KZbin has made me realize what a damn good development ability we have in Sweden. Everything from heavy trucks, building military things and even heavy machinery. I am proud to be Swedish 😃
@coevicman36859 ай бұрын
WOW!!!! Will look into this for the company. We use smaller Finland machine called AVANT for construction + Farm + Tree surgery.
@AlexKall6 ай бұрын
Finland also has a similar one called Lännen.
@mike_holdread10 ай бұрын
Versatile machine. First I've heard of this manufacturer.
@hnorrstrom10 ай бұрын
They are extremely versatile but not a pro on everything. Extremely common all over here in Sweden.
@ericpersson372410 ай бұрын
Har alltid trott det är en hydema till jag såg priset 😅
@AlexKall10 ай бұрын
@@ericpersson3724 Ja, de är inte billiga 😵
@EnGammalAmazon7 күн бұрын
I'm from Oregon, and bought a farm in Sweden three years ago. I live about 30 miles from the factory where these are built. One of my best friends used to work for Huddig designing the hydraulics and controls for these machines. Everything they said here is absolutely true and more. I had a wind storm come through in October and the next evening I noticed that one of the secondary power poles on my property was leaning. I went down and found that there were six trees that had fallen over the lines. The power was still on and working. (This is because in Sweden almost all lines are poly coated and not bare. Also, most of the powerlines are all underground) I called the power provider and told them that they had a problem. They had been working on other issues and said they would have a crew out as soon as possible. The crew arrived at 10:00 p.m. (yes, you read that correctly, p.m.) and got started with the work. They had one truck with tools, saws, parts, and whatever else they needed.....and a Huddig with the man basket. Within an hour, they had everything off the lines and were done. I watched them for about 30 minutes and went to my house to make some coffee and get some cinnamon rolls for them. Before I was done with that, they had wrapped up and were coming up the hill from the river. I could not believe how fast they worked. One operator in the Huddig, one in the aerial bucket on the left rear corner of the machine, as seen in the video, and a ground man. They had the logs cut and piled for me and the brush was raked up and piled for me to get rid of. All of the work was done with the Huddig. You truly have to se one of these to understand just how amazing they are. There is no way to express how much one machine can do. The Huddig may have its limits, but, if the ground is solid, they can out perform any machine I've ever seen......and I'm a guy that has run just about every type of equipment out there over the last 50+ years and there is nothing that can match a Huddig. They are one of the most versatile machines on the planet. The Swedes are a very creative bunch. I'm was born a third generation Swedish American. I recently moved back to Sweden and it is the best thing I have ever done. This place works and it may be a genetic thing. I had my DNA done and I'm over 75% Nordic; mostly Swedish. It is no wonder that I feel so 'at home' here. Sweden rocks.....yes, the Swedes really know rock! And they like rock music too.
@larion329610 ай бұрын
Here in Sweden Huddigs are used by power companies, railroad maintenancence. Not really used for pure ground work, then excavators are better, and they also use ROTOtilt attachments. I have no direct expericence but Huddigs are more common here than other backhoes. JCBs are hardly seen here and Huddig has built backhoe loaders for almost as long time.
@erik....2 ай бұрын
They are good for quick digging jobs in town too.
@someoneelse762910 ай бұрын
There is basicly 2 machines I want, A Huddig and an Unimog, with that I can do anything I need
@UncleManuel10 ай бұрын
Intereresting! This is almost as complex as the Menzi Muck (spider excevator). A ton of functions - but oh my god with a good operator these machines almost look like magic! 😎🤘
@threeriversforge199710 ай бұрын
I want one! I can't afford one, but that's one of those designs that you just really want to have! Honestly, I'd be interested in something a little smaller, but with the versatility. For forestry mulching, land clearing, and arborist work, I could see it being very handy.
@emlkl17799 ай бұрын
Just wait for the chinese to hack the design computer and start copying it.
@G5Ckxew10 ай бұрын
Huddig? I Dig!
@SiboBushings9 ай бұрын
Wonderful and versatile machine
@patrickmccallum595510 ай бұрын
This is a really unique piece of equipment I wonder how they hold up over time
@uppsalahazzemarkstedt275910 ай бұрын
I don't know! My 1982 Huddig 760 with joysticks and rototilt has no problems yet with 18k engine hours. It has even tipped over sideways down a slope slide one time. Some new windows, mirror, roof lights and a hydraulic hose later it was up and running again. And the windows fitted without tweeking. And my bump on the head took just a couple of days more. 😅 And I'm not changing to a newer one if this still work, because I can heat up my lunchbox on the engine header instead for built in oven! Haha!
@Dirt_mountain-earthworks10 ай бұрын
Thats a cool machine... never heard of it before
@penttiensiomartikainen712110 ай бұрын
check also lännen backhoe loaders from Finland.....i like both swedish huddig and finnish lännen-these two are best in the world
@anthony0157110 ай бұрын
OUTSTANDING Presentation, Explanation & Demonstration : o .....
@reloadnorth772210 ай бұрын
This machine reminds me of the Zettelmeyer that we had in the Canadian military when I was in 40 years ago. Obviously this unit is more modern and refined.
@jackofall230510 ай бұрын
Ive been seeing these on youtube for years, would love one, just not affordable where im at
@diggerfromhell779410 ай бұрын
Just drop us a line and we will show you how truly versatile the machine is. Ps my Gf is one of the operators in your film :)
@svenerikhansen10 ай бұрын
I have something based on same concept a finnish made Lannen C110, can be used to anything but a heavy piece of equipment. It is made in 1986 so everytime i use it i crack a hydraulic hose😂
@smurface54910 ай бұрын
The Lännen machines are pretty good. I have a Valtra 815-M4, which is sharing quite many parts with some of the Lännen machines. It's rather build like a tractor though, so not articulating. Anyways, those machines are having a somewhat similar concept, they're definitely more than a backhoe attachment to an ordinary tractor. Very capable, but they do have their limitations. But the Huddig (or new Lännen machines, like the 8600 or so, are still a very different animal. Just the fact that they're rather new, have all electronic controls, are customizable in every aspect etc. make them very different. I mean, if I want to drive facing backwards (I can do it, I don't need to put the outriggers down unless I fully extend the boom), I have to twist my neck and uppper body to reach the steering wheel. The Huddig has a little turning ring on one of the joysticks to articulate the machine while driving backwards. That's a huge difference if you need mobility while using the back end. Such small details put the new machines just on a different planet.
@leslubiesdetienne10 ай бұрын
I lovee companies like Huddig and Mecalac thinking outside the box
@Lakeside-Motors9 ай бұрын
Built in my hometown!
@kincetown10 ай бұрын
🎉 Wow this equipment is awesome🎉
@markfryer988010 ай бұрын
I would expect that it would be pricey but on the other hand how much is a machine that is sitting around waiting to be used really costing you?
@AlexKall10 ай бұрын
@@markfryer9880 Yes, it comes with a jaw dropping price tag.
@prrcpor10 ай бұрын
We used to have something similar. The FIATALLIS FT110. It was okay. Switch from Crab to articulate or conventional front steer at the flip of a switch . Pilot controls on the seat. As long as it's fast and strong. No one likes lumbering and slow. I personally like the new holland lb95clr. It's fast light strong.
@flo__6010 ай бұрын
it's nice to see the our nifty European machine sein recognition in the us, there is much more competition he and the really push the manufacturer to move on constantly!!
@gillbujold191810 ай бұрын
Saw these machines in Finland back in 2005. I was sold instantly and wish I could get one and just be a for hire owner operator. It’s crazy looking at used machines with 16-18,000 hrs and still running tight.
@konemieskou10 ай бұрын
Lännen makes similar style backhoe loaders in Finland.
@tractors-plant-machinery9 ай бұрын
Definitely a machine on my "post lottery win shopping list"
@tarmokortelainen457210 ай бұрын
At the earlier moments, company was near bankruft, but workers and some else decised to save this company, they got it quite flourising.
@charleshodgson80710 ай бұрын
Seem to recall Ruston Bucyrus had a prototype very similar back in the 1970s. in the 🇬🇧 don't know what happened to ,but actually saw it first hand in the Quarry I worked at in North Yorkshire.
@rp164510 ай бұрын
I own a 1978 Dynahoe-190 BE made a 200 that had a front steer wheel. My 190 can dig down 19 feet no extension hoe. In the early 1980s before BE got rid of all there Construction line. They made a fully rotating house excavator on large tires. You did not need a stabilizer. That was at the end of the BE run. Then they just focus on big mining. I love my Dynahoe, got her in 2003 with 8000 hours on her. Other than Hydraulic seals and a rear Brake overhaul in 2003. Have had to do nothing to the old Detroit Diesel (353) have put 100s of hours on her on my property. She is just my big boy TOY. It does everything My wife lifts me in the front bucket and with my pole saw can limb trees. In my Humble opinion the Dynahoe that BE made in the 1970s was the earliest version of this new very special new breed of Backhoe Loader 😊
@rp164510 ай бұрын
I just want to add. The 200 could turn both front and rear tires ( crab walk)
@mattpearson990510 ай бұрын
Awesome Machine. Like a Swedish Army Knife.... :)
@MOSSFEEN10 ай бұрын
OMG Swiss Army Knife totally different country
@mattpearson990510 ай бұрын
@@MOSSFEEN well it was a joke!
@carlosizz8910 ай бұрын
What's the height clearance for travel looks like the boom sits tall. Great option to have we'll see if it catches on
@Ollonglans10 ай бұрын
14' 8"
@KPVFarmer9 ай бұрын
This machine seems awesome!!! Too good to be true?
@catd11ng749 ай бұрын
It is true!
@AlexKall6 ай бұрын
They do come with a hefty price tag though.
@catd11ng746 ай бұрын
@@AlexKall Yes they are expensive. But all you need is one machine and one operator instead of 2-3 machines and more operators. This is like a swiss knife. It can do almost everything.
@fav658710 ай бұрын
What is the price range
@hnorrstrom10 ай бұрын
A 1370 is about half a million $ or € here in Sweden.. Even old Huddig units from the 80-90's in ok shape can be 50k.
@logger122310 ай бұрын
Close to the range "if you have to ask you won't afford it"...
@briananderson675810 ай бұрын
How much? Do they make a smaller version for homeowners?
@Rimrock30010 ай бұрын
400K+ . Just one size. This is for railroad-owners) Would look for asian small tracktor with a hoe
@AlexKall10 ай бұрын
They used to make a smaller version, but they stopped making them.
@Backhoebb10 ай бұрын
We have two, they have been game changers. producing Six figure revenues with one operator.
@Farming-Technology10 ай бұрын
Two machines? That is one highly skilled operator 🤠
@bekabeka7110 ай бұрын
@@Farming-Technologythat’s a lot of money 🤌🏼
@mikeutubename7 ай бұрын
What industry/services?
@kall025410 ай бұрын
We in Sweden are many year ahed (tink 30 years) US/UK i in work with execvator, in rotortilt/tiltrotator we have get this opions for alredy 30 years ago.
@Rimrock30010 ай бұрын
Maybe 10 years in reality. Buhey, since we are in Fairtale land, everything is possible. Let's just say 60 years ahead, while we are at it, and we an go to sleep happy
@mrolsen698710 ай бұрын
@@Rimrock300 sooo... Did you have rototilt on your excavators 20yrs ago? No? Hardly not even today? Ok... They have been used in Sweden since 1986....
@wompwomp96 ай бұрын
Wow... I want my county to buy me one to operate for them.
@portnuefflyer9 ай бұрын
A pilot and carne op here, my tongue is on the keyboard, I WANT! The operator: 9:56
@ramcharger15410 ай бұрын
Huddig! Huddig! HODOR! HODOR!!😂❤
@ccclc615910 ай бұрын
most videos with a huddig shut off the comments, can;t blame them
@Darkness-ng6jh10 ай бұрын
Please tell me more!
@smallbrane6721Ай бұрын
11:14 guy falling
@Charlie-go6eb10 ай бұрын
What’s the price range on these? Nice piece of equipment. The versatility can be very cool but so many times the cost side gets out of hand to where multiple pieces of equipment are a better choice.
@rkan29 ай бұрын
Like 300-400k at least.
@Daniel-n5v5s10 ай бұрын
That's a bad Mama Jama!
@dappy8489 ай бұрын
It can't have the capacity of a 13t digger as it has no stability. Looks a great one stop civil's contracting mc.
@gowithbazza10 ай бұрын
Looks a hell of a lot like the British JCB
@Stigsens110 ай бұрын
The JCB is 30% of these, but looks are similar. These are build SO much stronger, from a to z.
@uppsalahazzemarkstedt275910 ай бұрын
The only machine looking lika a Huddig are the Finnish made Lännen. "Same same - but different brand" You choose a Lännen if you can't find an Huddig! ❤
@MyGFIsMaria10 ай бұрын
@@uppsalahazzemarkstedt2759you forgot Hydrema. The 926 is also of the same type.
@johanneslaxell66413 ай бұрын
My feeling is that the JCB is more for farm/construction but the Huddig/Lännen/Hydrema is more capable to go off road? With suitable tyres on you can go surprisingly deep into the wild with the Huddig/Lännen (I have no experience regarding the Hydrema 🫣), that is one of the things they are designed for. And Huddig has the Tigon hybrid-system if you have to be quiet when you dig the hole for the wifes new fruit tree 👍🏼🫡😅...
@hu5tle-10 ай бұрын
yeah, customization at a cost. Make a smaller version 100k or less for buidlers, not main commercial companies. 200K+ is out of reach.
@elemerdemeny737310 ай бұрын
I have tryed Komatsu something similar and Volvo also made something similar. Tippical Scandinavian style one man goes out to work whit good tool and does it, do not need 5 men to stand around 😂 offcourse you will pay the premium for it.
@Look_What_I_Did9 ай бұрын
Awww... look at that. He has the flat bill, the scruffy face, the required Carhartt hoodie.
@oldreliable30310 ай бұрын
So its a dynahoe 200-4 with many more buttons to get busted.
@olepedersen279510 ай бұрын
Very similar to the Danish made Hydrema.
@Stigsens110 ай бұрын
Just the Hudig is stronger and more versitile.
@olepedersen279510 ай бұрын
@@Stigsens1 could be be. Only been around the Hydrema a bit.
@culmalachie10 ай бұрын
Greetings from SCotland! - I'm surprised you haven't been aware of these machines for more than a decade now already. Problem here is that we can use them: But no one wants to PAY for using its services: " All I want is a ten ton , or 20ton Excavator" is what you get. Cheap is cheerful. Isn't the UK Cheerful ! Huh and you guys have your Cheerleaders. Anyway it's all a case of Education and Brown envelopes to ge the machines out on site.
@michaelchamberlain461810 ай бұрын
I'd like to see one in NNY
@paulnotdownunder317210 ай бұрын
Great farm tractor too
@oldstudbuck358310 ай бұрын
These two certainly have a love affair with that machine. Does it come with microwave and mini fridge?
@mrolsen698710 ай бұрын
If you want it, Yes it does.
@jeffsnider358810 ай бұрын
Reminds me of a Dynahoe.....a good design.
@prrcpor10 ай бұрын
I'd really like to demo one for sure.
@SilverStarHeggisist9 ай бұрын
I bet the pricetag is eye watering
@rkan29 ай бұрын
400k?
@ScottyMD4 ай бұрын
I’m a landscaper, I would like to buy one please
@dragancrnogorac38519 ай бұрын
I have tried mclac... It was like stupendously slow digging excavator with more auto crane/forklift capabilities. It's a strange machine with strange capabilities but highly compromised normal capabilities. If you digging ditch and pushing dirt around just buy whatever backhoe is available in area. They all cost 70-110 k and they are all same shit quality
@catd11ng749 ай бұрын
What have a mecalac got to do with it.
@AlexKall10 ай бұрын
Is the website blocked to anyone outside USA? As soon as I went on there it said I was blocked 🙆♂🤷♂
@EquipmentWorld10 ай бұрын
Yes, unfortunately, our website does not meet GDPR compliance regulations. You may still be able to access our content via RSS feed
@rowdy93792 ай бұрын
Like a Valtra.
@emilhjmark596210 ай бұрын
I have to say it @EquipmentWorld it alot like a hydrema backhoe
@ToyotatechDK10 ай бұрын
Made just like Hydrema
@johnsummers1729 ай бұрын
I remember when Gradealls came out. Looks like the same game changer only better
@mcsenn10 ай бұрын
Have a look at Hydrema's Backhoe too 8)
@dunderzubbi56639 ай бұрын
hu-DDig not "hoo-dig"
@bradsunday10 ай бұрын
You don’t run a machine. You operate a machine.
@petter572110 ай бұрын
A Swedish workhorse 🇸🇪👍🏻
@c_tech228510 ай бұрын
so they put an excavator boom and a pto on a wheel loader
@catd11ng7410 ай бұрын
Are you sure it's not the opposit
@robbanjohansson907819 күн бұрын
Where i live theres Huddigs ewerywere. I got an 960 from 1988. Sorry to say it but my 960 is modern in Usa. In sweden its OLD!! Change buckets in secunds 1988 in sweden
@karlo288210 ай бұрын
Unimog on steroids? Don't hate on me I'm not hating on the machine it's amazing! just asking here.
@AlexKall10 ай бұрын
Isn't Unimog a truck? Huddig is more of a wheel loader and an excavator having a baby :)
@karlo288210 ай бұрын
@@AlexKallnot too sure but as far as I know unimog hasalot of different attachment options...it's more of a tractor/truck mash i guess..
@anotherbloodytruckie45510 ай бұрын
JCB anyone?
@AlexKallАй бұрын
I wasn't too fond of the JCB I tried.
@greenmirror555510 ай бұрын
when a company makes a product wanted instead of a taxation grabbing govt funded plan.
@paulwatson601310 ай бұрын
Looks good, but waaaay more complicated than my toy. Parts n trying to fault find something like this would probably keep me awake at nite.
@subarutime50899 ай бұрын
I built adobe houses when I get bigger I'll get one of theses words have been marked 😅
@leeburwood307310 ай бұрын
So it’s a jcb 5cx which has been out for over 30 years. Wow that’s ground breaking 🤣🤣🤣
@satricon10 ай бұрын
If you cant tell the difference, you probably shouldnt comment.
@leeburwood307310 ай бұрын
Please tell me the difference because I’m curious. the 5cx can do most of what that can do. Tbh never seen a hihab crane attached to a digger before. The 5cx can lift nearly 7 tons so not impossible and has plenty of attachments. it can drive while you operate the back arm. The only difference I can see is it don’t articulate and loses to it in weight being 12.5 ton
@chucknorris27710 ай бұрын
@@leeburwood3073 I'm curious how heavy this thing is... need a lowboy for sure
@MyGFIsMaria10 ай бұрын
@@leeburwood3073the JCB falls short in many areas. 165 l/m vs 350 l/m hudraulic pump capacity, bucket tearout 61 kN vs 103 kN. The JCB is not up to the jobs normally done by a Huddig here i Sweden, noone in their right mind would ever buy a Huddig if it could be done effectively with a cheap JCB.
@leeburwood307310 ай бұрын
@@MyGFIsMaria didn’t say it was any good 🤣🤣🤣 jcb have gone down the pan the last few years
@susie370210 ай бұрын
It's a rip off of a JCB multi use machine this is the machine everyone in the UK expects to see on any mid size building site.
@Darkness-ng6jh10 ай бұрын
It is a Swedish machine. and it has been on the market for a long time. Look at Huddig's history.
@Pesmog10 ай бұрын
Yes, it seems to be a similar concept to a couple of the JCB models, except it articulates and is a little heavier. What it doesn't have and the JCB's do have is side shift on the back hoe which is so much better to use than a fixed hoe, particularly if you want to drive on the road.
@Stigsens110 ай бұрын
The Hudig is far from a JCB, yes it have 4 wheels and a steering wheel like a JCB, rest is different
@CrusaderSports25010 ай бұрын
@@Pesmog driving on the road is not a problem for them as they are designed for that, and the backhoe tucks well in, as the man states it's not until you stand beside one that you appreciate just how big they are, they are a backhoe loader but on a whole other level to a JCB, that no criticism of a JCB, just a statement of fact.
@joshgreen216410 ай бұрын
PTO? If not itll never make it here.
@Darkness-ng6jh10 ай бұрын
PTO ?
@jondor65410 ай бұрын
Nice one , a PTO is always welcome .
@rcx76010 ай бұрын
What do you need a PTO for that hydrolics can´t do?
@mrolsen698710 ай бұрын
@@rcx760 they are living in the -60s...-
@johanneslaxell66413 ай бұрын
What on earth are you going to do with a PTO on a Huddig/Lännen/Hydrema or similar? The backhoe is not detachable...
@EvacuatorPro9 ай бұрын
And it's expensive as hell. As ponsse.
@ChristianHungary9 ай бұрын
😉👍👍👍
@henrycarlson751410 ай бұрын
Looks to me like a Bidrive on Steroids. So interesting
@bekabeka7110 ай бұрын
Imagine something breaks on this machine! Oops 😬
@johnpersson52967 ай бұрын
it doesnt is the quick answer
@danielemanuelsson42337 күн бұрын
Huddig is a real machine other American machines are junk. Best when you can control it wirelessly.
@athabascastonetile19510 ай бұрын
It's. Not. A. Mecalac. That's what it's not
@janeriksson614710 ай бұрын
Copy of lännen machine from scandinavia lännen and before it was james datet back 1960's
@anthonynicholas116510 ай бұрын
Yea, it's a backhoe with an articulated extending boom, not so hard to explain is it.
@AlexKall10 ай бұрын
Extending boom?
@michaelwordofa20 күн бұрын
plz make this electric with 200kwh battery pack and no hydraulics, onlr electric motor controlled
@georgeniebergall707410 ай бұрын
Copy of the machine called Metalak
@AlexKall10 ай бұрын
Do you mean Mecalac? If so, no.
@georgeniebergall707410 ай бұрын
@@AlexKall yes, I did mean what you wrote and I wonder what that machine cost the Hodad listen I talked to the phone and it doesn’t always know how to type words
@AlexKall10 ай бұрын
@@georgeniebergall7074 Yeah, phones can be wonky sometimes. I have never bought a Huddig, only ran one for a short while as an operator but the prices I've seen are around 300-500k USD for a new machine.
@CrawfordMethod10 ай бұрын
“Strategic accounts manager” but can’t pronounce “excavator”…. 🤨 There is no “S” in EXcavator!,
@francismoon320110 ай бұрын
It's a JCB, these have been built in Britain for ages, this is another case of America copying a British invention
@andrinbodmer903710 ай бұрын
Its a Huudig Swedish Company doing it for a long time.
@killstrees10 ай бұрын
Not even close
@smurface54910 ай бұрын
Others already told you that you're just completely wrong since Huddig is a Swedish company. But it's also wrong in the sense that you're comparing a mediocre toaster (JCB) to a full blown kitchen oven with hot air circulation, grill, meat thermometer, timer, programs for different foods, a special pizza setting and a self-cleaning program (Huddig). You can make some sort of food with either, but one is still in a different league.
@bert26a10 ай бұрын
Its vastly superior to a JCB POS. And nobody copied the JCB why would they want to? Lol
@CrusaderSports25010 ай бұрын
@@bert26ayour statement is rather unfair, a JCB is a very competent machine but they are not made to the same size and adaptability as the Huddig, both do a job and both have their place based on requirements and cost. As JCB invented the backhoe loader concept back yon when, then everybody has copied it to a lesser or greater extent, everyone copied the first person to throw a stone, if you have a good idea that is how it is.
@bulldawg62596 күн бұрын
63 year old American excavator operator here. That’s a toy
@dennislaws518710 ай бұрын
Looks wonderful but as a former retired tractor mechanic I see a VERY EXPENSIVE COMPUTER CONTROLLED PIECE TO REPAIR, VERY EXPENSIVE AND NOT A LONG LASTING MACHINE, OIL LEAKS, AND COMPUTERS AND WIRING HARNESSES DONT MIX
@TheGaggenau10 ай бұрын
Well these machines been around in Sweden for more than 40 years. They last.
@chucknorris27710 ай бұрын
All those electronics... add time and weather.... it's all going to fail eventually.... elec of hydraulic is horrible unless u replace machine every 10 years
@dennislaws518710 ай бұрын
@@TheGaggenau I have no doubt it will operate for 40 years, if you have the money to fix all that fails along the way, I have seen American made eqt still working after 80 plus years with far less repairs and money spent than those machines will require.
@donkii8510 ай бұрын
Its not American made so no worries regarding the longlivety of the machine. You know, the way the Swedes put together things and the material they use is way way higher quality compared to what your used to.
@killstrees10 ай бұрын
@@donkii85 that's true. Only downside is when they get that old, parts can be hard to find. Timberjack made awesome equipment, but some of those modules in the older forwarders and harvesters aren't made anymore and we had to go thru the local Ponsse dealer to find part numbers since Ponsee owns the module manufacturer that made the modules in some of the old timberjacks. Ponsse parts guys had a rough time but they were helpful nonetheless.