw-dropped by the cunning, conniving despotism of the corporation of the "church". Yet, we still are. 😶 And if WE are exhausted by the swirly-dirvish antics, YOU ARE STILL STANDING for the "right" and and calling out the dastardly. THANK YOU.

[@janaunvoyles4293]

I was at 2 meetings. ALL their questions were answered! The 1st meeting lasted over 5 hours. The board had lots and lots of questions and lots of discussion, there was NO confusion at the end of that meeting. One thing you neglected to say is T. Stoell explained that the steeple was within the proper parameters of law and that these stipulations were fashioned after many Wyo. towns and the P&Z passed the zoning plan long before the temple was in the works. Steeples were just fine until a temple became involved.

[@codyironworks307]

@@janaunvoyles4293 that is B.S. If they thought it was passed in the first meeting why would they have 3 more meetings

[@marieb1422]

I know that missionaries pay for their own missions, but I HIGHLY doubt that the Stowells are paying for their mission. Either the church is paying for it, or more likely, the same member who donated the temple site land and is storing the temple building parts on his property is paying for the Stowells' mission.

[@Avenger24601]

To leave on a two year mission is to focus LESS on your family, not MORE.

[@susanmaughan968]

Love watching you guys on the big tv screen

[@genoboynton]

Mr. Nielson is a shrewd businessman. If the temple had been in the planning stages, when all of the land on which those beautiful, expensive homes were built, no one would have built on that land.

[@codyironworks307]

That stupid city attorney is still employed with the city as far as I know

[@susiekathryn8570]

So much for being honest with your fellow men……

[@scotttobler6815]

No wonder they called the city planner on a mission.

[@sheliabryant3997]

Boy, this is SOO hard to swallow, even if we had to "know" it really was inevitable. AMBUSH seems to be the mormon modus operandi in every area of conduct.😶

[@alamoclayton0306]

The LDS Church will build in residential areas as often as they can. Their logic is the SLC downtown went south with age and a changing economy. They didn't like going to work in an area that was no longer as valuable. Their glorious temple was being surrounded by a declining business location. They spent church funds to make a mall and they never want to go through such a trial again. Invest in another town? Their money to help another community to prosper? Never!!!

[@ericbyers235]

How embarrassing. I’m sure this will do wonders for the image of the church. Bullies with endless piles of money.

[@Moksha-Raver]

The Church could really show those Codyites by building a 1000 ft. extra righteous spire!!!

[@xenuburger7924]

The spire is the erect, righteous symbol of the holy priesthood. Cody will be receiving a big manly one

[@MillaJ100]

I’d like to hear more about how many LDS members can even use the temples- is it true that less than 20% of LDS members have temple recommends?

[@KolbyReddish]

The number I heard from an employee of LDS Family Services about 15 years ago is that only half of endowed members maintain a current temple recommend. Even then, that would have been a lot less of a percentage of the total membership. However I think it’s important to note this was pre-CES Letter and public interest in Mormonism has increased a lot since (and not in ways that appear favorable to the Church).

[@Geoplanetjane]

Hi Kolby, Rebecca, Landon

[@codyironworks307]

What happened when the lawyer is dumber that the regular people

[@codyironworks307]

Because kolpeci is incompetent and that's being gracious

[@codyironworks307]

10,000 people in cody

[@Geoplanetjane]

This is terrible. Where are all the dude ranch clientele who for so long have spent their summers in and around Cody?

[@quacks2much]

Where is everybody? Their intestinal fortitude is missing. The people of Cody need to have huge pickets against the Mormon church, but it will not happen. When I propose peaceful extrajudicial action, ex-Mormons melt and hide. I have picketed, but I'm usually alone because people are understandably scared or embarrassed.

[@marlenedaltonadams3278]

I would picket.

[@codyironworks307]

@@quacks2much I did picket and protest, but lots of people work for, have businesses, live next to Mormons my best Sunday morning protest was 5 I had lots of support behind the scenes but after the intimidation and threats I got everyone was scared

[@peterrebhahn1113]

At the risk of going all RFM on you, it's 'chAmping' at the bit, not 'chOmping.'

[@rebeccabibliotheca]

Chomping at the bit has been an acceptable variation since the 1930s so almost 90 years. Common usage is chomping, however you can say either.

[@catherinesullivan641]

Bet he gets a paid position on the mission!

[@krisfisher2329]

They suck so hard!

[@susiekathryn8570]

Probably paid off…. IMO.

[@craigdymock2571]

Finally the well thought out decision has been made! Looking forward to seeing the temple built!

[@rebeccabibliotheca]

It was a procedural decision the judge had to make. The influence of an inside man certainly did its job. I feel really sad for the fabric at the community, which is ripped apart. I hope the church might be a bigger person now and make some concessions on lighting or something. This is a sad and cautionary tale that other towns will take note of. Can you imagine as a resident if you found out something was about to be built in your backyard, nine days later your planning and zoning board voted on it with a lot of confusion as to whether it was passed or not, and without you being aware, you only had 10 days to try to launch some kind of complaint. It’s an impossible situation and the church takes advantage of situations like these in small towns all across the nation. Don’t think that people aren’t starting to notice now. Even national news is covering stories about the various towns and the churches actions. This is a stain on the LDS church’s reputation. They have the opportunity to be good neighbors and work with communities. I can’t understand why they won’t. Buildings are more important than people.

[@craigdymock2571]

@@rebeccabibliotheca your opinion would matter a lot more and ALOT MORE water if you weren’t only out to tear down the church and all those who believe in it .

[@cocadean]

so the church won fair and square. is that an outrage?

[@Gideonslc]

I went through a business related lawsuit that attempted to name me personally liable... 1. The estate planning we went through made our home inaccessible to the suit. 2. Our lawyers were quick to request information from us through the discovery process and push the deadline for filing information with the court to the last minute. The lawyers do like to push one another back on their heels. 3. Ultimately, the case was dismissed with prejudice (in my Defendant favor.) 4. I learned something about Plantiff claims in that process as well. Their initial claim is accepted on the belief of truthfulness. Defense proving the claim wrong is the legal process and doesn't rise to the level of perjury. 5. Perjury is knowingly giving false testimony in court to information already in evidence which you've already shown you know the truth concerning. 6. I think the comparisons you've given between Cody Wyoming & Fairview are exactly why the members were quick with their lawsuit intention- notifying within 24 hours the intent to sue. It's far easier to withdraw the suit than to come back after the fact realizing what should have been done. 7. I love the Schrodinger's paradox reference work in, but I think it's less straightforward. The legal process is a chess match of multiple competing paradoxes. Contingent upon one another. Control the center of the board with your Queen and the odds of winning are in your favor. The Church took advantage of a situation that ultimately let them play with two Queens on the board because the final meeting said the Church was getting a knight back... there wasn't a 2nd black Queen available. The system allowed them to identify their Knight as a Queen. Jerk move- but rules allowed.

[@bodytrainer1crane730]

💙💙💙💙💙

[@milesmoore8705]

Wonderful news. The Fairview battle is far from over. Happy for the Cody residence that they finally get a House of the Lord. I am sure you all will appeal, no matter it will be built. Looking forward to the open house. Funny she says be a good neighbor as you all are far from it.

[@Jettyetti]

LDS CHURCH WINS SUIT👏👏👏👏👏👏👏

[@annwood6812]

The church doesn't play fair, which is a major raison d'etre of Christian churches: to teach people how to play fair with each other. I'm sure you'll have many more occasions to celebrate as the church bullies and bribes its way across the land.

[@codyironworks307]

@@Jettyetti yep that's exactly what Jesus would do you hypocrites

[@MatthewWeldon]

"What Todd was doing as far as Manipulating, POSSIBLY! Things behind the scenes" You Folks Really are a Sad Obsessed Bunch!!

[@catherinesullivan641]

And you are naively uninformed

[@rebeccabibliotheca]

We have multiple emails snd texts showing what he did and his involvement. We also found out through the freedom of information act that he secretly recorded his meetings with city officials and his meetings with the LDS church. We don’t mention things lightly on our podcast without a lot of backup information. I suggest you do your own freedom of information act request, and you will be able to see exactly what happened. It’s way more detailed than we shared on the podcast.

[@codyironworks307]

@@MatthewWeldon yep most folks call it a cult