Episode 29 - Andrew Gosden

[@TheMiteful]

"Andrew Gosden is my son... or was my son" :( These people are still hurting. I'll always keep this case in the back of my mind whenever I visit the UK, you never know what you will see. I do believe there's a chance their son is still out there.

[@stellagianni7534]

If a missing person can' t be found for a long time , then the boddy is well hidden.

[@unitedinvasion2374]

@@stellagianni7534 What do you know?

[@ajayjackson7727]

@@stellagianni7534 rubbish

[@bastardmaggot1153]

@@unitedinvasion2374 What ever your sniffing I will have some mate lol

[@SerenDipity64711]

It seems incredible that Andrew's father (in particular) was subjected to such a vile interrogation, when other parents of missing children, have not been. Makes you wonder why not. Thank you for such a brilliant podcast. I haven't heard such an in depth interview with Andrew's father, before. May he find some sort of peace while waiting for news of his beloved boy.

[@MosesDeLaRoses]

I think it's because he's a gentle soul. Gentle souls tend to be easy prey for bullies. I'm actually astonished they never sued South Yorkshire Police

[@maximoo79]

The 2 men arrested initially have now been released without charge. The police detective chief inspector stated he was “confident the men played no part in Andrew’s disappearance”. The case remains cold.

[@melinaesposito3434]

A dead end unfortunately, they had a photos of Andrew on their phone, but these were not new photos and most likely photos available of Andrew on the internet. So many missed opportunities early on in this case. A very lackluster police nvestigation. I think that someone saw Andrew and befriended him that day with nefarious intentions in mind. A very upsetting case and would love answers for his family in their lifetime.

[@DylanMcCleary-zt9im]

This leads me to believe that Andrew wasn't groomed there has never been any online evidence to support the grooming theory this leads me to believe that there has to be an explanation for Andrew's disappearance that doesn't involve grooming

[@nevadatan7323]

​@@DylanMcCleary-zt9imI think so too. There's no real evidence to say he was communicating with somebody online.

[@duncanbailey2581]

Thank you for such an informative and thorough discussion of Andrew's disappearance, so sadly lost now for 10 years. Also for addressing the issue of missing teens and amazing work of the missing people organisation. Andrew's disappearance is truly a heartbreaking and perplexing story, something I have followed for some years and have thought about often. To hear both Kevin and Charlotte speak of their supposition, suffering and attempts to cope in the wake of Andrew's disappearance is so very sad. I hope against hope that Andrew is alive and that one day his family will have an answer as to Andrew's plight.

[@nuckinfuts7610]

I could not have said any of that better myself. My heart aches with sincere and deep empathy for the Gosden family. I too hope that answers will arrive sooner than later. It's time already...Andrew's family deserves some level of peace and closure. I wish them all the very best. 🙏

[@justintai8725]

This is utterly heartbreaking. 💔 The sound of his father's voice is so sad. I hope they find answers 🙏

[@Dr.Gunsmith]

His poor family, you can feel the pain in his fathers heart and in his voice.

[@nevadatan7323]

Quite. He was lucky to have such a nice, secure family for the years they did share together. Much love to em. 💔

[@fcukugimmeausername]

I believe the UK Police deserve to be sued over this. This was a complete balls up, and they at very least owe the Gosden family a significant amount of money.

[@billyshead1339]

Yea they waited too long and the footage got recorded over.

[@CR-pw7zz]

Definitely, they were totally incompetent.

[@newyardleysinclair9960]

They dont owe them anything. It's unfortunate but it wasn't malicious in intent. Could you sue the fire dept for not saving your flatscreen?

[@fcukugimmeausername]

@@newyardleysinclair9960 You just compared a human life to a TV.

[@crochetbyrhiannon]

@@newyardleysinclair9960 incompetence very seldom results from maliciousness, it’s incompetence nonetheless . Professional incompetence has real-world consequences.

[@TheHorrorDevotee]

This is criminally underviewed. Your voice is sooooo soothing

[@MosesDeLaRoses]

Thin Air was a beautifully made podcast. Sadly, it doesn't look like it will ever come back.

[@nickynghp]

It terrifies me knowing that someone in this country probably knows what happened to him

[@stephaniejadelive]

Someone must know what happened to him. And that person is the most selfish in this world. Unless this person is dead.

[@nickynghp]

Andrew Furrer the UK. I live here

[@RichardParry-zt2ik]

Probably not . He probably did a Reggie Perrin and fell in the canal

[@iiSnipez]

@@RichardParry-zt2ikhow do i find someone reply to a 5 year old comment 4 hours ago

[@RuthyB88]

God this is absolutely heart breaking. I do hope he's alive somewhere, but more so I hope his family get some closure. They need it. :(

[@maxalberts2003]

My heart has simply shattered for this poor family.

[@jessicadigiglio]

Okay I have an alternative theory here: Someone from Andrew’s school or social circle talked him into going to London for the concert. My gut is leaning towards an adult from his school or social circle, possibly a teacher, janitor, family friend etc someone he trusted. This adult DID NOT have good intentions, possibly groomed him, tried to befriend him eg ‘oh sixth is playing at this place at this time, I’m a huge fan of it, we should both go, oh but don’t tell anyone and I won’t tell anyone you skipped school’ and convinced him to make the trip to London. I think this adult IS a predictor and preyed upon Andrew, to take him away and possibly do something horrible to him. I highly suggested they go through ALL the adults he’s interacted with in his life and go through what they did that day.

[@mrkipling2201]

It’s certainly something that should be looked into. Very plausible theory and something I had considered.

[@bastardmaggot1153]

You make perfect sense...... i was thinking someone Andrew came across some one that may reside some where along the route he walked home.......

[@dd52161]

who cares

[@TheHorrorDevotee]

My issue though is with him refusing the return ticket - if he was seeing a concert, why wouldn't he go for that, considering it was only an extra 50p?

[@cw9007]

Maybe the concert didn't end in time for him to get the last train back. The returns only last up to midnight usually, and that doesn't necessarily mean the last train to Doncaster was at midnight; it could be much earlier.@@TheHorrorDevotee

[@user-fb3pu3qx3t]

This was such a sensitive and intelligent podcast. You were so respectful of Andrew’s dear family, and I applaud their strength in being able to participate. Andrew’s case is unbearably sad. Thank you for helping to spread awareness.

[@tracy7488]

Thank you for such a sensitively produced podcast of this case. By far the best I have heard. So heartbreaking to hear Kevin & Charlotte describe their suffering. Personally, I think Andrew is still alive & hope that one day he will make contact with his family to end their pain.

[@lawrencedonaldson4427]

I truly feel sorry his dad I lost my son 3 years ago found him myself he was passed away least I can visit him God bless u Kevin hope one day u find out what happened 2 ur son God bless him

[@misterg2201]

Sorry for your loss 🙏🙏🙏

[@Dougieheccarealoaded]

There is zero chance that this boy chose to disappear and leave his whole family in permanent misery

[@mrkipling2201]

I totally agree.

[@TheHorrorDevotee]

I think so too - given his relationship with his family and considering how open they are - like not even baptising him as a baby so as to not impose religious views on him... it's so hard to believe he'd willingly leave them in the dark for 14 years. Honestly, it just seems to me he played hooky to go see a show in London and then, having the world's worst luck, was the victim of a random kidnapping.

[@SerenDipity64711]

I agree. Andrew was responsible and had a close relationship with his sister. He would not have willingly caused them pain, I am certain of it.

[@DylanMcCleary-zt9im]

I don't think that Andrew was groomed there has never been any online evidence to support the grooming theory that leads me to believe that Andrew might actually be alive and doesn't want his family to find him

[@Dougieheccarealoaded]

@@DylanMcCleary-zt9im What evidence is there to suggest that other than buying a 1 way ticket? He clearly went to London to get something thinking that he would get a lift back before his parents returned.

[@Da1Dez]

What I find so inconceivable is how there is no further CCTV footage of Andrew, post-leaving King's Cross Station, walking amongst London. London is chocked with CCTV camera I'd have thought, given the big businesses and high crime there. How his dissappearance managed to evade that, if there was any, I struggle to believe.

[@cw9007]

There may well have been. The problem was that the police failed to ask for CCTV until nearly a month after Andrew disappeared, so by the time they were done with blaming the family and got their act together, most CCTV had been overwritten. The police have a lot to answer for in this case.

[@bigmofarah9084]

Shock horror, the police dropped a bollock and failed to do their jobs properly. This meant any footage has now been lost forever. We are lucky to even know he got to King's Cross rather than have to speculate whether or not he got off the train at an earlier stop. Hey ho, it's only somebody's child that went missing. I am sure they had more important stuff to be doing. They bungled the whole case and now you have people wildly speculating on KZbin about what could have happened. His parents at the very least should know exactly where he went after King's Cross rather than have faith that a waitress really did encounter him because ham and pineapple pizza sounds like something he would order to eat.

[@judithvargas999]

I think that as a parent his father idealizes Andrew, like nothing was wrong with him. At that age many teenagers suffer in silence and don’t tell anything at all to their parents or family. Also by the type of bands he liked and all that emo feel. But I believe he had the intention of coming back that same day that’s why he left everything tidy up the same way as when he came back from school and the reason why he took his keys with him. He met foul play in London and maybe he is dead or kept kidnaped somewhere....so sad. Hope someday we can get an answer. All my support and love to the family.

[@Christine-xt8fr]

If he planned on coming back the same day, then why didn't he get the return ticket... especially considering it was only 1 dollar more??? It does seem like he planned on coming home *at some point*, but maybe he just wasn't sure when. Or maybe he was going to meet someone, and the plan was that they'd drive him back home. The only reasons I can think of that he wouldn't bring his charger would be if he forgot it (I doubt that), if he thought he'd be back home before he'd need it again, or if he planned to kill himself and just wanted to play on the train ride. If he was going to buy the newer PSP, why even bring the old one? Also, I wouldn't consider Slipknot to be ''emo'' lol

[@TinFoilCat90]

​@Christine-xt8fr His grandparents, aunts, uncles ect live in London. His famiky thinks he may have asked for a ride back or stayed over with one of them.

[@susandyke7318]

There’s something off about the father

[@rachaelhogan7850]

@@TinFoilCat90if he stayed with them where is he, why wouldn’t the family contact his mom and dad and tell them stop the. Worrying or if he decided to not want to go home and wanted to stay with family why didn’t they tell his mom dad why wouldn’t he tell his parents it’s not that there’s no trace of him.

[@rachaelhogan7850]

@@susandyke7318Nothing to do with the father, don’t even go there.

[@youarestronger]

No way that boy was intent on running away. I have taken off from an abusive home and it always involved extra clothes and all my dollar bills and coins. He went to London with a purpose and that involved another party. I think he likely was lured by someone he knew and that likely knew his family, which makes it even more creepy. It could have been someone in Doncaster. He went to London, assuming he was coming home with someone. I bet he thought that person would smooth things over with his parents for being mischevious but that person had ill-intent and harmed that poor boy. I also know a woman who is involved with the same missing persons group as Kevin and all those families are united in their grief. Kevin has put himself out there despite the police brutalizing the family and his story is always the same and consistent. Go back to the community in Doncaster or anyone close to the family or friends in London or look at school, church, scouts.

[@Suzyfromtheblock]

When Andrew left the house he said goodbye to his father and set off He doubles back later to the house Changes his clothes, gets his other items And leaves. If he never missed school as a rule. I wonder what explanation He was going to give them as the reason why he didn’t attend school that day had he returned back home.

[@Suzyfromtheblock]

@@youarestronger absolutely,

[@paigebrown9868]

This Case Still Bothers Me! I Was Around 13 Or 14 Myself When I See This On The News I'm Also From London. But It's More Weird He Didn't Want A Return Ticket Back Home, So He Knew He Definitely Didn't Wanna Go Back Home. But What Was The Reason He Didn't Wanna Go Back? 🤔 Very Strange Case And Still Puzzles Me...

[@doovetubeuk4644]

i agree with you, simply put he ran away. you may get an understanding of why if you watch The Fall and Rise of Reginald Perrin (which i am going to do over the next few days) and listen to the music he listened to. i don't believe he went to London to see a band, the fact he was wearing a slip knot t shirt is irrelevant. i would like to know what psp games he owned and what game he took with him that day??? just to rule out if he could of communicated with someone on the game without needing an account?? the psp was an absolute GEM for people with even a basic understanding of Homebrew, Hacking, Jail Break etc... but honestly i do not beleive he was groomed and i do not believe he went to london to meet anyone... the way he pretended to go to school then went back to get changed, i know this is sad but his family where not even supposed to know that he went to london. hopefully the new crimewatch appeal may turn up something new.

[@Jakkko]

@@doovetubeuk4644 ran away but taking his keys with him?

[@madamebutterfly851]

Why did you capitalize every word?

[@32446]

It is really wierd. It seems like her was going to go home as he left money, clothes and his console charger there. I think he arranged to meet someone who was going to give him a lift home.

[@xaverlustig3581]

There are explanations not involving him to run away. He was hoping to get a lift home, he was planing to go home by coach, or could it be that the cheap return ticket offered to him was limited the same day, but he was planning to go home the next day so it would have been of no use?

[@pch2230]

It would be wonderful if Andrew was still alive. Perhaps he is. Even so, there are still so many important questions over his disappearance - why he left, how he survived (assuming he did) and, in the wider context, why the police and newspapers prioritise certain children over others (often by their looks, family background and even what time of year they vanish).

[@youarestronger]

Two men arrested for kidnapping, trafficking and possession of child pornography in Andrew's case. Deepest condolences to Charlotte, Glenys and Kevin.

[@rachaelhogan7850]

No, they released them there not connected to Andrew they let them go.No ones charged for anything it’s a missing persons case.

[@youarestronger]

@@rachaelhogan7850 Yes, it is updated now. The men were released. Andrew's family was spoken to, so we don't know 100 percent if there were images of Andrew or anything like that. Still horrifically sad so many years later. His poor family.

[@ausgamecollector]

One theory I’ve not heard yet is that Andrew could have met someone in London who was already familiar to the family. Perhaps this person planned to abuse him, which is why there were no online exchanges. They could’ve kept him at their place and hidden his remains.

[@youarestronger]

That one I have seen in various places. I am also partial to this, as I think since there is no electronic record of communication, he very well could have made plans with someone either in Doncaster or London that he was previously acquainted with.

[@steameddumplings616]

I'm only a few mins into this, so pardon me if it gets mentioned at some point in the podcast, but Ive checked up on this case every once in a while for a few years now and I've actually never read about anyone legitimately talking to his school friends. One would think that his peers would be the closest and best source of information on behavioral changes/anything that could indicate why he'd leave home (esp. if it were for something like a day trip to the city to see a concert). I hope that the authorities reached out to said peers and that the peers told the truth, if/when questioned.

[@g.h.7755]

His sister was his closest of closest...he didn’t tell her a word...

[@ShireWitch]

He didn't have any friends in school apparently.

[@sixteenrecumbentbikes7946]

he did have friends in school who were also academically bright but these friends rarely met up outside of school suggesting they were not that close emotionally unlike his sister was

[@dinosaurtreesflowers]

Our police services are wrapped up in process, bureaucracy and ideology. What a shambles and such a mystery. I feel for the family. There's a new 'Missing' campaign featuring Andrew, posters across London. I hope his family find him one day. 🙏 xx

[@stellagianni7534]

Yes, everyone believes in misstery and magic, but everything is axplained simply - crime, murder.

[@Dig]

@@stellagianni7534 Not true. He could have decided to ran away.

[@stellagianni7534]

If you want to think so, think so. It is easier than solving a crime.

[@stellagianni7534]

The killers are man and girl.

[@stellagianni7534]

And they are fomiliar people or even relatives

[@CR-pw7zz]

I found this heartbreaking, I had been looking at this case for a while and looked at various theories. However, listening to Andrews lovely Dad and sister I think Andrew could have just wanted to ‘do something’ that sparked his interest and expected to stay with family afterwards. Unfortunately he may have met with foul play, I hope this isn’t the case but seems the most likely. The police were neglectful in their duty to Andrew and action should be taken against them. Great content.

[@-xirx-]

Two men have just been arrested in connection with this disappearance. Arrested on kidnap & human trafficking charges. One is 40+ years old. Not much else is known at the moment, but it could be a big break in the case hopefully.

[@MissingTheMissing]

Hi, you have a very interesting podcast, I've also just covered Andrew's case and it's good to see so many people keeping the search going.

[@CitrusMenace]

this story has always interested me. its of my opinion that he intended to go to london for the day, for whatever reason, and return home. if he was running away he would have taken the £100 cash from his bedroom, clothes other than just a t shirt, his PSP charger etc. I think he may have met with foul play in london, if not surely he would have contacted his parents by now at least to let them know hes alive. i hope we find out what happened to andrew one day

[@ceruleanc505]

He would have bought return ticket for the £1extra cost. So he didn't plan to return home.

[@jomoland]

Cerulean c yes I have the same question! Why not purchase the round trip ticket 🎫??? Why would he buy a one-way if he intended to go back home? The only thing I can think of is maybe he was meeting someone who told him to not worry about it and that they would give him a lift back. This case is a definite head scratcher.

[@ceruleanc505]

@Andrew Furrer That's what i said.

[@ceruleanc505]

@Andrew Furrer He would have paid the 1 pound difference for return trip if he'd planned going back home. Period. To accuse the Dad without first-hand knowledge is a big stretch and frankly, pretty disgusting.

[@ceruleanc505]

@Andrew Furrer A lot of people have been suicidal over much less. You're right. We don't have all the facts we need to form a hypothesis. But I think to accuse dad w/o proof is pretty ugly.

[@MHLivestreams]

i hope he just wanted to reinvent himself, and is doing well. he had the brains to do it.

[@manutdrule09]

Unfortunately this mystery will never be solved purely due to the incompetence by the police

[@leeandrew1754]

Rip poor kid

[@sixteenrecumbentbikes7946]

we dont know hes dead for certain

[@ksm5563]

He left the church and the scouts and i read his teacher commited suicide before his disappearance. A lot going on there .

[@bryanbradley6871]

His dad tried to kill himself because he thought the police weren't looking for Andrew and were looking at him... That says alot... He knows something... I'm 100% sure he knows something that could have been very helpful

[@Vixyvix01]

A teacher that suffered from depression, not his teacher. Plenty of teachers in my Catholic high school that I never had a lesson with with because they did different year groups.

[@Vixyvix01]

@@bryanbradley6871 He attempted in 2008. Police were no longer looking at the family because Andrew had obviously traveled to London.

[@youarestronger]

@@bryanbradley6871 Hope you repent for being an AH. Two men arrested for kidnapping, trafficking and possession of child pornography in Andrew's case.

[@bryanbradley6871]

@@youarestronger so what? They were looking at pedophiles as suspects of course that would happen

[@debbief9861]

I’ve never heard anyone discuss the possibility that Andrew may have accessed the internet in an Internet cafe. They were quite numerous at that time, as mobile phones weren’t yet very advanced in terms of internet; tablets weren’t much of a thing, either; and even laptops weren’t so much in evidence as nowadays. Also, bear in mind that Andrew had started walking home, and he could have spent some of that time accessing the internet in a cafe or other venue. This would explain the lack of evidence elsewhere in terms of using the internet. Doubtless any cafe would not exist now, as they started to disappear as more people got online.

[@MalonsMilk]

He hadn’t started walking home. His dad confirmed that he only did this once and it was a sunny day.

[@debbief9861]

@@MalonsMilk Yes. I heard this recently, too. I wonder if we will ever know what happened.

[@mrkipling2201]

It was the South Yorkshire police investigating. No wonder it wasn’t handled as well as it should have been.

[@Aba657]

This is just a theory but please hear me out. Andrew may have begun using some sort of illegal substance. The 4 mile walks home from school could have been an excuse to obtain it. His parents would not likely notice him being high because he spent so much time alone and focused on video games. Illicit drug use could also explain his sudden change in mood the day he disappeared. His parents may have been less likely to notice money missing from his bank account than his birthday money. He may have had a friend at school (or somewhere) that told him he could buy a larger quantity of the illicit substance at an address in London. Andrew being gullible and naive may have believed that he could meet the dealer and his friend there and once the transaction was completed, be given a ride home. He may not have realized he was being set up for a robbery. The robbery may have gone wrong and could have become a murder. It's just a theory and I have no evidence to support it. I am truly sorry to the Gosden family for their loss and hope Andrew is safe and returns home to them.

[@sixteenrecumbentbikes7946]

i am not sure how well that stands up as i don't think many people (especially his closer community eg school church family idk about friends but i doubt it as they are all reported to be bright and not too close to Andrew especially outside of school-grounds) had a problem with drugs again this does hold some explanation to his long walks home however i dont think that Andrew would have been tempted to go to London for obtaining drugs but who really knows how someone would react to a situation like that

[@Aba657]

@@sixteenrecumbentbikes7946 You may be right, and it is just another possibility. I have worked with kids my entire adult life and they are often excellent at hiding drug use. I also did not say "problem with drugs" I said he could have using them. This could have been something new in his life. His family did not seem at all surprised that he went to London alone.

[@sixteenrecumbentbikes7946]

@@Aba657 yeah i think he would have been hiding something wither drug use, online stuff, seeing a consert or a mixture who knows

[@DylanMccleary-v1p]

I agree with your theory because there has never been any online evidence to support the grooming theory

[@DylanMccleary-v1p]

Your theory could make sense because there has never been any online evidence to support the grooming theory

[@johnny196775]

Yeah.. this reminds me of myself. I was a little older when I did it than he was when he did, but I did the exact same thing. If he is alive, searching for him is likely to be making him angry and less likely to reach out to anyone.

[@robertflynn6686]

Your podcast was personal and touching and even now in 2021 its still of interest. If he left home for good, I know this is possible , its because he wanted more than his family relation provided in 2007. Some things you can't discuss with parents.

[@youarestronger]

Two men arrested for kidnapping, trafficking and possession of child pornography in Andrew's case. Deepest condolences to Charlotte, Glenys and Kevin.

[@robertflynn6686]

@@youarestronger the thing about your comment is that the 2 you mention are now released but they are not even persons of interest; only a vague admission if what British police are thinking. Lol. Ps. I found Andrew Golden in London myself and turned my tip into this organization(UK org. Of missing persons). But they never ever responded back on my tip. Such goes life.

[@guess1846]

@@robertflynn6686 when?

[@robertflynn6686]

@@guess1846 when I turned it in? Feb 2021.

[@guess1846]

@@robertflynn6686 so you're saying you saw andrew gosden recently? Did he look any different?

[@Dr.Gunsmith]

He could of talked to online gamers on the PlayStation network, because you need a PSP account to play some games, he left £100 pounds at home and bought a one way ticket but I don’t think buying that ticket one way doesn’t mean he’s not wanting to come back home, could be a million reasons why he only got a one way ticket, the money he left at home suggests he planned coming back.

[@paulfitzpatrick3090]

There's more chance of Madaline McCann being found alive.

[@ChrisKhaled83]

If he went through anything like I did at that age, Its no wonder he "vanished", If I had to choose all over again, I would have listened to my friend that I had back then and went away with him. He was not Imaginary. Adults and their church rubbish are Imaginary crap. I showed my mum my "Imaginary" friend later on, when I was 17. She was so shocked and angry at being proven wrong. He was only a few years older than me. She made sure I never saw him again. And they tell you to call the enemy. "to support you" (to make it worse for not obeying their regime), total scum. I have had their experience before, and went through the suffering that they inflict on you.

[@bigmofarah9084]

In fairness the family seemed pretty staunch in their refusal to impose their religion on the kids.

[@Midnight00012]

SikTh weren't known for playing gigs with Slipknot in 2007. They didn't tour with Slipknot until their 2016 UK tour, 9 years after he disappeared.

[@HillsSilent]

There is also the unwritten rule of not wearing a band's shirt to a gig, it is considered to be 'not cool' by some... I think it's one plausibility that he travelled to London to see a band live. I hope his family gain closure one day.

[@OneIroNauT_1]

He could still be alive and living his life. Sometimes it’s hard to reconnect after putting people through so much trauma. There have been other cases where people just disappeared themselves took new identities and never spoke to their families again. As sad as that it is for his family, I hope it’s the outcome in this case. Hopefully someday if he’s out there, he’ll reconnect. It’s a long shot, but.

[@youarestronger]

Police screwed up.. Does not matter if you have to clear the family, you never waste time. You ALWAYS run a simultaneous investigation. Doncaster PD messed this up.

[@whatsernamelj]

New sub awesome podcast!

[@Jean-rg4sp]

*Andrew's sister is mistaken when she says that they found out "pretty quickly" that her brother had taken the train to London (**9:16**). In fact they did not find out about his trip for three days! The clerk who sold him the train ticket on Friday morning was off work for the weekend and did not return to work until Monday of the following week. The podcast continues with this same error of timing by saying it was "relatively soon" (**9:22**) that the family and the police find out about the railway ticket. Three days is a long waste of time when a young boy has gone missing. A return ticket was not "only around a pound more" (**9:38**). It was half this at 50 pence. Three questions I have are: 1) who saw Andrew in the park? (not mentioned in this podcast), 2) who was staying for dinner the evening Andrew went missing? (**7:14**), and 3) who saved Mr. Gosden's life (**29:50**)? This could provide a motive.*

[@danielbaldeo6230]

See Andrews photo often in London (as a cyclist), talking to my sister who’s works in security (London), and she said that there were complaints about missing children (not sure if it’s related), I was also shocked to learn that in east London a white van was spotted abducting children, this sent chills down my spine knowing that there can be such sick people in this world. Anyways I hope he has survived and is out there somehow, as the pain on his family would be unbearable.

[@Nicole-Faith]

Hi yes that is shocking. Was it reported to the police about the white van?

[@frostxtelepath4075]

There is over half a million CCTV cameras watching you daily in London. That's more than any other place in England or really probably Europe itself. In America we probably are caught on CCTV anywhere from 75-100 times a day.. In London, you're on there anywhere from 350-500 plus times in one 8 hour stretch to a full day. The cops are lazy and didn't look back until after a month after Andrew left. By that time that's when they found the small amounts of footage we as a public supposedly have.. the footage of him at the stations and leaving at Kings Cross. The last time anyone saw him that was confirmed by more than one person. If you think about it, it's not unrealistic for all but that footage to be missing considering half a million cameras have to cover up old feed after awhile. I'm sure after half a million lenses recording 24/7 for over a month would make you loose that older footage. What bothers me though is they claim they can only find footage from when he was getting off at Kings Cross... Which if you think about it would be the oldest footage they could possibly have on file of him (despite any day leading up to this day) so where was the other 8 hours plus after that footage where he would of been wondering the streets? I think if the rumor of the sighting of Andrew later that day in a pizza hut was true, we would of seen him walking or getting on public transport to ride the three miles or so roughly to get to that pizza hut south of London.. so that leads me to believe that he meet someone intentionally or by false play right outside of the station when he was last seen, maybe in a alley way nearby where there coincidencely wasn't cctv? Either that or maybe a family member or someone else he was supposed to meet lived right there, such a short distance to not be caught on CCTV. The 3 minutes it could of took at most for him to reach his destination, go in the house, leave in a car with someone and go to pizza hut later that day and never to be seen again. I'm not sure if he ran away intentionally and is still fine to this day or if something worse happened. But the lead/rumor about the guy meeting a person online by the name of Andyroo (a family given nickname) needed money for rent because his partner walked out on him, he couldn't be wired money because he no longer has a bank account, he claimed it was because one day 11 years ago when he was 14 he decided to take a train to London one morning and run away because he felt like it.. I feel like although hopeless and a dead end, this is the most realistic of the theories. He was a smart kid and I don't think he would have a hard time getting on his feet and getting a house and a job. Perhaps when he was supposedly spotted at Pizza hut he was trying to get a job application?! It could be a shot in the dark but to think about it, it makes a lot of sense the way he did it. It seems like Andrew knew he was being watched and had planned long and hard on a way around it. Perhaps he took some of his money and bought new clothes or got new clothes from someone he knew and that's how he evaded later CCTV footage? I think there is a lot more about Andrew that we didn't know and he actually probably intended for all of this, and planned around it and this is why we haven't spotted him on CCTV to this day (other than the lazy pigs not watching them) he probably took the last of his money, got some food, new clothes, and a haircut and went to go job searching.

[@bigmofarah9084]

Unfortunately the slow response towards getting CCTV seems to have ensured that this case will remain cold for many years to come. I know we largely don't hear of the successes but time and time again police failings in high profile cases are glaring and obvious. They have a devastating impact on the families caught up in the web of emotions that a disappearance causes and make law enforcement look incompetent. The truth is that from King's Cross this young man really could have ended up anywhere and even a few frames of CCTV from after he went through his ticket barrier onto the wider streets or to the Tube network would have been invaluable.

[@sage6336]

It wasn't policing by assumption , but the facts is many family members are involved in children going missing

[@lotusblossom6814]

true but imagine how that feels as an innocent parent.the police did the same with the parents of lesley anne who was murdered by ian brady and myra hindley, they spent precious time accusing the parents.

[@1212matt]

I've been following this case for years and the only conclusion I can arrive at is that Andrew died the day he went to London no child could do that to their family Andrew also left his charging cord at home I think he was on his way to stay with the family his grandparents and he knew he had another charging cord at his family's place in England he was just skipping school for the day and then going to stay with his grandparents that's my opinion

[@khutt19]

I think that if he was planning to go to a gig, and intended stay with family he would have checked in with them on arrival,one would have thought,he obviously did not forewarn them of his coming to London.Personally,I would have thought a 14 year old going to London alone slightly odd, however, no family was expecting him and I dont think he intended going to family unless he was sure in himself of facing the music on return home,which I reckon he did intend going home.He did not buy the return ticket because maybe the one offered was a same day return,so he knew he was not returning the same day.So,if he intended staying in a hotel in London,again,one would assume he would check in some time soon after arrival in London,he would maybe have been hungry by this time, he has 170 pounds in his pocket, lunch, a cheap hotel or guest house, some dinner,then entry to a gig, return home next day, 30 pounds,or maybe cheaper by coach, He withdrew cash at a cash machine,wonder why he did not want to pay for the hotel with his card,or the train ticket for that matter,he could have got cash in London,but he wanted cash before he left Doncaster. It looke to me that he was met soon after arriving in London,did not check into a hotel or anywhere else for that matter.The fact that nobody in all this time has said the saw him that day or since,says to me he has deliberately gone into hiding,or he has been picked up, it happens,as I said,no way would I let a 14 year old of mine go to London alone,I know on this occassion he left home witout permission,but his parents were all for sending him alone to London,maybe there is nothing odd in that,but not something I would do,or for that matter I would be surprised if the Polce would say it was a good idea.If he was that clever he been have been acting that all was well at home,troubled kids problems usually start at home or at school,.He was clever enough to hide his online activity,if he had any,maybe he went on line at school,.Somebody,somewhere,knows something, and it could be closer to home,in most of these cases,it is.

[@Dr.Gunsmith]

The police in this situation failed miserably, the police are the ones that messed this case up then turned on the parents this is shocking and wrong on so many levels. 2020 he would be 27 years old God bless his family and I just hope he’s still with us and one day gets a message to his parents.

[@youarestronger]

He could have been rescued. Two men arrested for kidnapping, trafficking and possession of child pornography in Andrew's case. Deepest condolences to Charlotte, Glenys and Kevin.

[@bigmofarah9084]

Yep. It's fair enough that you want to talk to the parents as it is usually something close to home that causes a person to disappear but to do it in a way described by Kevin is outrageous. Frankly, if I was Andrew, still alive and heard that my dad had tried to take his own life because of what the case and the handling of it did to him it would also make me less likely to re-emerge.

[@NoContextRDH]

PSP consoles had internet browsers.. It frustrates me when people always say he ‘had no online account’ on his PSP. It had an internet browser.. I had one.. You didn’t need any online account to access the internet browser.

[@jd8391]

People says it would have been to hard and slow to chat with people through a PSP. Is that true?

[@ayarrows]

@@jd8391 That is not true at all. I had the original PSP and it had a very capable internet browser, and was able to connect to any public WiFi hotspot as well. It would have been very easy for him to use the PSP to chat with others, have an email account via Hotmail, GMail, Yahoo, etc., or use online forums and chat rooms. I agree with others that the idea that he wasn't communicating with anyone online because he didn't have an "account" is misleading and rather naive. What about the serial number of his PSP console? Has that every turned up anywhere, sold second-hand or on eBay? It would be hard to track that down but I wonder if anyone ever looked into it.

[@J420-k3w]

​@@ayarrowsFrom Wikipedia: Investigators sent the unique serial number of Gosden’s PSP to Sony HQ who checked and found that there was no record of an account being set up or communication established on the device. The Sony PSP 1000 had a DNAS authentication system allowing Sony to see when a PSP had connected to the internet. The only PC in the house was his sister's laptop, which had only been in her possession for eight weeks. Gosden's sister has stated that he did not seem interested in social media or connecting with other people through the Internet as he "just didn't seem social".

[@Calaveraqueen24]

They looked

[@reallyryan_]

This one always baffles me whenever I hear about it again on the news or whenever I see Andrews face on a bus stop here in Edinburgh. (Scotland) I can't help but wonder what happened to him, did he start a new life in London and for whatever reason isn't contacting his family? Did he get attacked and possibly killed when he was wondering the streets? Or did he get kidnapped and is being held by someone? So many different theory's and it's really sad for the family, I hope they find some answers.

[@Stopthisrightnow560]

Has anyone considered he might have been struggling with his sexuality and went to London to meet someone older who promised a lift home in return.

[@joecreg1264]

Kirstie Hampton yea the parents reached out to the gay community for answers

[@Dig]

Yes, his parents. Also, that supposed person who chatted with an Andyroo who ran away at 14 and needed help paying rent after his boyfriend split. They tried to get information on that user, but they did not have that information (something with new servers).

[@BridgetRose1]

Makes me wonder if he was questioning his gender identity instead of his sexuality, have they reached out to the trans community as another line of enquiry?

[@reallyryan_]

Highly unlikely

[@reallyryan_]

@@Dig No, so many people have the nickname"Andyroo" could have been anyone.

[@pusscat5161]

When someone came forward in 2008 through the intercom was it just after Andrew's father tried to hang himself because the person could have come forward because they felt guilty?

[@Dig]

I don't know the answer to that question, but the supposed man said he wanted to report a possible sighting.

[@Calaveraqueen24]

That happened because he blamed himself he’s done nothing wrong the police kept blaming him so he thought if he was gone they’d try find him better

[@simon_1987]

Exactly. Family is to blame here.

[@Calaveraqueen24]

@@simon_1987 nope

[@simon_1987]

@@Calaveraqueen24 yes they are

[@joann3190]

I am going to be honest, the interviewer here isn't really good. I feel like he doesn't listen to the dad, and he asked the same questions that the dad ALREADY had told him. I wish the family had done an interview with Lordanarts, he is much better.

[@RealityEscapeeMeeeeeee]

Massive update. Two men arrested today in connection with Andrews disappearance. 1 for abduction, child trafficking and indecent images, the other for abduction and child trafficking.

[@bobsmith1561]

27:25 Why was the father interviewed without legal representation?

[@Bought_by_the_blood]

Yes surely that’s illegal in itself?

[@emilyhughes4297]

My thought is that it could be possible he could have got caught up with some kind of drugs trafficking(not him taking drugs but someone exploiting him to carry /deliver them) that went wrong. Sometimes kind of innocent looking boys will be used as they are less suspicious. Could explain why he told no one where he was going (if he wanted to go to a gig or a specific place/exhibition, I feel like he would have at least mentioned it in passing to someone ) and also why he supposedly walked home from school instead of getting the bus. Maybe he met up with someone or was trying to see how late he could stay out without causing any suspicion. Obviously this theory has no evidence, and I’m not saying that in anyway he was a bad kid, just that teenagers can be exploited in different ways and carrying drugs is one of the most common for teenage boys.

[@jupiter-8405]

There must have been CCTV somewhere on each of the streets leading off from Kings Cross station?

[@spleeeen4it]

It got taped over, police laziness cost them getting any footage

[@jupiter-8405]

@@spleeeen4it I don't believe all the footage was taped over from every security camera, it just would have taken a lot of hard work to dig it out.

[@frostxtelepath4075]

@@jupiter-8405 there is over half a million CCTV cameras watching you daily in London. That's more than any other place in England or really probably Europe itself. In America we probably are caught on CCTV anywhere from 75-100 times a day.. In London, you're on there anywhere from 350-500 plus times in one 8 hour stretch to a full day. The cops are lazy and didn't look back until after a month after Andrew left. By that time that's when they found the small amounts of footage we as a public supposedly have.. the footage of him at the stations and leaving at Kings Cross. The last time anyone saw him that was confirmed by more than one person. If you think about it, it's not unrealistic for all but that footage to be missing considering half a million cameras have to cover up old feed after awhile. I'm sure after half a million lenses recording 24/7 for over a month would make you loose that older footage. What bothers me though is they claim they can only find footage from when he was getting off at Kings Cross... Which if you think about it would be the oldest footage they could possibly have on file of him (despite any day leading up to this day) so where was the other 8 hours plus after that footage where he would of been wondering the streets? I think if the rumor of the sighting of Andrew later that day in a pizza hut was true, we would of seen him walking or getting on public transport to ride the three miles or so roughly to get to that pizza hut south of London.. so that leads me to believe that he meet someone intentionally or by false play right outside of the station when he was last seen, maybe in a alley way nearby where there coincidencely wasn't cctv? Either that or maybe a family member or someone else he was supposed to meet lived right there, such a short distance to not be caught on CCTV. The 3 minutes it could of took at most for him to reach his destination, go in the house, leave in a car with someone and go to pizza hut later that day and never to be seen again. I'm not sure if he ran away intentionally and is still fine to this day or if something worse happened. But the lead/rumor about the guy meeting a person online by the name of Andyroo (a family given nickname) needed money for rent because his partner walked out on him, he couldn't be wired money because he no longer has a bank account, he claimed it was because one day 11 years ago when he was 14 he decided to take a train to London one morning and run away because he felt like it.. I feel like although hopeless and a dead end, this is the most realistic of the theories. He was a smart kid and I don't think he would have a hard time getting on his feet and getting a house and a job. Perhaps when he was supposedly spotted at Pizza hut he was trying to get a job application?! It could be a shot in the dark but to think about it, it makes a lot of sense the way he did it. It seems like Andrew knew he was being watched and had planned long and hard on a way around it. Perhaps he took some of his money and bought new clothes or got new clothes from someone he knew and that's how he evaded later CCTV footage? I think there is a lot more about Andrew that we didn't know and he actually probably intended for all of this, and planned around it and this is why we haven't spotted him on CCTV to this day (other than the lazy pigs not watching them) he probably took the last of his money, got some food, new clothes, and a haircut and went to go job searching.

[@Calaveraqueen24]

All of it was gone by the time they looked

[@LunazulBaraka]

Doesn't make sense that he didn't have an account online, no way, in 2007 no way, most likely he had an anonymous one that nobody knew about...

[@stephaniejadelive]

Lunazul I remember even at 12 I was doing things online that I shouldn’t have been doing! Pretending to be all ages with fake names talking to god knows who. It’s so easy to be groomed. A man from Germany somehow found my address (I didn’t tell him) and sent me jewellery at 13. My parents didn’t even question where it came from. I was so scared. The internet is a dark and scary place.

[@jd8391]

@@stephaniejadelive Wow. How did your parents never ask that? I´m curious. They just avoided the topic? Made as if anything had happened?

[@reallyryan_]

You know not everyone uses an account right? Not everyone has to have an account.

[@ajayjackson7727]

there's more to this story and as to why andrew hid from his parents and went to london, he obviously wasn't happy at home and i don't think he wants his parents to find him and that's why he's not coming forward. I think he's still alive and just wants left alone.

[@stephenjackson6949]

The fact it was September and start of a new school term makes me think he didn’t like school and the way his dad said he wasn’t shocked he went to London cause it was his favourite please makes me think it could of been suicide :(

[@iiSnipez]

i just wish that he left a note if he had gone to an event

[@markj5054]

Did Andrew really walk from school those time or did he stay behind talking to a teacher and/or get a lift from someone who dropped him at the end of the road so he took longer and said to his family that he took longer because he walked when he didn't?

[@augustwolf5595]

Some things that seem strange to me is how Kevin refers to Andrew in the past tense. It could simply be his way of coping with the disappearance, but referring to him as being gone and the numerous times he laughed during the interview just seems a bit odd to me. But again, he's been through a lot and having been affected deeply by the loss of his son without any sense of resolution could make Kevin deal with things in ways that seem abnormal. As for Andrew, I have this notion about gifted individuals - one that I have no doubt others hold to be a possibility. That is, highly intelligent people are similar to psychopaths in that they don't consider the emotions of others. I believe that some experiences can lead to a maturation of sorts where without any obvious cause, they manifest themselves in a suddenly cold dearth of emotional recognition. They shut off, and walking away from family - no matter how loving and functional - is as easy as deciding which foot to lead off the curb with. However, I believe Andrew is no longer alive. Although intelligence has a lot going for it, there's no guarantee that common sense is a given. He could have naively fallen prey to someone with nefarious intentions which resulted in Andrew being killed. I certainly hope I'm wrong and understand completely why his loved ones haven't given up hope of his return. I do wish them the best in that regard.

[@jd8391]

Bro, I just can´t handle with his father fucking LAUGHING all the time. Unreal!

[@SH-to8sh]

y'all are idiots. Its been YEARS since his disappearance, and he can speak about it as if it were a book he read a long time ago. Its the same as talking about someone who passed away, I mean you can laugh at the memories because the event becomes like a book you read a long time ago.

[@sixteenrecumbentbikes7946]

@@SH-to8sh i mean your son's disappearance will never become like an old book but i get your point that he has been de sensitised to it and although he is still struggling its not as raw

[@crow1994-bl]

IMO, shortly after arriving in London, he committed suicide. He had no intention of returning home. He had this all planned out. He ended his life and he did not want to be found. He succeeded. There are many areas, especially in a large city like London, where a body would never be discovered. Poor kid was dealing with severe vision problems and all the latter photos of him show a child that was very depressed.

[@MalonsMilk]

Severe vision problems?! He had corrective glasses and I’m pretty sure he could have had contacts as they can be worn at a very high medication. I just don’t think he would have been so cruel as to not leave a note. I also think that’s a pretty grandiose way to commit suicide. Why go to a place where you have to figure out where and how you’re going to commit suicide. Yes he could have jumped into the Thames but why go all that way? Why draw out £200 before he got on the train. If he knew what he was going to do he would not need that money. If he was going to change his mind he could have just used a bank machine in London. I think he is dead, no question but suicide doesn’t make sense.

[@rachaelhogan7850]

Don’t be so stupid.

[@carolmiles7474]

Was his digital fingerprint traced ,He may have had a secret computer and spoke to some one on the net.❤❤❤

[@leeviking5159]

Shout from England I think someone online was talking to him and lied about his age and got him down their to meet up I don't think andrew is alive someone got him off the streets sexual abused him then killed him it could be a serial killer but I don't think he is lockup in a house karma will come for them in the future

[@invisibleray6987]

They said he was a STRAIGHT A STUDENT

[@reallyryan_]

Why do you need to use caps? We already know that.

[@jd8391]

1) Why did his father think he was gay? He even reached the LGBT community asking some questions, but I´ve never read the reasons behind him assuming his son´s sexual orientation. 2) Days prior to his dissapearance, Andrew supposedly stopped taking the school bus and started coming back by walking, on a 2-hour trip. So, Andrew was returning to his house 2 hours later than usual, probably sweating all over, and his parents never said a word? They just believed such an abrupt behavior was completely normal for a 14 year old boy, and especially, for Andrew? Did any of their neighbours were able to confirm that they saw Andrew walking on the streets in the afternoon? If not, then it´s really clear for me that Andrew had already been hanging out with another person, who probably even picked him up from school and then drove to Andrew´s school, 2 hours later than usual. 3) Why is his father laughing all the time?

[@xaverlustig3581]

1. Being gay is one of the most frequent reasons for teenagers running away, and he was exploring that route. That's probably all there is to it.

[@sixteenrecumbentbikes7946]

first off i don't think you would be sweating loads and wouldn't there be witnesses to a car picking Andrew up which makes it not very likely (although also i presume the family didn't question him too much on this as they probably thought that it would make him uncomfortable or feel distrusted which was not obviously their aim also being gay was a big theory to his disappearance which would be more weird to have not been addressed as the family wanted to cover every avenue i don't think this was strange especially taking their faith into account

[@susandyke7318]

There’s something off about the father

[@Puzzledtraveller]

I wonder if the Sony PSP was ever tracked, as it could have been sold for cash at a used games store, there are plenty of those in the US, usually for books, music and games. At the time, the PSP had been out for a while but still would have probably paid decently.

[@lawrencedonaldson4427]

I thought same thing did psp ever get checked out

[@MalonsMilk]

Yes it was checked.

[@nevadatan7323]

​ Online Grooming did occur back then, but it wasn't as commonplace as it is today. However he certainly could have been approached IRL. If he had nowhere to stay after the show ended, he might have hung around at the venue until it cleared out trying to pass the time. I can see him attracting the attention of someone, a 'friendly' predator, or maybe he got chatting to a group who said they were having an after party. It's quite possible he was just going with the flow of things and got out of his depth. It could have been something as straight forward as alcohol poisoning that was covered up or something more sinister, but we'll never know. The police dropped the ball hard on this - London is one of the most surveilled cities in the world. If the investigation went into high gear off the bat and they recovered cctv sooner, when we would have answers or at least leads by now.

[@nevadatan7323]

£200 would have only just about covered train travel costs and minimal-average spending money for food and gig entry (if he did go to a show, which I believe he did) If you're purchasing a train ticket on the day of travel it costs considerably more than purchasing in advance... so buying 2 single fares would have eaten up the majority of this budget. He must have planned on staying over in London for the night, as the returned ticket was declined for an extra £1. He didn't purchase the next day's ticket in advance because he must not have had a definite time of travel, or fully understood the ticket options. Or perhaps he was just gonna see what happened and make his travel plans as he went along. But I will just say if he was heading to a gig, the return ticket would have been useless to him. The shows finish at roughly about midnight and trains stop running before that. So he would have needed a seperate ticket for the next day regardless. You can get 'open returns' where the departure date isn't specified but they're still relatively costly and as I say I just dont think he was aware of it, and just figured he'd keep things simple.

[@nevadatan7323]

If he was Depressed it's a fair comment to say that people do infact hide their depression But if you were gonna off yourself you wouldn't travel to central London in order to do it. I'm ruling that out tbh.

[@nevadatan7323]

The fact he took £200 imo is significant, simply because its enough for two train fares, gig entry and food.. maybe a tshirt if you're lucky. But not enough for a Central London Hotel Stay. Would he have really turned up on family members doorstep at like, 1am/2am? Would _you_ answer your front door at 2am? I wouldn't. He didn't have a phone, so it's not like he could have called them to arrange it. And if he did manage to borrow use of a phone somehow the *second* Andrew made contact it would have given the game away. There's no way the parents hadn't already called around if their first assumption was that he had travelled to London to stay with family. They would have reported back that he had been in contact. I don't know how far his family live from Central London either but he would have had to get night buses and idk if the Tube had implemented post midnight trains at that point, even still I think they only run on friday/sat nights. It would have taken a long time to reach the family members house. Would you really bother? I wouldn't. I'd probably just mill about n spend the night walking round, or WOULD GO BACK WITH SOMEBODY IF THEY SEEMED COOL AND CASUALLY OFFERED A FLOOR TO CRASH ON 👀

[@nevadatan7323]

I don't think he used King's Cross as an interchange unless he got on the Bus to head somewhere. If you were waiting for a connecting train you would have just stayed on the platform or within the station watching the boards for arrival updates. He exited, and when you exit sometimes it eats your ticket altogether, so he obviously intended to get off at King's Cross. You wouldn't risk losing your ticket if you had just shelled out a lot of money for it and needed to use it still for onward travel. And also if he was heading for a different area he'd just ask for a ticket to that place just off the bat perhaps, if it was do-able. It's plausible he was where he intended to be, got off to have lunch and kill time, returned to a station (possibly another tube if he'd covered distance by foot) for his onwards journey to his actual destination

[@LunazulBaraka]

About the concerts... why not tell the parents that he would like to go, why go behind their back? Maybe let the parents pay and not use their money? It doesn't make sense he didn't tell them about the concert

[@sixteenrecumbentbikes7946]

i mean i think it would make sense as he probably thought he wouldn't get permission so he went by himself but obviously i have no idea what he was actually thinking

[@reds1013]

Doncaster isn’t a city it’s a large town......

[@whatsernamelj]

So?

[@DylanMccleary-v1p]

I dont believe that he was groomed there has never been any online evidence to support that theory

[@biggee4372]

Look close to them teachers at that school

[@johnjepsen4243]

Bottom line is that Andrew MAY have returned home. You take it from there , sports fans. .... Not any info on London relatives that I've read either. ...

[@MalonsMilk]

Yes because I’m sure the parents made sure that all of the London cctv was deleted or inactive before they murdered him. All family members had alibis and were all home together before the search began. The family are not suspects.

[@kathymyers7279]

IRA? Ira Glass?

[@karinajurkiewicz3723]

Moim zdaniem poszedl na koncert, dlatego pobral gotowke.Pewnie zalozyl, ze bedzie wracal nastepnego dnia, dlatego nie bral powrotnego. Na koncercie cos poszlo nie tak, moze zostal okradziony.

[@petercleary1000]

I wonder if he was artistic.

[@bryanbradley6871]

The Dad attempted suicide says alot... He knows something

[@Vixyvix01]

That's not how it works. I attempted after my mum died simply because the pain was too much to bare.

[@reallyryan_]

No actually, did you even listen correctly?

[@susandyke7318]

Exactly

[@MalonsMilk]

The man was broken and had lost his son. It sounds like he had also lost his faith both important anchors in his life. Please have some empathy for this poor man and his family.

[@rachaelhogan7850]

Oh shut the hell up

[@maxalberts2003]

Autism spectrum--? Onset of adolescent schizophrenia? Drugs? Combination of any of these? This is so awful. Did he somehow encounter a predator? My guess? Lured into white slavery/kiddie porn/forced prostitution. Idiot cops. This poor family, I just weep for them, and for Andrew. But one thing that keeps rolling through my mind is why didn't he buy a round-trip ticket? Bizarre.

[@sixteenrecumbentbikes7946]

i think that the return ticket wasn't brought maybe because he was planning to stay with his family in London which would require a different train ticket to be brought however it is a bit odd that he wouldn't buy one just in case he couldn't for whatever reason stay over

[@RB-sm3eu]

The Dad - just one small point His jovial way of talking ! And saying he probably bought a single ticket as he was going to stay at his relative’s. Even if that were true, he’d still have to come back up on the train I’m not implying anything, I just think it’s odd

[@qassandraable]

How did Andrew feel about Harry Potter?

[@invisibleray6987]

I think it was an LGBTQ thing

[@reallyryan_]

Unlikely

[@DylanMccleary-v1p]

There has never been any online evidence to support the grooming theory that leads me to believe that Andrew's disappearance was either drug related or he was gay

[@ItsAv3rageGamer]

How come the father talks about his son in the past tense?

[@SleighJessi]

Sam Harrison Because it has been eleven years and he knows that the likelihood of his son being alive is slim to none.

[@32446]

Probably his way of coping with it all. The poor guy has been to hell and back, had tried to commit suicide and struggles on a daily basis.

[@dermotosullivan3065]

What are you insinuating?

[@angelakatsapas7894]

He said is or was my son. The man doesn't know, plain and simple, no need to insinuate.

[@qassandraable]

He started in the present tense then in the same breath changed it to the past tense. He laughs when he's asked about a possibility he's already checked out, And if the dad was involved, as you seen to himply, why did Andrew buy a train ticket? What? His father put him up to buying a train ticket as part of some plot?

[@pusscat5161]

I wonder if Andrew was going to London to audition for a metal band?

[@frostxtelepath4075]

This isn't impossible, there was bands going to be there that night (or later in the day) and a band that he also liked or fell under his profile would be there for like a signing in 2 or 3 days. I think it's possible he was intending to go to the thirty seconds to Mars concert (I'm almost certain of it, that's why he took out 200 (because he forgot the 100 in his room for the ticket) the other 100 would of been for food, lodging or a ticket to just have money right there instead of having to gather it later on when he needed it.

[@georgi7911]

the uncle

[@turtleneck4985]

Geo pe same thought

[@meggriffin94]

who is the uncle?

[@reallyryan_]

Lol no

[@brucey5232]

The dad it.

[@Vixyvix01]

Ruled out 14 years ago.

[@reallyryan_]

Imagining just throwing around wild accusations without any solid evidence.

[@rachaelhogan7850]

Shut the hell up sicko get your head out of the gutter just because your a werdio take your vile opinion and crawl back under your rock.

[@kiararichardson4287]

i don't want to be disrespectful but the father makes me uncomfortable && i don't trust him.

[@32446]

Kiara Richardson the poor guy has been to hell and back. This whole experience has destroyed him. It’s an awful thing to say.

[@reds1013]

Kiara Richardson the father was at work in Yorkshire and Andrew was on cctv in London ....... duh

[@dinosaurtreesflowers]

&& ...

[@RoyalArmyMedicalCorps]

I don’t trust him either I believe he knows quite a lot but isn’t saying and he doesn’t want anyone to find out the truth! He could have been abusing Andrew and hurt him badly but makes out he ran away... why is he always laughing it isn’t funny also why does he say that his son is dead.. how the fuck does he know that unless he killed him.. it doesn’t make any sense!! I don’t trust nor believe Kevin I’ve seen the stuff he writes on Facebook! If he didn’t kill him I strongly believe he got / paid someone to kill him!

[@dermotosullivan3065]

It is not important what makes you uncomfortable. It isn't about you.

[@frankiejacques]

you can hear the perpetual torment in kevins voice that poor family andrew for the love of god just reach out to your mom and dad if you are in a position whear u can peace be with you frankie 42 bedford uk

[@orleysmith4852]

Yes absolutely! Andrew, please let your parents know that you're ok

[@rachaelhogan7850]

HE,S NEVER GOING TO BE FOUND THERE COMES A POINT WHERE YOU HAVE TO ACCEPT AND SAY GOODBYE, HE,S GONE EITHER WAY HE,S NOT COMING BACK.

[@grayblow66]

My theory is That he did whatever he went to London to do . Was either offered a lift back home spur of the moment or previously arranged and unfortunately by a person or persons with Ill intent .

[@rachaelhogan7850]

He went of on a day trip to do something wagged school, probably decided to stay with family in London then he’s met someone in London and something Brad’s happened maybe he was kidnapped trafficked or murdered, he went to do his own thing didn’t get a return ticket because he was probably going to stay with a relative after but somewhere along the line he met someone was either taken by someone or he was lured somewhere and killed or abducted

[@rachaelhogan7850]

This kid was WERID LOOKING he’s probably gone of with someone living somewhere and decided to not go home