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[@PlayersChoiceShow]

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[@Breakbread1334]

Gifted Marz was a main event at wrestle mania

[@victoralexander3767]

Facts! And these goofies at PC decided to have it at IN YOUR HOUSE. The groups were trash. The seedlings were trash. And the way they flipped the bracket was trash. Either way there was no way Gifted should’ve faced Marz in the 2nd round. L booking

[@l3gendarysage293]

Marz really carrying the panel he’s the only one that won a whole debate in the actual playoffs

[@Q_pskii]

what i’ve gathered from watching these debates is if you argue the favorable topic, you win.

[@MarzTalksSports]

KD favourable against michael jordan? Bill russell favourable against steph curry? Fair enough

[@Q_pskii]

@@MarzTalksSportsdidn’t watch your debate cause i assumed you would win because you’re a better debater than Gifted so this comment isn’t necessarily directed at you

[@MarzTalksSports]

@@Q_pskiioh fair enough,saving yourself time for the inevitable. understandable

[@markobinna824]

@@MarzTalksSportsbill russel vs curry as the goat is favorable for bill russel marz

[@victoralexander3767]

@@MarzTalksSportsyo Marz. I feel like you won the first round overall but kinda lost it 2-1 at the same time lol. I feel like since you went first Gifted was able to successfully get his rebuttals off in the first round but then you rebutdtaled him back only it was in the next round which I guess technically doesn’t count even though it was a reasonable and good rebuttal. Then the same thing happened again. So it seems if you just looked at you guys accumulative arguments then you won but if you judge round for round then he technically won the first two. Does that make sense??

[@Dologaming24]

Marz Is really good and clever. He doesn’t wanna go first on certain topics, but when he has to, knowing you can rebuttal, he poses questions to the opponent that aren’t the direct topic. If you rebuttal with an answer, you aren’t answering the topic question. If you don’t, his rebuttal Is that you couldn’t and here’s why. Marz playing chess against Gifted lol

[@yokoya2335]

Shout out Marz for defeating Gifted in the PCL finals

[@Mtell22]

😂😂😂😂 You're nasty for this

[@datbo1jay1]

Crazy 😂

[@Natax99Final]

Not to be a glazer but, Marz vs Gifted was lowkey the best basketball debate i ever saw on youtube

[@itszaaaamzeh]

Crazy Glaze

[@victoralexander3767]

You should watch Pirate vs Casual too. Too me those are the 4 best debaters in the PCL

[@ChiBullsCentral]

It was great

[@ChiBullsCentral]

@@victoralexander3767agree with you these. Pirate is crazy good

[@Natax99Final]

@@victoralexander3767 yeah pirate vs casual was great too

[@zeezyhuncho]

Shoutout to my FTL bros Haize and Gifted!! Also shoutout to the winners can’t wait to see who finally takes that belt off Ron’s shoulder 🤧🔥

[@MarzTalksSports]

ron probably gonna keep the belt and give us some nonsense instead

[@zeezyhuncho]

@@MarzTalksSportsgive y’all a PC Trophy instead 😂😂

[@MOE__]

God is good as the biggest Dion hater shout out to Haize for cooking that fraud

[@hoodbabylarry1462]

Bro he genuinely was cooking the man in all aspects

[@ChiBullsCentral]

Moe you really despise that man huh lol

[@victoralexander3767]

Ngl my respect for Dion’s ability has grown since he entered the PCL but it was also fun to see him eliminated because his false arrogance was annoying. It was like watching lebron promise 8 rings, or activate playoff mode, or tell us to keep that same energy. 😂😂the look on his face when he realized he got the topic wrong was chef’s kiss.

[@DIONFROMOHIO]

@@victoralexander3767how did I get the topic wrong ? Just because you say you cook somebody doesn’t mean you did. He actually got the topic wrong

[@Mtell22]

Congrats to John 🎉. I'm happy one of us made it to the top 4. Wish we both could've got there, but still exciting none the less

[@MarzTalksSports]

L haize for the stray

[@ChiBullsCentral]

@@MarzTalksSportswait why an L Haize man……

[@MarzTalksSports]

@@ChiBullsCentral cos u sent a stray at my guy mtell

[@Atthebuzzersports]

Yk I’m putting in for the wildcards bro this is both of our win man!!!

[@Mtell22]

@@Atthebuzzersports Yeah 4 sure. I'm rooting for you to win the whole thing

[@redhood629]

Swipa John debate was peak

[@l3gendarysage293]

2023 chill would’ve never lost

[@victoralexander3767]

😂😂

[@toatsmigoats8613]

What the judges actually got it right no bias I agree with ever outcome

[@Fab_rice95]

I started watching PC in July. Damn that Marz guy knows how to debate. Big up from Germany

[@sakhilemalinga177]

Haize destroyed everything moving

[@retrey63]

Marz vs Gifted was good but Marz cleared him in round 2 😭 sneaky question i think gifted didnt really understand the q properly

[@futurekillerful]

The 2nd debate topic for Chill Vs Pirate (Scottie vs Gervin), shows that topic selection matters when the talent levels + performance of the debaters is about the same. There’s just a better case for Gervin being more underrated.

[@D9-do1xw]

Pirate is lethal 🏴‍☠️ Marz vs Pirate finals book it

[@adamjones3491]

The rise and fall of chilltown hoops will make for a great documentary down the line

[@victoralexander3767]

This Chill falling off logic is hilarious. It reminds me of we done with the 90s. Except in Chill’s case the 50s lmao nah but fr tho I don’t think chill fell off at all. I just think maybe yall overrated him or sum before 🤷🏽‍♂️

[@Realestyh1212]

Your some clowns , chill never fell off he was great. Pirates really good , give him credit

[@boubacardiallo5945]

⁠@@victoralexander3767 I agree with this, some people used to think that Chill spoke gospel lol

[@runleft8737]

Haize felt like he was trying to hard.. I enjoyed Dion takes fr

[@ChiBullsCentral]

🤣🤣🤣 yall would confuse passion and attacking points as trying to hard.

[@Dologaming24]

Kidd and Marion are both underrated so that makes a good topic. Gifted almost got that one. However, I think gifted made the wrong argument. Marion Is more underrated by the league In terms of notoriety and accolades, so history Isn’t gonna be kind to him, outside of conversations had by us fans, who Gifted says underrated him. He doesn’t get brought up a lot because he belongs to a niche conversation of good/great defenders of the 2000s. However, that also means that when he Is brought up It’s always because of his defense. He’s more of an underrated player than an underrated defender.

[@AreT-me7vw]

No way chat let haize get away with saying modern PGs model their game after drose. The cult is alive and well lol

[@ChiBullsCentral]

It was the aura

[@AreT-me7vw]

@@ChiBullsCentral I respect it

[@K_Skywalker]

Love PC and the PCL has been delivering. Marz vs Gifted was great hoop talk. Felt like a main event fight. The Dion vs Haize debate was the most entertaining. I had Haize winning topic 1 and 3 but the first topic was close. Dion got off point in the end and that’s why he lost to me. Dion lost round 3 because he turned it into who was better and that wasn’t the topic. Haize cooked all around and had great energy. Dion in the comments has been crazy. He’s is one of those people who can’t accept being told he’s wrong and lives in his own world where he’s always right. Haize lives in reality and humble. Do better Dion Swipa got robbed in the first round. John D didn’t win that topic, he left out the playoffs and his excuse was Luka was injured. Swipa gave better arguments all around. But good luck to John D. It was really close for the last debate round with Chill versus Pirate. Round one was the closest round, but I felt like chill won rounds 2 and 3. But hey pirate did this thing. I hope he beats John D

[@freehomework5535]

marz grilled gifted curry was the worse choice possible

[@taquaywhite4503]

He cooked gifted the second he said that you can’t make a logically consistent list that would put curry at the #1, and then cooked him again when he kept bringing up gifted having to remove everyone in front of curry to make the argument, and then cooked him AGAIN when gifted said pound for pound because then you logically cannot keep shaq on the list because his dominance mainly came from size

[@MarzTalksSports]

@@taquaywhite4503sounds like 3 the hard way

[@ChiBullsCentral]

Great showing from Pirate man....

[@MarzTalksSports]

great showing from you man....

[@ChiBullsCentral]

@@MarzTalksSports Thanks fam. You cooked as always

[@ChiBullsCentral]

@@piratemccall Apprecitae that bro

[@MOE__]

@@ChiBullsCentral Thanks for cooking Dion

[@victoralexander3767]

Ngl now that I watched this again I feel like Dion might’ve won the last two rounds. I think the fact that HAIZE was more entertaining and Dion took such an L towards tge end of the first round it fd up the aura he had going. Plus he comes off as too nonchalant and arrogant. HAIZE is a great talker but I feel like outside the first round his points aren’t as potent as he made them sound. He got an E for energy though.

[@ChiBullsCentral]

In fairness I can see where you are coming from the D.Rose Yao conversation I felt like Dion fell short because he was trying to push how good Yao vs Rose where I stayed I topic with how much time we missed out on with Rose. He didn;t attack my points just made separate ones. He had a lane there he could have gone I was waiting on and surprised he didn't honestly

[@victoralexander3767]

@@ChiBullsCentral nah facts. And also to be fair when I first watched it I thought you just about swept every round simply based off the fact that he didn’t rebuttal you much at all. He talked about how Rose couldn’t shoot but at the same time that helped your argument. Had he not lost his athleticism he may not have needed to learn how to shoot as much. Similar to Russ. You did really good though bro but I suggest that to prepare for Marz once you find out what his topic is YOU have to make his argument and then debunk it just so you’re prepared for what he’s gonna say. Cuz I promise he’s gonna do that to you. Good luck yo.

[@ChiBullsCentral]

@@victoralexander3767 you’re 100%correct. Marz is a different beast entirely. I was able to use the passion to throw Dion off. I can’t do that with Marz it has to be all raw facts. I’m gonna have a rocky montage lol

[@MarzTalksSports]

@@ChiBullsCentrala rocky montage lol

[@sakhilemalinga177]

Marz tried to kill gifted in round 1 but gifted danced

[@DameFreshTV]

pirate cooking chill on the lakers vs warriors topic was fun to see.

[@victoralexander3767]

Pirate cooked Chill on every debate. They were close but the idea that chill Swept Pirate in round 3 is INSANE. It’s literally the other ways around

[@DameFreshTV]

@@victoralexander3767 Lakers vs Warriors was even better, though. That conversation came back up recently on other pods and Pirate put that whole Lakers argument to rest.

[@victoralexander3767]

@@DameFreshTV well honestly I just don’t think Chill argued it as well as others either. Chill be slipping sometimes.

[@DameFreshTV]

@@victoralexander3767 less about chill, more about pirate with the facts and numbers.

[@piratemccall]

​@@DameFreshTVthx bruh 🤙

[@richuk69]

I can't believe Swipa lost 🤦🏽‍♂️ in what world is 2024 Luka better than 2009 Bron he was robbed. Pirate cooked Chill i thought it was a clean sweep ngl Marz and Gifted was a heavyweight battle it could have gone either way The biggest what if for me is Brandon Roy

[@MarzTalksSports]

its not ab who u agree with its ab who makes better points so lebron being better isnt relevant. could have gone either way 😂😂😂😂

[@richuk69]

@@MarzTalksSportsyes it's about who makes the better points. LeBron being better in the playoffs was the differentiator the best ability is availability so if Luka was compromised then he can't be better

[@MarzTalksSports]

@@richuk69 valid

[@futurekillerful]

@@richuk69I think the 3 way scoring point for Luka balanced out the playoff point for LeBron to a degree. With that being said I would have still went swipe that round. But my point is that Swipa wasn’t robbed.

[@richuk69]

@@futurekillerfulif I have you two players and one was slightly better in the regular season but would break down in crunch time i.e. the playoffs but the other player is not only playing elite he elevates in the playoffs who are you picking? Thats why he was robbed

[@ChiBullsCentral]

Feel like I gotta say this. I have zero problems with Dion. It was part of my plan to get a little more animated to throw him off him game and force him to go to using his pre written points. Psychological warfare

[@MarzTalksSports]

nah u hate dion

[@ChiBullsCentral]

@@MarzTalksSports Apparently him and Swipa lol

[@DIONFROMOHIO]

YOU DIDNT THROW ANYONE OFF. I BEAT YOU PRETTY EASY TOO

[@ChiBullsCentral]

@@DIONFROMOHIO lmao. You think typing in caps makes yoir point anymore true. Dion you didn't win it's cool. See you next PCL. Get better learn your poitns don't read off paper. You got potential ✊🏾

[@DIONFROMOHIO]

@@ChiBullsCentral I CAN READ OFF PAPER AND STILL RUN CIRCLES AROUND YOU. I DIDNT LOSE.

[@Knowthenbalikeanybody]

Tickets would’ve ran through the finals if he was here hate it or love it but you gotta admit it

[@nicholasjones8881]

W rage bait

[@MOE__]

@@Knowthenbalikeanybody bro lost to chill town on Christmas remember that ticket is easy work

[@richuk69]

Ticket was a 🤡 he was a horrible debater I'm glad he's not involved

[@richuk69]

@@ishowspeedplug2845 dude he was horrible he used to go on these 40 minute rants where noone else could talk, Ron's just sitting there not stopping him the rest of the panel just looking like they wanted out it was horrible viewing and when he was getting cooked the "you ain't never played ball..." line used to come out

[@Gopi0824]

Marz like 92 Jordan rn

[@taquaywhite4503]

Haize was being disingenuous with that clutch scoring. Ant averaged .4 more points on an extra shot per clutch game, ant was also a - in +/-

[@ChiBullsCentral]

Disingenous he scored 20 more overall clutch points than Book which is exactly what I said and then focused on his clutch defense where is that disingenuous?

[@taquaywhite4503]

@@ChiBullsCentral it’s disingenuous to use totals and no context, which If I was you I’d do the same thing in a debate. Doesn’t change the fact the information was disingenuous to say that ant was just better.

[@ChiBullsCentral]

@@taquaywhite4503I literally said he scored more points in the same amount of clutch games and gave the context that Booker started off 20 points ahead of Ant that’s context fam. Think you need to learn what the word disingenuous means

[@taquaywhite4503]

@@ChiBullsCentral you presented the information in a disingenuous way. You just gave the number, you also didn’t mention the difference in number of clutch games played up until December. You said dbook was 20 points ahead, you didn’t mention he also had played 6 more games up until that point. Or is leaving out that fact also not disingenuous?

[@ChiBullsCentral]

@@taquaywhite4503 no it’s not. As the point still remains they played the same amount of Clutch games and he finished with more points. You think the in a debate where you have 90 seconds to make a point everyone brings up every layer of that? No that’s the point of a debate it’s up to the other person to counter and prepare. So yeah disingenuous is not the word to use there buddy.

[@and.drew.1571]

please put a timestamp

[@Breakbread1334]

Odds to win PCL Marz -10000000

[@itszaaaamzeh]

Dion beat Haize the first two rounds

[@TheSage1123]

Celtics shaq or 2024 chilltown hoops

[@1wakil540]

Wait was chill really boutta cry ??😂😂😂😭😭😭

[@taquaywhite4503]

No way, when????😭😭

[@l3gendarysage293]

I had Dion 2-1 but haize shouldn’t have won that last round I wouldn’t even have been upset if he got round 2

[@ChiBullsCentral]

🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@DIONFROMOHIO]

Facts got robbed

[@akwesirobinson1710]

Doin was 2-1 and chill is 2-1

[@Cole.H21]

Bro was getting away with a lot in that DRose vs Yao Ming debate. He said DRose averaged 9 rebounds and 9 assists in the playoffs even tho he only played in 1 game during that “run.”

[@akwesirobinson1710]

And doin was right even if drose was healthy his career would have been loosing to bron anyway like demare derozen Kyle lowery and Paul George but I see if Yao Ming was healthy they could have won a chip or at least made the finals

[@MarzTalksSports]

🙂

[@itszaaaamzeh]

Jack robbed

[@MarzTalksSports]

@@itszaaaamzehfacts bring back jack

[@xaysco]

Swipa trim😭😭😭😭🤣🤣🤣

[@Dologaming24]

Aight so now that I’m off work I got to watch Chill vs Pirate, and I gotta say yall fronted on Chill. He won the two rounds at minimum . Gervin Isn’t talked about enough, but that doesn’t make him underrated. He’s not over or underrated. The guy that gets talked down on Is more underrated than the guy that doesn’t get talked about enough. To be over or underrated you have to first be rated. Everybody knows Gervin Is one of the most prolific scorers ever. Why yall think Gervin doesn’t get clowned for not winning ring? Cuz he’s well respected and didn’t have a lot of help. So nobody rates him low.

[@RESTOREORDERNEWS]

Pippen is overrated if anything

[@MarzTalksSports]

that doesnt mean chill won just cos u think gervin isnt underrated. who made better points not who do u agree with

[@Dologaming24]

@@MarzTalksSports I think Chill won because he made better, more accurate points. Pirate didn’t make good points for Gervin being underrated Imo. Pirate spent of most his arguments just giving adjectives for how awesome he thought Gervin was, opinions about how good Gervin’s offense looked. Outside of the first round he didn’t give many reasons for why Gervin should be highly rated, nor prove how Gervin Is underrated.

[@Dologaming24]

@@RESTOREORDERNEWS how high Is he rated? And by who?

[@RESTOREORDERNEWS]

@@Dologaming24 he’s touted as the greatest Robin of all time and elevated even higher by Lebron-Stans who gas up Scottie to try and diminish Jordan. Whether you agree with that or not, it is true that these groups of people exist. There is virtually zero discussion about Gervin, hence him being more underrated.

[@sakhilemalinga177]

Marz destroyed gifted in round 2

[@Bigloskitv]

Mars swept it all trippin 😂

[@freehomework5535]

dion on fraud watch btw

[@MOE__]

@@freehomework5535 Dion always been a fraud

[@DIONFROMOHIO]

AYE IF YALL WANT TO GET PERSONAL WE CAN DO THAT. GLOVES OFF.

[@reggietheplague1143]

No need for personal you got cooked , Sautéed , grilled, baked ,fried, proofed, flambéed and char broiled .

[@DIONFROMOHIO]

@@reggietheplague1143 nah not even close. 🤡

[@victoralexander3767]

Lemme get this str8. SWIPA won 5 rounds and John D won 4 and SWIPA lost?? Also how does he lose the Lebron vs Luka argument? I actually thought Luka was better offensively and SWIPA convinced ME of lebron being better! He had better relative statistics. John D fought back saying Luka was a better 3 level scorer and probably a better passer but How does he win while omitting the playoffs?? To me that’s either 2-1 SWIPA or 3-0. On the other hand SWIPA swept the bill russell/tim Duncan round and I thought he could’ve argued him so much better. That was probably 2-1. Last round was probably 2-1 or 3-0 John D but either way overall SWIPA should’ve won.

[@Atthebuzzersports]

Damn swipa got a burner

[@MOE__]

Chill might be washed 😭

[@l3gendarysage293]

@@MOE__ ain’t no might 2024 chill is like Shaq bouncing from team to team just being washed up

[@datbo1jay1]

Current Russ typa washed

[@joey_cash]

I ain’t gonna lie, when folks were saying Chill washed, I thought yall were trolling. But my boy has been cold for a minute 😅

[@cam9489]

Ngl swipa kinda got cooked

[@MoThotti]

I’m only at round 2 of marz and gifted just gotta say marz came on demon time ron it’s yo fault

[@ChiBullsCentral]

Ron put a lot of people on demon time lol. But that’s his job to hype the debate and the debaters.

[@hoodbabylarry1462]

I think swipa should’ve won

[@xMr.Agenda]

Marz Haize Swipa. I swear swipa won that first debate Pirate

[@Neptunevert]

Can anyone explain how Chill lost the 2nd Round?

[@Q_pskii]

nobody talks about Gervin was the only reason the chat voted for him

[@MOE__]

Ask chat they hate chill

[@MarzTalksSports]

Cos the people realised theyre guilty of not speaking on gervin more

[@Neptunevert]

So from the responses I conclude with Chill got Robbed

[@MarzTalksSports]

@@Neptunevert i wouldnt say that. i think he definitely won round 3 and he definitely lost round 1 so it all comes down to how u perceive round 2

[@Dologaming24]

Swipa 2-1 for real